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Ramathorn
01-20-2010, 11:31 AM
Things will certainly change as the workout season commences, but it's time to get the ball rolling for the 2010 NFL draft. Remember that my Big Board and position group rankings (now adjusted so all declared players are grouped) are a good primer. That said, off we go.



Two things that stand out early in the first mock draft of the season are the degree to which the first round is dominated by underclassmen --they make up 21 of the 32 picks and how we're also seeinga truly deep class of defensive lineman. Even as many NFL teams now employ the 3-4, the options up front for either 4-3 or 3-4 defenses are pretty significant in this draft.

St. Louis Rams
Record: 1-15
Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska


Nobody questions that the top need for the Rams is a quarterback. But unless St. Louis trades down -- an extremely difficult proposition on multiple levels -- they shouldn't take a quarterback here. Suh is maybe the most dominating player at his position that I've seen in 32 years of doing this. He can be effective immediately for the Rams.

Detroit Lions
Record: 2-14

Gerald McCoy*, DT, Oklahoma


Getting McCoy both fits a big need for the Lions and is an extraordinarily good consolation prize for ny team unable to get Suh. McCoy makes his living in the opponents' backfield, and is such a talent he could have landed in this position last year had he declared as a redshirt sophomore.


Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Record: 3-13

Eric Berry*, S, Tennessee


This is a very high position to see a safety go off the board, but Berry is that kind of talent. A player compared often, but not unfairly to Ed Reed, Berry is a difference-making safety headed to a league that has seen those types (Reed, Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders) become more and more notable in recent years.

Washington Redskins

Record: 4-12

Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma


Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here that may have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection, when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.


Kansas City Chiefs

Record: 4-12
Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State


I think the Chiefs could use help at safety as well, but Berry likely won't fall this far, and they'd be reaching on either of two other safeties with a first round grade. Okung could solve two problems, making him a good value. He can step in at LT and allow the Chiefs to move Brandon Albert to the right side. A pick that can pay immediate dividends for the Chiefs.



Seattle SeahawksRecord: 5-11
Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia TechMany in Seattle will view the offensive line as a greater need, but Morgan fills another huge hole for a team that simply couldn't get to the quarterback in 2009. He represents great value because he can rush the passer, is productive against the run and can even drop back -- a versatile talent. Pete Carroll knows defense and should love what Morgan can offer.

Cleveland BrownsRecord: 5-11
Joe Haden*, CB, FloridaI'm not convinced the Browns will be willing to draft a quarterback simply because the position is unsettled. In Haden they can't go wrong with by far the top CB on the board, a player who they can plug in from day one. A deft cover corner and great tackler, Haden is the complete package.

Oakland RaidersRecord: 5-11
Anthony Davis*, OT, RutgersDavis may not yet be the most complete tackle in the first round, but he is the most naturally gifted and should get better. Great feet, ideal size and he has the ability to maul defenders in the run game. After a whiff in the first round last year, the Raiders address a big need here.

Buffalo BillsRecord: 6-10
Jimmy Clausen*, QB, Notre DamePeople will debate the merits of Clausen long after he shakes the commissioner's hand, but he has continued to improve, showed toughness, has an NFL arm and perhaps most importantly, has experience under center in a pro-style offense. That was a key for Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez and is a huge consideration for scouts.

Denver Broncos (from Chicago)Record: 7-9
Dez Bryant*, WR, Oklahoma StateIn all likelihood, Brandon Marshall is headed elsewhere, so the Broncos here attempt to fill the void with the best deep threat in the draft. Bryant has great size and was unstoppable in the Big 12. He represents an immediate weapon in the passing game

TerrElway
01-20-2010, 11:33 AM
They won't take Dez Bryant, he's wasted in our quick-strike, bubble screen and 2 yard crossing pattern juggernaut of an offense.

Ramathorn
01-20-2010, 11:34 AM
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Record: 7-9

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Jason Pierre-Paul (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25733)*, DE, South Florida

This is no place to draft a guy like Tim Tebow just to sell tickets. Pierre-Paul is local enough, and could be the Mario Williams of this draft class, a raw talent, but one with remarkable athleticism and an incredible burst off the line. Could be a terror for QBs in the future.

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Record:7-9

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Rolando McClain (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25721)*, LB, Alabama

A potential home run for Miami, who needs an inside linebacker, and could get the best one in the whole draft after the top ten. The Dolphins you could also see go after Bryant if he were to fall to them here.


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Record: 8-8

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Trent Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25689), OT, Oklahoma

I consider the right tackle position a big need for the 49ers, and getting Williams here should strengthen them immediately both in the run game and as they look to further develop a potentially dangerous passing game with Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis.


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Record: 5-11

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C.J. Spiller (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25503), RB, Clemson

He's not an offensive lineman, but Spiller could be a Reggie Bush-like option for the Seahawks. For a coach uniquely familiar with what Bush can do, Spiller is a missing home run threat in the run game, a good receiver and a valuable returner. He has elite speed.


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Ramathorn
01-20-2010, 11:35 AM
New York Giants

Record: 8-8
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Carlos Dunlap (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25723)*, DE, Florida
This is a high value pick for the Giants, who I feel have had their depth on the defense line overstated. There are makeup questions surrounding Dunlap, but for much of the year he was considered the premier pass rusher in the college game. He has the potential to be like a Jevon Kearse.

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Record: 8-8

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Earl Thomas (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25729)*, S, Texas

The 49ers need help in pass coverage, and Thomas fits because he's a great value here, whereas reaching for a CB at No. 16 wouldn't represent good value at all. Thomas isn't a huge guy, but can cover a tremendous amount of real estate.


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Record: 8-8

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Everson Griffen (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25732)*, DE, USC

Pierre-Paul likely won't fall this far, so the Titans get a gifted underclassmen that looked like a pro coming out of high school who is now living up to his potential. He already has an NFL frame, and when Griffen is consistent, he's a strong pass rusher.


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Record: 9-7

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Bryan Bulaga (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25726)*, OT, Iowa

Pittsburgh clearly needs help up front if they want to return to power running and protecting the quarterback, and Bulaga is an emerging tackle with great feet from a pro-style system. They improve immediately, and he wears the black and gold well already.


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Record: 9-7

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Sergio Kindle (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25595), OLB, Texas

The Falcons could use some help at OLB, and Kindle's continued improvement throughout the season is appealing. He's not quite in the class of Brian Orakpo, but he's a similar type of player, and has also proven to be very physical.


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Record: 9-7


Brian Price (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=235909)*, DT, UCLA

Price is hidden away a bit in such a deep class of defensive lineman, but he's a disruptive force who utilizes great leverage. He should add depth to an improving defense

Ramathorn
01-20-2010, 11:36 AM
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Record: 10-6

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Aaron Hernandez (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25742)*, TE, Florida

They need to give Carson Palmer options in the passing game aside from what's there, and Hernandez is the most athletic TE available, a guy with surprising run-after-catch ability. The favorite target of Tebow at Florida, he could offer immediate help in the passing game.

