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titan
01-18-2010, 02:54 PM
Saw this tweet just now from Jay Glazer:

Jay_Glazer
3:53pm, Jan 18 from txt
i am reporting another shocker, mike nolan and josh mcdaniels have decided to "mutually part ways" in denver

lifeafter elway
01-18-2010, 02:55 PM
what kind of **** is this?

titan
01-18-2010, 02:56 PM
I don't see it from anybody except Glazer so far - hope this isn't true

Ambiguous
01-18-2010, 02:57 PM
You've gotta be kidding me.

Pseudofool
01-18-2010, 02:57 PM
****

Garcia Bronco
01-18-2010, 02:58 PM
Lolz

CHANGSTER
01-18-2010, 02:58 PM
wtf

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-18-2010, 02:59 PM
That makes zero sense.

Then again, maybe it's par for the course.

titan
01-18-2010, 02:59 PM
link: http://twitter.com/Jay_Glazer

KevinJames
01-18-2010, 02:59 PM
Its true I heard we just hired Bob Slowik to replace him.


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TheDave
01-18-2010, 03:00 PM
This better be a ****ing joke...

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-18-2010, 03:00 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Glazer-Denver-Broncos-Mike-Nolan-parting-ways-011810

Updated Jan 18, 2010 5:54 PM ET
On a day when a shocking candidate emerged in Buffalo, a move just as shocking has occurred across the country in Denver.

FOXSports.com has learned that the Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels and defensive coordinator Mike Nolan have “mutually decided” to part ways.

The Broncos defense was 29th the year before McDaniels and Nolan arrived in Denver. Under Nolan’s coaching, the unit shot all the way up and finished 7th. However, for most of the season the Denver defense was actually ranked in the top 3 of most defensive categories.

It’s unknown why the two decided to part ways but Nolan now becomes the hottest defensive coaching candidate on the open market. Teams that need coordinators include the Dolphins, Bills and Bears.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-18-2010, 03:01 PM
**** **** ****ety ****ing **** ****

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-18-2010, 03:03 PM
Denver enters the defensive coordinator derby
Posted by Mike Florio on January 18, 2010 5:59 PM ET
In an offseason that has seen plenty of defensive coordinator jobs open up, another one has become available, in an unexpected location.

Jay Glazer of FOX reports that Broncos coach Josh McDaniels and defensive coordinator Mike Nolan have "mutually decided" to part ways.

The move comes after a season in which Nolan's presence increased the team's performance from No. 29 to No. 7 in total defense.

The reason for the separation isn't known (yet), but the development puts Nolan in play for vacancies in Miami, Buffalo, and Chicago.

Nolan, who uses a base 3-4 scheme, would be a good fit with the Dolphins.

He also could be a fit in Arizona, if coach Ken Whisenhunt decides to dump Bill Davis after the Cardinals surrendered 90 points in two postseason games -- and if Whisenhunt opts to embrace the 3-4 approach used by his former team, the Steelers.

In Arizona, Nolan would be returning the the NFC West, where he served as head coach of the 49ers from 2005 through the first seven games of 2008.

bowtown
01-18-2010, 03:03 PM
Oh ****.

Prodigal19
01-18-2010, 03:03 PM
holy ****, riots are about to go down

lifeafter elway
01-18-2010, 03:03 PM
I swear it is as bizarre now with McDaniels as it was under Shanahan, Minus the 2 trophies of course.

This reminds me of the constant carousel of DCs under Shanny, several who where heralded as great coaches.

mr007
01-18-2010, 03:04 PM
I'm sure Nolan was told originally he'd be maintained though =).

:boxing:
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SoCalBronco
01-18-2010, 03:05 PM
Wtf.

broncosteven
01-18-2010, 03:05 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Glazer-Denver-Broncos-Mike-Nolan-parting-ways-011810

Updated Jan 18, 2010 5:54 PM ET
On a day when a shocking candidate emerged in Buffalo, a move just as shocking has occurred across the country in Denver.

FOXSports.com has learned that the Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels and defensive coordinator Mike Nolan have “mutually decided” to part ways.

The Broncos defense was 29th the year before McDaniels and Nolan arrived in Denver. Under Nolan’s coaching, the unit shot all the way up and finished 7th. However, for most of the season the Denver defense was actually ranked in the top 3 of most defensive categories.

It’s unknown why the two decided to part ways but Nolan now becomes the hottest defensive coaching candidate on the open market. Teams that need coordinators include the Dolphins, Bills and Bears.

TSI you have some Esplaining to do...

Garcia Bronco
01-18-2010, 03:05 PM
Hopefully we can get Nolan to replace him

TheReverend
01-18-2010, 03:06 PM
Wow....

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-18-2010, 03:06 PM
What part of "mutually agreed" do you guys not understand?

Dr. Broncenstein
01-18-2010, 03:06 PM
I do not approve of this move.

broncosteven
01-18-2010, 03:06 PM
When does the drama and bloodletting stop at Dove Valley?

Garcia Bronco
01-18-2010, 03:07 PM
Dude...it seems that McDaniels can piss off anyone, anywhere, at anytime.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-18-2010, 03:07 PM
Dude...it seems that McDaniels can piss off anyone, anywhere, at anytime.

Yeah, aren't these guys on vacation?

bowtown
01-18-2010, 03:08 PM
We better not hire Dean Pees.

TheDave
01-18-2010, 03:08 PM
Dude...it seems that McDaniels can piss off anyone, anywhere, at anytime.

Sure is starting to seem that way...

mr007
01-18-2010, 03:08 PM
This is epic. Goodmans, Bates, Cutler, Nolan.... just sayin!!

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:09 PM
Gaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!! ****!!! :garcia:

broncosteven
01-18-2010, 03:09 PM
What part of "mutually agreed" do you guys not understand?

Sounds like they can't work together so they "Mutually agreed" to part ways.

Maybe they got into it over personell or why they went 2 for last 8 and decided that they were not going to be compatable so Nolan moved on.

GreatBronco16
01-18-2010, 03:09 PM
This can not be happening can it?

Dr. Broncenstein
01-18-2010, 03:10 PM
Of all the crazy **** McDaniels has pulled, I've made peace with most of it. However this is not cool in the slightest. This will not stand, man. This agression will not stand.

broncosteven
01-18-2010, 03:11 PM
Dude...it seems that McDaniels can piss off anyone, anywhere, at anytime.

TSI, pops and the other 6 minions will spin it as follows "Lets wait and see, we don't know why they can't work together who knows maybe McD brings in an even better DC who he worked with at Canton High and we win like the next 50 SB's.... GRRRRR"

ghwk
01-18-2010, 03:12 PM
Maybe Nolan approached McD. Everyone is assuming McD is the instigator. Just sayin'.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-18-2010, 03:12 PM
Of all the crazy **** McDaniels has pulled, I've made peace with most of it. However this is not cool in the slightest. This will not stand, man. This agression will not stand.

