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KCStud
01-29-2010, 01:20 PM
One of the best NFL stories ever. Amazing how he made it to the NFL and what he did in and for the league. One of the best role models the NFL could ask for. First ballot HOF IMO. Enjoy retirement Kurt

Man-Goblin
01-29-2010, 01:25 PM
:worthless

TheReverend
01-29-2010, 01:26 PM
Sad day

Pony Boy
01-29-2010, 01:26 PM
McNabb will look good in a Cardinal Helmet.

TheDave
01-29-2010, 01:38 PM
Good guy... hell of a player.

broncofan7
01-29-2010, 01:39 PM
Hall OF Famer--wasn't there some talk of Shanny looking at hime before we got Jake?

dbfan21
01-29-2010, 01:53 PM
Cool story from 1999 in Sports Illustrated:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1017358/index.htm?eref=sihp

SouthStndJunkie
01-29-2010, 02:16 PM
Kurt Warner has solidified his HOF status the last few years.

Great story as well.

Garcia Bronco
01-29-2010, 02:21 PM
Great man, don't think he's a HOF though.

ColoradoDarin
01-29-2010, 02:33 PM
I think taking the Cards to the Superbowl last year put him in the hof. Great guy, great player.

OBF1
01-29-2010, 02:48 PM
Maybe we should bring him in for a look, I would give up a 3rd round pick for him.

RhymesayersDU
01-29-2010, 02:52 PM
He'll be in the HOF. Not first ballot or anything, but he'll make it.

boltaneer
01-29-2010, 03:13 PM
For the AFC West teams, this virtually makes the Cardinals game next year an automatic win. Bring on Matt Leinart! :flower:

Pool
01-29-2010, 03:13 PM
Bad deal for Cardinals since Leinart hasnt really developed into a starting QB

enjolras
01-29-2010, 03:15 PM
If he's not in the HOF, then there is no reason to have even have it.

- 2 league MVP's
- 1 superbowl
- 1 NFC championship (with a different team)

One of the best stories in the history of football. On top of that he has generally handled the whole situation with poise and class (his wife... not so much). I admire the guy. Sure fire HOF'er in my book.

SouthStndJunkie
01-29-2010, 03:18 PM
If he's not in the HOF, then there is no reason to have even have it.

- 2 league MVP's
- 1 superbowl
- 1 NFC championship (with a different team)

One of the best stories in the history of football. On top of that he has generally handled the whole situation with poise and class (his wife... not so much). I admire the guy. Sure fire HOF'er in my book.

Actually, he has been to 3 Super Bowls....and he owns the record for the 3 highest passing yardage games in Super Bowl history.

cutthemdown
01-29-2010, 03:21 PM
He had that look in his eye at the end of that last game. Like he knew he didn't want to come back for more of that. Warner gave it his all and IMO got the last shred of game out of his body. Superbowl champ, seems like a good man, great story. Like south stand said Superbowl numbers that put him in the upper echelon of all time superbowl qbs. I'd have to say Warner pretty much a stud career.

Doggcow
01-29-2010, 03:22 PM
For the AFC West teams, this virtually makes the Cardinals game next year an automatic win. Bring on Matt Leinart! :flower:

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Pretty convenient.

UberBroncoMan
01-29-2010, 03:32 PM
He really deserved a Super Bowl ring with the Cardinals :(...

With the amount of $ he was getting to do the 2nd year on his contract I thought for sure he'd play next year then retire. It's probably a physical issue.

Well... at least we face the Cardinals next year without him throwing the rock.

backup qb
01-29-2010, 03:43 PM
HOF in my book. I loved watching him play. Kinda reminded me of Marino.

Atwater His Ass
01-29-2010, 03:47 PM
His career mirrors Terrell Davis' career in many ways. Only thing Warner really has on Davis is a bit more longevity.

I think both belong in the HoF, but I find it amusing how I anticpate the media running with the Kurt for HoF bangwagon while ignoring TD.

supermanhr9
01-29-2010, 03:47 PM
Over Rated

supermanhr9
01-29-2010, 03:48 PM
Totally kidding, living in St. Louis, you have no choice but to admire what he accomplished.

