Tebow Family hosting anti-abortion commercial on Super Bowl Sunday

[bpc]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/17/tim-tebow-mothers-super-b_n_426673.html?show_comment_id=38316936#comment_3 8316936

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Tim Tebow is taking his star power to sport's biggest stage.

The former Florida quarterback and his mother will appear in a 30-second commercial during the Super Bowl next month. The Christian group Focus on the Family says the Tebows will share a personal story centering on the theme "Celebrate Family, Celebrate Life."

The group isn't releasing details, but the commercial is likely to be an anti-abortion message chronicling Pam Tebow's 1987 pregnancy. After getting sick during a mission trip to the Philippines, she ignored a recommendation by doctors to abort her fifth child and gave birth to Tim.

The 2007 Heisman Trophy winner ended his college career with several NCAA, Southeastern Conference and school records, and two national championships. Tebow also has been very involved in his family's Christian-based ministry.

Jim Daly, president and CEO of Focus on the Family, said the commercial comes at a time when "families need to be inspired."

"Tim and Pam share our respect for life and our passion for helping families thrive," Daly said. "Focus on the Family is about ... strengthening families by empowering them with the tools they need to live lives rooted in morals and values."

Thirty-second commercials during the Super Bowl are selling for between $2.5 million and $2.8 million. Daly said all the funds for the ad came from a handful of "very generous and committed friends," and that no money from the group's general fund was used.

"Now that the ad has been shot, we're excited to tell people it's coming because the Tebows' story is such an important one for our culture to hear," he said. "You won't want to miss it."


Pretty amazing story. I never knew. Good for the Tebow family.

[Meck77]

A life is a life. Seems kinda strange to say "Hey don't abort because I'm a great QB and could have been aborted". He's no more special than anyone else that was aborted or could have been aborted IMO.

[cutthemdown]

A life is a life. Seems kinda strange to say "Hey don't abort because I'm a great QB and could have been aborted". He's no more special than anyone else that was aborted or could have been aborted IMO.

I think they feel he is a good example of what you miss out on when you kill a baby.

They picked him because people know who he is so it makes since.

It would be good however to include stories of regular people also. One of my nephews was born with only 1 working kidney. My sister was told early on and that doctor said you may want to consider and abortion.

She went to a different doc and my nephew is healthy and doing well now 15 yrs later.

[cutthemdown]

Having said that, I do believe that medical reasons are a lot different then saying I don't want a child right now.

Just wanted to make sure people don't think I am against abortion in all cases. Just that I think a lot of bad comes from doing them at the rate we do. It's like an un-natural population control that IMO could eventually mean the end of the American way of life.

[rastaman]

Holy Roller Come-to-Jesus Tebow just play Football and stop wearing your religion and your abortion views on your SLEEVE!

[rastaman]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/17/tim-tebow-mothers-super-b_n_426673.html?show_comment_id=38316936#comment_3 8316936

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Tim Tebow is taking his star power to sport's biggest stage.

The former Florida quarterback and his mother will appear in a 30-second commercial during the Super Bowl next month. The Christian group Focus on the Family says the Tebows will share a personal story centering on the theme "Celebrate Family, Celebrate Life."

The group isn't releasing details, but the commercial is likely to be an anti-abortion message chronicling Pam Tebow's 1987 pregnancy. After getting sick during a mission trip to the Philippines, she ignored a recommendation by doctors to abort her fifth child and gave birth to Tim.

The 2007 Heisman Trophy winner ended his college career with several NCAA, Southeastern Conference and school records, and two national championships. Tebow also has been very involved in his family's Christian-based ministry.

Jim Daly, president and CEO of Focus on the Family, said the commercial comes at a time when "families need to be inspired."

"Tim and Pam share our respect for life and our passion for helping families thrive," Daly said. "Focus on the Family is about ... strengthening families by empowering them with the tools they need to live lives rooted in morals and values."

Thirty-second commercials during the Super Bowl are selling for between $2.5 million and $2.8 million. Daly said all the funds for the ad came from a handful of "very generous and committed friends," and that no money from the group's general fund was used.

"Now that the ad has been shot, we're excited to tell people it's coming because the Tebows' story is such an important one for our culture to hear," he said. "You won't want to miss it."


Pretty amazing story. I never knew. Good for the Tebow family.

I'll make sure to change the channel everytime that pathetic commerical comes on.ROFL!

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/17/tim-tebow-mothers-super-b_n_426673.html?show_comment_id=38316936#comment_3 8316936

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Tim Tebow is taking his star power to sport's biggest stage.

The former Florida quarterback and his mother will appear in a 30-second commercial during the Super Bowl next month. The Christian group Focus on the Family says the Tebows will share a personal story centering on the theme "Celebrate Family, Celebrate Life."

The group isn't releasing details, but the commercial is likely to be an anti-abortion message chronicling Pam Tebow's 1987 pregnancy. After getting sick during a mission trip to the Philippines, she ignored a recommendation by doctors to abort her fifth child and gave birth to Tim.

The 2007 Heisman Trophy winner ended his college career with several NCAA, Southeastern Conference and school records, and two national championships. Tebow also has been very involved in his family's Christian-based ministry.

Jim Daly, president and CEO of Focus on the Family, said the commercial comes at a time when "families need to be inspired."

"Tim and Pam share our respect for life and our passion for helping families thrive," Daly said. "Focus on the Family is about ... strengthening families by empowering them with the tools they need to live lives rooted in morals and values."

Thirty-second commercials during the Super Bowl are selling for between $2.5 million and $2.8 million. Daly said all the funds for the ad came from a handful of "very generous and committed friends," and that no money from the group's general fund was used.

"Now that the ad has been shot, we're excited to tell people it's coming because the Tebows' story is such an important one for our culture to hear," he said. "You won't want to miss it."


Pretty amazing story. I never knew. Good for the Tebow family.

Powerful stuff. Gotta love Tebow.

I know some people who marched on DC with the Tea Party folks, and they said that there was a pro-life demonstration where mothers of aborted children had bought baby shoes in memorial for their babies, given the babies names, and written them a little note. They said that there were hundreds of them, all personalized by their moms. It makes your heart sick.

Here's the only picture I could find:
http://www.studentsforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/shoes.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

Ah...I found them. A couple of organizations put these together. Having brothers, I found this one particularly sad:
http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/TheCall08_0007.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/Thecalldc2008_057.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/TheCall08_0004.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/Holland-March2005_001.jpg

[cutthemdown]

Holy Roller Come-to-Jesus Tebow just play Football and stop wearing your religion and your abortion views on your SLEEVE!

Meh like other stars, actors, famous musicians don't do it for liberal causes?

[cutthemdown]

Rasta=no credibility

[ghwk]

Be sure to send all the orphans and abandoned kids to the Tebows for adoption.

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/Holland-March2005_006.jpg

[rastaman]

Rasta=no credibility

Cutty = Hallucinating.:peace:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Be sure to send all the orphans and abandoned kids to the Tebows for adoption.

Strawman.

[rastaman]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/holland-march2005_001.jpg

why didn't somebody adopt me?

[rastaman]

Strawman.

Would a pro-choice or pro gay marriage commercial even be allowed on a Super Bowl telecast?

Doubt it seriously though it could be contested in the courts. ;)

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/Ann-Jamaica2007_481.jpg

[yavoon]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/Holland-March2005_001.jpg

powerful stuff.

[rastaman]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/Thecalldc2008_057.jpg

20/20 Hindsight at its finest.

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/TheCall08_0006.jpg

[rastaman]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/Ann-Jamaica2007_481.jpg

But.....It Sucks to Be You!

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/THE_CALL_DC_and_OPERATION_OUTCRY_Memorial_8-16-08_Capitol_DC_102.jpg

[rastaman]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/TheCall08_0006.jpg

Stop It McSkillet.....you're killing me!:thumbs:

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/Holland_Dec_2005_147.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/Jamaica07_15-30_07_026.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/TheCall08_0003.jpg

[Spider]

Holy Roller Come-to-Jesus Tebow just play Football and stop wearing your religion and your abortion views on your SLEEVE!

Cant agree with you on that one , he has the right to speak his point of view , just like everyone else ......
May not agree with him , but he has that right

[rastaman]

Cant agree with you on that one , he has the right to speak his point of view , just like everyone else ......
May not agree with him , but he has that right

Point well taken.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Stop It McSkillet.....you're killing me!:thumbs:

You think that a mother's remorse over the loss of a baby that she grew to love is funny? Really?

That's pretty sick there, guy.

[SPfloppy]

While I agree there would likely be more controversy if a pro-choice comercial aired or a gay marriage spot, I still like the kid for being a solid role model and student athlete. But pretentiousness turns alot of people off and while I am sure he is content to allow us our opinions, mass market ads like this do come off as pretentious and zealous

[bpc]

Having said that, I do believe that medical reasons are a lot different then saying I don't want a child right now.

Just wanted to make sure people don't think I am against abortion in all cases. Just that I think a lot of bad comes from doing them at the rate we do. It's like an un-natural population control that IMO could eventually mean the end of the American way of life.

I agree that there are special circumstances in regards to some pregancy's.

[bpc]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/TheCall08_0003.jpg

Heartbreaking.

[DBruleU]

While I agree there would likely be more controversy if a pro-choice comercial aired or a gay marriage spot, I still like the kid for being a solid role model and student athlete. But pretentiousness turns alot of people off and while I am sure he is content to allow us our opinions, mass market ads like this do come off as pretentious and zealous

I'm trying to figure out what is seen as pretentious? It doesn't come across as if Tebow is doing this for his own glory here.

Look, my grandmother was advised to abort my dad as well due to difficulties during the pregnancy, but she chose to give birth to my dad anyway and it's a good thing she did because I wouldn't be here.

[SPfloppy]

^Don't misunderstand me. I am saying that just as religious people out there would support this(and non-religious pro-life folks) there are people who view and would view this and similar spots as religion being pushed on us. Abortion is and always will be a hot-button. I myself and unconcerned with perception and offending anyone as I hate the overly PC tone our nation has taken over the years, however I was merley pointing out that it would surley draw the ire of the pro-choice world. No offense meant

[DBruleU]

Understood.

I look at it the same way you do. Tired of the PC police in this country. People's feelings are hurt way too easily now, and when they are, the way they deal with it is shutting those down who they don't agree with.

[El Minion]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/17/tim-tebow-mothers-super-b_n_426673.html?show_comment_id=38316936#comment_3 8316936

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Tim Tebow is taking his star power to sport's biggest stage.

The former Florida quarterback and his mother will appear in a 30-second commercial during the Super Bowl next month. The Christian group Focus on the Family says the Tebows will share a personal story centering on the theme "Celebrate Family, Celebrate Life."

The group isn't releasing details, but the commercial is likely to be an anti-abortion message chronicling Pam Tebow's 1987 pregnancy. After getting sick during a mission trip to the Philippines, she ignored a recommendation by doctors to abort her fifth child and gave birth to Tim.

The 2007 Heisman Trophy winner ended his college career with several NCAA, Southeastern Conference and school records, and two national championships. Tebow also has been very involved in his family's Christian-based ministry.

Jim Daly, president and CEO of Focus on the Family, said the commercial comes at a time when "families need to be inspired."

"Tim and Pam share our respect for life and our passion for helping families thrive," Daly said. "Focus on the Family is about ... strengthening families by empowering them with the tools they need to live lives rooted in morals and values."

Thirty-second commercials during the Super Bowl are selling for between $2.5 million and $2.8 million. Daly said all the funds for the ad came from a handful of "very generous and committed friends," and that no money from the group's general fund was used.

"Now that the ad has been shot, we're excited to tell people it's coming because the Tebows' story is such an important one for our culture to hear," he said. "You won't want to miss it."


Pretty amazing story. I never knew. Good for the Tebow family.

Like proper family planning, like when to start and prepare to build a stable home environment for a child and when to recognize when not to or when not prepared. Not every pregnancy comes with Tebow ready parents and resources to raise a Tim Tebow, like having the ability to choose where to live in Florida so Tim can play at the school of his choice after being home schooled by his mother that didn't need to work to make ends meet.

From the U of Chicago, not exactly a Keynesian economics school of thought:

––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
THE IMPACT OF LEGALIZED ABORTION ON CRIME (http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf)*
JOHN J. DONOHUE III AND STEVEN D. LEVITT

We offer evidence that legalized abortion has contributed signiŽcantly to
recent crime reductions. Crime began to fall roughly eighteen years after abortion
legalization. The Žve states that allowed abortion in 1970 experienced declines
earlier than the rest of the nation, which legalized in 1973 with Roe v. Wade.
States with high abortion rates in the 1970s and 1980s experienced greater crime
reductions in the 1990s. In high abortion states, only arrests of those born after
abortion legalization fall relative to low abortion states. Legalized abortion appears
to account for as much as 50 percent of the recent drop in crime.

I. INTRODUCTION
Since 1991, the United States has experienced the sharpest
drop in murder rates since the end of Prohibition in 1933. Homicide
rates have fallen more than 40 percent. Violent crime and
property crime have each declined more than 30 percent.


VI. CONCLUSION
We know that teenagers, unmarried women, and poor women
are most likely to deem a pregnancy to be either mistimed or
unwanted, and that a large proportion of these unintended pregnancies
will be terminated through abortion.36 According to a
recent National Academy report, there appears to be “a causal
and adverse effect of early childbearing on the health and social
and economic well-being of children; this effect is over and above
the important effects of background disadvantages” [Institute of
Medicine 1995, p. 58]. Moreover, unintended pregnancies are
associated with poorer prenatal care, greater smoking and drinking
during pregnancy, and lower birthweights. Consequently, the
life chances of children who are born only because their mothers
could not have an abortion are considerably dampened relative to
babies who were wanted at the time of conception. The drop in the
proportion of unwanted births during the 1970s and early 1980s
appears to be the result of the increasing availability and resort
to abortion.