Can we at least find out why the decided to before we assume anything? i guess that wouldnt be the way of the Mane though

Gob
01-18-2010, 03:12 PM
TSI, pops and the other 6 minions will spin it as follows "Lets wait and see, we don't know why they can't work together who knows maybe McD brings in an even better DC who he worked with at Canton High and we win like the next 50 SB's.... GRRRRR"

I expect a bunch of "Nolan was overrated by fans" threads.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-18-2010, 03:13 PM
Sounds like they can't work together so they "Mutually agreed" to part ways.

Maybe they got into it over personell or why they went 2 for last 8 and decided that they were not going to be compatable so Nolan moved on.

Or maybe Nolan's in the running for an Associate Head Coaching job somewhere, or is the front runner for a head coaching spot himself, or maybe he's an alien and returning to his home planet.

Until someone other than Glazer is reporting it -- honestly, I don't know enough about the guy to know whether he's reliable or not -- I'll be skeptical.

And maybe Nolan thinks he's the reason we gave up 44 points to the ****ing chiefs. /shrug

broncosteven
01-18-2010, 03:13 PM
Maybe Nolan approached McD. Everyone is assuming McD is the instigator. Just sayin'.

That is what I am thinking, Nolan decided he was tired of working for McD and they mutually agreed for Nolan to leave.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-18-2010, 03:13 PM
NFL Network saying mutual parting, but McDaniels wanted more power in calling the defense. Nolan wanted to run his own thing without interruption.

Garcia Bronco
01-18-2010, 03:13 PM
That is what I am thinking, Nolan decided he was tired of working for McD and they mutually agreed for Nolan to leave.

Exactly.

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:14 PM
Maybe Nolan approached McD. Everyone is assuming McD is the instigator. Just sayin'.

Surely he can't be looking at getting back into the head coaching game already, can he?

SonOfLe-loLang
01-18-2010, 03:14 PM
That is what I am thinking, Nolan decided he was tired of working for McD and they mutually agreed for Nolan to leave.

Maybe Nolan cheated on his wife and needed to get out of denver before she killed him. Can we FIND OUT WHY first before we commence the witch hunt?

broncosteven
01-18-2010, 03:14 PM
Or maybe Nolan's in the running for an Associate Head Coaching job somewhere, or is the front runner for a head coaching spot himself, or maybe he's an alien and returning to his home planet.

Until someone other than Glazer is reporting it -- honestly, I don't know enough about the guy to know whether he's reliable or not -- I'll be skeptical.

And maybe Nolan thinks he's the reason we gave up 44 points to the ****ing chiefs. /shrug

Keep the faith until TSI and Pops show up, unless this pushes them over the edge also.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-18-2010, 03:14 PM
Can we at least find out why the decided to before we assume anything? i guess that wouldnt be the way of the Mane though

Honestly I don't care what the reason was. I'd rather McDaniels leave and keep Nolan as the head coach.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-18-2010, 03:14 PM
Leslie Frazier: AHC/DC

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:15 PM
NFL Network saying mutual parting, but McDaniels wanted more power in calling the defense. Nolan wanted to run his own thing without interruption.

Well now I'm curious as to what kind of defense he would have preferred to have. Jesus I hope he wants more blitzing.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-18-2010, 03:15 PM
Honestly I don't care what the reason was. I'd rather McDaniels left and keep Nolan as the head coach.

Yeah, because he was so successful during his stint in SF

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 03:15 PM
Count down to Nolan was over-rated and our D broke down toward the end of the season in 5,4,3,2,1......

chrisp
01-18-2010, 03:15 PM
Oh dear. Oh deary deary me.

I'm wondering if it isn't every bit as 'mutual' as the story suggests....sounds like they've had a falling out or disagreement about something.

This annoys me becuase I feel that in building a team we need consistency. The drop-off in the defense was deeply upsetting, but it was still a vastly improved unit from the previous year, and I was looking forward to Nolan filling in the gaps.

The only positive is that its early in the offseason - maybe McD will promote from within so we can build on the improvement. I doubt we'll ever know what was really at the heart of the disagreement, however so we'll just have to sit nervously waiting for the start of next season and feverishly speculating.

...still not succumbing to the 'sky is falling' brigade though - next season is key, but its still too early to judge McD....

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-18-2010, 03:15 PM
leslie frazier: Ahc/dc

for it.

Pony Boy
01-18-2010, 03:16 PM
I bet it's because he refused to wear a hoodie......

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:16 PM
Count down to Nolan was over-rated and our D broke down toward the end of the season in 5,4,3,2,1......

Whatever, Nolan was overrated and our D broke down toward the end of the season.


:thanku:

broncosteven
01-18-2010, 03:16 PM
NFL Network saying mutual parting, but McDaniels wanted more power in calling the defense. Nolan wanted to run his own thing without interruption.

Sounds like a HC that likes TOTAL CONTROL to me.

BigPlayShay
01-18-2010, 03:16 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/01/18/nolan-leaves/

Broncos defensive coordinator Mike Nolan resigned after meeting Monday with head coach Josh McDaniels.

“”I can’t say anything other than Josh and I mutually agreed to part ways,” Nolan said.

Bronco LB52
01-18-2010, 03:16 PM
NFL Network saying mutual parting, but McDaniels wanted more power in calling the defense. Nolan wanted to run his own thing without interruption.

As if calling the offensive plays isn't enough for McDickless?

TheDave
01-18-2010, 03:16 PM
NFL Network saying mutual parting, but McDaniels wanted more power in calling the defense. Nolan wanted to run his own thing without interruption.

What?

The kid had enough problems calling the offense... now he wants more power calling the D?

There has to be more to this.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-18-2010, 03:17 PM
Leslie Frazier: AHC/DC

Why would this make any sense for leslie? If he's gonna switch job, its gonna be for his own gig.

Houshyamama
01-18-2010, 03:17 PM
Excellent. Because the defense was our problem, not the offense.


Get out of here Nolan, no one wants you and your good coaching!

I've been a McD supporter through most of this but I just don't understand what he's doing on this one. If Nolan just up and left, I put this one on McD for not retaining the best parts of his staff.

brother love
01-18-2010, 03:17 PM
Maybe Norv Turner is getting the ax and Nolan already has accepted the head coach job in SanDiego.

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:18 PM
Leslie Frazier: AHC/DC

Srsly? The drop off in talent moving to our squad would be mindblowing. Also would that be a switch back to a 4-3?

SonOfLe-loLang
01-18-2010, 03:18 PM
As if calling the offensive plays isn't enough for McDickless?

Here we go. McDickless. Another gem.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-18-2010, 03:19 PM
Here's your answer:

McDaniels, Pees could be reuniting
Posted by Mike Florio on January 18, 2010 6:13 PM ET
As we process the surprising news that Mike Nolan has left the Broncos after one successful season, the most obvious candidate to replace him is former Patriots defensive coordinator Dean Pees.

Pees left the Patriots after the 2009 season, when his contract expired. There are differing accounts as to whether he left by choice.

Pees and McDaniels spent five years together in New England. During 2007's 18-0 start that ended with a loud thud, McDaniels ran the offense and Pees ran the defense.

If Pees goes to Denver, two sets of former Patriots coordinators would be inhabiting the AFC West; earlier this month, former offensive coordinator Charlie Weis and former defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel joined the Chiefs.

broncosteven
01-18-2010, 03:20 PM
...

