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Bronco Rob
01-21-2010, 04:39 AM
Woody's Mailbag: Discussing the draft


Stewart from Iowa asks Woody what the Broncos need in the upcoming draft

By Woody Paige
The Denver Post

Updated: 01/21/2010 02:52:06 AM MST

Denver Post sports columnist Woody Paige posts Woody's Mailbag on Thursdays.



Woody: What needs do you think the Broncos should address in the draft?
-- Stewart Kennedy, Des Moines, Iowa



Stewart: It's quicker to say what the Broncos shouldn't address — secondary.

But, now, let's talk about what's primary, in order: Wide receiver, nose tackle, defensive end, center, wide receiver, offensive guard, fullback, defensive end, linebacker, tight end, running back, quarterback, and linebacker. That's about it.

But they won't have 13 draft picks. But, as a solutions-oriented person, I can tell you what they should do.

We all know Brandon Marshall is gone, and the New York Giants have been sniffing around Brandon every since Plaxico Burress was busted.

How about Josh McDaniels trade Marshall and the No. 10 pick in the first round to the Giants for the No. 14 in the first round, No. 44 (second) and No. 76 in third. The Broncos would have 14, 45, 46, 76 and 80; five picks in the first three rounds, and could solve some of their problems.

Given what Josh did in his first year of drafting, I expect a lot of movement in the draft this year — especially after he told us in his recent conference that they got a late start last year on the draft and scouting, and already have a big board set up this year.

The general manager and several of the Broncos scouts are at the Senior Bowl, like everyone else, and I expect that board will be altered significantly next week.

Last year's draft wasn't so hot. We all know what Knowshon Moreno did, good and bad, but Alphonso Smith and Robert Ayers didn't provide significant health.

I thought the two safeties chosen in the middle rounds were fine. Overall, in reflection, I would give that class a C.
The Broncos need an A, A- this year.

So here's where I would go:

I would select Terrence Cody, out of Alabama, or Dan Williams, from Tennessee. Both are nose tackles, and I use the No. 14 from the Giants for one. Cody is a big-time player and a big fellow at 6-5, 365. Williams ain't bad, either, at 6-3, 327.

Ronnie Fields moves to backup. Since the Broncos didn't really address the defensive line last year, they have to this year, and both Cody and Williams (that name sounds familiar to Broncos fans) can play in the 3-4.

I like Oklahoma State's Dez Bryant, who, you recall, was suspended by the NCAA. He would be a first-round pick for the Broncos, who'll need an outstanding receiver to replace Marshall. I also love Jerry Williams, from Tulane, as a wideout and a return man. Maybe you can pick him up in the second or third round.

Stephen Williams from Toledo is my go-to guy somewhere in the late rounds. Try this. He's not a speed-burner, but he's 6-5. He could be a combo receiver-tight end to replace Tony Scheffler, and that size — whump.

The Broncos will need a center very soon, maybe now, and have to go big, given what Josh is doing to the blocking schemes. I like Maurkice Pouncey out of Florida, 6-5, 318 and think they should grab him early and often.

Or perhaps they should draft J.D. Walton (6-3, 305) out of Baylor. He will be a player. Brian Price, a defensive end out of UCLA, would fit.

Hometown kid: Tackle (switch to end) Lamarr Houston from Texas, grew up in Denver.
Another WR, Riley Cooper out of Florida, goes 6-3, 215. He can block and catch some, and could be gotten in the fifth or six rounds.

And I'll give Bryan Bulaga a shot to make the team. He's an offensive tackle, as you know, from Iowa.

The Broncos won't be trading up to get a quarterback, and they certainly won't go for another running back in the first round.

They can grab one of those "other" quarterbacks in the mid rounds, but you know that Josh thinks he can find a quarterback without drafting high. Think Tom Brady, Matt Cassel and even the guy they got here. None of the three went in the first round.

Those are just some early, random thoughts. I expect a great deal of disagreement, and that's what draft-discussing is all about. I'm sure we'll be talking a bit more about the draft soon.




