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montrose
01-18-2010, 11:23 PM
Just trying to get an idea.

Taco John
01-19-2010, 12:02 AM
I have backed the idea that we can't let a coach go after only one season (and that you have to give any coach three to implement his system), but Nolan wanting to bail is pretty concerning. All the whispers that came out about the locker room being divided suddenly ring a little truer. I don't know how we can attract the free agents that we need in order to get to the next step in this environment.

Gob
01-19-2010, 12:09 AM
I was pretty late on the bandwagon (lost a little faith after Oak, a ton after KC, and everything after Nolan). At some point though, you have to hold him accountable for what happens under his watch, he can't play victim forever.

spdirty
01-19-2010, 12:09 AM
Honestly, I didnt want him here in the first place. Wanted a coach who would work on fixing the defense and not ****ing with the offense. Spag or Ryan being my top 2. Did not want McD anywhere near here. And now here we are. And there the Jets are. Spag gets a couple mulligan years, for the complete **** he inherited.

TheReverend
01-19-2010, 12:12 AM
Honestly, I didnt want him here in the first place. Wanted a coach who would work on fixing the defense and not ****ing with the offense. Spag or Ryan being my top 2. Did not want McD anywhere near here. And now here we are. And there the Jets are. Spag gets a couple mulligan years, for the complete **** he inherited.

In hindsight, Ryan looks like one of the best head coaches in the NFL... along with a really disarming personality.

BossChief
01-19-2010, 12:15 AM
LOL

Even I though McD would be better than this.

Its like he didnt come along with Pioli because we wanted him to infiltrate the enemy and destroy it from within before he comes to KC as an overpaid QB coach after next year when the Broncos finish with 4 wins or so.

Should be interesting.

DukeWoody
01-19-2010, 12:21 AM
In hindsight, Ryan looks like one of the best head coaches in the NFL... along with a really disarming personality.

The shocker is why did it take Rex so long to become a HC ??...He sure would have looked great in orange and blue!!

HAT
01-19-2010, 12:21 AM
Hey Taco...Since you are around and this is a Poll thread....

I can see who voted for what in public polls before I vote, but once I vote I only see the results...Not the voters. Is that the norm or is there a setting I'm missing in user CP somewhere?

Kaylore
01-19-2010, 12:21 AM
McDaniels gets at least next year.

We played I think four teams two seasons ago that were playoff teams and most the remainder on our schedule were garbage and finished 8-8. This year we played 4 teams that weren't playoff teams and many we played in their house and almost won (Colts, Eagles) and we finished 8-8. I think that speaks volumes. '08's team would have finished no better than 5 wins this year. Especially with Slowik in command.

I'm still really pissed about losing to the Raiders. I'm upset that our scoring offense got worse and I'm upset we aren't using Royal and others as well as we might. While it's still early, his draft looks underwhelming at this point. And giving up a first round pick for Alphonso does not look like it's paying off even close to what he banked on.

I still support trading Cutler the int machine, and I still think firing Shanahan was the right choice. The question is was hiring McDaniels the wrong choice? I think it's early to say. He's had a lot to deal with and is a rookie so I think he gets a pass on some things. I was very impressed with his press conference at the end of the season when he owned up to things. The thing is we can't wait forever for this guy to "get it." I will allow him one more offseason of turnover. We should have an easier schedule and the players will be more comfortable in this system. If we improve significantly than he should stay. If we fold again at the end of the year he should be fired. I just want to see the team play well late in the year for a change.

TheReverend
01-19-2010, 12:23 AM
The shocker is why did it take Rex so long to become a HC ??...He sure would have looked great in orange and blue!!

So long?

He only spent 4 years as a DC dude... and he was interviewing for jobs 2 years ago when Sparano and Mike Smith got hired.

He's had a pretty remarkable rise this decade.

DBroncos4life
01-19-2010, 12:26 AM
Hey Taco...Since you are around and this is a Poll thread....

I can see who voted for what in public polls before I vote, but once I vote I only see the results...Not the voters. Is that the norm or is there a setting I'm missing in user CP somewhere?

Click the blue numbers and it will tell you who voted. I just figured that out a couple days ago :rofl:

Taco John
01-19-2010, 12:28 AM
Hey Taco...Since you are around and this is a Poll thread....

I can see who voted for what in public polls before I vote, but once I vote I only see the results...Not the voters. Is that the norm or is there a setting I'm missing in user CP somewhere?

That's a new one for me. I've never head that one before.

TheDave
01-19-2010, 12:36 AM
Is it just me or does he seem to always want to fix the side of the ball that isn't a problem?

Year 1 - Terrible defense, young talented offense... trade the QB

Year 2- Top 10 defense, underwhelming offense... part ways with the D Coordinator

I don't get it...

TheReverend
01-19-2010, 12:39 AM
Is it just me or does he seem to always want to fix the side of the ball that isn't a problem?

Year 1 - Terrible defense, young talented offense... trade the QB

Year 2- Top 10 defense, underwhelming offense... part ways with the D Coordinator

I don't get it...

Next year... look out special teams.

strafen
01-19-2010, 12:39 AM
I have backed the idea that we can't let a coach go after only one season (and that you have to give any coach three to implement his system), but Nolan wanting to bail is pretty concerning. All the whispers that came out about the locker room being divided suddenly ring a little truer. I don't know how we can attract the free agents that we need in order to get to the next step in this environment.

There's no trust in McDaniels.
This mistrust began the minute he got rid of Mike Leach and replaced him with his buddy Lonnie Paxton from New England.
That set the tone.

To have another DC for next year that can improve upon what Nolan did, will be a tall order, and a tough task for anyone.
Look for McDaniels to screw up the draft again. Look for him to try to get players to replace Marshall, Scheffler, Hillis...
The defense will be patched up again with one-year FA players.

I've never seen a football team go thru so much **** in just one year.
Players leaving, players being alienated, players being suspended for "behavior" issues, players meeting to rat out on other players, coaches not wanting to work for McDaniels, and the list goes on and on...
What scares me the most is that this is only the tip of the iceberg.
I can't wait to see what would transpire in the off-season, in the FA signing period, in the signing of our own players, in the draft.
Boy, oh boy. What a mess!!!

SureShot
01-19-2010, 12:40 AM
Is it just me or does he seem to always want to fix the side of the ball that isn't a problem?

Year 1 - Terrible defense, young talented offense... trade the QB

Year 2- Top 10 defense, underwhelming offense... part ways with the D Coordinator

I don't get it...

Just wait until the draft.

TheDave
01-19-2010, 12:41 AM
Next year... look out special teams.

Only if we have good special teams...

My fear is the all-screen offense will click this season and he will trade Clady. Due to philisophical differences of course.

Bronco LB52
01-19-2010, 12:41 AM
McDaniels is a douche and I have hated his guts from day one because he is Patsie scum, but I am willing to give him the length of his contract to show what he can do.

TheReverend
01-19-2010, 12:42 AM
McDaniels is a douche and I have hated his guts from day one because he is Patsie scum, but I am willing to give him the length of his contract to show what he can do.

"When you're balls deep, you might as well come"

TheDave
01-19-2010, 12:42 AM
Just wait until the draft.

Trade Marshall and draft a left tackle... ;D

SureShot
01-19-2010, 12:44 AM
Trade Marshall and draft a left tackle... ;D

Can you imagine if we draft Spiller at 10 or 11 now that would be fun.

TheDave
01-19-2010, 12:46 AM
Can you imagine if we draft Spiller at 10 or 11 now that would be fun.

Nothing would surprise me at this point...

TheReverend
01-19-2010, 12:47 AM
This deep you kinda have to stick it out another year to see if there's any method to the madness.

That being said, if I were Bowlen, I'd have McDaniels ****-canned and an offer to in to Nolan before his plane touched down in Miami.

SureShot
01-19-2010, 12:47 AM
What this team needs is a blocking TE. I hope we can get one.

Florida_Bronco
01-19-2010, 12:48 AM
Honestly, I didnt want him here in the first place. Wanted a coach who would work on fixing the defense and not ****ing with the offense. Spag or Ryan being my top 2. Did not want McD anywhere near here. And now here we are. And there the Jets are. Spag gets a couple mulligan years, for the complete **** he inherited.

You do realize that Spags would have cleaned house on everyone, including Bates, Turner and Dennison, right? You also realize it's extremely likely that not only would he have traded Cutler away after his little outburst, but Marshall and probably Scheffler would have been gone as well.

Atwater His Ass
01-19-2010, 12:48 AM
After he proved his incompetance with Cutler.

TheReverend
01-19-2010, 12:48 AM
What this team needs is a blocking TE. I hope we can get one.

I'm hoping for a fat, slow RB who knows the NE system.

Maybe a 5'4, or 36 yr old corner (preferably both)

Taco John
01-19-2010, 12:48 AM
I wonder this: Is Bowlen as baffled by this as the average Broncos fan? I wonder what he could possibly be thinking right about now.

DBroncos4life
01-19-2010, 12:49 AM
Is it just me or does he seem to always want to fix the side of the ball that isn't a problem?

Year 1 - Terrible defense, young talented offense... trade the QB

Year 2- Top 10 defense, underwhelming offense... part ways with the D Coordinator

I don't get it...

I hear this guy has been seen around Denver recently....

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It looks like Thunders days are numbered.

Popps
01-19-2010, 12:50 AM
After trading Cutler.

LOL

That's like being angry with someone for dumping water on you when you're on fire.

Florida_Bronco
01-19-2010, 12:51 AM
This deep you kinda have to stick it out another year to see if there's any method to the madness.

That being said, if I were Bowlen, I'd have McDaniels ****-canned and an offer to in to Nolan before his plane touched down in Miami.

I agree with your first sentence, but why in the world would you want Nolan as a HC? He's only a year removed from a very disappointing tenure in San Fransisco.

Florida_Bronco
01-19-2010, 12:52 AM
I wonder this: Is Bowlen as baffled by this as the average Broncos fan? I wonder what he could possibly be thinking right about now.

You think Bowlen didn't sign off on this move?

TheDave
01-19-2010, 12:52 AM
I hear this guy has been seen around Denver recently....

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It looks like Thunders days are numbered.

Maybe Thunder should keep his philisophical differences to himself...Hilarious!

TheReverend
01-19-2010, 12:52 AM
I agree with your first sentence, but why in the world would you want Nolan as a HC? He's only a year removed from a very disappointing tenure in San Fransisco.

Just wanted to remind you that you're the biggest ****** on the board and you're not allowed to address me directly.

Please direct your statements to a legitimate poster who will then screen them, and if deemed acceptable, he will pose the questions to me.

Florida_Bronco
01-19-2010, 12:53 AM
Just wanted to remind you that you're the biggest ****** on the board and you're not allowed to address me directly.

Please direct your statements to a legitimate poster who will then screen them, and if deemed acceptable, he will pose the questions to me.

Hilarious!

Guess you better put me on ignore then, big boy.

OBF1
01-19-2010, 12:53 AM
woohoo This offcially makes me one of Popps minions...... Do I get a membership card and learn the secret handshake???

OBF1
01-19-2010, 12:54 AM
Just wanted to remind you that you're the biggest ****** on the board and you're not allowed to address me directly.

Please direct your statements to a legitimate poster who will then screen them, and if deemed acceptable, he will pose the questions to me.

Did someone molest your lobster again :wiggle:

TheDave
01-19-2010, 12:55 AM
woohoo This offcially makes me one of Popps minions...... Do I get a membership card and learn the secret handshake???

Yes you do... unfortunately it's very similiar to the secret weapon in survivor.

TheReverend
01-19-2010, 12:56 AM
Did someone molest your lobster again :wiggle:

Nope. Just doing my civic duty for the day. How are you?

Popps
01-19-2010, 01:00 AM
Where is the "When Shanahan left, before McDaniels was hired" option?

