Less The Half Believed Obama's SOTU Speech

[TexanBob]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/january_2010/deficit_of_trust_most_voters_don_t_believe_preside nt_s_assertions_about_economy

Rassmussen polling reports most people didn't buy what Obama was selling Wednesday night. Among the particulars:

The president in the speech declared that his administration has cut taxes for 95% of Americans. He even chided Republicans for not applauding on that point. However, just 21% of voters nationwide believe that taxes have been cut for 95% of Americans. Most (53%) say it has not happened, and 26% are not sure. Other polling shows that nearly half the nation’s voters expect their own taxes to go up during the Obama years.

The president also asserted that “after two years of recession, the economy is growing again.” Just 35% of voters believe that statement is true, while 50% say it is false.

Obama claimed that steps taken by his team are responsible for putting two million people to work “who would otherwise be unemployed.” Just 27% of voters say that statement is true. Fifty-one percent (51%) say it's false.

But the lack of trust crosses party lines:

Seventy-five percent (75%) of Republican voters say their party’s representatives are out of touch with the party’s base. Other data shows that, among all voters, 45% believe people randomly selected from the phone book would do a better job than the current Congress. Only 36% disagree. Overall, only 12% say that Congress is doing a good or an excellent job.

On all the points raised in the president’s speech, there is a huge partisan divide. On the question of cutting taxes for 95% of Americans, hardly any Republicans or unaffiliated voters believe it's true. However, Democrats are evenly divided: 34% say the tax cuts have been delivered, 29% say they haven’t, and 38% are not sure.

Sixty-three percent (63%) of Democrats agree with the president’s statement that the economy is growing again. Seventy percent (70%) of Republicans and 60% of unaffiliated voters disagree.

As for the claim about two million jobs, 46% of Democrats say it’s true, while 77% of Republicans say it’s not. As for those not affiliated with either major party, 24% say it’s true, and 59% say it’s false.

Regarding another initiative detailed in the speech on Wednesday night, just nine percent (9%) of voters believe the president’s proposed freeze on discretionary spending will have a big impact on the deficit.

So, IOW, if you're not a Democrat, you're not buying the BS sandwich Obama cooked up the other night. But if you're a Republican, you're not too thrilled with your own party either. And if you're Independent, it's open season on practically everyone in Washington. They've all failed us.

[cutthemdown]

These polling results are really bad for Obama. We all said Americans will buy a good speech, a witty delivery, but eventually want to see some action. Obama may have been so naive coming into this job he simply made too many promises he couldn't keep.

[Fedaykin]

The more interesting question is: are his statements correct or false?

EDIT:

And, at least on the "economy is growing again" the statement looks to be correct:

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/2010/txt/gdp4q09_adv.txt

[cutthemdown]

Where is it growing though. Unless its in areas where people get jobs they won't care. Sure all the banks boasting record profits after we bailed them out.

Real Estate though is maybe poised for another dip. Especially in California. There could still be some more problems there.

But the growth is good. It just needs to somehow turn into jobs and unless banks loan to small business it won't happen. So really until banks decide to do that I don't think economy will get that next 1-2% growth it needs to make jobs for the avg joe.

Right now they are just riding the profits of getting all there toxic debt paid for by AIG and a big taxpayer bailout.

[barryr]

As we have seen with global warming, numbers can be made to show whatever it is you want. To believe the economy is growing while unemployment stays high and people keep losing their jobs and homes defies common sense.

[rastaman]

These polling results are really bad for Obama. We all said Americans will buy a good speech, a witty delivery, but eventually want to see some action. Obama may have been so naive coming into this job he simply made too many promises he couldn't keep.

Obama will show action by using Reconciliation, veto pen, and executive order (RVEO). I doubt the Rasmusen has formed their questions in this manner, but it really doesn't matter at this stage. Obama and his Administration already know they have no other choice but to strategically use RVEO and let the chips fall where they may.

[rastaman]

As we have seen with global warming, numbers can be made to show whatever it is you want. To believe the economy is growing while unemployment stays high and people keep losing their jobs and homes defies common sense.

Same goes for believing that the Reagan Tax cuts allow corporations to create more jobs and reinvest in America!....this also defies logic!

