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Dagmar
01-27-2010, 11:47 AM
What is the iPad?

Appears to be a big mutherfugging ipod Touch!

http://i47.tinypic.com/mhtugg.jpg

Br0nc0Buster
01-27-2010, 11:49 AM
"Hey lets take like an ipod.....but make it bigger"

"You have a gift my friend, brilliant!"

Dagmar
01-27-2010, 11:50 AM
A response to this.

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq315/fanciadrive/appletabletb89.jpg

You know what that is? A problem that never existed.

Dagmar
01-27-2010, 11:51 AM
Its too small to be:
A decent family video viewer (for example a TV)
A decent music player (like a stereo)
A proper email client (like a laptop or PC)

Its too big to be:

A portable music player
A portable video player
A portable email client

Hell, a portable anything.

So what exactly are people going to do with it? Buy it and keep it at home?

WABronco
01-27-2010, 11:53 AM
Damn people are so trendy these days!

ColoradoDarin
01-27-2010, 11:54 AM
Better name than their first try - the iPon

HAT
01-27-2010, 11:54 AM
I'm following the live blog at Gizmodo.....Not a fan boy by any means (don't have an iphone/touch or Mac.

It's interesting but I agree...Don't see a real need. Wonder what the price point will be?

WolfpackGuy
01-27-2010, 11:58 AM
Great, now Apple has feminine hygiene covered.

I bet Tampax is going to come out with something soon as well.

Archer81
01-27-2010, 11:58 AM
Its the apple version of the amazon kindle. Electronic books, newspapers and magazines.

:Broncos:

TonyR
01-27-2010, 12:01 PM
For $699 (my guesstimate) you can find out all about it first hand.

Dagmar
01-27-2010, 12:02 PM
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq315/fanciadrive/appletabletb89.jpg

=

http://m2.wnymedia.net/files/2009/02/underpants-gnomes.jpg

Jerry Curl
01-27-2010, 12:03 PM
http://live.gizmodo.com/

It has books/kindle like stuff but also has full apps/games/internet and whatnot.

Dagmar
01-27-2010, 12:06 PM
http://assets.vg247.com/current//2010/01/iPad.jpg

The ****ing size of it!

HAT
01-27-2010, 12:06 PM
The Microsoft Courier (if real)...looks far more interesting & useful to me.

http://www.concept-phones.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Microsoft_Courier_Tablet_1.jpg

Dual screen, fold-able to protect the screens, touch AND stylus input (handwriting recognition), could even use it in landscape to function as a netbook with a touch screen keyboard on the bottom half with the upper half serving as a traditional laptop screen.

eReader, journal, day planner, media, gaming, netbook all in one.

iPad? Meh.

worm
01-27-2010, 12:07 PM
Would make an awesome multimedia\jukebox\htpc\Lutron remote.

I use an iTouch right now as a remote for my squeezebox (Ipeng). It rocks.

This would be even better. You could have a complete media skin for it.

WolfpackGuy
01-27-2010, 12:07 PM
The ****ing size of it!

I know, it looks like a Speak and Spell.

gtown
01-27-2010, 12:09 PM
The iPad is a netbook with a cooler interface. That is it.

Archer81
01-27-2010, 12:11 PM
I have had my Ipod touch for nearly a year. It was hard to justify spending $300. Why would people spend $700 for a Kindle with apps?

:Broncos:

HAT
01-27-2010, 12:12 PM
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Dagmar
01-27-2010, 12:14 PM
I have had my Ipod touch for nearly a year. It was hard to justify spending $300. Why would people spend $700 for a Kindle with apps?

:Broncos:

The price hasn't been announced yet...

Archer81
01-27-2010, 12:15 PM
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Now that looks very cool. Be perfect for college.


:Broncos:

Archer81
01-27-2010, 12:16 PM
The price hasn't been announced yet...


Guestimate.

Will it be like other Ipods? Price varies depending on memory?


:Broncos:

Dagmar
01-27-2010, 12:16 PM
11:16 ipad will have 3g! Two plans 250 mb of data a month $14.99, unlimited plan for just $29.99 a month - deal is with at&t (http://www.ismashphone.com/2010/01/apple-event-live-blog-wednesday-10am-pst-iphone-os-4-apple-tablet.html#).
:i

Dagmar
01-27-2010, 12:16 PM
Guestimate.

Will it be like other Ipods? Price varies depending on memory?


:Broncos:

Will be announced within the next few minutes I guess.

Archer81
01-27-2010, 12:17 PM
:i


I read on IGN that Verizon is also working on a deal with Apple, but that was before the Ipad was shown.


:Broncos:

gtown
01-27-2010, 12:20 PM
$499 starting for non 3G. The 3G models cost an extra $130, so $629, $729 and $829 for the 3G-capable models based on memory size.

Dagmar
01-27-2010, 12:21 PM
iPad price starts at $499 for the 16GB version, $599 for 32GB and $699 for 64GB

Garcia Bronco
01-27-2010, 12:22 PM
I like my iPhone, but this defeats the purpose. I might as well get a netbook, which this basically is, but get the PC version for a more robust product.

Archer81
01-27-2010, 12:22 PM
iPad price starts at $499 for the 16GB version, $599 for 32GB and $699 for 64GB


Nifty...



:Broncos:

Man-Goblin
01-27-2010, 12:22 PM
iPad price starts at $499 for the 16GB version, $599 for 32GB and $699 for 64GB

But you have to sign a contract too with whatever broadband provider they get in bed with, right?

HAT
01-27-2010, 12:23 PM
But you have to sign a contract too with whatever broadband provider they get in bed with, right?

no contract.

Archer81
01-27-2010, 12:24 PM
But you have to sign a contract too with whatever broadband provider they get in bed with, right?


Apparently there is a rumor floating around that Apple is working on deals with Verizon, which also includes the I-Phone.

But if you already have Wi-fi at home, why shell out money for AT&T or Verizon?


:Broncos:

HAT
01-27-2010, 12:24 PM
http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/appletablet/appletabletb543.jpg

http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/appletablet/appletabletb525.jpg

Dagmar
01-27-2010, 12:25 PM
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/apple-creation-0384-rm-eng.jpg

Requiem
01-27-2010, 12:27 PM
My Gateway laptop that I've had for four years of college is almost ready to die and I've been really excited about the new technological innovations coming out. While the "iPad" seems interesting, it lacks a lot of things I'm looking for in a next generation device. I had this talk with my buddy last night.

I'm really digging the new netbooks, a lot of them are coming with better battery life (8-10 hours, if not more) and are pretty comfortable to type on. Some netbook tablets are even being rumored as well. Definitely going to wait until I'm done with school to get the next innovation, but I never cease to be amazed with the products people are pumping out!

HAT
01-27-2010, 12:33 PM
My Gateway laptop that I've had for four years of college is almost ready to die and I've been really excited about the new technological innovations coming out. While the "iPad" seems interesting, it lacks a lot of things I'm looking for in a next generation device. I had this talk with my buddy last night.

I'm really digging the new netbooks, a lot of them are coming with better battery life (8-10 hours, if not more) and are pretty comfortable to type on. Some netbook tablets are even being rumored as well. Definitely going to wait until I'm done with school to get the next innovation, but I never cease to be amazed with the products people are pumping out!

I wouldn't waste my money on a netbook either. You can get a 11.6" or 13.3" ultra light for a few hundy more ($500-600).
Kkeyboards are like 95% full size, much powerful processors, 8-10 hour battery life, an inch thick and a footprint not much bigger than an 8-1/2" x 11" pad of paper.

Man-Goblin
01-27-2010, 12:35 PM
http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/appletablet/appletabletb543.jpg

http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/appletablet/appletabletb525.jpg

Very interesting. Unlimited 3G data for 29.99? Per year?

Dagmar
01-27-2010, 12:36 PM
Very interesting. Unlimited 3G data for 29.99? Per year?

A month I thought.

Man-Goblin
01-27-2010, 12:40 PM
A month I thought.

Yeah, probably. Makes sense.

HAT
01-27-2010, 12:40 PM
Per month.

Same price as most smart phone data plans but who's going to pay that twice if you already carry a smart phone? And I wonder if that is truly unlimited or 5GB unlimited like all the smart phone plans.

gyldenlove
01-27-2010, 12:46 PM
http://assets.vg247.com/current//2010/01/iPad.jpg

The ****ing size of it!

It is actually quite small, the problem is that they had Steve Jobs 1/7th scale clone pose with it which makes it look large and ungainly. If the real Steve Jobs had held it it would look as sleek as a piece of celery.

Requiem
01-27-2010, 12:46 PM
I wouldn't waste my money on a netbook either. You can get a 11.6" or 13.3" ultra light for a few hundy more ($500-600).
Kkeyboards are like 95% full size, much powerful processors, 8-10 hour battery life, an inch thick and a footprint not much bigger than an 8-1/2" x 11" pad of paper.

I hear you. The drawback on the netbooks right now are many lack HDMI and don't have an optical drive. I'm really picky when it comes to things like this, and enjoy a good look as much as I do performance. I'm a fan of this little guy right here, the design is beautiful and I like the specs. (http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529668398.php)

If I can do word processing, Photoshop and listen to music and surf the net like I do on an archaic laptop with 512MB of ram and ****ty specs, I'm willing to bet this is worth the upgrade.

gyldenlove
01-27-2010, 12:47 PM
http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/appletablet/appletabletb543.jpg

http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/appletablet/appletabletb525.jpg

64 gigs? my left testicle has more hard drive space than that. Who the hell thought it would be cool to make something that people in the last century would find just right but not excessive?

OBF1
01-27-2010, 12:58 PM
I am going to buy one just to piss off Dagmar

HAT
01-27-2010, 12:59 PM
These freaking carriers just need to realize that they are dumb pipes and charge us a single 3G data fee no matter how it is accessed.....Smart phone, tablet, netbook, etc.

Verizon's Pre just came out and you can use the phone's 3G as a wifi hotspot to connect up to 5 other devices.

Awesome feature but they totally screwed up the implementation. $30/month for the phones data plan but then they want an extra $40/month to use the tethering feature. Say what? The hotspot feature costs more than the original data plan when it is simply using the original data plan?

Just charge me $50/month for truly unlimited data (not this 5GB 'unlimited' crap) no matter how I access it and call it a day.

Requiem
01-27-2010, 01:00 PM
Data plan things are stupid. Just a price rape no doubt.

HAT
01-27-2010, 01:11 PM
I hear you. The drawback on the netbooks right now are many lack HDMI and don't have an optical drive. I'm really picky when it comes to things like this, and enjoy a good look as much as I do performance. I'm a fan of this little guy right here, the design is beautiful and I like the specs. (http://www.gateway.com/systems/product/529668398.php)

If I can do word processing, Photoshop and listen to music and surf the net like I do on an archaic laptop with 512MB of ram and ****ty specs, I'm willing to bet this is worth the upgrade.

Good looking machine. My next lappy is going to be my main machine though so I need more power and a bigger keyboard.

Something like this Asus:
http://www.amazon.com/UL30A-X5-Light-13-3-Inch-Black-Laptop/dp/B002P3KMVC

12 hour battery life and still pretty small @ 12.9 x 9.3 x 1 inches ; 3.7 pounds. It's got an HDMI port but no optical drive. (Which I don't think is a big deal these days since you can stream or download just about everything)

WyoMadrid
01-27-2010, 01:14 PM
People in Boston are going to be so confused... "This isn't what I asked fah! I thaaht these things were supposed to fit in your paacket?"

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-27-2010, 01:15 PM
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Popps
01-27-2010, 01:18 PM
Looks pretty cool. Not sure I'll have a need for one, as I already have 3 Macs at home and my Macbook Pro for mobile work. My wife's 7 year old Powerbook is getting sluggish, though. So, this might be a nice option for her.

Price is definitely right. Not wild about the data-plan monthly cost, but I wonder if that's mandatory... or could you just use wifi?

Garcia Bronco
01-27-2010, 01:20 PM
Looks pretty cool. Not sure I'll have a need for one, as I already have 3 Macs at home and my Macbook Pro for mobile work. My wife's 7 year old Powerbook is getting sluggish, though. So, this might be a nice option for her.

Price is definitely right. Not wild about the data-plan monthly cost, but I wonder if that's mandatory... or could you just use wifi?

I would get the 3g/wifi one just to have the option later on. It's a giant iphone/ipod/touch. Anything you iphone does this will do and maybe a little more.

gyldenlove
01-27-2010, 01:39 PM
Good looking machine. My next lappy is going to be my main machine though so I need more power and a bigger keyboard.

Something like this Asus:
http://www.amazon.com/UL30A-X5-Light-13-3-Inch-Black-Laptop/dp/B002P3KMVC

12 hour battery life and still pretty small @ 12.9 x 9.3 x 1 inches ; 3.7 pounds. It's got an HDMI port but no optical drive. (Which I don't think is a big deal these days since you can stream or download just about everything)

I bet you are also going to need something that will run actual programs, not just apps.

HAT
01-27-2010, 01:49 PM
I bet you are also going to need something that will run actual programs, not just apps.

Not following you?

Req. and I got a little OT by talking about laptops. That ultralight I was talking about is a fully functioning Windows 7 machine.

bowtown
01-27-2010, 01:56 PM
I bet you are also going to need something that will run actual programs, not just apps.

What exactly do you mean by actual programs? All actual programs run on it will be apps.

gyldenlove
01-27-2010, 01:57 PM
Not following you?

Req. and I got a little OT by talking about laptops. That ultralight I was talking about is a fully functioning Windows 7 machine.

I was talking about the ipad, it won't run actual software, only applets.

bowtown
01-27-2010, 02:04 PM
I was talking about the ipad, it won't run actual software, only applets.

It won't need to, that's not its audience. It can't replace your computer if you use your comp to do real work (design, edit, programming, etc.) It's a response to the new Google OS. I'm guessing everything most people will need to do with it will be done with applets and there will be a robust cloud system put in place. What kind of programs are you thinking of?

gyldenlove
01-27-2010, 02:09 PM
It won't need to, that's not its audience. It can't replace your computer if you use your comp to do real work (design, edit, programming, etc.) It's a response to the new Google OM. I'm guessing everything most people will need to do with it will be done with applets and there will be a robust cloud system put in place. What kind of programs are you thinking of?

Office, any kind of imaging software that is just marginally more than basic, movie editing software, even most graphic design programs and of course games.

Of course all speciality programs like math programs, programming software, CAD, financial and statistics programs.

Currently I would guess I have at least a dosen different programs on my laptop that would not port in any shape or form not including games and DVD software.

bowtown
01-27-2010, 02:14 PM
Office, any kind of imaging software that is just marginally more than basic, movie editing software, even most graphic design programs and of course games.

Of course all speciality programs like math programs, programming software, CAD, financial and statistics programs.

Currently I would guess I have at least a dosen different programs on my laptop that would not port in any shape or form not including games and DVD software.

Well they created a version of iWorks for it, so a lot of that stuff is taken care of there, but yes most of your other "specialty" programs and games are not going to work on it, nor does it have the space for them. Again though, that's not really the point of the device. It's not supposed to replace your computer unless your computer is a netbook or a MacBook. It's supposed to work in concert with your computer... as a scaled down portable version/eReader.

HAT
01-27-2010, 02:32 PM
v 2.0 is rumored to be a 13" screen called..........






















The Max iPad. ROFL!

Popps
01-27-2010, 02:58 PM
Well they created a version of iWorks for it, so a lot of that stuff is taken care of there, but yes most of your other "specialty" programs and games are not going to work on it, nor does it have the space for them. Again though, that's not really the point of the device. It's not supposed to replace your computer unless your computer is a netbook or a MacBook. It's supposed to work in concert with your computer... as a scaled down portable version/eReader.