I put this one on McD for not retaining the best parts of his staff.

Or Roster...

lifeafter elway
01-18-2010, 03:20 PM
what 3-4 guys are available now. What is mora's specialty?

Dr. Broncenstein
01-18-2010, 03:20 PM
Yeah, because he was so successful during his stint in SF

The majority of superbowl winning coaches didn't succeed at their first head coaching position. According to your logic, Belichik shouldn't be in charge at New England. Tom Coughlin should have retired after Jacksonville. Hell, Shanny should have never coached the Broncos.

HAT
01-18-2010, 03:21 PM
I doubt there's a person here who thinks Nolan is or was overrated.

Not quite understanding all the uproar about it though. Coaches come and go just like players do.

Good on ya Mike for helping turn around a terrible unit in such a short time. Best of luck to him.

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:22 PM
Here's your answer:

McDaniels, Pees could be reuniting
Posted by Mike Florio on January 18, 2010 6:13 PM ET
As we process the surprising news that Mike Nolan has left the Broncos after one successful season, the most obvious candidate to replace him is former Patriots defensive coordinator Dean Pees.

Pees left the Patriots after the 2009 season, when his contract expired. There are differing accounts as to whether he left by choice.

Pees and McDaniels spent five years together in New England. During 2007's 18-0 start that ended with a loud thud, McDaniels ran the offense and Pees ran the defense.

If Pees goes to Denver, two sets of former Patriots coordinators would be inhabiting the AFC West; earlier this month, former offensive coordinator Charlie Weis and former defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel joined the Chiefs.


100% speculation, but a logical conclusion.

Well, it's not like Pees sucks. The Pats D was ravaged by injury this year and still hung in there most of the time.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-18-2010, 03:22 PM
Pees: Not seeking contract renewal
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Patriots defensive coordinator Dean Pees, whose contract expires at the end of the month, will not return to the team, he announced Thursday. Pees had served as the team's coordinator since 2006.

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Kirby Lee/Image of Sport/US PresswirePatriots defensive coordinator Dean Pees says it's time to pursue other opportunities.

Pees released this statement through the Patriots Thursday night:

"My contract with the New England Patriots will expire in a couple of weeks and I have informed Mr. Kraft and Coach Belichick that I will not seek to renew it. I enjoyed my time in New England, but feel this is the right time to pursue other opportunities. I had the privilege of working with some great coaches and great players over the past six seasons and leave the Patriots with some wonderful memories that will last a lifetime. In addition to the players and coaching staff, I want to thank the Kraft family, the media and the fans for all of their support."

The Patriots ranked fifth in fewest points allowed in 2009, although the defense -- which was transitioning from a veteran unit to one with more youth -- struggled to close out games at times.

Pees initially joined the Patriots staff in 2004 after serving as head coach at Kent State from 1998 to 2003. He had spent his entire career in college prior to joining New England, serving as linebackers coach for two seasons before replacing Eric Mangini as coordinator.

Health could have been a factor in the decision. In the season finale at Houston, Pees left the game during the second half with shortness of breath and was admitted to the hospital. He checked out fine and flew home to New England the following day.

Pees, 60, underwent prostate cancer surgery last summer, and then battled a blood clot in his leg, according to the Boston Globe. He's reportedly now cancer-free, but has faced other medical scares.

"It's time for my wife and I to just sit back now, and not commit to anything," Pees told the Globe. "I want to be fair to New England because of how well the Patriots have treated me. I had some reservations, and to be fair to everyone, this had to be done."

As for a possible replacement, in-house candidates include linebackers coach Matt Patricia and defensive line coach Pepper Johnson.

Ray Finkle
01-18-2010, 03:22 PM
Funny... a certain insider wrote me something that said he wouldn't be shocked to see Nolan jump to another team.....I laughed it off....fudge.

TheReverend
01-18-2010, 03:24 PM
Well...

At least our defense will be called to stop the screen

broncosteven
01-18-2010, 03:24 PM
Pees: Not seeking contract renewal
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By Mike Reiss
ESPNBoston.com
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Patriots defensive coordinator Dean Pees, whose contract expires at the end of the month, will not return to the team, he announced Thursday. Pees had served as the team's coordinator since 2006.

[+] EnlargeDean Pees
Kirby Lee/Image of Sport/US PresswirePatriots defensive coordinator Dean Pees says it's time to pursue other opportunities.

Pees released this statement through the Patriots Thursday night:

"My contract with the New England Patriots will expire in a couple of weeks and I have informed Mr. Kraft and Coach Belichick that I will not seek to renew it. I enjoyed my time in New England, but feel this is the right time to pursue other opportunities. I had the privilege of working with some great coaches and great players over the past six seasons and leave the Patriots with some wonderful memories that will last a lifetime. In addition to the players and coaching staff, I want to thank the Kraft family, the media and the fans for all of their support."

The Patriots ranked fifth in fewest points allowed in 2009, although the defense -- which was transitioning from a veteran unit to one with more youth -- struggled to close out games at times.

Pees initially joined the Patriots staff in 2004 after serving as head coach at Kent State from 1998 to 2003. He had spent his entire career in college prior to joining New England, serving as linebackers coach for two seasons before replacing Eric Mangini as coordinator.

Health could have been a factor in the decision. In the season finale at Houston, Pees left the game during the second half with shortness of breath and was admitted to the hospital. He checked out fine and flew home to New England the following day.

Pees, 60, underwent prostate cancer surgery last summer, and then battled a blood clot in his leg, according to the Boston Globe. He's reportedly now cancer-free, but has faced other medical scares.

"It's time for my wife and I to just sit back now, and not commit to anything," Pees told the Globe. "I want to be fair to New England because of how well the Patriots have treated me. I had some reservations, and to be fair to everyone, this had to be done."

As for a possible replacement, in-house candidates include linebackers coach Matt Patricia and defensive line coach Pepper Johnson.

I thought Belly let him go, didn't know it was his decision.

SoCalBronco
01-18-2010, 03:26 PM
So he's getting rid of Nolan because he wants another New Englander?

Jeez.

GoBroncos84
01-18-2010, 03:26 PM
Of all the crazy **** McDaniels has pulled, I've made peace with most of it. However this is not cool in the slightest. This will not stand, man. This agression will not stand.

It amazes me how I can be cheered up by random Big Lebowski references no matter what is going on...

Mountain Bronco
01-18-2010, 03:27 PM
FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU

It is the lack of a consistent scheme that kills me. We basically have McD and a staff of yes men. Why did we get rid of Shanny if we end up right back here????

To be fair I was a McDaniels supporter, and will continue to be so for one more year and he better show improvement.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-18-2010, 03:28 PM
Apparently, former New England coaches are badass. There are so many of them scattered among the 4 teams remaining.

Bronco Yoda
01-18-2010, 03:28 PM
This is all a joke....right? As if last off season was bad enough.

WTF is happening to our team!

ol number 7
01-18-2010, 03:28 PM
I thought Belly let him go, didn't know it was his decision.