Beantown Bronco
01-29-2010, 03:49 PM
Totally kidding, living in St. Louis, you have no choice but to admire what he accomplished.

No doubt. Look at what they've done since he left. Almost as bad as Arizona was before Kurt came along. The guy's a winner.

GoBroncos DownUnder
01-29-2010, 04:09 PM
I think both belong in the HoF, but I find it amusing how I anticpate the media running with the Kurt for HoF bangwagon while ignoring TD.
GREAT player on the field - GREAT person off the field! And SHOULD be a first ballot HoF'er!

I can't wait to see how the douche-bags in the HoF voting committee screw this one up! :thanku: Will be interesting to see how the political BULL**** figures into the voting process ... with supporters from St Louis and Arizona scrounging for all the votes they can get!

(Is there a HoF induction/argument thread yet to entertain us through the off-season? if so, can someone hook me up?!):thumbsup:

azbroncfan
01-29-2010, 04:35 PM
Great man, don't think he's a HOF though.

Why don't you think he is a HOF?

TexanBob
01-29-2010, 05:11 PM
I was lukewarm about his HOF candidacy until it dawned on me that Warner led not one but two franchises to the highest peak of their existence. How many people can say that? Name anything the Cardinals or Rams have accomplished in the last 40 years except when they had Kurt Warner as their QB? THAT'S hall-of-fame.

rbackfactory80
01-29-2010, 05:18 PM
I was lukewarm about his HOF candidacy until it dawned on me that Warner led not one but two franchises to the highest peak of their existence. How many people can say that? Name anything the Cardinals or Rams have accomplished in the last 40 years except when they had Kurt Warner as their QB? THAT'S hall-of-fame.

Bingo!

Hogan11
01-29-2010, 05:18 PM
I'm pretty indifferent towards Warner....I won't miss that wife of his though, that's for sure.

azbroncfan
01-29-2010, 06:27 PM
I was lukewarm about his HOF candidacy until it dawned on me that Warner led not one but two franchises to the highest peak of their existence. How many people can say that? Name anything the Cardinals or Rams have accomplished in the last 40 years except when they had Kurt Warner as their QB? THAT'S hall-of-fame.

Exactly two garbage franchise's. Not to mention his playoff resume is pretty damn dominant. He has the knack to have big games on the biggest stages.

Fusionfrontman
01-29-2010, 07:58 PM
His wife got hot.
And I'm a HUGE Warner fan... def Hall of fame. Took 2 teams to the superbowl following 9 consecutive losing seasons! TWICE! 99 Rams and 08 Cards. That's amazing

And if anyone knows where I can get a 99 Rams (the old school one) Warner Authentic let me know. Jersey101 and junkie do not carry it. I've been itching for one for a while, and am about to just get a cardinals one.

DBroncos4life
01-29-2010, 08:13 PM
Warner's stats are right up there with Steve Young's minus the rushing part.

Bronco Bob
01-30-2010, 12:58 AM
Maybe we should bring him in for a look, I would give up a 3rd round pick for him.

We actually did have a chance to get Warner. It was a choice by Shanahan
between him and Plummer, and Shanahan decided to go with Plummer.
The consensus on the Mane at the time was this was a good thing,
as it was felt that Warner was all washed up by then.

epicSocialism4tw
01-30-2010, 10:26 AM
If he's not in the HOF, then there is no reason to have even have it.

- 2 league MVP's
- 1 superbowl
- 1 NFC championship (with a different team)

One of the best stories in the history of football. On top of that he has generally handled the whole situation with poise and class (his wife... not so much). I admire the guy. Sure fire HOF'er in my book.

Yup.

I heard last night (havent checked myself) on sports radio that he has the 3 best games in Superbowl history. That would qualify him as Mr. Big Game.

~Crash~
01-30-2010, 11:02 AM
Hall OF Famer--wasn't there some talk of Shanny looking at hime before we got Jake?

yes but he got on the plane to NY and Shanny got fired...

