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NFLBRONCO
01-19-2010, 03:27 PM
First of all I love having Champ in Denver and he is a pro's pro and a great player major props there. I do have to question his brains about why he wants to stay here with the present shape of team vs going to a SB contender.

I'm not giving up on McD's yet like lots have but, honestly we are miles from SB right now. Champ should go to a team to get a ring.

Mountain Bronco
01-19-2010, 03:34 PM
Gibberish.

HEAV
01-19-2010, 03:36 PM
Well... we will find out this offseason. Champ got HUGE $$$ money on the line for 2010 and team may not want that much on the line for one year.

vancejohnson82
01-19-2010, 03:41 PM
yea...because we went 8-8 this year and we DEFINITELY wont improve on that

jesus christ...we are not even out of this season yet and people are burying us for next season...same ****, different day

NFLBRONCO
01-19-2010, 03:46 PM
yea...because we went 8-8 this year and we DEFINITELY wont improve on that

jesus christ...we are not even out of this season yet and people are burying us for next season...same ****, different day


I'm not talking about what our 2010 record will be. I'm talking about the reality of being a legit SB contender in next few seasons? Unless we pull off some major moves I think 2012 is soonest we can hope for SB shot.

TDmvp
01-19-2010, 03:49 PM
As much as I like the guy , and the heart he shows , as long as Dave Grohl is our Qb we aint sniffing a Super Bowl ... period...

vancejohnson82
01-19-2010, 03:51 PM
I'm not talking about what our 2010 record will be or our 8-8 2009 record. I'm talking about the reality of being a legit SB contender in next few seasons?

why not? i dont understand what would give anyone the impression that there is no WAY we can compete for the Super Bowl next year or the year after (more realistically)....i just don't get it

the Jets had Kellen Clemens about to start for them last year...then they get Favre outta nowhwere and Sanchez the next year while improving their D and run games....thats how fast stuff happens in the NFL

we havent hit free agency, draft, etcc....and people are already done with us

Cito Pelon
01-19-2010, 03:54 PM
I'm not talking about what our 2010 record will be. I'm talking about the reality of being a legit SB contender in next few seasons? Unless we pull off some major moves I think 2012 is soonest we can hope for SB shot.

Until we see what happens in FA and the draft, one has no idea what the 2010 season or beyond will look like, or whether or not the team will be a legit SB contender.

BroncoInferno
01-19-2010, 03:56 PM
First of all I love having Champ in Denver and he is a pro's pro and a great player major props there. I do have to question his brains about why he wants to stay here with the present shape of team vs going to a SB contender.

I'm not giving up on McD's yet like lots have but, honestly we are miles from SB right now. Champ should go to a team to get a ring.

First of all, you say he needs to "wise up" as if he's a FA and plans to resign with Denver. He is still under contract, so whether he stays or goes is not up to him. Secondly, just last season you had a team that went 1-15 that turned it around to 11-5 in a single offseason. The Falcons were (I believe) 4-12 and went 11-5. Why is it a given that we can't get our 8-8 team on track in short order? You think we have more holes to contend with than those two teams did? The talent differential between a losing or mediocre team and a contender in the salary cap era is not that great.

Popps
01-19-2010, 03:58 PM
Yea, I hope our good players leave, too. Isn't that the mark of a great fan? Wanting your best players to leave?

WFT?!

ant1999e
01-19-2010, 04:08 PM
Yea, I hope our good players leave, too. Isn't that the mark of a great fan? Wanting your best players to leave?

WFT?!

It's OK if they leave but if they are traded by McDouche now that's a different story.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-19-2010, 04:14 PM
He has a little thing called a contract.

If he wants 14 mil this year or whatever he's due, i wouldnt pay him that.

broncolife
01-19-2010, 04:15 PM
I have a feeling were trading Champ for Portis :)

UberBroncoMan
01-19-2010, 04:16 PM
I have a feeling were trading Champ for Portis :)

Don't forget a 2nd round pick... or a cellphone salesman!

LRtagger
01-19-2010, 04:42 PM
I'm not talking about what our 2010 record will be. I'm talking about the reality of being a legit SB contender in next few seasons? Unless we pull off some major moves I think 2012 is soonest we can hope for SB shot.

Did you think the NYJ were a SB contender even 4 weeks ago?