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Record: 10-6

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Ricky Sapp (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25508), OLB, Clemson

The Patriots clearly need help when it comes to getting to opposing quarterbacks, and Sapp is an ideal fit on the edge in the 3-4. He's the kind of athlete that can adjust to being upright and flat out knows how to get to the quarterback.


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Record: 11-5

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Taylor Mays (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25497), S, USC

If you told Green Bay they could get Mays at No. 23 overall in August, they'd have been thrilled. An extraordinary athlete, Mays may have suffered against expectations, but the Pack hit a home run with Clay Matthews Jr. out of USC last year and Mays both fills a need and has great potential.


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Record: 11-5

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Navorro Bowman (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25722)*, OLB, Penn State

The Eagles have a need for an athletic OLB, and they get a lot of value by landing Bowman here. Bowman lacks size, but any parsing on measurables can't overcome his great play on film. Could end up as the best at his position in this class.


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Record: 9-7

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Jermaine Gresham (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25502)*, TE, Oklahoma

Gresham is so good that while he sat out his junior year, I left him on the Big Board the whole time. Now healthy, he's a great find this late in the first and a perfect target for Joe Flacco as an heir to Todd Heap. At a hair over 6-6 and 262 pounds, he's the total package at TE

Ramathorn
01-20-2010, 11:36 AM
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Record: 10-6

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Dan Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25439), DT, Tennessee

I see this position as the second-biggest need for the Cardinals and Williams is a great value here. Tremendously strong in the lower body, Williams is a disruptive force against the run.

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Record: 11-5

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Bruce Campbell (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25750)*, OT, Maryland

Jerry Jones knows he needs to address the tackle position after the debacle he witnessed against Minnesota in the playoffs and Campbell, while still learning, is a tremendous talent at this position.


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Record: 13-3

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Jonathan Dwyer (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2010&id=25712)*, RB, Georgia Tech

With the possible departure of LaDainian Tomlinson on the horizon, Dwyer represents the player that can handle 20-plus carries in an offense that already has a great speed-back in Darren Sproles. Dwyer has ideal size and also shows explosiveness.


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Record: 9-7

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Golden Tate (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25744)*, WR, Notre Dame

The Jets must give Mark Sanchez some weapons in the passing game, and while Tate has question marks on his ability to separate, he's more physical than many think and has always been a playmaker. In the mold of a Laveranues Coles.


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Record: 12-4

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Patrick Robinson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25589), CB, Florida State

Need meets value here. Robinson is the second-best corner in the draft and Minnesota should be happy to grab him this late. Robinson has the chance to step in and contribute.

Bronco Boy
01-20-2010, 11:36 AM
Did this really warrant three exclamation points?

Ramathorn
01-20-2010, 11:37 AM
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Record: 13-3

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Jared Odrick (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25443), DT, Penn State

Odrick is an ideal pick here for the Saints, who are looking to add stability to the rush defense. His presence helped standout LBs Bowman and Sean Lee run free, and the Saints will ask for the same.

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Record: 14-2

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Brandon Graham (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=25592), DE, Michigan

Graham was a one-man show for the Wolverines, leading the nation in tackles for loss. Always in the backfield, he's a guy that can learn under master pass-rushers in Indy and build on the tradition.

Dagmar
01-20-2010, 11:38 AM
1st one I have seen that DOESN'T have us taking McClain.

Popps
01-20-2010, 11:39 AM
Bryant would be appealing. I wouldn't mind us taking him, and then trading up to grab what's his face (G) later in the round.

Ramathorn
01-20-2010, 11:41 AM
Did this really warrant three exclamation points?

yes:~ohyah!:

UberBroncoMan
01-20-2010, 11:42 AM
I'd trade Alphonso Smith back for C.J. Spiller and knowing we took Brian Cushing over Moreno in a heartbeat.

Woulda coulda.

RaiderH8r
01-20-2010, 11:42 AM
they won't take dez bryant, he's wasted in our quick-strike, bubble screen and 2 yard crossing pattern juggernaut of an offense.

I almost fell out of my chair laughing so hard. Great take.

Rabb
01-20-2010, 11:43 AM
don't be shocked when it happens, how awesome will it be to have a speed guy we can't use

RaiderH8r
01-20-2010, 11:44 AM
don't be shocked when it happens, how awesome will it be to have a speed guy we can't use

He can hurry 20 yards down field to wait for Orton's floater. Awesome. Simply awesome.

Rohirrim
01-20-2010, 11:44 AM
Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection, when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.

Hit what, a pothole?

Liquid Courage
01-20-2010, 11:44 AM
They won't take Dez Bryant, he's wasted in our quick-strike, bubble screen and 2 yard crossing pattern juggernaut of an offense.

are you referring to the same bubble screen offense that never threw the ball downfield in NE? perhaps we simply didn't have the deep threat to challenge defenses like NE had in Randy Moss (before he mailed it in) and tried to play to our strengths . . . if Bryant adds the explosive dimension to our offense then great! But I think we have more pressing needs on defense and I'm about as sold on WR 1st round talent as I am on RB 1st round talent.

All in all, I'd rather see fresh legs at LB or a real 3-4 DE emerge.

Requiem
01-20-2010, 11:44 AM
Bryant would be appealing. I wouldn't mind us taking him, and then trading up to grab what's his face (G) later in the round.

Iupati? Absolutely. Thing is, this draft is loaded with premier talent all over the place, so I could almost care less what they address at this point in time as long as the value is respectable. The fact that some of those players are falling that far in the draft or are projected where they are at is awesome. If there is ever a year to have a lot of picks, this is it. Hopefully we'll get some more.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-20-2010, 11:45 AM
Ed reed

Rabb
01-20-2010, 11:45 AM
He can hurry 20 yards down field to wait for Orton's floater. Awesome. Simply awesome.

this place will be unbearable during the draft and after

Ramathorn
01-20-2010, 11:45 AM
don't be shocked when it happens, how awesome will it be to have a speed guy we can't use

roflmao

UberBroncoMan
01-20-2010, 11:47 AM
Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection, when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.

Hit what, a pothole?

Two 1st round picks, a 3rd and Kyle Orton.

WolfpackGuy
01-20-2010, 11:47 AM
Are there any slow, short, midget CB's they can trade the 10 pick for?

SonOfLe-loLang
01-20-2010, 11:49 AM
Just doesnt make sense to me to trade your top 5 receiver just to draft another one. Build your ****ing lines or front 7

WolfpackGuy
01-20-2010, 11:50 AM
Iupati? Absolutely. Thing is, this draft is loaded with premier talent all over the place, so I could almost care less what they address at this point in time as long as the value is respectable. If there is ever a year to have a lot of picks, this is it.

Well, I know I'm stoked the Broncos are one pick shorter than they had to be.

I wouldn't hold my breath on the team getting value either.

vancejohnson82
01-20-2010, 11:50 AM
no thanks

Rolando McClain...its a no brainer

NFLBRONCO
01-20-2010, 11:55 AM
Is Dez faster then BM? I'd rather take Spiller then a WR at 10 even after drafting Moreno. If WR is #1 target I'd rather trade down first.