Perfect breakdown.

I'll be interested to see how this sells. Particularly since I own a nice chunk of shares. :)

Looks like a winner, to me. Definitely a new product avenue... and should help kick up the app wars even more, which is great for the consumer.

Denver Bronco56
01-27-2010, 03:26 PM
I see this more so as a Digital Notebook, i plan to buy one for taking notes in class as well as studying with some tunes on...like a bigger version of an ipod touch that i can write on

titan
01-27-2010, 04:04 PM
Looks promising to me. I have a Kindle (like it) and this would have all of that ebook capability and more. I could see using it for travel instead of bringing my laptop (on the road I mostly just check email and write docs - this can do that plus it'll have the ebook capability. I'd still use my iphone for music). Looks like you can get wifi only without having to subscribe to a wireless 3g plan.

DeuceOfClub
01-27-2010, 04:06 PM
http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/appletablet/appletabletb543.jpg

Memory is so cheap today yet they charge you $100 more for 16GB.

Garcia Bronco
01-27-2010, 04:10 PM
Memory is so cheap today yet they charge you $100 more for 16GB.

While your point stands...you are talking about storage. Not memory. Theya re two different things ina computer.

Garcia Bronco
01-27-2010, 04:13 PM
Perfect breakdown.

I'll be interested to see how this sells. Particularly since I own a nice chunk of shares. :)

Looks like a winner, to me. Definitely a new product avenue... and should help kick up the app wars even more, which is great for the consumer.

I disagree. I don't thik this will sell well compared to the iphone, which is a different product. It hink if the highend one sells for 200 to 300 then you've got a hot cake that you won't be able to keep in stock.

Connecticut Bronco Fan
01-27-2010, 04:31 PM
http://i.imgur.com/5vREa.png

The MVPlaya
01-27-2010, 04:32 PM
This thing would have been better if it had a USB port... not having one just feels like you're tied down, making it more like an enlarged iPhone. But like people said, it's not the point. It's running the same OS as the iPhone anyways.

About the memory - this thing is using SSD, not a regular hard drive, so yeah, it is quite expensive. Go take a look at how much SSD's are if you buy it stand alone for your laptop.

About the 3G - it's not contract. They're treating it as a "pre paid" type service. So you don't have to sign a contract or use it every month. You can do it right from your iPad.

Boobs McGee
01-27-2010, 04:59 PM
http://i.imgur.com/5vrea.png

rofl!

elsid13
01-27-2010, 05:14 PM
I still don't get what you would use it for? Add to the fact that it on AT&T and I see this going thing going nowhere.

DenverBrit
01-27-2010, 06:18 PM
Ha!

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titan
01-27-2010, 06:21 PM
I still don't get what you would use it for? Add to the fact that it on AT&T and I see this going thing going nowhere.

I think it's going after the e-book market. It has more capabilities than the Kindle.

elsid13
01-27-2010, 06:25 PM
I think it's going after the e-book market. It has more capabilities than the Kindle.

So like for 600.00, I don't have to go to the bookstore and buy a book for 20.00? Great.

OABB
01-27-2010, 06:27 PM
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Popps
01-27-2010, 06:34 PM
This is a go-between between a computer and a smart phone.

For a lot of people, it won't have an appeal. But, think of your average 14-24 year old girl, and something like this servers a very specific purpose. Think of a business traveler who wants to stay connected without lugging a laptop around, or a college student who needs a internet device but doesn't want to go the laptop route.

It's not for everyone, but it's a pretty cool device... and it'll find a user-base. Tough to question Apple's read on the consumer, at this point. It won't be the next iPhone, but it'll represent a nice expansion to their product line.

Sassy
01-27-2010, 07:48 PM
Its the apple version of the amazon kindle. Electronic books, newspapers and magazines.

:Broncos:

Big deal. I can do all that on my touch.

atomicbloke
01-27-2010, 08:00 PM
Big deal. I can do all that on my touch.

Good luck reading a full novel on that tiny screen.

Sassy
01-27-2010, 08:09 PM
Good luck reading a full novel on that tiny screen.

Yeah the screen is smaller but I can flip it sideways and you can make the print larger.

Or I can listen to it as an audio book.

atomicbloke
01-27-2010, 08:34 PM
Yeah the screen is smaller but I can flip it sideways and you can make the print larger.

Or I can listen to it as an audio book.

Some of us prefer reading to listening.

And some of us prefer to see the whole page at once, and don't like scrolling 20 times on a single page. It's easier on the eyes.

Sassy
01-27-2010, 08:36 PM
Some of us prefer reading to listening.

And some of us prefer to see the whole page at once, and don't like scrolling 20 times on a single page. It's easier on the eyes.

oh well...to each his own.
I like REAL books better anyway...but the touch is a nice option for travel.

baja
01-27-2010, 08:46 PM
None of you have bothered to mention it is also an "Etch a Sketch"

TDmvp
01-27-2010, 09:16 PM
no usb , no flash , no thx ...
I'll wait till gen2 or 3 ...

Boobs McGee
01-27-2010, 09:50 PM
From the standpoint of not lugging around a laptop...it weighs a pound and a half, and I thought laptops nowadays were getting thinner and lighter? It just seems kind of an in-betweener that doesn't have the benefits of a phone, OR the versatility of a laptop.

The other qualm i have, is that it's an awfully large "screen" to take care of. Smartphones are hard enough to keep out of harms way, something with the surface area of a legal pad seems like it's asking for trouble

and p.s., they're calling it a tablet...but my contractor buddy's already got a laptop/tablet that he loves.

I PERSONALLY can't see the appeal, but I'm also the guy that thought twitter was gonna flame out after two months haha ;D

SportinOne
01-27-2010, 09:59 PM
A good laptop with a decent battery and a planner is all you need for college.. this is getting out of hand.

Boobs McGee
01-27-2010, 10:06 PM
I think THIS is going to be the future of computing and electronics....you could have these in restaurants, on walls in your house, at school, the possibilities are endless. And it came out, like, two years ago. Suprised we havent seen more of this technology yet



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yavoon
01-27-2010, 10:10 PM
I don't see the point.

Durango
01-27-2010, 10:31 PM
I'm thrilled with this innovation. I haul my Mac Book all over the God D*mned place and wanted something precisely like this to maintain on-going e-mail contact for business, reading, web browsing and even ultimately, phone.

I'm only disappointed it's not available today. I'm buying two the second I can.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-27-2010, 11:06 PM
If im in the market for an e-reader, i probably pick up a ipad. Other than that, im not sure the innovation. it reminds me of how they marketed a segway: "i bet you didnt realize there was a way to walk and drive at the same time! You dont need it, but you should want it."

atomicbloke
01-27-2010, 11:28 PM
I don't see the point.

There is no point of ice cream either.

Archer81
01-27-2010, 11:36 PM
I'm thrilled with this innovation. I haul my Mac Book all over the God D*mned place and wanted something precisely like this to maintain on-going e-mail contact for business, reading, web browsing and even ultimately, phone.

I'm only disappointed it's not available today. I'm buying two the second I can.


Steve Jobs, is that you?


:Broncos:

HAT
01-27-2010, 11:41 PM
I'm thrilled with this innovation. I haul my Mac Book all over the God D*mned place and wanted something precisely like this to maintain on-going e-mail contact for business, reading, web browsing and even ultimately, phone.

I'm only disappointed it's not available today. I'm buying two the second I can.

This is not innovation. It's lazy repackaging of an existing UI & platform.

I would consider getting one if I was in the market for a media player/eReader and it was around $300 for 64gb w/wifi.

Apple is not in this for the hardware sales...They just want to dominate digital book/newspaper/magazine distribution with the ibook store like they do with itunes & the app store.

If HP, Dell, Sony would've came to market first with the same exact machine yesterday...It would be an afterthought within 2 weeks.

No flash, no usb, no expansion slot, no camera, no multi-tasking.....This thing is a giant bucket of fail that some people will eat up just because it has an Apple logo on it.

Durango
01-28-2010, 12:32 AM
This is not innovation. It's lazy repackaging of an existing UI & platform.

I would consider getting one if I was in the market for a media player/eReader and it was around $300 for 64gb w/wifi.

Apple is not in this for the hardware sales...They just want to dominate digital book/newspaper/magazine distribution with the ibook store like they do with itunes & the app store.

If HP, Dell, Sony would've came to market first with the same exact machine yesterday...It would be an afterthought within 2 weeks.

No flash, no usb, no expansion slot, no camera, no multi-tasking.....This thing is a giant bucket of fail that some people will eat up just because it has an Apple logo on it.

No, sorry. Clearly, you either don't work, or you don't work on the road. This device is perfect for my needs. My needs. Not yours. Has nothing to do with Apple beyond the fact that I have some confidence in the product unlike my experiences with the PC over the years. Besides that little item, it's small, light and a hell of a lot easier to haul around than my laptop.

You don't like it, fine. You don't like Apple, fine. It fits my needs perfectly. I couldn't care less what it doesn't do for you.

atomicbloke
01-28-2010, 12:56 AM
No, sorry. Clearly, you either don't work, or you don't work on the road. This device is perfect for my needs. My needs. Not yours. Has nothing to do with Apple beyond the fact that I have some confidence in the product unlike my experiences with the PC over the years. Besides that little item, it's small, light and a hell of a lot easier to haul around than my laptop.

You don't like it, fine. You don't like Apple, fine. It fits my needs perfectly. I couldn't care less what it doesn't do for you.

Currently, the iPad has absolutely no use for me. So I am not going to buy one.

But I can predict what's going to happen. Soon developers will create apps that take advantage of the iPad's unique characteristics. There will be some killer apps, that I can't imagine or even visualize at the moment. Soon more and more people will be buying it as the popularity of the specific apps will increase.

And soon almost everyone around me will have one. It will become the default method of doing some things (as yet unimaginable). Once it reaches that critical mass, I'll end up buying it.

Folks who are dismissing the iPad are doing so after making a judgment of the device as is. What folks fail to realize is that this thing is going to evolve and get redefined many times over, not by Apple, but by 3rd party developers. It won't be just iPhone or iPod Touch apps stretched to fill up the large screen, it will be new apps that will specifically require the large screen and other features of the device. These apps won't fill a need, they will create a need.

When this device was announced, I was pretty underwhelmed. But the more I think of it, I more I realise the potential of this thing to evolve. These products are a new class of products that eventually end up being used in ways that the their designers never dreamed of.

Just like Twitter. It started out as a toy, a silly app, where kids could communicate what movie they are watching or if they just saw a cute chick or if they farted. But now the platform has evolved such that tt is now used during political campaigns, during legal proceedings, used in education,
used for reporting late-breaking news from war zones, used in emergencies like natural disasters or terrorist attacks, used in corporate public relations, used to survey opinions and is also used in space exploration by NASA. In fact more than 40% of Twitter users are in the 60-75 age group, making it the highest demographic. I am sure the designers of Twitter didn't design it thinking of these applications. But the product has been defined by users.

So my point is, it is way too early to tell how the iPad will evolve. The device itself is a very tiny apart of its definition. It will be defined by 3rd party app developers and users. And recent tech-history has taught us never to underestimate the ingenuity of the masses :flower:

yavoon
01-28-2010, 01:16 AM
There is no point of ice cream either.

it lets women eat their feelings?

Mr Chatterboodamn
01-28-2010, 02:25 AM
nsfw subtitles

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Binkythefrog
01-28-2010, 07:58 AM
A big problem with the Ipad is that so far there is no flash support. Now I know that flash sucks on a Mac. Flash is also not secure and also hogs resources. But unfortunately, so much of the internet uses flash.

However, this really strips down the computing experience and is perfect for people like my parents. While they don't hate technology, they don't need all the bells and whistles. They just want to browse the web occasionally, sometimes look at pictures and write a couple of personal emails a day.

I'm definitely intrigued, but will wait and see it person before I make a decision.

UberBroncoMan
01-28-2010, 11:02 AM
The Microsoft Courier (if real)...looks far more interesting & useful to me.

http://www.concept-phones.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Microsoft_Courier_Tablet_1.jpg

Dual screen, fold-able to protect the screens, touch AND stylus input (handwriting recognition), could even use it in landscape to function as a netbook with a touch screen keyboard on the bottom half with the upper half serving as a traditional laptop screen.

eReader, journal, day planner, media, gaming, netbook all in one.

iPad? Meh.

Yeah, I've been looking forward to that. Kicks the **** out of the iPad etc.

LittleFloyd
01-28-2010, 12:59 PM
I think my wife wears the Ipads once a month for about 4 days.

Play2win
01-28-2010, 04:32 PM
All I know is, I sure am going to love having all my textbooks for the semester on the thing. Much better than lugging the b!tches around wherever I go.

Jori
01-28-2010, 04:35 PM
A big problem with the Ipad is that so far there is no flash support. Now I know that flash sucks on a Mac. Flash is also not secure and also hogs resources. But unfortunately, so much of the internet uses flash.

However, this really strips down the computing experience and is perfect for people like my parents. While they don't hate technology, they don't need all the bells and whistles. They just want to browse the web occasionally, sometimes look at pictures and write a couple of personal emails a day.

I'm definitely intrigued, but will wait and see it person before I make a decision.

Lack of multitasking is a deal breaker for me, but lack of Flash is also disappointing. I'm also intrigued, but will wait for 2nd or 3rd gen models before taking the plunge.

Rock Chalk
01-28-2010, 04:38 PM
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DenverBrit
01-28-2010, 04:46 PM
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/4/2010/01/5b00d8520eee5ebd0dd0b18d160962ff/original.jpg

:spit:

atomicbloke
01-28-2010, 05:21 PM
http://flyosity.com/ipad/the-ipad-is-for-everyone-but-us.php

I'm a power user; a professional software designer and developer. I use computers (specifically, Macs running Mac OS X) to do my job and I'm guessing that most of you are in the same boat. Most people are not power users, they mainly consume content using their computer rather than produce it. When they produce content it's more casual: posting to Twitter, updating Facebook, writing personal blog entries and notes, uploading photos. Their personal computer usage may include the following:


Chatting with friends
Sending and receiving email
Listening to music
Watching videos
Playing games
Browsing the web

The iPad excels at almost all of those things. Some of those tasks can be done at the same time on the iPad (or using the same application) but some cannot, so building multitasking into the iPad seems like the logical way to fully duplicate how most people use their personal computers at the moment.
Most people who attended the iPad unveiling and are now writing about the iPad are misunderstanding its intended audience because they're not in it. Some smart folks — who happen to also be power users — see the iPad's potential and are trying to convince everyone else. This will certainly take some time, just like there are still iPhone doubters even after Apple sold 40 million of them.
The market for potential iPad users is tremendous, possibly larger than the iPhone's market. There are millions of PC users who are dissatisfied with their virus-ridden, clunky computers who just want it to work better for the simple things they do every day. They might want a MacBook knowing that it's easier to use, but the thousand-dollar price point scares them off. But wait! For $500 less they can own a piece of Apple technology that lets them do almost everything they currently do in a form-factor that's more convenient, mobile and beautiful. This is the iPad's intended audience. People who have a PC and use 10% of its features and software 90% of the time. People like my Mom & Dad who browse the web, read news, send email and watch videos. People like my cousin Jenny who chats with friends, uses Facebook and uploads photos. Regular folks. Consumers. People who use computers to stay informed, connected and entertained.
There are also many people not in the iPad's intended audience who want one, myself included. We'd use it as a secondary computing device; a casual, home-browsing entertainment piece. The iPad is perfect for this.
The iPad is not made for you, it's made for everyone else.

Lolad
01-28-2010, 06:14 PM
The only thing that dissapoints me is the fact that Apple is trying to shove a closed OS down our throats. I have an iPhone and although I do like what it can do. I want to do whatever I want with the device that I purchased not be chained to "itunes"

Open Source brings much more innovation and they continually try to bring us to cave age thinking. If Apple doesn't want to install a flash plugin at launch, fine. They could at least let me, the consumer decide if I want the flash plugin irregardless of it's limitations let ME DOWNLOAD IT and use it at my own discretion!!

Play2win
01-28-2010, 07:04 PM
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/4/2010/01/5b00d8520eee5ebd0dd0b18d160962ff/original.jpg

Hilarious!

Now thats funny. Duct tape will fix ALL!!

broncosteven
01-28-2010, 07:52 PM
That made me
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I think "dick in a box" is more appro...

HAT
01-28-2010, 10:56 PM
No, sorry. Clearly, you either don't work, or you don't work on the road. This device is perfect for my needs. My needs. Not yours. Has nothing to do with Apple beyond the fact that I have some confidence in the product unlike my experiences with the PC over the years. Besides that little item, it's small, light and a hell of a lot easier to haul around than my laptop.

You don't like it, fine. You don't like Apple, fine. It fits my needs perfectly. I couldn't care less what it doesn't do for you.

You're going to try and "work" on this POS? Best of luck with that.

This device is perfect for 2 demographics.....

1) College students who want a combo device (eReader/textbook replacement slash dorm room media player slash gaming in the quad between classes)

2) Baby Boomers who just want to surf the web from their couch & not worry about those pesky viruses. (Shhh, don't tell them that they need a USB adapter if they want to upload pics of their grandkids from that new-fangled digital camera they just bought)

Seriously...How are you going to "work" from this thing?

Durango
01-28-2010, 11:16 PM
You're going to try and "work" on this POS? Best of luck with that.

This device is perfect for 2 demographics.....

1) College students who want a combo device (eReader/textbook replacement slash dorm room media player slash gaming in the quad between classes)

2) Baby Boomers who just want to surf the web from their couch & not worry about those pesky viruses. (Shhh, don't tell them that they need a USB adapter if they want to upload pics of their grandkids from that new-fangled digital camera they just bought)

Seriously...How are you going to "work" from this thing?

It's fairly simple, which may escape you and I understand that. I e-mail people in real time all the time. I hate, and I mean HATE the phone keyboards and the Mac Book occupies more space on those little fold-down tables than i'd like.

When i'm searching, or surfing as the case may be, the web, I'm doing so with a purpose; buying and selling products I often have to decide to buy, and in some cases sell, in a matter of moments.

I have a crowded calendar I'm always matching up with my phone or Mac Book and, finally, I read a LOT. This device allows not only access to books, but newspapers, magazines...everything I like.

For me, this iPad thing is made to order. For you, I'm sure your quad-core, 15 gig ram, five servers, six routers, 5 terrabyte storage bs makes you one bad ass computer operator. Good for you. Have a cookie.

ZachKC
01-28-2010, 11:21 PM
The only thing that dissapoints me is the fact that Apple is trying to shove a closed OS down our throats. I have an iPhone and although I do like what it can do. I want to do whatever I want with the device that I purchased not be chained to "itunes"

Open Source brings much more innovation and they continually try to bring us to cave age thinking. If Apple doesn't want to install a flash plugin at launch, fine. They could at least let me, the consumer decide if I want the flash plugin irregardless of it's limitations let ME DOWNLOAD IT and use it at my own discretion!!

Thats not apple...they keep it in their playground so they can keep up the quality assurance and keep everything within their strategy.

People talk like this and you know what? Just like you they still bought the iPhone. Apple does it better. They will keep doing well until they don't do it better.

ZachKC
01-28-2010, 11:22 PM
You're going to try and "work" on this POS? Best of luck with that.

This device is perfect for 2 demographics.....

1) College students who want a combo device (eReader/textbook replacement slash dorm room media player slash gaming in the quad between classes)

2) Baby Boomers who just want to surf the web from their couch & not worry about those pesky viruses. (Shhh, don't tell them that they need a USB adapter if they want to upload pics of their grandkids from that new-fangled digital camera they just bought)

Seriously...How are you going to "work" from this thing?

You're taking the narrow view.

HAT
01-28-2010, 11:54 PM
For me, this iPad thing is made to order. For you, I'm sure your quad-core, 15 gig ram, five servers, six routers, 5 terrabyte storage bs makes you one bad ass computer operator. Good for you. Have a cookie.

I'm not a "techie" at all. Haven't bought a laptop in years and am happy with the 1-2 year old ones that work provides....(Most have been Windows XP machines & one has been a Mac)

Agree to disagree and all but I just don't see how this thing is conducive to work at all. If it fits your particular needs than great. I'm glad you fit the niche.

HAT
01-29-2010, 12:13 AM
It's fairly simple, which may escape you and I understand that. I e-mail people in real time all the time. I hate, and I mean HATE the phone keyboards and the Mac Book occupies more space on those little fold-down tables than i'd like.

Just curious....Are you going to cradle this between your elbow & wrist and type one handed or are you going to try and lay it flat and have it wobble all over since it has a semi-rounded back?

I could care less about any given 'platform' per se and am perfectly happy with 2 year old (or older) tech.

I agree with you though that most phone keyboards suck. Never had a smart-phone other than a Handspring/Treo/Centro but I've played around with the latest & greatest. Nothing beats a trusty ol' Treo 755p IMO.

Durango
01-29-2010, 12:14 AM
I'm not a "techie" at all. Haven't bought a laptop in years and am happy with the 1-2 year old ones that work provides....(Most have been Windows XP machines & one has been a Mac)

Agree to disagree and all but I just don't see how this thing is conducive to work at all. If it fits your particular needs than great. I'm glad you fit the niche.

Hey, it's all in fun, not in anger. I have been hoping for something like this for a while. I was just about to opt in for one of the netbooks because space is a premium for me, but that damnable tiny keyboard. I might as well stick to the blackberry. The fact that it's a Mac makes it all the better for my purposes. I fully expect this thing to evolve fairly quickly as people start whining about the lack of this and that (usb/phone etc). In the meantime, I'm quite willing to give the first gen a run.

HAT
01-29-2010, 12:24 AM
Hey, it's all in fun, not in anger. I have been hoping for something like this for a while. I was just about to opt in for one of the netbooks because space is a premium for me, but that damnable tiny keyboard. I might as well stick to the blackberry. The fact that it's a Mac makes it all the better for my purposes. I fully expect this thing to evolve fairly quickly as people start whining about the lack of this and that (usb/phone etc). In the meantime, I'm quite willing to give the first gen a run.

I hear ya... I don't get the netbook thing myself. Not when there are *almost* full size keyboard having ultra lights out there that are more powerful than a top of the line 2007 desktop.

Early adopters always get screwed but without them...Tech would never advance.

I don't doubt that Apple will add what's missing on future versions...That's just good business. I just don't get why they didn't throw a 'light' version of OSX on this thing instead of recycling the iphone UI.

Strike that...Yes I do. This is all about digital distribution going forward. Again, smart business.

TDmvp
01-29-2010, 12:33 AM
I hear ya... I don't get the netbook thing myself. Not when there are *almost* full size keyboard having ultra lights out there that are more powerful than a top of the line 2007 desktop.





Why would I want to carry around my bad@$$ and co$tly laptop/desktop replacement with 4gigs of ram and 1 gig of video and risk god forbid dust getting on it or anything the least bit bad when i can carry around a crappy NETBOOK that cost 299 and do everything I need on the run and not risk hurting the main machine .... Also netbooks are great for old people and people just looking to surf the net and send email and don't want to dump 2k into a bad@$$ lappy ...

HAT
01-29-2010, 12:44 AM
Why would I want to carry around my bad@$$ and co$tly laptop/desktop replacement with 4gigs of ram and 1 gig of video and risk god forbid dust getting on it or anything the least bit bad when i can carry around a crappy NETBOOK that cost 299 and do everything I need on the run and not risk hurting the main machine .... Also netbooks are great for old people and people just looking to surf the net and send email and don't want to dump 2k into a bad@$$ lappy ...

Again...I agree. Scroll back a few pages.

I'm not some techie carrying around a $3,000 Alienware lappy......

I just can't see spending $299 on a 10.1" netbook with crap internals when I can get a much more powerful 11.6" or 13.3" ultra light for $200 more where the keyboard is 95% full size and the foot print is barely larger....

I'm typing this from a 2003 Sony Vaio BTW. :thumbsup:

TDmvp
01-29-2010, 01:12 AM
Again...I agree. Scroll back a few pages.

I'm not some techie carrying around a $3,000 Alienware lappy......

I just can't see spending $299 on a 10.1" netbook with crap internals when I can get a much more powerful 11.6" or 13.3" ultra light for $200 more where the keyboard is 95% full size and the foot print is barely larger....

I'm typing this from a 2003 Sony Vaio BTW. :thumbsup:



my bad , I was just reading back through ... :approve:

My girlfriend just got a BAD@$$ dell xps16 and it stomps my Alienware that is 2 years old so I'm touchy and have total laptop envy , It's sitting right over there and I don't even want to touch it hehe

I know when I get my income tax return what I'm getting LOL but we both carry around cheap @$$ 299 dell netbooks...

My Lappy ...
http://www.fashion2gadgets.com/images/315.jpg


Her new Dell xps16 that she got a week ago ...

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/01/2009-01-09stuxpspage.jpg


Mine looks better but hers is just SWeet ... 4gigs of ram , gig of video , blue ray , solid state HD ... Just smoking ...

I'm either going to buy that same one xps16 , or this studio 17 with almost the same specs minus the back lit keyboard that is cheaper off dell outlet and is my color ...

http://i.dell.com/images/global/products/314x314/studio_17_blue_314.jpg

I just want something with a gig of video and windows 7.
My alienware only has 512vid and is running xp.

uplink
01-29-2010, 09:44 AM
Wonder if the ipad has a usb connection where you can connect an external hard drive and load .pdf files to read and media files to view?

uplink
01-29-2010, 09:47 AM
Wonder if the ipad has a usb connection where you can connect an external hard drive and load .pdf files to read and media files to view?

no usb port and no adobe so won't be useful for me and many others
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/12-key-features-the-ipad-lacks-20100128-n1ae.html

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-29-2010, 10:21 AM
http://mashable.com/2010/01/29/pee-wee-apple-ipad/

Pretty damn good.

Popps
01-29-2010, 10:40 AM
They may end up adding USB support. You can hook up items via Bluetooth right now. But, they're only going to go so far. They're not going to infringe on their Macbook business. I think we'll see the price come down... and more features added, though.

broncosteven
04-02-2010, 11:12 AM
Anyone see the David Letterman Show last night?

He had an iPad that he was going to do the top 10 from and after rotating it a full 360 degrees it crashed on him, rebooted and went to some login screen.

They were using it as a coaster for a coffee mug after that!

DenverBrit
04-02-2010, 11:31 AM
It will keep the iNerds happy until Apple come up with another way to pick their pockets with another monthly revenue plan.

Popps
04-02-2010, 11:52 AM
Anyone have one yet? Reviews have been pretty glowing.

Popps
04-02-2010, 11:53 AM
Edit: Never mind.. not out until tomorrow.

baja
04-02-2010, 11:54 AM
I'm getting one when I go to the states april 22nd.

DenverBroncosJM
04-02-2010, 11:57 AM
You're going to try and "work" on this POS? Best of luck with that.

This device is perfect for 2 demographics.....

1) College students who want a combo device (eReader/textbook replacement slash dorm room media player slash gaming in the quad between classes)

2) Baby Boomers who just want to surf the web from their couch & not worry about those pesky viruses. (Shhh, don't tell them that they need a USB adapter if they want to upload pics of their grandkids from that new-fangled digital camera they just bought)

Seriously...How are you going to "work" from this thing?

Im not a baby boomer but you hit on a couple the reasons we are thinking of getting one. The office is upstairs along with all the computers. There are many times we need to look up a recipe, information etc. we need to go up stairs etc. It would be easier just to have this downstairs and use it for a quick fix.

Dont get me wrong it would promote laziness that I cant even walk up the damn stairs but it would be nice. When I travel I could use it as a e-reader. The kindle is what 300 bucks? so for 300 more I get a system that does two times more. I have an iphone and its a love hate relationship. But I would consider getting one of these.

Beantown Bronco
04-02-2010, 12:08 PM
The kindle is what 300 bucks? so for 300 more I get a system that does two times more. I have an iphone and its a love hate relationship. But I would consider getting one of these.

Paying twice as much for something that does twice as much.....by definition, that's not a bargain.

baja
04-02-2010, 12:13 PM
Unless you happen to need the 50% that the other device does not provide

baja
04-02-2010, 12:14 PM
Hell I got a Kindle and I'm still buying an I pad

broncosteven
04-02-2010, 12:14 PM
Im not a baby boomer but you hit on a couple the reasons we are thinking of getting one. The office is upstairs along with all the computers. There are many times we need to look up a recipe, information etc. we need to go up stairs etc. It would be easier just to have this downstairs and use it for a quick fix.

Dont get me wrong it would promote laziness that I cant even walk up the damn stairs but it would be nice. When I travel I could use it as a e-reader. The kindle is what 300 bucks? so for 300 more I get a system that does two times more. I have an iphone and its a love hate relationship. But I would consider getting one of these.

Full size Multicore laptops are selling for less than the iPad and you can do the same things and even more with those.

Beantown Bronco
04-02-2010, 12:15 PM
Unless you happen to need the 50% that the other device does not provide

That still doesn't make it a bargain. To be a bargain, you have to do more than something that costs the same or more. Or do more than twice as much as something that costs half as much, etc.

BroncosSR
04-02-2010, 12:19 PM
Hell I got a Kindle and I'm still buying an I pad

Me too. I actually sold my Kindle DX for $500 on eBay the day they announced the iPad.

baja
04-02-2010, 12:20 PM
That still doesn't make it a bargain. To be a bargain, you have to do more than something that costs the same or more. Or do more than twice as much as something that costs half as much, etc.

You can consider connivence also when determining what a bargain is.

One device that replaces two at the same cost as the tow is a bargain.

broncosteven
04-02-2010, 12:24 PM
Me too. I actually sold my Kindle DX for $500 on eBay the day they announced the iPad.

Sweet baby Jesus people pay $500 in order to read a book? I bought a used copy of War and Peace for $1.95.

broncosteven
04-02-2010, 12:25 PM
You can consider connivence also when determining what a bargain is.

One device that replaces two at the same cost as the tow is a bargain.

Ok I will bite what 2 things is the iPad replacing?

baja
04-02-2010, 12:27 PM
Full size Multicore laptops are selling for less than the iPad and you can do the same things and even more with those.

Show me one for 400

Beantown Bronco
04-02-2010, 12:42 PM
Show me one for 400

$400? Ipad's opening price is $500 isn't it?

Take your pick of these, almost all of which can be had for less than the cost of the Ipad and without the monthly fees.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=amb_link_83353631_7?ie=UTF8&node=565108%7C679517011&field-price=40000-54999&field-availability=-1&emi=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=left-1&pf_rd_r=0P021466605AWS7KKPKR&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1251175422&pf_rd_i=565108

Retire #30!!!
04-02-2010, 12:49 PM
I'm getting one,this app basically sold it for me.
Can't do this on a laptop or an Iphone.
I play the piano and think this is just too freaking cool.
with a visual metronome feature scrolling as you play.

All your sheet music right at your finger tips, no more awkward page turning moments just swipe to the next page

http://obamapacman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Apple-iPad-tablet-sheet-music-app-forScore-449x561.jpg

Forgive me if the picture doesn't come up I'm not a power poster as you can see.

http://obamapacman.com/2010/03/musicians-sheet-music-app-for-ipad/

baja
04-02-2010, 01:03 PM
$400? Ipad's opening price is $500 isn't it?

Take your pick of these, almost all of which can be had for less than the cost of the Ipad and without the monthly fees.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=amb_link_83353631_7?ie=UTF8&node=565108%7C679517011&field-price=40000-54999&field-availability=-1&emi=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=left-1&pf_rd_r=0P021466605AWS7KKPKR&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1251175422&pf_rd_i=565108

Thanks Bean but I just can't go back to a PC after Apple.

baja
04-02-2010, 01:07 PM
http://www.sunyoga.info/index.htm

the real way to hike and eat.

elsid13
04-02-2010, 01:13 PM
http://www.sunyoga.info/index.htm

the real way to hike and eat.

The Apple cult is giving Scientology a run for its money.

misturanderson
04-02-2010, 01:28 PM
Thanks Bean but I just can't go back to a PC after Apple.

Because you forgot how to do anything without the ridiculous amount of hand holding that apple requires in all of it's products? "If it isn't so easy that a 90-year old woman can't figure it out on the first try then nobody should be able to do it."

baja
04-02-2010, 01:32 PM
ya that's it

broncosteven
04-02-2010, 01:35 PM
I'm getting one,this app basically sold it for me.
Can't do this on a laptop or an Iphone.
I play the piano and think this is just too freaking cool.
with a visual metronome feature scrolling as you play.

All your sheet music right at your finger tips, no more awkward page turning moments just swipe to the next page

http://obamapacman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Apple-iPad-tablet-sheet-music-app-forScore-449x561.jpg

Forgive me if the picture doesn't come up I'm not a power poster as you can see.

http://obamapacman.com/2010/03/musicians-sheet-music-app-for-ipad/

I like to watch "From the Top from Carnegie Hall" with my kids. Chris O'Riley uses a tablet type device for the same purpose when he accompanies the kids.

Here is software for existing platforms that does the same thing:

http://www.musicreader.net/

You could also use a DAW or Notation software if you have it already.

Retire #30!!!
04-02-2010, 02:11 PM
Here is software for existing platforms that does the same thing:

http://www.musicreader.net/

You could also use a DAW or Notation software if you have it already.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the heads up, I never thought about these possibilities before.
Too cool for musicians

Popps
04-02-2010, 02:33 PM
Because you forgot how to do anything without the ridiculous amount of hand holding that apple requires in all of it's products? "If it isn't so easy that a 90-year old woman can't figure it out on the first try then nobody should be able to do it."

Care to clarify?

I'm about 15 years into using Apple products, purely because they DON'T require hand holding. That's the same reason our multi-billion dollar parent corporation has them installed throughout our entire facility, where we do high end post-production/finishing work for broadcast television. So, I'm no programmer... but I'm more technologically dialed into my profession than about 90% of the people working out there. It's a requirement for what I do.

I'll just never figure out why people are so insecure about their computer platform. Honestly... don't like the platform, don't use it. But, when people make statements like that, it clearly tells you they've never even used both platforms. (I've worked on both... for years and still do on a daily basis.)

I just don't get the hate/fear thing with Apple products. Clearly, it's a wildly successful company and has absolutely changed the landscape of personal computing, and now communication/music/etc. Every platform has its advantages and disadvantages.

But, why the hate/fear? What's the point?

I don't like sardines. I won't buy them. I won't them. However, I don't feel the need to insult people and attack sardine-eaters on a message board on a regular basis.

That's what people do when they're confused, afraid.. or simply lack a real knowledge of something.

Beantown Bronco
04-02-2010, 02:41 PM
I don't like sardines. I won't buy them. I won't them. However, I don't feel the need to insult people and attack sardine-eaters on a message board on a regular basis.

Didn't you hear? Sardines are super gross.

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broncosteven
04-02-2010, 03:26 PM
But, why the hate/fear? What's the point?


Not saying this is the reason why but it might have something to do with it:
http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/

Pony Boy
04-02-2010, 04:25 PM
http://assets.vg247.com/current//2010/01/iPad.jpg

The ****ing size of it!

I remember when it didn't get better than this......:yayaya:

misturanderson
04-02-2010, 05:14 PM
Care to clarify?

Apple requires you to buy into their entirely proprietary system that does the hand-holding for you. Everything they have does its extremely simple job well, but has massive limits on what they allow you to do. You can't upgrade your hardware, most programs have not been optimized for their system (unless you use boot camp to run windows on a mac at which point I wonder what the point is of owning a mac), you have to use itunes to use their mp3 players or phone and you can't use the music, etc. you buy from itunes outside of itunes. Hell, they won't even let you change the batteries in any of their products.

They make stylish, simple products that do a job well and in a way that looks really cool and is fairly intuitive. They also lock you into system where you have to rely on them for everything and as a result, overpay for everything (but you do get the added bonus of reliability).

I do think that apple does a great job of advancing technology, but they place way too many limits on what their consumers can do with their products and they charge WAY too much for what they are selling. I also don't like that they like to cash in on early adopters by releasing a half-assed product then updating it, instead of taking the time to release a good first generation product.

I personally don't see the appeal of apple because I like more freedom to use technology the way I want and I really don't like to pay more than I need to for things. If all you want out of technology is reliability and basic functionality, then apple is certainly the way to go. It must also be pretty good for video editing/production applications (it seems that many big name movie studios use macs, and apparently you use it for that purpose), but I have no interest in video editing so I don't have any opinion in that regard.

I also hate the anti-PC propaganda ads that apple releases because I know for a fact that I'm being lied to every time they are on. They are on about the same level of intellectual honesty as the government anti-pot, meth, texting-while-driving ads.

Popps
04-02-2010, 05:31 PM
Apple requires you to buy into their entirely proprietary system that does the hand-holding for you. Everything they have does its extremely simple job well, but has massive limits on what they allow you to do..

15 years of use, and a lucrative professional career based on the use of their platform, and I've never experienced these "limits" in any way. None whatsoever.

Again, this is from someone who has made a living on BOTH platforms, for a very long period of time.

You can't upgrade your hardware,.

Incorrect.

most programs have not been optimized for their system.

Incorrect. I experience about 1/10th the crashing and freezing on my OS10 platforms as I do my WinXP. Absolutely incorrect.

A you have to use itunes to use their mp3 players or phone and you can't use the music, etc..

I've used Palm and Blackberry, and both have clunky, odd operating systems with regards to media management. Every item has its own music management system. iTunes just happens Apple's. It's also the most popular in the world by a longshot.

Hell, they won't even let you change the batteries in any of their products..

Incorrect. 100% incorrect.


I personally don't see the appeal of it because I like more freedom to use technology the way I want..

Well, again... outside of perhaps some random shareware apps on the internet, I've never experienced any of that problem... and I've been immersed in a technology-based career for well over a decade.

Beyond that, if I need to run an XP app, I simply boot from my Windows partition and use Windows as long as I need to. Bootcamp works flawlessly for me.
[QUOTE=misturanderson;2793914]

I also hate the anti-PC propaganda ads that apple releases because I know for a fact that I'm being lied to every time they are on. They are on about the same level as the government anti-pot, meth, texting-while-driving ads.[QUOTE=misturanderson;2793914]

So, you're in favor of meth while driving?

You realize that Apple products lead the league in customer loyalty and satisfaction... right?

As for their ads, imagine the nerve of a company to advertise their products and claim theirs are better than another companies. (By the way, their attacking Windows clunky operating system, which is a common complaint among computer users.)

Beyond that, this gets down to the root of my confusion on this issue. Why does this hurt your feelings. I drive an Infiniti. Should I get jealous, hurt and upset when I see a BMW commercial?

Seriously, explain the logic to me. Explain why a commercial would really upset you if you're truly happy with your product?

Makes no sense. I do not own ONE single product of any type that makes me angry, jealous or upset when I see commercials of competing brands. It's just business.

misturanderson
04-02-2010, 05:53 PM
Incorrect.

So you can upgrade the RAM, video card, processor, hard drives...any component you want in a macintosh? Without having a certified mac techinician come out and do it for you?

Incorrect. I experience about 1/10th the crashing and freezing on my OS10 platforms as I do my WinXP. Absolutely incorrect.

Fair enough, I never disputed that. Does it run the (vast majority of) programs, that weren't designed to run on OS10, with greater reliability? If so, good for apple. I still don't think it justifies the extra money.

I've used Palm and Blackberry, and both have clunky, odd operating systems with regards to media management. Every item has its own music management system. iTunes just happens Apple's. It's also the most popular in the world by a longshot.

Popular doesn't mean better by any means, and you failed to address my biggest problem with iTunes in that you cannot use anything you buy in iTunes outside of the realm of apple's hardware/software (I heard they were going to change that, but of course you have to pay about 50% more for the same item). I don't like any system that places such tight restrictions on what you can do with something that you bought.


Incorrect. 100% incorrect.

So the user can change the battery of an iphone, ipod, macbook air, etc? News to me.


Beyond that, if I need to run an XP app, I simply boot from my Windows partition and use Windows as long as I need to. Bootcamp works flawlessly for me.
That's fine. You also had to pay an extra 30+% for the exact same hardware because apple assembled it.

So, you're in favor of meth while driving?
Obviously that wasn't the point. Apple adds have a level of intellectual honesty on par with the public service ads that say you will be hopelessly addicted to meth and steal from your parents if you smoke it just once. Or that if you smoke weed you will run over a little girl on a bicycle because you're too stupid to look where you're driving. Or that if you text and drive you'll run over your little sister on your way to pick her up from the park. I prefer to be treated like I've got the logical reasoning ability of at least a 10-year old when people are trying to get me to do something.

You realize that Apple products lead the league in customer loyalty and satisfaction... right?

As for their ads, imagine the nerve of a company to advertise their products and claim theirs are better than another companies. (By the way, their attacking Windows clunky operating system, which is a common complaint among computer users.)
I admitted that apple has a simple, intuitive interface. That explains why people like it.

Beyond that, this gets down to the root of my confusion on this issue. Why does this hurt your feelings. I drive an Infiniti. Should I get jealous, hurt and upset when I see a BMW commercial?

Seriously, explain the logic to me. Explain why a commercial would really upset you if you're truly happy with your product?

Makes no sense. I do not own ONE single product of any type that makes me angry, jealous or upset when I see commercials of competing brands. It's just business.
I would honestly blame apple in this situation. They put anyone that doesn't use their product on the defensive with their attacking method of advertisement.

I wouldn't mind owning an apple laptop for the battery life increase alone, but as a student I can get a windows-based laptop for $500 that performs just as well as an entry-level apple macbook that costs $1000. I just don't see what the apple does that justifies that price difference.

broncosteven
04-02-2010, 06:11 PM
...
Seriously, explain the logic to me. Explain why a commercial would really upset you if you're truly happy with your product?

Makes no sense. I do not own ONE single product of any type that makes me angry, jealous or upset when I see commercials of competing brands. It's just business.

It is not the pointing out of flaws I have a problem with it is the stereotype they perpetrate as the Windows user base being pudgy middleage geeks who wear glasses and look dumpy in general while "Mac" is Mr hip cool guy that never sweats after eating a large meal.

Attack the product not the users.

It is funny how the ads have stopped since Win 7 came out.

Kaylore
04-02-2010, 06:17 PM
Macs are lame. Too expensive to upgrade and too feminine for my taste. Probably the best I've used for video editing, but if you don't work in Multimedia, I don't see the point.

Incidentally my PC has crashed once in the last six years. I have Avast, Adaware and Malwarebytes and I've had virus issue twice and did a system scan to remove both of them. This idea that "PC's are always crashing and always have viruses" is a bunch of crap if you know a little bit about computing. If you need a watered-down, idiot proof machine because you download porn all day without scanning it before opening it or open every suspicious E-mail you get believing what is in the subject bar, then the Mac is probably a good choice for you.

misturanderson
04-02-2010, 06:20 PM
Macs are lame. Too expensive to upgrade and too feminine for my taste. Probably the best I've used for video editing, but if you don't work in Multimedia, I don't see the point.

Incidentally my PC has crashed once in the last six years. I have Avast, Adaware and Malwarebytes and I've had virus issue twice and did a system scan to remove both of them. This idea that "PC's are always crashing and always have viruses" is a bunch of crap if you know a little bit about computing. If you need a watered-down, idiot proof machine because you download porn all day without scanning it before opening it or open every suspicious E-mail you get believing what is in the subject bar, then the Mac is probably a good choice for you.

Pretty much.

broncosteven
04-02-2010, 06:22 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ytech_gadg/20100402/tc_ytech_gadg/ytech_gadg_tc1434

Colbert was funny especially the knock on Kindle being Money well spent.
"Just like the iPhone you can't make calls with it" got a big laugh.

broncosteven
04-02-2010, 06:22 PM
Macs are lame. Too expensive to upgrade and too feminine for my taste. Probably the best I've used for video editing, but if you don't work in Multimedia, I don't see the point.

Incidentally my PC has crashed once in the last six years. I have Avast, Adaware and Malwarebytes and I've had virus issue twice and did a system scan to remove both of them. This idea that "PC's are always crashing and always have viruses" is a bunch of crap if you know a little bit about computing. If you need a watered-down, idiot proof machine because you download porn all day without scanning it before opening it or open every suspicious E-mail you get believing what is in the subject bar, then the Mac is probably a good choice for you.

Yours is the superior!

Popps
04-02-2010, 06:27 PM
So you can upgrade the RAM, video card, processor, hard drives...any component you want in a macintosh? Without having a certified mac techinician come out and do it for you?.

Yes. The only one you may want to use pause is with regards to the processor, which are optimized for a certain chip set. Other than that, yes.
(I'm upgrading RAM on one of my macs this very evening, in fact.... and may add a 3rd internal drive.)

Which raises the question... if you don't know the answer to these questions, why are you criticizing things you don't know the answer to?



Popular doesn't mean better by any means, and you failed to address my biggest problem with iTunes .

I never said popular meant better. However, topping the charts in customer satisfaction DOES mean something, and it's one of the most basic metrics any consumer should use when making a product purchase.

As for iTunes, it has flaws. I'm not in love with it. I think it's pretty intuitive and offers a lot, but it's not perfect. No media program is. Again, it's just one of many.



So the user can change the battery of an iphone, ipod, macbook air, etc? News to me..

Wait, now you're only talking about a few specific products? When did that change. Before, you said NONE of their products. Interesting. Maybe let's figure out what you really mean and we'll discuss that.

And yes.. you can change the battery in many of their products. Or, you can go have it done for next to nothing. However, I've never needed to change any batteries in any of their products aside from one iPod touch and a very very old laptop. (This is from a family which owns(ed) dozens of products.)



That's fine. You also had to pay an extra 30+% for the exact same hardware beacuse apple assembled it. .

Incorrect.

I'm paying a premium for a premium product. Want a top of the line Windows based laptop? You're going to pay close to what you pay for a Macintosh. I'm also paying for a specific hardware/chipset/OS, and the reliability that has come with it.

I'm not in a business where I have time to crawl under the hood when **** breaks down once a week just to say I saved $300 at purchase time. I can lose more than that in a single day if a project goes south due to unreliable machines.



I wouldn't mind owning an apple laptop for the battery life increase alone, but as a student I can get a windows-based laptop for $500 that performs just as well as an entry-level apple macbook that costs $1000. I just don't see what the apple does that justifies that price difference.

Which returns to the original point.

I understand why people drive Ford Escorts. They're cheap. I'm very happy with what I drive, so I have no need to attack Ford Escort drivers.

I understand the allure of $400 laptops, too. Hell, I've seen those mini-laptops for a few hundred. (Win-based.) I've thought about buying one just to have as a back-up and to kick around for non-crucial work/traveling, etc.

But, I'm not enraged when I see an HP commercial. I have to laugh sometimes when Windows tries to sell each OS "improvement" as finally getting it right, but I'm certainly not angry, jealous or attacking of those who choose Windows as their choice.

Point being, it's just a mindset I can't wrap my head around. You're REALLY happy with your choice, but also REALLY angry that there are other choices?

OK.

Popps
04-02-2010, 06:29 PM
Macs are lame. Too expensive to upgrade and too feminine for my taste. Probably the best I've used for video editing, but if you don't work in Multimedia, I don't see the point.

Incidentally my PC has crashed once in the last six years. I have Avast, Adaware and Malwarebytes and I've had virus issue twice and did a system scan to remove both of them. This idea that "PC's are always crashing and always have viruses" is a bunch of crap if you know a little bit about computing. If you need a watered-down, idiot proof machine because you download porn all day without scanning it before opening it or open every suspicious E-mail you get believing what is in the subject bar, then the Mac is probably a good choice for you.

Again, spoken like someone who is angry, fearful and probably hasn't used both platforms extensively.

By the way, the guy you described is watching porn in his mom's basement right now. His name is Bob. Guess what platform he chooses?

:)

Popps
04-02-2010, 06:31 PM
I have a problem with it is the stereotype they perpetrate as the Windows user base being pudgy middleage geeks who wear glasses and look dumpy in general while "Mac" is Mr hip cool guy that never sweats after eating a large meal..

Wow, again... you mean one product attempts to present itself as superior to another in its own ad? Insanity!

By the way, the ads DO attack the machine, not the user. The guys both represent machines. Or maybe you missed the... "I'm a PC, I'm a Mac" part of the commercial?

Beyond that, do you get panicky when a breakfast cereal you don't eat runs an ad?

How about toilet paper? Do you get irate and attack Charmin users?

I'm just wondering where the outrage ends for you....?

misturanderson
04-02-2010, 06:39 PM
Wow, again... you mean one product attempts to present itself as superior to another in its own ad? Insanity!

By the way, the ads DO attack the machine, not the user. The guys both represent machines. Or maybe you missed the... "I'm a PC, I'm a Mac" part of the commercial?

Beyond that, do you get panicky when a breakfast cereal you don't eat runs an ad?

How about toilet paper? Do you get irate and attack Charmin users?

I'm just wondering where the outrage ends for you....?

Those are not equivalent situations. None of those products advertise by showing SPECIFIC competing products anthropomorphized and represented by two very dissimilar people with very different levels of visual appeal. If they wanted you to think it was just the mac vs. pc they would have used computers or people that looked the same. The characters in the commercial are very obviously intended to represent mac USERS and pc USERS, even if it doesn't come out and say it.

I don't care if they advertise that way, but to discount the effect that it has is pretty naive.

gyldenlove
04-02-2010, 06:48 PM
Macs are lame. Too expensive to upgrade and too feminine for my taste. Probably the best I've used for video editing, but if you don't work in Multimedia, I don't see the point.

Incidentally my PC has crashed once in the last six years. I have Avast, Adaware and Malwarebytes and I've had virus issue twice and did a system scan to remove both of them. This idea that "PC's are always crashing and always have viruses" is a bunch of crap if you know a little bit about computing. If you need a watered-down, idiot proof machine because you download porn all day without scanning it before opening it or open every suspicious E-mail you get believing what is in the subject bar, then the Mac is probably a good choice for you.

I am mostly a PC guy so I am a little biased in that way that PC is what I used to and have the most experience with.

I have worked with a couple of different mac products over the last 12 months and almost without fail they have crashed on me to some extend with alarming regularity, I have also had what best be described as difficulty installing USB devices that work fine when plugged into the 1394 but not USB. I tried for comparisons sake to compare how many mouse clicks it took me to perform the same tasks on my Winxp machine and a mac pro, and it was almost exactly the same, I haven't compared to my new 7 machine yet, but will do one of these days.

Bottom line I just don't see any advantages in a mac over a pc so I can't justify the price difference.

Popps
04-02-2010, 06:56 PM
I don't care if they advertise that way, but to discount the effect that it has is pretty naive.

Well, I'm not discounting the effect of advertising. It's part of my business. I applaud them for breaking it down the way they did, and creating some pretty entertaining ads. People like them, they helped sell product... and that's the name of the game.

Again, why be angry about it?

misturanderson
04-02-2010, 07:15 PM
Wait, now you're only talking about a few specific products? When did that change. Before, you said NONE of their products. Interesting. Maybe let's figure out what you really mean and we'll discuss that.
You said I was "100% incorrect" when I said that you couldn't replace the batteries in their products, so I guess we were both being a bit hyperbolic.

And yes.. you can change the battery in many of their products.
I listed pretty much every product they currently make that uses a battery except plain macbooks. By "many", did you mean "1"?
Or, you can go have it done for next to nothing. However, I've never needed to change any batteries in any of their products aside from one iPod touch and a very very old laptop. (This is from a family which owns(ed) dozens of products.)

I guess maybe they don't charge you too much (or really anything) to replace the battery for you, but they sure screw you on their battery pricing ($50 for an ipod shuffle, $80 for just about any other handheld device, $130 minimum for laptops). That's fine if you want to pay for it, I'd still rather have the ability to change my own battery and be able to buy a battery from someone who doesn't have to be an authorized dealer of the product to sell it.

Incorrect.

I'm paying a premium for a premium product. Want a top of the line Windows based laptop? You're going to pay close to what you pay for a Macintosh. I'm also paying for a specific hardware/chipset/OS, and the reliability that has come with it.

I'm not in a business where I have time to crawl under the hood when **** breaks down once a week just to say I saved $300 at purchase time. I can lose more than that in a single day if a project goes south due to unreliable machines.
I'm not arguing with you about reliability, so there is no need to keep bringing that up. Apples would be restricted to use in video production (because they are designed better for that specific task) if they weren't far more reliable than PCs. The average user, however, does not have any major ramifications if their computer locks up once a week and needs to be rebooted.

Apple users do constantly overstate the reliability problems of PC's though. Like Kaylore said, if you have even a basic understanding of computer viruses and anti-virus software it isn't hard to maintain a reliable PC despite the fact that you may have components manufactured by 10 different companies in 1 machine.


Which returns to the original point.

I understand why people drive Ford Escorts. They're cheap. I'm very happy with what I drive, so I have no need to attack Ford Escort drivers.

I understand the allure of $400 laptops, too. Hell, I've seen those mini-laptops for a few hundred. (Win-based.) I've thought about buying one just to have as a back-up and to kick around for non-crucial work/traveling, etc.

But, I'm not enraged when I see an HP commercial. I have to laugh sometimes when Windows tries to sell each OS "improvement" as finally getting it right, but I'm certainly not angry, jealous or attacking of those who choose Windows as their choice.

Point being, it's just a mindset I can't wrap my head around. You're REALLY happy with your choice, but also REALLY angry that there are other choices?

OK.

I'm not angry with people buying Apple products. I have owned a few iPods (though I tend to stay away from them now because I really, really don't like iTunes and there are several other decent choices out there now). I would probably buy an Apple if I needed it for some type of video application because it is absolutely superior for that application. I might even consider it if I just had a bunch of money to blow and wanted a laptop for basic applications (though I would be willing to bet that I could find a netbook for $1000 that I would rather have than an entry-level macbook).

I just hate the superior attitude that Apple instills in its advertising and that attitude gets passed on to most of it's user base (in reference to their products). If they didn't make so many business and advertising decisions that I personally consider to be petty (if not unethical) then I would really like Apple because they advance technology and they make reliable products that look cool. It's too bad they are so douchey while they do it.

broncosteven
04-02-2010, 07:27 PM
Wow, again... you mean one product attempts to present itself as superior to another in its own ad? Insanity!

By the way, the ads DO attack the machine, not the user. The guys both represent machines. Or maybe you missed the... "I'm a PC, I'm a Mac" part of the commercial?

Beyond that, do you get panicky when a breakfast cereal you don't eat runs an ad?

How about toilet paper? Do you get irate and attack Charmin users?

I'm just wondering where the outrage ends for you....?

All I can think of that bugs me right now is this Apple thread and some of the moves mCd has made since being hired. Unfortunately for both of us those are the 2 things that you will defend to bitter end.

Your the kind of guy I would love to have covering my back if I ever had to protect Apple or mCd at Thermopylae because I would know that my flank would be covered to the death; whereas, TSI would end up getting banned by the Greeks and sent home before the battle began putting me short a man.

Go back through my posts in the thread and reread them I don't think I ever said the iPad sucks and all Apple users are rich ignorant bastards who don't know anything about computers. You were looking so hard for a fight you misread a post of mine knocking someone paying $500 for a used KINDLE and generic repped me out of context on it.

Admit it your mad that Letterman exposed a flaw in the device on National TV before it even shipped, your not really mad at anything anyone posted here.

Popps
04-02-2010, 07:47 PM
You said I was "100% incorrect" when I said that you couldn't replace the batteries in their products, so I guess we were both being a bit hyperbolic..

Well, your statement said that you could not change batteries in 100% of their products. That's factually incorrect. It's probably not even half true.

Most of your other statements were factually invalid, as well. Again, I'm not sure why you felt the need to launch an attack, if you really don't know the answers to the claims you're making?

Just use what you want... why the stress over other people's choices?

Popps
04-02-2010, 07:52 PM
All I can think of that bugs me right now.

Look, you just represented the commercials incorrectly. I called you on it. Beyond that, you're way over-thinking the whole thing.

As for letterman... didn't see it. I'm sure the thing does have flaws. I'm not positive it's going to be a big hit. But, it'll probably do well. I wouldn't bet against the company, at this point. I wouldn't mind having one, purely for the compact/mobile internet ability alone. (Without having to lug around a laptop, which I do.)

It's an interesting product. Not sure I'll buy one. My wife likes it, and it would probably suit her needs perfectly as far as computing/media. Maybe we'll get her one and I'll report back.

misturanderson
04-02-2010, 07:57 PM
Look, you just represented the commercials incorrectly. I called you on it. Beyond that, you're way over-thinking the whole thing.


That's not even true and you admitted it in your reply to me. If anybody represented that commercial wrong it was you.

Popps
04-02-2010, 07:59 PM
I guess maybe they don't charge you too much (or really anything) to replace the battery for you, but they sure screw you on their battery pricing ($50 for an ipod shuffle, $80 for just about any other handheld device, $130 minimum for laptops). That's fine if you want to pay for it, I'd still rather have the ability to change my own battery and be able to buy a battery from someone who doesn't have to be an authorized dealer of the product to sell it..

By the way, it took me (very literally) 5 seconds to find this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpzUpMnuH0Y

For someone who claims to want to get their hands dirty, I'd think a little research would have been easy for you to do.

By the way, replacing the battery looks like a little bit of work. Nothing major, but perhaps something not everyone is suited to... or wants to do. Maybe that's why the company suggests you use their methodology... to avoid voiding warranty, etc?

I've owned something like 12 ipods (me, wife, kids) in my life. Only one had a battery issue, and it's a current touch. (Couple years old.)

But, if you want to change your own battery... looks like it's very possible.


Again, that's why maybe it's better to know what you're talking about before making claims.

Popps
04-02-2010, 08:00 PM
That's not even true and you admitted it in your reply to me. If anybody represented that commercial wrong it was you.

Wait, so the commercials don't say "I'm a Mac, and I'm a PC?"

I could swear they did.

Are you telling me they say... "I'm a fat PC user, and I'm a thin Mac user?"

I guess I need to watch them again. I missed that...

Lolad
04-02-2010, 10:08 PM
the fact of the matter is the Ipad is a close platform with proprietary software. It is not for the technical savvy user. It does NOT contain the entire internet at the palm of your hands like they claim. It's an over sized Itouch.

I want to download w/e I want when I want to. I want to watch movies illegally if I wanted to, or download a plugin because I want to. Apple will fail, they are going down the same road that macs went.

Meck77
04-02-2010, 10:31 PM
Anyone see the David Letterman Show last night?

He had an iPad that he was going to do the top 10 from and after rotating it a full 360 degrees it crashed on him, rebooted and went to some login screen.

They were using it as a coaster for a coffee mug after that!

Big time failure!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqwI-Myg9Bo

Durango
04-02-2010, 10:43 PM
the fact of the matter is the Ipad is a close platform with proprietary software. It is not for the technical savvy user. It does NOT contain the entire internet at the palm of your hands like they claim. It's an over sized Itouch.

I want to download w/e I want when I want to. I want to watch movies illegally if I wanted to, or download a plugin because I want to. Apple will fail, they are going down the same road that macs went.

Wow. Get up on the wrong side of the floor or what?

I'm ordering two iPads, have two iMacs, a Mac mini and a Mac Pro Laptop. I purchased each of those over the last two years and have never had a glitch of any kind. OF ANY KIND. The pc's I had before that were virus machines that needed continuous service, endless security, hardware and software updates and operating platforms too numerous to mention, and you say Apple will fail? What will be available when that happens, because clearly, the pc format is layered with it.

baja
04-02-2010, 10:50 PM
Are you buying 2 i pads so you can listen to your music in stereo

elsid13
04-03-2010, 05:15 AM
At the end of the day it a freaking tool, not a lifestyle like Apple wants you to believe. And as a tool the question what does it offer me, that I can not get cheaper somewhere else?

baja
04-03-2010, 07:30 AM
At the end of the day it a freaking tool, not a lifestyle like Apple wants you to believe. And as a tool the question what does it offer me, that I can not get cheaper somewhere else?

So do you drive a Pinto, shave with a Bic razor, brush your teeth with a brush you got got free when you stayed at a hotel, buy cloths a WalMart, eat Spam, wear plastic shoes, use 3 dollar sun glasses. They are all tools and are cheap.

WolfpackGuy
04-03-2010, 07:48 AM
Can I watch videos of lolcats while lying on the couch?

Kaylore
04-03-2010, 08:41 AM
Again, spoken like someone who is angry, fearful and probably hasn't used both platforms extensively.

By the way, the guy you described is watching porn in his mom's basement right now. His name is Bob. Guess what platform he chooses?

:)

I'm not fearful at all! I used a Mac for video editing extensively for two years including other software like After Effects. I thoroughly enjoyed it during that time. I totally get why they've cornered the market there. I still prefer a PC.

However the myth that PC's are always crashing and having viruses is false and some critical facts aren't being mentioned.

First is that the majority of viruses are created for PC's because more people have PC's than Macs and hackers are trying to do the most damage possible. As Mac's become more popular and their owners continue to become more smug, I anticipate a larger amount of viruses to start showing up to attack their OS as well.

And I had more crashes rendering on a Mac than I ever did on a PC. Now granted, making video on a PC is annoying and choppy, even with the newest version of premiere, however my personal experience and those of my friends don't reflect what Mac cultist like yourself suggest: "Oh they always crash, have tons of bugs and viruses and are hard to use." Not even close.

Finally, I like the idea I can go to microcenter, buy a stick of ram and throw it in my machine and be on my way. The upgrading of Macs is, by design, expensive and annoying, trying to force customers into an up-sell. For people with a six figure income like yourself I'm sure that's no big deal, but for some of us it's cost-prohibitive and irritating.

Broncos4tw
04-03-2010, 09:05 AM
It's far too propitiatory for me to want to use it. And limitations like.. no flash, are just a killer. No flash? Are you kidding me? Multitasking not there, resolution is much better on a laptop (for watching movies).. I just don't get the point of this device. I'll hold out for a revision, if they make a better one.

orange&blue87
04-03-2010, 11:04 AM
It's far too propitiatory for me to want to use it. And limitations like.. no flash, are just a killer. No flash? Are you kidding me? Multitasking not there, resolution is much better on a laptop (for watching movies).. I just don't get the point of this device. I'll hold out for a revision, if they make a better one.

To each their own, but to call it far too propitiatory and then list Flash as your limitation is a bit of a stretch. There are many issues with Flash and I'm pretty sure I spent a pretty good chunk of change for it when I bought it, so it's not an open source program. Sure they have a free plugin, and if you expect everything on the internet to be free of charge then you're likely not looking at very many products that carry a price tag. At $499, the price is fairly cheap in my opinion, but it depends on your situation.

Again, there shouldn't be a huge debate over the product. For many, it won't serve a single function, but for some, it will end up being perfect.

sisterhellfyre
04-03-2010, 04:33 PM
At the end of the day it a freaking tool, not a lifestyle like Apple wants you to believe. And as a tool the question what does it offer me, that I can not get cheaper somewhere else?

For me? Nada.

I've been looking into netbooks recently to go with my PDF book collection. That's just about all I'd use it for at first, tho I could see eventually checking mail or Google Maps at a WiFi spot when I'm already on the road. The best prices I've found yet range from $95 to $129, plus shipping, direct from China. It's all assembled there anyhow, so why not cut out the middleman retailer?

Pseudofool
04-03-2010, 04:39 PM
in the time my father's gone through five macs that he uses to surf the internet and play mp3s, i've had one pc that i use for gaming and nearly everything else. but he swears by macs, and keeps buying. go branding.

Bronx33
04-03-2010, 04:42 PM
in the time my father's gone through five macs that he uses to surf the internet and play mp3s, i've had one pc that i use for gaming and nearly everything else. but he swears by macs, and keeps buying. go branding.

My nephew got a mac for christmas and it already crapped out and i have yet to take my HP in for anything in 6 years.

Bronx33
04-03-2010, 04:56 PM
The Apple cult is giving Scientology a run for its money.

lmao!

DenverBrit
04-03-2010, 05:22 PM
How will we live without it? Ha!

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Bronx33
04-03-2010, 05:36 PM
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Popps
04-03-2010, 06:49 PM
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Finally, I like the idea I can go to microcenter, buy a stick of ram and throw it in my machine and be on my way..

Bro, I went to Fry's last night... bought a 2 GB stick of 3rd party RAM, came home... popped it in the slot and was upgraded in less than 15 minutes, including the trip to the store... and I think it cost around $55, total.

I have no idea where people get this idea that it's somehow difficult or expensive to install RAM in a Mac. My 3 year old could do it.

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For people with a six figure income like yourself I'm sure that's no big deal, but for some of us it's cost-prohibitive and irritating.

I used Macs long before I made the living I'm making now. In fact, part of my loyalty to the brand is that it was very instrumental in me achieving what I have. Reliable, powerful machines that I didn't have to replace every 2 years were a big part of building my own business, and eventually moving onward to bigger things.

Again, I've got no problem with someone who buys an economy car. I understand it. But, why be angry at someone because they drive a luxury car?

Again... if you want a top of the line PC, I mean a quality HP, etc.... you're going to pay close to what you pay for a Mac, anyway.

Yes, you can grab some bucket of bolts laptop off of the shelf at Walmart for $500. But, don't compare that to a Macbook, which leads the planet in customer loyalty and reliability.

Compare the TOP of the line PCs with Macs. That's apples and apples.

And, again... I've got no problem with people on a budget buying products that fit their budget. I've been there. I'm still there in many ways. Conversely, I don't begrudge someone for being willing to spend a little extra on a product that delivers a certain level of reliability, stability, support, etc.

Popps
04-03-2010, 06:52 PM
My nephew got a mac for christmas and it already crapped out and i have yet to take my HP in for anything in 6 years.

I hear stories like this, but I've never seen it happen, personally. I have watched several friends and family members switch from Windows to Mac, and never looked back. But, I guess that's why Macs continually own their competitors with regards to customer satisfaction.

Once again, as every year...

Apple easily outdistanced its peers in a PC industry customer-satisfaction survey conducted by Forrester Research that found PC companies are only slightly more well-liked than insurance companies.
An overall satisfaction rating of 80 percent was good enough for Apple to trounce the second-place finisher, Gateway, which scored 66 percent. Forrester surveyed 4,564 U.S. consumers online in October in compiling the results, which were published Friday on the research firm's Web site.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10222213-37.html

Popps
04-03-2010, 06:58 PM
At the end of the day it a freaking tool, not a lifestyle like Apple wants you to believe. And as a tool the question what does it offer me, that I can not get cheaper somewhere else?

Again, you're talking about 2 things...

1. Advertising

Advertising has been around for a very long time. Companies will attempt to make their product look more important than it really is. This is not a new, different, unique or special trait to Apple Computers.

I just saw (literally) a commercial for Miracle Whip... MIRACLE WHIP, claiming that you're a more exciting person if you use that instead of mayonnaise. (I'm not kidding.)

Now, should I be angry, offended and attacking people on message boards because they like Miracle Whip?

Should the notion that they are making ads to sell their product hurt my sensibilities? Should I feel "cheated" or wronged by them? Are they attacking people who eat mayonnaise? My father likes mayonnaise. Should I be upset?

Or, is that just what companies do?


2. Tools

Tools of all qualities and varieties are available. Yes, you should buy what you can afford, and what you need.

gyldenlove
04-03-2010, 07:08 PM
Bro, I went to Fry's last night... bought a 2 GB stick of 3rd party RAM, came home... popped it in the slot and was upgraded in less than 15 minutes, including the trip to the store... and I think it cost around $55, total.

I have no idea where people get this idea that it's somehow difficult or expensive to install RAM in a Mac. My 3 year old could do it.



I used Macs long before I made the living I'm making now. In fact, part of my loyalty to the brand is that it was very instrumental in me achieving what I have. Reliable, powerful machines that I didn't have to replace every 2 years were a big part of building my own business, and eventually moving onward to bigger things.

Again, I've got no problem with someone who buys an economy car. I understand it. But, why be angry at someone because they drive a luxury car?

Again... if you want a top of the line PC, I mean a quality HP, etc.... you're going to pay close to what you pay for a Mac, anyway.

Yes, you can grab some bucket of bolts laptop off of the shelf at Walmart for $500. But, don't compare that to a Macbook, which leads the planet in customer loyalty and reliability.

Compare the TOP of the line PCs with Macs. That's apples and apples.

And, again... I've got no problem with people on a budget buying products that fit their budget. I've been there. I'm still there in many ways. Conversely, I don't begrudge someone for being willing to spend a little extra on a product that delivers a certain level of reliability, stability, support, etc.

Quick comparison between a macbook pro and a dell studio 15:

Mac: 2.8GHz core 2 duo
Dell: 2.8GHz Core i7 quad (win dell)

Mac: 4 gigs DDR3 1066 ram
Dell: same (tie)

Mac: 512 MB Geforce 9400 M GT (they don't like to say)
Dell: ATI HD 5470 1GB (Dell is slightly faster but not much, so tie and Mac can be upgraded to 9600M GT)

Short summary of the rest:

Same network, same optical drive, dell has more HDD space and upgrading is cheaper (150$ cheaper than mac for a 256 GB solid state).

The Dell is about 700 cheaper than the mac, and has comparable or better specs in every aspect (backlit keyboard and bluetooth were added as extras to the Dell to match the mac).

On a 1700 laptop, 700 is a large chunk of money, I am not paying that premium to get an aluminum case, glossy monitor and shining apple.

Popps
04-03-2010, 07:34 PM
I am not paying that premium to get an aluminum case, glossy monitor and shining apple.

I just checked.

Chryslers and Acuras both have engines.

Guess which one has a higher level of customer satisfaction?


















Guess which one costs more?

broncosteven
04-03-2010, 07:51 PM
...
Again... if you want a top of the line PC, I mean a quality HP, etc.... you're going to pay close to what you pay for a Mac, anyway.

Yes, you can grab some bucket of bolts laptop off of the shelf at Walmart for $500. But, don't compare that to a Macbook, which leads the planet in customer loyalty and reliability.

Compare the TOP of the line PCs with Macs. That's apples and apples.

And, again... I've got no problem with people on a budget buying products that fit their budget. I've been there. I'm still there in many ways. Conversely, I don't begrudge someone for being willing to spend a little extra on a product that delivers a certain level of reliability, stability, support, etc.

Just curious if you have, or had the desire to build your own PC?

Popps
04-03-2010, 08:26 PM
Just curious if you have, or had the desire to build your own PC?

Actually, I would like to. I've basically built recording facilities from the ground up, so putting **** together is right up my alley.

There are some people out there who have had some success building their own boxes that will run Mac OSX. Seems like that would be cool. But, I can't imagine when I could carve out time for something like that. Looks like fun, though.

Popps
04-03-2010, 08:28 PM
Just curious if you have, or had the desire to build your own PC?

The car analogy sort of works here, too.

Some people love cars... so they buy an old Mustang, and spend a ton of time restoring it. Part of the joy for them is just the process of doing it.

Some people love cars, and they go buy a Porsche.


Neither guy is wrong. It's just two different mindsets.

broncosteven
04-03-2010, 08:50 PM
Actually, I would like to. I've basically built recording facilities from the ground up, so putting **** together is right up my alley.

There are some people out there who have had some success building their own boxes that will run Mac OSX. Seems like that would be cool. But, I can't imagine when I could carve out time for something like that. Looks like fun, though.

I think our disconnect is because of my experience building pc platforms from pre DOS 6 through Win7 and Linux, and Server platforms from Netware 3.11 through Win 2008.

You just want to buy a device that starts your video app so you can do your job. I want to understand how the PC works so I can support your video app.

In the IT world it is easier to have one platform and as close to as much like hardware as possible rather than something that may do great video editing but suck at running GPO's on a Windows server domain.

That is where my distain for Apple comes in, they do a nieche well but it is murder if you need to ensure that everyone gets a consistent desktop or need to roll out an app or update to thousands of disparate devices.

I am not taking a shot here but after you build your 1st PC, Mac os or linux or even Win7, you might not value the reliablity or support as much as you used to. Once you become the support and realize the cost savings flexibilty becomes more valuable.

broncosteven
04-03-2010, 08:59 PM
The car analogy sort of works here, too.

Some people love cars... so they buy an old Mustang, and spend a ton of time restoring it. Part of the joy for them is just the process of doing it.

Some people love cars, and they go buy a Porsche.


Neither guy is wrong. It's just two different mindsets.

I like to work on my BMW as much as my back and neck will allow me to also.

I changed the plugs and filters myself recently also researching the parts on some BWM forums and saved a ton of money buying breaks online and having a buddy swap them out in his home garage.

Now that my Warranty is up I am finding a lot of stuff I can do to save money on service and improve it's performance in areas while ensuring that I get another 100k out of it and get from point A to B.

That said I also have a AAA membership.

Check out this dudes Bimmer project:

http://e46.mit.edu/

Lolad
04-03-2010, 09:45 PM
Wow. Get up on the wrong side of the floor or what?

I'm ordering two iPads, have two iMacs, a Mac mini and a Mac Pro Laptop. I purchased each of those over the last two years and have never had a glitch of any kind. OF ANY KIND. The pc's I had before that were virus machines that needed continuous service, endless security, hardware and software updates and operating platforms too numerous to mention, and you say Apple will fail? What will be available when that happens, because clearly, the pc format is layered with it.

Apple is forcing you the consumer to purchase EVERYTHING from them. Did you know if they wanted to they could erase any app off your device they deemed unworthy of you having?

If you like to be enclosed in boundaries and want what you do with the product dictated to you. Then go right ahead and buy it.

Popps
04-04-2010, 01:14 AM
Apple is forcing you the consumer to purchase EVERYTHING from them. Did you know if they wanted to they could erase any app off your device they deemed unworthy of you having? .

This is so patently false, I don't even know where to begin.

Honestly, people just lie... and assume other people don't know better.

Hey boss, I just replaced MY OWN memory last night on the cheap, from a 3rd party seller with a 3rd party brand of memory.

You're just lying. I'm not sure what it is that brings you to invent things like this, but you really should get some help for it. You're 100% full of ****.

Oh, and I've owned Apple's for 15 years. Never had a single app deleted, ever... nor have I known anyone else who has. I've also jailbroken an iPhone for 3rd party apps.

Again, try to know what you're talking about before offering advice, because you very clearly have no idea.

SouthStndJunkie
04-04-2010, 01:26 AM
I have always been a PC guy, but two years ago my employer bought me a MacBook Pro and it kicks ass.

I could very easily be happy with a good PC laptop and have been with Dells and an IBM Think Pad, but I have been very impressed with the MacBook Pro.

Lolad
04-04-2010, 08:02 AM
This is so patently false, I don't even know where to begin.

Honestly, people just lie... and assume other people don't know better.

Hey boss, I just replaced MY OWN memory last night on the cheap, from a 3rd party seller with a 3rd party brand of memory.

You're just lying. I'm not sure what it is that brings you to invent things like this, but you really should get some help for it. You're 100% full of ****.

Oh, and I've owned Apple's for 15 years. Never had a single app deleted, ever... nor have I known anyone else who has. I've also jailbroken an iPhone for 3rd party apps.

Again, try to know what you're talking about before offering advice, because you very clearly have no idea.

I'm glad you think I'm lying I can tell you're an apple fan boy..
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10010070-37.html

Larry Dignan at ZDnet points out that Apple could have included this function as a nod to enterprise customers who might want tight control over what applications are installed on their handsets. Many corporate IT shops don't even allow people to install unapproved applications on their PCs, and you can bet those folks would want to control what gets installed on one of their iPhones.

And, of course, there is the possibility that Apple could use this blacklist to disable any applications that it decides are violations of its (or its carrier partners') terms of service, or ones that compete with current or future Apple applications. This theory is not entirely the work of paranoid conspiracy theorists, as Apple's tight-fisted control over the iPhone development process chafes many developers who might be tempted to strike out on their own with applications that go after Apple's core businesses, such as iTunes.

Zdziarski noted that any "truly malicious software is going to find a way to burrow deeper into the iPhone's operating system so that a simple mechanism like this wouldn't affect it... so really the only type of applications this could effectively kill off are applications that are annoying to Apple, but not malicious. That certainly calls for a lot more concern."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/3358134/Apples-Jobs-confirms-iPhone-kill-switch.html

However, Mr Jobs insisted that the so-called 'kill switch' was there as a precaution, rather than a function that was routinely used.

"Hopefully we never have to pull that lever, but we would be irresponsible not to have a lever like that to pull," said Mr Jobs.

Try to explain...

wolverine
04-04-2010, 08:09 AM
Love my Macs too. I'm paying a premium, but I spend 8-10 hours a day working on my Macbook and Imac. If you use something that much, nice, aesthetic touches, like an aluminum case, are IMHO worth the premium.
I also love the OS. It's well designed, functional -- and aesthetic.
I guess what I'm saying is if you use something a lot intangibles, like aesthetics, become important.

sixtimeseight
04-04-2010, 08:49 AM
I'm glad you think I'm lying I can tell you're an apple fan boy..
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10010070-37.html

Larry Dignan at ZDnet points out that Apple could have included this function as a nod to enterprise customers who might want tight control over what applications are installed on their handsets. Many corporate IT shops don't even allow people to install unapproved applications on their PCs, and you can bet those folks would want to control what gets installed on one of their iPhones.

And, of course, there is the possibility that Apple could use this blacklist to disable any applications that it decides are violations of its (or its carrier partners') terms of service, or ones that compete with current or future Apple applications. This theory is not entirely the work of paranoid conspiracy theorists, as Apple's tight-fisted control over the iPhone development process chafes many developers who might be tempted to strike out on their own with applications that go after Apple's core businesses, such as iTunes.

Zdziarski noted that any "truly malicious software is going to find a way to burrow deeper into the iPhone's operating system so that a simple mechanism like this wouldn't affect it... so really the only type of applications this could effectively kill off are applications that are annoying to Apple, but not malicious. That certainly calls for a lot more concern."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/3358134/Apples-Jobs-confirms-iPhone-kill-switch.html

However, Mr Jobs insisted that the so-called 'kill switch' was there as a precaution, rather than a function that was routinely used.

"Hopefully we never have to pull that lever, but we would be irresponsible not to have a lever like that to pull," said Mr Jobs.

Try to explain...

pwned

SonOfLe-loLang
04-04-2010, 09:07 AM
Regardless of which product works better ( I'm a mac guy at home, pc at work, and I admittedly prefer my mac) ever try to get phone help fixing a pc? Good luck. At work, we bought three new fancy pc's and within 3 weeks all the hard drives died. Six hours later, I get cut off from my phone call (six hours of waiting, beong transferred, etc) to god knows where and still had no answers. If my mac ever has issues (and I've actually never had one single issue in my twelve years of mac using), I just bring it to the mac store down the street.

DenverBrit
04-04-2010, 09:42 AM
This is so patently false, I don't even know where to begin.

Honestly, people just lie... and assume other people don't know better.

Hey boss, I just replaced MY OWN memory last night on the cheap, from a 3rd party seller with a 3rd party brand of memory.

You're just lying. I'm not sure what it is that brings you to invent things like this, but you really should get some help for it. You're 100% full of ****.

Oh, and I've owned Apple's for 15 years. Never had a single app deleted, ever... nor have I known anyone else who has. I've also jailbroken an iPhone for 3rd party apps.

Again, try to know what you're talking about before offering advice, because you very clearly have no idea.


Begin with Apple's now notorious developers contract.
Apple are control freaks who WILL pull any app without explanation or compensation. There are many reasons the majority of software developers stay away from Apple.....mostly because their computer share is minimal, but also because they own and control everything you do, if you develop apps for their products.


Apple’s Secret iPhone Dev Agreement Revealed
9:10 AM - March 10, 2010 - By Kevin Parrish - Source : Tom's Guide US

Apple is frighteningly strict with its app developers.

ZoomThe Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) has acquired Apple's secretive iPhone developer agreement, spelling out an interesting insight into what the company demands of its app creators. The 28-page document can be found here in PDF format, recently provided by NASA over the Moon Lander app for Apple's iPhone and iPod Touch. The EFF used the Freedom of Information Act to ask NASA for the copy-- NASA responded with the Rev. 3-17-09 version of the agreement.

Some of the requirements aren't that surprising. For starters, Apple has placed a ban on public statements regarding the agreement. Developers who sign the contract cannot reveal anything within the document. Additionally, all apps developed using Apple's SDK can only be distributed through the App Store. This means any rejected app cannot appear on any other markets like Cydia or Rock Your Phone.

Other Apple restrictions include a ban of SDK or iPhone OS reverse engineering, and a ban on "tinkering" with any Apple software or technology
. The agreement also states that Apple will never be liable to any developer for more than $50 in damages, and that Apple has the right to "revoke the digital certificate of any of Your Applications
at any time."

The EFF spelled it out perfectly however: all your apps are belong to Apple. That's true whether the app is approved or rejected.

"Overall, the Agreement is a very one-sided contract, favoring Apple at every turn," said EFF's Fred von Lohmann. "How can Apple get away with it? Because it is the sole gateway to the more than 40 million iPhones that have been sold. In other words, it's only because Apple still "owns" the customer, long after each iPhone (and soon, iPad) is sold, that it is able to push these contractual terms on the entire universe of software developers for the platform."

And just think, the iPad launches next month.


Apple control and censor EVERY app that is developed and will pull any app for any reason without compensation or the rights to sell it elsewhere. In other words, even if you spend hundreds of thousands developing apps, you don't own them, Apple does and they don't pay a dime for them.

"Apple may cease distribution of Your Licensed Application(s) and/or Licensed Application Information or revoke the digital certificate of any of Your Applications at any time," the agreement states.

Apple also can be as arbitrary as it wants in deciding what goes into the App Store, a charge developers have leveled at the company. "Apple may, in its sole discretion... reject Your Application for distribution for any reason, even if Your Application meets the Documentation and Program Requirements," reads the contract.


http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9168438/EFF_dubs_Apple_a_jealous_feudal_lord_over_iPhone_d ev_contract

sisterhellfyre
04-04-2010, 12:38 PM
Regardless of which product works better ( I'm a mac guy at home, pc at work, and I admittedly prefer my mac) ever try to get phone help fixing a pc? Good luck.

I haven't bothered with tech support phone calls in probably 10 years. It's not worth the hassle, the waiting on hold listening to bad music, and (frequently) the expense. The chances are pretty good that if I'm having a problem with either hardware or software, someone else has had it too, and I can search the Web for their solutions.

For that situation where the new PCs were probably still under warranty, I'd probably make some calls too. Or just replace the hard drives. Depending on the size you need, they're dirt cheap.

wolverine
04-04-2010, 12:52 PM
There are many reasons the majority of software developers stay away from Apple.....mostly because their computer share is minimal, but also because they own and control everything you do, if you develop apps for their products.

Apple control and censor EVERY app that is developed and will pull any app for any reason without compensation or the rights to sell it elsewhere. In other words, even if you spend hundreds of thousands developing apps, you don't own them, Apple does and they don't pay a dime for them.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9168438/EFF_dubs_Apple_a_jealous_feudal_lord_over_iPhone_d ev_contract

How come Apple has a 99% share of the app market then? Seems to me the first platform any smart app designer is going to develop for is Apple because it is so dominant.

I just had to serve a DMCA "take down" notice on Apple for an infringing app. Apple removed the app within a week. So there's another side to your argument: In this case, I'm very glad Apple polices the products it distributes.

DenverBrit
04-04-2010, 03:43 PM
How come Apple has a 99% share of the app market then? Seems to me the first platform any smart app designer is going to develop for is Apple because it is so dominant.

I just had to serve a DMCA "take down" notice on Apple for an infringing app. Apple removed the app within a week. So there's another side to your argument: In this case, I'm very glad Apple polices the products it distributes.

I don't know what is the total market is for apps.

Only one thing is certain, if you design for Apple, you no longer own it, have no rights to market it elsewhere and have a limit on recovering any damages from Apple to $50.

As for being a 'smart' developer, when the iPhone was the dominant app vehicle, there wasn't much choice.....but that's changing and rapidly. There are other choices.

Jobs is making the same business decisions that created what is arguably the worst business strategy in the last 50 years: Refusing to license the OS when it was clearly the best available.

Even Bill Gates urged him to license it. That's why Apple is now a 'gadget' maker and no longer describes itself as a 'computer company.'

Popps
04-04-2010, 04:12 PM
Jobs is making the same business decisions that created what is arguably the worst business strategy in the last 50 years.'

Apple just surpassed Walmart in market cap...

http://www.9to5mac.com/microsoft-aaple-market-cap-34098360

Jobs was just unanimously voted the world's most valuable CEO.

Sounds like their business strategy is doing just fine.


Even Bill Gates urged him to license it. That's why Apple is now a 'gadget' maker and no longer describes itself as a 'computer company.'

Apple's multiple gadgets have always been designed to drive customers to the mac, itself. It still is, but the world is changing. The days of people solely using a giant desktop in their office are over.

Apple designs products that suit a changing technological landscape. They're looking toward the future instead of chasing people, which is why their wildly successful.

Popps
04-04-2010, 04:15 PM
IApple, you no longer own it, have no rights to market it elsewhere and have a limit on recovering any damages from Apple to $50. .'

Incorrect.

Don't want to deal with Apple? Simply sell it as a 3rd party seller via Cydia, etc. You familiar with jailbreaking?

Popps
04-04-2010, 04:18 PM
Begin with Apple's now notorious developers contract.
Apple are control freaks who WILL pull any app without explanation or compensation. ]

Ahhh... and we begin to shift topics as the myths are dispelled, one by one.

Since when did App control become the topic, here?

Some dude flat out told a lie about being able to upgrade hardware, and I corrected him.

Now we're shifting topics?

As for those topics, see my prior posts.

Beyond that, how surprised are you that a powerhouse company would want to retain some control over their products?

It shouldn't surprise people that Apple advertises their products, and it shouldn't hurt people's feelings.

It also shouldn't surprise people that Apple wants to retain as much control over the monetary flow of apps used on their device as possible.

Honestly, are people here just completely business-illiterate?

atomicbloke
04-04-2010, 04:20 PM
Wow... so much animosity over a computing platform....

I have a compromise solution for everybody.... do what I did.... over the past month... I assembled 3 computers with top of the shelf components.... and installed OSX on them..... Hackintosh all the way!...... now I use machines with hardware of my choosing and an operating system of my choosing....

Popps
04-04-2010, 04:21 PM
Regardless of which product works better ( I'm a mac guy at home, pc at work, and I admittedly prefer my mac) ever try to get phone help fixing a pc? Good luck. At work, we bought three new fancy pc's and within 3 weeks all the hard drives died. Six hours later, I get cut off from my phone call (six hours of waiting, beong transferred, etc) to god knows where and still had no answers. If my mac ever has issues (and I've actually never had one single issue in my twelve years of mac using), I just bring it to the mac store down the street.

Funny.

My wife's father is almost 80 years old. He had a fairly new Dell laptop a few years ago. It almost drove him nuts. He told stories of being left on hold for support for over an hour, being cut off... and finally dealing with someone he couldn't understand.

We bought him a macbook a few years ago and haven't heard a peep from him since, except when he and grandma are taking to our daughter via ichat.

Popps
04-04-2010, 04:25 PM
Wow... so much animosity over a computing platform....

I have a compromise solution for everybody.... do what I did.... over the past month... I assembled 3 computers with top of the shelf components.... and installed OSX on them..... Hackintosh all the way!...... now I use machines with hardware of my choosing and an operating system of my choosing....

Pretty cool. I hope to have time to do a project like that at some point.

(Btw, I also switch between Mac OS and Windows via bootcamp, but avoid Windows as much as possible. :)

I agree, though. I just don't get the hatred.

If you see a thread here about someone having virus problems with their Windows machine, you never see at overrun and attacked by Mac users.

Conversely, throw up a thread with the word "apple" it the title, and people are on the verge of tears. They resort to being children. Then, turn around and say how happy they are with their computer choice.

How many happy people do you know that have to attack someone else for their... oh, I don't know.... peanut butter choice?


Skippy? **** that!! Skippy is lame. Only losers use Skippy. I saved 30 cents buying Jiff last week. Skippy's ads lie! They say their product is better and it hurts me!!

DenverBrit
04-04-2010, 04:30 PM
Incorrect.

Don't want to deal with Apple? Simply sell it as a 3rd party seller via Cydia, etc. You familiar with jailbreaking?

Surprised you chose that avenue. ;D

Apple: iPhone Jailbreak hack violates the law
Apple says hack amounts to copyright infringement; EFF calls that stance absurd

Jailbreaking an iPhone breaks the law, Apple said, because the process relies on pirated copies of the bootloader and operating system.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9127978/Apple_iPhone_Jailbreak_hack_violates_the_law

DenverBrit
04-04-2010, 04:32 PM
Ahhh... and we begin to shift topics as the myths are dispelled, one by one.

Since when did App control become the topic, here?

Some dude flat out told a lie about being able to upgrade hardware, and I corrected him.

Now we're shifting topics?

As for those topics, see my prior posts.

Beyond that, how surprised are you that a powerhouse company would want to retain some control over their products?

It shouldn't surprise people that Apple advertises their products, and it shouldn't hurt people's feelings.

It also shouldn't surprise people that Apple wants to retain as much control over the monetary flow of apps used on their device as possible.

Honestly, are people here just completely business-illiterate?

I thought about foodjacking, but sometimes it's more fun to dig a little deeper into a topic. ;)

OABB
04-04-2010, 04:33 PM
Mac is better in every way except playing world of Warcraft and doing nerdy speadsheets for your lame accounting job.

DenverBrit
04-04-2010, 04:41 PM
Apple just surpassed Walmart in market cap...

http://www.9to5mac.com/microsoft-aaple-market-cap-34098360

Jobs was just unanimously voted the world's most valuable CEO.

Sounds like their business strategy is doing just fine.


Nah, Apple screwed up it's core business in an epic way and gave control of the PC industry to Bill Gates and freeking DOS.

Even the Mac press can agree on that.

MacDailyNews
Apple’s decision not to license Mac OS deemed ‘biggest business blunder in the past half-century’

What is the biggest business blunder in the past half-century? That's easy: Steve Jobs's decision not to license the Macintosh operating system, which cost Apple $559 billion (going by peak market values). Apple had, and probably still has, a better OS than Microsoft's. Instead of leading a $23 billion also-ran, Jobs could have been Bill Gates, with a company worth $582 billion. But Jobs failed to foresee the Mac OS's decline and to take appropriate action: Give in to the inevitable and license the thing," Lester Thurow writes for Fast Company.

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/4035/

Popps
04-04-2010, 05:03 PM
Larry Dignan at ZDnet points out that Apple could have included this function as a nod to enterprise customers who might want tight control over what applications..

LOL

And another subject change.

Hey, let's just keep changing the subject when we're proven 100% incorrect.

That's fun!

"Umm... dude, like you can't even change your memory in a Mac."

"That's total lie. I did it today."

"Umm... well, umm.... well someone I've never met could have had an app deleted at some point."


Hilarious!



Btw, I love the "fan boy" attack.

Like I said, I didn't attack you for choosing Windows. Why do you feel so insecure about your choice of computer platform?

Honestly, this **** is fascinating. There's a deeper psychology at work here, but I haven't put my finger on it yet.

Popps
04-04-2010, 05:05 PM
Nah, Apple screwed up it's core business in an epic way and gave control of the PC industry to Bill Gates and freeking DOS.
]

Again, they just passed Walmart and are closing on Microsoft. Looks like business is just fine.

I know my $86 stock has turned into $235 a share. :)

baja
04-04-2010, 06:23 PM
LOL

And another subject change.

Hey, let's just keep changing the subject when we're proven 100% incorrect.

That's fun!

"Umm... dude, like you can't even change your memory in a Mac."

"That's total lie. I did it today."

"Umm... well, umm.... well someone I've never met could have had an app deleted at some point."


Hilarious!



Btw, I love the "fan boy" attack.

Like I said, I didn't attack you for choosing Windows. Why do you feel so insecure about your choice of computer platform?

<b>Honestly, this **** is fascinating. There's a deeper psychology at work here, but I haven't put my finger on it yet.

It's a statement of one's individuality tied to a product that actually is better and way more cool. That's winning formula.

broncosteven
04-04-2010, 08:12 PM
Pretty cool. I hope to have time to do a project like that at some point.

(Btw, I also switch between Mac OS and Windows via bootcamp, but avoid Windows as much as possible. :)


I have never had to boot into Mac OS to do anything on my PC.

Last time I did a dual boot was when NT came out and I booted between 95 and NT for testing.

What's up with the dual boot? Sounds like a pain to have to save everything reboot into Windows do what you need to then reboot back into Mac OS.

snowspot66
04-04-2010, 08:23 PM
I use both. I like both. I never have problems with either and I'm not especially versed in the inner workings of PCs. I could live without Mac but not without a PC. I prefer PC for the heavy work and gaming and I prefer Mac for the web browsing.

As for the IPad?

Why?

The day somebody can explain why the **** I would ever specifically need one of these maybe I won't think it's retarded. Anything it can do a laptop (Mac or PC) can do better. If Jobs wants to give up the pretense of this being a separate type of machine from a laptop then fine. Develop it as a laptop with full functionality. Not this halfway bull****. No multitask, no Flash, no browser other than Safari, no thanks.

Lolad
04-04-2010, 10:39 PM
LOL

And another subject change.

Hey, let's just keep changing the subject when we're proven 100% incorrect.

That's fun!

"Umm... dude, like you can't even change your memory in a Mac."

"That's total lie. I did it today."

"Umm... well, umm.... well someone I've never met could have had an app deleted at some point."


Hilarious!



Btw, I love the "fan boy" attack.

Like I said, I didn't attack you for choosing Windows. Why do you feel so insecure about your choice of computer platform?

Honestly, this **** is fascinating. There's a deeper psychology at work here, but I haven't put my finger on it yet.

Ok.. lets not change the subject. I proved that there is a kill switch, this developer says the kill switch couldn't kill malicious software. Jobs confirmed that they do have it. What's your take?

You can leave your apology when you reply btw.

Popps
04-05-2010, 03:04 AM
Ok.. lets not change the subject. I proved that there is a kill switch, this developer says the kill switch couldn't kill malicious software. Jobs confirmed that they do have it. What's your take?

You can leave your apology when you reply btw.

Kill switch.

Hilarious!


You said they wouldn't let people change hardware.

You were wrong. 100% wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about. Once proven wrong, you shifted to talking about their App policy.

By the way, in 15 years... I've never known anyone who's gotten the "kill switch."

Maybe you need a hobby. You've got an active imagination.




Like I said, there's a psychology at work here that is fascinating. This guy is happy to make up lies to bash something that he can simply just not purchase. But, for some reason... it makes him so irate that he needs to attack people on a message board. It's fascinating. It's like watching lab rats or something.

Popps
04-05-2010, 03:09 AM
I have never had to boot into Mac OS to do anything on my PC.

Last time I did a dual boot was when NT came out and I booted between 95 and NT for testing.

What's up with the dual boot? Sounds like a pain to have to save everything reboot into Windows do what you need to then reboot back into Mac OS.

The only time I need to boot into Windows is if there's some obscure program that won't run on Mac. (Shareware, etc.) I almost never have to, but it's nice to have the option. 98% of what I need now is running on Mac OS, so there's no need to boot into a clunkier operating system. The days of companies not making Mac versions of important software are long gone.

Thankfully, I'm able to spend almost all of my computing time in a more stable, intuitive OS.

Lolad
04-05-2010, 07:01 AM
Kill switch.

Hilarious!


You said they wouldn't let people change hardware.

You were wrong. 100% wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about. Once proven wrong, you shifted to talking about their App policy.

By the way, in 15 years... I've never known anyone who's gotten the "kill switch."

Maybe you need a hobby. You've got an active imagination.




Like I said, there's a psychology at work here that is fascinating. This guy is happy to make up lies to bash something that he can simply just not purchase. But, for some reason... it makes him so irate that he needs to attack people on a message board. It's fascinating. It's like watching lab rats or something.

Apple is forcing you the consumer to purchase EVERYTHING from them. Did you know if they wanted to they could erase any app off your device they deemed unworthy of you having?

If you like to be enclosed in boundaries and want what you do with the product dictated to you. Then go right ahead and buy it.

What post are you referring to? I think you have me confused with another poster. I never said they didn't allow you to change your hardware. The kill switch is in fact TRUE! I just posted links to the article and jobs admitting to it himself. What more do you need? Your faith is blinding you it's sad.

montrose
04-05-2010, 08:25 AM
Per the iPad, I played with it at work - pretty fun but I'm not exactly sure what the practical use of it is.

JJG
04-05-2010, 06:02 PM
Like I said, there's a psychology at work here that is fascinating. This guy is happy to make up lies to bash something that he can simply just not purchase. But, for some reason... it makes him so irate that he needs to attack people on a message board. It's fascinating. It's like watching lab rats or something.

yep. People seem to do it anytime soccer is brought up as well.

Popps
04-05-2010, 06:06 PM
yep. People seem to do it anytime soccer is brought up as well.

Good point.

I'm not a soccer-guy, but I like keeping up with the Cup when it's going on. I can't see being so fearful of it that I need to attack people in soccer threads.

Like I said, there's a psychology at work. Not sure what it is, but if someone is really confident in the choice they've made, do they need to launch unsolicited attacks on someone else's choice? Seems odd to me.

bowtown
04-05-2010, 06:08 PM
I use both. I like both. I never have problems with either and I'm not especially versed in the inner workings of PCs. I could live without Mac but not without a PC. I prefer PC for the heavy work and gaming and I prefer Mac for the web browsing.

As for the IPad?

Why?

The day somebody can explain why the **** I would ever specifically need one of these maybe I won't think it's retarded. Anything it can do a laptop (Mac or PC) can do better. If Jobs wants to give up the pretense of this being a separate type of machine from a laptop then fine. Develop it as a laptop with full functionality. Not this halfway bull****. No multitask, no Flash, no browser other than Safari, no thanks.


Agree pretty much entirely.

Popps
04-05-2010, 06:11 PM
Per the iPad, I played with it at work - pretty fun but I'm not exactly sure what the practical use of it is.

They interviewed a couple of businessmen on CNBC today. They were saying they liked the idea of a lighter, more portable device to replace taking their laptops on all trips.

Sounds like they sold 300K of these things already. I believe the Kindle just hit 3 million, and it's been around for a couple of years.

Looks to me like a laptop/smart phone go-between. Plenty of people have a use for something like that. Not sure I do, but I know a lot of people who would. The phone is too small, the laptop is sometimes more than you need.
My wife actually thinks it would be perfect for her. She's chasing our little one around all day and likes the idea of moving it around the house with her, taking it wither her to classes, etc.

It's interesting. I'm not sure why anyone would be upset over it. Just don't buy it.

But, even if you don't buy it... people should be happy that Apple is out there pushing the envelope with these products.

Does anyone think Android would exist if not for the iPhone?

These companies push each other and the end result is better products for us all. Apple is one of the big pushers.

Dagmar
04-05-2010, 06:13 PM
yep. People seem to do it anytime soccer is brought up as well.

One of the websites I frequent has a simple rule, for "Official" threads. If someone wanted to start an official Soccer thread, if a troll (azbronco fan in the soccer thread for example) comes in just to rip on people they get a vacation.

bpc could start the "Official Mike Shanahan appreciation thread" in which people couldn't go in and be anti-Shanny etc.

It'd be nice.

Dagmar
04-05-2010, 06:16 PM
I have to say, the Slate looks pretty good.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2hd5zfb.jpg

Popps
04-05-2010, 06:27 PM
One of the websites I frequent has a simple rule, for "Official" threads. If someone wanted to start an official Soccer thread, if a troll (azbronco fan in the soccer thread for example) comes in just to rip on people they get a vacation.

bpc could start the "Official Mike Shanahan appreciation thread" in which people couldn't go in and be anti-Shanny etc.

It'd be nice.

Taco isn't much of a community guy, he's more of a traffic guy. Nothing wrong with that, but it's for that reason you'll never see that happen.

I think it would be cool, though. Just to have a few topics that could be discussed without a total derail.

gyldenlove
04-05-2010, 07:39 PM
They interviewed a couple of businessmen on CNBC today. They were saying they liked the idea of a lighter, more portable device to replace taking their laptops on all trips.

Sounds like they sold 300K of these things already. I believe the Kindle just hit 3 million, and it's been around for a couple of years.

Looks to me like a laptop/smart phone go-between. Plenty of people have a use for something like that. Not sure I do, but I know a lot of people who would. The phone is too small, the laptop is sometimes more than you need.
My wife actually thinks it would be perfect for her. She's chasing our little one around all day and likes the idea of moving it around the house with her, taking it wither her to classes, etc.

It's interesting. I'm not sure why anyone would be upset over it. Just don't buy it.

But, even if you don't buy it... people should be happy that Apple is out there pushing the envelope with these products.

Does anyone think Android would exist if not for the iPhone?

These companies push each other and the end result is better products for us all. Apple is one of the big pushers.

Apple has certainly done a lot for the gadget market, no doubt about that, although I have to say that it has been a little quiet since the ipod touch, which had a phone put inside and became the iphone and then got bigger and was called the ipad.

The problem with the ipad is that you are stuck without software, it is fine if all you want to do is use facebook, gmail and whatever other mainstream websites you use and make simple notes, but for most pro users it is entirely worthless since it doesn't allow for working with any kind of data and the storage is puny - I still don't see the need to get this one if you have an iphone or a netbook, I suspect that many people who buy these will put them away in favor of their iphones and laptops because they are too big to carry if you don't have a bag and if you have a bag you might as well carry a real laptop, the battery life isn't even that much better than a laptop.

Archer81
04-05-2010, 07:41 PM
Heard about these kids in Pittsburgh who decided to smash one "just cuz"...for some reason, that angered the **** out of me.


:Broncos:

baja
04-05-2010, 07:44 PM
Apple has certainly done a lot for the gadget market, no doubt about that, although I have to say that it has been a little quiet since the ipod touch, which had a phone put inside and became the iphone and then got bigger and was called the ipad.

The problem with the ipad is that you are stuck without software, it is fine if all you want to do is use facebook, gmail and whatever other mainstream websites you use and make simple notes, but for most pro users it is entirely worthless since it doesn't allow for working with any kind of data and the storage is puny - I still don't see the need to get this one if you have an iphone or a netbook, I suspect that many people who buy these will put them away in favor of their iphones and laptops because they are too big to carry if you don't have a bag and if you have a bag you might as well carry a real laptop, the battery life isn't even that much better than a laptop.

Good argument!

I still want one...

Dagmar
04-05-2010, 07:45 PM
Heard about these kids in Pittsburgh who decided to smash one "just cuz"...for some reason, that angered the **** out of me.


:Broncos:

I worked across the road from the Apple store and when the iphone came out a bunch of spoiled ****s in line had hammers and were smashing their Blackberry's.

Couldn't sell them and give the money to charity, couldn't donate them, had to smash them. While people struggle to eat.

I want to take one of those claw hammers, bend one over and...

baja
04-05-2010, 07:47 PM
That is a clear case of having tooo much shiit....

Archer81
04-05-2010, 07:52 PM
I worked across the road from the Apple store and when the iphone came out a bunch of spoiled ****s in line had hammers and were smashing their Blackberry's.

Couldn't sell them and give the money to charity, couldn't donate them, had to smash them. While people struggle to eat.

I want to take one of those claw hammers, bend one over and...


Yeah. The kid buys one for $500, smashes it. Then tells a reporter he bought a couple more because "he loves apple"...It must be nice to just throw $500 away. Dumb ****ing kids. And people wonder why the world hates us.


:Broncos:

Que
04-05-2010, 09:00 PM
Piper Jaffray estimates 700k iPads sold over the weekend including pre orders. Apple confirms 300k sold in stores on Saturday.

To put that in perspective it took 41 days to sell the first million iPhones. Verizon sold 1.05 million Droids in the first 41 days 2.5 years later. Good only sold 185k Nexus Ones during the first 41 days. Apple will sell the first million iPads in 14 days if not less.

So 700k after opening weekend for an expensive device in a non-existent genre (tablets) is ridonkulously impressive. Like it or not, it is a hit of huge proportions thus far and I foresee a time we wonder how we got along without an iPad or iPad like device.


I am waiting for the 3g model. Also, just so we are clear here - all you prematurely balding, IRQ changing, NT loving, driver updating douchebags are wrong. The only reason to use a PC is to play games that don't run on OS X. Kinda like the Amiga was. Ok got that? Thanks.

Dagmar
04-05-2010, 09:06 PM
I am waiting for the 3g model. Also, just so we are clear here - all you prematurely balding, IRQ changing, NT loving, driver updating douchebags are wrong. The only reason to use a PC is to play games that don't run on OS X. Kinda like the Amiga was. Ok got that? Thanks.

You are a sad individual...

Popps
04-05-2010, 10:05 PM
The problem with the ipad is that you are stuck without software, it is fine if all you want to do is use facebook, gmail and whatever other mainstream websites you use and make simple notes, but for most pro users it is entirely worthless .

The things flew off the shelves today. So, you may not have a need for it, but apparently the public does.

As for "not having software," there are something like a million apps available.
You can do more than "take simple notes" with it.

Beyond that, who said this was targeted at "pro" users? They have a unit for that. In fact, it has the word "pro" in the title. The ipad clearly markets itself as a consumer product. That said, they were interviewing businessmen on CNBC today who said they were looking forward to using it.

So, you seem to be mixing arguments. Apple is telling you exactly what this is. I'm not sure why we're pretending we don't understand, and comparing it to high end laptops?

tsiguy96
04-05-2010, 10:05 PM
if only it had USB

or maybe they have a version coming out with it? i dunno, the ipad is cool though

baja
04-05-2010, 10:12 PM
Ya I really don't get the lack of a USB port.

Jori
04-05-2010, 10:16 PM
It's a cool looking device, though I'm not ready to make the jump to a "tablet" device. I still prefer the feel of a real keyboard, even with my cellphone (not ready to give up my Blackberry Curve). I also still like the feel of real books. Not quite ready to make that leap, but this and all the upcoming devices (i.e. HP slate) are tempting.

DenverBrit
04-05-2010, 10:30 PM
You are a sad individual...

He's the kind of fanboy who drooled and swooned when Jobs seriously announced the iTouch as "The 8th wonder of the world." Ha!

NFLBRONCO
04-05-2010, 10:50 PM
Ya I really don't get the lack of a USB port.

I blame McD's

snowspot66
04-06-2010, 12:10 AM
The things flew off the shelves today. So, you may not have a need for it, but apparently the public does.

As for "not having software," there are something like a million apps available.
You can do more than "take simple notes" with it.

Beyond that, who said this was targeted at "pro" users? They have a unit for that. In fact, it has the word "pro" in the title. The ipad clearly markets itself as a consumer product. That said, they were interviewing businessmen on CNBC today who said they were looking forward to using it.

So, you seem to be mixing arguments. Apple is telling you exactly what this is. I'm not sure why we're pretending we don't understand, and comparing it to high end laptops?

The comparison comes from it's price and the fact that it doesn't do anything a laptop can't do just as well if not better. People may be buying these things but at best they are a redundant piece of electronics at this point in time. The IPad isn't even the first tablet to be thrown out there. Bill Gates was pimping this idea in 2000. But the IPad is doing well because of the brand. To get everybody fully on board this product needs to separate itself from laptops either by doing something they can't (can't even imagine what that might be, they're both computers after all) or by becoming better than laptops and everything they are capable of.

It's a luxury item to solve a problem that doesn't exist. I won't bury it as a design failure because it might just be a concept (that they could also sell) working towards an improved laptop design. But for now unless you're buying it for the packaging your not getting anything original, unique, or any more useful.

snowspot66
04-06-2010, 12:19 AM
The only time I need to boot into Windows is if there's some obscure program that won't run on Mac. (Shareware, etc.) I almost never have to, but it's nice to have the option. 98% of what I need now is running on Mac OS, so there's no need to boot into a clunkier operating system. The days of companies not making Mac versions of important software are long gone.

Thankfully, I'm able to spend almost all of my computing time in a more stable, intuitive OS.

I don't understand this statement. My Mac has crashed more than any PC I've ever owned which is to say two or three times total. What are you people doing to your computers to make them **** up so much? I use some incredibly processor heavy programs and I don't have these massive problems.

As for intuitive. How is Mac more intuitive? What are you doing that is so confusing on a PC? The only difference I ever notice is the keyboards, mice, and all the default programs start with i. Oh and I hate Mac keyboards and Mac mice.

You all are trading barbs over the differences and I have to ask what differences? They rip off each other constantly just like the gaming consoles do.