Yet you know one year from today we will not be.

OrangeShadow
01-19-2010, 04:46 PM
You sir are a ruh-tard

theAPAOps5
01-19-2010, 04:51 PM
Does Champ have an option in his contract this year? If so how can he wise up?

SureShot
01-19-2010, 04:53 PM
Does Champ have an option in his contract this year? If so how can he wise up?

Maybe stay away from the ganj and cheetos this off season for a change?

maher_tyler
01-19-2010, 05:01 PM
yea...because we went 8-8 this year and we DEFINITELY wont improve on that

jesus christ...we are not even out of this season yet and people are burying us for next season...same ****, different day

Other than the fact that we don't have any coaches from last year except McD and will be going to yet another defensive scheme...thats what 4 in 4 years?? Imagine guys like DJ and Champs frustrations..they've been very loyal to this team and don't deserve this crap!! There is always hope though!!

Dear lord baby jesus...

eddie mac
01-19-2010, 05:34 PM
Far too many fans are suffering from that new disorder Mike Nolanitis.

Popps
01-19-2010, 05:37 PM
It's OK if they leave but if they are traded by McDouche now that's a different story.

Hilarious!

The lunacy never stops around here.

bowtown
01-19-2010, 05:38 PM
Maybe stay away from the ganj and cheetos this off season for a change?

It helps him get through the game tape.*

*game tape = porn

He has a unique technique.

LRtagger
01-19-2010, 06:03 PM
Other than the fact that we don't have any coaches from last year except McD and will be going to yet another defensive scheme...thats what 4 in 4 years?? Imagine guys like DJ and Champs frustrations..they've been very loyal to this team and don't deserve this crap!! There is always hope though!!

Dear lord baby jesus...

We are switching schemes?

Please elaborate on your insider info.

Florida_Bronco
01-19-2010, 06:05 PM
Yea, I hope our good players leave, too. Isn't that the mark of a great fan? Wanting your best players to leave?

This is what fantasy football has done to the league.

Taco John
01-19-2010, 06:21 PM
I've known NFLBRONCO for 10 years as one of the most fierce Broncos fans I've ever known. This isn't about what fantasy football has done to the league. This is about what management has done to this team in the last year. We've never experienced this as Broncos fans before. This franchise went from being the model of stability, to uncertainty and doubt.

It's BS to blame the fans for harboring concern and doubts in the middle of a 2-8 stretch.

Cito Pelon
01-19-2010, 06:53 PM
I've known NFLBRONCO for 10 years as one of the most fierce Broncos fans I've ever known. This isn't about what fantasy football has done to the league. This is about what management has done to this team in the last year. We've never experienced this as Broncos fans before. This franchise went from being the model of stability, to uncertainty and doubt.

It's BS to blame the fans for harboring concern and doubts in the middle of a 2-8 stretch.

Please. Get off the hysterics. Granted the 2-8 finish was enough to puke, but 4 of those losses were to eventual 2009 playoff teams. Do I need to repeat that? Seems like I have to since the point hasn't sunk in.

Get off the hysterics. "Uncertainty and doubt" is in you own mind. You've put a negative spin on everything since January 2009, so maybe you should be more positive, eh? Even in my worst Shanny-bashing days I maintained a positive attitude and didn't delve into the depths of sniveling I've seen from yourself and too many others.

Actually, there's only about 60 posters on the board that are constant snivelers. But they're loud snivelers.

broncswin
01-19-2010, 06:59 PM
I've known NFLBRONCO for 10 years as one of the most fierce Broncos fans I've ever known. This isn't about what fantasy football has done to the league. This is about what management has done to this team in the last year. We've never experienced this as Broncos fans before. This franchise went from being the model of stability, to uncertainty and doubt.

It's BS to blame the fans for harboring concern and doubts in the middle of a 2-8 stretch.

TJ who in the H3ll is blaming the fans, I don't give a shiat what kind of fan this guy is, don't go saying vets that are loved on your team should brighten up and leave...if this fierce fan wants to throw in the towel, let him:wave:

azbroncfan
01-19-2010, 07:06 PM
Is Champ a top 5 CB anymore? Revis, Asomugha, Woodson of late, anyone else? I am sure I am forgetting some but he is still good but not the dominant player he once was.

NFLBRONCO
01-19-2010, 08:28 PM
I see this thread has sparked up alot of things from posters here.

I guess I should spell it out more clear

1. One the thread title was a poor choice of words that's what started the firestorm for that my apologies.

2. I still support McD 100% and think he can do well in time. As of now we are in major flux. This offseason is huge for FO because I do think staff needs to make a move that excites fans for the near future or it will get uglier on here.

3. The point of this thread was I think Denver should tell Champ to move on as a grand gesture to him for being a great classy pro's pro let him have a chance to win a ring elsewhere.

Right now I feel we are miles away from a SB run. Could I be wrong sure but, we have too many glaring needs that are hard to fill in one offseason. Unless we make 90% all the right moves I'm expecting it to take a few offseasons to finish by then Champ might be done anyways.

some here thought I'm giving up on this team no way never but, I take more realistic straight forward views is all.

I was hoping posters would understand the grand gesture part but, its ok if you disagree with the rest.

I guess its more important that we have Champ and win 8-10 games no playoffs then let him walk.

Just my view and if he stays great.

NFLBRONCO
01-19-2010, 08:37 PM
I've known NFLBRONCO for 10 years as one of the most fierce Broncos fans I've ever known. This isn't about what fantasy football has done to the league. This is about what management has done to this team in the last year. We've never experienced this as Broncos fans before. This franchise went from being the model of stability, to uncertainty and doubt.

It's BS to blame the fans for harboring concern and doubts in the middle of a 2-8 stretch.

Thanks alot TJ

Florida_Bronco
01-19-2010, 08:52 PM
I've known NFLBRONCO for 10 years as one of the most fierce Broncos fans I've ever known. This isn't about what fantasy football has done to the league. This is about what management has done to this team in the last year. We've never experienced this as Broncos fans before. This franchise went from being the model of stability, to uncertainty and doubt.

It's BS to blame the fans for harboring concern and doubts in the middle of a 2-8 stretch.

So you counter that by suggesting that one of our best players should leave to go chase a ring with another team?

Brilliant. ::)

Is Champ a top 5 CB anymore? Revis, Asomugha, Woodson of late, anyone else? I am sure I am forgetting some but he is still good but not the dominant player he once was. Absolutely. Woodson put up some real good numbers this year but he's never been an elite shut down corner like Champ has.

You can make a pretty solid case for Revis, Whatshisface and Champ all being the top corner in the league.

azbroncfan
01-19-2010, 08:53 PM
This franchise went from being the model of stability, to uncertainty and doubt.

.

That was because the wool was pulled over our eyes when in reality the team one one playoff game in 10 years and was the model of mediocrity. Teams like Steelers, Colts, Eagles, Pats can have that label but not the Broncos of the 2000's.

theAPAOps5
01-19-2010, 09:09 PM
I've known NFLBRONCO for 10 years as one of the most fierce Broncos fans I've ever known. This isn't about what fantasy football has done to the league. This is about what management has done to this team in the last year. We've never experienced this as Broncos fans before. This franchise went from being the model of stability, to uncertainty and doubt.

It's BS to blame the fans for harboring concern and doubts in the middle of a 2-8 stretch.

Thats all fine and well and I definitely can see where NFLBRONCO is coming from being upset. Because I am upset, heck lots of people are upset. But fact is Champ can wise up all he wants but still remains under contract. He isn't trying to decide between the Broncos and another team.

What makes Champ so great and what separates him from the likes of Marshall and others is that he will play out his contract and play to the best of his ability.

Now if the team wants to trade him then I think the best thing they could do is send him to a team who has a chance to make noise. If not keep him and try to make noise themselves.

Taco John
01-19-2010, 09:13 PM
That was because the wool was pulled over our eyes when in reality the team one one playoff game in 10 years and was the model of mediocrity. Teams like Steelers, Colts, Eagles, Pats can have that label but not the Broncos of the 2000's.

That's fine, but the chorus to fire Shanahan was pretty soft-spoken. People still believed in the guy. It wasn't 50-50 like it is right now. I think it's as unfortunate as anybody that the bandwagon is split on the guy. Two more wins would have made all the difference. Hell - beating KC at home would have made a HUGE difference.

NFLBRONCO
01-19-2010, 09:15 PM
Thats all fine and well and I definitely can see where NFLBRONCO is coming from being upset. Because I am upset, heck lots of people are upset. But fact is Champ can wise up all he wants but still remains under contract. He isn't trying to decide between the Broncos and another team.

What makes Champ so great and what separates him from the likes of Marshall and others is that he will play out his contract and play to the best of his ability.

Now if the team wants to trade him then I think the best thing they could do is send him to a team who has a chance to make noise. If not keep him and try to make noise themselves.

Good point on Champ.

Cito Pelon
01-19-2010, 09:18 PM
That's fine, but the chorus to fire Shanahan was pretty soft-spoken. People still believed in the guy. It wasn't 50-50 like it is right now. I think it's as unfortunate as anybody that the bandwagon is split on the guy. Two more wins would have made all the difference. Hell - beating KC at home would have made a HUGE difference.

Yup. Dude has that question mark over his head. As in - What...The...Fark happened there, hotshot?

Pony Boy
01-19-2010, 09:37 PM
First of all I love having Champ in Denver and he is a pro's pro and a great player major props there. I do have to question his brains about why he wants to stay here with the present shape of team vs going to a SB contender.

I'm not giving up on McD's yet like lots have but, honestly we are miles from SB right now. Champ should go to a team to get a ring.

So..... How does Champ identify which team is going to win a ring? I would like to be able to do that, a guy could have some fun in Vegas with that knowledge....

TDmvp
01-19-2010, 09:44 PM
That was because the wool was pulled over our eyes when in reality the team one one playoff game in 10 years and was the model of mediocrity. Teams like Steelers, Colts, Eagles, Pats can have that label but not the Broncos of the 2000's.



Sorry the numbers disagree ...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-11-26-nfl-parity-cover_N.htm

Over the last decade.
Team- Wins
Indianapolis Colts 111
New England Patriots 109
Pittsburgh Steelers 100
Philadelphia Eagles 98
Denver Broncos 92


And I know I know , one playoff win and 0 super bowls ... But regardless your statement is false about them being middle of the road over the last decade. Like Mike or not . Wanted him here or wanted him gone , saying 92 wins and 5th in the NFL for the decade is crap is just stupid.


I know a bunch of teams who would trade decades with yas...

NFLBRONCO
01-19-2010, 09:57 PM
So..... How does Champ identify which team is going to win a ring? I would like to be able to do that, a guy could have some fun in Vegas with that knowledge....

Champ to Indy Pitt NO

Bronco Yoda
01-19-2010, 11:54 PM
First of all I love having Champ in Denver and he is a pro's pro and a great player major props there. I do have to question his brains about why he wants to stay here with the present shape of team vs going to a SB contender.

I'm not giving up on McD's yet like lots have but, honestly we are miles from SB right now. Champ should go to a team to get a ring.

:thumbsdow:

KevinJames
01-19-2010, 11:57 PM
I hope Champ is with us till he retires even if that means he has to switch to Safety down the line.

Bronco Yoda
01-19-2010, 11:58 PM
Yea, I hope our good players leave, too. Isn't that the mark of a great fan? Wanting your best players to leave?

WFT?!

Sign of the times I guess. Some of these fans these days. They care more about players than their team. WTF?

Crushaholic
01-20-2010, 09:43 AM
Sign of the times I guess. Some of these fans these days. They care more about players than their team. WTF?

That's exactly why I hate fantasy football...

azbroncfan
01-20-2010, 09:49 AM
Sorry the numbers disagree ...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-11-26-nfl-parity-cover_N.htm

Over the last decade.
Team- Wins
Indianapolis Colts 111
New England Patriots 109
Pittsburgh Steelers 100
Philadelphia Eagles 98
Denver Broncos 92


And I know I know , one playoff win and 0 super bowls ... But regardless your statement is false about them being middle of the road over the last decade. Like Mike or not . Wanted him here or wanted him gone , saying 92 wins and 5th in the NFL for the decade is crap is just stupid.


I know a bunch of teams who would trade decades with yas...

Yep that is about right averaging 8-10 win a year equals mediocre. I didn't say they were crap just mediocre and Bronco fans have tended to think the teams were better than they actually were.

TDmvp
01-20-2010, 12:49 PM
Yep that is about right averaging 8-10 win a year equals mediocre. I didn't say they were crap just mediocre and Bronco fans have tended to think the teams were better than they actually were.




Jeez .... Someone is confused

You see 5th out of 32 is not the middle .... sorry

WolfpackGuy
01-20-2010, 01:18 PM
Champ is as good as gone.

They have Shorty Smith to handily replace him.

LOL

azbroncfan
01-20-2010, 05:35 PM
Jeez .... Someone is confused

You see 5th out of 32 is not the middle .... sorry

Again I didn't say they were in the middle of the pack. They won their fair share of regular season games but really only had one good team in 10 years. The rest equaled blowout losses in the playoffs and the Raiders even had more playoff wins. Again Denver fans like to think the franchise was elite in the 2000 but in reality they were pretenders and parlay'd lots of regular season wins to keep Shanny's job safe for awhile. Stats can be twisted anyway so let me ask you what 2000 decade would you of rather had the Giants or Broncos? Tampa Bay's or Denver's? Baltimore Ravens or Denver Broncos?

bombquixote
01-20-2010, 05:46 PM
As much as I like the guy , and the heart he shows , as long as Dave Grohl is our Qb we aint sniffing a Super Bowl ... period...

Purdy much.

SureShot
01-20-2010, 05:48 PM
What makes Champ so great and what separates him from the likes of Marshall and others is that he will play out his contract and play to the best of his ability.


As long as you hire my no talent brother to get injured and drink gatorade we all cool.

NFLBRONCO
01-20-2010, 08:40 PM
Did you think the NYJ were a SB contender even 4 weeks ago?

Yet you know one year from today we will not be.



Jets D is alot better then ours. Their rookie QB has a ton more upside then Kyle Orton and he played pretty good for a rookie. No I did not think the Jets were a SB contender your right. If you asked me 4 weeks ago who was closer to SB us or Jets I'd say the Jets.

Anything is possible if right moves are made but, not expecting everything to turn to gold for us in 1 yr sorry but we'll see. I do think we will get there in a few years though.

DBroncos4life
01-20-2010, 09:00 PM
Yep that is about right averaging 8-10 win a year equals mediocre. I didn't say they were crap just mediocre and Bronco fans have tended to think the teams were better than they actually were.

Four teams with more wins then us in the last ten years when there are thirty-two teams in the NFL. Where does that leave the other twenty-seven teams in your mind?

SouthStndJunkie
01-20-2010, 09:04 PM
Champ is going to try and get one last decent sized contract....he will be 32 in June.

He is owed $12 million in 2010 from the Broncos.

Champ knows the ball is in Denver's court....I think he let's them make the first move.

$12 million is a lot of money....if Denver does not offer him a new deal this year, he may take the $12 million and play his ass off and get the best deal he can after the 2010 season.

If Denver offers him a new deal and Champ does not like it, he may force their hand if they don't want to pay him the $12 million. That could set up a potential trade.

Basically, Champ is waiting for the Broncos to make the first move and then he will let his feelings be known....he is actually sitting in a pretty good position.

azbroncfan
01-20-2010, 09:25 PM
Four teams with more wins then us in the last ten years when there are thirty-two teams in the NFL. Where does that leave the other twenty-seven teams in your mind?

Again regular season wins mean nothing if you don't turn them into anything. All I am saying is, just like your doing above, Denver fans seem to think Denver was a premier franchise over the 2000's when they were mediocre and underachieved for the most part. Only 1 year were they even a serious threat for a superbowl. I would of taken Tampa Bays, Baltimore, NYG past Decade over Denver's even though they have less reg season wins. Denver was about the tenth best team in the 2000's. Playoffs and championships matter to me not 9-7 regular seasons with hot starts and cold finishes.

bronco militia
01-20-2010, 09:35 PM
I'm not interested in trading him due to the morons we have running the front office....

FYI...mc****face has final say on the roster

thanks again pat, ya gutless drunk

NFLBRONCO
01-20-2010, 11:24 PM
Champ is going to try and get one last decent sized contract....he will be 32 in June.

He is owed $12 million in 2010 from the Broncos.

Champ knows the ball is in Denver's court....I think he let's them make the first move.

$12 million is a lot of money....if Denver does not offer him a new deal this year, he may take the $12 million and play his ass off and get the best deal he can after the 2010 season.

If Denver offers him a new deal and Champ does not like it, he may force their hand if they don't want to pay him the $12 million. That could set up a potential trade.

Basically, Champ is waiting for the Broncos to make the first move and then he will let his feelings be known....he is actually sitting in a pretty good position.


Solid view thanks Junkman

NFLBRONCO
01-20-2010, 11:25 PM
I'm not interested in trading him due to the morons we have running the front office....

FYI...mc****face has final say on the roster

thanks again pat, ya gutless drunk

Don't hold back tell us how you really feel LOL

dbfan4life
01-21-2010, 06:31 AM
As much as I like the guy , and the heart he shows , as long as Dave Grohl is our Qb we aint sniffing a Super Bowl ... period...

Well, he might. If the Fighthers of the Foo provide half-time entertainment. That would be awesome! :rofl:

TheDave
01-21-2010, 08:16 AM
Considering our secondary is the strength of our team combined with McKidds habit of shaking up the teams strength...

Champs gonna be trade bait. ;D *


* Sarcasm smiley added to not further ruffle the feathers of "Real Fans", McDaniels supporters, and his family members.

Rohirrim
01-21-2010, 08:18 AM
Considering our secondary is the strength of our team combined with McKidds habit of shaking up the teams strength...

Champs gonna be trade bait.

And you accuse other people of wild specualtions in defense of McD? :rofl:

TheDave
01-21-2010, 08:22 AM
And you accuse other people of wild specualtions in defense of McD? :rofl:

Sorry, I forgot how sensitive some of you have become... I will go back and add the the sarcasm smiley.

SureShot
01-21-2010, 08:32 AM
TheDave hates the Broncos and America.

NFLBRONCO
01-21-2010, 08:40 AM
One thing I found out in this thread was how confident everyone is Bowlen will sign anyone to longterm big contracts. Years ago I wouldn't even question it now though I'm not that sure.

I got to see what happens with Doom and Champ this offseason

~Crash~
01-21-2010, 08:56 AM
why not? i dont understand what would give anyone the impression that there is no WAY we can compete for the Super Bowl next year or the year after (more realistically)....i just don't get it

the Jets had Kellen Clemens about to start for them last year...then they get Favre outta nowhwere and Sanchez the next year while improving their D and run games....thats how fast stuff happens in the NFL

we havent hit free agency, draft, etcc....and people are already done with us

Why you ask ...you site the jets ....then compair a team with no depth Broncos. jets are deep and you act like the jets are close and really they are not.

if you rebuild your Oline you can be realistic and say there goes a year and a half and that is if you get the guys that will work the first shot at trying.. Add In we don't have a Starting QB and I see 3 years out after you find a real starting QB.

Beantown Bronco
01-21-2010, 08:59 AM
Jeez .... Someone is confused

You see 5th out of 32 is not the middle .... sorry

They are not 5th out of 32 if you include post season victories. The chart you provided includes only regular season wins.

~Crash~
01-21-2010, 09:04 AM
One thing I found out in this thread was how confident everyone is Bowlen will sign anyone to longterm big contracts. Years ago I wouldn't even question it now though I'm not that sure.

I got to see what happens with Doom and Champ this offseason

I think you are spot on with the Idea it is going to take huge amounts of time to win with tallent only as this coach wants to do

at this point McD is talking a total rebuild ! You don't do that in a off season.

We are now the KC chiefs of 3 years ago people need to ge a grip.

~Crash~
01-21-2010, 09:12 AM
after we lost the AFC Championship game I made a thread stating we should trade all players that were worth there salt and start over . there was good reason then and I have no problem doing this now as long as people get the Idea we are talking time and we start this year I don't want any more band aids. this team is full of holes at this point .

I want to trade anyone that don't fit the system. and I want all players that will be past there prime in 4 years traded .

If This is not done I hope we still fire McD because he has no clue as to how you win games with the personnel he has right now .

~Crash~
01-21-2010, 09:21 AM
Yea, I hope our good players leave, too. Isn't that the mark of a great fan? Wanting your best players to leave?

WFT?!

To build a team from ground up on talent takes time .

~Crash~
01-21-2010, 09:27 AM
This is what fantasy football has done to the league.

No reality is we are not close ! Get a ****ing grip.