If we upgrade lines via FA pretty good I'd be more ok with it.

gunns
01-20-2010, 11:56 AM
Kiper has had us taking a WR every year since I can remember. If we take a WR in the first round I will go absolutely ****ing ballistic, I will know McD is a moron of the Tsi degree and should be banned from football operations for the rest of his natural life.

Rabb
01-20-2010, 11:58 AM
Is Dez faster then BM?

yes, but I think BM fits our scheme FAR better because he is a beast with YAC on these little screens we love so much

Rabb
01-20-2010, 12:00 PM
Kiper has had us taking a WR every year since I can remember. If we take a WR in the first round I will go absolutely ****ing ballistic, I will know McD is a moron of the Tsi degree and should be banned from football operations for the rest of his natural life.

:rofl:

Requiem
01-20-2010, 12:05 PM
Kiper has had us taking a WR every year since I can remember. If we take a WR in the first round I will go absolutely ****ing ballistic, I will know McD is a moron of the Tsi degree and should be banned from football operations for the rest of his natural life.

Not necessarily true at all, though Kiper has realized the need for the Broncos having a #1 receiver for some time. Rod's retirement, the busting of other selections, etc. all culminated and showed that we were in need of help at the position. Partly why we invested in the players we have now.

If Marshall is gone, the Broncos don't have much depth at the position and no realistic player of a caliber to keep defenses honest. Currently, we need a deep threat (McKinley could be it, but he didn't catch any balls this year) and will need a quality receiver to replace him. Bryant is one of the better wide receiver prospects to come out in college football over the past decade. He isn't Calvin Johnson, but he is up there. You really need to get the sour taste out of your mouth regarding drafting Ashley Lelie over Ed Reed.

Dez Bryant isn't my #1 choice for our first selection, but he would be a quality player with an elite skill set that could easily replace Marshall upon his departure. People need to stop judging in such matter. If you have a zero-sum tolerance for the NFL Draft, you're bound to be upset. Any team should be excited if they have a chance to land a guy like Bryant, and we definitely have a shot.

We also have a shot at drafting a lot of other quality players. With that said, I just hope we get decent value. If Marshall is moved and we haven't explored any other quality FA options, getting someone like Bryant is a step forward for an offense who was already porous with an All-Star WR.

TheChamp24
01-20-2010, 12:10 PM
Honestly, I wouldn't be quite upset with us taking Bryant, but I think I would prefer a LB/DL prospect more.

_Oro_
01-20-2010, 12:10 PM
I doubt we take him based on character concerns.

UberBroncoMan
01-20-2010, 12:10 PM
How about we KEEP Marshall and draft a defensive player rather than filling another ****ing void.

Keep Marshall and draft McClain.

Also Dez... look at his ****ing agent. Mr activist mo-money, hold out into the season for Crabtree himself.

A man that associates with a tick like that agent and a diva like Deion Sanders isn't someone I want around here.

RaiderH8r
01-20-2010, 12:13 PM
It's like the guy who kills his parents then cries that he's an orphan.

How about we not send another top tier talent packing so we can create another gaping f'ing hole that we have to fill through the draft. Do we not have enough spots on the roster that already need an upgrade without creating one more?

Rohirrim
01-20-2010, 12:13 PM
Kiper has had us taking a WR every year since I can remember. If we take a WR in the first round I will go absolutely ****ing ballistic, I will know McD is a moron of the Tsi degree and should be banned from football operations for the rest of his natural life.

I agree. Build the ****ing lines. Build the ****ing lines.

ColoradoDarin
01-20-2010, 12:14 PM
If Rolando McClain is still sitting there at 10/11, YOU TAKE HIM. A run stopping LB who takes good angles and is a team leader? Who needs that with our awesome defense...

Requiem
01-20-2010, 12:14 PM
I doubt we take him based on character concerns.

Outside being suspended for his involvement with Sanders, Bryant doesn't have any huge character concerns. He'll be questioned about this ad nauseum through the whole draft process. I certainly hope his uncertainty regarding that situation won't be held against him negatively through the motions he'll go through. He is a phenomenal prospect.

cabronco
01-20-2010, 12:15 PM
How the heck did Kiper get a peek at McD's top 50 players to pick list for 2010 ?

Garcia Bronco
01-20-2010, 12:17 PM
Please stop repeating what Kiper has to say as if to give him cred on any football subject.

bendog
01-20-2010, 12:17 PM
I could live with the Saints losing a superbowl to one of Archie's sons.

Pony Boy
01-20-2010, 12:23 PM
I doubt we take him based on character concerns.

What character concerns would keep him from being a high draft pick??

Elway777
01-20-2010, 12:25 PM
I would be happy with a 1a Dez Bryant best receiver in draft 1b Dan Williams , best Nose tackle 2a Maurkice Pouncey , best center in draft.

I would also be Happy with 1a McClain 1B Goldern Tate 2 Maurrkice Pouncey

I think we can get at least first rounder from Baltimore for Marshall.

Broncoman13
01-20-2010, 12:25 PM
don't be shocked when it happens, how awesome will it be to have a speed guy we can't use

Where does everyone get that Dez Bryant is a speed guy? He'll be lucky to break a 4.5! Think of a bit faster Anquan Boldin. I wouldn't mind having him. There is also talk of Boldin being available for a 2nd or 3rd (and a 5th). If that's the case, you send a pick AZs way, trade BMarsh, give Boldin the money and you don't lose any picks on a WR... and then we can address the DL!

Broncoman13
01-20-2010, 12:27 PM
Is Dez faster then BM? I'd rather take Spiller then a WR at 10 even after drafting Moreno. If WR is #1 target I'd rather trade down first.

If we upgrade lines via FA pretty good I'd be more ok with it.

Dez and BMarsh are very similar speed wise. Bryant and Bmarsh are similar in a lot of ways though Bryant seems to be a more natural catcher. Bryant will be good, but I'd rather have Boldin if he is in fact available via trade.

Archer81
01-20-2010, 12:30 PM
If we go WR, I prefer Golden Tate.


:Broncos:

Pony Boy
01-20-2010, 12:39 PM
Get a 1 & 3 for BMarsh and take Dez Bryant , what's not to like about that....

Colt McCoy or Brandon Spikes in the second

BroncoMan4ever
01-20-2010, 12:52 PM
Bryant would be appealing. I wouldn't mind us taking him, and then trading up to grab what's his face (G) later in the round.

considering Marshall is good as gone, we are going to get another 1st rounder probably. so Bryant and Iupati would be awesome. if we got those 2 the rest of the draft would simply be bonus

Killericon
01-20-2010, 12:53 PM
Call me when Mike Mayock does a mock draft.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-20-2010, 12:55 PM
Just dumb at this point.