Why not repeal the Reagan Tax cuts and give the money and tax incentives to small businesses to create 10's of millions of jobs.

Watch how that would ignite and grow the economy.

[Bronx33]

The more interesting question is: are his statements correct or false?

EDIT:

And, at least on the "economy is growing again" the statement looks to be correct:

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/2010/txt/gdp4q09_adv.txt


( in the real world) last week i had to take a 10% payroll cut or be laid off because of the poor economy.

[orinjkrush]

( in the real world) last week i had to take a 10% payroll cut or be laid off because of the poor economy.

IMHO, that's the real crux of many of our problems. there's reality. then there's the stories we're being fed by the elites. by the MSM. by you name it.

[rastaman]

( in the real world) last week i had to take a 10% payroll cut or be laid off because of the poor economy.

Republicans have always failed to take care of the economy! So what else is new? The economy didn't just emplode over one year......it took 8 years of bad economic policies by the last administration that has caused you to take a 10% payroll cut. How are those Reagan Tax cuts working out for ya...right about now?

[barryr]

The economy is improving so says Obama and the democrats. Oh, by the way, regulators just shut down banks in 5 states, taking the number to 15 bank closures already in 2010. But the economy is improving anyway, keep the belief despite what's happening.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100130/D9DHQO980.html

[barryr]

Republicans have always failed to take care of the economy! So what else is new? The economy didn't just emplode over one year......it took 8 years of bad economic policies by the last administration that has caused you to take a 10% payroll cut. How are those Reagan Tax cuts working out for ya...right about now?

Which most of the democrats in Congress went along with, yet if it's Bush's fault, then it has to be their fault too.

[enjolras]

( in the real world) last week i had to take a 10% payroll cut or be laid off because of the poor economy.

Therefore the economic data must be fabricated right?

In the real world, my business grew at a little over 150% last quarter. We deal primarily with small businesses (contractors, franchisees, etc..). They apparently have some money to spend.

Neither one of our pieces of data prove anything, but the economic numbers do. The fact is, the economy IS growing. Hopefully that will mean brighter days for you going forward.

[enjolras]

The economy is improving so says Obama and the democrats. Oh, by the way, regulators just shut down banks in 5 states, taking the number to 15 bank closures already in 2010. But the economy is improving anyway, keep the belief despite what's happening.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100130/D9DHQO980.html

You understand why you have absolutely no idea what your talking about right?

[rastaman]

Which most of the democrats in Congress went along with, yet if it's Bush's fault, then it has to be their fault too.

Nope! Go back and check how many times Bush used Reconcilitory to pass his agenda and budgetory legislation. Bush just simple went with 51 votes in Congress which was the Rubber Stamp Republican Congress with VP Dick Cheney supplying the 51st vote. Could it be why workers like Bronx33 now finds himself taking a 10% cut in pay b/c the GW Bush and the GOP Congress failed to take care of the U.S. economy?

[Bronx33]

Republicans have always failed to take care of the economy! So what else is new? The economy didn't just emplode over one year......it took 8 years of bad economic policies by the last administration that has caused you to take a 10% payroll cut. How are those Reagan Tax cuts working out for ya...right about now?


And this changes what? i really don't care who's fault it is dumbass all i know is the goverment is saying the economy is turning around ( and it isn't) and colorado has done pretty well through the recession but it's slowly getting worse and i'am connected to the building market.

Can you move the **** on and begin to let obama accept some responsibility for whats going on ( right the **** now) he's saying it's getting better and it isn't whats the damn point of saying it is? iam guessing to keep fools like you happy.

[cutthemdown]

Obama will show action by using Reconciliation, veto pen, and executive order (RVEO). I doubt the Rasmusen has formed their questions in this manner, but it really doesn't matter at this stage. Obama and his Administration already know they have no other choice but to strategically use RVEO and let the chips fall where they may.

Doesn't look like he has enough dem support to push it through with reconciliation. How do you talk dems into going along with it when it probably means they lose election? It takes a few yrs for the legislation to kick in, but not the taxes, I doubt that will make them fare well at the voting booth.

Does Obama have the swagger to tell them I will get you re-elected? When he can't even help Coakley?

[Spider]

Therefore the economic data must be fabricated right?