~Crash~
01-30-2010, 11:05 AM
We actually did have a chance to get Warner. It was a choice by Shanahan
between him and Plummer, and Shanahan decided to go with Plummer.
The consensus on the Mane at the time was this was a good thing,
as it was felt that Warner was all washed up by then.

Nope wrong we had no shot at him he was signed quickly .and Shanahan stated there was another QB that he wanted that year .

Inkana7
01-30-2010, 11:17 AM
I always loved watching Kurt Warner play. He's HOF in my book, easily.

~Crash~
01-30-2010, 11:36 AM
I always loved watching Kurt Warner play. He's HOF in my book, easily.

yep darts right were they needed to be . He was a blast when I watched him in arena Football .

Elway's Pigeon Toes
01-31-2010, 12:27 AM
In regard to Warner being a sure fire HOFer:

In 5 years (Players aren't eligible for hall for 5 years after retirement)it is very likely that Tony Romo, Phillip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, and Ben Roethlisberger will all have more career passing yards and passing TD's than Warner and they all would have done it in one less season than Warner (They all came into the league in 2004, 2004-2014 is one less season than Warner's 1998-2009 career).

Here are the averages that each player needs to pass Warner's numbers:

Roethlisberger 2609 yards per season and 17 TD's per season
Carson Palmer 2775 yards per season and 17 TD's per season
Eli Manning 2771 yards per season and 17 TD's per season
Tony Romo 3460 yards per season and 21 TD's per season
Phillip Rivers 3478 yards per season and 21 TD's per season

* I rounded up for each average
* All 5 players smashed those averages in 2009

It would hurt Warner's case considerably if all 5 of these players top his numbers and do it in less time.

Of course some of them can have their careers derail and some can battle injuries, but all 5 of them have been performing well above those averages.

The one negative about Warner that sticks out to me is how often he was passed over by NFL teams. He got cut in Green Bay, eventually was passed over for Bulger in St. Louis, was run out of town in New York, and was benched for Matt Leinart in 2006 because of poor performances.

I just never thought of a HOF QB as one that gets cut and benched by multiple teams.

He does have 2 league MVP's, but he also threw for 22 interceptions in one of those seasons and shared the backfield with another league MVP in Marshall Faulk.

azbroncfan
01-31-2010, 01:05 AM
In regard to Warner being a sure fire HOFer:

In 5 years (Players aren't eligible for hall for 5 years after retirement)it is very likely that Tony Romo, Phillip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, and Ben Roethlisberger will all have more career passing yards and passing TD's than Warner and they all would have done it in one less season than Warner (They all came into the league in 2004, 2004-2014 is one less season than Warner's 1998-2009 career).

Here are the averages that each player needs to pass Warner's numbers:

Roethlisberger 2609 yards per season and 17 TD's per season
Carson Palmer 2775 yards per season and 17 TD's per season
Eli Manning 2771 yards per season and 17 TD's per season
Tony Romo 3460 yards per season and 21 TD's per season
Phillip Rivers 3478 yards per season and 21 TD's per season

* I rounded up for each average
* All 5 players smashed those averages in 2009

It would hurt Warner's case considerably if all 5 of these players top his numbers and do it in less time.

Of course some of them can have their careers derail and some can battle injuries, but all 5 of them have been performing well above those averages.

The one negative about Warner that sticks out to me is how often he was passed over by NFL teams. He got cut in Green Bay, eventually was passed over for Bulger in St. Louis, was run out of town in New York, and was benched for Matt Leinart in 2006 because of poor performances.

I just never thought of a HOF QB as one that gets cut and benched by multiple teams.

He does have 2 league MVP's, but he also threw for 22 interceptions in one of those seasons and shared the backfield with another league MVP in Marshall Faulk.

Problem with your argument is those guys will most likely be playing. Big Ben will be in the Hall but unless the other guys find some rings or take two garbage teams to the super bowl it won't matter. Warner's number's are like Steve Young's and his completion percentages and playoff numbers will get him in. His three superbowls games are three of the best ever. Warner was one of the most accurate passers when unpressured and had a great deep ball.