Denver controls Marshall's rights, he's not a UFA. If you're saying Marshall's gone, project a trade. If you're not going to project a trade (which Kiper doesn't do), then you don't project Marshall leaving until it happens.

As of now Marshall's a Bronco, and even if he left, I don't think they take Bryant with their 1st pick anyways.

broncocalijohn
01-20-2010, 12:55 PM
We need DL and OL after the first pick. I like Dez but I think our concern to win games is not at WR first round. Take McClain over Bryant. I just wish BM wasnt such an ass.

broncocalijohn
01-20-2010, 12:56 PM
Call me when Mike Mayock does a mock draft.

better be more pages than this one.

OBF1
01-20-2010, 12:58 PM
don't be shocked when it happens, how awesome will it be to have a speed guy we can't use

Does Ashley Lelie ring a bell here?

OBF1
01-20-2010, 01:04 PM
Get a 1 & 3 for BMarsh and take Dez Bryant , what's not to like about that....

Colt McCoy or Brandon Spikes in the second

I am a huge Gator fan, SAY NO TO SPIKES, that would be a wated pick.... Overated is to soft a term when talking about Spikes.

Paladin
01-20-2010, 01:07 PM
If we go WR, I prefer Golden Tate.


:Broncos:

Question: Isn't Tate aboaut the same size as Royal?

kamakazi_kal
01-20-2010, 01:12 PM
deep threat + Orton = epic fail.

PRBronco
01-20-2010, 01:12 PM
I am a huge Gator fan, SAY NO TO SPIKES, that would be a wated pick.... Overated is to soft a term when talking about Spikes.

What's your take on Joe Haden? I read the other day that he's a horrible tackler, but Kiper says here he's a great tackler.

ZONA
01-20-2010, 01:17 PM
If we draft a WR and Orton is still on this team, the receiver needs to be a specialist at catching underthrown balls.

Hilarious!

gyldenlove
01-20-2010, 01:17 PM
What's your take on Joe Haden? I read the other day that he's a horrible tackler, but Kiper says here he's a great tackler.

Whenever I have seen him he hasn't been a good tackler and the games I have seen he has had a tendency to line up too deep so he gets beat with body fakes. I saw Lafell have a field day abusing him, I am not sure why the coaches didn't make him play on coverage so he could jam and prevent those body fake routes.

If Perrish Cox was more mature I would definitely prefer him.

gyldenlove
01-20-2010, 01:17 PM
If we draft a WR and Orton is still on this team, the receiver needs to be a specialist at catching underthrown balls.

Hilarious!

They just need 8 foot arms so they can reach and pick up the ball while still being over the line of scrimmage.

Hamrob
01-20-2010, 01:21 PM
He can hurry 20 yards down field to wait for Orton's floater. Awesome. Simply awesome.You mean he can catch passes from Donavan McNabb...:approve:

SoDak Bronco
01-20-2010, 01:22 PM
I am still for taking the BPA. hopefully we can get Bradford to drop into our hands at 10. we shall see.

Hamrob
01-20-2010, 01:24 PM
are you referring to the same bubble screen offense that never threw the ball downfield in NE? perhaps we simply didn't have the deep threat to challenge defenses like NE had in Randy Moss (before he mailed it in) and tried to play to our strengths . . . Yeah, that's it!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

Hamrob
01-20-2010, 01:25 PM
I think it's McClain or Bryant or you trade down!

Rock Chalk
01-20-2010, 01:26 PM
Id rather have Briscoe than Bryant. Bryant is better but he is going to cost a boatload of money and in round 1 Id rather go front 7 (specifically front 3 if there is value)

Requiem
01-20-2010, 01:27 PM
A Jayhawk fan would rather have Briscoe, huh? :D

Steve Prefontaine
01-20-2010, 01:36 PM
Any chance we can trade Alphonso Smith back to Seattle for their first?


****. I just depressed myself trying to make a joke.

Rock Chalk
01-20-2010, 01:38 PM
A Jayhawk fan would rather have Briscoe, huh? :D

You wont see me clamor for many Jayhawks Req. But I've watched enough of Briscoe to know that kid is going to be good in the NFL. He is no Bryant but will come far cheaper with less baggage and we dont have to use a first on him. By the time our second and/or third comes around Briscoe will be the best WR on the boards.

_Oro_
01-20-2010, 01:50 PM
For me the major character concern is that he hangs out with Deion Sanders.

Rabb
01-20-2010, 01:59 PM
You mean he can catch passes from Donavan McNabb...:approve:

all jokes aside, I would be 100% on board with this

epicSocialism4tw
01-20-2010, 01:59 PM
How the heck did Kiper get a peek at McD's top 50 players to pick list for 2010 ?

I thought that McD only had 30 names?

epicSocialism4tw
01-20-2010, 02:00 PM
all jokes aside, I would be 100% on board with this

Me too. McNabb would be great here.

epicSocialism4tw
01-20-2010, 02:03 PM
I am still for taking the BPA. hopefully we can get Bradford to drop into our hands at 10. we shall see.

One can dream, but unfortunately I think that Bradford will be the first QB gone. If he looks healthy at the combine, he could be the first player taken.

gyldenlove
01-20-2010, 02:15 PM
One can dream, but unfortunately I think that Bradford will be the first QB gone. If he looks healthy at the combine, he could be the first player taken.

I think Clausen will be the first QB drafted, but unless something weird happens between now and the draft Bradford will go the Redskins or Bills.

bombay
01-20-2010, 02:19 PM
Please trade down in the first round, pick up Mt. Cody and a stud left guard. Later, the Central Mich QB who's name I can't spell. Le... Le.. whatever.

WolfpackGuy
01-20-2010, 02:20 PM
I thought that McD only had 30 names?

I think it was 30.

Either number is WAY too few when 250+ players are being picked.

epicSocialism4tw
01-20-2010, 02:21 PM
I think Clausen will be the first QB drafted, but unless something weird happens between now and the draft Bradford will go the Redskins or Bills.

Clausen doesnt stack up to Bradford. If Bradford looks healthy and right, he'll be the first QB taken. There's simply too much in Bradford's toolbox. I think that this is more true now after another year where Peyton Manning dominated the NFL. Bradford is a Manning starter kit with more athleticism.

epicSocialism4tw
01-20-2010, 02:21 PM
I think it was 30.

Either number is WAY too few when 250+ players are being picked.

No doubt.

Embarrassing.

gyldenlove
01-20-2010, 02:25 PM
Clausen doesnt stack up to Bradford. If Bradford looks healthy and right, he'll be the first QB taken. There's simply too much in Bradford's toolbox. I think that this is more true now after another year where Peyton Manning dominated the NFL. Bradford is a Manning starter kit with more athleticism.

I agree, Bradford is a great talent, but the one difference I think a lot of teams will have a hard time overlooking is that Bradford did his damage in a very QB friendly spread offense, while Clausen did it in a much more pro inspired offense. I think Clausen is more NFL ready than Bradford - and I think the teams who are looking for a QB (St Louis, Washington and Buffalo) will see it the same way.

gyldenlove
01-20-2010, 02:26 PM
I think it was 30.

