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tsiguy96
01-28-2010, 10:37 AM
per vic lombardi and more

Beantown Bronco
01-28-2010, 10:39 AM
:lombardi:

worm
01-28-2010, 10:40 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_14286824

Posted: 01/28/2010 11:26:44 AM MST
Updated: 01/28/2010 11:29:19 AM MST

New defensive chief Don Martindale, left, will replace Mike Nolan.

The Broncos officially promoted Don "Wink" Martindale from linebackers coach to defensive coordinator today.

Martindale becomes the Broncos' fifth defensive coordinator in five years.

He succeeds Mike Nolan, who left after one season and now is defensive coordinator for the Miami Dolphins.

"Wink definitely deserves this," Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said. "He's earned this opportunity. Our system won't change, our philosophy won't change. He's a very aggressive coach. This is a great day for the Denver Broncos."

WolfpackGuy
01-28-2010, 10:41 AM
Woo hoo, champyunchip...

TheReverend
01-28-2010, 10:43 AM
I think this was the best option outside of keeping things level with Mike Nolan.

Martindale has a solid background and will hopefully maintain some level of stability within the defense.

Congrats to him and pulling for some great success.

DenverBrit
01-28-2010, 10:44 AM
http://raktamrittika.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/excellent-frog.jpg

oubronco
01-28-2010, 10:46 AM
can we please have some continuity now

bronco militia
01-28-2010, 10:47 AM
he better be renting

jhns
01-28-2010, 10:47 AM
I don't know much about him so I don't have an opinion on him yet. What I do know is he has some big shoes to fill. Nolan was doing a great job with this defense.

montrose
01-28-2010, 10:48 AM
God I hope this goes better than the last time we promoted a "players coach" to DC.

TheReverend
01-28-2010, 10:49 AM
I don't know much about him so I don't have an opinion on him yet. What I do know is he has some big shoes to fill. Nolan was doing a great job with this defense.

There's not TOO much to know. He's mainly been a college position coach and just hit the pro scene semi recent as a LB coach in Oakland. He's done a good to excellent job at each stop so far though, so let's hope he's ready for this next step.

Mediator12
01-28-2010, 10:50 AM
I don't know much about him so I don't have an opinion on him yet. What I do know is he has some big shoes to fill. Nolan was doing a great job with this defense.

Nolan definitely did a great job at the beginning of the year scheming this defense. However, they were not so good down the stretch again. They really need to establish a system and find actual talent and depth to fit it for several years. Just like the offense needs to do the same now. Continuity will be key to the next few years success.....

Coaching is less relevant than continuity right now, and has been for the last 5 years. I think Martindale will do just fine as long as they tweak and not drastically change the scheme, philosophy, and terminology again for the fourth straight year.

Pony Boy
01-28-2010, 10:53 AM
I think he is a good choice and understands the "chain of command" and that can't be all bad.....

Drek
01-28-2010, 10:55 AM
I don't know much about him so I don't have an opinion on him yet. What I do know is he has some big shoes to fill. Nolan was doing a great job with this defense.

He was, but a lot of what we where doing well came counter culture to what Nolan had previously done.

A few things to consider:

McDaniels was (obviously) the talent selector for our defensive makeover. Like it or not he obviously calls the football personnel shots, so our acquisitions are to his credit well before anyone else.

Doom commented prior to the season that McDaniels had worked with him personally on his change from DE to OLB.

There is ample video evidence showing McDaniels actually getting directly involved with defensive coaching during camp and pre-season last year.

Dawkins recently said that Martindale was the source of a LOT of their pre-game prep materials, breaking down opposing offenses. That is (obviously) a key part of how a defense performs.

Nolan as a defensive play caller did manage a very good game. Prior to a few teams cracking the nut that was our defensive scheme (i.e. our weak DL we where masking) he had moments of outright great game management and kept the opposition guessing and unsure all game. He also was likely at least heavily involved in our excellent halftime adjustments, a key to our early season success.

Martindale has some big shoes to fill, but he isn't replacing a miracle worker. Just a very good DC that he got to work with and learn from all last season.

Its on Martindale to translate that into results, while at the same time its on McDaniels to provide him with the talent along the DL that lets him have continued success even when the novelty of scheme wears off.

montrose
01-28-2010, 10:58 AM
Here's a question, because I loved Martindale as a LB coach, do we hire a new one or can he still work with those guys?

TheReverend
01-28-2010, 11:02 AM
He was, but a lot of what we where doing well came counter culture to what Nolan had previously done.

A few things to consider:

McDaniels was (obviously) the talent selector for our defensive makeover. Like it or not he obviously calls the football personnel shots, so our acquisitions are to his credit well before anyone else.

Doom commented prior to the season that McDaniels had worked with him personally on his change from DE to OLB.

There is ample video evidence showing McDaniels actually getting directly involved with defensive coaching during camp and pre-season last year.

Dawkins recently said that Martindale was the source of a LOT of their pre-game prep materials, breaking down opposing offenses. That is (obviously) a key part of how a defense performs.

Nolan as a defensive play caller did manage a very good game. Prior to a few teams cracking the nut that was our defensive scheme (i.e. our weak DL we where masking) he had moments of outright great game management and kept the opposition guessing and unsure all game. He also was likely at least heavily involved in our excellent halftime adjustments, a key to our early season success.

Martindale has some big shoes to fill, but he isn't replacing a miracle worker. Just a very good DC that he got to work with and learn from all last season.

Its on Martindale to translate that into results, while at the same time its on McDaniels to provide him with the talent along the DL that lets him have continued success even when the novelty of scheme wears off.

Not to nitpick, but your bolded statement isn't true... Dawkins said that Martindale worked a lot with HIM, because in all actuality, Dawkins was playing more of the 4th LB role than a DB

"I very much can see him as a defensive coordinator," Dawkins said. "A lot of what they asked me to do this year as a true strong safety, the film study I went through at that position, a lot of that came from him."

TheReverend
01-28-2010, 11:02 AM
Here's a question, because I loved Martindale as a LB coach, do we hire a new one or can he still work with those guys?

He can and should do both.

montrose
01-28-2010, 11:07 AM
He can and should do both.

I hope so, especially if he's got Phifer to help him. I was just wondering since McCoy is now just the OC if McD wants his coordinators to only focus on coordinating.

Drek
01-28-2010, 11:07 AM
Not to nitpick, but your bolded statement isn't true... Dawkins said that Martindale worked a lot with HIM, because in all actuality, Dawkins was playing more of the 4th LB role than a DB

"I very much can see him as a defensive coordinator," Dawkins said. "A lot of what they asked me to do this year as a true strong safety, the film study I went through at that position, a lot of that came from him."

Thanks for the correction, the fact that Dawk was always the 8th man in the box slipped my mind.