WABronco
01-19-2010, 01:01 AM
I'd have to say the breaking point was when he cut Colquitt. F'ing r-tard

SureShot
01-19-2010, 01:03 AM
Where are the "when he cut Brett kern" or "when he refused to address the o and d lines" options?

watermock
01-19-2010, 01:17 AM
He's an idiot and I knew from day one.

TDmvp
01-19-2010, 01:20 AM
I wanted him gone right after his dad benched the starting Qb who was more talented than Josh for Josh on the high school team his father coached...

Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

OCBronco
01-19-2010, 01:24 AM
The problem is, at the time Bowlen had a choice among a number of unproven first time head coaches. (There was no way in hell he was going to shell out the coin for a proven guy like Holmgren, given the money he owed Shanahan.) You expect some growing pains with a first time head coach. So we'll see how much McDaniels can improve on his own performance in another year. I think he has a lot of potential, and can turn out to be very good, so I'm willing to give him a chance.

I wonder, though, why people don't point out more often that the other guy they looked at seriously was Leslie Frazier. (Again, given all the reports, who can say whether he was a finalist or just a guy they talked to?) Can you imagine? We get Frazier, who probably keeps Cutler. Then after a season, he brings Dungy on board as the GM. Now that's a hypothetical situation to get riled up about.

HAT
01-19-2010, 01:25 AM
Click the blue numbers and it will tell you who voted. I just figured that out a couple days ago :rofl:

:thanku:

http://twistedsifter.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/guinness-brilliant.jpg

24champ
01-19-2010, 01:32 AM
I don't want McDaniels fired anytime soon, he at least deserves a second season. I am sure McDaniels learned a lot in his first season, and will correct the mistakes he made for next season.

However, I am more concerned about Joe Ellis involvement with the Broncos football decisions, when he really has no business to influence Bowlen on the football side of things. It was Joe Ellis that nudged Bowlen along to can Shanahan. It was Joe Ellis that nudged Bowlen to trade Cutler. It was Joe Ellis that brought McDaniels to Denver. If anyone should be canned, it should be Ellis and replaced by John Elway who would be the new COO of the Broncos. Elway knows business and football.

Ultimately right now McDaniels is under the gun with an embarrassing collapse worse than his predecessor. The pressure is going to ramp up for him to produce a team that can get to the playoffs. It's been 5 years since our last playoff appearance, and now we're not even a month into our second offseason with McDaniels and it's looking like another one with turmoil since our DC resigned.

The unfortunate thing is we haven't gotten into the Marshall saga yet, which is sure to come just before the Draft.

DBroncos4life
01-19-2010, 01:37 AM
:thanku:

http://twistedsifter.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/guinness-brilliant.jpg

Was that not your problem? I never really cared till the other day when I asked who voted for what. Then it dawned on me what to do. LOL

HAT
01-19-2010, 01:40 AM
It was indeed. I've been using Vbulletin boards forever and I can't believe I never noticed that.

The 'mane needs a facepalm smiley!

DBroncos4life
01-19-2010, 01:43 AM
It was indeed. I've been using Vbulletin boards forever and I can't believe I never noticed that.

The 'mane needs a facepalm smiley!

That's how I felt. I figured it out after DHallblows made a comment about it.

bpc
01-19-2010, 01:54 AM
I don't want McDaniels fired anytime soon, he at least deserves a second season. I am sure McDaniels learned a lot in his first season, and will correct the mistakes he made for next season.

However, I am more concerned about Joe Ellis involvement with the Broncos football decisions, when he really has no business to influence Bowlen on the football side of things. It was Joe Ellis that nudged Bowlen along to can Shanahan. It was Joe Ellis that nudged Bowlen to trade Cutler. It was Joe Ellis that brought McDaniels to Denver. If anyone should be canned, it should be Ellis and replaced by John Elway who would be the new COO of the Broncos. Elway knows business and football.

Ultimately right now McDaniels is under the gun with an embarrassing collapse worse than his predecessor. The pressure is going to ramp up for him to produce a team that can get to the playoffs. It's been 5 years since our last playoff appearance, and now we're not even a month into our second offseason with McDaniels and it's looking like another one with turmoil since our DC resigned.

The unfortunate thing is we haven't gotten into the Marshall saga yet, which is sure to come just before the Draft.

Joe ****ING Ellis.... couldn't agree more. The guy has been corrupting people for ages!

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Atwater His Ass
01-19-2010, 01:57 AM
I wonder this: Is Bowlen as baffled by this as the average Broncos fan? I wonder what he could possibly be thinking right about now.

million dollar question right there. I've been thinking about this one a lot today.

I can understand why he decided he hard to part with Mike. I get that. But I wonder if he looks at all that has transpired since then and feels like his hands are tied at the moment.

Like it or not, Bowlen is in this 100% with McD. How would it look if he canned him now? He'd have lost a HoF HC in Shanahan, a future franchise QB, possibly Marshall, and the one unit that showed any signs of life apparantly gutted by the jettison of a very successful DC.

Bottoms up!

bpc
01-19-2010, 01:59 AM
Count is 20 people want McD to walk, 15 want him to stay. I would probably assume that's an accurate breakdown of Bronco nation.

I'm ready to start clean. I can only hope that Bowlen and Nolan were boyz and McD went behind his back to fire him. I'm dreaming of course.

Atwater His Ass
01-19-2010, 02:01 AM
Count is 20 people want McD to walk, 15 want him to stay. I would probably assume that's an accurate breakdown of Bronco nation.

I'm ready to start clean. I can only hope that Bowlen and Nolan were boyz and McD went behind his back to fire him. I'm dreaming of course.

lol, wouldn't that be something?

Taco John
01-19-2010, 02:02 AM
Belichick went 5-11 his first year. His second year he went 11-5 and won a Superbowl.
Belichick went 5-11 his first year. His second year he went 11-5 and won a Superbowl.
Belichick went 5-11 his first year. His second year he went 11-5 and won a Superbowl.
Belichick went 5-11 his first year. His second year he went 11-5 and won a Superbowl.
Belichick went 5-11 his first year. His second year he went 11-5 and won a Superbowl.
Belichick went 5-11 his first year. His second year he went 11-5 and won a Superbowl.
Belichick went 5-11 his first year. His second year he went 11-5 and won a Superbowl.
Belichick went 5-11 his first year. His second year he went 11-5 and won a Superbowl.

Just keep telling myself that.

yerner
01-19-2010, 02:02 AM
I like to bash Mcd but I'm not really worried about this change. If anything he may get someone he knows better and will work with more cohesively. In a strange way it might help as there are lots of good coaches available and might gel better with Josh. That said, I wouldn't have minded seeing Nolan stay and Mcd go.

Taco John
01-19-2010, 02:04 AM
Count is 20 people want McD to walk, 15 want him to stay. I would probably assume that's an accurate breakdown of Bronco nation.

I'm ready to start clean. I can only hope that Bowlen and Nolan were boyz and McD went behind his back to fire him. I'm dreaming of course.

Don't forget those of us in the middle who don't know what to think and aren't neatly characterized by these options. Not that I would cry if Bowlen fired Josh and Hired Nolan. Just that I'm not positive adding more disruption to this situation is the right answer now.

watermock
01-19-2010, 02:11 AM
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I'm tired of this crap!

watermock
01-19-2010, 02:17 AM
Noone remembers this era.

I lived it.

The government is closing around you...

Florida_Bronco
01-19-2010, 02:18 AM
Not that I would cry if Bowlen fired Josh and fired Nolan.

You also wanted to give Slowik another year.

The Joker
01-19-2010, 02:19 AM
Don't forget those of us in the middle who don't know what to think and aren't neatly characterized by these options. Not that I would cry if Bowlen fired Josh and Hired Nolan. Just that I'm not positive adding more disruption to this situation is the right answer now.

I'm pretty much where you are, or near to it.

This latest development is very disappointing to me, I was really looking forward to seeing what the defense would look like this year with a year under its belt and some fresh talent added through FA and the draft. I was confident we'd field a good next year, now it's up in the air again.

That said, I don't think you give up on McDaniels just yet. He has made some mistakes this year, but I saw some things from him I really liked too. My guess is that this Nolan business is mostly due to Parcells getting in his ear at some point, which can be hard to prevent. All the same, it's disappointing.

I'm not sure where the idea that getting rid of McDaniels and promoting Nolan to HC would be anything other than insane comes from though. Nolan sucked massively as a HC in San Fran. The big job is a whole other ballpark from being a co-ordinator.

bpc
01-19-2010, 02:19 AM
Don't forget those of us in the middle who don't know what to think and aren't neatly characterized by these options. Not that I would cry if Bowlen fired Josh and Hired Nolan. Just that I'm not positive adding more disruption to this situation is the right answer now.

I can understand your feeling and respect that.

Personally, there has been so much upheaval, the roster doesn't look any better this year than it did last season. In fact, many would argue it looks MUCH worse.

Denver needs helps all over the field, more importantly, Denver needs to get away from the stigma little Napolean has provided, and get somebody in town that has a clear cut vision of what he wants to do, and knows how to do it. We can't have McD blowing future draft picks and then coming back saying he wasn't prepared for the draft so we should expect MUCH better results this year. That isn't exactly something which builds confidence in the fan base.

We'll see. I used to try and believe what the future could hold. Now I just don't see how this could possibly work and McDaniels irritates or annoys everybody he comes into contact with. I imagine that will eventually sour him and Bowlen's relationship. Sooner the better.

Taco John
01-19-2010, 02:20 AM
You also wanted to give Slowik another year.

Indeed. And for the same reason that I have favored giving Josh another year. I believe you have to give a coach you hire the time needed to install his system. I was in favor of more continuity and stability, not less of it.

watermock
01-19-2010, 02:21 AM
I had a 69 lemans 400 that I banged up that won at Jackson. Mn.

DBroncos4life
01-19-2010, 02:23 AM
You also wanted to give Slowik another year.

Thank god that didn't happen so we are not having to find another DC in 2010 wait never mind we are looking for another DC.

Atwater His Ass
01-19-2010, 02:42 AM
The difference with McD vs. Shanahan is that I felt every year under Shanahan we had a chance to win the SB. I believed. I don't feel this way with McD at all. I don't think he'll ever win anything in Denver, which means we are just treading water as long as he is here.

It's the first time I've never been able to catch the excitement I normally feel at the prospect of Denver Bronco football.

Atwater His Ass
01-19-2010, 02:44 AM
Thank god that didn't happen so we are not having to find another DC in 2010 wait never mind we are looking for another DC.

roflcopter

Drek
01-19-2010, 04:53 AM
Honestly, I didnt want him here in the first place. Wanted a coach who would work on fixing the defense and not ****ing with the offense. Spag or Ryan being my top 2. Did not want McD anywhere near here. And now here we are. And there the Jets are. Spag gets a couple mulligan years, for the complete **** he inherited.

Too bad Ryan wouldn't have come with Mike Tanenbaum, the five borderline pro-bowlers on their offensive line, and a defense that had been running a 3-4 for three seasons already complete with talents like Darrell Revis, David Harris, etc..

Ryan stepped into a position where he had a stacked deck in his favor and a quality GM making all the personnel decisions. Said GM managed to talk a good OC (Brian Schottenheimer) into staying as well. All Ryan needed to do was lead the locker room and get more out of the defense than Mangini was capable of.

watermock
01-19-2010, 05:05 AM
wtf?

You mean Bowlen couln't dictate to Joshie?

I'll call it.

SoDak Bronco
01-19-2010, 05:13 AM
I can understand your feeling and respect that.

Personally, there has been so much upheaval, the roster doesn't look any better this year than it did last season. In fact, many would argue it looks MUCH worse.

Denver needs helps all over the field, more importantly, Denver needs to get away from the stigma little Napolean has provided, and get somebody in town that has a clear cut vision of what he wants to do, and knows how to do it. We can't have McD blowing future draft picks and then coming back saying he wasn't prepared for the draft so we should expect MUCH better results this year. That isn't exactly something which builds confidence in the fan base.

We'll see. I used to try and believe what the future could hold. Now I just don't see how this could possibly work and McDaniels irritates or annoys everybody he comes into contact with. I imagine that will eventually sour him and Bowlen's relationship. Sooner the better.