Either number is WAY too few when 250+ players are being picked.

Well he only had a few months to prepare so that is why he was conservative and made sure to prepare better for this years draft when he has more picks..... !Booya!

UberBroncoMan
01-20-2010, 02:28 PM
Does anyone else see us trading our next year's 1st or even 2nd round pick in this draft so we can build quicker?

I can actually see it happening.

WolfpackGuy
01-20-2010, 02:36 PM
Well he only had a few months to prepare so that is why he was conservative and made sure to prepare better for this years draft when he has more picks..... !Booya!

He admitted to only "scouting" for one month!

He would've been better off buying one of those draft guides you find at Texaco.

Those clowns would've done better with 6 of the first 65 picks or whatever it was.

RaiderH8r
01-20-2010, 02:37 PM
Wait on QB. Build the DL, OL. Get the Hurt Locker in 2011. McClain at LB and bring back Nolan as DC. Shatballnardsacknumbskullfartnuts. Keep Marshall.

Rabb
01-20-2010, 02:40 PM
Does anyone else see us trading our next year's 1st or even 2nd round pick in this draft so we can build quicker?

I can actually see it happening.

I think you have a good point and it is very possible, McD has to know he has no option for a year worse than this past one, which was way better than many said he should have

he set the bar (in some good, and bad ways) and has to work with that now

Aftermath
01-20-2010, 02:47 PM
draft mcclain, and then draft golden tate :)

PRBronco
01-20-2010, 02:49 PM
Does anyone else see us trading our next year's 1st or even 2nd round pick in this draft so we can build quicker?

I can actually see it happening.

I actually think that's why McDaniels traded for so many picks last year. He needed results ASAP, in this day and age you only get 2, 3 years tops to prove yourself, if you're lucky.

Also, this is a good platform for me to point out that he needs to use the Shanahan strategy: always trade next year's first rounder. Just do it every year, and you'll always have an extra to play with! No one will catch on.

ColoradoDarin
01-20-2010, 03:00 PM
Does anyone else see us trading our next year's 1st or even 2nd round pick in this draft so we can build quicker?

I can actually see it happening.

Since there won't be a draft or a season in 2011, I'm down for trading all off our picks.... :thanku: :~ohyah!:

gyldenlove
01-20-2010, 03:03 PM
I actually think that's why McDaniels traded for so many picks last year. He needed results ASAP, in this day and age you only get 2, 3 years tops to prove yourself, if you're lucky.

Also, this is a good platform for me to point out that he needs to use the Shanahan strategy: always trade next year's first rounder. Just do it every year, and you'll always have an extra to play with! No one will catch on.

I don't think that is it.

To me the reason we traded so aggressively last year is that Mcdaniels in his draft approach lists a number of players he likes and gives them a grade for when they are good value - this combined with the low number of players on that list means that in a number of situations you get the result where player X is on the list and has a grade that says low 1st round, but is now available in the early 2nd round, that is clearly a good situation except that that player may not be available when our draft pick comes around so we trade to get that player. It is a panic thing, he sees a player he likes at good value and gets flustered because what if that player can't be had and you end up with players who are not so good value?

We saw it over and over. He trades for Smith, then he traded again for Quinn, then for Mckinley, then for Brandstater. Instead of making a plan based on who is available he went for "good" value and in the process screwed the pooch with poor trades.

gyldenlove
01-20-2010, 03:05 PM
Since there won't be a draft or a season in 2011, I'm down for trading all off our picks.... :thanku: :~ohyah!:

The 2011 draft will happen even if no CBA is agreed on unless the NFLPA and NFL decide to cancel it untill a CBA is negotiated.

ColoradoDarin
01-20-2010, 03:10 PM
The 2011 draft will happen even if no CBA is agreed on unless the NFLPA and NFL decide to cancel it untill a CBA is negotiated.

Bah, you go and ruin my perfect plan with your "facts"

gunns
01-20-2010, 03:12 PM
Not necessarily true at all, though Kiper has realized the need for the Broncos having a #1 receiver for some time. Rod's retirement, the busting of other selections, etc. all culminated and showed that we were in need of help at the position. Partly why we invested in the players we have now.

If Marshall is gone, the Broncos don't have much depth at the position and no realistic player of a caliber to keep defenses honest. Currently, we need a deep threat (McKinley could be it, but he didn't catch any balls this year) and will need a quality receiver to replace him. Bryant is one of the better wide receiver prospects to come out in college football over the past decade. He isn't Calvin Johnson, but he is up there. You really need to get the sour taste out of your mouth regarding drafting Ashley Lelie over Ed Reed.

Dez Bryant isn't my #1 choice for our first selection, but he would be a quality player with an elite skill set that could easily replace Marshall upon his departure. People need to stop judging in such matter. If you have a zero-sum tolerance for the NFL Draft, you're bound to be upset. Any team should be excited if they have a chance to land a guy like Bryant, and we definitely have a shot.

We also have a shot at drafting a lot of other quality players. With that said, I just hope we get decent value. If Marshall is moved and we haven't explored any other quality FA options, getting someone like Bryant is a step forward for an offense who was already porous with an All-Star WR.

Nice post, but it was wasted on me. Been watching football since the 60's and have always laughed when teams take a WR in the first round. WR's taken in the first round rarely turn out to be game changers for teams. A game changer can just as easily be found in the later rounds. BPA and that's NEVER a wide receiver. Yes we need one, but not in the first round.

NFLBRONCO
01-20-2010, 03:13 PM
I would not rule anything out with the new FO and we didn't have Matt R last year. Maybe we trade 2011 #1 to Indy or something to bolster OL at 31 or 32.

We traded like fools being unprepared in 09 we'll see how much wheeling and dealing we do this year hopefully more organized this time.

gyldenlove
01-20-2010, 03:34 PM
Bah, you go and ruin my perfect plan with your "facts"

BUAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! Another brilliant plan ruined!

I am the terror that flaps in the night, I am the cloud that rains on your parade - I am Darkwing Duck!

barryr
01-20-2010, 04:28 PM
Yeah, Orton doesn't have a cannon, but Brees has a rocket arm. Again, the clueless continue their rantings and showing zero understanding of what they watch. You don't throw deep balls to guys who aren't open. Well, Cutler does and we saw those results. A pick a minute.

SoDak Bronco
01-20-2010, 04:33 PM
Nice post, but it was wasted on me. Been watching football since the 60's and have always laughed when teams take a WR in the first round. WR's taken in the first round rarely turn out to be game changers for teams. A game changer can just as easily be found in the later rounds. BPA and that's NEVER a wide receiver. Yes we need one, but not in the first round.

i agree and the same can typically be said about RB's.

SoDak Bronco
01-20-2010, 04:34 PM
Yeah, Orton doesn't have a cannon, but Brees has a rocket arm. Again, the clueless continue their rantings and showing zero understanding of what they watch. You don't throw deep balls to guys who aren't open. Well, Cutler does and we saw those results. A pick a minute.