HEAV
01-28-2010, 11:08 AM
Martindale Promoted to Defensive Coordinator
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. — The Denver Broncos on Thursday promoted Don “Wink” Martindale to defensive coordinator, it was announced. Martindale coached the club’s linebackers in 2009 after spending five years in that role with the Oakland Raiders.

“We are excited to name Wink Martindale our defensive coordinator,” Head Coach Josh McDaniels said. “Wink is the perfect fit to lead our defense after earning the respect of our players and coaching staff for the job he did this past year working with our linebackers.

“Defensively, we will keep our system consistent in terms of the scheme and will play an aggressive, physical brand of football. Most importantly, we want to continue to improve. Wink holds his players to a very high standard, both on the field and in the meeting room, and he makes them better. He is highly regarded within our organization, and we look forward to him leading our defense.”

Before beginning his NFL coaching career with the Raiders in 2004, the 46-year-old Martindale worked as the defensive coordinator at Western Kentucky University in 2003 and helped the Hilltoppers rank sixth in Division I-AA in yards per game allowed. He also worked as a defensive coordinator at Western Illinois University in 1999 after coaching in various defensive roles at the University of Cincinnati (1996-98) and the University of Notre Dame (1994-95).

Martindale spent six years coaching at the high school level in Ohio after beginning his coaching career in 1986 at Defiance College, where he played linebacker and earned a bachelor’s degree in business education.

As the Broncos’ linebackers coach in 2009, Martindale oversaw a unit that helped Denver rank seventh in the NFL in total yards per game allowed (315.0) and third in the league in passing yards per game allowed (186.3). He helped Elvis Dumervil become the first league sack champion in Broncos history with the fourth-year player posting a club-record 17 to earn Pro Bowl honors in his first season at linebacker.

In addition, D.J. Williams was named a Pro Bowl alternate under Martindale in 2009 after leading the club with 122 tackles that ranked sixth in the AFC according to press box statistics.

An all-state linebacker at Trotwood-Madison High School in Trotwood, Ohio, Martindale was born on May 19, 1963, in Dayton, Ohio. He is married to Laura, and the couple has one daughter (Cassie) and one son (Ty).

Rohirrim
01-28-2010, 11:08 AM
Wink Martindale is our new DC?

http://www.johnnygoodtimes.com/ent_324_222.jpg

Drek
01-28-2010, 11:11 AM
I hope so, especially if he's got Phifer to help him. I was just wondering since McCoy is now just the OC if McD wants his coordinators to only focus on coordinating.

We should bring in someone else, or promote from within, regardless if if Martindale carries the load with the LBs still.

Ben McDaniels to QB coach doesn't mean he's suddenly going to be coaching the QBs. McCoy didn't even really coach the QBs last year, its always been McDaniels. But its a chance to start developing more internal talent within the coaching staff. This organization needs to get back to the traditional HC > OC/DC > ST > positional coaches line of grooming our own staff replacements.

Not only does it give us more football minds working on how to win games and protection when coaches get sniped off the staff, but it also gives a clear power hierarchy that the players can see and understand.

ColoradoDarin
01-28-2010, 11:42 AM
For people who want continuity, this is continuity.

PRBronco
01-28-2010, 12:00 PM
Wink Martindale is our new DC?

http://www.johnnygoodtimes.com/ent_324_222.jpg

Am I the only one who's never heard of this guy? ^^^^

tsiguy96
01-28-2010, 12:04 PM
We should bring in someone else, or promote from within, regardless if if Martindale carries the load with the LBs still.

Ben McDaniels to QB coach doesn't mean he's suddenly going to be coaching the QBs. McCoy didn't even really coach the QBs last year, its always been McDaniels. But its a chance to start developing more internal talent within the coaching staff. This organization needs to get back to the traditional HC > OC/DC > ST > positional coaches line of grooming our own staff replacements.

Not only does it give us more football minds working on how to win games and protection when coaches get sniped off the staff, but it also gives a clear power hierarchy that the players can see and understand.

i dont think ben mcdaniels will be doing much coaching, i think this is mcdaniels way of getting his brother good coaching observing time and experience to help him move his own way up the coaching ladder. the absolute truth in this business is its WHO you know. thats all it is. even in strength and conditioning (collegiate or nfl), which im going into, thats all it is.

azbroncfan
01-28-2010, 12:06 PM
Nolan definitely did a great job at the beginning of the year scheming this defense. However, they were not so good down the stretch again. They really need to establish a system and find actual talent and depth to fit it for several years. Just like the offense needs to do the same now. Continuity will be key to the next few years success.....

Coaching is less relevant than continuity right now, and has been for the last 5 years. I think Martindale will do just fine as long as they tweak and not drastically change the scheme, philosophy, and terminology again for the fourth straight year.

Don't you think continuity and talent will trump coaching and scheming for the most part Med?

Popps
01-28-2010, 12:09 PM
Well, I'm cautiously optimistic about this. Pees was my hope, but Martindale has a nice rep and has been in line for a gig like this for quite some time.

Now, let's go out and get the guy some more talent to work with...

jhns
01-28-2010, 12:16 PM
Don't you think continuity and talent will trump coaching and scheming for the most part Med?

You need both. Talent that isn't put in position to make plays will not be good. A scheme with a lack of talent will be exposed eventually.

MaloCS
01-28-2010, 12:18 PM
Nolan definitely did a great job at the beginning of the year scheming this defense. However, they were not so good down the stretch again. They really need to establish a system and find actual talent and depth to fit it for several years. Just like the offense needs to do the same now. Continuity will be key to the next few years success.....

Coaching is less relevant than continuity right now, and has been for the last 5 years. I think Martindale will do just fine as long as they tweak and not drastically change the scheme, philosophy, and terminology again for the fourth straight year.

I'm speculating here but I believe the Broncos faltered down the stretch because McD started implementing HIS system after the bye week. There are TOO many coincidences that point to the new coach tinkering with the system in all three phases of the game.

I don't believe that the defense faltered due to poor coaching and scheming from Nolan.

If you read the article posted in this thread the new coach says, "The system won't change.". This says to me that the defense is and was running HIS system and not Nolan's. If the system was Nolan's how could it NOT change if he isn't here any more? That's right, it would have to change. For the new coach to say it WON'T change means the system they'll be running next near is the system they ran last year. If you add to that Nolan's departure due to philosophy differences then it points to the fact that the new guy was forcing a different system upon Nolan. Maybe that's the reason for the late season collapse of the defense.

Hmmmm.

tsiguy96
01-28-2010, 12:22 PM
I'm speculating here but I believe the Broncos faltered down the stretch because McD started implementing HIS system after the bye week. There are TOO many coincidences that point to the new coach tinkering with the system in all three phases of the game.

