Pelosi/Franken adamant health care reform will pass, regardless of MA...

[bpc]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/19/AR2010011903339.html

She says the country will get "affordable health care for all Americans" no matter what happens in Massachusetts.

What the hell is wrong with radical progressives? Polls show that the American public is overwhelmingly against this bill. 56% oppose this bill, only 36% approve of it. So much angst against this bill that a state which hasn't voted rebublican in nearly 40 years, is going to turn their back on the party to potentially stop it from passing.

This is the extent that these people will go, to utterly disregard the people in the process while they try to push their radical extremes into law.

[Bronx33]

see it doesn't matter what the people want.

[Rigs11]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/19/AR2010011903339.html

She says the country will get "affordable health care for all Americans" no matter what happens in Massachusetts.

What the hell is wrong with radical progressives? Polls show that the American public is overwhelmingly against this bill. 56% oppose this bill, only 36% approve of it. So much angst against this bill that a state which hasn't voted rebublican in nearly 40 years, is going to turn their back on the party to potentially stop it from passing.

This is the extent that these people will go, to utterly disregard the people in the process while they try to push their radical extremes into law.
All of a sudden you care about what the public thinks? How freaking convenient. i remember all you jackasses around here supporting Bush in iraq, dismissing polls, and not a word from you when Darth Cheney came out an said he didn't care what the public thought.continues to baffle me that you are so against a program that would help people here and yet supported a war over seas.

[yavoon]

even if a republican wins? wow. you chase that whale ahab.

[bpc]

I didn't support GW going into Iraq, so spare me your rant.

Nancy Pelosi did though.

<a href="http://photobucket.com/images/nancy%20pelosi%20iraq" target="_blank"><img src="http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h249/ohsomojo/san-fran-nan.jpg" border="0" alt="Pelosi Sucks and Blows Pictures, Images and Photos"/></a>

[watermock]

Mass already have it. 97% are covered.

They don't want to pay for california when taxes are allready outrageous.

That's the reason.

[peacepipe]

All the house needs to do is agree to the senates version & it will go straight to the president to be signed.

[bpc]

All the house needs to do is agree to the senates version & it will go straight to the president to be signed.

So you agree with politicians completely disregarding the peoples feelings on the matter, that they don't agree with it?

How communist of you.

[Rigs11]

I didn't support GW going into Iraq, so spare me your rant.

Nancy Pelosi did though.

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Ahh of course you didn't. You brought up your outrage at how the public wasn't bein listened to. Well they weren't listened to back then. And you bring up pelosi?

[Bronx33]

So you agree with politicians completely disregarding the peoples feelings on the matter, that they don't agree with it?

How communist of you.


little things like this mean nothing to socialists

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

[rastaman]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/19/AR2010011903339.html

She says the country will get "affordable health care for all Americans" no matter what happens in Massachusetts.

What the hell is wrong with radical progressives? Polls show that the American public is overwhelmingly against this bill. 56% oppose this bill, only 36% approve of it. So much angst against this bill that a state which hasn't voted rebublican in nearly 40 years, is going to turn their back on the party to potentially stop it from passing.

This is the extent that these people will go, to utterly disregard the people in the process while they try to push their radical extremes into law.

Reconciliation....Here we come! After all, if Reagan and the Bush's can use reconciliation to RAM down their agendas down the throats of Americans for 20 years----Why Obama can do the same thing.

[rastaman]

I didn't support GW going into Iraq, so spare me your rant.

Nancy Pelosi did though.

<a href="http://photobucket.com/images/nancy%20pelosi%20iraq" target="_blank"><img src="http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h249/ohsomojo/san-fran-nan.jpg" border="0" alt="Pelosi Sucks and Blows Pictures, Images and Photos"/></a>

Based on the Intelligence Lies told to her by the Bush War Crimes apparatus.

[rastaman]

little things like this mean nothing to socialists

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

So are you insinuating that Facsist Republicans for the last 20 years of GOP Presidents were right in using Reconciliation to cramm down their corporate facsist Agenda!

http://mediamattersaction.org/factcheck/200909030007

[Garcia Bronco]

Her idea of affordable and mine are two different things judging by the bills on the table. I want reform too, but the bill on the tables sucks dick. Further it should be up to the states.

[rastaman]

Remember Bronx's historically Democrats have always governed well while the Republicans have been great Politicians to propagandize the masses. The Tea Baggers/Independents are too embarrassed to call themselves who they truly are--REPUBLICANS!