One word here. Accuracy. That is the most underated quality to have as a QB. If you are a NFL Prospect you have a good arm, but if you can be accurate, you have someone deadly.

Requiem
01-20-2010, 04:35 PM
i agree and the same can typically be said about RB's.

It can be said about any position.

SoDak Bronco
01-20-2010, 04:42 PM
it can be said about any position.

lt?

SoDak Bronco
01-20-2010, 04:43 PM
I bet if you look at Left Tackles and QB's, most of the elite guys were first round picks.

barryr
01-20-2010, 04:43 PM
One word here. Accuracy. That is the most underated quality to have as a QB. If you are a NFL Prospect you have a good arm, but if you can be accurate, you have someone deadly.

But there are some real geniuses around here who believe a franchise QB is one who throws the ball hard.

barryr
01-20-2010, 04:46 PM
If the Broncos can get a #1 pick from some sucker of a team, then taking a WR in the 1st round makes sense since they would have 2 1st rounders. It may even if they just have that 1st rounder from the Bears. Take the BPA available and don't reach just for need.

SoDak Bronco
01-20-2010, 04:50 PM
What if we go McClain at 11 and then go after his counterpart up front Mt. Cody at say 25 (baltimores 1st rounder for Marshall).

Requiem
01-20-2010, 04:51 PM
I bet if you look at Left Tackles and QB's, most of the elite guys were first round picks.

Yeah? And a lot of great receivers were number one picks too. You'll find good players who play any position anywhere. There are premiums for certain players because other positions are harder to find, but you can get a great player anywhere in the draft. Most of the best receivers in this league were first day selections as well.

SoDak Bronco
01-20-2010, 04:55 PM
First Day yeah, we were talking about First round. Not trying to get into a pissing match with you, but I think Gunns is correct, WR's are much much easier to find in the later rounds then a stud LT or QB would you not agree?

Requiem
01-20-2010, 04:59 PM
If I'm going to grab an elite receiver, I'm taking him early.

SoDak Bronco
01-20-2010, 05:00 PM
AFC WR's in the pro bowl
* Andre Johnson (http://www.nfl.com/players/andrejohnson/profile?id=JOH056462), Houston--1st Round
* Reggie Wayne (http://www.orangemane.com/players/reggiewayne/profile?id=WAY456953), Indianapolis--1st Round
Brandon Marshall (http://www.orangemane.com/players/brandonmarshall/profile?id=MAR370922), Denver--4th Round
Wes Welker (http://www.orangemane.com/players/weswelker/profile?id=WEL219433), New England--Undrafted
# Chad Ochocinco (http://www.orangemane.com/players/chadochocinco/profile?id=JOH104425), Cincinnati-2nd round

Left Tackles AFC Roster-All in the top half of the 1st round
* Jake Long (http://www.orangemane.com/players/jakelong/profile?id=LON319884), Miami -
* Ryan Clady (http://www.orangemane.com/players/ryanclady/profile?id=CLA031385), Denver
# D'Brickashaw Ferguson (http://www.nfl.com/players/d'brickashawferguson/profile?id=FER084595), N.Y. Jets
Joe Thomas (http://www.nfl.com/players/joethomas/profile?id=THO236114), Cleveland

SoDak Bronco
01-20-2010, 05:01 PM
If I'm going to grab an elite receiver, I'm taking him early.

Maybe, but the stats show you can just as easily find one later in the draft.

NFLBRONCO
01-20-2010, 05:07 PM
NE seems to like to use 2nd round picks on wr.

Requiem
01-20-2010, 05:11 PM
Maybe, but the stats show you can just as easily find one later in the draft.

If you want a Randy Johnson or a Larry Wayne you gotta go round one!

eddie mac
01-20-2010, 05:19 PM
How can you do a realistic mock where you have a team replacing a traded top 10 WR and dont even give them another pick in the first round when you know damn well he will not go for anything less than that.

Dumb!!!

Requiem
01-20-2010, 05:20 PM
Cause discretion is the better part of valor.

DBroncos4life
01-20-2010, 05:21 PM
Nice post, but it was wasted on me. Been watching football since the 60's and have always laughed when teams take a WR in the first round. WR's taken in the first round rarely turn out to be game changers for teams. A game changer can just as easily be found in the later rounds. BPA and that's NEVER a wide receiver. Yes we need one, but not in the first round.

Posters that claim that Marshall isn't a top 5 WR more often then not have Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, Dre Johnson, and Reggie Wayne ranked a head of him. All first rounders. Randy Moss is up there too. Personally I don't see how we gain anything by letting a guy with top 5 talent at the WR position just to draft another WR and see if we can get the same production out of him. If we just pay the one we have then we wouldn't need to risk the chance at drafting a WR that busts in the first round.

epicSocialism4tw
01-20-2010, 05:38 PM
Posters that claim that Marshall isn't a top 5 WR more often then not have Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitz, Dre Johnson, and Reggie Wayne ranked a head of him. All first rounders. Randy Moss is up there too. Personally I don't see how we gain anything by letting a guy with top 5 talent at the WR position just to draft another WR and see if we can get the same production out of him. If we just pay the one we have then we wouldn't need to risk the chance at drafting a WR that busts in the first round.

You are speaking common sense, so I predict that the opposite will actually happen. :)

There is no reason to trade Brandon Marshall unless a real, tangible contributor comes back in return. McD is not above the franchise.

joe9999
01-20-2010, 06:06 PM
Just doesnt make sense to me to trade your top 5 receiver just to draft another one. Build your ****ing lines or front 7


Marshall doesn't fit the system. He isn't a team player. So there is no choice to trade him and draft a replacement. Yeah it is a high price to pay to adapt to the Patriot way. It started on day one and will continue until Josh is gone. Then we can rebuild again in another year or two.

Rohirrim
01-20-2010, 06:21 PM
I keep hearing the pundits saying Marshall is gone and the only thing I've heard Josh say is he wants Marshall here. ???

SonOfLe-loLang
01-20-2010, 06:44 PM
Marshall doesn't fit the system. He isn't a team player. So there is no choice to trade him and draft a replacement. Yeah it is a high price to pay to adapt to the Patriot way. It started on day one and will continue until Josh is gone. Then we can rebuild again in another year or two.


This makes zero sense. 1) Marshall completely fits the system. 2) This "he's not a team player" is bull****. Perhaps he's an ass off the field, but on the field he produces and has won games for us. 3) My point is, if youre gonna trade him, dont draft someone to simply replace him with the pick. Its pointless. If you want to switch directions and rebuild your front seven, im more on board. but why trade a top 5 guy for an unproven commodity...makes.zero.sense.

HILife
01-20-2010, 07:23 PM
The people have spoken.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6462/melkiper.jpg

Pony Boy
01-20-2010, 07:48 PM
For me the major character concern is that he hangs out with Deion Sanders.