I don't believe that the defense faltered due to poor coaching and scheming from Nolan.

youre speculating, and have no reason to actually believe what you are saying, but are saying it anyway? its the same system this year, mcdaniels has said for 2 years in a row now he wants aggressiveness on defense, not just read and react. maybe nolan stopped the blitzing and reverted to his defenses of old (read and react), which is why the defense failed and him and mcdaniels butted heads?

WolfpackGuy
01-28-2010, 12:22 PM
You need both. Talent that isn't put in position to make plays will not be good. A scheme with a lack of talent will be exposed eventually.

I hear it only takes 6 games.

DBroncos4life
01-28-2010, 12:23 PM
Are we attacking more or are we attacking less now?

Inkana7
01-28-2010, 12:35 PM
Are we attacking more or are we attacking less now?

The same. Nothing's changing. Nothing ever did.

Bronco CB40
01-28-2010, 12:46 PM
I like him because he looks like a football coach. He looks like a bad ass mother****er that rolls with the Mongols at Sturgis. He's a crankster that eats chicken fried steak for breakfast!

http://sidelinescoop.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/don-martindale.jpg

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/0128/20100128__BRONCOS_ROOKIE_CAMP_JL184~p1_500.jpg

MaloCS
01-28-2010, 12:56 PM
youre speculating, and have no reason to actually believe what you are saying, but are saying it anyway? its the same system this year, mcdaniels has said for 2 years in a row now he wants aggressiveness on defense, not just read and react. maybe nolan stopped the blitzing and reverted to his defenses of old (read and react), which is why the defense failed and him and mcdaniels butted heads?

ALL the facts point to two different systems being run last year. SOMETHING happened during the bye week and I believe that was the cause for Nolan wanting out.

How can the system stay the same if the guy responsible for the system is gone? If Nolan ran his system all year and is now gone then how could the system possibly stay the same? It can't, it has to change. Unless, of course, the system that was being run at the end of the season is McD's system which supports the entire "difference of philosophy" comments made throughout this ordeal.

Inkana7
01-28-2010, 12:57 PM
ALL the facts point to two different systems being run last year. SOMETHING happened during the bye week and I believe that was the cause for Nolan wanting out.

How can the system stay the same if the guy responsible for the system is gone? If Nolan ran his system all year and is now gone then how could the system possibly stay the same? It can't, it has to change. Unless, of course, the system that was being run at the end of the season is McD's system which supports the entire "difference of philosophy" comments made throughout this ordeal.

What facts? Where? I never noticed anything looking different.

tsiguy96
01-28-2010, 01:04 PM
ALL the facts point to two different systems being run last year. SOMETHING happened during the bye week and I believe that was the cause for Nolan wanting out.

How can the system stay the same if the guy responsible for the system is gone? If Nolan ran his system all year and is now gone then how could the system possibly stay the same? It can't, it has to change. Unless, of course, the system that was being run at the end of the season is McD's system which supports the entire "difference of philosophy" comments made throughout this ordeal.

or maybe nolan stopped running what mcd wanted (aggressive, heavy blitz 3-4 as he said in preseason) and reverted back to his normal defenses?

and maybe mcdaniels wanted nolan gone, just as much as nolan wanted out? (and this WAS the case, so quit acting like they spurned each other. as the last report said, they were too much alike and thus couldnt work together, it happens)

broncosteven
01-28-2010, 01:11 PM
or maybe nolan stopped running what mcd wanted (aggressive, heavy blitz 3-4 as he said in preseason) and reverted back to his normal defenses?

and maybe mcdaniels wanted nolan gone, just as much as nolan wanted out? (and this WAS the case, so quit acting like they spurned each other. as the last report said, they were too much alike and thus couldnt work together, it happens)

Now both of you are speculating.

DBroncos4life
01-28-2010, 01:12 PM
ALL the facts point to two different systems being run last year. SOMETHING happened during the bye week and I believe that was the cause for Nolan wanting out.

How can the system stay the same if the guy responsible for the system is gone? If Nolan ran his system all year and is now gone then how could the system possibly stay the same? It can't, it has to change. Unless, of course, the system that was being run at the end of the season is McD's system which supports the entire "difference of philosophy" comments made throughout this ordeal.

I agree the only way things remain the same is if Nolan role on the team was smaller last year like we thought. If there isn't going to be change and things are going to be the same then why would Nolan and McD agree on the split?
Bailey said he wasn't shocked that Nolan was gone after the turn around so right there points to Nolan and McD not seeing eye to eye on how the D was being ran so there will be some sort of change.

bpc
01-28-2010, 01:21 PM
What's gonna happen when McDaniels finds out he likes Coke, and not Pepsi?

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tsiguy96
01-28-2010, 01:24 PM
Now both of you are speculating.

i know im speculating, im just showing him that he is too.

MaloCS
01-28-2010, 01:35 PM
What's gonna happen when McDaniels finds out he likes Coke, and not Pepsi?

<a href="http://s434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/bpc5180/?action=view&current=hitchhiker.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/bpc5180/hitchhiker.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

:spit:

MaloCS
01-28-2010, 01:36 PM
i know im speculating, im just showing him that he is too.

What? I prefaced my comment by saying I was speculating. You're not telling me anything I didn't already state.
:confuzzle

WolfpackGuy
01-28-2010, 01:43 PM
SOMETHING happened during the bye week and I believe that was the cause for Nolan wanting out.


I'm don't believe something happened during the bye week. There was probably something up right from preseason.

The defense was already on the field for significant stretches during the 6-0 start. Yeah, the offense made some plays late to win, but that defensive time on the field plus the lack of talent up front was a recipe for disaster.

The defense really began to be exposed in the Ravens and Steelers games when the offense was TOTALLY shut down hanging the defense out to dry against two physical teams.

HILife
01-28-2010, 01:44 PM
:lombardi:

:lombardi: :lombardi:

DBroncos4life
01-28-2010, 01:45 PM
What? I prefaced my comment by saying I was speculating. You're not telling me anything I didn't already state.
:confuzzle

Yeah but now you know you have no reason to believe what you wrote because you were just speculating and speculating means you have no facts behind what you said so that means you shouldn't even believe what you read because when in reality it could be the exact opposite of what you just read but on the other hand that is just more speculating which means I shouldn't believe any of that either so long story its just pure speculation about anything happening at all. :welcome: Now you know.

Drek
01-28-2010, 01:50 PM
I'm speculating here but I believe the Broncos faltered down the stretch because McD started implementing HIS system after the bye week. There are TOO many coincidences that point to the new coach tinkering with the system in all three phases of the game.

I don't believe that the defense faltered due to poor coaching and scheming from Nolan.

If you read the article posted in this thread the new coach says, "The system won't change.". This says to me that the defense is and was running HIS system and not Nolan's. If the system was Nolan's how could it NOT change if he isn't here any more? That's right, it would have to change. For the new coach to say it WON'T change means the system they'll be running next near is the system they ran last year. If you add to that Nolan's departure due to philosophy differences then it points to the fact that the new guy was forcing a different system upon Nolan. Maybe that's the reason for the late season collapse of the defense.