In the real world, my business grew at a little over 150% last quarter. We deal primarily with small businesses (contractors, franchisees, etc..). They apparently have some money to spend.

Neither one of our pieces of data prove anything, but the economic numbers do. The fact is, the economy IS growing. Hopefully that will mean brighter days for you going forward.

you and me both , i have been busy , even got a raise , I now make a 1.10 a mile as a company driver ........... hell I have to unload tomorrow , load right back up i nGrand Junction headin to Merced Cali........

[Fedaykin]

( in the real world) last week i had to take a 10% payroll cut or be laid off because of the poor economy.


Yes, because your PARTICULAR situation is indicative of the trend of the entire economy...

*facepalm*

In other news, I just got a 15% raise and I'm trying to hire 3 new people for my group. that must mean the economy is doing stellar, right?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The more interesting question is: are his statements correct or false?

EDIT:

And, at least on the "economy is growing again" the statement looks to be correct:

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/2010/txt/gdp4q09_adv.txt

Just posted a link to an AP article that showed the economy was growing at the fastest pace since 2003. So, one year in and Obama is already doing better than the court-appointed pinhead (in spite of the economic crisis he inherited from Oil Boy.)

Moral?

Even a really mediocre president is still better than Bush.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You understand why you have absolutely no idea what your talking about right?

Of course he doesn't.

You'll have to wait until he gets his updated talking points from Oxy Boy and Glenn Beck. :D

[cutthemdown]

Of course economy will grow, it shrank so far it can only really go up. Obama will get a better economy but maybe not in time to help in the midterm elections. I think by next election though economy could be doing really well. It's safe to assume that other countries will start re-investing right about now in America. Just how it is we are the largest economy. We are spending more then we make but still larger then everyone else.

The President has less to do with the economy then people think. Clinton got the .com boom, then hit a recession, Bush inherited it, things got better, things got pretty good, things crapped out, Obama inherited a crappy economy, things will get better regardless of his healthcare, regardless of a few % points of tax, or even spending a ton of money. All it means is that at some point in his last 4 yrs he guts the military to make up for it all.

Anyone who thinks economy will stay bad for another 2-3 yrs is kidding themselves. It shrank so far that it will grow.

There could be some more problems in housing that could be a problem but I see economy picking up over next couple yrs. Chances are it will be fine when Obama up for round 2 and he can take credit for it.

[barryr]

You understand why you have absolutely no idea what your talking about right?

So banks didn't just get shut down in a "improving economy?" Yes or no. Typical response from a liberal boob, don't like the news, so dismiss it and pretend it didn't happen.

[barryr]

Of course he doesn't.

You'll have to wait until he gets his updated talking points from Oxy Boy and Glenn Beck. :D

Um yeah, coming from someone who gets talking points from nutjobs on MSNBC and that political science degree holder genius Jon Stewart on a comedy channel.

[barryr]

Of course, the numbers during Christmas typically go up every year, so to get a true picture, January and February will be to get a true picture, if really interested in that and not selling the economy is improving despite what other indicators are saying, such as unemployment and more bank closures, mainly from high risk loans they made to people who could never pay them back,(the housing fiasco) or have lawsuits galore from minority groups, which was at the orders from Dodd and Frank. But I know libbies, that didn't really happen either.

[rastaman]

Doesn't look like he has enough dem support to push it through with reconciliation. How do you talk dems into going along with it when it probably means they lose election? It takes a few yrs for the legislation to kick in, but not the taxes, I doubt that will make them fare well at the voting booth.

Does Obama have the swagger to tell them I will get you re-elected? When he can't even help Coakley?

Dems will have to be brave enough to put their political careers in jeopardy and do what is in the best interest of the country. When voters see that reconciliation worked, the Dems will get re-elected and the Republicans will loose seats b/c they were seen as obstructionist. Obama needs just 50 votes for reconciliation with VP Biden supplying the 51st vote to break a tie.

Remember Bush never had a 60 seat majority and he got the vast majority of his agenda and legislation passed in 8 years.

Lastly, its just not reconciliation Obama has as a tool to move his agenda forward, like Bush, Obama also has the veto pen and executive order.

Its time for Obama to call the bluffs of the conservative Dems, the GOP, and the fence straddling independent voters and start strategically using reconciliation, his veto pen, and executive orders to move the country forward.