Here are some records of his.

Highest completion percentage in a single game (regular season) - 92.3% (24/26) (9/20/09) [35]
Most Yards Passing, Super Bowl (Game) - 414 yards vs. Tennessee Titans (only QB to pass for 400+ yards in the Super Bowl; also owns 2nd and 3rd highest yardage total in Super Bowl with 377 against the Pittsburgh Steelers and 365 against the New England Patriots).[36][37]
Most Yards Passing, Super Bowl (Career) - 1,156
Most Yards Passing, Playoffs (Single Season) - 1,147 (in 2009).
Most touchdown passes in a single postseason - 11 (in 2009, tied w/Joe Montana, who did it in 1990).
Highest career completion percentage, Playoffs - 66.5%
Highest rate of games w/300+ yards passing (min. 100 games played) - 41.9% (52/124)[38]
Most Yards Passing in the first two games of a season (2000) - 827[39]
Most Consecutive Games w/300+ Yards Passing - 6 (tied w/ Steve Young and Rich Gannon)[40]
Most Games with a perfect Passer Rating, Career (regular season only) - 3 (tied w/Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger)[41]
Only NFL quarterback to throw 40 touchdowns and win a Super Bowl in the same season (1999).
Only quarterback to throw for over 14,000 yards with two different teams (St. Louis Rams, Arizona Cardinals)
One of only 2 players in NFL history to throw 100 touchdown passes with two different teams (Fran Tarkenton is the other)
Tied Dan Marino as the fastest player to pass for 30,000 yards. He accomplished this in 114 games.
Tied Johnny Unitas with 4 consecutive games with a passer rating over 120 (against Brett Favre and the 10-1 Vikings on 12/6/2009)
Highest average passing yards per game on Monday Night Football - 329.4 (min 7 games)
Tied Daryle Lamonica with throwing 5 touchdown passes in two different playoff games.
Warner is the second quarterback to make Super Bowl starts with two different teams joining Craig Morton (1970 Dallas Cowboys and 1977 Denver Broncos). He also became the third quarterback in NFL history to win a conference championship with two different teams, following Craig Morton and Earl Morrall.
Warner also retired ranking second in several categories:

2nd Highest Average Passing Yards Per Game, Career (Min. 100 games) - 260.4 yards/game (Peyton Manning is first)[42]
2nd Highest career passer rating, Playoffs - 102.8 (Bart Starr is first)
2nd oldest quarterback to throw for 30 touchdowns in a season - Aged 37 in 2008 (Brett Favre is the oldest, aged 40 in 2009)

TomServo
01-31-2010, 01:37 AM
a star player that makes a decision to retire in a timely fashion-before the draft-and has the credibility to be beleivable? wow what character.
and if the HOF was worth a crap anyway? before last year i would say no. but 3 SB's i say he can join that Crappy ohio sham.

Blueflame
01-31-2010, 02:21 AM
His wife got hot.
And I'm a HUGE Warner fan... def Hall of fame. Took 2 teams to the superbowl following 9 consecutive losing seasons! TWICE! 99 Rams and 08 Cards. That's amazing

And if anyone knows where I can get a 99 Rams (the old school one) Warner Authentic let me know. Jersey101 and junkie do not carry it. I've been itching for one for a while, and am about to just get a cardinals one.

That's a matter of opinion. What's not mere speculation is that she didn't become any less of an annoying attention ho, even as Kurt went from NFL stardom with the Lambs to obscurity with the Giants... and back to stardom with the Cardinals. I will not miss having the cameras pan away from the game just to show her face in the stands (did we ever experience the sight of Janet Elway in the stands? I don't think so... this is a new trend that I first noticed with Brenda Warner but now includes Jessica Simpson when she was dating Tony Romo and Deanna Favre). I'll look for the exclusive coverage of Peyton Manning's wife in all the hype leading up to the SB... but doubt that we'll see any.

Oh... and every bit of success he had in the league... did come while he was playing in arguably the weakest division in the NFL (both Rams and Cardinals are in the creampuff NFC West). Just sayin'...