Hmmmm.

The problem with this speculation is that McDaniels has preached an attacking defense from day one and Nolan's previous stops as DC and HC has seen him trend towards a read and react, less blitz heavy defense.

If we're speculating here is my personal guess on the situation:

McDaniels picked the talent and dictated the overall scheme. Nolan implemented it, constructed the game plans against opposing offenses (with some help from McDaniels), and called the plays on game day.

After the bye week we got crushed by Baltimore's bigger, more powerful line. The Ravens had figured out our scheme and how it was hiding the weaknesses of our DL behind diverse blitzes. It wasn't very different from what our '05 team had happen to them in the AFCC against the Steelers. The constant cover ups for a weak front line got exposed. Unfortunately it happened to us in week 8 just coming out of our bye, and the rest of the season was Nolan's constant attempts to find new ways to hide those weaknesses, without much real success.

At the end of the season Nolan was offered the DC job in Miami by Parcells and promised more autonomy than what McDaniels was currently giving him. Tampering but unless Nolan blows the whistle you can't prove it. Nolan, wanting to be an HC again, saw that as a faster path towards his goal. McDaniels chose not to stand in the way of that, and after a deliberate review of all the possible candidates for DC settled on our internal option, Martindale.

UberBroncoMan
01-28-2010, 01:51 PM
http://raktamrittika.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/excellent-frog.jpg

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/donkeykong/images/5/56/DKCWinky.jpg

Was that a Donkey Kong Country reference :D?

worm
01-28-2010, 02:04 PM
Interesting insight in this article from players and past coworkers.



http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/other/fl-dolphins-senior-bowl-0128-20100127,0,196558.story

In the midst of Wednesday's Pro Bowl preparations, Yeremiah Bell had a few questions for Brian Dawkins.

Not just about Sunday's all-star game, at which Bell, the Dolphins' strong safety, will make his long-awaited debut, but about Mike Nolan, his new defensive coordinator.

What Dawkins, an eight-time Pro Bowl pick who played last season under Nolan in Denver, relayed was enough to get Bell excited about next season.

"Very, very heady, very knowledgeable," Dawkins told his fellow AFC safety about Nolan, 50. "Knows how to attack an offense from many different ways. You're going to love it."

Pressure defense is a Nolan hallmark. It's what helped the Broncos improve 22 spots in the overall defensive rankings in Nolan's only year there, and it's what helped their pass defense finish third in the league.

"Everybody gets a turn in his defense as far as pressure," Dawkins said. "You're going to have your chance to make plays in that defense. in particular is going to love it."

Bell is the Dolphins' career sacks leader by a defensive back, so get ready for more safety blitzes.

The Dolphins won't make Nolan (or any of their assistants) available to the media this week in Mobile, Ala., where he is coordinating the South team defense at the Senior Bowl. But one of his former bosses built on Dawkins' point about pressure.

According to Hall of Fame tight end Ozzie Newsome, the Ravens' vice president of personnel, there is a difference between just trying to unleash hell and doing it prudently.

[B]"He knows how to do it," Newsome said of the man who brought the 3-4 defense to Baltimore. "A lot of people can bring 'em, but you've got to know how to do it."

Newsome used words such as "meticulous" and "detailed" and "structured" to describe Nolan, who actually joined the Baltimore staff as a wide receivers coach in 2001 before replacing Marvin Lewis as defensive coordinator from 2002-04.

"It helped him to understand what offenses were trying to do," Newsome said of that unusual move. "But he also brought value to us because he could tell the offense what the defense was trying to do to us."

Dawkins wasn't alone at the Pro Bowl in his raves about Nolan, who struck up a friendship with Dolphins coach Tony Sparano at an owners meeting a few years back. Two other Broncos defenders made it, including cornerback Champ Bailey and converted linebacker Elvis Dumervil, who led the NFL with 17 sacks despite standing just 5-foot-11.

Are you reading this, Cameron Wake?

"He's going to allow guys to make plays, to get in one-on-one opportunities," Dumervil said of Nolan. "As a player it's up to you to make the difference."

That point isn't lost on Paul Pasqualoni, Nolan's predecessor. Fired eight days after the season ended with a disappointing 7-9 record, Pasqualoni is back in Miami this week as part of the Cowboys/NFC coaching staff.

"Somebody's got to be accountable, somebody's responsible," said Pasqualoni, dumped after two seasons with the Dolphins. "We had some young players, we had some injuries. We had a little bit different team than we had the year before."

Pasqualoni, now coaching the Cowboys defensive line, must have thought he was going to be spared after leading a defense that started two rookie cornerbacks for a combined 25 games. After trying to sell his Dallas-area home for nearly two years, he finally closed on it just before New Year's.

Oops.

"At the end of the day, we just gave up too many big plays," Pasqualoni said of a group that broke the franchise mark for fourth-quarter points allowed after just 11 games.

Nolan's Denver defense also struggled late after opening the year 6-0. The Broncos allowed 27 or more points in seven of their final 10 games as the team stumbled to a 2-8 finish.

What happened?

"Down the stretch, we began to make some mistakes," Dawkins said. "Guys out of their gaps, trying to do too much at different times. So we lost a couple of games in the fourth quarter."

Sound familiar?

Nolan is noted for his quick turnarounds, but as Dawkins pointed out those improvements aren't always linear.

"You're going to have growing pains when you have a whole new scheme," he said. "It's inevitable. We had them at the wrong time of the year. We had them at the end, instead of the beginning."

No matter, Nolan will stay aggressive. He knows no other way.

Florida_Bronco
01-28-2010, 02:06 PM
I approve of this move.

Beantown Bronco
01-28-2010, 02:16 PM
Pressure defense is a Nolan hallmark. It's what helped the Broncos improve 22 spots in the overall defensive rankings in Nolan's only year there, and it's what helped their pass defense finish third in the league.

No matter, Nolan will stay aggressive. He knows no other way.

This goes against EVERYTHING my Redskins and 9ers fans told me before the season started, when I asked them about him.

azbroncfan
01-28-2010, 02:24 PM
I'm speculating here but I believe the Broncos faltered down the stretch because McD started implementing HIS system after the bye week. There are TOO many coincidences that point to the new coach tinkering with the system in all three phases of the game.

I don't believe that the defense faltered due to poor coaching and scheming from Nolan.

If you read the article posted in this thread the new coach says, "The system won't change.". This says to me that the defense is and was running HIS system and not Nolan's. If the system was Nolan's how could it NOT change if he isn't here any more? That's right, it would have to change. For the new coach to say it WON'T change means the system they'll be running next near is the system they ran last year. If you add to that Nolan's departure due to philosophy differences then it points to the fact that the new guy was forcing a different system upon Nolan. Maybe that's the reason for the late season collapse of the defense.