[Bronx33]

Remember Bronx's historically Democrats have always governed well while the Republicans have been great Politicians to propagandize the masses. The Tea Baggers/Independents are too embarrassed to call themselves who they truly are--REPUBLICANS!

Remember rasta historically dems haven't shoved a socialist agenda down americans throats before this is a new low for politicians and yep dems chose to attempt it and it will be their demise.

[bpc]

Reconciliation is going to be a mortal wound for the progressives and democrats. Move on without the people, and they will move on without you... in LARGE numbers. All the senators sitting on the fence in fringe states better start understanding that while Obama and Pelosi encourage them to take one on the chin for the party. Combine that with the fact that NOBODY will be seeing positives from this (if at all) until four years down the road, republicans are going to be moving all their stuff right back in.

Dem's are going to be playing with the double edged sword over the coming weeks. This is THEIR agenda, not the peoples wishes. It's shown in the polls.

[Bronx33]

Reconciliation is going to be a mortal wound for the progressives and democrats. Move on without the people, and they will move on without you... in LARGE numbers. All the senators sitting on the fence in fringe states better start understanding that while Obama and Pelosi encourage them to take one on the chin for the party. Combine that with the fact that NOBODY will be seeing positives from this (if at all) until four years down the road, republicans are going to be moving all their stuff right back in.

Dem's are going to be playing with the double edged sword over the coming weeks. This is THEIR agenda, not the peoples wishes. It's shown in the polls.


There is alot more to this HCR if the dems are willing to throw away the 2012 elections for it and at the same time ignore more pressing issues (now) and that tells me we have to kill it until it's freaking deader that teddy kennedy.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Reconciliation is going to be a mortal wound for the progressives and democrats. Move on without the people, and they will move on without you... in LARGE numbers. All the senators sitting on the fence in fringe states better start understanding that while Obama and Pelosi encourage them to take one on the chin for the party. Combine that with the fact that NOBODY will be seeing positives from this (if at all) until four years down the road, republicans are going to be moving all their stuff right back in.

Dem's are going to be playing with the double edged sword over the coming weeks. This is THEIR agenda, not the peoples wishes. It's shown in the polls.

The mandate from the people is clear.

The Big Tax Progressives are no longer tolerated. It is always a mistake to increase taxation and reduce Joe citizen's cash flow while jobs are becoming more scarce, industries are lowering pay, and inflation is occurring.


The Obama wave is now a beach at low tide. The Dems better adjust, or they'll be working for lobbyists next year.

[peacepipe]

So you agree with politicians completely disregarding the peoples feelings on the matter, that they don't agree with it?

How communist of you. Majority rules in our system of government. 1 state does not make a majority.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

see it doesn't matter what the people want.

Funny - you never had a problem with that concept when Bush and your party controlled the WH and both chambers of Congress.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The referendum is clear: the People are taking the Republic back.

The Obama regime's attempt to "let no good catastrophe go to waste" has hit a roadblock: democracy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The referendum is clear: the People are taking the Republic back

Hilarious!

Then how do you spin what happened in '08?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Hilarious!

Then how do you spin what happened in '08?

That was a clear vote against the status quo, just as todays vote was.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That was a clear vote against the status quo, just as todays vote was.

Today's vote was just another instance of voters taking their frustrations out on the party in power when the economy is in the toilet.

Why is the economy in the toilet?

Bush and your party left it that way after eight years of abuse and neglect.

[spdirty]

Hilarious!

Then how do you spin what happened in '08?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-AfOhyn_S4

[epicSocialism4tw]

Today's vote was just another instance of voters taking their frustrations out on the party in power when the economy is in the toilet.

Why is the economy in the toilet?

Bush and your party left it that way after eight years of abuse and neglect.


What did Obama want to do with the economy?

His first priorities were to:

1) Get the US into a ridiculous amount of debt. Stimulus = devaluation of the dollar. Check the prices of food at your favorite local restaurant. Notice the price increase? That's called inflation. Yeah. Thanks Obama.

2) Pull money away from citizens and put it into the hands of the government. Cap and Trade. Obamacare. Is it really smart to squeeze the American citizen even more when he is suffering? Really?

Basically, Obama wanted to make the economy worse. That's great policy for someone who campaigned on cutting government waste and finding ways to improve the economy. Those ideas, by the way, are fiscal conservative ideas...the same ones that founded the Tea Party.

[spdirty]

Today's vote was just another instance of voters taking their frustrations out on the party in power when the economy is in the toilet.

Why is the economy in the toilet?

Bush and your party left it that way after eight years of abuse and neglect.