ZONA
01-31-2010, 02:38 AM
If the Cards won the Superbowl last year I think he would have been a sure fire 1st Ballot (and they should have won, got robbed). I think he gets in but he could be skipped over on his 1st Ballot, it just all depends on who is out there yet to get in.

SouthStndJunkie
01-31-2010, 03:10 AM
I think he makes it on the first ballot....Warner's career story is very unique and improbable and one that will be looked upon favorably as time goes on.

Blueflame
01-31-2010, 03:16 AM
If the Cards won the Superbowl last year I think he would have been a sure fire 1st Ballot (and they should have won, got robbed). I think he gets in but he could be skipped over on his 1st Ballot, it just all depends on who is out there yet to get in.

In predicting "first-ballot".... you gotta consider that (barring another comeback) he's most likely gonna be eligible the same year as Favre... will the HOF voters pick 2 QBs? If not, then they'll take Favre over Warner every single time.

SouthStndJunkie
01-31-2010, 03:21 AM
In predicting "first-ballot".... you gotta consider that (barring another comeback) he's most likely gonna be eligible the same year as Favre... will the HOF voters pick 2 QBs? If not, then they'll take Favre over Warner every single time.

If they will vote Troy Aikman and Warren Moon both in 2006, they will vote for Brett Favre and Kurt Warner as well.

Blueflame
01-31-2010, 03:39 AM
If they will vote Troy Aikman and Warren Moon both in 2006, they will vote for Brett Favre and Kurt Warner as well.

Maybe.

ColoradoDarin
01-31-2010, 08:21 AM
Kurt Warner is a lot like TD but with just a little longer player career. Both dominated in the postseason and should get in just for that. Is the hof for some long career, but not dominating play? Fred Taylor or Eddie George? Would you take either of those guys over TD?? No one would. Similarly if Tony Romo continues to put up good regular season numbers he still won't be the QB that Warner is.

Circle Orange
01-31-2010, 09:37 AM
Nice guy, good person. I know his religion was offputting to a lot of people in this cynical, critical age. But now he can go home and enjoy his 1,000,000,000 kids with the wifey.

BTW, if Favre retires, then the Saints will be credited with eliminating two qbs with MVP/SB status. And old. :strong:

Elway's Pigeon Toes
01-31-2010, 01:18 PM
Problem with your argument is those guys will most likely be playing.

What do you mean here? I know all 5 of those guys are going to be playing for 5 years and beyond. The point is that at the time Warner is first being discussed for induction all 5 of them will have topped his career numbers in one less season than Warner. Big Ben is the only likely HOFer in that group. That is the point. 4 non-HOF QB's from Warner's era will have more yards and TD's in less time.

So then what gets him in, the one SB ring? The MVP's? Mark Rypien had a SB ring and so did Trent Dilfer. One ring and career numbers less than 4 non-HOF QB's from your era doesn't do it for me. You have to take into account that he played with Holt/Faulk/Bruce/Pace and Fitzgerald/Boldin too.Also, when he was tearing it up in St. Louis the Cardinals, 49ers, and Seahawks all sucked. That was close to half of his schedule. When he played in Arizona the Rams, 49ers, and Seahawks all sucked. Again, close to half of his schedule.

Durango
01-31-2010, 02:37 PM
one thing that has always bothered me about the Kurt Warner story is that after injuring his thumb on his throwing hand, he never made the effort to get it right, and as a result, he more or less wandered in the NFL desert a few seasons before landing in Arizona.

My point is that Denver could've had this guy for basically nothing a few years ago. Shanahan was fed up with Plummer, we could've had Warner for a couple of seasons while grooming Cutler, assuming Cutler was drafted at all. It might've been an ideal situation and as a bonus Shanahan might still have his job here.

azbroncfan
01-31-2010, 09:01 PM
What do you mean here? I know all 5 of those guys are going to be playing for 5 years and beyond. .

He won't have to compete with them because they won't be up for HOF yet.

Fusionfrontman
02-01-2010, 09:52 AM
Warner would not have fit in our under 300lb OL, ZBS, play action bootleg system.