Hmmmm.

You need both. Talent that isn't put in position to make plays will not be good. A scheme with a lack of talent will be exposed eventually.

Just like Denver's Defense has past 10 years. Again you can scheme thru 6-8 weeks then it rely's on talent regardless of who the coach is. It isn't just some dumb luck that Denver's D has sucked throughout the 2nd half of season's regardless of who the Defensive coordinators were. Talent is way more important than scheme's or coaching in my opinion. It wasn't McD or Nolan's fault that the lack of talent couldn't execute the gameplan and consistently win one on one battles like you need to do down the stretch.

tsiguy96
01-28-2010, 02:26 PM
This goes against EVERYTHING my Redskins and 9ers fans told me before the season started, when I asked them about him.

its because this guy doesnt know anything about nolan. the nolan defense is NOT the one from the first 6 weeks, tahts a rex ryan-esque defense. nolan is more on sound playing from all 3 levels that equates to solid, strict football, not blitzing or bringing different areas of pressure etc.

colonelbeef
01-28-2010, 02:31 PM
I think he is a good choice and understands the "chain of command" and that can't be all bad.....

Yeah. We don't need bright individuals who bring something to the table. We need yes men.

God, the stupidity never ends.

Br0nc0Buster
01-28-2010, 02:33 PM
This goes against EVERYTHING my Redskins and 9ers fans told me before the season started, when I asked them about him.

because its a bull**** article

Nolan is not known for his aggressiveness and was even criticized for being too passive in Washington

I knew the scheme was Josh's despite the fact the Patriots run something different
This doesnt mean that Nolan is gonna go all passive again, just that we wont

strafen
01-28-2010, 02:36 PM
I think he is a good choice and understands the "chain of command" and that can't be all bad.....Yup, I think he's got his yes-sirs already cued up for little napoleon when he has to use them to keep his job...

yerner
01-28-2010, 02:36 PM
Yuck.

strafen
01-28-2010, 02:37 PM
This goes against EVERYTHING my Redskins and 9ers fans told me before the season started, when I asked them about him.Why are you talking now?
did you say anything back when Nolan was first hired?
Is that because what you saw went against what your friends told you?
Just curious...

Florida_Bronco
01-28-2010, 02:38 PM
Why are you talking now?
did you say anything back when Nolan was first hired?
Just curious...

I don't know about Beantown, but there was alot of talk (and complaining) about his read and react defense when he was first hired. Posters like Med and Drek even commented on it during the 6-0 start.

strafen
01-28-2010, 02:41 PM
I hear it only takes 6 games.LOL
Yup, that's why we need to draft another RB with our first pick next April...

worm
01-28-2010, 02:44 PM
nolan is more on sound playing from all 3 levels that equates to solid, strict football, not blitzing or bringing different areas of pressure etc.


...and yet the quotes from Ozzie Newsome, BDawk and Elvis in that article disagree with that idea.

jhns
01-28-2010, 02:44 PM
Just like Denver's Defense has past 10 years. Again you can scheme thru 6-8 weeks then it rely's on talent regardless of who the coach is. It isn't just some dumb luck that Denver's D has sucked throughout the 2nd half of season's regardless of who the Defensive coordinators were. Talent is way more important than scheme's or coaching in my opinion. It wasn't McD or Nolan's fault that the lack of talent couldn't execute the gameplan and consistently win one on one battles like you need to do down the stretch.

I don't agree. Without a good coach or scheme, the defense won't be good no matter the talent. You have to have a guy that calls the correct plays and puts those good players in position to make plays. It doesn't matter what part of the season. If you have bad coaching you will be bad throughout the year rather than just the end. You need both. One or the other won't cut it.

strafen
01-28-2010, 02:46 PM
I don't know about Beantown, but there was alot of talk (and complaining) about his read and react defense when he was first hired. Posters like Med and Drek even commented on it during the 6-0 start.There was nothing major wrong with our defense.
What Nolan did in just one year was remarkable
Without talent, he was going to be fighting an uphill battle to keep this defense solid.
Yet, statistically, we improved dramatically, and that's all you can ask for.
Another year in his system and with some new talent, there's no telling what it would have been.

And before people start blaming Nolan for our 2-8 record and epic collapse in the last 10 games, you need to look at the numbers that both Moreno and Orton put on behalf of the offense during the same period of time to really have a better grasp where the faults lies on this one...

strafen
01-28-2010, 02:47 PM
its because this guy doesnt know anything about nolan. the nolan defense is NOT the one from the first 6 weeks, tahts a rex ryan-esque defense. nolan is more on sound playing from all 3 levels that equates to solid, strict football, not blitzing or bringing different areas of pressure etc.

i guess the fact that dumervil had 17 sacks got nothing to do with presseure and blitzing, huh?
just sayin...

Florida_Bronco
01-28-2010, 02:49 PM
There was nothing major wrong with our defense.
What Nolan did in just one year was remarkable
Without talent, he was going to be fighting an uphill battle to keep this defense solid.
Yet, statistically, we improved dramatically, and that's all you can ask for.
Another year in his system and with some new talent, there's no telling what it would have been.

And before people start blaming Nolan for our 2-8 record and epic collapse in the last 10 games, you need to look at the numbers that both Moreno and Orton put on behalf of the offense during the same period of time to really have a better grasp where the faults lies on this one...

Who is blaming Nolan?

DenverBrit
01-28-2010, 03:23 PM
There was nothing major wrong with our defense.
What Nolan did in just one year was remarkable
Without talent, he was going to be fighting an uphill battle to keep this defense solid.
Yet, statistically, we improved dramatically, and that's all you can ask for.
Another year in his system and with some new talent, there's no telling what it would have been.

And before people start blaming Nolan for our 2-8 record and epic collapse in the last 10 games, you need to look at the numbers that both Moreno and Orton put on behalf of the offense during the same period of time to really have a better grasp where the faults lies on this one...


LOL
You should just stop posting....seriously!!

tsiguy96
01-28-2010, 03:27 PM
i guess the fact that dumervil had 17 sacks got nothing to do with presseure and blitzing, huh?
just sayin...

are you so stupid you cant understand the concept of this discussion? nolan is not known for his blitzing or his aggressiveness, yes that is what we did this year but thats what mcd said he wanted even before a coordinator was hired. nolan changed to fit what mcd wanted, hence hte reason dumerville had i think 10 sacks in the first 6 games, and only 7 after. theres more evidence that we ran the scheme mcd wanted than anything else.

jhns
01-28-2010, 03:38 PM
are you so stupid you cant understand the concept of this discussion? nolan is not known for his blitzing or his aggressiveness, yes that is what we did this year but thats what mcd said he wanted even before a coordinator was hired. nolan changed to fit what mcd wanted, hence hte reason dumerville had i think 10 sacks in the first 6 games, and only 7 after. theres more evidence that we ran the scheme mcd wanted than anything else.