Hilarious!

Do you realize how many players from Shanny's Roster on Offense and Defense aren't even in the league? It is really unbelievable how many starters we had that are completely out of the league and didn't even get a sniff this season. Obviously the departure of Nolan is a bit concerning. We need to let MCd utltize his draft this season/FA and see how the season goes. I don't think the organization or coaches thought we would have much of a season last year, this year if we make the playoffs will that be enough for all you blood thirsty MCD haters?

watermock
01-19-2010, 05:18 AM
How many on offense?

SoDak Bronco
01-19-2010, 05:30 AM
Nate Jackson, Ryan Torrain, Selvin Young, Michael Pittman, Andre Hall...more impact/starters were obviously on defense. but all these guys were taking up rosters spots and didn't help much on special teams either.

watermock
01-19-2010, 05:34 AM
4 on IR., 7 actually.

How is that taking up roster spots dumbass>?

watermock
01-19-2010, 05:39 AM
We ran a 5-2- 4- 4- 3- 5

Get a clue.

SoDak Bronco
01-19-2010, 05:47 AM
Well they made the 53 man roster, so they took up a roster spot. And if you really want to see how Shanny evaluated talent, look at the defensive players.
Marlon McCree -starting Safety, Nate Webster- starting MLB, Boss Bailey -starting OLB, Calvin Lowry-S, Marquand Manuel-S, Dewayne Roberston-starting DT, are just a few that I can think of. I am sure I am missing more. Not to mention the great FA pick up Niko freakin kitovidas.

WolfpackGuy
01-19-2010, 05:52 AM
We can't have McD blowing future draft picks and then coming back saying he wasn't prepared for the draft so we should expect MUCH better results this year. That isn't exactly something which builds confidence in the fan base.

You mean you can't scout for a draft in a month or whatever it was?

LOL

Broncomutt
01-19-2010, 06:05 AM
Don't forget those of us in the middle who don't know what to think and aren't neatly characterized by these options. Not that I would cry if Bowlen fired Josh and Hired Nolan. Just that I'm not positive adding more disruption to this situation is the right answer now.

I'm with you on this.

strafen
01-19-2010, 06:40 AM
You mean you can't scout for a draft in a month or whatever it was?

LOL

You mean he didn't know about Orakpo, Maualuga, Raji, Clay Matthews, but knew about Moreno?
You mean like defense was our most pressing need and he goes and grabs a running back with our 12th pick? :rofl:

You mean he needed to scout some more to screw that bad?

Tom A Hawk
01-19-2010, 06:47 AM
what a bunch of flip floppers.....when the team was 6-0 you were all about how great he was.

jhns
01-19-2010, 06:55 AM
I didn't mind the hire. I wanted him or Spags when we got rid of Mike. I wanted him fired the second I heard he was fighting with Cutler. I have even said so since that time. This guy has no idea how to deal with players and that is hurting this team. Now it looks like his coaches don't even care to work with him anymore.

Oh well, I'm sure he will get us some SBs with no QB and no defense.

SoDak Bronco
01-19-2010, 07:08 AM
I didn't mind the hire. I wanted him or Spags when we got rid of Mike. I wanted him fired the second I heard he was fighting with Cutler. I have even said so since that time. This guy has no idea how to deal with players and that is hurting this team. Now it looks like his coaches don't even care to work with him anymore.

Oh well, I'm sure he will get us some SBs with no QB and no defense.

Yeah are defense really was shut down..did you see that Chiefs game?

strafen
01-19-2010, 07:09 AM
what a bunch of flip floppers.....when the team was 6-0 you were all about how great he was.

The same coach that had us at 6-0 got praises, and the same coach responsible for this epic **** up, gets to be roasted.
Sounds fair to me, no?
The guy is clearly driving this franchise into the ground, and nobody can stop him.
Do I need to put my orange-colored glasses to ignore this fact?
If this doesn't piss you off, then keep rooting for McDaniels to stay...

Everybody looks at McDaniels like he's the second coming of Shanahan. An offensive guru who is going to become the next Lombardi
Keep dreaming, while our team becomes the laughing stock of the league. It's been the laughing stock of the NFL for a year, and going strong!

strafen
01-19-2010, 07:12 AM
Yeah are defense really was shut down..did you see that Chiefs game?Give me a freaking break. We beat the chiefs earlier. The chiefs made adjustment how to "stop" our powerful offense and how to attack our defense
That's coaching. We were the same team when we were 6-0 as when we went 2-8
We've got out coached!

Questions?

jhns
01-19-2010, 07:15 AM
Yeah are defense really was shut down..did you see that Chiefs game?

That defense was built from what was the worst ever Bronco defense the year before. Are you serious with this? I just finished watching Nebraskas defense get turned around from the worst ever to one of the best in the country in just a couple of years. That was because we brought in a great defensive coach. That first year, his defense was much improved but still collapsed down the stretch. Soon after, guys like Suh are the best in the country(was unheard of for 2 years under the old coach) and the defense could match up with anyone.

Nolan was the only reason I stopped calling for McDaniels job. He was part of McDs staff so I gave McD credit. Now we have lost our great D coordinator and still have a coach that can't deal with players. I'm sure great times are ahead.

TheDave
01-19-2010, 07:18 AM
All joking aside, I don't want him gone... I think that would be even worse for the team in the short term. He gets next season, but he better prove there is a method to his constant madness.

Meck77
01-19-2010, 07:32 AM
what a bunch of flip floppers.....when the team was 6-0 you were all about how great he was.

Sadly the chief fan nails it. Luckily Bowlen doesn't have the psycsoprenic mentality being displayed on this thread.

Popcorn Sutton
01-19-2010, 08:05 AM
McDaniels gets at least next year.

We played I think four teams two seasons ago that were playoff teams and most the remainder on our schedule were garbage and finished 8-8. This year we played 4 teams that weren't playoff teams and many we played in their house and almost won (Colts, Eagles) and we finished 8-8. I think that speaks volumes. '08's team would have finished no better than 5 wins this year. Especially with Slowik in command.

I'm still really pissed about losing to the Raiders. I'm upset that our scoring offense got worse and I'm upset we aren't using Royal and others as well as we might. While it's still early, his draft looks underwhelming at this point. And giving up a first round pick for Alphonso does not look like it's paying off even close to what he banked on.

I still support trading Cutler the int machine, and I still think firing Shanahan was the right choice. The question is was hiring McDaniels the wrong choice? I think it's early to say. He's had a lot to deal with and is a rookie so I think he gets a pass on some things. I was very impressed with his press conference at the end of the season when he owned up to things. The thing is we can't wait forever for this guy to "get it." I will allow him one more offseason of turnover. We should have an easier schedule and the players will be more comfortable in this system. If we improve significantly than he should stay. If we fold again at the end of the year he should be fired. I just want to see the team play well late in the year for a change.

I agree with all of this.

Rohirrim
01-19-2010, 08:09 AM
Once he brought back the Mighty McChesney, I knew we were on the right track.



BTW, if he drafts Clausen, I'm going to lead the torch wielding mobs to his house. ;D

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 08:09 AM
There's no trust in McDaniels.
This mistrust began the minute he got rid of Mike Leach and replaced him with his buddy Lonnie Paxton from New England.
That set the tone.

To have another DC for next year that can improve upon what Nolan did, will be a tall order, and a tough task for anyone.
Look for McDaniels to screw up the draft again. Look for him to try to get players to replace Marshall, Scheffler, Hillis...
The defense will be patched up again with one-year FA players.

I've never seen a football team go thru so much **** in just one year.
Players leaving, players being alienated, players being suspended for "behavior" issues, players meeting to rat out on other players, coaches not wanting to work for McDaniels, and the list goes on and on...
What scares me the most is that this is only the tip of the iceberg.
I can't wait to see what would transpire in the off-season, in the FA signing period, in the signing of our own players, in the draft.
Boy, oh boy. What a mess!!!

Thank god we have Peyton Hillis here to tell us how everything goes down from inside the locker room.

/rolleyes

Popcorn Sutton
01-19-2010, 08:10 AM
Hilarious!

Do you realize how many players from Shanny's Roster on Offense and Defense aren't even in the league? It is really unbelievable how many starters we had that are completely out of the league and didn't even get a sniff this season. Obviously the departure of Nolan is a bit concerning. We need to let MCd utltize his draft this season/FA and see how the season goes. I don't think the organization or coaches thought we would have much of a season last year, this year if we make the playoffs will that be enough for all you blood thirsty MCD haters?

Well, things are looking up for them. They'll probably land in Washington next season. ^5

Popcorn Sutton
01-19-2010, 08:13 AM
The same coach that had us at 6-0 got praises, and the same coach responsible for this epic **** up, gets to be roasted.
Sounds fair to me, no?
The guy is clearly driving this franchise into the ground, and nobody can stop him.
Do I need to put my orange-colored glasses to ignore this fact?
If this doesn't piss you off, then keep rooting for McDaniels to stay...

Everybody looks at McDaniels like he's the second coming of Shanahan. An offensive guru who is going to become the next Lombardi
Keep dreaming, while our team becomes the laughing stock of the league. It's been the laughing stock of the NFL for a year, and going strong!

Not everybody. Why fire Shanahan for the second coming of Shanahan? He has a completely different system and way of doing things than Shanahan does... not sure where you come up with this stuff.

Gob
01-19-2010, 08:28 AM
Sadly the chief fan nails it. Luckily Bowlen doesn't have the psycsoprenic mentality being displayed on this thread.

Hmmm....
Didn't McDaniels tell us to judge him by if he wins this season? Didn't he also say around week 6 that they hadn't accomplished anything yet?
Is this team so bad that we have to judge coaches by moral victories rather then real ones?

TheDave
01-19-2010, 08:32 AM
Hmmm....
Didn't McDaniels tell us to judge him by if he wins this season? Didn't he also say around week 6 that they hadn't accomplished anything yet?
Is this team so bad that we have to judge coaches by moral victories rather then real ones?

Meck is the king of the Superfans... These days his only real opinion is that he is a better fan than you are. :~ohyah!:

bendog
01-19-2010, 08:41 AM
Well, I didn't want to see a bus hit him and drag him fifty feet leaving him like Anakin at the close of the prequel till now.

Meck77
01-19-2010, 08:41 AM
Honestly I could give a rats ass who is a fan around here. I wasted enough time debating Atlas and we know how that turned out. lol

I just don't see the point of freaking out in January. It was bad enough many of you were ready to kill yourselves in July of last year. Speaking of flip flopping. I seem to recall you starting a crow eating thread about McD. By definition wouldn't that make you "flip flopper?".

Gob as far as judging McD by his win record. He's right on par with where the Mastermind left us year after year.

I certainly agree that some consistency at D coordinator would be nice for a change but it's been a revolving door for YEARS under shanny as it was. Nothing new there. Besides I'm a firm believer you have to be on the same page as your co-workers regardless of how talented someone may be. Synergy is key and I'm willing to see if it can be achieved with Pees.

Merlin
01-19-2010, 08:41 AM
I think we are stuck with him at least one more yr, but I think a serious leash needs to be used with him. Bring in someone with a record drafting (If Goodman is around bring him in and give him the power he wants), the same person also controls what happens with personnel. McD only gets to dictate the offense and work with the team (he does not get to trade or pick players, and he does not get to impose his ego on all facets of the game). McD is a coach, and nothing else. Hopefully by containing the tentacles of his ego his focus will shift to the offense and Denver will get what it hoped with McD.

SureShot
01-19-2010, 08:47 AM
All joking aside, I don't want him gone... I think that would be even worse for the team in the short term. He gets next season, but he better prove there is a method to his constant madness.

This

TheDave
01-19-2010, 08:50 AM
I just don't see the point of freaking out in January. It was bad enough most of you were ready to kill yourselves in July of last year. Speaking of flip flopping. I seem to recall you starting a crow eating thread about McD. By definition wouldn't that make you "flip flopper?".



Yeah... See when the team was 6-0 I admitted they were better than I could have ever imagined. Then they proceeded to become worse than I ever thought possible going 2-8.

The teams performance "Flip-Flopped"... therefore so did my opinion of said performance.

It's not that complicated.

Merlin
01-19-2010, 08:51 AM
Speaking of flip flopping. I seem to recall you starting a crow eating thread about McDs. By definition wouldn't that make you "flip flopper?"
Actually no, it merely demonstrates that your decisions are not ego driven and held against all facts. It shows you have the maturity to evaluate events and recognize where you were wrong and right. The haters that were willing to eat crow showed they are not blindly following an ideology or an individual.

Conversely, the McD lovers who will contort logic to unbelievable degrees to justify most if not all his mistakes show an incredible aptitude for blindness driven either by an inability to recognize a mistake, ego, incompetence, ignorance, or just blind allegiance.
Personally, I would rather fall in the prior category...the latter can lead to the formation of too many expressions of tyranny.

Gob
01-19-2010, 08:52 AM
Honestly I could give a rats ass who is a fan around here. I wasted enough time debating Atlas and we know how that turned out. lol

I just don't see the point of freaking out in January. It was bad enough most of you were ready to kill yourselves in July of last year. Speaking of flip flopping. I seem to recall you starting a crow eating thread about McD. By definition wouldn't that make you "flip flopper?".

Gob as far as judging McD by his win record. He's right on par with where the Mastermind left us year after year.

I'm willing to give the kid another year.

That's true, and maybe this coming year will be a big improvement where all the changes pay off rather then just looking like change for changes sake. But as far as actual performance so far, his first year looks just like the years Shanny had that got him fired to me.

Mr.Meanie
01-19-2010, 08:56 AM
lol... BPC just decided yesterday he wanted McD gone? Yeah right

Meck77
01-19-2010, 09:03 AM
It's not that complicated.

No it really isn't. Thanks for making my point.

Ramble on how you see fit brother. ^5

Gob
01-19-2010, 09:27 AM
Well so far McDaniels is mentally fired by about 20 posters every 6 months, so I guess he has a good fun-filled year left before he loses everyone. I am pretty curious what it is that ends Moose's support down the line. It would have to be pretty impressive I think...something involving opening the gates of hell maybe....

bowtown
01-19-2010, 09:40 AM
Well I didn't want McDaniels when he was hired, I wanted Shanahan, and after that I wanted Spags. But now that we have him, I'll continue to give him the benefit of the doubt until his 3rd season is up. I think any coach should be given that much time to prove their worth. So far, he's not doing a totally bang up job, but hopefully he's learning, and the first 6 games of the season give me reason for some optimism still.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 09:46 AM
Well so far McDaniels is mentally fired by about 20 posters every 6 months, so I guess he has a good fun-filled year left before he loses everyone. I am pretty curious what it is that ends Moose's support down the line. It would have to be pretty impressive I think...something involving opening the gates of hell maybe....

What are you warbling about?

Nothing? Got it.

Tombstone RJ
01-19-2010, 09:52 AM
It's too bad about Nolan leaving but I looks like McD and Nolan parted ways on good terms. They are both smart enough to know that chemistry between the coaches is paramount to winning. McD has a certain way of doing things defensively and it's best if the DC operates with the same philosophy as McD.

Again, I think the defenses turn around is more of a POOR reflection on Shanny than a good reflection on Nolan and McD.

Shanny, for whatever reason, just couldn't get it done. In steps McD and Nolan and BAM! a respectable defense emerges.

jhns
01-19-2010, 09:56 AM
Shanny, for whatever reason, just couldn't get it done. In steps McD and Nolan and BAM! a respectable defense emerges.

Yeah, Nolan has nothing to do with that.... Riiiiight.

In steps McDaniels and BAM! The offense regresses, his players don't want to play for him, and his hand picked staff doesn't want to work with him. Now when the defense regresses, we will see what McD is all about. We will see that as he packs his bags next offseason and is shown the door.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 09:56 AM
Yeah, Nolan has nothing to do with that.... Riiiiight.

In steps McDaniels and BAM! The offense regresses, his players don't want to play for him, and his hand picked staff doesn't want to work with him. Now when the defense regresses, we will see what McD is all about. We will see that as he packs his bags next offseason and is shown the door.

BAM! Another fiction post from jhns! BAM!

PRBronco
01-19-2010, 09:57 AM
Technically right after we hired him, because I really didn't want him, I wanted Spags. But, I've warmed up to the hiring. No point pissing and moaning over something I have no control over, and it could certainly be worse.

Besides, being bitter and angry on a message board just leaves you alone and deathly allergic to peanut butter.

bowtown
01-19-2010, 10:00 AM
Technically right after we hired him, because I really didn't want him, I wanted Spags. But, I've warmed up to the hiring. No point pissing and moaning over something I have no control over, and it could certainly be worse.

Besides, being bitter and angry on a message board just leaves you alone and deathly allergic to peanut butter.

Good point... jhns, rasta, BF7, dragqueen69, and Mock could make me want to support Hitler just to spite them.

jhns
01-19-2010, 10:00 AM
BAM! Another fiction post from jhns! BAM!

Bam! Another blind person that thinks cancer is a good thing.

So, explain to me how he hasn't had players not wanting to play for him. Explain to me how Nolan wants to coach for him. Is it that Nolan wasn't doing a great job and was doing so bad that he needed fired? This should be interesting.

strafen
01-19-2010, 10:00 AM
BAM! Another fiction post from jhns! BAM!

What?
What is it you don't agree with what jhns said?
Seems pretty cut and dry. Nothing fancy. Straight to the point and very true.
Nothing fiction about it. You however wished it was fiction, but it's not, is it? ;)

Tombstone RJ
01-19-2010, 10:04 AM
Yeah, Nolan has nothing to do with that.... Riiiiight.

In steps McDaniels and BAM! The offense regresses, his players don't want to play for him, and his hand picked staff doesn't want to work with him. Now when the defense regresses, we will see what McD is all about. We will see that as he packs his bags next offseason and is shown the door.

Never said Nolan has nothing to do with it. I said that the defenses turnaround is more a reflection of how bad Shanahan was when it came to putting together a respectable defense, than how good McD and Nolan are at putting together a respectable defense.

Again, Shanahan just couldn't get it done on defense and it's sad. I've said from the beginning that it's easier to put together a good defense than it is to put together a good offense and Shanny always had a good offense.

jhns
01-19-2010, 10:14 AM
Never said Nolan has nothing to do with it. I said that the defenses turnaround is more a reflection of how bad Shanahan was when it came to putting together a respectable defense, than how good McD and Nolan are at putting together a respectable defense.

Again, Shanahan just couldn't get it done on defense and it's sad. I've said from the beginning that it's easier to put together a good defense than it is to put together a good offense and Shanny always had a good offense.

I agree Shanahan couldn't build a defense and his was horrible. I think Nolan had us on track to be a great defense. He is the only reason I stopped wanting McDaniels fired. He is the reason we went 6-0. I do not get why you wouldn't let him keep control of the defense while it is improving. If it didn't improve and take another big step this year, then step in.

I don't get why people actually are defending McDaniels trying to control every part of the team while still wanting to game plan and call plays on offense. In what world has this ever worked for any team? Even Shanahan didn't try doing it all like this.

bendog
01-19-2010, 10:14 AM
I said shanahan's failing was he couldn't bring in a DC who had HC aspirations and a resume and just give up control. Instead the closest we got was Ray Rhodes, and Shanny tried to give him a defensive end pass ruch with Pryce, but .... it didn't work out. Welllll...... so much for Mike Nolan.

Compare and contrast Sean Payton with Greg Williamson in Nola. Payton even paid the guy out of his own pocket.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 10:27 AM
Good point... jhns, rasta, BF7, dragqueen69, and Mock could make me want to support Hitler just to spite them.

No, you're confused. Bf7 LOVES him some Hitler.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 10:28 AM
What?
What is it you don't agree with what jhns said?
Seems pretty cut and dry. Nothing fancy. Straight to the point and very true.
Nothing fiction about it. You however wished it was fiction, but it's not, is it? ;)

Unless you and he are actually within the locker room, everything you bring up about "players not wanting to play for him" and his coaches "not wanting to coach for him" is pure fiction. Nothing but.

jhns
01-19-2010, 10:34 AM
Unless you and he are actually within the locker room, everything you bring up about "players not wanting to play for him" and his coaches "not wanting to coach for him" is pure fiction. Nothing but.

LOL

Nolan left because he wanted to coach with McDaniels.

Sheffler was benched because he was excited to play for McDaniels.

Marshall was benched twice for showing great effort and for really wanting to play for McDaniels.

Cutler is gone because he publicly stated he wants to play for McDaniels and was excited for the chance he is getting.

Riiiight.....

ScottXray
01-19-2010, 10:35 AM
Nolan leaving is somewhat disapppointing but cohesiveness on the team has to start with the coaching staff. Coaches pulling in different directions hardly ever results in things going well on hte field. So if Pees comes in and runs the D the way McD wants then MAYBE it isn't a bad thing necessarily.

And Nolan replacing McD is something that was NEVER going to happen...based on his SF stint as HC there.

I have supported McD , and will continue to do so next year. You simply cannot change coaches without giving him a legitimate shot (like Al Davis) , and that takes usually 3 years at a minimum. But if the team regresses next year even further it will be hard to continue supporting him AFTER that. Notice that this means after the season.....not after 1 or two home losses that should not happen (KC, Oakland...which Shanahan also managed to lose to, regularly, the last few years).

Bowlen is still on the hook to Shanahan for the next 2 years. Probably McD gets the full 3 years. After that all bets are off if the team is still meandering in the valley of .500.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 10:41 AM
LOL

Nolan left because he wanted to coach with McDaniels.

Sheffler was benched because he was excited to play for McDaniels.

Marshall was benched twice for showing great effort and for really wanting to play for McDaniels.

Cutler is gone because he publicly stated he wants to play for McDaniels and was excited for the chance he is getting.

Riiiight.....

Nolan left. We don't know the reasons. I'm guessing he'll be an Assoc. Head Coach in Miami. That's a PROMOTION. You've clearly never received one.

Scheffler was benched because he bitched about the season not being over because he'd rather be spankin' his pud on his couch than playing football. Also, he dropped several key balls against Philly, showing that he already thought the season WAS over.

Marshall was benched for being late to his treatment session, saying he didn't know if he could play, even though x-rays showed nothing wrong with his hammy. With the captains preaching accountability, McDaniels made an accountable move.

Cutler is gone because he refused to call the owner back, refused to meet with McDaniels man to man without his agent present, and was mad that the guy coddling him was fired.

But sure. Yours makes sense too.

I'll dust off this brilliant argument: "Riiight."

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 10:42 AM
Bowlen is still on the hook to Shanahan for the next 2 years.

I'm pretty sure that's not the case since Shanahan is back as a head coach...

SureShot
01-19-2010, 10:44 AM
I'm pretty sure that's not the case since Shanahan is back as a head coach...

Bowlen will be paying half of Shanny's 7mill salary for the next two years.

Rohirrim
01-19-2010, 10:44 AM
Nolan left. We don't know the reasons. I'm guessing he'll be an Assoc. Head Coach in Miami. That's a PROMOTION. You've clearly never received one.

Scheffler was benched because he b****ed about the season not being over because he'd rather be spankin' his pud on his couch than playing football. Also, he dropped several key balls against Philly, showing that he already thought the season WAS over.

Marshall was benched for being late to his treatment session, saying he didn't know if he could play, even though x-rays showed nothing wrong with his hammy. With the captains preaching accountability, McDaniels made an accountable move.

Cutler is gone because he refused to call the owner back, refused to meet with McDaniels man to man without his agent present, and was mad that the guy coddling him was fired.

But sure. Yours makes sense too.

I'll dust off this brilliant argument: "Riiight."

And had his daddy turn in his playbook, don't forget. ;D

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 10:45 AM
Bowlen will be paying half of Shanny's 7mill salary for the next two years.

Do you have a link or something? I was pretty sure that if Shan got a head job elsewhere, he no longer received anything from the Broncos.

Popcorn Sutton
01-19-2010, 10:48 AM
Do you have a link or something? I was pretty sure that if Shan got a head job elsewhere, he no longer received anything from the Broncos.

According to the DP when Shanny was hired, the Broncos would still pay half of his salary over the next 2 seasons.

SureShot
01-19-2010, 10:48 AM
Do you have a link or something? I was pretty sure that if Shan got a head job elsewhere, he no longer received anything from the Broncos.

"He was fired a year ago after Denver missed the playoffs for the third straight season. He had three years left on his contract, and the deal with the Redskins calls for the Broncos to pay about $3.5 million of his salary in 2010 and 2011."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12751636/snyder-sits-back-as-shanahan-introduced-as-new-skins-coach-vp

TheDave
01-19-2010, 10:49 AM
Do you have a link or something? I was pretty sure that if Shan got a head job elsewhere, he no longer received anything from the Broncos.


Wrong again...

http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/1/5/1235962/mike-shanahan-reaches-deal-to
Pat Bowlen and the Broncos will be responsible for half of Shanahan's salary, or $3.5 million each of the next two seasons

jhns
01-19-2010, 10:50 AM
Nolan left. We don't know the reasons. I'm guessing he'll be an Assoc. Head Coach in Miami. That's a PROMOTION. You've clearly never received one.

Scheffler was benched because he b****ed about the season not being over because he'd rather be spankin' his pud on his couch than playing football. Also, he dropped several key balls against Philly, showing that he already thought the season WAS over.

Marshall was benched for being late to his treatment session, saying he didn't know if he could play, even though x-rays showed nothing wrong with his hammy. With the captains preaching accountability, McDaniels made an accountable move.

Cutler is gone because he refused to call the owner back, refused to meet with McDaniels man to man without his agent present, and was mad that the guy coddling him was fired.

But sure. Yours makes sense too.

I'll dust off this brilliant argument: "Riiight."

I get it. I didn't need you to run through your lame excuses. For some reason, you guys actually think McDaniels is bigger than the Broncos. Everything he does wrong has some lame excuse. I have never seen a successful organization run this way. Maybe you have. Good for you. Keep supporting cancer and making up excuses. I will just wait for the ride to be over so we can start heading in the right direction next year.

Popcorn Sutton
01-19-2010, 10:51 AM
Do you have a link or something? I was pretty sure that if Shan got a head job elsewhere, he no longer received anything from the Broncos.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncosheadlines/ci_14127983

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 10:54 AM
Thanks. That's why you ask questions.

Never claimed to know everything. I know most of you guys are omnipotent in your own minds.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 10:57 AM
I get it. I didn't need you to run through your lame excuses. For some reason, you guys actually think McDaniels is bigger than the Broncos. Everything he does wrong has some lame excuse. I have never seen a successful organization run this way. Maybe you have. Good for you. Keep supporting cancer and making up excuses. I will just wait for the ride to be over so we can start heading in the right direction next year.

WHAT? When have I said anything even remotely NEAR that? Excellent strawman argument, jhns. You're a really special guy.

Tell me: Have you ever seen a successful organization that is run by firing a head coach after one .500 season, without the entire system in place?

"Supporting cancer"? Where do you come up with this stuff?

You're such a little bitch jhns. Seriously. "I'm just going to wait for the ride to be over." Good. Wait. Wait for it to be over. But do it somewhere else so we don't have to deal with you making strawman arguments based on things nobody has ever said over and over and over again, ad nauseum, just to sate your desire to whine and ****ing cry like a little baby girl.

jhns
01-19-2010, 11:01 AM
Look out Moose, your feminine side is showing.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 11:04 AM
Look out Moose, your feminine side is showing.

/yawn

So, nobody ever said anything like that, then? You're just pulling nonsense out of your ass? You're completely unreasonable and a waste of oxygen as a life form on this planet?

Thought so. Thanks for confirming.

jhns
01-19-2010, 11:11 AM
/yawn

So, nobody ever said anything like that, then? You're just pulling nonsense out of your ass? You're completely unreasonable and a waste of oxygen as a life form on this planet?

Thought so. Thanks for confirming.

Ok fine, your childish feminine side is showing. Sorry for not being specific.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 11:13 AM
Ok fine, your childish feminine side is showing. Sorry for not being specific.

You've already confirmed my suspicions. No need to continue making an ass of yourself, but if you insist...

RaiderH8r
01-19-2010, 11:15 AM
Dude, Moose guy has like, totally, the BIGGEST, fan of any Bronco fan anywhere ever and if ever there was anybody who knew what it meant to have the biggest fandom it is Moose. So when he tells you to go be a fan somewhere else you better recognize that you've just been served by the guy with the biggest fan of any fan who ever fanned. He'll whip it out if you make him.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 11:16 AM
Dude, Moose guy has like, totally, the BIGGEST, fan of any Bronco fan anywhere ever and if ever there was anybody who knew what it meant to have the biggest fandom it is Moose. So when he tells you to go be a fan somewhere else you better recognize that you've just been served by the guy with the biggest fan of any fan who ever fanned. He'll whip it out if you make him.

/yawn

You two are quite the pair! Strawman arguments for everyone! Hooray! :giggle:

watermock
01-19-2010, 11:19 AM
You've already confirmed my suspicions. No need to continue making an ass of yourself, but if you insist...


Gawd, what a biatch!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 11:19 AM
Gawd, what a biatch!

I'll say!

Want some peanut butter, mock?

gyldenlove
01-19-2010, 11:43 AM
McDaniels gets at least next year.

We played I think four teams two seasons ago that were playoff teams and most the remainder on our schedule were garbage and finished 8-8. This year we played 4 teams that weren't playoff teams and many we played in their house and almost won (Colts, Eagles) and we finished 8-8. I think that speaks volumes. '08's team would have finished no better than 5 wins this year. Especially with Slowik in command.

I'm still really pissed about losing to the Raiders. I'm upset that our scoring offense got worse and I'm upset we aren't using Royal and others as well as we might. While it's still early, his draft looks underwhelming at this point. And giving up a first round pick for Alphonso does not look like it's paying off even close to what he banked on.

I still support trading Cutler the int machine, and I still think firing Shanahan was the right choice. The question is was hiring McDaniels the wrong choice? I think it's early to say. He's had a lot to deal with and is a rookie so I think he gets a pass on some things. I was very impressed with his press conference at the end of the season when he owned up to things. The thing is we can't wait forever for this guy to "get it." I will allow him one more offseason of turnover. We should have an easier schedule and the players will be more comfortable in this system. If we improve significantly than he should stay. If we fold again at the end of the year he should be fired. I just want to see the team play well late in the year for a change.

What he said. I think it was time for a change Shanahan wasn't bringing it anymore and had to go. Mcdaniels was a risky hire but some times you need to take risks to get to the next level.

There is no doubt in my mind that firing Mcdaniels now would be a monumental mistake. We can't afford to uproot everything again so soon, we need some continuity even if it has to come down as decrees from the top.

broncosteven
01-19-2010, 11:46 AM
Just trying to get an idea.

Where is the "He gets one more season or one more 4 game losing streak, whichever comes 1st" Option?

I think McD needs to stay until next year but if he goes 3-5 to start the season and the Dove Valley Drama continues he gets put on the hot seat.

Give him enough time to fail or prove the 6-0 start last year wasn't a fluke.

I think he will make a good HC one day, it might be 10 years from now when he is in his 40's and understands life, people, and human nature, a little more.

RaiderH8r
01-19-2010, 12:18 PM
/yawn

You two are quite the pair! Strawman arguments for everyone! Hooray! :giggle:

You keep whipping out your superfandom and wagging it in everyone's face who dares be critical of your anointed one and get your vagina in a knot when I poke a little fun at you? Lighten up Francis.

You're an enabler, I'm calling Pat out on the fallout of his addiction. We're going to have an intervention to let him know how his alcoholism has hurt us and you're not invited because you're an enabler. Whaddya think of that Superfan?

Gob
01-19-2010, 12:33 PM
What he said. I think it was time for a change Shanahan wasn't bringing it anymore and had to go. Mcdaniels was a risky hire but some times you need to take risks to get to the next level.

There is no doubt in my mind that firing Mcdaniels now would be a monumental mistake. We can't afford to uproot everything again so soon, we need some continuity even if it has to come down as decrees from the top.

I don't know if stability and continuity are McDaniels strong points. I am pretty sure they are not going to be the theme this offseason.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 12:34 PM
You keep whipping out your superfandom and wagging it in everyone's face who dares be critical of your anointed one and get your vagina in a knot when I poke a little fun at you? Lighten up Francis.

You're an enabler, I'm calling Pat out on the fallout of his addiction. We're going to have an intervention to let him know how his alcoholism has hurt us and you're not invited because you're an enabler. Whaddya think of that Superfan?

Show me where I whipped out my "superfandom." Go ahead. Just another strawman? Awesome! Talk about a one-trick pony.

Let me guess: another bull**** post from another bull**** moron who can't have a legitimate argument on points so he has to make up nonsense like the above. Close?

An enabler? Do you KNOW Pat Bowlen? Do you think he reads this forum? Are you ****ing retarded?

Please, call an intervention with Bowlen. I can't wait to see how that turns out for your stupid ass. Tell him what a superfan you are, and as such you require that his alcoholism come to an end. Tell him that his "addiction" is hurting you and yours, and you cannot possibly allow it to continue. I'm sure he'll listen. After all, you're a poster on a message board! Doesn't he recognize the importance!?!?!?! You can call people out for "superfandom"! That'll show him!

Your argument is lame. Your points are worse. But please do continue. We're all getting a chuckle from your feathers getting ruffled.

jhns
01-19-2010, 12:38 PM
We're all getting a chuckle from your feathers getting ruffled.

LOL

Says the guy that is crying and getting all personal.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 12:40 PM
LOL

Says the guy that is crying and getting all personal.

All I did was ask for you to prove anything that you've claimed I've said. You couldn't. /shrug

And then your boyfriend comes here to talk about my vagina getting twisted (aside from being improbable -- I don't think they do that -- I don't have a vagina, making it impossible), throwing around MORE strawman arguments, and making zero points on the actual discussion in the thread.

Would you like to back up anything you've written? or perhaps throw out another bull**** argument as you have been doing for all six pages so far?

HEAV
01-19-2010, 12:43 PM
Atwater His Ass, bendog, BroncoBuff, broncofan7, chanesaw, DBroncos4life, DrFate, jhns, rastaman, Sir_Robin, SouthStndJunkie, SPORTSWRITER, TheDave, TheReverend, thesurfshop19, woodall


All fans of a player (over-rated one at that) and rather cheer a player than a team?

jhns
01-19-2010, 12:45 PM
All I did was ask for you to prove anything that you've claimed I've said. You couldn't. /shrug

And then your boyfriend comes here to talk about my vagina getting twisted (aside from being improbable -- I don't think they do that -- I don't have a vagina, making it impossible), throwing around MORE strawman arguments, and making zero points on the actual discussion in the thread.

Would you like to back up anything you've written? or perhaps throw out another bull**** argument as you have been doing for all six pages so far?

All of my arguments are %100 legit. There is no need to explain them to someone that starts getting as upset as you do. Just read your posts. You are falling back to what you always do when you get all upset. The "your a stoopid do-do head" posts are starting to pile up in this thread.

jhns
01-19-2010, 12:48 PM
Atwater His Ass, bendog, BroncoBuff, broncofan7, chanesaw, DBroncos4life, DrFate, jhns, rastaman, Sir_Robin, SouthStndJunkie, SPORTSWRITER, TheDave, TheReverend, thesurfshop19, woodall


All fans of a player (over-rated one at that) and rather cheer a player than a team?

Good one. You are just a fan of a coach, a bad one at that. It is why you spin everything to be everyone and everything elses fault than his. You guys continue thinking McD is bigger than the Broncos.