Could only be that Marshall hates Nolan

KevinJames
01-18-2010, 03:30 PM
Lets get Pepper Johnson before NE can make him their DC gogogoogo

Pony Boy
01-18-2010, 03:30 PM
I think a lot of us had a gut feeling he would not be here next year, but not this way.... I thought he would take a head coach position somewhere.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-18-2010, 03:30 PM
He's just creating his own rope, and giving less room for error to himself. If next year's D is suddenly terrible... might be a quick exit for McD.

I like the guy a lot, but this... I just don't like this at all.

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:31 PM
Is Dom Capers eligible to be nabbed if we called him an Associate Head Coach? I seem to recall lots of fuss being made about his relationship with McD shorty after we hired him last year. And Capers worked wonders in Green Bay.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 03:31 PM
I'm dying to hear some super fans take on this. They had such high praises for McD bringing in Nolan in the offseason. The spin on this should be epic.

HILife
01-18-2010, 03:32 PM
Saw this tweet just now from Jay Glazer:

Jay_Glazer
3:53pm, Jan 18 from txt
i am reporting another shocker, mike nolan and josh mcdaniels have decided to "mutually part ways" in denver

what?

Merlin
01-18-2010, 03:33 PM
Honestly I don't care what the reason was. I'd rather McDaniels leave and keep Nolan as the head coach.
Agreed. That was THE ONLY redeeming value of McD this yr. He was a failure at virtually everything else. I wanted to give him another yr, but if he has influenced Nolan to leave, then his ego is just too big for a HC and must be kept as OC until he grows up. The list of extremely qualified people leaving since his inception is astonishing, especially since he has proven ABSOLUTELY NOTHING as a HC. On the contrary, he has raised many questions about his abilities.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-18-2010, 03:33 PM
I'm dying to hear some super fans take on this. They had such high praises for McD bringing in Nolan in the offseason. The spin on this should be epic.

What's worse? You bitching about people bitching about people like you? Or you acting just like the people you bitch about?

SureShot
01-18-2010, 03:33 PM
Nice the offseason has officially started. Time to put up the tent.

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Dr. Broncenstein
01-18-2010, 03:33 PM
If Nolan can't help you win, you are the problem. Goddammit so much.

theAPAOps5
01-18-2010, 03:33 PM
Well I can no longer support McD. The defense was fixed minus some upgrades. Good leaders lead, they don't micromanage.
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titan
01-18-2010, 03:34 PM
5 defensive coordinators in 5 years?? Coyer 06, Bates 07, Slowik 08, Nolan 09, who will the lucky bronco defensive coordinator be in 2010???

How can you build any kind of defense changing coordinators every year?!!!

SureShot
01-18-2010, 03:34 PM
Well I can no longer support McD. The defense was fixed minus some upgrades. Good leaders lead, they don't micromanage.
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Say it aint so Apa!

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 03:35 PM
If Nolan can't help you win, you are the problem. Goddammit so much.

WTF? When has Nolan all of a sudden become a steroid?

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-18-2010, 03:35 PM
Why do I keep hearing Yakkity Sax?

houghtam
01-18-2010, 03:36 PM
Well I can no longer support McD. The defense was fixed minus some upgrades. Good leaders lead, they don't micromanage.
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If it turns out McD was the cause of it all, these will be my sentiments, as well.

Merlin
01-18-2010, 03:36 PM
I can't believe the joy of the Jets game has already been ruined.

My guess is B7 must be dying to participate in this thread. That bet must be killing him :D

Doggcow
01-18-2010, 03:36 PM
I'm dying to hear some super fans take on this. They had such high praises for McD bringing in Nolan in the offseason. The spin on this should be epic.

You're telling me bringing in Nolan was a bad move? There's no way to say this was a bad move yet.

I'm a Nolan fan, and am upset with him leaving, however, it did say Mutually part ways, not fired.

GreatBronco16
01-18-2010, 03:37 PM
So I guess we will be going back to the 4-3 also right?

Bronco LB52
01-18-2010, 03:37 PM
5 defensive coordinators in 5 years?? Coyer 06, Bates 07, Slowik 08, Nolan 09, who will the lucky bronco defensive coordinator be in 2010???

How can you build any kind of defense changing coordinators every year?!!!

D.J. Williams and Champ Bailey have dealt with a lot.

broncofan2438
01-18-2010, 03:37 PM
Bunch of idiots. This team is in shambles

TDmvp
01-18-2010, 03:37 PM
WTF is going on .... Just seen the scroll on espn that he is gone.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 03:37 PM
What's worse? You b****ing about people b****ing about people like you? Or you acting just like the people you b**** about?

:thumbsup: Nice. Do you need any more material of mine to use?

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:37 PM
Agreed. That was THE ONLY redeeming value of McD this yr. He was a failure at virtually everything else. I wanted to give him another yr, but if he has influenced Nolan to leave, then his ego is just too big for a HC and must be kept as OC until he grows up. The list of extremely qualified people leaving since his inception is astonishing, especially since he has proven ABSOLUTELY NOTHING as a HC. On the contrary, he has raised many questions about his abilities.

I wouldn't call the wins against the Pats, Cowboys, Chargers and Giants absolutely nothing, those were huge. He definitely seems to butt heads with pretty much everyone, but most HCs have epic egos. (Seriously, has everyone already forgotten Shanny? That man was detested.) This definitely isn't a promising development, but let's put the mass suicide on hold for now.

theAPAOps5
01-18-2010, 03:39 PM
Say it aint so Apa!

Well I only supported him so vehemently because everyone deserves at least a full season before being criticized at the level he was.

I thought things were great the way the team started. But the second half of the season made me a little weary even though I still thought he would end up being good.

Then the way he handled benching Marshall and Scheffler made me question him even more. He sent assistants to do his dirty work. He also publicly called out an injured player. I have yet to see anyone support him in that. Even if it was Marshall. My first thought was no big deal with this but if you listen to the players AND coaches they thought this was a huge mistake.

But the final straw is this. IF its true he wanted more control of the Defense he just isn't ready to be a head coach. You surround yourself with successful individuals and you lead them. You don't meddle in their business.

Maybe I am just shocked this happened and blowing it out of proportion but damn its one thing after another with this guy.

Ambiguous
01-18-2010, 03:39 PM
5 defensive coordinators in 5 years?? Coyer 06, Bates 07, Slowik 08, Nolan 09, who will the lucky bronco defensive coordinator be in 2010???

How can you build any kind of defense changing coordinators every year?!!!

Solution: Bring back Slowik.





















/just kidding

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:39 PM
So I guess we will be going back to the 4-3 also right?

Doubt it, as soon as McD was hired it was common knowledge he prefers a 3-4.

SureShot
01-18-2010, 03:39 PM
WTF? When has Nolan all of a sudden become a steroid?

I think taking a team from 30th in points allowed to 11th is the definition of a PED.

Merlin
01-18-2010, 03:39 PM
Count down to Nolan was over-rated and our D broke down toward the end of the season in 5,4,3,2,1......
LOL

That goes without saying. In fact, it is Nolan's fault we didn't make the playoffs. He totally chocked in the last 4 games and regressed the team to 08. Luckily we have McD to resolve this issue before it poisons our 2010 season.

Bronco Yoda
01-18-2010, 03:39 PM
Is it 2012 already?