I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about.

bpc
01-28-2010, 03:41 PM
I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about.

It wouldn't be the first or the tenth time.

DBroncos4life
01-28-2010, 03:53 PM
It wouldn't be the first or the tenth time.

I'm on board with that :thumbsup:

tsiguy96
01-28-2010, 04:02 PM
funny, the previous 3 cant really counter the argument, so they just go to insults. good way to prove your point :)

some of the most knowledgeable posters on this forum agree that nolans defenses are historically not aggressive, no where near to the point we were weeks 1-6, and you guys resort to insults to prove youre point. haters will be haters i guess.

DBroncos4life
01-28-2010, 04:11 PM
funny, the previous 3 cant really counter the argument, so they just go to insults. good way to prove your point :)

some of the most knowledgeable posters on this forum agree that nolans defenses are historically not aggressive, no where near to the point we were weeks 1-6, and you guys resort to insults to prove youre point. haters will be haters i guess.

How is jhns saying I really don't think you have a clue what you are talking about an insult?

Drek
01-28-2010, 04:13 PM
Why are you talking now?
did you say anything back when Nolan was first hired?
Is that because what you saw went against what your friends told you?
Just curious...

Actually I recall Beantown talking about that EXACTLY when we hired Nolan.

Maybe you missed it what with joining last January and all.

...and yet the quotes from Ozzie Newsome, BDawk and Elvis in that article disagree with that idea.

Dawkins and Elvis have only played in the McDaniels/Nolan defense, not something created entirely by Nolan.

Newsome also never said he ran an aggressive defense, just that he knew how to mix up bringing pressure. Which he does.

No one is saying that Nolan is a crappy DC. If they are they don't know what they're talking about. But is method of bringing pressure is based more on misdirection and surprise versus a Steelers, Chargers, or Cowboys 3-4 where both OLBs are pounding towards the QB nearly every down.

In Nolan's typical system he typically brings 4 or 5 guys from the front seven and really likes to mix in safety and nickel blitzes. Hence Dawkins' comment that Yeremiah Bell will really like the scheme. The weak side OLB (Doom's role) almost always gets sent and is basically treaded like a rush end.

Conversely, his strong side OLB is often asked to do a hell of a lot more than just that. Consider Adalius Thomas' career under Nolan. He did put up some good sack numbers at times, but he was lauded for his versatility, not his straight pass rushing ability, and Nolan played him in coverage at least as much as he did as a pass rusher.

Early in the season Doom saw a lot of success when the OLB opposite him brought pressure too. As the season wore on we did that less and less, and so Doom had fewer times where the QB got flushed towards him and/or had the pocket sealed off so the QB couldn't escape.

This didn't happen because McDaniels and Nolan where clashing on schema. This happened because teams like the Ravens and Steelers, with their big OLs, looked at our team and saw a defensive front three they could easily push around. At that point we where forced to make guys like Reid, Haggans, and Ayers stop blitzing and instead start playing read and react defense to protect us from runs and short yardage passing.

Unfortunately there isn't a linebacking crew in the NFL good enough to cover up for the lack of talent in our DL. Fields isn't a bad NT, but he's a rotational guy, not a starter, and using him like one over exposes him. Kenny Peterson is a solid player but he can't be asked to set the edges for a guy like Doom against quality lines, they'll school him. Vonnie Holliday is a good 3-4 DE but only as a situational pass rusher. Anything more and he's too gassed to produce that very important benefit.

The two biggest things this defense needs to become reliably productive is an NT who can play all three downs and only needs Fields to spell him occasionally, and a DE who can play all three downs and move the LOS backwards with consistency.

Vince Wilfork and Richard Seymour happen to be two FAs who can both do that, but we'll see whether they get tagged or not. In the draft you have Dan Williams and maybe (probably not) Terence Cody for the first job, Suh (yeah right), McCoy, and a few other lesser options for the second. Unless the coaching staff sees something special in Baker or Paulescu (be hard, wasn't he on IR all year)? We've got to find a way to work some real magic on the DL over the off-season.

TheReverend
01-28-2010, 04:32 PM
Just a quick Mane search function click and pulling some different articles on Nolan and quotes from players and himself about his system


Oct 6:

"We're a disciplined group," said Dawkins, who turns 36 on Oct. 13. "All of us are coachable and when (Nolan) says something about stopping a team, we all believe and buy into it."

That's because Nolan spreads the wealth, devising a game plan each week that entices the interest of players.

"Everyone wants the ball on offense, so you've got to spread it around," said Nolan, who's been a defensive coordinator for Baltimore, Washington, the Jets and the Giants. "On defense, it's a little bit of the same way when you play the 3-4: guys want their number called, where they get to blitz and get to do some of the fun things."

Elvis Dumervil has been thriving in Nolan's system, using his long arms and low center of gravity off the edge of the line as a hybrid defensive end/outside linebacker. Dumervil sacked Romo twice on Sunday, giving him eight this season and tying him for the league lead.

"I've been blessed to be in this situation," Dumervil said. "The defensive scheme is excellent."

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=85215&highlight=Nolan

Hilarious O-Mane poll... wish it were public so we could see more of the FO zombies who flip-flopped opinions:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2473

Some evidence that shows he may have had some serious influence on our FA acquisitions on the defensive side of the ball:

"When you are building something, the most experienced group that you'd like to start with you'd like to have on the back end, in the secondary, because obviously when they make a mistake it's a touchdown as opposed to the front," he said. "From a secondary standpoint, it was critical that we get experienced guys. Not only good players but guys with experience."

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=9149

The most telling quote, imo, goes wayyyyyyyy back to August:

On McDaniels hiring him to run the defense: “Hiring me he had a vision, he wanted it to look like something, and hopefully we’re giving him that vision. We are, and it starts with the scheme.”

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=82589&highlight=Nolan

TheReverend
01-28-2010, 04:32 PM
Apparently... they got some wires crossed in that vision.

bpc
01-28-2010, 04:54 PM
Nolan brushes with Crest, McDaniels with Colgate.

"Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out Mike!"

TheReverend
01-28-2010, 05:00 PM
Another good quote, this time from Josh pre-hire:

On what defensive scheme he may use
“Once the coordinator is named we will discuss the personnel that we have here and the direction that we want to go. I don’t necessarily think that it is always the same based on what they have done in the past. They may have personnel that is more suited for one scheme but you may want to start to go towards another. There are going to have to be some decisions made in the near future with where we want to go here in the long term. We want to have a consistent scheme. As somebody who has played against this team for quite a few years here—I have had the opportunity to play them five or six times in New England—the scheme and the system has changed quite a bit and we want to bring some consistency to that and make sure to improve whatever that scheme is from day one.”