The evidence we present is consistent with legalized abortion
reducing crime rates with a twenty-year lag. Our results suggest
that an increase of 100 abortions per 1000 live births reduces a
cohort’s crime by roughly 10 percent. Extrapolating our results
out of sample to a counterfactual in which abortion remained
illegal and the number of illegal abortions performed remained
steady at the 1960s level, we estimate that (with average national
effective abortion rates in 1997 for all three crimes ranging from
between 142 and 252) crime was almost 15–25 percent lower in
1997 than it would have been absent legalized abortion.
These estimates suggest that legalized abortion is a primary
explanation for the large drops in murder, property crime, and
violent crime that our nation has experienced over the last decade.
Indeed, legalized abortion may account for as much as
one-half of the overall crime reduction. Assuming that this claim
is correct, existing estimates of the costs of crime (e.g., Miller,
Cohen, and Rossman [1993] suggest that the social beneŽt to
reduced crime as a result of abortion may be on the order of $30
billion dollars annually. Increased imprisonment between 1991 and 1997
(the prison population rose about 50 percent over this period)
lowered crime 10 percent based on an elasticity of 2 .20.
Thus, together abortion and prison growth explain much, if not
all, of the decrease in crime.37

Roughly half of the crimes committed in the United States
are done by individuals born prior to the legalization of abortion.
As these older cohorts age out of criminality and are replaced by
younger offenders born after abortion became legal, we would
predict that crime rates will continue to fall. When a steady state
is reached roughly twenty years from now, the impact of abortion
will be roughly twice as great as the impact felt so far. Our results
suggest that all else equal, legalized abortion will account for
persistent declines of 1 percent a year in crime over the next two
decades. To the extent that the Hyde Amendment effectively
restricted access to abortion, however, this prediction might be
overly optimistic.

While falling crime rates are no doubt a positive development,
our drawing a link between falling crime and legalized
abortion should not be misinterpreted as either an endorsement
of abortion or a call for intervention by the state in the fertility
decisions of women. Furthermore, equivalent reductions in crime
could in principle be obtained through alternatives for abortion,
such as more effective birth control, or providing better environments
for those children at greatest risk for future crime.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Understood.

I look at it the same way you do. Tired of the PC police in this country. People's feelings are hurt way too easily now, and when they are, the way they deal with it is shutting those down who they don't agree with.

Abortion is one of those issues that needs to be looked square in the eye. If you show a person what it is, they run away from it because they dont want to confront the harsh reality of it. That was my first clue that there was something wrong. Then the more I looked at the details, the more I learned in college in my biology curriculum, the more I began to appreciate the motherly side of women...the more it disgusted me.

This issue is one that people hide behind buzzwords like "choice" and "womens rights", but the reality of the issue is extremely destructive and harmful to women and their children.

[yavoon]

Like proper family planning, like when to start and prepare to build a stable home environment for a child and when to recognize when not to or when not prepared. Not every pregnancy comes with Tebow ready parents and resources to raise a Tim Tebow, like having the ability to choose where to live in Florida so Tim can play at the school of his choice after being home schooled by his mother that didn't need to work to make ends meet.

From the U of Chicago, not exactly a Keynesian economics school of thought:

––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
THE IMPACT OF LEGALIZED ABORTION ON CRIME (http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf)*
JOHN J. DONOHUE III AND STEVEN D. LEVITT

We offer evidence that legalized abortion has contributed signiŽcantly to
recent crime reductions. Crime began to fall roughly eighteen years after abortion
legalization. The Žve states that allowed abortion in 1970 experienced declines
earlier than the rest of the nation, which legalized in 1973 with Roe v. Wade.
States with high abortion rates in the 1970s and 1980s experienced greater crime
reductions in the 1990s. In high abortion states, only arrests of those born after
abortion legalization fall relative to low abortion states. Legalized abortion appears
to account for as much as 50 percent of the recent drop in crime.

I. INTRODUCTION
Since 1991, the United States has experienced the sharpest
drop in murder rates since the end of Prohibition in 1933. Homicide
rates have fallen more than 40 percent. Violent crime and
property crime have each declined more than 30 percent.


VI. CONCLUSION
We know that teenagers, unmarried women, and poor women
are most likely to deem a pregnancy to be either mistimed or
unwanted, and that a large proportion of these unintended pregnancies
will be terminated through abortion.36 According to a
recent National Academy report, there appears to be “a causal
and adverse effect of early childbearing on the health and social
and economic well-being of children; this effect is over and above
the important effects of background disadvantages” [Institute of
Medicine 1995, p. 58]. Moreover, unintended pregnancies are
associated with poorer prenatal care, greater smoking and drinking
during pregnancy, and lower birthweights. Consequently, the
life chances of children who are born only because their mothers
could not have an abortion are considerably dampened relative to
babies who were wanted at the time of conception. The drop in the
proportion of unwanted births during the 1970s and early 1980s
appears to be the result of the increasing availability and resort
to abortion.

The evidence we present is consistent with legalized abortion
reducing crime rates with a twenty-year lag. Our results suggest
that an increase of 100 abortions per 1000 live births reduces a
cohort’s crime by roughly 10 percent. Extrapolating our results
out of sample to a counterfactual in which abortion remained
illegal and the number of illegal abortions performed remained
steady at the 1960s level, we estimate that (with average national
effective abortion rates in 1997 for all three crimes ranging from
between 142 and 252) crime was almost 15–25 percent lower in
1997 than it would have been absent legalized abortion.
These estimates suggest that legalized abortion is a primary
explanation for the large drops in murder, property crime, and
violent crime that our nation has experienced over the last decade.
Indeed, legalized abortion may account for as much as
one-half of the overall crime reduction. Assuming that this claim
is correct, existing estimates of the costs of crime (e.g., Miller,
Cohen, and Rossman [1993] suggest that the social beneŽt to
reduced crime as a result of abortion may be on the order of $30
billion dollars annually. Increased imprisonment between 1991 and 1997
(the prison population rose about 50 percent over this period)
lowered crime 10 percent based on an elasticity of 2 .20.
Thus, together abortion and prison growth explain much, if not
all, of the decrease in crime.37

Roughly half of the crimes committed in the United States
are done by individuals born prior to the legalization of abortion.
As these older cohorts age out of criminality and are replaced by
younger offenders born after abortion became legal, we would
predict that crime rates will continue to fall. When a steady state
is reached roughly twenty years from now, the impact of abortion
will be roughly twice as great as the impact felt so far. Our results
suggest that all else equal, legalized abortion will account for
persistent declines of 1 percent a year in crime over the next two
decades. To the extent that the Hyde Amendment effectively
restricted access to abortion, however, this prediction might be
overly optimistic.

While falling crime rates are no doubt a positive development,
our drawing a link between falling crime and legalized
abortion should not be misinterpreted as either an endorsement
of abortion or a call for intervention by the state in the fertility
decisions of women. Furthermore, equivalent reductions in crime
could in principle be obtained through alternatives for abortion,
such as more effective birth control, or providing better environments
for those children at greatest risk for future crime.

some people don't believe murdering unborn children to reduce the crime rate is an acceptable moral decision. though I suppose as long as we're talking about slaughtering people who might be future criminals for societal good, I got some really ****ing good ideas in that direction.

[epicSocialism4tw]

some people don't believe murdering unborn children to reduce the crime rate is an acceptable moral decision. though I suppose as long as we're talking about slaughtering people who might be future criminals for societal good, I got some really ****ing good ideas in that direction.

:spit:

[ghwk]

Strawman.

Bulls**T. Seriously while you are posting up all those heartbreaking cards and if you feel so strongly about it why don't you adopt? Why don't all those anti abortionists save the woman from potential remorse and offer to take care of the child until she is able to? It would be a great moral and caring thing to do. No you can't abort but I'm also not going to help you adopt by adopting your child and as a matter of fact my party will work towards cutting the funding from every social source of relief you may need to have a successful pregnancy and a shot at giving this kid a life. It's kind of a NIMBY thing. You want to tell a woman what to do then then walk away from the rest of the problem. Nice.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Bulls**T. Seriously while you are posting up all those heartbreaking cards and if you feel so strongly about it why don't you adopt? Why don't all those anti abortionists save the woman from potential remorse and offer to take care of the child until she is able to? It would be a great moral and caring thing to do. No you can't abort but I'm also not going to help you adopt by adopting your child and as a matter of fact my party will work towards cutting the funding from every social source of relief you may need to have a successful pregnancy and a shot at giving this kid a life. It's kind of a NIMBY thing. You want to tell a woman what to do then then walk away from the rest of the problem. Nice.

I have never met a non-religious family who has adopted children. However, off hand I can think of 9 families that I am friends with who have adopted one or more American and/or international kids. They are all Christians.

There are boucoups religious adoption services. Jewish, Christian, Mormon, you name it.

The idea that "if you want them alive, then you take care of them" is not only cruel and inhumane, but comes from an uninformed opinion.

[yavoon]

Bulls**T. Seriously while you are posting up all those heartbreaking cards and if you feel so strongly about it why don't you adopt? Why don't all those anti abortionists save the woman from potential remorse and offer to take care of the child until she is able to? It would be a great moral and caring thing to do. No you can't abort but I'm also not going to help you adopt by adopting your child and as a matter of fact my party will work towards cutting the funding from every social source of relief you may need to have a successful pregnancy and a shot at giving this kid a life. It's kind of a NIMBY thing. You want to tell a woman what to do then then walk away from the rest of the problem. Nice.

those assholes who want to stop children from being murdered. horrible people, all of them. I think we should extend abortion till the age of 2, and if anyone objects force them to adopt the children that the mothers want to drown. otherwise they have no moral right to object about anything.

[ghwk]

I have never met a non-religious family who has adopted children. However, off hand I can think of 9 families that I am friends with who have adopted one or more American and/or international kids. They are all Christians.

There are boucoups religious adoption services. Jewish, Christian, Mormon, you name it.

The idea that "if you want them alive, then you take care of them" is not only cruel and inhumane, but comes from an uninformed opinion.

I also know people who are not religious who have adopted. So what is your point there, you only know religious people? And how humane is "I will tell you what to do with your body regardless of whether you can care for this child or not, AND I will use my religious beliefs to make political choices that undercut the services you and your child need to have a chance. WTF?? Don't lecture me on "uniformed" when the viewpoint you support is based on hypocrisy.

[epicSocialism4tw]

And how humane is "I will tell you what to do with your body regardless of whether you can care for this child or not, AND I will use my religious beliefs to make political choices that undercut the services you and your child need to have a chance.

That child is a passenger in that womb. The mother is the steward of the life.

I think that you should probably take a look at the adoption services out there before you start advocating something as vicious and devastating as abortion.

In fact, simply advocating abortion as a choice as to what someone "can do with their body" is not only selfish, but it is also brutally animalistic, shallow, and irresponsible.

[Requiem]

Just curious McSkillet, how aware are you of adoption services? Hardly acquainted.

[bpc]

I think every time a person has an abortion, it must just kill part of your soul... I mean, what a demoralizing position to be in... taking the life of your own child, flesh and blood.

I think it must rival robbing graves, crypts or something along those lines.

I dated a girl back in college who had a abortion earlier in her life. I never passed judgement, because those are her demons but she's recently found that her body isn't functioning properly, can't have babies. I wouldn't wish that on anybody, but karma is a bitch. Sometimes when you abuse it, you lose it.

I bet there isn't a day that goes by where she doesn't go by where she doesn't regret it now.

[barryr]

Tebow was well liked before this, but is now an enemy of the left and will wish him the worst in the NFL. Glad they are so tolerant of other views as they claim. They believe Tebow should keep that to himself, but we all have to listen and respect the liberal point of view on all subjects and are intolerant, haters if we don't. Hypocrisy? Nah, they don't do that on every issue.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bulls**T. Seriously while you are posting up all those heartbreaking cards and if you feel so strongly about it why don't you adopt? Why don't all those anti abortionists save the woman from potential remorse and offer to take care of the child until she is able to? It would be a great moral and caring thing to do. No you can't abort but I'm also not going to help you adopt by adopting your child and as a matter of fact my party will work towards cutting the funding from every social source of relief you may need to have a successful pregnancy and a shot at giving this kid a life. It's kind of a NIMBY thing. You want to tell a woman what to do then then walk away from the rest of the problem. Nice.

This.

It never ceases to amaze me how snake handlers and right-wingnuts like McDramaQueen, as evidenced by their politics, "care" so much about potential lives but couldn't give a tinker's f_ck less about the plight of actual living children who are less fortunate than themselves.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Cant agree with you on that one , he has the right to speak his point of view , just like everyone else ......
May not agree with him , but he has that right

Yes, he has the right to go on national TV and advertise his ignorance.

Anyone who thinks the issue of abortion can be reduced to absolute, black-or-white terms is either extremely stupid or just plain delusional.

[Requiem]

Sometimes when you abuse it, you lose it.

Might want to keep this in mind for yourself in regards to all aspects of your life. "Karma is a bitch."

[Garcia Bronco]

Holy Roller Come-to-Jesus Tebow just play Football and stop wearing your religion and your abortion views on your SLEEVE!

LOL...all about freedom to expression...but only when people express what you want to hear. The foundation of tyrants.

[Garcia Bronco]

Rasta=no credibility

Whats amusingly stupid is Rastafari is a religion.

[Rohirrim]

Man, I just hope the Broncos don't draft this friggin zealot.

[Garcia Bronco]

Man, I just hope the Broncos don't draft this friggin zealot.

He'd probably be too disciplined and too good a role model for the kids of Denver.

[Rohirrim]

"I have been chosen!"

http://weblogs.asp.net/blogs/bsimser/ToyStoryLittleGreenMenwithoutclaw753073_5A7891A5.j pg

[TailgateNut]

That child is a passenger in that womb. The mother is the steward of the life.

I think that you should probably take a look at the adoption services out there before you start advocating something as vicious and devastating as abortion.

In fact, simply advocating abortion as a choice as to what someone "can do with their body" is not only selfish, but it is also brutally animalistic, shallow, and irresponsible.




.....and who gave you the right to negate the rights and judge people who aren't breaking the laws of this country?

Change the laws or STFU!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Man, I just hope the Broncos don't draft this friggin zealot.
Exactly! Hey pro athletes, keep your religious and political views (no matter WHAT they are) to yourself!!!

[Beantown Bronco]

I think Trojan or Planned Parenthood should buy up the spot right after this one.

[Doggcow]

Having said that, I do believe that medical reasons are a lot different then saying I don't want a child right now.

Just wanted to make sure people don't think I am against abortion in all cases. Just that I think a lot of bad comes from doing them at the rate we do. It's like an un-natural population control that IMO could eventually mean the end of the American way of life.

The end is coming soon. The Earth cannot sustain this rate of population growth.