[rastaman]

And this changes what? i really don't care who's fault it is dumbass all i know is the goverment is saying the economy is turning around ( and it isn't) and colorado has done pretty well through the recession but it's slowly getting worse and i'am connected to the building market.

Can you move the **** on and begin to let obama accept some responsibility for whats going on ( right the **** now) he's saying it's getting better and it isn't whats the damn point of saying it is? iam guessing to keep fools like you happy.

Well the country can't dig itself out of its recession and losing jobs if the Obstructionist in the GOP Congress have decided to stop Obama's plans at every turn. It could be that eventually should the GOP congress continues to be the party of NO and obstruct for political career longterm goals....you just might find yourself in the un-employment line.

Remember the President doesn't pass laws and legislation for the betterment of the American people.....its the CONGRESS. Right now the GOP congress is refusing to play ball and they have securec jobs.....but you don't!

[TexanBob]

Remember the President doesn't pass laws and legislation for the betterment of the American people.....its the CONGRESS.

Wow! You've actually said something I agree with! So you must agree with me that our economy has gone to hell in a handbasket, not since Bush became president but since Democrats took back Congress in 2007! Our unemployment was 5% in 2006 and the economy was humming along nicely.

Right now the GOP congress is refusing to play ball and they have securec jobs.....but you don't!

Once the Democrats stop insisting on massive tax increases, federal mandates, nutso environmental legislation built on the fraudulent global warming hoax, debts in the trillions and Stalinesque intrusions into our personal lives, maybe the Republicans will find some common ground. As it is, they have nothing to gain by helping to pass a communist ideology into law.

They should do more than refuse to play ball. They should be openly calling out the Dems for wanting to crash the economy and turn us into a communist dictatorship.

[mhgaffney]

The reason, as economist Michael Hudson writes, is because Obama had just strong armed his own Democrats to re-up Bernanke, the week before!

Check out Hudson's devastating analysis. According to Hudson, AIG regulator gave testimony that flatly contradicts Tim Geithner. Did anyone notice?

MHG

February 1, 2010

Democrats Say "Bye" to Populist Option

Obama's Junk Economics

By MICHAEL HUDSON


http://www.counterpunch.org/

[rastaman]

Wow! You've actually said something I agree with! So you must agree with me that our economy has gone to hell in a handbasket, not since Bush became president but since Democrats took back Congress in 2007! Our unemployment was 5% in 2006 and the economy was humming along nicely.

The Bush Bubble Economy was on life support in 2006 and was being held together with republican spit and chewing gum! The Bush Housing market was already showing signs of crumbling like a worn out dam. And the Bush Wall Street and Bankers were cooking the books to head off financial Armageddon during 2006!

So yeah sure disingenuous Tex-Ass Bob keep posting your ostrich syndrome lies and propaganda.

Once the Democrats stop insisting on massive tax increases, federal mandates, nutso environmental legislation built on the fraudulent global warming hoax, debts in the trillions and Stalinesque intrusions into our personal lives, maybe the Republicans will find some common ground. As it is, they have nothing to gain by helping to pass a communist ideology into law.

Like it or not cry baby taxes are going back up to where they were during the Clinton Administration. You know the period where 23 million jobs were created! Speaking of debts in the trillions you need to look no further than the last 3 Republican Presidencies. We have witnessed Facsionesque Republican Corporate and Judicial intrustion during 8 years of GW Bush. Republicans need to step out of the way and allow Democrats to build an economy that works for everyone and not just the Corporations and the wealthiest 2% of Americans.

They should do more than refuse to play ball. They should be openly calling out the Dems for wanting to crash the economy and turn us into a communist dictatorship.

The Republicans under 8 years of the Bush Crime Family tried to DESTROY the economy....WTF are you talking about "Meat Head"! The only reason our economy didn't crash and burn was b/c the Republican'ts RAN OUT OF TIME! All the Bush Crime Family needed was two more years and office and America would have wittnessed a 2nd Republican Caused Great Depression.

[Bronx33]

Therefore the economic data must be fabricated right?

In the real world, my business grew at a little over 150% last quarter. We deal primarily with small businesses (contractors, franchisees, etc..). They apparently have some money to spend.