DBroncos4life
01-28-2010, 05:02 PM
Tsi who do you think was calling the shots during week 1-6 and who do you think was calling the shots after the bye week?

DenverBrit
01-28-2010, 05:08 PM
“Hiring me he had a vision, he wanted it to look like something, and hopefully we’re giving him that vision.

Sounds as though McDaniels was clear in what he wanted and Nolan obliged.

Hopefully, Martindale will maintain the scheme and get the D to re-focus.

But little will change unless Denver brings in more talent.

Inkana7
01-28-2010, 05:10 PM
Tsi who do you think was calling the shots during week 1-6 and who do you think was calling the shots after the bye week?

Nothing changed after the bye. Besides the fact that we're a team not too deep with talent. I don't know why that's so hard to get through people's heads. There was no drastic handing over of power. Jesus.

tsiguy96
01-28-2010, 05:36 PM
Tsi who do you think was calling the shots during week 1-6 and who do you think was calling the shots after the bye week?

the same people before and after. the team didnt suddenyl change what it was doing before and after the bye. the talent level was exposed and defense couldnt keep up. but for everyone saying that mcdaniels took over defensive play calling after the bye and STOPPED blitzing is ridiculous, mcdaniels MO is to be aggressive, not read and react

DBroncos4life
01-28-2010, 06:03 PM
the same people before and after. the team didnt suddenyl change what it was doing before and after the bye. the talent level was exposed and defense couldnt keep up. but for everyone saying that mcdaniels took over defensive play calling after the bye and STOPPED blitzing is ridiculous, mcdaniels MO is to be aggressive, not read and react

Didn't you say we were way more aggressive weeks 1-6 then Nolan was historically?

I understand that teams figure other teams out but still they need to have talent to beat us as well. Pitt, Balt, Indy and SD are all talented teams. Washington having it's way with our D is troubling. The fact is they had two 100 yard rushers all year. Portis was one against KC and Betts against us. Washington's O-Line was crap this year. They had 1500 total rushing yards as a team good for 27th in the NFL. 3 out our 8 losses came by teams not superior enough in my mind to give our D the troubles they did with their O.

As far as the talent level goes Davis was the only player I initially thought was OK that we brought in to run the 3-4 anyways. Holliday was added later and he is proven the rest I viewed as back-up cast offs.

tsiguy96
01-28-2010, 06:25 PM
Didn't you say we were way more aggressive weeks 1-6 then Nolan was historically?

I understand that teams figure other teams out but still they need to have talent to beat us as well. Pitt, Balt, Indy and SD are all talented teams. Washington having it's way with our D is troubling. The fact is they had two 100 yard rushers all year. Portis was one against KC and Betts against us. Washington's O-Line was crap this year. They had 1500 total rushing yards as a team good for 27th in the NFL. 3 out our 8 losses came by teams not superior enough in my mind to give our D the troubles they did with their O.

As far as the talent level goes Davis was the only player I initially thought was OK that we brought in to run the 3-4 anyways. Holliday was added later and he is proven the rest I viewed as back-up cast offs.


we were more aggressive overall than nolan has been, but the first half of the season (including ravens and pitt games) really stick out as games we brought the heat. how many times did flacco get hit and spin out of it? shoulda had 5 or 6 sacks that game. i think thats when they dialed down the intensity it seemed.

TheReverend
01-28-2010, 07:33 PM
we were more aggressive overall than nolan has been, but the first half of the season (including ravens and pitt games) really stick out as games we brought the heat. how many times did flacco get hit and spin out of it? shoulda had 5 or 6 sacks that game. i think thats when they dialed down the intensity it seemed.

Which is amusing because the last time Nolan was a DC and not a HC you weren't even watching football yet.

But carry on.

Mediator12
01-28-2010, 07:38 PM
Wow, this starts getting partisan right away again. Gotta Love the Omane ;D

Let's just put this to bed. DC's have to be able to adjust their scheme to their personnel packages EVERY year. That is why Newsome says one thing, WAS fans say another, SF plays another, and DEN has a totally different result under Nolan. This was and still is a very aggressive scheme, that relied on RUN blitzes to stop the run instead of personnel that could simply play gap control Football. However, the defense had to get more conservative down the stretch as teams adjusted their offenses to combat that aggresiveness. The personnel simply could not stand up to their weaknesses down the stretch without the scheme advantages and the smoke and mirrors.

One thing is for sure, Nolan did an outstanding job of installation and coaching at the beginning of the season. What is unknown is why the defense all the sudden started making poor reads and all kinds of errors that Dawkins alluded to happening. From The article Rev posted it said all the guys were coachable, yet they made a tremendous amount of errors down the stretch compared to earlier in the season. That says one thing. Guys were trying to make plays and freelancing when they could not simply play their assignment and get the job done. That is what is called personnel exposure.

DEN has 3 guys on the probowl roster from their Defense who legitimately belong there. The problem is what about the other 8 starters and sub package players who get a ton of snaps? A defense is only as good as the weakest matchup that can be exploited by an offense. Well, that was what happened to DEN's defense once again last year down the stretch. Of those 9-11 players outside the legit probowlers, 6 of the starters would be classified as replacement level players by most personnel depts. That means they are not capable of winning their share of the one on one's versus other teams starters. This would be the whole DL, one OLB, one ILB, and one safety. The sub package players were also below average and that includes the Nickel CB, Nickel LB, and all the nickel DL outside of Dumervil.

So, while everyone wants to try and guess whose scheme and playcalling it was that failed down the stretch, your missing the point IMHO. You can only scheme and coach up these types of players for so long before they are exposed to other good coaches. Those guys spend a lot of time looking for weaknesses and devising ways to exploit them. Eventually, it comes down to the personnel on defense and making sure people know and can execute their assignments. We all Know the defense was well prepared last year, they simply were not good enough as a unit to execute late in the year without the smoke and mirrors Nolan used so well early.

tsiguy96
01-28-2010, 07:39 PM
Which is amusing because the last time Nolan was a DC and not a HC you weren't even watching football yet.

But carry on.

did you know that nolan was calling the defense for teh 49ers, who failed miserably?

how about everyone else on this forum who agrees with me, do you insult them too since you cant do anything else, especially talk football? like i said in the other post, you CANT talk football, you make a 1 line insult in an attempt to be funny.

broncswin
01-28-2010, 07:47 PM
I'm speculating here but I believe the Broncos faltered down the stretch because McD started implementing HIS system after the bye week. There are TOO many coincidences that point to the new coach tinkering with the system in all three phases of the game.

I don't believe that the defense faltered due to poor coaching and scheming from Nolan.

If you read the article posted in this thread the new coach says, "The system won't change.". This says to me that the defense is and was running HIS system and not Nolan's. If the system was Nolan's how could it NOT change if he isn't here any more? That's right, it would have to change. For the new coach to say it WON'T change means the system they'll be running next near is the system they ran last year. If you add to that Nolan's departure due to philosophy differences then it points to the fact that the new guy was forcing a different system upon Nolan. Maybe that's the reason for the late season collapse of the defense.