Tebow family is probably going to start seeing their worst fears come to life in a matter of decades.

[yavoon]

Man, I just hope the Broncos don't draft this friggin zealot.

best to pickup gangsters and wifebeaters instead. we can't countenance people who dislike abortion.

[Rohirrim]

best to pickup gangsters and wifebeaters instead. we can't countenance people who dislike abortion.

Yeah, because that's our only two choices. Simpleton.

Tebow's in the wrong line of work. He wants to be a missionary, not a QB. He should go do that.

[yavoon]

Yeah, because that's our only two choices. Simpleton.

Tebow's in the wrong line of work. He wants to be a missionary, not a QB. He should go do that.

no, but we got plenty of them, so do other nfl teams. unless you're gna go create bunches of threads to throw out all the misfits and malcontents then its absurd to go after tebow, who is neither.

[bpc]

Might want to keep this in mind for yourself in regards to all aspects of your life. "Karma is a b****."

I think i'll be alright. I'm true to my wife... love my kid(s)... enjoy time at home and hanging with family and friends. Go to church on Sundays and I am a proud patriot of the United States of America.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

best to pickup gangsters and wifebeaters instead. we can't countenance people who dislike abortion.You seemed to have not heard the news, Shanahan (a strong supporter of the Right Wing) is no longer coaching the Broncos.

[ghwk]

those a-holes who want to stop children from being murdered. horrible people, all of them. I think we should extend abortion till the age of 2, and if anyone objects force them to adopt the children that the mothers want to drown. otherwise they have no moral right to object about anything.

Yavoon neither you or McFrypan even understood the point I was making about the hypocrisy of the anti abortionist and the conservative agenda of "it's your mistake you live with it while I cut funding to the services designed to give you and your kid a shot."

McFrypan never really did get that or respond to it, instead he made up things about the posts that were never stated.

You two are so good at missing the point, especially skillet, that I've come to the conclusion you don't even know you are missing the point.

Congrats, you two are the Mane's version of George Bush with comparible ability like his to synthesize information and understand what other people write.

bpc

I love also how you validate your position and yourself with I go to church every Sunday and am a patriot. As long as you have those two things you really don't need to understand anything else.

[Doggcow]

On another note, Tebow will be better than the guy in BPC's profile picture.

[ghwk]

I think every time a person has an abortion, it must just kill part of your soul... I mean, what a demoralizing position to be in... taking the life of your own child, flesh and blood.

I think it must rival robbing graves, crypts or something along those lines.

I dated a girl back in college who had a abortion earlier in her life. I never passed judgement, because those are her demons but she's recently found that her body isn't functioning properly, can't have babies. I wouldn't wish that on anybody, but karma is a b****. Sometimes when you abuse it, you lose it.

I bet there isn't a day that goes by where she doesn't go by where she doesn't regret it now.

I also bet that with your FU you deserve it version of kharma that a day doesn't go by where she isn't glad she didn't end up with you. I guess you don't realize that with your khama and abuse it you lose it statement you did in fact pass judgement. What a treat it was for this girl to have dated you.

Riddle me this. Of all the women who have had abortions why was she singled out for khamic punishment? Just so you could have a post on the mane years later?

[yavoon]

Rohirrim is right you are a simpleton. Neither you or McFrypan even understood the point I was making about the hypocrisy of the anti abortionist and the conservative agenda of "it's your mistake you live with it while I cut funding to the services designed to give you and your kid a shot."

McFrypan never really did get that or respond to it, instead he made up things about the posts that were never stated.

You two are so good at missing the point, especially skillet, that I've come to the conclusion you don't even know you are missing the point.

Congrats, you two are the Mane's version of George Bush with comparible ability like his to synthesize information and understand what other people write. I love also how you validate your position and yourself with I go to church every Sunday and am a patriot. As long as you have those two things you really don't need to understand anything else.

people disagreeing with your idiocy isn't them "missing the point."

I see what you're problem is though, you're a moron. I don't goto church. perhaps you need to practice reading comprehension. honestly please go away for a while, refine your meaningless logic and learn some reading comprehension, then you can come back and not embarrass yourself.

[ghwk]

people disagreeing with your idiocy isn't them "missing the point."

I see what you're problem is though, you're a moron. I don't goto church. perhaps you need to practice reading comprehension. honestly please go away for a while, refine your meaningless logic and learn some reading comprehension, then you can come back and not embarrass yourself.

I did mix you and bpc on the patriot post, apologies for that and fixed.

Other than that however where is the idiocy in the position, simply because you don't agree with it? At least I didn't pose the issue as binary as in your post to Rohhirim, ergo simpleton.

[TailgateNut]

I think i'll be alright. I'm true to my wife... love my kid(s)... enjoy time at home and hanging with family and friends. Go to church on Sundays and I am a proud patriot of the United States of America.

Are you a "christian"?

[yavoon]

I did mix you and bpc on the patriot post, apologies for that.

Other than that however where is the idiocy in the position, simply because you don't agree with it? At least I didn't pose the issue as binary as in your post to Rohhirim, ergo simpleton.

I already responded to it. to put it simple less interesting terms, you're trying to emotionally blackmail people who consider killing unborn children to be murder, by doing what? forcing them to adopt all the children that the mothers want to slaughter? like I said earlier, why not extend the abortion age to 2, and force anyone who disagrees to adopt any child a mother wants to drown.

murder is murder, it's not justified by having a hard life, or having the life be an inconvenience to your future plans.

basically you're a giant idiot, peddling simplistic, barbaric and selfish logic. this thread was so much nicer with the posted images of baby shoes given by mournful mothers and without hyper aggressive zealouts like you that need to lash out.

[ghwk]

I already responded to it. to put it simple less interesting terms, you're trying to emotionally blackmail people who consider killing unborn children to be murder, by doing what? forcing them to adopt all the children that the mothers want to slaughter? like I said earlier, why not extend the abortion age to 2, and force anyone who disagrees to adopt any child a mother wants to drown.

murder is murder, it's not justified by having a hard life, or having the life be an inconvenience to your future plans.

basically you're a giant idiot, peddling simplistic, barbaric and selfish logic. this thread was so much nicer with the posted images of baby shoes given by mournful mothers and without hyper aggressive zealouts like you that need to lash out.

Gee no emotional blackmail or zealot like postion in any of that post for the unwed mother is there? Once again the hypocracy is mind blowing.

[yavoon]

Gee no emotional blackmail or zealot like postion in any of that post for the unwed mother is there? Once again the hypocracy is mind blowing.

are you saying its justifiable for unwed mothers(but I guess not wed mothers?) to murder their unborn children? honestly your entire arguments are all but beneath contempt. I guess the best I can ask for is you to call me a hypocrite and go away.

[TailgateNut]

are you saying its justifiable for unwed mothers(but I guess not wed mothers?) to murder their unborn children? honestly your entire arguments are all but beneath contempt. I guess the best I can ask for is you to call me a hypocrite and go away.


If they are committing murder, why aren't they being charged with a crime?

[ghwk]

are you saying its justifiable for unwed mothers(but I guess not wed mothers?) to murder their unborn children? honestly your entire arguments are all but beneath contempt. I guess the best I can ask for is you to call me a hypocrite and go away.

I never made any statement as justifiable or not in any post. Once again you never got my point or understood what I was saying originally. This does reinforce the simpleton comment however.

[yavoon]

I never made any statement as justifiable or not in any post. Once again you never got my point or understood what I was saying originally. This does reinforce the simpleton comment however.

blah blah blah insult, blah blah blah. you're boring and illiterate.

[ghwk]

blah blah blah insult, blah blah blah. you're boring and illiterate.

Hilarious!

[yavoon]

If they are committing murder, why aren't they being charged with a crime?

why weren't people who murdered their slaves charged with a crime?

because it wasn't illegal.

glad I could be of help.

[ghwk]

blah blah blah insult, blah blah blah. you're boring and illiterate.

Ok Mr. literate show me my quote where I stated it was justifiable or not?

[TailgateNut]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/17/tim-tebow-mothers-super-b_n_426673.html?show_comment_id=38316936#comment_3 8316936

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Tim Tebow is taking his star power to sport's biggest stage.

The former Florida quarterback and his mother will appear in a 30-second commercial during the Super Bowl next month. The Christian group Focus on the Family says the Tebows will share a personal story centering on the theme "Celebrate Family, Celebrate Life."

The group isn't releasing details, but the commercial is likely to be an anti-abortion message chronicling Pam Tebow's 1987 pregnancy. After getting sick during a mission trip to the Philippines, she ignored a recommendation by doctors to abort her fifth child and gave birth to Tim.

The 2007 Heisman Trophy winner ended his college career with several NCAA, Southeastern Conference and school records, and two national championships. Tebow also has been very involved in his family's Christian-based ministry.

Jim Daly, president and CEO of Focus on the Family, said the commercial comes at a time when "families need to be inspired."

"Tim and Pam share our respect for life and our passion for helping families thrive," Daly said. "Focus on the Family is about ... strengthening families by empowering them with the tools they need to live lives rooted in morals and values."
Thirty-second commercials during the Super Bowl are selling for between $2.5 million and $2.8 million. Daly said all the funds for the ad came from a handful of "very generous and committed friends," and that no money from the group's general fund was used.

"Now that the ad has been shot, we're excited to tell people it's coming because the Tebows' story is such an important one for our culture to hear," he said. "You won't want to miss it."


Pretty amazing story. I never knew. Good for the Tebow family.


How assinine of this group to talk about family values and morals when one of their SUPER DADS admitted to hiring a male prostitute and doing drugs while married with children.

Great Family Values!!!Hilarious!

All these "Christians" want to prevent abortions, but once the child is born they are free game for the preachers to abuse.

****ing hypocrites!

[Rohirrim]

If God is helping guys make field goals why can't he stop all the baby killing?

[TailgateNut]

why weren't people who murdered their slaves charged with a crime?

because it wasn't illegal.

glad I could be of help.

Now that we've cleared THAT up, take your "better than thou attitude" and shove it.

[ghwk]

All these "Christians" want to prevent abortions, but once the child is born they are free game for the preachers to abuse.

Damn. Even I have to say that is a stretch...;D

[yavoon]

Ok Mr. literate show me my quote where I stated it was justifiable or not?

why did you qualify it with unwed mothers if you think all mothers murdering their unborn children is just fine and dandy? I almost didn't reply, its pretty obvious your a zealout trying to flame people you dislike in this thread with moronic logic like "if you don't want them murdering unborn children you shoudl be forced to adopt all the children." I don't know in what nutter community you come from that that's a super awesome statement, but in sane land it's barbaric, selfish and cruel.

[yavoon]

Now that we've cleared THAT up, take your "better than thou attitude" and shove it.

really? you've never held a moral position that wasn't in direct line with the law? somehow I think you're a lying sack of ****.

[TailgateNut]

Damn. Even I have to say that is a stretch...;D

Bull****. They want to lock onto something that isn't against the law, while protecting and harboring their "own" who break the laws.

****ing HYPOCRITES! The whole damn lot of them.

[TailgateNut]

really? you've never held a moral position that wasn't in direct line with the law? somehow I think you're a lying sack of ****.


I'm not the one attempting to enforce laws which don't exist due to my moral beliefs.

[yavoon]

http://www.acrywithoutavoice.com/_images/TheCall08_0003.jpg

to put some beauty back in the thread after it has been invaded by hyper zealouts like tailgatenut and ghwk.

[ghwk]

Dude you really are dense. Once again I will restate: my whole point was about the hypocracy of the moral arguement and the politics supported by the conservative right that undermine the services for the very people they are trying to "save". It's the conservative/anti-abortionist logic that is moronic on this issue.

Do you get that and we can call it a day?

[yavoon]

I'm not the one attempting to enforce laws which don't exist due to my moral beliefs.

which of course I don't do. you sad, pathetic, liar.

[ghwk]

Bull****. They want to lock onto something that isn't against the law, while protecting and harboring their "own" who break the laws.

****ing HYPOCRITES! The whole damn lot of them.

I only meant the save them for predatory preachers part was a stretch. I really don't think that is part of the agenda.

[yavoon]

Dude you really are dense. Once again I will restate: my whole point was about the hypocracy of the moral arguement and the politics supported by the conservative right that undermine the services for the very people they are trying to "save". It's the conservative/anti-abortionist logic that is moronic on this issue.

Do you get that and we can call it a day?

your argument is...again...moronic. murdering unborn children is not justified by inconvenience and it shouldn't be bribed away by some welfare payment. I'm trying to imagine the callous hateful human being you are in real life, but I'm having a hard time coming up with something sufficiently nasty.

all I can think of is whatever little nutter group you come from where this is super awesome logic, please just use it there. because it's barbaric, selfish and vicious logic out here.

[TailgateNut]

to put some beauty back in the thread after it has been invaded by hyper zealouts like tailgatenut and ghwk.

How quaint.

Do the Preachers send out thank you notes to the parents of the children they abuse? ....and do the parishioners send out apologies to them for allowing their "men in robes" to do their dirty little deeds?

NO, they just buy their way out of the legal consequences with tax free funds collected from the cult.

[yavoon]

How quaint.

Do the Preachers send out thank you notes to the parents of the children they abuse? ....and do the parishioners send out apologies to them for allowing their "men in robes" to do their dirty little deeds?

NO, they just buy their way out of the legal consequences with tax free funds collected from the cult.

not religious. you crazy zealot. though it is becoming funny how the two nutters in this thread continuously argue against some imaginary person. so rabid they can't even contain their nuttery long enough to suit the argument to the person they're responding to.

[ghwk]

your argument is...again...moronic. murdering unborn children is not justified by inconvenience and it shouldn't be bribed away by some welfare payment. I'm trying to imagine the callous hateful human being you are in real life, but I'm having a hard time coming up with something sufficiently nasty.

all I can think of is whatever little nutter group you come from where this is super awesome logic, please just use it there. because it's barbaric, selfish and vicious logic out here.

So the "you must not abort your baby but I don't believe in social welfare" position of anti abortion conservatives is perfectly logical to you?

[TailgateNut]

not religious. you crazy zealot. though it is becoming funny how the two nutters in this thread continuously argue against some imaginary person. so rabid they can't even contain their nuttery long enough to suit the argument to the person they're responding to.


So, I'm a "nutter" because I point out the hypocracy of a "cult" which wants others to see them as caring, but is at the same time complicit in the crimes commited by their own.

[yavoon]

So the "you must not abort your baby but I don't believe in social welfare" position of anti abortion conservatives is perfectly logical to you?

yes, you are not allowed to murder people out of social convenience. the social welfare position is entirely separate, or should be to any even moderately sane person. you can be for or against numerous, all, some, or none of what is considered social welfare and have no moral impact on your abortion stance.

what abortion should come down to for people who aren't zealots like you is whether or not the child inside the mother is a person. that is the issue, not how much money you're going to pay someone in hopes they don't murder someone else, that's callous and frankly pretty ****ing evil.

[yavoon]

So, I'm a "nutter" because I point out the hypocracy of a "cult" which wants others to see them as caring, but is at the same time complicit in the crimes commited by their own.

no you're a nutter because you're so crazy you can't even stop long enough to comport your arguments with the person you're responding to. everything is just autofire zealotry.

[rastaman]

why did you qualify it with unwed mothers if you think all mothers murdering their unborn children is just fine and dandy? I almost didn't reply, its pretty obvious your a zealout trying to flame people you dislike in this thread with moronic logic like "if you don't want them murdering unborn children you shoudl be forced to adopt all the children." I don't know in what nutter community you come from that that's a super awesome statement, but in sane land it's barbaric, selfish and cruel.

Take a deep breath you high maintenance idiot. Since when is any life guaranteed! All you anti-abortion freaks should be made by law to go around and adopt all the children who are scheduled to meet their maker with the scalpel or vacum cleaner.

You Abortion Freaks can cry, biatch, moan and How at the Moon over the abortion issues in theis country.....but when the dust all settles it all comes down to a womans right to choose. Its their body and their choice! Males nor Fathers have no control over a woman's reproductive rights. So you guys need to mind your own business; and follow the old rule --- If You Don't Belileve in Abortions......DON'T HAVE ANY ABORTIONS. See how simple this is?

[ghwk]

yes, you are not allowed to murder people out of social convenience. the social welfare position is entirely separate, or should be to any even moderately sane person. you can be for or against numerous, all, some, or none of what is considered social welfare and have no moral impact on your abortion stance.

what abortion should come down to for people who aren't zealots like you is whether or not the child inside the mother is a person. that is the issue, not how much money you're going to pay someone in hopes they don't murder someone else, that's callous and frankly pretty ****ing evil.

So as long as you meet your moral imperative the short and long term ramifications of having met that are basically irrelavent because you can in you mind seperate the religious and political issues. I see. Black and White. I just think you are taking the easy way out. I wouldn't exempt yourself from the zealot label btw.

[rastaman]

yes, you are not allowed to murder people out of social convenience. the social welfare position is entirely separate, or should be to any even moderately sane person. you can be for or against numerous, all, some, or none of what is considered social welfare and have no moral impact on your abortion stance.

what abortion should come down to for people who aren't zealots like you is whether or not the child inside the mother is a person. that is the issue, not how much money you're going to pay someone in hopes they don't murder someone else, that's callous and frankly pretty ****ing evil.

If people are really concerned about saving babies, they should take the money they spend on ads like this and pay for prenatal care for women in 3rd world countries.

I'm not being flip--money for healthcare for impoverished women would save far more babies than the $ they're spending on this ad.

But of course, it's got nothing to do with saving babies, does it?

[Rohirrim]

What round do you think Tebow will go in?

[rastaman]

What round do you think Tebow will go in?

I predict both Tebow's and Colt Two-Gun McCoy will both be drafted in the "Holy Roller Round"! :sunshine:

[Garcia Bronco]

Take a deep breath you high maintenance idiot. Since when is any life guaranteed! All you anti-abortion freaks should be made by law to go around and adopt all the children who are scheduled to meet their maker with the scalpel or vacum cleaner.

You Abortion Freaks can cry, biatch, moan and How at the Moon over the abortion issues in theis country.....but when the dust all settles it all comes down to a womans right to choose. Its their body and their choice! Males nor Fathers have no control over a woman's reproductive rights. So you guys need to mind your own business; and follow the old rule --- If You Don't Belileve in Abortions......DON'T HAVE ANY ABORTIONS. See how simple this is?

Abortions are wrong and they are murder. If we followed your logic then it would be okay to kill anyone. But if you don't agree with killing then don't murder people. You are sorry and should feel grateful your mother didn't abort you.

[Garcia Bronco]

What round do you think Tebow will go in?

I think he's drafted in the second round as a TE.

[yavoon]

So as long as you meet your moral imperative the short and long term ramifications of having met that are basically irrelavent because you can in you mind seperate the religious and political issues. I see. Black and White. I just think you are taking the easy way out. I wouldn't exempt yourself from the zealot label btw.

murder for social convenience is not acceptable. If you think that murder for social convenience is acceptable than our moral values are so far apart that there is simply no way we're going to come to an understanding.

but like I said, for the non-zealots of the world being pro or anti-abortion should hinge on whether or not you consider the child inside the mother a person. welfare payments, crime rates, inconvenience, all are awful excuses to use for murder.

[Rohirrim]

I think he's drafted in the second round as a TE.

Nope. I think some team (maybe the Jags?) will take a gamble on him in the first. I just hope it's not us.

[yavoon]

I can see how one could be pro-abortion if they considered the child inside the mother to not be a human being. I disagree with that position, but at least it has logic to it.

being pro abortion because it will lower the crime rate, or you don't think enough money is being spent on our welfare state, or you hate religious people. that's just ****ing evil.

[Beantown Bronco]

How anyone can post here for years, see some of the absolute wastes of space that are out there, and not be in favor of abortion mystifies me.

[rastaman]

Abortions are wrong and they are murder. If we followed your logic then it would be okay to kill anyone. But if you don't agree with killing then don't murder people. You are sorry and should feel grateful your mother didn't abort you.

Do you support women to have control over their reproductive rights?

Do you support a Womens right to choose period?

You can cry until the cows come home but a womens right to choose and to have control and final say on their reproductive rights is "Settled Law"! and ROVE V WADE is the law of the land.

Yourself, Garcia, Yavoon, McSkillet, and any other anti-abortionist in this nation have every right to free speech, however should you morons try to use your free speech to protest for religious gains.....Pro Abortionist have every right to challenge your self centered ideological lunacies. So get over youselves.

Here's the reality, what makes me laugh (cry really) is that the "Pro-lifers" are also "Pro-Warmongers". Guess the term pro-life only applies to American babies, not the babies of people in other countries getting shot or blown up. What a pathetic group of hypocrites.

You never see these fools standing in line at Mt. St. Vincent wanting to adopt all the unwanted, abused children there. Once the child is born, they and their mothers are on their own. If the baby starves to death because the mom cant afford to feed it, oh well too bad thats Gods will.

[Garcia Bronco]

Exactly! Hey pro athletes, keep your religious and political views (no matter WHAT they are) to yourself!!!

What don't you keep your bigotry to yourself?

[Garcia Bronco]

Do you support women to have control over their reproductive rights?

Do you support a Womens right to choose period?



Certainly to a degree. However, there is a part of the equation you are neglecting(aka the male that fertilized the egg) You are also neglecting when the decision is made. If you engage in unprotected sex then you've already made the decision.

You are also neglecting that it's murder and will not stand before God.

[TailgateNut]

Certainly to a degree. However, there is a part of the equation you are neglecting(aka the male that fertilized the egg) You are also neglecting when the decision is made. If you engage in unprotected sex then you've already made the decision.

You are also neglecting that it's murder and will not stand before God.

Please cite the law which classifies this as murder, and why isn't anyone charged/ convicted.

[Garcia Bronco]

Please cite the law which classifies this as murder, and why isn't anyone charged/ convicted.



Murder: First Degree.


In most places, first-degree murder is defined as an unlawful killing that is both willful and premeditated.

[TailgateNut]

Murder: First Degree.


In most places, first-degree murder is defined as an unlawful killing that is both willful and premeditated.

I didn't ask you for your moral opinion. I asked for the specific law which defines abortion as MURDER!

I realize this may be to complicated for you, so please feel free to exit stage left!

[rastaman]

Certainly to a degree. However, there is a part of the equation you are neglecting(aka the male that fertilized the egg) You are also neglecting when the decision is made. If you engage in unprotected sex then you've already made the decision.

You are also neglecting that it's murder and will not stand before God.

I have found it bizarre that some of the most pro-war Americans are pro-lifers. To be passionate enough to protest on a street corner in the hopes that you might save lives is one thing. Yet for pro-lifers to consistently and enthusiastically vote for leaders whose foreign policies will admittedly lead to the deaths of thousands of civilians — women, children, babies — in order to achieve political objectives is something I cannot understand. "It's a Child Not a Choice"? How about "It's a Kid Not Collateral Damage"?

The pro-lifers in genereal all agree that when it comes to supporting the Iraq war, the ends justify the deadly means, and yet they dedicate their lives to convincing pregnant women that no matter how desperate their situation, deadly solutions are never acceptable. According to some pro-lifers, political objectives can be worth thousands of deaths, while individual objectives are never worth one.

Do you now see the hypocrisy.

[El Minion]

some people don't believe murdering unborn children to reduce the crime rate is an acceptable moral decision. though I suppose as long as we're talking about slaughtering people who might be future criminals for societal good, I got some really ****ing good ideas in that direction.

An embryo =/= a child, hence the medical term embryo

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/9-Week_Human_Embryo_from_Ectopic_Pregnancy.jpg/400px-9-Week_Human_Embryo_from_Ectopic_Pregnancy.jpg=/= http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/HumanNewborn.JPG/800px-HumanNewborn.JPG

[Garcia Bronco]

An embryo =/= a child, hence the medical term embryo

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/9-Week_Human_Embryo_from_Ectopic_Pregnancy.jpg/400px-9-Week_Human_Embryo_from_Ectopic_Pregnancy.jpg=/= http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/HumanNewborn.JPG/800px-HumanNewborn.JPG

Keep telling yourself that while you kill babies., That's between you and God.

[barryr]

What don't you keep your bigotry to yourself?

Nah, he's the tough internet guy who challenges people to a fight and posts some fake address for someone to supposedly come to his house and kick his ass. He's got mental issues.

[bpc]

An embryo =/= a child, hence the medical term embryo

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/9-Week_Human_Embryo_from_Ectopic_Pregnancy.jpg/400px-9-Week_Human_Embryo_from_Ectopic_Pregnancy.jpg=/= http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/HumanNewborn.JPG/800px-HumanNewborn.JPG

Does it have a heartbeat? Does it move and think?

These questions have been proven, emphatically, YES, and that means it is alive.

So if you take the life of something, just because it isn't fully developed yet, what does that make you?

The way you qualify the right to choice for the woman, while neglecting the life of this baby is beyond me, but it flashes a pretty huge light on your character and values.

[barryr]

What gets me are the sick****s who think partial birth abortion is just fine and the steps taken in that process.

They believe it's not murder, but at the same time, during this procedure, the baby is delivered feet first on purpose so the doctor can suck the brains out of the baby while it's head is still in the womb and can technically say, it wasn't born yet since the head was still inside.

But if not really murder, why would that matter? Wouldn't need such a technicality if really believed it wasn't murder.

Of course, once it's dead, what is it? A baby? A thing? Sick ****s and liars I might add. It's not murder, but look how the procedure is done to ensure in their minds that it isn't.

[bpc]

What gets me are the sick****s who think partial birth abortion is just fine and the steps taken in that process.

They believe it's not murder, but at the same time, during this procedure, the baby is delivered feet first on purpose so the doctor can suck the brains out of the baby while it's head is still in the womb and can technically say, it wasn't born yet since the head was still inside.

But if not really murder, why would that matter? Wouldn't need such a technicality if really believed it wasn't murder.

Of course, once it's dead, what is it? A baby? A thing? Sick ****s and liars I might add. It's not murder, but look how the procedure is done to ensure in their minds that it isn't.

They're a bunch of spineless, baby murdering bastards, on that front there is no doubt.

Defending the murder of helpless babies... man, you can't get lower in society and like I said... it speaks volumes about character, and the ideals in which they would like this country navigated towards.

[yavoon]

An embryo =/= a child, hence the medical term embryo

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/9-Week_Human_Embryo_from_Ectopic_Pregnancy.jpg/400px-9-Week_Human_Embryo_from_Ectopic_Pregnancy.jpg=/= http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/HumanNewborn.JPG/800px-HumanNewborn.JPG

an adolescent isn't a human being hence the word adolescent.

sorry your pathetic and silly english language manipulations don't alleviate the real moral issue.

[bpc]

Murderous Radical LOSER Mentality:

"The ends justify the means."


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And to that I say, **** your incorrect choice.

[DBruleU]

What don't you keep your bigotry to yourself?

Careful what you say to him here...he may tell your employer.

[ghwk]

Murderous Radical LOSER Mentality:

"The ends justify the means."


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And to that I say, **** your choice.

Zealot

[bpc]

Zealot

Am I pushing a "GOD WILL PUNISH YOU!" agenda? No. If you're morally corrupt, you're ****ed anyways, by god or your every day life because values and character spill over into all areas of your existance.

I just want you to understand what you're condoning. And if you can't fathom what ABORTION is, then you shouldn't be supporting it.

Abortion is exactly what that picture is. Except most that support it, don't look at the pictures, they just post the words "CHOICE", and hang off that.

There's your choice right there. Sitting in pieces. Souless... violated... and murdered.

[ghwk]

Am I pushing a "GOD WILL PUNISH YOU!" agenda? No. If you're morally corrupt, you're ****ed anyways, by god or your every day life because values and character spill over into all areas of your existance.

I just want you to understand what you're condoning. And if you can't fathom what ABORTION is, then you shouldn't be supporting it.

Abortion is exactly what that picture is. Except most that support it, don't look at the pictures, they just post the words "CHOICE", and hang off that.

There's your choice right there. Sitting in pieces. Souless... violated... and murdered.

Nope. I don't advocate it or reject it. You haven't followed my posts. My whole point is you can't, in my opinion, tell someone what to do with their body and at the same time be a member of the party that wants to cut social services, stifle sex education in schools, and close planned parenthood without having a collision and disonance of your own morals and ethics. You have to be a hypocrite in this case.

If there is a God then he/she will judge not you or I. By the way here is the endpoint of the conservative right philosphy, and this is one of the more optomisitic pictures.