Neither one of our pieces of data prove anything, but the economic numbers do. The fact is, the economy IS growing. Hopefully that will mean brighter days for you going forward.


Good for you!! but remember not all businesses are effected like yours was ( i really wished that were the case) or i wouldn't be 10% short on my pay check ( that much is a fact).

[cutthemdown]

The Republicans under 8 years of the Bush Crime Family tried to DESTROY the economy....WTF are you talking about "Meat Head"! The only reason our economy didn't crash and burn was b/c the Republican'ts RAN OUT OF TIME! All the Bush Crime Family needed was two more years and office and America would have wittnessed a 2nd Republican Caused Great Depression.

Funny because people did try to call this a depression way before we had 8 quarters of no growth. Which is sort of the guideline to go from recession to depression. Things are growing again which proves it wasn't as bad as people though, and still isn't. People in America better respect how bad the depression was and stop trying to think they will ever live through anything as bad.

We will never relate to the society that went through that. Is was really bad and dems trying to raise that spector at election was just a plan to get elected.

Now you want to say that Obama merely had to spend like a drunken whore to fix economy and save us from a depression? give me a friggin break. Obama's a joke of a President and is going to lose in 3 yrs.

[Bronx33]

Funny because people did try to call this a depression way before we had 8 quarters of no growth. Which is sort of the guideline to go from recession to depression. Things are growing again which proves it wasn't as bad as people though, and still isn't. People in America better respect how bad the depression was and stop trying to think they will ever live through anything as bad.

We will never relate to the society that went through that. Is was really bad and dems trying to raise that spector at election was just a plan to get elected.

Now you want to say that Obama merely had to spend like a drunken whore to fix economy and save us from a depression? give me a friggin break. Obama's a joke of a President and is going to lose in 3 yrs.


Heres rasta logic 101:

1- Blame bush

2- Blame bush

3- Blame bush



It's also obamas logic so he has a built in excuse when his policies fail.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Heres rasta logic 101:

1- Blame bush

2- Blame bush

3- Blame bush



Here's Bronx33's logic 101:

1) Exonerate Bush

2) Exonerate Bush

3) Exonerate Bush

4) Wipe all memories of Bush

[Bronx33]

Here's Bronx33's logic 101:

1) Exonerate Bush

2) Exonerate Bush

3) Exonerate Bush

4) Wipe all memories of Bush


LAs logic


1- clueless
2- repeat as necessary
3- loves rastamans rump
4- repeat as necessary

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LAs logic


1- clueless
2- repeat as necessary
3- loves rastamans rump
4- repeat as necessary

You're saying you didn't defend Bush?

http://rlv.zcache.com/denial_is_not_a_river_in_egypt_mug-p1685462872912062702gz2a_400.jpg

"Clueless" = denying something everyone here has seen with their own eyes.

[Bronx33]

Ahhhh here we go again with the baseless claims you're a broken freaking record dude you offer nothing new.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ahhhh here we go again with the baseless claims you're a broken freaking record dude you offer nothing new.

Ha ha ha! ROFL!

You would have us believe you didn't support or defend Bush?

You would deny something everyone on the Mane saw with their own eyes?

Your impersonation of Peter denying Christ is hilarious! Hilarious!

[Bronx33]

I repeat (nothing new)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

SotU Quote of the Day

"After Obama spoke, the Republicans gave their rebuttal, during which they pointed out that Obama has repeatedly failed to solve any of the problems they created under Bush."

- Jimmy Kimmel

[DBruleU]

SotU Quote of the Day

"After Obama spoke, the Republicans gave their rebuttal, during which they pointed out that Obama has repeatedly failed to solve any of the problems they created under Bush."

- Jimmy Kimmel

Ah yes, Jimmy Kimmel.

What a beacon of light that guy is...he's not even funny either.

[Spider]

I repeat (nothing new)

but LABF is right , this economy was wrecked before Obama , so what is Obama supposed to do ?

[Spider]

sotu quote of the day

"after obama spoke, the republicans gave their rebuttal, during which they pointed out that obama has repeatedly failed to solve any of the problems they created under bush."