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 03:39 PM
We don't know what happened. Period - Nolan could have requested more power, etc... but who knows we will see.

gyldenlove
01-18-2010, 03:40 PM
Holy ****, our defense went from pitiful to competitive with scrubs and now the man behind that transformation is gone?

There better be a good reason for this, this organization is quickly becoming a joke if they keep making these decisions.

Killericon
01-18-2010, 03:40 PM
**** **** **** **** **** **** ****.

****.

24champ
01-18-2010, 03:40 PM
(Sighs)

Here we go again...


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DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 03:40 PM
You're telling me bringing in Nolan was a bad move? There's no way to say this was a bad move yet.

I'm a Nolan fan, and am upset with him leaving, however, it did say Mutually part ways, not fired.

No I think it was a great move. I don't think it is as cut and dry as Nolan wanted to go elsewhere so McD said OK.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-18-2010, 03:40 PM
:thumbsup: Nice. Do you need any more material of mine to use?

It's a legit question. You complain about people doing exactly what you do.

But sure. Keep giving me that dynamite material. :wave:

SureShot
01-18-2010, 03:40 PM
Maybe I am just shocked this happened and blowing it out of proportion but damn its one thing after another with this guy.

It is very hard to argue there isnt a trend with him.

Popps
01-18-2010, 03:40 PM
TSI, pops and the other 6 minions will spin it as follows "Lets wait and see, we don't know why they can't work together who knows maybe McD brings in an even better DC who he worked with at Canton High and we win like the next 50 SB's.... GRRRRR"

Wrong. I hate this move. But, I'll let it play out to see what really happened. On the surface, it looks really bad.

Steve Prefontaine
01-18-2010, 03:41 PM
****. this sucks.

titan
01-18-2010, 03:41 PM
koa radio on word from the broncos:

coach mcdaniels has the upmost respect for mike nolan. McD won't make any comments right now - he will issue a press release

dave logan:

mcdaniels had an exit interview with mike nolan and a difference of opinion may have come up. can't speculate now whose idea this was (mcd or nolan). from a pr standpoint when you struggle down the stretch (going 2-8) the last thing you want to happen now is something like this

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 03:41 PM
I think taking a team from 30th in points allowed to 11th is the definition of a PED.

Yeah - and massively failing on defense in the second half of the season?

Not taking anything away from Nolan - but our offense did get better as the season progressed and the defense got worse - just saying.

Who knows what happened is all I'm saying...

Broncoman13
01-18-2010, 03:41 PM
Can we go back to calling him Mcfookface now?

SouthStndJunkie
01-18-2010, 03:42 PM
This sucks big fat purple dog boners.

Is Josh incapable of getting along with anyone?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-18-2010, 03:42 PM
Can we go back to calling him Mcfookface now?

did you ever stop?

McDman
01-18-2010, 03:43 PM
Slowik! Slowik! Slowik!

SureShot
01-18-2010, 03:43 PM
I wont believe it until Josina tweets.

Broncoman13
01-18-2010, 03:43 PM
did you ever stop?

Oh yeah... long time ago. I'm a nice guy. ;D

Soul-Bronco
01-18-2010, 03:43 PM
I'm a mc daniels supporter but this crappy has me miffed , I mean wtf

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-18-2010, 03:44 PM
I wont believe it until Josina tweets.

:notworthy

Well done, sir.

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:45 PM
I wont believe it until Josina tweets.

Oh man, if Nolan was black she'd be all over this like...Josina on a lie.

worm
01-18-2010, 03:45 PM
It sure appears like Josh has the largest ego I have ever seen as a head coach.

Time will tell...however I expect Nolan will keep it VERY professional and just leave it as 'mutually agreed'. However, the rumor-mill will be gearing up.

Steve Prefontaine
01-18-2010, 03:45 PM
Yeah - and massively failing on defense in the second half of the season?

Not taking anything away from Nolan - but our offense did get better as the season progressed and the defense got worse - just saying.

Who knows what happened is all I'm saying...

Ugh. I am not sure you could support that.

cabronco
01-18-2010, 03:46 PM
I can't fuggin believe this shat. Nolan was the only positive that kept me going thru all this termoil with the players and the coach and the way the season ended up. I thought if nothing else the D was finally going in the right direction. Sure I dont know why they mutually agreed to depart, but I know there hasnt been any continuity with d-coaches coming in each season with their own way of doing things thats mostly failed up until Nolan came aboard. Wow this sucks big time.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-18-2010, 03:46 PM
It sure appears like Josh has the largest ego I have ever seen as a head coach.

Time will tell...however I expect Nolan will keep it VERY professional and just leave it as 'mutually agreed'. However, the rumor-mill will be gearing up.

I would guess that McD will keep it VERY professional as well. He's already said he has the utmost respect for Nolan and will be making a prepared statement.

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:47 PM
It sure appears like Josh has the largest ego I have ever seen as a head coach.

Time will tell...however I expect Nolan will keep it VERY professional and just leave it as 'mutually agreed'. However, the rumor-mill will be gearing up.

Yeah we'll find out soon. Maybe he interviews in Buffalo right away? Maybe someone needing a DC scoops him right up? Maybe he goes into the fetal position for a year? (that one would confirm that McD is a bully)

titan
01-18-2010, 03:47 PM
Adam Shefter on KOA:

This one caught people by surprise. Mike Nolan won't have to wait for work long - miami dolphins already requesting an interview. Issues arose on how the season ended - clearly their ideas did not mesh together.

I don't know if Dean Pees(?) is going to be the guy as the new d-coordinator.

We won't know what the issues were between McD and Nolan anytime soon.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-18-2010, 03:47 PM
The majority of superbowl winning coaches didn't succeed at their first head coaching position. According to your logic, Belichik shouldn't be in charge at New England. Tom Coughlin should have retired after Jacksonville. Hell, Shanny should have never coached the Broncos.

Point taken, though with the exception of coughlin, Belichick, Shanny were kinda young. Nolan is 50 and has been in the league a long time. Plus, to me, nothing about this guy screams head coach. Good coordinator, sure, but i dont think he'll ever be much of a head coach

Bronco Yoda
01-18-2010, 03:48 PM
Well I can no longer support McD. The defense was fixed minus some upgrades. Good leaders lead, they don't micromanage.
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PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:50 PM
Point taken, though with the exception of coughlin, Belichick, Shanny were kinda young. Nolan is 50 and has been in the league a long time. Plus, to me, nothing about this guy screams head coach. Good coordinator, sure, but i dont think he'll ever be much of a head coach

Yeah, the fact that Mike Singletary turned that mess in SF into a winner is not a ringing endorsement for Nolan as an HC. I think Singletary might be a lunatic. He reminds me of Carl Weathers' cameos in Arrested Development.

*edit* Wait, were they winners? I dont' remember their record. Turned them into not an embarrassment.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-18-2010, 03:50 PM
If it turns out McD was the cause of it all, these will be my sentiments, as well.

Well, i agree to a point. If the results are worse, then i'll agree wholeheartedly

bronco militia
01-18-2010, 03:50 PM
**** you josh

look in the god damn mirror

BigPlayShay
01-18-2010, 03:50 PM
I wont believe it until Josina tweets.