See, you just listed the people that can see when a head coach has no idea how to deal with players. It is ok with you guys that he causes problems with players and his coaches don't want to coach with him. It is ok with you because McD is above the Broncos.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 12:53 PM
All of my arguments are %100 legit. There is no need to explain them to someone that starts getting as upset as you do. Just read your posts. You are falling back to what you always do when you get all upset. The "your a stoopid do-do head" posts are starting to pile up in this thread.

They're legit, yet can't be proven. Super cool story, bro. :rofl:


:thumbs:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 12:53 PM
You guys continue thinking McD is bigger than the Broncos.

Prove. It.

Pick Six
01-19-2010, 12:54 PM
Yes, the team lost 8 of the last 10. However, I seem to recall only a couple of games where the team just flat out quit...San Diego and KC games in Denver. They fought tooth and nail in the other losses, and that's an improvement over the last few years. I recall SEVERAL games in the Shanahan era where the team fell behind at halftime by a lot and quit. There's the difference and is the reason to hope for the future...:believeit

RaiderH8r
01-19-2010, 12:57 PM
Show me where I whipped out my "superfandom." Go ahead. Just another strawman? Awesome! Talk about a one-trick pony.

Let me guess: another bull**** post from another bull**** moron who can't have a legitimate argument on points so he has to make up nonsense like the above. Close?

An enabler? Do you KNOW Pat Bowlen? Do you think he reads this forum? Are you ****ing retarded?

Please, call an intervention with Bowlen. I can't wait to see how that turns out for your stupid ass. Tell him what a superfan you are, and as such you require that his alcoholism come to an end. Tell him that his "addiction" is hurting you and yours, and you cannot possibly allow it to continue. I'm sure he'll listen. After all, you're a poster on a message board! Doesn't he recognize the importance!?!?!?! You can call people out for "superfandom"! That'll show him!

Your argument is lame. Your points are worse. But please do continue. We're all getting a chuckle from your feathers getting ruffled.

Your superfan BS is your schtick, your thing, your milieu. It is what you do. It's your, "Love it or lump it" BS attitude towards anyone critical of your anointed one, McKid.

You are so far up your own ass with your superfandom you can't even recognize when somebody's busting your balls. Christ, if I didn't know better I'd swear that lump in your throat was your f'ing nose.

And yes, Pat Bowlen does post on this message board. I know it for a fact. He has a user name and a photo to prove it.

I'd put you on ignore but your self righteous indignation over anything critical of McKid is too god damned funny to pass up. Your inability to laugh at a laughable situation is either hilarious or pathetic but the fact you take yourself this f'ing seriously just makes my job of clowning on you all the easier and entertaining.

Again, lighten up Francis.

Popcorn Sutton
01-19-2010, 12:58 PM
Jhns, you've done your fair share of putting Cutler and Marshall above the Broncos and now you are blaming people for putting the Head Coach above the team. If it were up to you the inmates would run the asylum.

Popcorn Sutton
01-19-2010, 12:59 PM
your superfan bs is your schtick, your thing, your milieu. It is what you do. It's your, "love it or lump it" bs attitude towards anyone critical of your anointed one, mckid.

You are so far up your own ass with your superfandom you can't even recognize when somebody's busting your balls. Christ, if i didn't know better i'd swear that lump in your throat was your f'ing nose.

and yes, pat bowlen does post on this message board. I know it for a fact. He has a user name and a photo to prove it.

i'd put you on ignore but your self righteous indignation over anything critical of mckid is too god damned funny to pass up. Your inability to laugh at a laughable situation is either hilarious or pathetic but the fact you take yourself this f'ing seriously just makes my job of clowning on you all the easier and entertaining.

Again, lighten up francis.

lol

HEAV
01-19-2010, 01:01 PM
Good one. You are just a fan of a coach, a bad one at that. It is why you spin everything to be everyone and everything elses fault than his. You guys continue thinking McD is bigger than the Broncos.

See, you just listed the people that can see when a head coach has no idea how to deal with players. It is ok with you guys that he causes problems with players and his coaches don't want to coach with him. It is ok with you because McD is above the Broncos.

So a player (like Cutler a loser and over-rated player) is above the TEAM?

I support whomever is the coach and whoever plays for the team. Once they leave the TEAM it's over.

I may not love a coach (Shanny the later years) or like a player (punk Cutler) but I still support the TEAM. I hated Reeves after he tried to trade ELWAY to Miami and then when he drafted Maddox. But I still supported the TEAM.

Trying to trade or replace Elway and trying to trade or replace Cutler is and apple verse a prune that's spoiled.

coaches don't want to coach with him Dennison got a OC offer and went to be with his buddy and Bobby Turner got a title boost and went to be with his buddy.

Nolan leaving has more to do with him and McDaniels wanting soemthing different. Maybe Nolan wanted to go to the beach, or didn't want a younger guy telling him to blitz more... who really knows?

Not you that's for sure!

But again you're just another whinny-ass bitch crying on this board about something you can't control and when the TEAM is/was winning you and the rest of the cry babies where nowher to be seen...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 01:02 PM
Your superfan BS is your schtick, your thing, your milieu. It is what you do. It's your, "Love it or lump it" BS attitude towards anyone critical of your anointed one, McKid.

You are so far up your own ass with your superfandom you can't even recognize when somebody's busting your balls. Christ, if I didn't know better I'd swear that lump in your throat was your f'ing nose.

And yes, Pat Bowlen does post on this message board. I know it for a fact. He has a user name and a photo to prove it.

I'd put you on ignore but your self righteous indignation over anything critical of McKid is too god damned funny to pass up. Your inability to laugh at a laughable situation is either hilarious or pathetic but the fact you take yourself this f'ing seriously just makes my job of clowning on you all the easier and entertaining.

Again, lighten up Francis.

You have completely missed the point.

I wasn't telling that dumb **** jhns to go elsewhere while the ride comes to an end because I'm a Superfan. I told him that because it gets old seeing the same post over and over from the same guy. He's like Mock, or like the crazy guy on the street corner outside my office building, who just keeps repeating scripture over and over in order to get someone - anyone - to believe and listen to his rantings. It gets old when I'm coming to work, gets old when I leave for coffee, gets old when I leave for the day. /shrug It gets old here, too.

If you're stupid enough to believe that the Pat Bowlen who posts here is THE Pat Bowlen... well... I mean, I don't even have a joke funny enough to cover that sort of stupidity. Congratulations.

Mr.Meanie
01-19-2010, 01:04 PM
And yes, Pat Bowlen does post on this message board. I know it for a fact. He has a user name and a photo to prove it.

:rofl:

RaiderH8r
01-19-2010, 01:07 PM
You have completely missed the point.

I wasn't telling that dumb **** jhns to go elsewhere while the ride comes to an end because I'm a Superfan. I told him that because it gets old seeing the same post over and over from the same guy. He's like Mock, or like the crazy guy on the street corner outside my office building, who just keeps repeating scripture over and over in order to get someone - anyone - to believe and listen to his rantings. It gets old when I'm coming to work, gets old when I leave for coffee, gets old when I leave for the day. /shrug It gets old here, too.

If you're stupid enough to believe that the Pat Bowlen who posts here is THE Pat Bowlen... well... I mean, I don't even have a joke funny enough to cover that sort of stupidity. Congratulations.

You're f'ing with me now right? You've GOT to be f'ing with me.

RaiderH8r
01-19-2010, 01:10 PM
You have completely missed the point.

I wasn't telling that dumb **** jhns to go elsewhere while the ride comes to an end because I'm a Superfan. I told him that because it gets old seeing the same post over and over from the same guy. He's like Mock, or like the crazy guy on the street corner outside my office building, who just keeps repeating scripture over and over in order to get someone - anyone - to believe and listen to his rantings. It gets old when I'm coming to work, gets old when I leave for coffee, gets old when I leave for the day. /shrug It gets old here, too.

If you're stupid enough to believe that the Pat Bowlen who posts here is THE Pat Bowlen... well... I mean, I don't even have a joke funny enough to cover that sort of stupidity. Congratulations.

Your superfan BS is your schtick, your thing, your milieu. It is what you do. It's your, "Love it or lump it" BS attitude towards anyone critical of your anointed one, McKid.

You are so far up your own ass with your superfandom you can't even recognize when somebody's busting your balls. Christ, if I didn't know better I'd swear that lump in your throat was your f'ing nose.

And yes, Pat Bowlen does post on this message board. I know it for a fact. He has a user name and a photo to prove it.

I'd put you on ignore but your self righteous indignation over anything critical of McKid is too god damned funny to pass up. Your inability to laugh at a laughable situation is either hilarious or pathetic but the fact you take yourself this f'ing seriously just makes my job of clowning on you all the easier and entertaining.

Again, lighten up Francis.

It's like you mean to do it.LOLROFL!

Seriously, you're f'ing with me right?

jhns
01-19-2010, 01:14 PM
So a player (like Cutler a loser and over-rated player) is above the TEAM?

I support whomever is the coach and whoever plays for the team. Once they leave the TEAM it's over.

I may not love a coach (Shanny the later years) or like a player (punk Cutler) but I still support the TEAM. I hated Reeves after he tried to trade ELWAY to Miami and then when he drafted Maddox. But I still supported the TEAM.

Trying to trade or replace Elway and trying to trade or replace Cutler is and apple verse a prune that's spoiled.

Dennison got a OC offer and went to be with his buddy and Bobby Turner got a title boost and went to be with his buddy.

Nolan leaving has more to do with him and McDaniels wanting soemthing different. Maybe Nolan wanted to go to the beach, or didn't want a younger guy telling him to blitz more... who really knows?

Not you that's for sure!

But again you're just another whinny-ass b**** crying on this board about something you can't control and when the TEAM is/was winning you and the rest of the cry babies where nowher to be seen...

I post more than you when we were winning. You want to bet on that?

So I don't support the team because I don't think McD is doing things right? The cheering for them and buying Bronco stuff/tickets is not support? Good to know. I guess I don't support them then.

Cutler is not above the team. I probably wouldn't take him back if they offered the trade in reverse, right now. What does that have to do with seeing that our front office has no idea how to handle players?

DBroncos4life
01-19-2010, 01:16 PM
Atwater His Ass, bendog, BroncoBuff, broncofan7, chanesaw, DBroncos4life, DrFate, jhns, rastaman, Sir_Robin, SouthStndJunkie, SPORTSWRITER, TheDave, TheReverend, thesurfshop19, woodall


All fans of a player (over-rated one at that) and rather cheer a player than a team?

Ah So Josh McDaniels is the team. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I don't cheer for Cutler nor do I go in Cutler threads to defend him anymore. I just got a good idea then that McD was in over his head with things going to the media like they did. It was a **** storm like I have never seen from a new coach. Tell me things have got better in Denver?

jhns
01-19-2010, 01:16 PM
Jhns, you've done your fair share of putting Cutler and Marshall above the Broncos and now you are blaming people for putting the Head Coach above the team. If it were up to you the inmates would run the asylum.

Marshall and Cutler aren't above the team? Dang, maybe I do need to rethink my stance.

HEAV
01-19-2010, 01:23 PM
Yes, the team lost 8 of the last 10. However, I seem to recall only a couple of games where the team just flat out quit...San Diego and KC games in Denver. They fought tooth and nail in the other losses, and that's an improvement over the last few years. I recall SEVERAL games in the Shanahan era where the team fell behind at halftime by a lot and quit. There's the difference and is the reason to hope for the future...:believeit

Some people only see the W or L in a column and go with that. They refuse to look at the entire game and how the team competed with the Colts & Eagles, then dominated the Giants and the Chiefs. The Oakland loss came with seconds left and the defense not blitz'n and the KC loss was revenge by the Chefs they wanted it more than the Broncos and made more adjustments than Denver did.

But look at the early wins Cinci game was a gift and the Dallas game was Romo locking onto one WR (he still lead the Boys down the field into the redzone) the Pats game came down to a Brady off his game.

This team and it's talent level was Heckle & Jeckle all year long.

But still they left it all on the field.

HEAV
01-19-2010, 01:24 PM
ah so josh mcdaniels is the team. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I don't cheer for cutler nor do i go in cutler threads to defend him anymore. I just got a good idea then that mcd was in over his head with things going to the media like they did. It was a **** storm like i have never seen from a new coach. Tell me things have got better in denver?

nor do i go in cutler threads to defend him anymore.
lol

DBroncos4life
01-19-2010, 01:26 PM
lol

Find my last post in a Cutler thread defending him.

HEAV
01-19-2010, 01:29 PM
Find my last post in a Cutler thread defending him.

Laughing at you saying you ever did go into threads defending him. Basically you said you used to go into threads to defend that douche bag that called you a 8 as a fan and not a 10 like a Bear fan...

TheDave
01-19-2010, 01:39 PM
Atwater His Ass, bendog, BroncoBuff, broncofan7, chanesaw, DBroncos4life, DrFate, jhns, rastaman, Sir_Robin, SouthStndJunkie, SPORTSWRITER, TheDave, TheReverend, thesurfshop19, woodall


All fans of a player (over-rated one at that) and rather cheer a player than a team?


Another superfan post... :thumbs:

HEAV
01-19-2010, 01:40 PM
Another superfan post... :thumbs:

Nice group you are with there Dave...nice group...:welcome:

DBroncos4life
01-19-2010, 01:41 PM
Laughing at you saying you ever did go into threads defending him. Basically you said you used to go into threads to defend that douche bag that called you a 8 as a fan and not a 10 like a Bear fan...

I guess I'll just have to take comfort in knowing that someday you will be bashing McD because as soon as he isn't a Bronco any more he is dead to you. You are the king of all kings Heav. I admire your faith, but I just don't think I will ignore the "red flags" that continue to pop up around McD. I'm sure you were one of the fans that saw flaws in Cutlers game and thought that he was over-rated, uncoachable, and a coach killer. That is amazing, but I don't understand how you can't start to see a trend in McD.

TheDave
01-19-2010, 01:42 PM
Nice group you are with there Dave...nice group...:welcome:

Trust me I'll take that group over you, meck, tsi and mooseboy.

DBroncos4life
01-19-2010, 01:48 PM
Trust me I'll take that group over you, meck, tsi and mooseboy.

If you ever see me in a group with those two kill me. ;D

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 01:50 PM
If you ever see me in a group with those two kill me. ;D

Can you just kill yourself? Nobody wants you in that group anyway, so don't worry.

HEAV
01-19-2010, 01:53 PM
I guess I'll just have to take comfort in knowing that someday you will be bashing McD because as soon as he isn't a Bronco any more he is dead to you. You are the king of all kings Heav. I admire your faith, but I just don't think I will ignore the "red flags" that continue to pop up around McD. I'm sure you were one of the fans that saw flaws in Cutlers game and thought that he was over-rated, uncoachable, and a coach killer. That is amazing, but I don't understand how you can't start to see a trend in McD.

Watch choice do we have dude?

He's the coach. We are just fans. We don't own the team or have any power to change things.

We can only hope for the best and deal with what we have. McDaniels is young and still learning, Orton isn't nor will ever be Elway, Knowshon may just be an average NFL back... what the does crying a bitching do?

Nolan didn't want to be here for what ever reason (I've said I was a Nolan fan for years) he's gone and the team has to move on. I'm a fan of the team and have to move on.

If McDaniels fails in the year(s) to come I'll be on the fire him band wagon. But right now he's the coach and showed me that he can win and he can reach some players (Dawkins comes to mind) and motivate players to play hard.

He's got a lot to prove and yes he hadn't handle Cutler/trade issue correctly. But he put Marshall in his place and got the most out the guy that he could until Marshall quit.

I don't blame McDaniels for Dennison leaving or Bobby Turner joing Shanny. The Nolan leaving bothers me, but what can I do or anyone of us do? For what ever reason Nolan didn't want to be the Denver DC.

Now Denver has to move on.

Let McDaniels have one more full year (FA,Draft and season) and if it fails then I will start chanting fire em.

But for now he's my coach and unless something crazy happens he's the coach we will have.

DBroncos4life
01-19-2010, 01:53 PM
Can you just kill yourself? Nobody wants you in that group anyway, so don't worry.

All class!!!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 01:54 PM
Watch choice do we have dude?

He's the coach. We are just fans. We don't own the team or have any power to change things.

We can only hope for the best and deal with what we have. McDaniels is young and still learning, Orton isn't nor will ever be Elway, Knowshon may just be an average NFL back... what the does crying a b****ing do?

Nolan didn't want to be here for what ever reason (I've said I was a Nolan fan for years) he's gone and the team has to move on. I'm a fan of the team and have to move on.

If McDaniels fails in the year(s) to come I'll be on the fire him band wagon. But right now he's the coach and showed me that he can win and he can reach some players (Dawkins comes to mind) and motivate players to play hard.

He's got a lot to prove and yes he hadn't handle Cutler/trade issue correctly. But he put Marshall in his place and got the most out the guy that he could until Marshall quit.

I don't blame McDaniels for Dennison leaving or Bobby Turner joing Shanny. The Nolan leaving bothers me, but what can I do or anyone of us do? For what ever reason Nolan didn't want to be the Denver DC.

Now Denver has to move on.

Let McDaniels have one more full year (FA,Draft and season) and if it fails then I will start chanting fire em.

But for now he's my coach and unless something crazy happens he's the coach we will have.

You could always complain to Pat Bowlen... I hear he posts here, and there's an intervention being planned. Maybe you could get tickets!

HEAV
01-19-2010, 01:55 PM
Trust me I'll take that group over you, meck, tsi and mooseboy.

You just like being the leader of the misfit toys...

TheDave
01-19-2010, 01:56 PM
you just like being the leader of the misfit toys...

ok...

RaiderH8r
01-19-2010, 01:57 PM
All class!!!

Dude...Superfan.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 01:58 PM
Dude...Superfan.

Hilarious!

RaiderH8r
01-19-2010, 01:59 PM
You could always complain to Pat Bowlen... I hear he posts here, and there's an intervention being planned. Maybe you could get tickets!

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/member.php?u=2417

Case closed.

TheDave
01-19-2010, 01:59 PM
Dude...Superfan.

We need a superfan emoticon...

DBroncos4life
01-19-2010, 02:00 PM
Watch choice do we have dude?

He's the coach. We are just fans. We don't own the team or have any power to change things.

We can only hope for the best and deal with what we have. McDaniels is young and still learning, Orton isn't nor will ever be Elway, Knowshon may just be an average NFL back... what the does crying a b****ing do?

Nolan didn't want to be here for what ever reason (I've said I was a Nolan fan for years) he's gone and the team has to move on. I'm a fan of the team and have to move on.

If McDaniels fails in the year(s) to come I'll be on the fire him band wagon. But right now he's the coach and showed me that he can win and he can reach some players (Dawkins comes to mind) and motivate players to play hard.

He's got a lot to prove and yes he hadn't handle Cutler/trade issue correctly. But he put Marshall in his place and got the most out the guy that he could until Marshall quit.

I don't blame McDaniels for Dennison leaving or Bobby Turner joing Shanny. The Nolan leaving bothers me, but what can I do or anyone of us do? For what ever reason Nolan didn't want to be the Denver DC.

Now Denver has to move on.

Let McDaniels have one more full year (FA,Draft and season) and if it fails then I will start chanting fire em.

But for now he's my coach and unless something crazy happens he's the coach we will have.

We have choices Heav. Our opinions might not change anything. I'm don't believe in boycotting the team. I love the Denver Broncos but that doesn't mean I don't have a right to an opinion on the HC. Too many things keep happening. Hell their is a rumor that McD tried getting Cernnel to coach here before KC. That right there is exactly what he did with Cutler and if it is true (which I understand we never will know for sure) I can't blame Nolan one bit for wanting to leave.

Heav it is fine that you want to give him one more draft and one more year. There is nothing wrong with it. I don't recall going out of my way to single you out or think you are a bad fan in any type of way. Hell I have a ton of respect for popps as a fan and as a poster even if we fight. You guys have your reason's for backing him and I have mine for wanting him out of here.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 02:02 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/member.php?u=2417

Case closed.

You're a special breed of retard. Really.

http://images.google.com/images?q=pat%20bowlen&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

But where would he have gotten the picture!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!??!!

Christ, someone's first day on teh interwebz.

DBroncos4life
01-19-2010, 02:05 PM
Dude...Superfan.

True story I was waiting in line at McDs and this guy in a Broncos hat cut in line and everyone started getting pissed off. He turned to them and flashed this bright card that made the heavens cry the ground shake. On that card that was so amazing that you couldn't look at too long because it burned your eyes, you could make out the word Superfan and everyone was cool again.

WolfpackGuy
01-19-2010, 02:09 PM
Here is how some feel about "The Coach"

http://17.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kse9taHssu1qzluv7o1_500.jpg

"You had me at hello"

RaiderH8r
01-19-2010, 02:15 PM
You're a special breed of retard. Really.

http://images.google.com/images?q=pat%20bowlen&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

But where would he have gotten the picture!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!??!!

Christ, someone's first day on teh interwebz.

Holy. F'ing. Christ.

Your superfan BS is your schtick, your thing, your milieu. It is what you do. It's your, "Love it or lump it" BS attitude towards anyone critical of your anointed one, McKid.

You are so far up your own ass with your superfandom you can't even recognize when somebody's busting your balls. Christ, if I didn't know better I'd swear that lump in your throat was your f'ing nose.

And yes, Pat Bowlen does post on this message board. I know it for a fact. He has a user name and a photo to prove it.

I'd put you on ignore but your self righteous indignation over anything critical of McKid is too god damned funny to pass up. Your inability to laugh at a laughable situation is either hilarious or pathetic but the fact you take yourself this f'ing seriously just makes my job of clowning on you all the easier and entertaining.

Again, lighten up Francis.

Special breed of retard indeed.

gunns
01-19-2010, 02:20 PM
I haven't wanted him gone yet but if he picks offense first in the draft, I will. If he uses free agency to stack the offense, I will. Other than that, I'm quaking in my boots in anticipation to see what happens this off season and next season.

gunns
01-19-2010, 02:26 PM
Your superfan BS is your schtick, your thing, your milieu. It is what you do. It's your, "Love it or lump it" BS attitude towards anyone critical of your anointed one, McKid.

You are so far up your own ass with your superfandom you can't even recognize when somebody's busting your balls. Christ, if I didn't know better I'd swear that lump in your throat was your f'ing nose.

And yes, Pat Bowlen does post on this message board. I know it for a fact. He has a user name and a photo to prove it.

I'd put you on ignore but your self righteous indignation over anything critical of McKid is too god damned funny to pass up. Your inability to laugh at a laughable situation is either hilarious or pathetic but the fact you take yourself this f'ing seriously just makes my job of clowning on you all the easier and entertaining.

Again, lighten up Francis.

OMG Hilarious! :thumbsup: :notworthy:

Where's Tsi?

gunns
01-19-2010, 02:30 PM
You just like being the leader of the misfit toys...

Do you ever smile?

HEAV
01-19-2010, 02:35 PM
Do you ever smile?

When the Broncos win.:wave:

tsiguy96
01-19-2010, 03:06 PM
a. i think its funny that people automatically assume you get attacked on this forum if you say anything bad about mcdaniels, and thats pretty obviously not the case. criticism is one thing and its pretty well accepted, most everyone here often times agrees with it (ie mcdaniels stubborn or unimaginitive playcalling). ridiculous and stupid hatred and blind criticism without real consideration of the situation or facts is something totally different (ie mcdaniels is the devil, destroyed hte franchise, cutler was god, nolan was god etc etc)

but most idiots like gunns dont see the difference and just love to go "OMG you criticized mcdaniels omg omg here comes tsi i have boobs omg omg". i swear that most of you just like the attention that you get when you come here and cry all day, as the poll shows you are the vast minority.

and

b. its pretty obvious that those who hate mcdaniels have since the first minute, they dont care what he has or will accomplish as it will never be good enough since cutler is gone. cutler has pretty well proved we made out like bandits in that trade, but it doesnt matter he can throw the ball forever!!!

rastaman
01-19-2010, 03:16 PM
Yeah are defense really was shut down..did you see that Chiefs game?