- jimmy kimmel

lol

[Hizaki]

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=571

The Precarious State of the Union

In this week's much anticipated State of the Union address, President Obama again demonstrated his poor understanding of the fundamental problems that confront our nation. By following the advice of the same people who helped guide our economy to the precipice of total collapse, Obama now threatens to push it over the edge.

Notwithstanding his well crafted lip service regarding future spending restraint, the essence of his current program is for more government spending and larger deficits. For all his talk about job creation, his policies will further burden those who might otherwise create those jobs with higher taxes and more regulation. While he did call for tax cuts for the middle class and offered what amounts to bailouts for those struggling to repay student loans, such cuts do nothing to promote growth in the near term and will add to the deficits in the long term.

The President spoke optimistically about the future, but in reality there is little evidence to support such an upbeat outlook. He began his speech by assuring us that the worst of the storm had passed. General Custer may have said something similar when the first wave of Indian attacks ebbed at Little Big Horn.

While Obama did have some harsh words for Wall Street (not exactly a courageous political stance), he leveled no criticism at the Federal Reserve or other government agencies that had financed and guaranteed all the ridiculous real estate speculation that precipitated the crash. And while he at least conceded that the prosperity of the last decade was based on illusions, he continued to endorse the very policies that produced the mirage in the first place.

To lead us back to brighter days, he articulated a vision of a centrally planned recovery, where clean energy and a Soviet style five-year plan to double our exports would make our economy preeminent once more. He fails to understand that the only reason our economy rose to the top in the first place is that the government left it alone.

In the words of the Spanish philosopher George Santayana, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Since our President cannot even learn from the mistakes of his immediate predecessor, to say nothing of those he made himself while in the Senate or during his first year as president, we are surely doomed to repeat them, perhaps more quickly than Santayana could have imagined.

Rather than tightening the reins on the reckless monetary policy that undermined our savings, diminished our industrial output, inflated asset bubbles, and led to reckless speculation on Wall Street and excess consumption on Main Street, we are loosing them further. Rather than repealing regulations that distort markets and create moral hazards, we are adding new ones that do more of the same. Rather than cutting government spending to reduce the burden it places on our economy, we are increasing both the amount of the spending and the size of the burden. Rather than making government smaller so that the private sector can grow, we are making government bigger and forcing the private sector to shrink. Rather than paying off our debts we are taking on even more. Rather than encouraging people to save we are enticing them to spend. Rather than creating jobs, we are merely creating unemployment benefits.

As a result, instead of seeding the soil for a real recovery we are setting the stage for a prolonged depression.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Wow! You've actually said something I agree with! So you must agree with me that our economy has gone to hell in a handbasket, not since Bush became president but since Democrats took back Congress in 2007! Our unemployment was 5% in 2006 and the economy was humming along nicely.

Just when I think that rastaboy can't be owned any more completely, he presents such an opportunity to TexanBob, which Bob promptly knocks out of the park.

[rastaman]

Funny because people did try to call this a depression way before we had 8 quarters of no growth. Which is sort of the guideline to go from recession to depression. Things are growing again which proves it wasn't as bad as people though, and still isn't. People in America better respect how bad the depression was and stop trying to think they will ever live through anything as bad.

We will never relate to the society that went through that. Is was really bad and dems trying to raise that spector at election was just a plan to get elected.

Now you want to say that Obama merely had to spend like a drunken whore to fix economy and save us from a depression? give me a friggin break. Obama's a joke of a President and is going to lose in 3 yrs.

You do realize that part $2.6 Trillion of the 3.8 Trillion Budget to pay on the interest on the debt/deficit accumulated predominatley by 3 Republican Presidents since 1981! At least Obama is trying to pay down the deficit. Remember, GW Bush had two wars he started and did not bother to list the cost of these wars. Bush simply put the cost of his Wars on the backs of our children and grandchildren to pay off.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ah yes, Jimmy Kimmel.

What a beacon of light that guy is...he's not even funny either.

"Shoot the messenger" - the last refuge of the intellectually dishonest rightard.

tsk tsk

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

but LABF is right , this economy was wrecked before Obama , so what is Obama supposed to do ?

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

Gotta laugh at the rightards who think that whatever Obama does (or doesn't do) somehow lets them off the hook for eight years of Bush/GOP incompetence, corruption, and criminality.

Talk about morally retarded. :oyvey: