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gyldenlove
01-25-2010, 11:35 AM
Here are the first rankings of the season:

http://www.nfl.com/seniorbowl/story?id=09000d5d815ee2f1&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Man-Goblin
01-25-2010, 11:41 AM
McCoy over Suh. Pouncey is a cool name for a guard. Angerer is a cool name for a linebacker.

PRBronco
01-25-2010, 11:45 AM
I wish he had separate Center rankings. Still awesome though.

UberBroncoMan
01-25-2010, 11:49 AM
That kid out of Central Michigan is someone I'd like at QB... dump Simms and now we've got two young QB's fighting each other to succeed Orton (even though Brandstater isn't that young).

OBF1
01-25-2010, 12:44 PM
It is officially draft talk time now that someone besides kiper has listed. Right about now I wish we had like 10 picks in the 1, 2 and 3 rounds combined. Alot of talent out there for sure. Please Denver.... Do not wiff this year.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-25-2010, 01:14 PM
Say on a diff't board that Charlie Casserly apparently said he thinks this years' 1st round is the best since '83.

NFLBRONCO
01-25-2010, 02:02 PM
Say on a diff't board that Charlie Casserly apparently said he thinks this years' 1st round is the best since '83.

Sweet

gyldenlove
01-26-2010, 10:24 AM
Say on a diff't board that Charlie Casserly apparently said he thinks this years' 1st round is the best since '83.

That is pretty accurate, one reason obviously is the fear of a rookie wage scale so more quality underclassmen than usual has opted to come out, but the senior class also has extraordinary strength because some of the big schools managed to hang on to their juniors last year for one more run at the championship.

gyldenlove
01-26-2010, 10:25 AM
I remember saying this last year that we traded a 1st round pick in a strong draft class for a 2nd rounder in a weak draft class, but I hope some people have realized that even if Smith hadn't fallen flat on his face like that it was a questionable move at best.

bpc
01-26-2010, 10:53 AM
Glad to know I don't look bat**** crazy anymore proclaiming McCoy looked better to me vs. Suh. Thanks Mayock!

Ultimately I think both will be great. The advantage McCoy has over Suh is versatility and athletic ability. Suh has a harder time running sideline to sideline and doesn't project well playing in a 3-4, unless you put him over the center.

McCoy easily fits in a 3-4, or a 4-3 and has the speed and quickenss to be tackles, guards or centers.

Mediator12
01-26-2010, 01:36 PM
Glad to know I don't look bat**** crazy anymore proclaiming McCoy looked better to me vs. Suh. Thanks Mayock!

Ultimately I think both will be great. The advantage McCoy has over Suh is versatility and athletic ability. Suh has a harder time running sideline to sideline and doesn't project well playing in a 3-4, unless you put him over the center.

McCoy easily fits in a 3-4, or a 4-3 and has the speed and quickenss to be tackles, guards or centers.

Interesting. I have them as a you pick em based on scheme and need.

I actually see Suh having more versatility with his strength versus McCoy's speed. To me, McCoy would be a waste playing in a 3-4 as a DE as he would not be able to play to his strength of gap penetration. And, Suh would be better suited to play just about any DL position outside of RDE. He reminds me of Strahan with his power and speed.

Both of these guys are big Cat like Players with Suh being less dependent on his speed and more variable in his attack. However, players like McCoy come around once or twice in a generation with his quickness, explosion, and pop. Easily the best 2 DT's coming out since 2001 with Richard Seymour, Marcus Stroud, Kris Jenkins, Casey Hampton, and Gerard Warren at the top.

bpc
01-26-2010, 09:40 PM
Beauty of evaluating players. No two people will see players the same.

I have tons of respect for Suh's game, and I can see from a power standpoint where you compare him to Strahan. I'd go one step further and say he has Reggie White type strength. He doesn't have the burst off the LOS like Reggie though. He doesn't run nearly as well either and that's the drawback for me with Suh at DE in a 3-4. I think he'd dominate day 1 as a run stopper in the defense. I think he'll lose his effectiveness as a pass rusher, the farther you put him away from the QB. If it's a base three man rush, it's going to be bullrush or bust.

I've seen enough of McCoy sliding around the LOS at OU within the 4-3 and 3-4 fronts to know that his versatility is going to be his hallmark card, but he's loaded with talent as well. Unlike Suh, he has the speed to get to the outside shoulder of a OT and turn the corner. He has a lot of quickness getting off the snap, plays low and as you said, can get in and out of gaps relatively easily. I've also seen plenty of plays that show his power at the point of attack. Nobody is Suh in that category and he's so strong he's virtually unblockable moving straight ahead, but McCoy will more than hold his own on the next level because of his natural strength, great technique and pad level.

On a scale of 1-10, I'd give Suh a 10 in power and strength at his position. McCoy would get an 8 or 9. In terms of athletic ability, that's where I think the biggest difference is. For a DT, I think McCoy is on the Amobe Okoye level of explosiveness from a few years ago. Suh doesn't have that IMO.

One last thing I like better is McCoy's pad level and body lean. He always seems to be coming off the ball at a 45 degree angle off the ball and generally plays lower than the competition. His hands are extremely active as well.

Anton has posted great video of both. I don't think you can go wrong with either but I do like McCoy better as an overall prospect. GM reminds me a lot of Richard Seymore coming out of UGA. Just a very explosive, strong, tenacious guy who has versatility in where he plays across the LOS.

I'm not sure who Suh compares to yet. I don't think i've seen a guy as strong and thick as he naturally is. I wish Suh would play lower though. He seems to pop up quite frequently. He got away with that in college because he's just so much stronger than everybody. If he gives up leverage in the NFL, he's going to have his strength negated by good technique and equally strong offensive linemen.

G. McCoy video:

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N. Suh video:

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tsiguy96
01-31-2010, 05:50 PM
I remember saying this last year that we traded a 1st round pick in a strong draft class for a 2nd rounder in a weak draft class, but I hope some people have realized that even if Smith hadn't fallen flat on his face like that it was a questionable move at best.

i dont think theres a single person who doesnt want that #1 back...even if he turns out to be a solid starter, it was a bad trade i think time will show.

we werent only ones obviously, look at like derrick harvey in jax, everette brown in CAR i dont think did **** this year and he was a 2nd rounder. happens a lot, but wish we had that 1 back

SoCalBronco
01-31-2010, 07:20 PM
Pouncey is a monster.

epicSocialism4tw
01-31-2010, 09:13 PM
About the QB's...

Bradford has a higher degree of "dominance" at the position, while also being a superb athlete as a prospect. What I mean by that is that Bradford shows a level of mastery of the position that really separates him from the other fellows. His intelligence, accuracy, release, leadership, and pocket ability are outstanding. There's a real "wow" factor there. Couple that with the fact that he's 6'4", has a good sized frame, and has a solid and lively arm and you have a really interesting player.

I have never bought the Clausen hype because I think that most of it was due not to his own traits as a prospect, but because Sam Bradford had a shoulder injury. I think that a healthy Sam Bradford will be the first player chosen.

I think that it will work like this: Saint Louis would choose a healthy Bradford over the other options, but would not choose Clausen over the other options.

Rohirrim
02-06-2010, 09:49 AM
What really pisses me off about this draft is that the Patriots have three 2nd rounders. I wish we could set ourselves up like that. The Patsies seem to do it every year.

bpc
02-06-2010, 11:43 AM
I do like Pouncey as well.

It will be interesting to see what happens in April. I hope to god they took the draft manual they worked off of last season, doused it with gasoline, threw it in a dumpster and lit a match.

Talk about first year failure. Ack.

NFLBRONCO
02-06-2010, 11:48 AM
What really pisses me off about this draft is that the Patriots have three 2nd rounders. I wish we could set ourselves up like that. The Patsies seem to do it every year.

We could have easily done that with Cutler trade but, McD blew it. I think this is one area of Patriot way I wish would have rubbed off on him.

ward63
02-06-2010, 02:35 PM
The patsies has 3 second rounders last year as well if I'm not mistaken.

ayjackson
02-06-2010, 08:54 PM
The patsies has 3 second rounders last year as well if I'm not mistaken.

four last year (traded out of the first) and three this year. last year they took Chung (S), Brace (NT), Butler (CB) and Vollmer (T).

Ray Finkle
02-09-2010, 07:43 AM
Pouncey is a monster.

I hope he is there in the second.

FireFly
02-18-2010, 08:51 PM
I hope he is there in the second.

Honestly, I'd be more suprised if he was

Mediator12
02-19-2010, 06:26 AM
Man, Pouncey is big, but his technique sucks. I was real excited to see a center that big being talked about so highly, but boy was watching him disappointing, especially in the run game. He routinely let lesser players make plays against him by using poor technique and getting beaten. I have no idea how he is getting rated so highly coming out. It has to be that potential as a big Center, because he does not look anywhere near NFL ready to play IMHO.

orinjkrush
02-19-2010, 07:21 AM
there were 60 players listed in Mayock's lists. if we don't come away with 2 or maybe even 3 (assuming BM trade) from those lists (Iupati, Williams DT, and maybe Benn) I will scratch my head harder than when we passed on Ed REEEEEEEEEED and Stephen Jackson.

Drek
02-22-2010, 04:25 AM
What really pisses me off about this draft is that the Patriots have three 2nd rounders. I wish we could set ourselves up like that. The Patsies seem to do it every year.

If someone decides they're willing to give up a 1st and 3rd for Marshall (very likely if you ask me, with Cincy, Baltimore, and the Jets all picking in the 20's and needing a #1) we'll have more than enough picks.

Denver's draft strategy should depend heavily on who is available at 10/11. If Marshall is gone then Bryant could make sense, but he'd also be a good trade target. If Claussen is there he would to.

Ideal world to me (I think Marshall is gone) would have us getting two of the following: McClain, Dan Williams, Iupati. If we do get a late 1st for Marshall and Clausen/Bradford is sitting there it'd be hard to pass up though.