Hmmmm.

I don't believe that, don't fix what isn't broken, it was about other teams starting to adjust to Nolan's D...we just didn't do a good job of adjusting ourselves...I put this on Nolan, McD and the players down the strech...I think McD had a first hand learing experience with the 2-8 stumbling finish...Lets hope he is smart enough to learn from it...I think he is:strong:

McDman
01-28-2010, 08:20 PM
Rev, that girl in your picture has a gorgeous back side, I hope you know her personally.

On topic, let's hope we can actually keep someone for more than a year and see how our system the system works out. It will be interesting to see if we will keep the 3-4 or not.

WolfpackGuy
01-28-2010, 08:23 PM
Washington having it's way with our D is troubling.


That game was well in hand before the fake FG and Orton injury.

To not cover a fake after the Skins SHOWED fake then called timeout was HORRIBLE.

The fake got the Skins into the game, and Chris Simms did everything he could to keep the defense on the field.

baja
01-28-2010, 08:33 PM
He can and should do both.

OK you're off iggy...

OCBronco
01-28-2010, 08:40 PM
Not that it matters or means anything, but the last time the Broncos promoted their linebackers coach to DC, it turned out pretty well.

bombay
01-28-2010, 08:56 PM
From what I can gather, the players wanted him.

That's good enough, I think.

SoCalBronco
01-28-2010, 10:03 PM
It is what it is, I guess.

TheReverend
01-28-2010, 10:26 PM
did you know that nolan was calling the defense for teh 49ers, who failed miserably?

how about everyone else on this forum who agrees with me, do you insult them too since you cant do anything else, especially talk football? like i said in the other post, you CANT talk football, you make a 1 line insult in an attempt to be funny.

:rofl:

Nerve hit, little girl?

strafen
01-28-2010, 10:37 PM
LOL
You should just stop posting....seriously!!Scheme wise, there was not any glaring problem(s), talent wise there was pleanty.
That's what I meant and what really matters, you have a system that delivers, the rest is up to the headcoach to supply the talent.
The progress we've made on defense was due in most part to the system, not from the talent of lack thereof...

strafen
01-28-2010, 10:38 PM
Who is blaming Nolan?tsi is. He's been throwing him under the bus.
what, can't you read now? :rofl:

strafen
01-28-2010, 10:40 PM
are you so stupid you cant understand the concept of this discussion? nolan is not known for his blitzing or his aggressiveness, yes that is what we did this year but thats what mcd said he wanted even before a coordinator was hired. nolan changed to fit what mcd wanted, hence hte reason dumerville had i think 10 sacks in the first 6 games, and only 7 after. theres more evidence that we ran the scheme mcd wanted than anything else.

Not more stupid than what you've shown, but keep dancing around the issue. To say McDaniels was directing the defense scheme just makes you look more stupid...

http://www.souvenircitysportsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/josh-mcdaniels.jpg

Popps
01-29-2010, 01:39 AM
Wow, this starts getting partisan right away again. Gotta Love the Omane ;D

Let's just put this to bed. DC's have to be able to adjust their scheme to their personnel packages EVERY year. That is why Newsome says one thing, WAS fans say another, SF plays another, and DEN has a totally different result under Nolan. This was and still is a very aggressive scheme, that relied on RUN blitzes to stop the run instead of personnel that could simply play gap control Football. However, the defense had to get more conservative down the stretch as teams adjusted their offenses to combat that aggresiveness. The personnel simply could not stand up to their weaknesses down the stretch without the scheme advantages and the smoke and mirrors.

One thing is for sure, Nolan did an outstanding job of installation and coaching at the beginning of the season. What is unknown is why the defense all the sudden started making poor reads and all kinds of errors that Dawkins alluded to happening. From The article Rev posted it said all the guys were coachable, yet they made a tremendous amount of errors down the stretch compared to earlier in the season. That says one thing. Guys were trying to make plays and freelancing when they could not simply play their assignment and get the job done. That is what is called personnel exposure.

DEN has 3 guys on the probowl roster from their Defense who legitimately belong there. The problem is what about the other 8 starters and sub package players who get a ton of snaps? A defense is only as good as the weakest matchup that can be exploited by an offense. Well, that was what happened to DEN's defense once again last year down the stretch. Of those 9-11 players outside the legit probowlers, 6 of the starters would be classified as replacement level players by most personnel depts. That means they are not capable of winning their share of the one on one's versus other teams starters. This would be the whole DL, one OLB, one ILB, and one safety. The sub package players were also below average and that includes the Nickel CB, Nickel LB, and all the nickel DL outside of Dumervil.

So, while everyone wants to try and guess whose scheme and playcalling it was that failed down the stretch, your missing the point IMHO. You can only scheme and coach up these types of players for so long before they are exposed to other good coaches. Those guys spend a lot of time looking for weaknesses and devising ways to exploit them. Eventually, it comes down to the personnel on defense and making sure people know and can execute their assignments. We all Know the defense was well prepared last year, they simply were not good enough as a unit to execute late in the year without the smoke and mirrors Nolan used so well early.



Excellent, Med. Posts like this make this place worth visiting.

watermock
01-29-2010, 02:18 AM
Meh, We keep the offense intact and draft Green and bring in Nolan along with 6 of 9 picks on D instead of O, we are still running.

Jesterhole
01-29-2010, 05:01 AM
Great, so he fires the guy he really wanted, and just when we think he is about to get the guy he wants to replace him, he bolts. So now we settle. Kinda like when Larry Coyer was promoted and nothing much happened. Yep.

watermock
01-29-2010, 05:10 AM
It's a joke around the league.

Next thing ya know, he'll be promoting his brother to QB coach Ha!

PRBronco
01-29-2010, 06:23 AM
Great, so he fires the guy he really wanted, and just when we think he is about to get the guy he wants to replace him, he bolts. So now we settle. Kinda like when Larry Coyer was promoted and nothing much happened. Yep.

What a fantastically uninformed post. What's your source, the comments section of PFT?

Cito Pelon
01-29-2010, 06:41 AM
he better be renting

That's right, 'cause stupidhead poopyface Doogie Howser will fire him after training camp, you just wait and see!!! Yeah you just wait, then Shanny will hire him and he'll win like 4 SB trophies INA ROW!!!!!!

Dagmar
01-29-2010, 06:44 AM
Meh, We keep the offense intact and draft Green and bring in Nolan along with 6 of 9 picks on D instead of O, we are still running.

http://www.facepalm.org/img.php

broncocalijohn
10-08-2010, 10:28 AM
Funny, I was going to bump this last night so when Dagmar had the poll, it was time to see who backed the hiring. Irony is Dagmar was the last to post in this thread.