:rofl: This is my all time favorite spin. Basically Bush got a Republican elected to Ted Kennedy's seat.:thumbs:

[epicSocialism4tw]

:rofl: This is my all time favorite spin. Basically Bush got a Republican elected to Ted Kennedy's seat.:thumbs:

Ha!

You win.

Thread over.

[TheDave]

Hopefully this will put the final nail in the coffin of this damned bill... I doubt they will get the house to accept the senate version after tonights vote.

[bpc]

If the Democrats really want President Obama to succeed, they should take this health care bill back to the operating room for some serious liposuction. If they ram this one through a pyrrhic victory awaits them, but if they do a simple bill with insurance reform and access to preventive and catastrophic care for all (and no Nebraska specials, union giveaways, or abortion language), they will be remembered as the party that got things moving in the right direction.

[broncocalijohn]

Hopefully this will put the final nail in the coffin of this damned bill... I doubt they will get the house to accept the senate version after tonights vote.

According to Barney Frank, they have seen the writing on the wall and will need to work with the Republicans on this HC issue. Sounds like no Bi-partisanship to me.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What did Obama want to do with the economy?

His first priorities were to:

1) Get the US into a ridiculous amount of debt.

ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!

Stopped reading right there.

This from a supporter of the same president who borrowed more than every president before him combined?

I certainly don't recall hearing any protests from you about spending when that was taking place.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

:rofl: This is my all time favorite spin. Basically Bush got a Republican elected to Ted Kennedy's seat.:thumbs:

That's what happens when you hose the economy, cut and run, and leave the other party holding the bag.

Nothing new about that strategy for republi-cons.

[broncocalijohn]

That's what happens when you hose the economy, cut and run, and leave the other party holding the bag.

Nothing new about that strategy for republi-cons.

yeah, strategy was to screw up the economy and then be left with 40 senators. Now there is a recipe for being a winner. How about the republicans got what they deserved in Nov. of 08 then the Democrats thought they can get a far left wing agenda past and injected into the American people.

[barryr]

If the democrats continue to refuse to listen to the people, the people will elect those that will. That's just the way it is, so it's up to the democrats to start listening and stop the arrogance or more defeats are coming their way in 2010.

[Bronx33]

Funny - you never had a problem with that concept when Bush and your party controlled the WH and both chambers of Congress.

Welcome to 2010 feel free to get used to it.

[Bronx33]

Reconciliation....Here we come! After all, if Reagan and the Bush's can use reconciliation to RAM down their agendas down the throats of Americans for 20 years----Why Obama can do the same thing.


Whats funny is you/polosi/frankin really think 50 senators are willing to end their careers and fall on the sword for this POS bill you know as well as me scumbag politicians will always save themselves in the end they will draw the line at some point.

Also don't forget about the abortion issues that some dems don't like and most likely won't vote for it.

It wasn't coakleys campaign it was obamas HCR bill that lost ted kennedys seat to a freaking rookie senator the HCR ride is over rasta.

READ THIS (http://act.boldprogressives.org/cms/sign/mapollresults/?source=frontpage)

[bombay]

I'm fine with the HCR failing as currently constituted.

Without the public option, it's simply a panacea for the insurance companies.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I'm fine with the HCR failing as currently constituted.

Without the public option, it's simply a panacea for the insurance companies.

The only way to make health care work is to find a way to subsidize the private sector in a way that improves care and lowers cost.

Otherwise its a boondoggle. It will never get through.

[55CrushEm]

ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!ROFL!

Stopped reading right there.

This from a supporter of the same president who borrowed more than every president before him combined?

I certainly don't recall hearing any protests from you about spending when that was taking place.

Well, you sure did from me. My biggest complaint of Bush was his large increases in government spending. At least I'm consistent.

Why is it YOU have no complaint with the ridiculous level of spending by Obama.....but it was a big problem for you under Bush? Simple question really.

[Beantown Bronco]

Today's vote was just another instance of voters taking their frustrations out on the party in power when the economy is in the toilet.

Not true. The ONLY reason Coakley lost was because of the health care bill. If that wasn't an issue, she wins in a landslide, regardless of the status of the economy.

[55CrushEm]

The only way to make health care work is to find a way to subsidize the private sector in a way that improves care and lowers cost.

Otherwise its a boondoggle. It will never get through.

Agreed. I'm not for more government subsidies, usually, however. But this would be the best option for getting people insured. Yes, unfortunately, it's just another form of welfare.....but subsidizing PRIVATE insurance is a hell of a lot better than having a government run healthcare system.....just a friggin nightmare.

[Bronx33]

Not true. The ONLY reason Coakley lost was because of the health care bill. If that wasn't an issue, she wins in a landslide, regardless of the status of the economy.

This should help back you up...

http://act.boldprogressives.org/cms/sign/mapollresults/?source=frontpage

[Garcia Bronco]

Not true. The ONLY reason Coakley lost was because of the health care bill. If that wasn't an issue, she wins in a landslide, regardless of the status of the economy.

This is the part where a guy from LA tells you what you states believes and why they voted.

[Garcia Bronco]

The only way to make health care work is to find a way to subsidize the private sector in a way that improves care and lowers cost.

Otherwise its a boondoggle. It will never get through.

And adds doctors to the system

[rastaman]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/19/AR2010011903339.html

She says the country will get "affordable health care for all Americans" no matter what happens in Massachusetts.

What the hell is wrong with radical progressives? Polls show that the American public is overwhelmingly against this bill. 56% oppose this bill, only 36% approve of it. So much angst against this bill that a state which hasn't voted rebublican in nearly 40 years, is going to turn their back on the party to potentially stop it from passing.

This is the extent that these people will go, to utterly disregard the people in the process while they try to push their radical extremes into law.

The polls also show that Americans want the "Public Option" as well. The country has grown tired of Republican Corporate Healthcare in this country.

[Dukes]

The polls also show that Americans want the "Public Option" as well. The country has grown tired of Republican Corporate Healthcare in this country.

So why would they support this bill? It only adds strength to corporate healthcare ???

[Garcia Bronco]

So why would they support this bill? It only adds strength to corporate healthcare ???

Dude...don't confuse him.

[Breaker]

All of a sudden you care about what the public thinks? How freaking convenient. i remember all you jackasses around here supporting Bush in iraq, dismissing polls, and not a word from you when Darth Cheney came out an said he didn't care what the public thought.continues to baffle me that you are so against a program that would help people here and yet supported a war over seas.

Did he lie, that is up to debate. However there is one thing that cannot be debated. Wars end, Social welfare programs do not. Even if Bush did lie about the war to go into Iraq, we can and will pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan at some point, just like Vietnam, Korea, etc. 70 years later we are still suffering through the least well thought out social program in this nations history, that being Social Security. We are now locked in a doomed spiral with that little gem that we literally cannot get away from.

Government run healthcare, of which this is the first step, is going to cost us trillions of dollars, force everyone to have insurance and is going to strip the private industry of any ability to function, forcing everyone to eventually take a government run option. Responses like your Riggs show that Democrats simply don't give a flying **** about the future of the country, you simply want revenge on what you percieve as Republican abuses over the last twenty five to thirty years.

[rastaman]

So why would they support this bill? It only adds strength to corporate healthcare ???

Low information voters who refuse to read about the positives of Public options. Why do protitutes love their pimps even though the pimp beats and exploit them? I say its laziness, non-critical thinking skills, and low self-esteem. The Republicans in the country has done a magnificant job in dumbing down America over the last 30 years.

I'd say that the voters who will except or ignore the ravages of what the Republican Corporate Healthcare has and will cause in their lives...simply enjoying getting pimped and exploited by the wealthy and the corporatist b/c one day they foolishly think they will one day join the ranks of the wealthy class.

[rastaman]

:rofl: This is my all time favorite spin. Basically Bush got a Republican elected to Ted Kennedy's seat.:thumbs:

Actually Scott is probably worse than a Republican. Did you see him pimping out his daughters during his victory celebration. Of course his daughters were par for the course with the short skirts they were wearing. But I digress. Scott Brown should enjoy his 2 years in office b/c in the 2012 mid-terms he won't be able to hold on to his seat and will loose to another Democrat.

[Rigs11]

Did he lie, that is up to debate. However there is one thing that cannot be debated. Wars end, Social welfare programs do not. Even if Bush did lie about the war to go into Iraq, we can and will pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan at some point, just like Vietnam, Korea, etc. 70 years later we are still suffering through the least well thought out social program in this nations history, that being Social Security. We are now locked in a doomed spiral with that little gem that we literally cannot get away from.

Government run healthcare, of which this is the first step, is going to cost us trillions of dollars, force everyone to have insurance and is going to strip the private industry of any ability to function, forcing everyone to eventually take a government run option. Responses like your Riggs show that Democrats simply don't give a flying **** about the future of the country, you simply want revenge on what you percieve as Republican abuses over the last twenty five to thirty years.hey genius, the iraq war has already cost us trillions of dollars.the cbo stated that this bill would actually reduce the deficit in the future that you so care about. you seem to forget that reagan tripled the deficit and dubya doubled it.so yeah i guess the repubs really are conservative...

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10710/hr3962Dingell_mgr_amendment_update.pdf

http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001395.htm

[barryr]

Oh no, looks like the poor liberals are bitter in defeat. Nothing new there.

[Rigs11]

actually the poor who can't get healthcare are the ones defeated. As usual the 'conservatives' around here can't stop cheerleading.

[Bronx33]

Actually Scott is probably worse than a Republican. Did you see him pimping out his daughters during his victory celebration. Of course his daughters were par for the course with the short skirts they were wearing. But I digress. Scott Brown should enjoy his 2 years in office b/c in the 2012 mid-terms he won't be able to hold on to his seat and will loose to another Democrat.



Ya i have notice alot of progressive dipsticks have been making a big deal out of nothing about that very subject and i see you are just crowing the same lame crap like it even means anything iam actually suprised you didn't diss his truck.

[Bronx33]

actually the poor who can't get healthcare are the ones defeated. As usual the 'conservatives' around here can't stop cheerleading.


1-Can you point out those people cheerleading about people that don't have health coverage?

[Requiem]

No health care reform is necessary. That way the system stays the same and the pace the Baby Boomers and false ideologues evaporate at increases.

[Bronx33]

Some health care reform is necessary ( just not obamas goverment ran version) which the people of Massachusetts stated last night loud and clear and 20% of those votes were democrates.

[cutthemdown]

All the house needs to do is agree to the senates version & it will go straight to the president to be signed.

Except that tons of house memeber lose election if they do that. The unions hate the tax on the health plans. Reconcilliation cant change that after because it would add to the cost by excluding the unions. The unions made that deal, now that deal is in trouble.

[cutthemdown]

So much for LABF theory of the repubs being done. I told you. The party in power gets about 18 months before all hell breaks loose. This is just the start. Things don't get better by the midterm elections and Obama will lose even more seats to repubs.

This is a bad first yr. Obama backtracked on more taxes, transparency, found out closing gitmo not easy, lobbyists in admin, public option to healthcare. Now he tried to compromise to pass any sort of healthcare reform and even that is in trouble.

This falls apart we are talking about total first yr failure.

[cutthemdown]

Reconciliation....Here we come! After all, if Reagan and the Bush's can use reconciliation to RAM down their agendas down the throats of Americans for 20 years----Why Obama can do the same thing.

The problem is reconcilliation might not work on the biggest sticking point. That's the tax on the caddy health plans the senate version contains. I read that it would be tough because the senate plan uses that to make the bill not add to budget. The tax cuts worked because you can almost always show what you will do will make revenue go up, therefore CBO gives you a negative impact on defecit.

But where will Congress be able to fudge the 150 billion over 10 yrs that tax creates? If they make a new tax to pay for it that would be a substantial change and therefore have to go back to senate right? I'm still trying to figure out how it all works but it might not be as easy as you think.

If they fail to get the changes they wanted through reconcilliation they would be stuck with the Senate bill, and that would kill dems in midterms.

remember the taxes start now, no real health change for yrs. It won't be a quick payoff IMO. Obama may have blown it going for healthcare so soon.

[Dukes]

dude...don't confuse him.

lol

[bpc]

Ya i have notice alot of progressive dipsticks have been making a big deal out of nothing about that very subject and i see you are just crowing the same lame crap like it even means anything iam actually suprised you didn't diss his truck.

Because, that's all progressives do. They hate. That's all they've brought brought to the table.

"I hate you because you had parents who loved you."

"I hate you because you worked your ass off to get an education."

"I hate you because you believe in a god, and salvation."

"I hate you because you have morals."

"I hate you because you pay your bills on time."

"I hate you because of your skin color."

"I hate you because you believe in the constitution."

"I hate you because you like your healthcare and have worked hard to attain it."

"I hate your truck which has 200k miles on it."

"I hate your daughters, particularly the one that was on the basketball team and American Idol."

etc, etc, etc.

They inflict hate on everybody because they cant' stand what they see when looking in the mirror. Sad existance, but that's the ways of these people.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Because, that's all progressives do. They hate. That's all they've brought brought to the table.

"I hate you because you had parents who loved you."

"I hate you because you worked your ass off to get an education."

"I hate you because you believe in a god, and salvation."

"I hate you because you have morals."

"I hate you because you pay your bills on time."

"I hate you because of your skin color."

"I hate you because you believe in the constitution."

"I hate you because you like your healthcare and have worked hard to attain it."

"I hate your truck which has 200k miles on it."

"I hate your daughters, particularly the one that was on the basketball team and American Idol."

etc, etc, etc.

They inflict hate on everybody because they cant' stand what they see when looking in the mirror. Sad existance, but that's the ways of these people.

Very sad, and you are right.

These people live in the most generous, most comfortable nation in the world and they are completely unhappy to the point that they want to turn it into a something completely different...something that isnt representative of what this country has ever been.

Its a relief that, of all places, Massachusetts decided that enough is enough and voted along Tea Party lines. Irony.

[Rigs11]

Very sad, and you are right.

These people live in the most generous, most comfortable nation in the world and they are completely unhappy to the point that they want to turn it into a something completely different...something that isnt representative of what this country has ever been.

Its a relief that, of all places, Massachusetts decided that enough is enough and voted along Tea Party lines. Irony.

better stop listening to beck. Where are you idiots coming up with this healthcare referendum crap? I swear it's like a bunch of idiotic parrots that just keep repeating crap.if anything the dems were more concerned with healthcare than the teabaggers.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Agreed. I'm not for more government subsidies, usually, however. But this would be the best option for getting people insured. Yes, unfortunately, it's just another form of welfare.....but subsidizing PRIVATE insurance is a hell of a lot better than having a government run healthcare system.....just a friggin nightmare.Uh, that's exactly what it is now, a nightmare (HMO's and all private health insurance enjoy total antitrust protection). You people need to educate yourselves, Geeezus!!!

[Spider]

LMAO .....you can tell the ones that have used healthcare in this country and the bedwetters who havent ..............I love it when stupid people try and act like they have a clue ..........

[cutthemdown]

nothing about this bill makes healthcare get better. Not like it does anything about training for doctors, hospitals not doing a good job etc etc.

What experience have you had in the medical arena that you feel this bill would eliminate. Besides people wetting the bed.

[55CrushEm]

Uh, that's exactly what it is now, a nightmare (HMO's and all private health insurance enjoy total antitrust protection). You people need to educate yourselves, Geeezus!!!

Perhaps you do. Government run healthcare is a nightmare, everywhere it is practiced. Most people don't want the government involved in their personal healthcare decisions. Did you just see what happened in Mass? That was one of the 2 top reasons for Coakley losing.

I know big government liberals want to take more control of private sector industries.....and the American people are flat out against it.

I've said it before.....no one denies that the health care industry needs some "reform".....but call Obama's plan what it actually is.....it's government-run healthcare....very few people want that.

[Dukes]

hey genius, the iraq war has already cost us trillions of dollars.the cbo stated that this bill would actually reduce the deficit in the future that you so care about. you seem to forget that reagan tripled the deficit and dubya doubled it.so yeah i guess the repubs really are conservative...

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10710/hr3962Dingell_mgr_amendment_update.pdf

http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001395.htm

Like a typical party man you believe everything they say.

[SoCalBronco]

Pelosi admitted today they do not have the votes in the House to pass the Senate bill, so they are either going to have to dramatically scale back the scope of what they're trying to do (i.e. only insurance reforms...exchanges, etc., rather than expansion of coverage) or start all over.

[Dukes]

Pelosi admitted today they do not have the votes in the House to pass the Senate bill, so they are either going to have to dramatically scale back the scope of what they're trying to do (i.e. only insurance reforms...exchanges, etc., rather than expansion of coverage) or start all over.

Excellent

[Bronx33]

Pelosi admitted today they do not have the votes in the House to pass the Senate bill, so they are either going to have to dramatically scale back the scope of what they're trying to do (i.e. only insurance reforms...exchanges, etc., rather than expansion of coverage) or start all over.


Word is she almost burst into flames.

[bpc]

Pelosi admitted today they do not have the votes in the House to pass the Senate bill, so they are either going to have to dramatically scale back the scope of what they're trying to do (i.e. only insurance reforms...exchanges, etc., rather than expansion of coverage) or start all over.

Great news.

[BroncoLifer]

It would be better news if she did burst into flames.

[Bronx33]

It would be better news if she did burst into flames.


That it would...

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/6995/pelosiclown.jpg

[cutthemdown]

Epic fail by the democrats. They just stink once in power because they try and do too much too fast. Only Billy Boy was smart enough to just go with the flow.

Obama has one term and done written all over him.