Oh she's on it, texting and calling all the players she has slept errrrrrrrrrrr has contact with:

Nolan Reax: Just got off the phone with a Broncos Linebacker. He said, "wow this is news to me. Are you serious? let me make some calls."

I hope that there is better communication to the Broncos players on foxsports.com's report that Nolan is out.

Now a Broncos defensive lineman just text me "what? why?" in regards to Nolan reportedly being out. Linebacker just called back irritated.

Broncos D lineman Ryan McBean on Nolan: "It's too bad because I only got to know him for one season. He was truly a player's coach."

McBean is among a # of Broncos players who were not informed of Nolan's reported resignation before I called them. Too many "wow's" 2 count

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 03:50 PM
Ugh. I am not sure you could support that.

Well the fact that we lost as the season progressive my argument would be pretty weak...but when watching all 16 games you did see the comfort level of the offense increase each week.

Rohirrim
01-18-2010, 03:51 PM
Just saw this...


uber sux

OBF1
01-18-2010, 03:52 PM
I was riding the light rail today and heard that Nolan did not want to resign Doom Nor did he want to draft defensive players on days 1 and 2 of the upcoming draft.... Well McDefense told Nolan to eat shiat and fired him.

With this new bit of insider information we can now all put this to rest and resume our normal offseason draft thread talk.

I am glad I could clear this all up for you.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 03:52 PM
Well the fact that we lost as the season progressive my argument would be pretty weak...but when watching all 16 games you did see the comfort level of the offense increase each week.

Too bad points didn't

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:53 PM
Oh she's on it, texting and calling all the players she has slept errrrrrrrrrrr has contact with:

Nolan Reax: Just got off the phone with a Broncos Linebacker. He said, "wow this is news to me. Are you serious? let me make some calls."

I hope that there is better communication to the Broncos players on foxsports.com's report that Nolan is out.

Now a Broncos defensive lineman just text me "what? why?" in regards to Nolan reportedly being out. Linebacker just called back irritated.

Broncos D lineman Ryan McBean on Nolan: "It's too bad because I only got to know him for one season. He was truly a player's coach."

McBean is among a # of Broncos players who were not informed of Nolan's reported resignation before I called them. Too many "wow's" 2 count


Wow I seriously thought you were making those up at first. I like how she's trying to make it into a scandal because Ryan McBean wasn't notified before it broke on the internets.

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 03:53 PM
NFL Network saying mutual parting, but McDaniels wanted more power in calling the defense. Nolan wanted to run his own thing without interruption.

That would make sense. There was alot of talk here at the beginning of the season about how McD told Nolan that they were going to run an aggressive, attacking defense like the Patriots do, which is a pretty stark comparison to the read and react defenses that Nolan was known to run at his previous stops.

Admittedly, this is the first move Josh has made that has me feeling a little uneasy, but I'm not too worried yet.

ZachKC
01-18-2010, 03:53 PM
Nolan is a strong coach. Thats tough for you guys.

backup qb
01-18-2010, 03:54 PM
When does the drama and bloodletting stop at Dove Valley?

Hopefully the day after Mcmoron is fired-which can't happen fast enough.

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:54 PM
That would make sense. There was alot of talk here at the beginning of the season about how McD told Nolan that they were going to run an aggressive, attacking defense like the Patriots do, which is a pretty stark comparison to the read and react defenses that Nolan was known to run at his previous stops.

Admittedly, this is the first move Josh has made that has me feeling a little uneasy, but I'm not too worried yet.

Oh ****ing eh, that makes me feel a little better. At least I'll be able to eat dinner now.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-18-2010, 03:55 PM
Oh she's on it, texting and calling all the players she has slept errrrrrrrrrrr has contact with:

Nolan Reax: Just got off the phone with a Broncos Linebacker. He said, "wow this is news to me. Are you serious? let me make some calls."

I hope that there is better communication to the Broncos players on foxsports.com's report that Nolan is out.

Now a Broncos defensive lineman just text me "what? why?" in regards to Nolan reportedly being out. Linebacker just called back irritated.

Broncos D lineman Ryan McBean on Nolan: "It's too bad because I only got to know him for one season. He was truly a player's coach."

McBean is among a # of Broncos players who were not informed of Nolan's reported resignation before I called them. Too many "wow's" 2 count

I learned after the last time I read one of her tweets and wanted to punch my screen that I probably shouldn't follow some upwardly mobile slut who makes me angry every time I see her face.

VanDolPhan
01-18-2010, 03:55 PM
I'll take him here in Miami over Pasq. Big time upgrade.

Popps
01-18-2010, 03:55 PM
I think a lot of us had a gut feeling he would not be here next year, but not this way.... I thought he would take a head coach position somewhere.

Could he still get a coaching offer? I'd think so.

tsiguy96
01-18-2010, 03:57 PM
damn, what the hell is mcdaniels doing?

ive always said to look for trends, and his trends is that he cant get along with anyone it seems. i REALLY hope he has a great plan now.

Rohirrim
01-18-2010, 03:57 PM
Dean Pees on top of the rumor pile:

Despite not playing football while attending college at Bowling Green University, Pees began his coaching career in 1979 at the University of Findlay as their defensive coordinator and secondary coach following six years as a high school coach. In 1983, Pees moved to Miami University, where he was also the defensive coordinator and secondary coach of the team. From 1987 to 1989, Pees served as the secondary coach at the United States Naval Academy. Pees then took the defensive coordinator job at the University of Toledo, which he held for four seasons with the team. He spent the 1994 season under head coach Lou Holtz as the secondary coach for the University of Notre Dame. From 1995 to 1997, Pees worked as the defensive coordinator and inside linebackers coach under Nick Saban at Michigan State University. In 1998, he earned his first head coaching job at Kent State University. When Pees left the program after the 2003 season, his six-year stint made him the longest tenured head football coach in the school's history. (wiki)

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 03:57 PM
Too bad points didn't

It's a damn shame.

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:58 PM
Could he still get a coaching offer? I'd think so.

I think Buffalo would take whatever they can get at this point. They seem to be getting passed over by a lot of candidates.

TDmvp
01-18-2010, 03:58 PM
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backup qb
01-18-2010, 03:58 PM
That would appear to be the case TSI. This guy can't leave Denver fast enough.

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 03:58 PM
damn, what the hell is mcdaniels doing?

ive always said to look for trends, and his trends is that he cant get along with anyone it seems. i REALLY hope he has a great plan now.

Meh, can't have trends after 1 year. Now next offseason, let's **** some bricks.

backup qb
01-18-2010, 04:00 PM
I think it is safe to say his alarming inability to get along/manage people is a trend anyway you want to spin it.

SouthStndJunkie
01-18-2010, 04:01 PM
**** you josh

look in the god damn mirror

Somebody will have to get him a step stool, so he can see himself in the mirror.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-18-2010, 04:01 PM
I think it is safe to say his alarming inability to get along/manage people is a trend anyway you want to spin it.

If you're sure that's actually what's going on, then you might have a point. But unless you actually are a backup QB, I'd say you don't know ****.

I think everyone should back away from the ledge and see wtf happens.