[rastaman]

an adolescent isn't a human being hence the word adolescent.

sorry your pathetic and silly english language manipulations don't alleviate the real moral issue.

When is the cook out? Are we having grilled fetuses or BBQ'd fetuses. It would be a ashamed to let all that flesh go to waste.

Can we use the aborted fetuses for stem cell research?

[rastaman]

They're a bunch of spineless, baby murdering bastards, on that front there is no doubt.

Defending the murder of helpless babies... man, you can't get lower in society and like I said... it speaks volumes about character, and the ideals in which they would like this country navigated towards.

Yep! I agree, when your military thru shock n awe indiscriminately drop smart bombs on innocent women, children, and babies in Iraq and Afghanistan thru collateral damage are in fact committing murder. They are in essence ABORTING LIFE.

[yavoon]

Nope. I don't advocate it or reject it. You haven't followed my posts. My whole point is you can't, in my opinion, tell someone what to do with their body and at the same time be a member of the party that wants to cut social services, stifle sex education in schools, and close planned parenthood without having a collision and disonance of your own morals and ethics. You have to be a hypocrite in this case.

If there is a God then he/she will judge not you or I. By the way here is the endpoint of the conservative right philosphy, and this is one of the more optomisitic pictures.

haha "I dont support abortion I just attack everyone who has a moral objection like a rabid dog using horrid and inane arguments."

lololol. pathetic.

[bpc]

Nope. I don't advocate it or reject it. You haven't followed my posts. My whole point is you can't, in my opinion, tell someone what to do with their body and at the same time be a member of the party that wants to cut social services, stifle sex education in schools, and close planned parenthood without having a collision and disonance of your own morals and ethics. You have to be a hypocrite in this case.

If there is a God then he/she will judge not you or I. By the way here is the endpoint of the conservative right philosphy, and this is one of the more optomisitic pictures.

You assume that I'm a hard-core right winger hanging off their every policy because I'm a Christian, I believe in less government rule over society, and support of our military and the right to be free. Wrong.

I don't believe in cutting all social services. You're generalizing again. Instead of entitling a citizen, I believe in impowering them. Staples our country should be built upon is education and the overall preservation of children in all capacities. That includes healthcare, housing, wel-fare and the aforementioned education. This should be applied to the inner-city, suburbs, and country kids. We need to find a way to bridge education from youth, all the way up through the university level and maximize the person's ability to succeed. That would be one of my first priorities. Sex education and things of that nature are included with that and we have to be honest about the situation, sex, what comes from it, and of course what things like abortion are and mean.

As for society in general, we need to motivate rather than stipulate how they will live their lives, at the same time there needs to be incentive to work and be productive. Getting people sucking off the tit of government for life is a really poor way to do things. So how do you change that? Education. Empowerment. Motivation. Results. Definitely not some of the ideas this progressive leadership has had in mind. They want to build huge government, get everybody hooked into the system, entitle certain groups over others, expand to massive levels of immigration and eliminate the ability to perform at a high level, and enjoy the benefits of their labor.

[ghwk]

haha "I dont support abortion I just attack everyone who has a moral objection like a rabid dog using horrid and inane arguments."

lololol. pathetic.

Dude you are a fool. You only pay attention to half of what I am writing.

Here is your position

1. Abortion is murder
2. Funding social services is social welfare and a convenient out for people so shouldn't be part of the discussion
3. If you got pregnant I get to tell you what to do with your body and too bad for you if there is no safety net
4. You see no contradiction in the statements above.

[yavoon]

Dude you are a fool. You only pay attention to half of what I am writing.

Here is your position

1. Abortion is murder
2. Funding social services is social welfare and a convenient out for people so shouldn't be part of the discussion
3. If you got pregnant I get to tell you what to do with your body and too bad for you if there is no safety net
4. You see no contradiction in the statements above.

I'm just trying to imagine how callous and vicious a person would decide about a situation like murder based upon how much money was transfered to a person. god your one evil mother ****er.

and no I'm not telling what women to do with their body, I'm objecting to them murdering the life inside their body. when they crush its brain and suck it out through a tube, it's not their brain, it's a child's brain. maybe all you pro abortionists are just upset that women have uteruses.

if god decides to scratch this attempt and do everything over again I promise to sign the petition to allow women to lay eggs. before that though, how about we not murder unborn children.

everytime I respond to you I'm more physically disgusted by your position.

[bpc]

Yep! I agree, when your military thru shock n awe indiscriminately drop smart bombs on innocent women, children, and babies in Iraq and Afghanistan thru collateral damage are in fact committing murder. They are in essence ABORTING LIFE.

And nobody can say it hasn't happened... and that is truly heartbreaking.

Then again, what is your theory to ending terrorism? Hug it out? Should we lay down our weapons and disband the military?

Afghanistans themselves say that we've been a benefit to their country, and have helped put terrorists in check.

Even Iraq, which I didn't agree with when we went in, overthrew the dictator who took hundreds of THOUSANDS of lives and was committed to genocide on Kurdish people among other groups. Do you think it was fair that we do nothing? Spare me your alternative motives speech too, there are travesty's going on all over the world as we all know, and you'll want to connect this deed with oil or whatever.

Fact is Rasta, you would have have sat on the sidelines when Hitler was doing the same thing to Jewish people. You would have turned a blind eye because just like abortionist, it's your choice to do so and it's easier that way if you don't really know whats going on.

[Spider]

so much bull**** .................

[TailgateNut]

Am I pushing a "GOD WILL PUNISH YOU!" agenda? No. If you're morally corrupt, you're ****ed anyways, by god or your every day life because values and character spill over into all areas of your existance.

I just want you to understand what you're condoning. And if you can't fathom what ABORTION is, then you shouldn't be supporting it.

Abortion is exactly what that picture is. Except most that support it, don't look at the pictures, they just post the words "CHOICE", and hang off that.

There's your choice right there. Sitting in pieces. Souless... violated... and murdered.

I also believe that late term abortions are illegal with a few exceptions. So take your punishment and shove it up your ass.

[Spider]

LOL nutt notice how it is just men argiung this ...........I am like what the **** ever , you got one that thinks he is a white knight out to save everyone , and another just egging him on , while the drama lama post pics with the deepest heart feelings he can feel ( clown )
I got enough with keeping mine clothed and fed , roof over their heads and payin my bills ..... these busy bodys dont have enough goin on in their own lives , so they feel they have to run everyone elses ............ Remember Mrs Cravits on bewitched ? .... ROFL! bingo

[Requiem]

Theory to ending terrorism? It will never end.

[ghwk]

I'm just trying to imagine how callous and vicious a person would decide about a situation like murder based upon how much money was transfered to a person. god your one evil mother ****er.

and no I'm not telling what women to do with their body, I'm objecting to them murdering the life inside their body. when they crush its brain and suck it out through a tube, it's not their brain, it's a child's brain. maybe all you pro abortionists are just upset that women have uteruses.

if god decides to scratch this attempt and do everything over again I promise to sign the petition to allow women to lay eggs. before that though, how about we not murder unborn children.

everytime I respond to you I'm more physically disgusted by your position.

And I'm equally disgusted with your continued inability to even understand my position, and your inability to fully own yours for what you are: Self righteous hypocrite.

[yavoon]

And I'm equally disgusted with your continued inability to even understand my position, and your inability to fully own yours for what you are: Self righteous hypocrite.

waaa waaa more social welfare or abortion is good! waa waa. you're a disgusting person.

[Requiem]

Abortion!

[ghwk]

waaa waaa more social welfare or abortion is good! waa waa. you're a disgusting person.

LOL, did you really post that?? You've been reduced to idiot status.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LOL, did you really post that?? You've been reduced to idiot status.

He achieved that status after posting all of those photos.

Maybe we need to post photos of maimed and dead Iraqi children to illustrate his hypocricy?

[Rohirrim]

I'm just trying to imagine how callous and vicious a person would decide about a situation like murder based upon how much money was transfered to a person. god your one evil mother ****er.

and no I'm not telling what women to do with their body, I'm objecting to them murdering the life inside their body. when they crush its brain and suck it out through a tube, it's not their brain, it's a child's brain. maybe all you pro abortionists are just upset that women have uteruses.

if god decides to scratch this attempt and do everything over again I promise to sign the petition to allow women to lay eggs. before that though, how about we not murder unborn children.

everytime I respond to you I'm more physically disgusted by your position.

So, if we were able to pass a law making abortion murder and some woman went ahead and had an abortion, would you support sentencing her to death?

[bpc]

So, if we were able to pass a law making abortion murder and some woman went ahead and had an abortion, would you support sentencing her to death?

Good question. Maybe a hysterectomy would be fitting. You murder your own child, you don't get anymore.

Hammurabi knows best though!

[epicSocialism4tw]

LOL, did you really post that?? You've been reduced to idiot status.

That "idiot" has pimp slapped you up and down this thread and still you keep going back for more.

Keep on keepin' on, brother. It sure makes for some fun reading! :rofl:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Good question. Maybe a hysterectomy would be fitting. You murder your own child, you don't get anymore.

Hammurabi knows best though!

The murder of a pregnant woman results in charges concerning two people: the mother and the chlild.

Our legal system already defines the child as an individual and ascribes him or her the rights of an individual. It doesnt take Aristotle to see the cognitive dissonance created by abortion juxtaposed with that legal precedent.

[bpc]

I also believe that late term abortions are illegal with a few exceptions. So take your punishment and shove it up your ass.

Baby still has a heartbeat and brain activity in the 1st and 2nd term. Which is more than I can say for you.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

What don't you keep your bigotry to yourself?Look up the word because you obviously have no idea of the meaning even though you have, on numerous occasions, shown your bigotry towards women on these boards.

My statement is exactly what it is...Keep your personal views to yourself if you play pro sports (no matter WHAT they are), for several reasons.

If you still don't understand the meaning of "Bigot", I'll post some of your former posts on this board and educate you.

Careful what you say to him here...he may tell your employer.Look who is still here, I thought you were run over by bus full of communists in Yugoslavia or something?

[yavoon]

So, if we were able to pass a law making abortion murder and some woman went ahead and had an abortion, would you support sentencing her to death?

no, but I would support it being illegal.

[gyldenlove]

Good question. Maybe a hysterectomy would be fitting. You murder your own child, you don't get anymore.

Hammurabi knows best though!

And you say you want more personal freedom?

How does personal freedom jive with telling who can and who can't have kids?

You do realize of course that there is no definable difference between a fetus and a corpse. But maybe you also want to kill all the people who cremate bodies?

[Crushaholic]

How anyone can post here for years, see some of the absolute wastes of space that are out there, and not be in favor of abortion mystifies me.

Babies born today could end up being "wastes of space" or someone who does some great things in life. The day we have accurate reads on individuals' futures is the day your statement will have merit...

[epicSocialism4tw]

[QUOTE]And you say you want more personal freedom?

How does personal freedom jive with telling who can and who can't have kids?

Its just like any other crime. Abortion disregards the life of the child. I dont disagree with the hysterectomy idea at all, or maybe a tubal ligation...something that can be reversed if the person has become responsible enough that they can plan ahead and pay for it themself.

You do realize of course that there is no definable difference between a fetus and a corpse. But maybe you also want to kill all the people who cremate bodies?

Sorry man, I usually enjoy your takes, but thats pretty silly. The differences between a non-living human and a growing human are so numerous that I could fill this thread with them. You are creating an incongruent comparison that neither defines the issue or addresses the real issue.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Babies born today could end up being "wastes of space" or someone who does some great things in life. The day we have accurate reads on individuals' futures is the day your statement will have merit...

I have never met a person that I have thought such vile things about...who would you ever wish had never been born? I had a kid in one of my bible studies several years ago who joined a gang and ended up shooting and killing another young man in a gang fight. Even his life had value to his friends and family. Obviously the other young man's family wanted retribution and probably wished death upon my student at some point.

Anyway, I can pretty much guarantee that those aborted children would be loved by someone...probably the parent that aborted them.

American philosophy places infinite values on the rights of human beings. Abortion is a violation of that philosophy.

[gyldenlove]

Its just like any other crime. Abortion disregards the life of the child. I dont disagree with the hysterectomy idea at all, or maybe a tubal ligation...something that can be reversed if the person has become responsible enough that they can plan ahead and pay for it themself.



Sorry man, I usually enjoy your takes, but thats pretty silly. The differences between a non-living human and a growing human are so numerous that I could fill this thread with them. You are creating an incongruent comparison that neither defines the issue or addresses the real issue.

So what do you do in case of a natural abortion? how do you deal with pregnant women who do sports or drugs? they are clearly endangering the fetus, so that would be tantamount to attempted murder n'est ce pas? or at least reckless endangerment.



A fetus isn't a human, it can't sustain life and if you take it out of its lifesupport system it will be dead immediately. You could hook a corpse up to a similar system, feeding, blood circulation and the cells would remain alive and divide and proliferate just normally. They both express normal human DNA and they both contain the potential for life.

[yavoon]

So what do you do in case of a natural abortion? how do you deal with pregnant women who do sports or drugs? they are clearly endangering the fetus, so that would be tantamount to attempted murder n'est ce pas? or at least reckless endangerment.



A fetus isn't a human, it can't sustain life and if you take it out of its lifesupport system it will be dead immediately. You could hook a corpse up to a similar system, feeding, blood circulation and the cells would remain alive and divide and proliferate just normally. They both express normal human DNA and they both contain the potential for life.

the definition of human is that you can not support life on ur own? better tell all those ppl on respirators and pacemakers they are officially inhuman to pro abortionists.

[ghwk]

[QUOTE=McSkillet;2725873][QUOTE=gyldenlove;2725855]

Its just like any other crime. Abortion disregards the life of the child. I dont disagree with the hysterectomy idea at all, or maybe a tubal ligation...something that can be reversed if the person has become responsible enough that they can plan ahead and pay for it themself.QUOTE]

Just curious, who gets to decide if they are responsible enough?

[Garcia Bronco]

Look up the word because you obviously have no idea of the meaning even though you have, on numerous occasions, shown your bigotry towards women on these boards.


I have not. Just because I call you a woman, that doesn't mean I am insulting women. You hate Christians. And you proabably have your reasons. I will pray for you and your family.