Hi, Woody. I don't always agree with everything you write, but I agree with you 100 percent that not having the old Mile High atmosphere is depleting the Broncos' home-field advantage. What can the true fans, who will actually make some noise, do to take back Mile High? How can we petition Pat Bowlen? Thanks, Woody.-- Adrian, San Diego




Adrian: I don't always agree with me.

This is a very good question coming from San Diego. The Chargers always had terrible crowds, but I thought that was the best I've seen and heard in the game against the Jets. It didn't help enough, though.

Since I have been writing about the lack of a home-field advantage (the Broncos went 4-4 this season) lately, I've gotten a ton of responses.

I've had a problem after the move with the lack of the South Stands as it was, and I heard from a lot of the old South Standers who agreed that they had been moved out because of the prices and because the Broncos didn't really want them close to the field any more.

Do I have answers for you? Bowlen asked me two or three years ago what I thought they should do and he didn't pay much attention to me (except for the drum team on the sideline during the game).

I still would move the South Standers back down, and even put some rows in front of the stadium wall for some real crazies. Create a Dawg Pound or Black Hole situation (although those teams in Cleveland and Oakland stink).

I'd have the Broncos bring in a new Barrel Man (in tribute to the original), and I'd at least give the cheerleaders some training in leading cheers.

I'd get the players more involved with the fans. It's not like the old days when all the players felt like they were members of the community. They just seem like hired mercenaries now.

When was the last time you saw a player waving to the fans to get involved?

When was the last time Josh McDaniels acknowledged the crowd or even talked about needing them, in the week before a game. (The answer is never. Josh has to become one of the people, and show them that he cares for their support).

Somehow I'd make it that season-ticket holders had to sell their tickets to people in Denver, not Steelers fans.

I'd do something about the mid-level seats, even if it meant closing the clubs behind them except at the half and before and after the games.

I'd hand out stripped socks to everybody who comes in the stadium. I suggested that to the Broncos after the throw-back uniforms, and they thought about it, but didn't decide to do it.

I think the waving of the old vertically-stripped socks could be as effective as the Terrible Towels and better than common Pom-Pons.

But I can't do all the thinkin' around here. What are the suggestions from all of you?

Tell you what. I'll pass them along to Joe Ellis and Pat Bowlen, and for the best suggestion that is accepted, I'll get you two tickets to a game next year. That should motivate even you. Yo, Adrian.





http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_14236219

OBF1
01-21-2010, 04:57 AM
Woody is worse than an idiot....

What we would get if he is making trades is the following:

We give the Giants Brandon Marshall and our 1st round pick #10 and we get their 1st #14, their 2nd and 3rd rounders. So in essence we are not only giving up 4 spots in the 1st round but only then getting a 2nd and 3rd for Marshall.

PASS on this one. What are lopp Woody

Ramathorn
01-21-2010, 05:13 AM
woody+draft advice = suicide

Merlin
01-21-2010, 07:23 AM
Woody is worse than an idiot....We give the Giants Brandon Marshall and our 1st round pick #10 and we get their 1st #14, their 2nd and 3rd rounders. So in essence we are not only giving up 4 spots in the 1st round but only then getting a 2nd and 3rd for Marshall.
That was my same reaction. I had to re-read his trade because I could not believe he could be that stupid...but apparently he can.

Mr.Meanie
01-21-2010, 07:46 AM
Trading BMarsh for a 2nd and 3rd while giving up 4 spots in the 1st would be an absolute total disaster... trumped only by selecting Terrence Cody with said 1st pick. Ugh.

vancejohnson82
01-21-2010, 11:12 AM
haha...and why would the Giants want to do this?

they got rid of a headache in Burress and had Manningham, Steve Smith and Hixon evolve...and they just drafted another WR last year....they have young studs

what a joke

Doggcow
01-21-2010, 11:20 AM
Woody is worse than an idiot....

What we would get if he is making trades is the following:

We give the Giants Brandon Marshall and our 1st round pick #10 and we get their 1st #14, their 2nd and 3rd rounders. So in essence we are not only giving up 4 spots in the 1st round but only then getting a 2nd and 3rd for Marshall.

PASS on this one. What are lopp Woody

Lol yeah, that was ****ing stupid.

LETS TRADE OUR NUMBER 10 PICK FOR THEIR SECOND PICK, THIS IS MY GREAT IDEA, NURRR

Beantown Bronco
01-21-2010, 11:25 AM
haha...and why would the Giants want to do this?


Because they'd be getting Brandon Marshall for the equivalent of a 2nd round pick.

tsiguy96
01-21-2010, 11:27 AM
how about we just take their #14 and call it a day.

vancejohnson82
01-21-2010, 11:29 AM
Because they'd be getting Brandon Marshall for the equivalent of a 2nd round pick.

but do you think they want to deal with another Plaxico when they've got one of the youngest and brightest WR corps out there?

i dont know if they would be at the top of the list of teams looking for his services

Taco John
01-21-2010, 11:29 AM
If we didn't need a quarterback, I would like the idea of moving down and expanding our number of picks. But we need a quarterback. Unless Brandstater is the next Tom Brady.

I guess that's one thing we'll learn this offseason - what McDaniels thinks of Brandstater.

bowtown
01-21-2010, 11:30 AM
The Giants would never trade for Marshall with Smith, Manningham, and Nicks, not even for a 2nd.

Doggcow
01-21-2010, 11:31 AM
but do you think they want to deal with another Plaxico when they've got one of the youngest and brightest WR corps out there?

i dont know if they would be at the top of the list of teams looking for his services

Adding Marshall would help their offense, and Eli a lot. He really missed the leg shooter

bowtown
01-21-2010, 11:32 AM
Adding Marshall would help their offense, and Eli a lot. He really missed the leg shooter

He missed him last season. I don't know if you watched any Giants football this year but the WR corp and Eli finding a target was the only problem that team didn't have. Giants currently need a secondary, a runnging game, a LB corps and some leadership. They DON'T need another bad attitude WR.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-21-2010, 11:41 AM
If all we can trade Brandon for is a second round pick, dont trade him.

broncosteven
01-21-2010, 11:49 AM
Woody lost me the year he said 16-0, up until then I figured he was run of the mill writer with great Elvis stories.

Now he is just a hack with great Elvis stories.

bloodsunday
01-21-2010, 11:50 AM
Woody is worse than an idiot....

What we would get if he is making trades is the following:

We give the Giants Brandon Marshall and our 1st round pick #10 and we get their 1st #14, their 2nd and 3rd rounders. So in essence we are not only giving up 4 spots in the 1st round but only then getting a 2nd and 3rd for Marshall.

PASS on this one. What are lopp Woody

I have grown a little tired of Woody's act. That said, I think a trade like this makes sense. First of all, moving back 4 spots is not a HUGE issue. The caliber of player is not all that different and you can save some money. Last year the difference was $21M overall and $6M guaranteed. That's good coin. Secondly, don't over inflate the value of Brandon Marshall. He has produced. But he's still a maturity and character risk. And, whoever takes him off our hands will have to give him a HUGE contract. So, getting 2 additional first day picks on a team with so many needs would be a very good trade IMO.

I actually don't view the Giants as a great landing spot for him. They seemed to get good production out of their young WR last year.

SoDak Bronco
01-21-2010, 12:36 PM
if you are Baltimore, don't you have to look at getting Brandon Marshall for your 1st rounder? The guy would be perfect for that offense. They have Ray Rice, a great leader in Ray lewis who could pull bmarsh under his wing, and Flacco throws a great deep ball, fade, out, you name it.

Requiem
01-21-2010, 12:38 PM
One of the dumbest trade proposals I have ever seen in my life. When can I start writing for the Post? Maybe after I graduate in May. ****.

oubronco
01-21-2010, 12:44 PM
One of the dumbest trade proposals I have ever seen in my life. When can I start writing for the Post? Maybe after I graduate in May. ****.

kinda like the one in the draft for a 5'9" nickle corner, McD would pull the trigger

OCBronco
01-21-2010, 12:45 PM
If we didn't need a quarterback, I would like the idea of moving down and expanding our number of picks. But we need a quarterback. Unless Brandstater is the next Tom Brady.

I guess that's one thing we'll learn this offseason - what McDaniels thinks of Brandstater.

I agree that the Broncos need a QB, but none of the guys who are projected as first rounders this year are world beaters -- they all have red flags. So one strategy would be to wait and see if one of those guys drops to the second round, in which case trading back makes a lot of sense.

OCBronco
01-21-2010, 12:47 PM
Everyone is jumping on the trade proposal part of the article, which is fine. I think it makes sense to trade back and pick up more players, just not the particular way that Woody is suggesting.

That said, I think the players that Woody is focusing on are all very good. This is crazy, because I normally disagree with everything Woody says.

watermock
01-21-2010, 12:54 PM
If all we can trade Brandon for is a second round pick, dont trade him.

He's still going to want 2 time probowl money.

vancejohnson82
01-21-2010, 01:18 PM
Everyone is jumping on the trade proposal part of the article, which is fine. I think it makes sense to trade back and pick up more players, just not the particular way that Woody is suggesting.

That said, I think the players that Woody is focusing on are all very good. This is crazy, because I normally disagree with everything Woody says.

Its ridiculous because Cody will be there in the second round...why pick him at #14??? I would bash McDaniels if that happened....

Requiem
01-21-2010, 01:27 PM
kinda like the one in the draft for a 5'9" nickle corner, McD would pull the trigger

I'm not a fan of trading many picks or future ones at all, but I thought Smith was an exceptional college player. When I saw that we had moved up, I had figured we used the additional picks we had and not a future one. Time will tell if Smith was worth it, but given the high standards of players with pick compensation, it is unlikely he'll ever life up to any unless he is a Pro-Bowler. I do have faith in his abilities.

Beantown Bronco
01-21-2010, 01:31 PM
The Giants would never trade for Marshall with Smith, Manningham, and Nicks, not even for a 2nd.

Kind of like when they picked Kiwanuka in the first round when they already had Umenyiora and Strahan lighting it up?

bowtown
01-21-2010, 02:01 PM
Kind of like when they picked Kiwanuka in the first round when they already had Umenyiora and Strahan lighting it up?

Actually more like when when they picked Kiwanuka in the first round when Strahan held out of all off season and preseason activities and was threatening retirement, and Unmiyora was coming off a season where he missed 5 games and only had 6 sacks.

UberBroncoMan
01-21-2010, 02:05 PM
Woody was a ****ing retard in his draft advice here.

Beantown Bronco
01-21-2010, 02:06 PM
Actually more like when when they picked Kiwanuka in the first round when Strahan held out of all off season and preseason activities and was threatening retirement

90% of this was post draft.

HILife
01-21-2010, 02:09 PM
How about Josh McDaniels trade Marshall and the No. 10 pick in the first round to the Giants for the No. 14 in the first round, No. 44 (second) and No. 76 in third. The Broncos would have 14, 45, 46, 76 and 80; five picks in the first three rounds, and could solve some of their problems

Move back 4 spots and give up Marshall to get.....a second and a third........

That's a ****ing terrible trade! Giants don't even have the 14th pick. The SeeHookers do.

I stop reading after I read that.

bowtown
01-21-2010, 02:16 PM
90% of this was post draft.

Yeah, i got the year wrong on Osi's injury. However the Strahan stuff was not post draft, and they knew that even if he came back it wouldn't be for long. Kiwi was drafted as his replacement. Since their philosophy was always DLine, i don't think it's crazy that they would have been looking only a year into the future. They currently have 3 young WRs on their team who all either blossomed this year or began to. Add to that that Coughlin prefers a run-first system and they have way too many holes to patch in that regard.

I also just don't see any way that old-man Coughlin trades for Marshall, knowing his history. He doesn't really take kindly to locker room drama.

Bronco Rob
01-22-2010, 04:23 AM
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