Bronco Yoda
01-18-2010, 04:02 PM
I'd like to be a fly on the wall in Bowlen's office right about now.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 04:03 PM
Pees wasn't healthy enough for the Pats now suddenly he is OK enough to coach for us? I'm not sure I'm liking the idea of bringing in a guy that might not be able to put in as much time as we need at DC. I don't think Pees is a bad coach but if McD is going to have to pick up more of the coaching load because of Pees health then we are in trouble.

tsiguy96
01-18-2010, 04:04 PM
I'd like to be a fly on the wall in Bowlen's office right about now.

absolutely. its a combination of him being completely taught in an environment where the head coach ahs absolutely final say on everything and is not really questioned, as well as the players we had on the team often times being "me first" guys, but what the hell is this all about? theres really no reason for nolan to leave this staff.

backup qb
01-18-2010, 04:04 PM
If you're sure that's actually what's going on, then you might have a point. But unless you actually are a backup QB, I'd say you don't know ****.

I think everyone should back away from the ledge and see wtf happens.

Not knowing **** would seem to be something most of us on here have in common.

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 04:05 PM
Pees wasn't healthy enough for the Pats now suddenly he is OK enough to coach for us? I'm not sure I'm liking the idea of bringing in a guy that might not be able to put in as much time as we need at DC. I don't think Pees is a bad coach but if McD is going to have to pick up more of the coaching load because of Pees health then we are in trouble.

There's a press release earlier in this thread on Pees. His contract was up, he didn't quit because he wasn't healthy enough.

backup qb
01-18-2010, 04:06 PM
What happened to the "buck" stopping with Bowlen? Was that just his BS excuse for making an irrational emotional decision when he canned Shanny?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-18-2010, 04:06 PM
Not knowing **** would seem to be something most of us on here have in common.

That's what I'm saying.

VanDolPhan
01-18-2010, 04:07 PM
So question from a Miami fan. What type of 3-4 Defense does Nolan run?

OBF1
01-18-2010, 04:08 PM
Gutless drunk!!!

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 04:08 PM
If you're sure that's actually what's going on, then you might have a point. But unless you actually are a backup QB, I'd say you don't know ****.

I think everyone should back away from the ledge and see wtf happens.

That is the problem. The ledge keeps getting closer and closer with McD. Pretty soon we will have no ground to step back onto.

Traveler
01-18-2010, 04:08 PM
All I can say is WOW!

Popps
01-18-2010, 04:08 PM
If we land Pees, this is much less of a disaster. But, I still need more info on why.

JJJ
01-18-2010, 04:08 PM
Nolan wanted to wear a suit on the sideline but McD insisted he wears a hoody.

This should put the breaks on those SD bashing threads though. Those were painful.

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 04:09 PM
But the final straw is this. IF its true he wanted more control of the Defense he just isn't ready to be a head coach. You surround yourself with successful individuals and you lead them. You don't meddle in their business.

I disagree Apa. This idea that head coaches should just be looking over the shoulders of the coordinators as they call the game is a fallacy. Belichick is a huge control freak. He runs their defense and with the exception of when McD was on staff, had a pretty heavy role in the offensive game as well. Same can be said for guys like Parcells, Cowher, Saban, and even Shanahan.

Ultimately it looks to me like this comes down to a simple matter of difference in opinion of which scheme to run. We ran the scheme McD wanted this year and did good with it, so I don't think losing Nolan will be a huge blow.

meangene
01-18-2010, 04:09 PM
Mike Lombardi on NFLN just indicated Nolan was being pursued as DC by several teams and was interested in exploring those offers. So, it may well be that it really was a mutually agreed decision.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-18-2010, 04:09 PM
So question from a Miami fan. What type of 3-4 Defense does Nolan run?

The kind that recognizes talent like Andre Goodman.

garandman
01-18-2010, 04:10 PM
Hey, "The We don't know what's going on behind the scenes guys" phrase has been used too much!!

We said it about Cutler, Hillis, Marshall, now Nolan... It is a ridiculous trend, this guy must be fired... He is totally out of control and we will have endure another brutal year with this a-hole.. When will Bowlen get his head out of his ass!!

Pony Boy
01-18-2010, 04:10 PM
How do I make a name change to "Mock-Pony-BF7"

lostknight
01-18-2010, 04:10 PM
Let's get this straight. McDaniels wants more control on the defensive side of the ball.

Because he was so insanely successful at the offensive side of the ball.

Situations like this is how you end up with the first pick in the draft in a few years.

Ray Finkle
01-18-2010, 04:11 PM
Mike Lombardi on NFLN just indicated Nolan was being pursued as DC by several teams and was interested in exploring those offers. So, it may well be that it really was a mutually agreed decision.

this matches what I was told about Nolan a few months ago....he liked it here but would leave to go to a better spot.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-18-2010, 04:11 PM
Let's get this straight. McDaniels wants more control on the defensive side of the ball.

Because he was so insanely successful at the offensive side of the ball.

Situations like this is how you end up with the first pick in the draft in a few years.

Let's get THIS straight: You don't know what the **** you're talking about. Good play, though. LOL

Rohirrim
01-18-2010, 04:12 PM
The longer this team lacks consistency, the longer it takes to succeed.

backup qb
01-18-2010, 04:12 PM
Mike Lombardi on NFLN just indicated Nolan was being pursued as DC by several teams and was interested in exploring those offers. So, it may well be that it really was a mutually agreed decision.

And wouldn't that, or could that, indicate unhappiness with McD? Denver is thought to be great organization to work for. Not to mention this was his 2nd stint here. I doubt the potential pay raises would be that significant, though that is just speculation on my part.

TheReverend
01-18-2010, 04:13 PM
I'd like to be a fly on the wall in Bowlen's office right about now.

A lot safer than the worm in his tequila bottle.

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 04:13 PM
Nolan wanted to wear a suit on the sideline but McD insisted he wears a hoody.

This should put the breaks on those SD bashing threads though. Those were painful.

Oh hey I didn't catch the score yesterday, how much did you guys beat the Jets by? You did win right? Because you're the best team in the league right? And good teams finish off Wild Card teams in playoff games at home. Don't they? Especially with the best QB, and the biggest receivers, and the best running back evar. And the most accurate kicker evar. And Lights Out! Good luck against the Colts!

Meck77
01-18-2010, 04:14 PM
Ca$h.............

backup qb
01-18-2010, 04:14 PM
Once again, where is Bowlen in all of this? Where is the "leader" of our organization?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-18-2010, 04:14 PM
And wouldn't that, or could that, indicate unhappiness with McD? Denver is thought to be great organization to work for. Not to mention this was his 2nd stint here. I doubt the potential pay raises would be that significant, though that is just speculation on my part.

I could see Nolan going to McD and asking about pursuing other offers. McD standing firm with some "We want guys who are going to stay here and see this thing through" business, and Nolan saying "I think I can get paid and get closer to a HC job elsewhere." /shrug

Again, we just don't know.

meangene
01-18-2010, 04:15 PM
this matches what I was told about Nolan a few months ago....he liked it here but would leave to go to a better spot.