McD was such a F*@King control freak he was meddling with Nolan on the Defensive schemes and game plans!

Why do you think Nolan (who is 50 yrs old) said screw this Shiiiit! No un proven runny nose 30 something yr old stubborn abrasive punk coach is going to disrespect me after I've toiled in the NFL as a coach and HC for 20 years! F##k em.

Why do you think Turner and Dennison have left McTitanic's sinking ship as well! McD simply doesn't play well with others. McD doesn't need dynamic qualified coaches who make players better and coach to and beyond their capabilities! McD wants YES MEN first and foremost to soothe his insecurity and the power trip he is currently on.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-19-2010, 04:20 PM
McD was such a F*@King control freak he was meddling with Nolan on the Defensive schemes and game plans!

Why do you think Nolan (who is 50 yrs old) said screw this Shiiiit! No un proven runny nose 30 something yr old stubborn abrasive punk coach is going to disrespect me after I've toiled in the NFL as a coach and HC for 20 years! F##k em.

Why do you think Turner and Dennison have left McTitanic's sinking ship as well! McD simply doesn't play well with others. McD doesn't need dynamic qualified coaches who make players better and coach to and beyond their capabilities! McD wants YES MEN first and foremost to soothe his insecurity and the power trip he is currently on.

You're such a ****ing moron, and yet I'm somehow surprised by your stupidity in this instance.

Let's see... Turner and Dennison have the opportunity to go coach for a guy they've coached for for years, in DC where they get paid a TON of money, to run a scheme they WANT to run... yet it's because McD is an asshole. Makes perfect sense.

Nolan is a different case. Sounds like they just didn't agree, and Nolan wanted more autonomy, while McD wants the things the offense does to compliment the defense and vice versa. But sure. McD is a jerk. Got it.

Man oh man, your logic is baffling.

Cito Pelon
01-19-2010, 04:25 PM
Well, I couldn't vote because there was no option for "I don't want him fired, yet."

Cito Pelon
01-19-2010, 04:45 PM
Here's the "after Cutler was traded":

(Jae), AirMoreno27, Atwater His Ass, bendog, Bleed n Orange, BroncoBuff, broncofan7, chanesaw, DBroncos4life, DrFate, jhns, MaloCS, RaiderH8r, rastaman, Sir_Robin, SouthStndJunkie, SPORTSWRITER, Symons26, TheDave, TheReverend, thesurfshop19, woodall.

No surprise that was the 2nd most chosen option at 18%.

Don't you folks figure yer kind of stupid to want to fire a newly-hired HC before the season begins? I mean, really, think about it. You wanted the HC fired before the season began.

You figured firing McD was the smartest thing to do at that time? Did you think anybody rational would take your subsequent posts seriously after taking an idiotic position like that?

Only their fellow hysterical fools takes hysterical fools seriously, ok? So relax and stop making fools of yourselves.

Meck77
01-19-2010, 05:03 PM
I think the 60 McD haters are onto something. By not supporting the coach that means they no longer have to go to games. That is a huge money savings. They no longer would have to buy Bronco gear! Heck their protest could even mean they don't have to watch Bronco games anymore! Time=Money so that's an even bigger savings!

Hmm.....Hating McD is a great way to beat this recession and show your true support for the Broncos!


And all these years I thought Bronco fans tailgate and go to games to show their support for their team. Pftt! We should be an angry mob Marching on Dove Valley demanding the resignation of coach McDaniels. Pat Bowlen you ****** *****!

;) <-------This means the above post was a JOKE.

RaiderH8r
01-19-2010, 06:03 PM
I think the 60 McD haters are onto something. By not supporting the coach that means they no longer have to go to games. That is a huge money savings. They no longer would have to buy Bronco gear! Heck their protest could even mean they don't have to watch Bronco games anymore! Time=Money so that's an even bigger savings!

Hmm.....Hating McD is a great way to beat this recession and show your true support for the Broncos!


And all these years I thought Bronco fans tailgate and go to games to show their support for their team. Pftt! We should be an angry mob Marching on Dove Valley demanding the resignation of coach McDaniels. Pat Bowlen you ****** *****!

;) <-------This means the above post was a JOKE.

I'm going to host an intervention...you MAY be invited. I don't know if you're as superfan as the other superfans yet. If you go Superfan then you become an enabler and as such no use for the intervention.

Lolad
01-19-2010, 06:31 PM
a. i think its funny that people automatically assume you get attacked on this forum if you say anything bad about mcdaniels, and thats pretty obviously not the case. criticism is one thing and its pretty well accepted, most everyone here often times agrees with it (ie mcdaniels stubborn or unimaginitive playcalling). ridiculous and stupid hatred and blind criticism without real consideration of the situation or facts is something totally different (ie mcdaniels is the devil, destroyed hte franchise, cutler was god, nolan was god etc etc)

but most idiots like gunns dont see the difference and just love to go "OMG you criticized mcdaniels omg omg here comes tsi i have boobs omg omg". i swear that most of you just like the attention that you get when you come here and cry all day, as the poll shows you are the vast minority.

and

b. its pretty obvious that those who hate mcdaniels have since the first minute, they dont care what he has or will accomplish as it will never be good enough since cutler is gone. cutler has pretty well proved we made out like bandits in that trade, but it doesnt matter he can throw the ball forever!!!

I don't hate the guy that's a strong word. What Cutler did this year has nothing to do with what he could have done with an offense that had some consistency.

I would rather have a guy try to make a play rather than throw the ball in the dirt on 3rd and 2 when he could have walked for a 1st down.

He doesn't have the instincts to make something out of nothing either you have it or you don't. HE DOESN'T HAVE IT! You can't teach pocket awareness or when to scramble for a 1st down or shovel pass to make a play.

Bronc62
01-19-2010, 06:32 PM
State of the Broncos right now...

http://www.timescall.com/Assets/newspics/20100119_HORSE_VANDALISM_468.jpg

tsiguy96
01-19-2010, 06:42 PM
I don't hate the guy that's a strong word. What Cutler did this year has nothing to do with what he could have done with an offense that had some consistency.

I would rather have a guy try to make a play rather than throw the ball in the dirt on 3rd and 2 when he could have walked for a 1st down.

He doesn't have the instincts to make something out of nothing either you have it or you don't. HE DOESN'T HAVE IT! You can't teach pocket awareness or when to scramble for a 1st down or shovel pass to make a play.

i didnt even talk about orton, he did an ok job this year, hes exactly as described: an above average game manager, nothing more. he can put some points on the board when needed as he showed when the team was down by like 17 2 times this year and we came back to win (with help of D obviously). but hes not great by any means. cutler, however, i think will always be a disaster in the NFL, and he really has done nothing to disprove it.

colonelbeef
01-19-2010, 07:13 PM
He lost me with the Cutler trade, but I am on record saying that he needs to get 3 years in order to implement his plan, barring complete catastrophe in 2010.

Cito Pelon
01-19-2010, 07:14 PM
I think the 60 McD haters . . . . . .

Them 60 McD haters sure are loud. Just constant negativity, nothing the guy does is worth merit. Actually the contrary, everything he does is wrong. Pure hysterics. And sure enough, these are the same posters that thought Shanny could do no wrong.

colonelbeef
01-19-2010, 07:18 PM
i didnt even talk about orton, he did an ok job this year, hes exactly as described: an above average game manager, nothing more. he can put some points on the board when needed as he showed when the team was down by like 17 2 times this year and we came back to win (with help of D obviously). but hes not great by any means. cutler, however, i think will always be a disaster in the NFL, and he really has done nothing to disprove it.

Orton did a crap job, he threw 2 pick-sixes with the season on the line at home (as far as he knew at that point) and led a bottom 10 offense straight to 8-8 despite having a top 10 defense. Stop sugarcoating the obvious.

colonelbeef
01-19-2010, 07:18 PM
Them 60 McD haters sure are loud. Just constant negativity, nothing the guy does is worth merit. Actually the contrary, everything he does is wrong. Pure hysterics. And sure enough, these are the same posters that thought Shanny could do no wrong.

Cry more p***Y, your tears are delicious.

bowtown
01-19-2010, 07:25 PM
Cry more p***Y, your tears are delicious.

gross.

strafen
01-19-2010, 07:38 PM
Them 60 McD haters sure are loud. Just constant negativity, nothing the guy does is worth merit. Actually the contrary, everything he does is wrong. Pure hysterics. And sure enough, these are the same posters that thought Shanny could do no wrong.Show us what he's done so far that has any merits, then?
Thought so...

DBroncos4life
01-19-2010, 07:44 PM
Show us what he's done so far that has any merits, then?
Thought so...

He did bring in Nolan who really turned the D around in one season faster then anyone would have expected. I thought this was a positive till I found out A) the D wasn't as good as I thought because it failed at the end of the year and B) McD was the one handling the D during the good part of the season and Nolan was handling the D during the bad. So I guess in the end this doesn't answer your question on what he as done to merit the love he gets here.

broncosteven
01-19-2010, 08:42 PM
I think the 60 McD haters are onto something. By not supporting the coach that means they no longer have to go to games. That is a huge money savings. They no longer would have to buy Bronco gear! Heck their protest could even mean they don't have to watch Bronco games anymore! Time=Money so that's an even bigger savings!

Hmm.....Hating McD is a great way to beat this recession and show your true support for the Broncos!


And all these years I thought Bronco fans tailgate and go to games to show their support for their team. Pftt! We should be an angry mob Marching on Dove Valley demanding the resignation of coach McDaniels. Pat Bowlen you ****** *****!

;) <-------This means the above post was a JOKE.

I realize that this is mostly a joke post but you bring up the purchasing of Bronco gear and that is a valid point.

Name a player on the current roster who can move a lot of merchandise. Outside of Champ who is getting very old I can't think of anyone who would move a working man to pay the $250+ for an authentic rebok jersey this year.

Once Bowlen starts feeling it in the pocket book I am guessing he will be forced to make a move.

Durango
01-19-2010, 09:03 PM
b. its pretty obvious that those who hate mcdaniels have since the first minute, they dont care what he has or will accomplish as it will never be good enough since cutler is gone. cutler has pretty well proved we made out like bandits in that trade, but it doesnt matter he can throw the ball forever!!!

Wrong. I didn't and don't hate McDaniels and was actually a little curious and pleased when the hiring was first announced. Of course, that's before he started bulldozing the franchise. Since I don't own the team, I can't tell anyone what to do, but since we're stuck with this guy for at least another year, I can offer some advice; do something, anything, to try and get the fans back on your side. It seems the best talent you've perfected so far is pissing people off, including me.

strafen
01-19-2010, 09:20 PM
He did bring in Nolan who really turned the D around in one season faster then anyone would have expected. I thought this was a positive till I found out A) the D wasn't as good as I thought because it failed at the end of the year and B) McD was the one handling the D during the good part of the season and Nolan was handling the D during the bad. So I guess in the end this doesn't answer your question on what he as done to merit the love he gets here.I've officially heard it all. This one takes the cake! ROFL!LOL

RaiderH8r
01-20-2010, 06:39 AM
I realize that this is mostly a joke post but you bring up the purchasing of Bronco gear and that is a valid point.

Name a player on the current roster who can move a lot of merchandise. Outside of Champ who is getting very old I can't think of anyone who would move a working man to pay the $250+ for an authentic rebok jersey this year.

Once Bowlen starts feeling it in the pocket book I am guessing he will be forced to make a move.

At this point I wouldn't drop $250 on a Pat Bowlen jersey because I'm not sure McKid won't figure out a way to get Pat shipped out of town too.