[TailgateNut]

[QUOTE=McSkillet;2725873][QUOTE=gyldenlove;2725855]



Just curious, who gets to decide if they are responsible enough?

The same people who try to micromanage other peoples' lives. The BPC's, Mcskillets and Yavoons of the world. The same people who think it's ok to use everyones' tax dollars to kill innocent foreigners and their children but yammer about abortion.

[Garcia Bronco]

I didn't ask you for your moral opinion. I asked for the specific law which defines abortion as MURDER!

I realize this may be to complicated for you, so please feel free to exit stage left!

I did. It's murder in the first degree.

[rastaman]

no, but I would support it being illegal.

I support abortion to stay legal. I support a women's right to choose. I support women having the final say and control of her reproductive rights.

If it means that a women decides to end her pregnancy w/i the given time frame the law provides then so be it!

[rastaman]

I did. It's murder in the first degree.

Its not murder....its settled law!

[Garcia Bronco]

Its not murder....its settled law!

It is far from settled, welfare queen.

[Garcia Bronco]

I support abortion to stay legal. I support a women's right to choose. I support women having the final say and control of her reproductive rights.

If it means that a women decides to end her pregnancy w/i the given time frame the law provides then so be it!

She had a decision before she engaged in unprotected sex. Unless she had no decision...which I consider a different matter.

[TailgateNut]

It is far from settled, welfare queen.

How so, MR Constitution?

[yavoon]

[QUOTE=ghwk;2725943][QUOTE=McSkillet;2725873]

The same people who try to micromanage other peoples' lives. The BPC's, Mcskillets and Yavoons of the world. The same people who think it's ok to use everyones' tax dollars to kill innocent foreigners and their children but yammer about abortion.

you're such an inane little nutjob. if preventing murder is micromanaging other people's lives than who isn't guilty? and from the people who support the welfare state we get the micromanage cries? lol.

but honestly do you really expect people who are against killing unborn children and the moral issues with that to back done because you accuse them of "micromanaging." maybe we shouldn't "micromanage" marriages so much and stop prosecuting wife beaters?

[ghwk]

Yavoon you haven't correctly stated, or even attempted to, my position yet. I did summarize yours and you ignored it so at the this point you and I really have no ground left to cover that we haven't already tried to cover.

To skillet I am curious how we decide someone is ready to reproduce or has earned/reearned the right to reporoduce. I'm not trolling, I think there are plenty of people that I would say should not be reproducing. I have yet to figure out what the litmus test is.

[rastaman]

It is far from settled, welfare queen.

Oh its settled law even your inbred-incest meth smoking ass should realize this!

"SAVE ABORTED FETUSES FOR STEAM CELL RESEARCH"!!!

Please don't let all that aborted flesh go to waste!

[rastaman]

She had a decision before she engaged in unprotected sex. Unless she had no decision...which I consider a different matter.

Thats my point.....its none of your God Damned conservative Republican voting business what decision any grown women do behind close doors and with their sex life, choices, and reproductive rights.

No woman should be required to give a Flying F*@k what dumb ass males like you think in the first place. I take great joy knowing that women look at males like you and just merely say....shut the F*@k up.:sunshine:

[Requiem]

I can't believe McSkillet approves of abortion as a means of birth control.

[TailgateNut]

[QUOTE=TailgateNut;2725955][QUOTE=ghwk;2725943]

you're such an inane little nutjob. if preventing murder is micromanaging other people's lives than who isn't guilty? and from the people who support the welfare state we get the micromanage cries? lol.

but honestly do you really expect people who are against killing unborn children and the moral issues with that to back done because you accuse them of "micromanaging." maybe we shouldn't "micromanage" marriages so much and stop prosecuting wife beaters?

Hey dumbass, if it's murder, park your ass outside the clinic and call the cops everytime someone commits murder. Eventually they'll charge you for wasting the taxpayers money by filing false reports, and then you'll end up in jail, where you belong because you are stomping on the rights of ohers.

Go **** yourself.

In addition, there ARE laws against domestic violence. Get a ****ing clue you worthless POS and stop wasting our planets' oxygen.

[gyldenlove]

She had a decision before she engaged in unprotected sex. Unless she had no decision...which I consider a different matter.

So in abortion should be legal for anyone who was not in a position to make a decision? underagers, legally insane, rape victims etc? As well as anyone who used contraceptives that failed obviously, that is going to be a big wide gaping loophole.

[barryr]

So a woman should be able to have abortions to have control of her body? Hmm, so they are also allowed to do drugs and harm their bodies? There are no laws regarding that? Interesting.

If a woman can't figure out how not to have a child and wants an abortion, then that's her business, but I reject tax dollars being spent for it. Take personal responsibility, which is something liberals have a hard time understanding.

[Requiem]

A lack of personal responsibility is prevalent amongst all people, regardless of political ideology. Pull your head out.

[TailgateNut]

A lack of personal responsibility is prevalent amongst all people, regardless of political ideology. Pull your head out.

He would need a team of clydesdales!

[epicSocialism4tw]

So what do you do in case of a natural abortion? how do you deal with pregnant women who do sports or drugs? they are clearly endangering the fetus, so that would be tantamount to attempted murder n'est ce pas? or at least reckless endangerment.


These kinds of questions are beside the point. I will answer it for you though. Women who endanger their children in utero are usually watched by CPS or their children are taken from them depending on the judgment of CPS caseworkers. CPS' role should be to ensure the optimal situation for the child. Most times this means finding some way to keep the child with the mother.


A fetus isn't a human
This is absolutely false in every sense. From the standpoint of a biologist, a "fetus" is only definable as a human and nothing else. It is alive, and it is purely human. The cells and organ systems in place are unique to humans. The trophic nature of the baby is purely that of humans. It has its own unique set of chromosomes, it has its own unique array of human cells, from atom to molecule to macromolecule to organelle to cell to tissue to organ to organ system to organism in its environment the fetus is purely human and cannot be defined as anything else BUT human. Homo sapiens. Human.

Just like you are sustained by your environment and would die if poisons were injected into it. Just like you would die if your food and water sources were taken away. Just like you would die if someone opened the door to your house, pulled you out the door by your feet, chopped open the back of your skull with a machete, vacuumed out the contents of your head, and then threw your newly lifeless body in a biohazard bag.

it can't sustain life and if you take it out of its lifesupport system it will be dead immediately. You could hook a corpse up to a similar system, feeding, blood circulation and the cells would remain alive and divide and proliferate just normally. They both express normal human DNA and they both contain the potential for life.

You are flat out ignoring the truth. Any scientist that claimed equivalency between a dead organism and a live one would be laughed into irrelevancy.

[Requiem]

He would need a team of clydesdales!

Had a cloverdale hot dog once and it was great.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I have not. Just because I call you a woman, that doesn't mean I am insulting women. You hate Christians. And you proabably have your reasons. I will pray for you and your family.Now you are lying which doesn't surprise me at all. Some people like you (who call themselves "Christians" are some of the most ignorant, arrogant, vain and bigoted people I know. But back on topic, the fact that you do not understand that most people prefer professional athletes keep their political and religious views (no matter WHAT those views are) to themselves only shows how deep your ignorance runs.

And BTW, your woman hating posts on this board are well documented over the years. Face it Garcia, you stepped on your dick so many times on this board you probably can't even get it up anymore (for a female anyway).

[yavoon]

Yavoon you haven't correctly stated, or even attempted to, my position yet. I did summarize yours and you ignored it so at the this point you and I really have no ground left to cover that we haven't already tried to cover.

To skillet I am curious how we decide someone is ready to reproduce or has earned/reearned the right to reporoduce. I'm not trolling, I think there are plenty of people that I would say should not be reproducing. I have yet to figure out what the litmus test is.

I've responded to the brutality, callousness and idiocy of your position many times. I guess you can make any declarative statement you want in a post. but it only reinforces the inanity of your arguments that you say this. then again I'd take inane meta-arguments over you restating the inhumane barbarism that is your actual political position.

[ghwk]

Again you prove you don't get it. Stop trying.

[rastaman]

These kinds of questions are beside the point. I will answer it for you though. Women who endanger their children in utero are usually watched by CPS or their children are taken from them depending on the judgment of CPS caseworkers. CPS' role should be to ensure the optimal situation for the child. Most times this means finding some way to keep the child with the mother.



This is absolutely false in every sense. From the standpoint of a biologist, a "fetus" is only definable as a human and nothing else. It is alive, and it is purely human. The cells and organ systems in place are unique to humans. The trophic nature of the baby is purely that of humans. It has its own unique set of chromosomes, it has its own unique array of human cells, from atom to molecule to macromolecule to organelle to cell to tissue to organ to organ system to organism in its environment the fetus is purely human and cannot be defined as anything else BUT human. Homo sapiens. Human.

Just like you are sustained by your environment and would die if poisons were injected into it. Just like you would die if your food and water sources were taken away. Just like you would die if someone opened the door to your house, pulled you out the door by your feet, chopped open the back of your skull with a machete, vacuumed out the contents of your head, and then threw your newly lifeless body in a biohazard bag.



You are flat out ignoring the truth. Any scientist that claimed equivalency between a dead organism and a live one would be laughed into irrelevancy.

Yawn-Yawn.....please shut up and take your medication you looney ass fool! No one is listening to you!

A woman's right to choose is settled law!

[Gort]

But.....It Sucks to Be You!

i'll pitch in $20 to help pay for a retro-active abortion on Rastadork.

[DBruleU]

i'll pitch in $20 to help pay for a retro-active abortion on Rastadork.

What will they do with the extra $15?

[bpc]

what will they do with the extra $15?

ooooooowned!!!!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

What will they do with the extra $15?Donate it to your next "save the world" tour?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

RNC health insurance plan covers abortions <hr style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> By CHRISTINE SIMMONS (AP) – Nov 12, 2009

WASHINGTON — The Republican National Committee's health insurance plan covers elective abortions for its employees, an option Republicans strongly oppose in health overhaul legislation that Democrats are trying to push through Congress.

Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele learned of the policy's abortion coverage Thursday through a news report and immediately instructed staff to inform the insurance carrier that the RNC wanted to opt out of elective abortion coverage, RNC spokeswoman Gail Gitcho said.

"Money from our loyal donors should not be used for this purpose," Steele said in a statement. "I don't know why this policy existed in the past, but it will not exist under my administration. Consider this issue settled."

Gitcho said the policy has been in effect since 1991.

A memo earlier from RNC Chief of Staff Ken McKay to the organization's members said Steele was taking the issue very seriously and "has been engaged by phone on this issue."

The GOP platform traditionally includes strong anti-abortion language. All House Republicans, except one, voted for an amendment imposing restrictions of coverage for abortions in the health care bill that passed the House last Saturday. Inclusion of the abortion restrictions prompted an angry backlash from liberal House Democrats, and some are now threatening to vote against a final bill if the curbs stay in.

The memo said the RNC received a phone call from a reporter on Wednesday asking whether the RNC's health care policy, through Cigna, covered elective abortions for employees. On Thursday, Politico.com published a report citing two sales agents for Cigna who said the RNC's policy covered elective abortion.

The Cigna employees said the RNC didn't choose to opt out of abortion coverage when given the opportunity, Politico.com reported.

"Upon learning of this story, at the chairman's direction, we immediately contacted the Executive Committee," the RNC memo said. "We will be scheduling a call with the Executive Committee in the immediate future to discuss this matter more fully."

The memo said the RNC health insurance policy has been in review for some time.

"Chairman Steele had already called for an official review of our health insurance policy along with a number of other operational items," the memo said.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...qLYRwD9BUE6V00 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hkWWFIEXgAtpUcUXCugfHS1qLYRwD9BUE6V00)

[Arkie]

A national coalition of women's groups called on CBS on Monday to scrap its plan to broadcast an ad during the Super Bowl featuring college football star Tim Tebow and his mother, which critics say is likely to convey an anti-abortion message.

"An ad that uses sports to divide rather than to unite has no place in the biggest national sports event of the year -- an event designed to bring Americans together," said Jemhu Greene, president of the New York-based Women's Media Center.

The center was coordinating the protest with backing from the National Organization for Women, the Feminist Majority and other groups.

CBS said it has approved the script for the 30-second ad and has given no indication that the protest would have an impact. A network spokesman, Dana McClintock, said CBS would ensure that any issue-oriented ad was "appropriate for air."

The ad -- paid for by the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family -- is expected to recount the story of Pam Tebow's pregnancy in 1987 with a theme of "Celebrate Family, Celebrate Life." After getting sick during a mission trip to the Philippines, she ignored a recommendation by doctors to abort her fifth child and gave birth to Tim, who went on to win the 2007 Heisman Trophy while helping his Florida team to two BCS championships.

The controversy over the ad was raised Sunday when Tebow met with reporters in Mobile, Ala., before beginning preparations for next weekend's Senior Bowl.

"I know some people won't agree with it, but I think they can at least respect that I stand up for what I believe," Tebow said. "I've always been very convicted of it (his views on abortion) because that's the reason I'm here, because my mom was a very courageous woman. So any way that I could help, I would do it."

Thirty-second commercials during the Super Bowl are selling for $2.5 million to $2.8 million. Gary Schneeberger, a spokesman for Focus on the Family, said funds for the Tebow ad were donated by a few "very generous friends" and did not come from the group's general fund.

Schneeberger said he and his colleagues "were a little surprised" at the furor over the ad.

"There's nothing political and controversial about it," he said. "When the day arrives, and you sit down to watch the game on TV, those who oppose it will be quite surprised at what the ad is all about."

The protest letter from the Women's Media Center suggested that CBS should have turned down the ad in part because it was conceived by Focus on the Family.

"By offering one of the most coveted advertising spots of the year to an anti-equality, anti-choice, homophobic organization, CBS is aligning itself with a political stance that will damage its reputation, alienate viewers, and discourage consumers from supporting its shows and advertisers," the letter said.

However, Schneeberger said CBS officials carefully examined Focus on the Family's track record and found no basis for rejecting the ad.

"We understand that some people don't think very highly of what we do," Schneeberger said. "We're not trying to sell you a soft drink -- we're not selling anything. We're trying to celebrate families."

The idea for the ad came from an employee in Focus on the Family's film department, Schneeberger said, and the Tebows "were thrilled" when it was proposed to them. The Tebows, including Tim, have been outspoken in discussing their Christian faith and their missionary work.

All the national networks, including CBS, have policies that rule out the broadcast of certain types of contentious advocacy ads. In 2004, CBS cited such a policy in rejecting an ad by the liberal-leaning United Church of Christ highlighting the UCC's welcoming stance toward gays and others who might feel shunned by more conservative churches.

CBS was criticized for rejecting that ad -- and perhaps might have worried about comparable criticism from conservatives if it had rejected an ad featuring such a charismatic and well-known figure as Tebow.

CBS noted that it had run some advocacy ads in recent months, including spots taking conflicting sides in the debate of a national health care overhaul.

Terry O'Neill, the president of the National Organization for Women, said she had respect for the private choices made by women such as Pam Tebow but condemned the planned ad as "extraordinarily offensive and demeaning."

"That's not being respectful of other people's lives," O'Neill said. "It is offensive to hold one way out as being a superior way over everybody else's."


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Womens-groups-urge-CBS-to-drop-Tebow-Super-Bowl-ad-012510?GT1=39002

[epicSocialism4tw]

A national coalition of women's groups called on CBS on Monday to scrap its plan to broadcast an ad during the Super Bowl featuring college football star Tim Tebow and his mother, which critics say is likely to convey an anti-abortion message.

"An ad that uses sports to divide rather than to unite has no place in the biggest national sports event of the year -- an event designed to bring Americans together," said Jemhu Greene, president of the New York-based Women's Media Center.

The center was coordinating the protest with backing from the National Organization for Women, the Feminist Majority and other groups.

CBS said it has approved the script for the 30-second ad and has given no indication that the protest would have an impact. A network spokesman, Dana McClintock, said CBS would ensure that any issue-oriented ad was "appropriate for air."

The ad -- paid for by the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family -- is expected to recount the story of Pam Tebow's pregnancy in 1987 with a theme of "Celebrate Family, Celebrate Life." After getting sick during a mission trip to the Philippines, she ignored a recommendation by doctors to abort her fifth child and gave birth to Tim, who went on to win the 2007 Heisman Trophy while helping his Florida team to two BCS championships.

The controversy over the ad was raised Sunday when Tebow met with reporters in Mobile, Ala., before beginning preparations for next weekend's Senior Bowl.

"I know some people won't agree with it, but I think they can at least respect that I stand up for what I believe," Tebow said. "I've always been very convicted of it (his views on abortion) because that's the reason I'm here, because my mom was a very courageous woman. So any way that I could help, I would do it."

Thirty-second commercials during the Super Bowl are selling for $2.5 million to $2.8 million. Gary Schneeberger, a spokesman for Focus on the Family, said funds for the Tebow ad were donated by a few "very generous friends" and did not come from the group's general fund.

Schneeberger said he and his colleagues "were a little surprised" at the furor over the ad.

"There's nothing political and controversial about it," he said. "When the day arrives, and you sit down to watch the game on TV, those who oppose it will be quite surprised at what the ad is all about."

The protest letter from the Women's Media Center suggested that CBS should have turned down the ad in part because it was conceived by Focus on the Family.

"By offering one of the most coveted advertising spots of the year to an anti-equality, anti-choice, homophobic organization, CBS is aligning itself with a political stance that will damage its reputation, alienate viewers, and discourage consumers from supporting its shows and advertisers," the letter said.

However, Schneeberger said CBS officials carefully examined Focus on the Family's track record and found no basis for rejecting the ad.

"We understand that some people don't think very highly of what we do," Schneeberger said. "We're not trying to sell you a soft drink -- we're not selling anything. We're trying to celebrate families."

The idea for the ad came from an employee in Focus on the Family's film department, Schneeberger said, and the Tebows "were thrilled" when it was proposed to them. The Tebows, including Tim, have been outspoken in discussing their Christian faith and their missionary work.

All the national networks, including CBS, have policies that rule out the broadcast of certain types of contentious advocacy ads. In 2004, CBS cited such a policy in rejecting an ad by the liberal-leaning United Church of Christ highlighting the UCC's welcoming stance toward gays and others who might feel shunned by more conservative churches.

CBS was criticized for rejecting that ad -- and perhaps might have worried about comparable criticism from conservatives if it had rejected an ad featuring such a charismatic and well-known figure as Tebow.

CBS noted that it had run some advocacy ads in recent months, including spots taking conflicting sides in the debate of a national health care overhaul.

Terry O'Neill, the president of the National Organization for Women, said she had respect for the private choices made by women such as Pam Tebow but condemned the planned ad as "extraordinarily offensive and demeaning."

"That's not being respectful of other people's lives," O'Neill said. "It is offensive to hold one way out as being a superior way over everybody else's."


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Womens-groups-urge-CBS-to-drop-Tebow-Super-Bowl-ad-012510?GT1=39002

Its clear that NOW does not believe in freedom of speech.

Maybe their just upset because what they advocate is so sick, twisted, disgusting, unethical, and immoral...what kind of ad could they produce? "Aborting children helps to kill criminals before they're born, so abort your child or go to the inner city and tell those stupid, uncapable women to abort their children today!"

[Spider]

Its clear that NOW does not believe in freedom of speech.

LOL look who is talking ............. the right telling people to move to france , cuba etc ............ LOL shut the **** up you hypocrite...........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"An ad that uses sports to divide rather than to unite has no place in the biggest national sports event of the year -- an event designed to bring Americans together," said Jemhu Greene, president of the New York-based Women's Media Center.


Ding ding ding!

We have a winner.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

lol look who is talking ............. The right telling people to move to france , cuba etc ............ Lol shut the **** up you hypocrite...........

qft.

[bpc]

"Celebrate family".

I know, that can be hard for some degenerates in this country to follow and support, and goes strictly against their agenda but they really just need to back down on this issue.

We're all lucky to see a prominent sports figure like Tim Tebow as such a positive role model as he's been to the public and the children of this country. I know he isn't out slapping bitches, wearing 50 lbs of gold, and catching a case like most professional athletes, but I think we should overlook that just this one time.

[TailgateNut]

"Celebrate family".

I know, that can be hard for some degenerates in this country to follow and support, and goes strictly against their agenda but they really just need to back down on this issue.

We're all lucky to see a prominent sports figure like Tim Tebow as such a positive role model as he's been to the public and the children of this country. I know he isn't out slapping b****es, wearing 50 lbs of gold, and catching a case like most professional athletes, but I think we should overlook that just this one time.


Using tax free money to push what equates to a political/ judicial statement should get their Tax Free Status Yanked. Period.

[epicSocialism4tw]

"Celebrate family".

I know, that can be hard for some degenerates in this country to follow and support, and goes strictly against their agenda but they really just need to back down on this issue.

We're all lucky to see a prominent sports figure like Tim Tebow as such a positive role model as he's been to the public and the children of this country. I know he isn't out slapping b****es, wearing 50 lbs of gold, and catching a case like most professional athletes, but I think we should overlook that just this one time.

I'm a huge OU fan. If Tebow wasnt such a good dude and fierce competitor, I would hate him. He was the wall between OU and another championship. Tebow really is a good kid and its pretty much impossible for me to root against him no matter how much I dislike Flordia. I wouldnt mind if the Broncos took a flier on him in the second or third round.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Using tax free money to push what equates to a political/ judicial statement should get their Tax Free Status Yanked. Period.

The National Organization of Women is a tax free organization as well. Heck, Planned Parenthood is a gov't run organization! That place is a children chophouse!

[TailgateNut]

Hope all you Pro-ad faqahds don't get upset when next year an anti-religious-rights group advertises during the SuperBowl.
Because they have opened the door.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Hope all you Pro-ad faqahds don't get upset when next year an anti-religious-rights group advertises during the SuperBowl.
Because they have opened the door.

It doesnt matter.

I'm just happy to see that the pro-family community is regaining a voice in this country.

Its astounding that they have been shouted down and painted as evil by intellectually and ethically bankrupt political opponents for so long. The rhetoric from their side has been "You cant have a voice, but we can. Why? Because we say so." It would be nice if the rhetoric changed to the American standard of free speech.

[TailgateNut]

It doesnt matter.

I'm just happy to see that the pro-family community is regaining a voice in this country.

Its astounding that they have been shouted down and painted as evil by intellectually and ethically bankrupt political opponents for so long. The rhetoric from their side has been "You cant have a voice, but we can. Why? Because we say so." It would be nice if the rhetoric changed to the American standard of free speech.

Be careful what you wish for.....CBS is making an exception which may bite them in their legal ass in the future, exposing them to lawsuits which may negate the 2.5million dollar profit they will realize by allowing the Hypocrites at Focus on the Family a national audience.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Be careful what you wish for.....CBS is making an exception which may bite them in their legal ass in the future, exposing them to lawsuits which may negate the 2.5million dollar profit they will realize by allowing the Hypocrites at Focus on the Family a national audience.

I think that that's a terrible consequence, and a result of the politically oppressive nature of the modern left.

Its much like the terrorists approach. You silence the opposition by threatening the media outlets that may include them.

[yavoon]

Be careful what you wish for.....CBS is making an exception which may bite them in their legal ass in the future, exposing them to lawsuits which may negate the 2.5million dollar profit they will realize by allowing the Hypocrites at Focus on the Family a national audience.

oh look every leftist's fantasy. suing your way to oppression of free speech. I bet you get all hot and bothered just thinking about all the people you can force into silence.

[TailgateNut]

I think that that's a terrible consequence, and a result of the politically oppressive nature of the modern left.

Its much like the terrorists approach. You silence the opposition by threatening the media outlets that may include them.

Yammer,Yammer........

"the politically oppressive nature of the modern left"Hilarious!


NO, it's the reality of opening the door to suits of discrimination.

[TailgateNut]

oh look every leftist's fantasy. suing your way to oppression of free speech. I bet you get all hot and bothered just thinking about all the people you can force into silence.

Did you and the Drama queen knock heads to come up with this gem?

I just made the statement that CBS is on a very slippery slope.

[Garcia Bronco]

And BTW, your woman hating posts on this board are well documented over the years. Face it Garcia, you stepped on your dick so many times on this board you probably can't even get it up anymore (for a female anyway).

My dick doesn't drag on the floor despite the rumors. I have never posted "woman hating posts" old man.

[yavoon]

Did you and the Drama queen knock heads to come up with this gem?

I just made the statement that CBS is on a very slippery slope.

the left attacks free speech incessantly. that you made a post boasting about some new assault on free speech from the left should be universally ridiculed and derided by all the freedom loving people who hear it.

[TailgateNut]

the left attacks free speech incessantly. that you made a post boasting about some new assault on free speech from the left should be universally ridiculed and derided by all the freedom loving people who hear it.


Where am I BOASTING about an assault on free speech?


Go choke on a "FREEDOM FRY".


BTW: I'm also guaranteed freedom of speech, and I don't want some religious fruitcake pushing their agenda down my throat. Keep your crap on CBN.

[yavoon]

Where am I BOASTING about an assault on free speech?


Go choke on a "FREEDOM FRY".


BTW: I'm also guaranteed freedom of speech, and I don't want some religious fruitcake pushing their agenda down my throat. Keep your crap on CBN.

BTW: I'm also guaranteed freedom of speech, and I don't want some religious fruitcake pushing their agenda down my throat. Keep your crap on CBN.

BTW: I'm also guaranteed freedom of speech, and I don't want some religious fruitcake pushing their agenda down my throat. Keep your crap on CBN.

BTW: I'm also guaranteed freedom of speech, and I don't want some religious fruitcake pushing their agenda down my throat. Keep your crap on CBN.

BTW: I'm also guaranteed freedom of speech, and I don't want some religious fruitcake pushing their agenda down my throat. Keep your crap on CBN.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I don't think free speech means what you think it means. which would be about par for the course on your incredible inability to reason through concepts.

[Garcia Bronco]

freedom of speech

http://elultimoquecierrelapuerta.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/inigo1.jpg

You keep using those words. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[DBruleU]

I think it's more like - "Freedom FROM religion," and "Freedom FROM speech" to TGN.

[yavoon]

I think it's more like - "Freedom FROM religion," and "Freedom FROM speech" to TGN.

a true leftist conception of freedom.

[Spider]

LOL the bedwettin god squad got a hero now in Tebow ........maybe he will lead you guys to the promise land ..........Now see dont have a problem with Tebow , cbs , or any other lunatic ....err jesus freak sayin what they believe on T.V. ..............Let em have at it , it wont change anyones mind , I seriously doubt some young woman sittin in a doctors office , knocked up will ask her self ..........What would Tebow do ............

[epicSocialism4tw]

LOL the bedwettin god squad got a hero now in Tebow ........maybe he will lead you guys to the promise land ..........Now see dont have a problem with Tebow , cbs , or any other lunatic ....err jesus freak sayin what they believe on T.V. ..............Let em have at it , it wont change anyones mind , I seriously doubt some young woman sittin in a doctors office , knocked up will ask her self ..........What would Tebow do ............

What is it with you and bedwetting?

[bpc]

Hope all you Pro-ad faqahds don't get upset when next year an anti-religious-rights group advertises during the SuperBowl.
Because they have opened the door.

Ha ha. What are they going to say? "WE DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR GOD!!!!! AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!"

Ha ha. That's their problem, not mine. Fact is most of these degenerates hate anything that has morals so I imagine they'll be throwing the kitchen sink at things to try and deter positivity.

[Spider]

What is it with you and bedwetting?

LOL in the name of praying to Tebow .. where did I say anything about me be bedwetting ?

[epicSocialism4tw]

LOL in the name of praying to Tebow .. where did I say anything about me be bedwetting ?

You include bedwetting in at least every other post.

Bedwetting is a subject that you return to often. Bedwetting has become synonymous with "Spider".

[Spider]

You include bedwetting in at least every other post.

Only when I am talking about rightards ............ do you got a better description for you and your kind ?

[Spider]

Bedwetting is a subject that you return to often. Bedwetting has become synonymous with "Spider".

well , if you and the rest of the right tard god squad left , I wouldnt mention bedwetting again ............. Just sayin

[epicSocialism4tw]

well , if you and the rest of the right tard god squad left , I wouldnt mention bedwetting again ............. Just sayin

Keep up that bedwetting, Spider!

You certainly are the king of bedwetting at orangemane.