And what character concerns does Deion have that would rub off on Dez Bryant...... Maybe the one where he will be inducted in the HOF.......Dude! do you even think at all before you post or are those just brain farts....

gunns
01-20-2010, 08:23 PM
Yeah? And a lot of great receivers were number one picks too. You'll find good players who play any position anywhere. There are premiums for certain players because other positions are harder to find, but you can get a great player anywhere in the draft. Most of the best receivers in this league were first day selections as well.

Nope, out of approx 70 first round WR's taken in the last 20 years only 5 can be considered great. And the majority were busts.

RhymesayersDU
01-20-2010, 08:45 PM
This should work out about as well as Ashley Lelie.

Ed Reed, indeed.

gyldenlove
01-20-2010, 08:54 PM
And what character concerns does Deion have that would rub off on Dez Bryant...... Maybe the one where he will be inducted in the HOF.......Dude! do you even think at all before you post or are those just brain farts....

Maybe it is the one where he tells the player to hold out for half a season - you know like he did with Crabtree.

SoDak Bronco
01-20-2010, 09:00 PM
Maybe it is the one where he tells the player to hold out for half a season - you know like he did with Crabtree.

funny thing is he didn't get any more money. dumbass. I think that also had more to do with DHB being picked a few spots ahead of him, and the Raiders giving him some crazy contract, and Crabtree and his people wanted something inline with DHB's money. Either way, I love the Raiders, hahaHilarious!

RhymesayersDU
01-20-2010, 09:03 PM
To be fair, Crabtree was getting bad advice from a LOT of people. He had a cousin or brother or something managing him, and at one point didn't he have MC Hammer consulting on the deal?

To lay this all on Neon Deion isn't real fair.

DBroncos4life
01-20-2010, 09:11 PM
Nope, out of approx 70 first round WR's taken in the last 20 years only 5 can be considered great. And the majority were busts.

What do you consider great? Randy Moss and Marvin Harrison were both picked in the first round and are among the best WRs to play the game stat wise. Torry Holt, Reggie Wayne, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Randy Moss and Marvin Harrison are all great players. Guys like Herman Moore, Carl Pickens, Johnnie Morton, Joey Galloway, Keyshawn Johnson, Terry Glenn, Eric Moulds, Eddie Kennison, Plaxico Burress, and Santana Moss played up to their draft status in my opinion.

Guys like Roy Williams, Lee Evans, Michael Jenkins, Michael Clayton, Braylon Edwards, Roddy White, Mark Clayton, Santonio Holmes, Ted Ginn Jr., Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, and Anthony Gonzalez are still plenty of young enough to leave their mark on the NFL as well.

gyldenlove
01-20-2010, 09:24 PM
To be fair, Crabtree was getting bad advice from a LOT of people. He had a cousin or brother or something managing him, and at one point didn't he have MC Hammer consulting on the deal?

To lay this all on Neon Deion isn't real fair.

That is true, but the two people he needs to be honest with him on matters of business - his agent (Eugene Parker) and his mentor (Deion Sanders) failed him.

Dez Bryant is represented by the same dynamic duo, he is considered the best WR in the draft, so what happens if he doesn't get drafted as early as he might have been lead to believe.

gunns
01-20-2010, 09:26 PM
What do you consider great? Randy Moss and Marvin Harrison were both picked in the first round and are among the best WRs to play the game stat wise. Torry Holt, Reggie Wayne, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Randy Moss and Marvin Harrison are all great players. Guys like Herman Moore, Carl Pickens, Johnnie Morton, Joey Galloway, Keyshawn Johnson, Terry Glenn, Eric Moulds, Eddie Kennison, Plaxico Burress, and Santana Moss played up to their draft status in my opinion.

Guys like Roy Williams, Lee Evans, Michael Jenkins, Michael Clayton, Braylon Edwards, Roddy White, Mark Clayton, Santonio Holmes, Ted Ginn Jr., Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, and Anthony Gonzalez are still plenty of young enough to leave their mark on the NFL as well.

I'm looking at Fitzgerald, A. Johnson, Moss, Harrison and Wayne. I probably should have included Holt. Calvin Johnson has the potential and has been hampered by the team he plays on. The other guys helped their team but I don't see where they warranted a first round pick after all was said and done. Except for the 5/6 mentioned I don't see where any of the rest were the standout guy who was largely responsible for their team winning games. WR's are just as important as any other player, but not in the first round. Out of 70 players I'd say that's a pretty low percentage.

SoDak Bronco
01-20-2010, 09:26 PM
That is true, but the two people he needs to be honest with him on matters of business - his agent (Eugene Parker) and his mentor (Deion Sanders) failed him.

Dez Bryant is represented by the same dynamic duo, he is considered the best WR in the draft, so what happens if he doesn't get drafted as early as he might have been lead to believe.

we have seen this story before

SoDak Bronco
01-20-2010, 09:27 PM
I'm looking at Fitzgerald, A. Johnson, Moss, Harrison and Wayne. I probably should have included Holt. Calvin Johnson has the potential and has been hampered by the team he plays on. The other guys helped their team but I don't see where they warranted a first round pick after all was said and done. Except for the 5/6 mentioned I don't see where any of the rest were the standout guy who was largely responsible for their team winning games. WR's are just as important as any other player, but not in the first round. Out of 70 players I'd say that's a pretty low percentage.

All I have to say is Rod Smith.

gunns
01-20-2010, 09:32 PM
All I have to say is Rod Smith.

Bingo! Hell NE won a SB with no star receivers and got Moss and can't win one. The OL and DL are priorities are there are BPA at those positions. Without them a WR doesn't mean squat. And I agree, just sign Marshall. But don't break the bank doing it, please.

521 1N5
01-20-2010, 10:17 PM
Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection, when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.

Hit what, a pothole?

haha that's what I was thinkin!

KCStud
01-20-2010, 10:49 PM
Rolando McClain won't fall past us. He is everything Pioli looks for, Pioli will reach for good LB's, it's a big need and his college coach comes from the Parcells coaching tree like our whole staff. Makes too much sense not to happen

TheChamp24
01-20-2010, 11:18 PM
I think saying you shouldn't draft a WR in round 1 because you can get guys later is idiotic. Yes, you can get good WR's later, but there is a difference between hitting on a Randy freakin Moss and a Hines Ward/Rod Smith/Jimmy Smith. Gitting Moss turned the Vikings into Super Bowl contenders for crying out loud. They went from 9-7, 4th in the division to 15-1 and setting records on the offensive side of things.
I think some WR's get way too much hype/credit for college stats when it was more the offensive system, such as the Florida guys 10 years or so ago that would get drafted high and fail because they just weren't that good and benefited from a great system. Such guys like our beloved Gaffney, Caldwell, Ike Hilliard, Reidel Anthony, Jacquez Green, Travis Taylor, etc.
I think the main thing is, it is difficult to really identify how great a WR is from his college days, but if you see a guy dominate like a Fitzgerald did or a Moss, you gotta take him.

mhgaffney
01-21-2010, 03:00 AM
IF Marshall is history and Denver gets a first round pick for BM -- this would give the Broncs an opportunity to pick up a true NT for our 3/4 D

We should use the second first round pick to bolster the front three. So in the first round we would pick

McLain ILB

Dan Williams (Tennessee) or Mt Cody (AL)

We could pick up a replacement for Marshall in round two -- by picking A Benn, a sleeper with off the charts potential. One data base has him listed as the 5th best WR -- but he could be a steal.

5. Aurrelious Benn, Illinois (6-2/220)
Benn has suffered a cruel fate playing with Juice Williams as his quarterback. With a true QB, Benn has limitless potential, as his athleticism and ball skills are off the charts. Hopefully his NFL team will be able to shake the bad habits out of him soon.

Then in the 3rd -4th rounds we grab a Center and Guard.

This does not solve the QB problem -- but it would fill every other hole. Maybe we can find the next Tom Brady in round 6!

bpc
01-21-2010, 04:06 AM
Dez Bryant is a good player and I wouldn't be unhappy, but the depth of this draft is going to be at WR, rounds 1-3.

I would say QB should be our first concern but I just have a feeling that McD things his genius will provide one to us 4th-UDFA.

In this situation we should start building up the front seven of the defense, and the interior OL.

If we lose Marshall, we will have to devote some resources there. IMO, the end of the 1st round, 2nd round is loaded with quality guys. Golden Tate, Damarius Thomas, Damian Williams among others have the ability to come in and play right away for us. In this situation, it would be great to trade back and land the talent we're looking for, if possible. That's a dream scenario though.

RaiderH8r
01-21-2010, 07:14 AM
If I'm going to grab an elite receiver, I'm taking him early.

Hey Matt Millen. Welcome to the Mane.;D

HEAV
01-21-2010, 09:10 AM
They won't take Dez Bryant, he's wasted in our quick-strike, bubble screen and 2 yard crossing pattern juggernaut of an offense.

Bryant would fit better than Marshall.

RaiderH8r
01-21-2010, 09:25 AM
Bryant would fit better than Marshall.

I agree. Bryant's consecutive NFL seasons with 100 catches and 1K yds have been impressive. I also like how Bryant can get open against NFL coverage on a more consistant basis, especially when being double teamed and bracketed. The way Bryant forces NFL secondaries to game plan against him is remarkable for a guy who has been in the league for....ah ****, sorry. I was talking about Marshall.

Bryant has character issues and wouldn't fit in with McKid's plan.

gunns
01-21-2010, 09:27 AM
I think saying you shouldn't draft a WR in round 1 because you can get guys later is idiotic. Yes, you can get good WR's later, but there is a difference between hitting on a Randy freakin Moss and a Hines Ward/Rod Smith/Jimmy Smith. Gitting Moss turned the Vikings into Super Bowl contenders for crying out loud. They went from 9-7, 4th in the division to 15-1 and setting records on the offensive side of things.
I think some WR's get way too much hype/credit for college stats when it was more the offensive system, such as the Florida guys 10 years or so ago that would get drafted high and fail because they just weren't that good and benefited from a great system. Such guys like our beloved Gaffney, Caldwell, Ike Hilliard, Reidel Anthony, Jacquez Green, Travis Taylor, etc.
I think the main thing is, it is difficult to really identify how great a WR is from his college days, but if you see a guy dominate like a Fitzgerald did or a Moss, you gotta take him.

Dominate? Like Peter Warrick or David Terrell? Yes you can hit on a Moss or a Fitzgerald if you're lucky, damn lucky. But a Hines Ward and a Rod Smith have been major contributors in getting their teams SB wins. Just saying....

TheDave
01-21-2010, 09:27 AM
I agree. Bryant's consecutive NFL seasons with 100 catches and 1K yds have been impressive. I also like how Bryant can get open against NFL coverage on a more consistant basis, especially when being double teamed and bracketed. The way Bryant forces NFL secondaries to game plan against him is remarkable for a guy who has been in the league for....ah ****, sorry. I was talking about Marshall.

Bryant has character issues and wouldn't fit in with McKid's plan.

Hilarious!

Rohirrim
01-21-2010, 09:44 AM
Sorry. I'm still not convinced that Marshall is gone.

HEAV
01-21-2010, 09:46 AM
I agree. Bryant's consecutive NFL seasons with 100 catches and 1K yds have been impressive. I also like how Bryant can get open against NFL coverage on a more consistant basis, especially when being double teamed and bracketed. The way Bryant forces NFL secondaries to game plan against him is remarkable for a guy who has been in the league for....ah ****, sorry. I was talking about Marshall.

Bryant has character issues and wouldn't fit in with McKid's plan.

Marshall wasn't missed the last game. Offense still produced without him.

Many NFL scouts say Bryant is better than Crabtree.

Character issue? Talking with Deon Sanders is light years away from beating multiple women, DUI, assualt charges...

PRBronco
01-21-2010, 09:48 AM
Dominate? Like Peter Warrick or David Terrell? Yes you can hit on a Moss or a Fitzgerald if you're lucky, damn lucky. But a Hines Ward and a Rod Smith have been major contributors in getting their teams SB wins. Just saying....

My personal favourite is Rashaun Woods. That was the last time I wanted the Broncos to draft a WR in round 1. I thought he would fix all our problems.

RaiderH8r
01-21-2010, 09:53 AM
Marshall wasn't missed the last game. Offense still produced without him.

Many NFL scouts say Bryant is better than Crabtree.

Character issue? Talking with Deon Sanders is light years away from beating multiple women, DUI, assualt charges...

Marshall makes the offense better. If they produced without him they would have produced more with him. If that's not the case then the problem is with coaching and not Marshall. McKid fundamentally misused and underutilized our offensive talent this season.

Talking with Prime Rib is woman beating, DUI, kicking puppies, pissing on babies, and punching the Pope all in one.

Lastly, there's only one Matt Millen so you and Requiem have to get together and figure out who its going to be.

More than that though, I'm just getting ahead of the curve here; Bryant has character issues and doesn't fit with McKid's plan.

RaiderH8r
01-21-2010, 09:55 AM
Sorry. I'm still not convinced that Marshall is gone.

Man I hope you're right. I doubt it but I'd like to be wrong on this one. I'm sick of being right all the time. :yayaya:

Requiem
01-21-2010, 11:51 AM
Nope, out of approx 70 first round WR's taken in the last 20 years only 5 can be considered great. And the majority were busts.

Lol.

watermock
01-21-2010, 12:33 PM
All I know is I'm mad we pissed away last draft for no reason.

IMO, BM is gone, even tho he's a lifesaver for Orton.

I'd go McClain, McCoy or Mt.Cody if we 2 #1's., but it's way too early.

Gotta watch 2 weeks yet.

I haven't seen any all star games yet either.

HEAV
01-21-2010, 02:25 PM
Talking with Prime Rib is woman beating, DUI, kicking puppies, pissing on babies, and punching the Pope all in one


Just more proof you would rather be a "Character" on the man than a solid poster that offers real takes.