[Spider]

Look McSkillet , I thought I was being kind calling you and your kind bedwetters , I mean after all there is so many more names I could call you guys , for example , Pedophiles , and use the list to back it up , or I could call you guys bathroom love makin warriors with the same sex , poop chute bandits , kiddie dippers , rump rangers , tonsil jockeys , sidewalk sissys , but that kind of name calling is wrong and very immature , so think of bedwetters as a compliment ........I mean after all , not much left to call you guys

[Spider]

see you try to be nice to some people and they get their panties in a wad ....

[epicSocialism4tw]

Look McSkillet , I thought I was being kind calling you and your kind bedwetters , I mean after all there is so many more names I could call you guys , for example , Pedophiles , and use the list to back it up , or I could call you guys bathroom love makin warriors with the same sex , poop chute bandits , kiddie dippers , rump rangers , tonsil jockeys , sidewalk sissys , but that kind of name calling is wrong and very immature , so think of bedwetters as a compliment ........I mean after all , not much left to call you guys

You are the king of bedwetting, the prince of pedophila, and the princess of imaginary throatpunching.

Royalty.

[Spider]

You are the king of bedwetting, the prince of pedophila, and the princess of imaginary throatpunching.

Royalty.

LOL spoken like a true bedwetter ... just throw **** out no facts ......

[rastaman]

QUOTE=McSkillet;2733744]You are the king of bedwetting, the prince of pedophila, and the princess of imaginary throatpunching.

Royalty.[/QUOTE]

Hey McSkillet....make sure you let Tebow lick you for your undying support!ROFL!

http://www.sportsburn.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/483819565_95465e377e.jpg

[bpc]

Look McSkillet , I thought I was being kind calling you and your kind bedwetters , I mean after all there is so many more names I could call you guys , for example , Pedophiles , and use the list to back it up , or I could call you guys bathroom love makin warriors with the same sex , poop chute bandits , kiddie dippers , rump rangers , tonsil jockeys , sidewalk sissys , but that kind of name calling is wrong and very immature , so think of bedwetters as a compliment ........I mean after all , not much left to call you guys

Don't you drive a truck for a living?

Is your name Lincoln Hawk too? Do you arm wrestle on the side?

Who knows what kind of janky stuff you're up to on those long rides in those cabins alone. I'm sure you keep yourself entertained somehow.

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Classy stuff. Is he a friend of yours? Share often?

Before you start throwing your ignorant takes out, maybe you should look in the mirror?

[Spider]

Don't you drive a truck for a living?

Is your name Lincoln Hawk too? Do you arm wrestle on the side?

Who knows what kind of janky stuff you're up to on those long rides in those cabins alone. I'm sure you keep yourself entertained somehow.

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Classy stuff. Is he a friend of yours? Share often?

what in the hell are you babbling about bedwetter ?

[bpc]

Are you inbetween bribes for poontang? How are you on here so often? Don't you have a couple whores you paid for to go wank on?

Is there a occupation more disgusting then truckers? No wonder you're all for having the government hand you everything. I'd want to get the **** up out of that business too.

[Spider]

Are you inbetween bribes for poontang? How are you on here so often? Don't you have a couple whores you paid for to go wank on?

Is there a occupation more disgusting then truckers? No wonder you're all for having the government hand you everything. I'd want to get the **** up out of that business too.

LOL you poor silly assed bedwetter, you dont have a clue as to what you are yappin about , Truckers , like us or not , we feed your ass , clothe you , support you ,So you should just shut the hell up and say thank you ............show some respect fool

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/tebow-superbowl-ad.jpg

[broncocalijohn]

Not sure if anyone has seen the ad (I have not) but isnt the Tebow ad more of a pro life commercial than an anti abortion? There is a difference. Asking someone to choice the life option would come across as a pro life ad. Showing ripped up fetus' bodies or women killing themselves in shame would be considered an anti abortion ad. Do the groups that think this is too contraversial because their $ will go down?

[bpc]

Basically it's just celebrating life. That's what these dumbasses are all up in arms about. They're pissed because a mother chose to fight for her baby instead of the weak alternative, and is proud about it and wants the world to hear the story. It's "threatening" to their immoral way of life.

I'd feel upset too. Not everybody has the strength of Tebow's mother. Much easier to hit the back alley, grab a powertool and get blending away. You know, wouldn't want a little responsibility weighing down your personal life.

You have to be a real low son of a b**** or a soul-less whore to murder your own flesh and blood.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

^ You have to be a world-class moron to believe (a) a fertilized egg is a "person," or (b) that abortion is always wrong (or always right, for that matter) under any circumstances.

According to the "logic" these snake handling nutjobs espouse, I'm taking a potential life every time I spank my dolphin to Internet porn. Ha!

[rastaman]

Not sure if anyone has seen the ad (I have not) but isnt the Tebow ad more of a pro life commercial than an anti abortion? There is a difference. Asking someone to choice the life option would come across as a pro life ad. Showing ripped up fetus' bodies or women killing themselves in shame would be considered an anti abortion ad. Do the groups that think this is too contraversial because their $ will go down?

Tebow and his mom are trying to lay the ground work on behalf of the Tali-ban Focus on the Family to challenge and overturn "Rove v Wade". Plain and simple, while using their free speech during the SB when 10's of millions or 100's of millions of people are watching the SB.

Sadly you're conservative mind set is either disingenuous with this or you are conservatively bias. Its probably both.:~ohyah!:

[TailgateNut]

Basically it's just celebrating life. That's what these dumbasses are all up in arms about. They're pissed because a mother chose to fight for her baby instead of the weak alternative, and is proud about it and wants the world to hear the story. It's "threatening" to their immoral way of life.

I'd feel upset too. Not everybody has the strength of Tebow's mother. Much easier to hit the back alley, grab a powertool and get blending away. You know, wouldn't want a little responsibility weighing down your personal life.

You have to be a real low son of a b**** or a soul-less whore to murder your own flesh and blood.


**** you, and your misplaced "better than thou attitude". It mirrors that of the rest of the clowns at that Colorado Springs Hypocrite Factory. The one which was led by that Crack smoking, shaft sucking, ass pounding preacher who was, as the rest of you are, "Better than everyone else".
And you and your clown posse' have the audacity to talk about morals!

**** off.

[broncocalijohn]

^ You have to be a world-class moron to believe (a) a fertilized egg is a "person," or (b) that abortion is always wrong (or always right, for that matter) under any circumstances.

According to the "logic" these snake handling nutjobs espouse, I'm taking a potential life every time I spank my dolphin to Internet porn. Ha!

No, a fertilized egg would be considered a life to some, but you would be a ok "spanking you dolphin" to pictures of Nancy Pelosi while downloading the next cartoon to post. Have at it.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Basically it's just celebrating life. That's what these dumbasses are all up in arms about. They're pissed because a mother chose to fight for her baby instead of the weak alternative, and is proud about it and wants the world to hear the story. It's "threatening" to their immoral way of life.

I'd feel upset too. Not everybody has the strength of Tebow's mother. Much easier to hit the back alley, grab a powertool and get blending away. You know, wouldn't want a little responsibility weighing down your personal life.

You have to be a real low son of a b**** or a soul-less whore to murder your own flesh and blood.

It's pretty sad, really.

These child chophouses like Planned Parenthood get vulnerable kids in their doors, convince them that they dont have to tell their parents, and then send them down the disassembly line where their baby ends up mutilated in a toilet. Then they are left with the haunting reality for the rest of their lives, and for what?

[TailgateNut]

It's pretty sad, really.

These child chophouses like Planned Parenthood get vulnerable kids in their doors, convince them that they dont have to tell their parents, and then send them down the disassembly line where their baby ends up mutilated in a toilet. Then they are left with the haunting reality for the rest of their lives, and for what?


Whatever your hallucinations "tell you". :rofl:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Basically it's just celebrating life. Complete BS! It's a political stance aired during a football game, THE last place it should EVER be aired. It does absolutely nothing other than to politicize the game and that doesn't work in anyone's benefit.

[bpc]

^ You have to be a world-class moron to believe (a) a fertilized egg is a "person," or (b) that abortion is always wrong (or always right, for that matter) under any circumstances.

According to the "logic" these snake handling nutjobs espouse, I'm taking a potential life every time I spank my dolphin to Internet porn. Ha!

You don't have to tell me anything about your life to know you're irrelevant as a human being and an organism because you spout your radical believes daily.

In your world, people should be soul-less borgs, cast in a system like lemmings, one not taking precedent over another and when it seems fit, you should be able to delete the next round of your lot whenever you like, without repercussions. Sound about right?

You're an immoral loser, who has no boundries on the vileness of your life. It's quite easy to feel pitty for you, but then I come back to the realization that you're a moron, and you bring it on yourself. In the end, it doesn't matter. You could go play in traffic today, be gone tomorrow, and nobody would miss you or even ask about you except when they want a stupid political comic strip.

[DivineBronco]

interesting deadspin take do with it what you will
http://deadspin.com/5458857/the-dangerous-message-of-the-tebow-miracle

[bpc]

Complete BS! It's a political stance aired during a football game, THE last place it should EVER be aired. It does absolutely nothing other than to politicize the game and that doesn't work in anyone's benefit.

How is "CELEBRATING LIFE" a political view? Because you made it one? Because you and your ilk choose to murder living babies in utero? So those of us who choose to be responsible in life, and have morals, can't celebrate the lifes that we raise? Because you feel threatened?

I try every once in awhile to think of the mentality of the radical, progressive liberal but it just hurts my head. How can you easily hate so much in life, including your own flesh and blood so much so that you destroy it? You hate everything and anything that has positivity in it.

You made yourself a success and make more money than me. "I hate you!"

You work harder than me. "I hate you!"

You love your kids. "I HATE YOU!"

You believe in morals and a divine power that guides us... " I HATE ALL OF IT!!!!"



I would like to lock progressives up on an island and watch them start eating themselves. They inherently hate everything that they are, so I imagine it would only take a week or two. Now that would be entertaining!

[David Wooderson]

I don't know why this is such a big deal. Anybody that needs an abortion probably ain't watching the Super Bowl on their 50" plasma. The audience is middle America, and foolish impregnated kids and their families who are thinking about making a stupid decision. Maybe this commercial will save another Tim Tebow, but I seriously doubt it will save all those future criminals. They will still get aborted and we will save millions just from not needing to execute them later. So, don't worry about it, man. Only good can come from this commercial. Save another Tebow! :yayaya:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

How is "CELEBRATING LIFE" a political view? Because you made it one? Because you and your ilk choose to murder living babies in utero? So those of us who choose to be responsible in life, and have morals, can't celebrate the lifes that we raise? Because you feel threatened?

I try every once in awhile to think of the mentality of the radical, progressive liberal but it just hurts my head. How can you easily hate so much in life, including your own flesh and blood so much so that you destroy it? You hate everything and anything that has positivity in it.
You made yourself a success and make more money than me. "I hate you!"
You work harder than me. "I hate you!"
You love your kids. "I HATE YOU!"
You believe in morals and a divine power that guides us... " I HATE ALL OF IT!!!!"
I would like to lock progressives up on an island and watch them start eating themselves. They inherently hate everything that they are, so I imagine it would only take a week or two. Now that would be entertaining!
Hey Jackass, I don't want to hear about your self perceived moral superiority or any other opinion on religion and politics during a football game. The Right Wing war mongering a-holes are no better than anyone else in this country. You don't know what my views on abortion are and they are none of your fooking business anyway.

You're probably one of the people in this country who believes in murdering a murderer (human being), to show that murdering is wrong, and then goes around beating his chest about abortion.

“There are going to be about 100 million of us who won’t be happy for 30 seconds of the Super Bowl,” writes CBS Sports’ Gregg Doyel. “I’m not complaining about the ad because it’s anti-abortion and I’m not. I’m complaining about the ad because it’s pro-politics. And I’m not. Not on Super Sunday.” (http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100128/ts_csm/276423_1)

[Spider]

You don't have to tell me anything about your life to know you're irrelevant as a human being and an organism because you spout your radical believes daily.

In your world, people should be soul-less borgs, cast in a system like lemmings, one not taking precedent over another and when it seems fit, you should be able to delete the next round of your lot whenever you like, without repercussions. Sound about right?

You're an immoral loser, who has no boundries on the vileness of your life. It's quite easy to feel pitty for you, but then I come back to the realization that you're a moron, and you bring it on yourself. In the end, it doesn't matter. You could go play in traffic today, be gone tomorrow, and nobody would miss you or even ask about you except when they want a stupid political comic strip.
Hilarious! you callin him a radical is like Hazbalah callin Al Qadea radical . you are just as ****ed up .............. if not more

[Spider]

Not sure if anyone has seen the ad (I have not) but isnt the Tebow ad more of a pro life commercial than an anti abortion? There is a difference. Asking someone to choice the life option would come across as a pro life ad. Showing ripped up fetus' bodies or women killing themselves in shame would be considered an anti abortion ad. Do the groups that think this is too contraversial because their $ will go down?

if the $$$$ go down and abortion goes down , we all would be happier , But some of us have a have a huge problem with Government tryin to legislate morals .... I am a Dem , I got 6 kids , didnt abort .... but not cause of the government sayin we could or cant , not cause some bible thumper , we didnt cause we wanted the kids .........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Hilarious! you callin him a radical is like Hazbalah callin Al Qadea radical . you are just as ****ed up .............. if not more

Ha!

Couldn't have said it better.

But watching him work himself into a Jesus-based rage and foam at the pie hole is entertaining. ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No, a fertilized egg would be considered a life to some, but you would be a ok "spanking you dolphin" to pictures of Nancy Pelosi while downloading the next cartoon to post. Have at it.

Thanks for helping the pro-choice folks make their case that your determination re: the precise point at which life begins is completely arbitrary (and politically expedient.) :thumbs:

[broncocalijohn]

if the $$$$ go down and abortion goes down , we all would be happier , But some of us have a have a huge problem with Government tryin to legislate morals .... I am a Dem , I got 6 kids , didnt abort .... but not cause of the government sayin we could or cant , not cause some bible thumper , we didnt cause we wanted the kids .........

Spider, government is not having a say on this, CBS is accepting it. I am sure we will all comment on it once the ad is shown. I have nothing against pro life ads. I would have a problem with anti abortion ads and that is a big difference. Celebrating life is wrong? What if the ad states, "Choose adoption" and brought to you by some Adoption Counsel. Would all of you oppose? Is it because it is brought by Focus on the Family that scares you?