If it is true, and I was approached by Nolan expressing a desire to entertain other offers, I would part ways with him immediately as well.

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 04:15 PM
I disagree Apa. This idea that head coaches should just be looking over the shoulders of the coordinators as they call the game is a fallacy. Belichick is a huge control freak. He runs their defense and with the exception of when McD was on staff, had a pretty heavy role in the offensive game as well. Same can be said for guys like Parcells, Cowher, Saban, and even Shanahan.

Ultimately it looks to me like this comes down to a simple matter of difference in opinion of which scheme to run. We ran the scheme McD wanted this year and did good with it, so I don't think losing Nolan will be a huge blow.

Yeah - I think people are missing the fact that all great head coaches are huge control freaks - and Shanahan was as huge as it got. It's what ultimately maybe drove him out of here... but people don't want to recognize that.

Was it McD's scheme this year or Nolan's? I thought it was a little bit of both. You saw A LOT of read and react defense... that's why the defense was rarely faked out on play actions... you saw that every defender was accountable for 1 guy on the field at times.

We'll see what happens...

backup qb
01-18-2010, 04:15 PM
I could see Nolan going to McD and asking about pursuing other offers. McD standing firm with some "We want guys who are going to stay here and see this thing through" business, and Nolan saying "I think I can get paid and get closer to a HC job elsewhere." /shrug

Again, we just don't know.

That could certainly be the case. Any idea how much Nolan was making here?

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 04:16 PM
Once again, where is Bowlen in all of this? Where is the "leader" of our organization?

How do you know he did not have a hand in this? ???

colorado jones
01-18-2010, 04:16 PM
The longer this team lacks consistency, the longer it takes to succeed.

This.

Rabb
01-18-2010, 04:16 PM
Maybe he is trying to make us forget last offseason by making this one even more dramatic! This just feels wrong, and I hate it. What the **** is happening to my team?

Ray Finkle
01-18-2010, 04:16 PM
If it is true, and I was approached by Nolan expressing a desire to entertain other offers, I would part ways with him immediately as well.

this is what XXXXX wrote in early December:

It's also wise to keep in mind that Nolan may be approached by other teams in the off-season for one of several head coaching or top coordinator jobs. I do understand Nolan is under contract and he really does like living in Denver, but I also know the team would release him from his obligation if he dearly wanted to pursue another coordinator job. Let me be clear; he has made no indication of this. It's just that the turnaround of the Denver defense has caught the eye of every organization in the NFL.

garandman
01-18-2010, 04:16 PM
This is where you "sell" the organization to keep a guy, he let's everyone walk is is perfectly happy with how things are, is it not obvious this guy has no people skills whatsoever...

backup qb
01-18-2010, 04:17 PM
Of course, the way McDs tenure has started, Nolan may have been a lot closer to being a head coach then he realized....

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 04:17 PM
More ...

Mike Nolan out as Josh McDaniels' D-coordinator with Broncos
05:59 PMYahoo! BuzzShare

RecommendMike Nolan lasted just one year as the Broncos' defensive coordinator under Josh McDaniels.

Nolan told the Denver Post that he and McDaniels agreed to end their working relationship following the Broncos' 8-8, non-playoffs finish. The Post said that Nolan resigned.

"I can't say anything other than Josh and I mutually agreed to part ways," Nolan told the Post.

Nolan, the former 49ers head coach, and McDaniels got off to a hot start with the Broncos. The team started 6-0 and surrendered just 16 points through its first three games. But the Broncos imploded down the stretch.

They lost their final four games and surrendered an average of 30.5 points per game in those four losses. But overall, the Broncos' defense improved from 29th in 2008 to seventh this season. -- Sean Leahy
He "can't" say anything. Take it from a lawyer, this was not amicable.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/01/fox-mike-nolan-out-as-josh-mcdaniels-d-coordinator-with-broncos/1

Paladin
01-18-2010, 04:17 PM
If we land Pees, this is much less of a disaster. But, I still need more info on why.

Popp: I don't really need info on "why". If the masses got more info, we'd lose the comedy here at the Mane. It is better to read the buffoonery than to understand......

backup qb
01-18-2010, 04:18 PM
How do you know he did not have a hand in this? ???

You're right. Maybe he does. So come out and tell us and act like a leader. That is what he told us last January.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-18-2010, 04:18 PM
Popp: I don't really need info on "why". If the masses got more info, we'd lose the comedy here at the Mane. It is better to read the buffoonery than to understand......

Lotta truth here...

meangene
01-18-2010, 04:18 PM
And wouldn't that, or could that, indicate unhappiness with McD? Denver is thought to be great organization to work for. Not to mention this was his 2nd stint here. I doubt the potential pay raises would be that significant, though that is just speculation on my part.

Or, it could indicate he wanted to go somewhere where he might be closer to getting a head coaching position. Despite what many think on this board, McD is going to get several years here to prove himself as a HC. Reunited with Parcells in Miami?

backup qb
01-18-2010, 04:19 PM
Maybe so. Who knows? It's never dull though that's for sure. Gotta go pick up the kid from practice.

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 04:20 PM
Of course, the way McDs tenure has started, Nolan may have been a lot closer to being a head coach then he realized....

You would have to say that, wouldn't you?

That would be such a relief if it were Josh leaving and Nolan taking over ....

Requiem
01-18-2010, 04:21 PM
No reason to jump to conclusions early. I think what Ray wrote, and quoted from a while back speaks volumes. I was impressed out the gate, but the defensive fail and collapse towards the end of the season always got me wondering. I hope we go with someone other than Pees. I'd be interested in scouting the college ranks for the next guy.

Paladin
01-18-2010, 04:22 PM
More ...


He "can't" say anything. Take it from a lawyer, this was not amicable.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/01/fox-mike-nolan-out-as-josh-mcdaniels-d-coordinator-with-broncos/1

AH, h3ll. Everybody knows lawyers are cynics and believe in conspiracy theories, even if they have to make the theories up.....

"Take it from a lawyer" is not exactly comforting......

The Joker
01-18-2010, 04:22 PM
This is really worrying.

McDaniels better have something good up his sleeve or he'll be on the hot seat next year.

Rohirrim
01-18-2010, 04:22 PM
That ****ing Parcells is behind this.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 04:23 PM
It sure would be nice to not have to start a season with so much turnover from the staff and players. It might be funny that people over-react to things without knowing the details, but truth be told its hard to have much success in the NFL with the amount of turnover we have year in to year out.

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 04:25 PM
I think it is safe to say his alarming inability to get along/manage people is a trend anyway you want to spin it.

How do you figure? He was extremely well liked and respected by the Patriots staff, and multiple players from that team left to follow him here, and there is no indication that Nolan leaving had anything to do with an inability to get along.

So far the only people who seem to have a problem with McD are "me first" flava clowns like Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler.

So question from a Miami fan. What type of 3-4 Defense does Nolan run?

Nolan runs more of a read and react type defense. It's not nearly as aggressive as what we ran this year, or what the Pats have run since Belichick came to town.

It's still a pretty good defense though.

Pony Boy
01-18-2010, 04:25 PM
Will Doom be involved with the interviews for the new DC

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 04:25 PM
AH, h3ll. Everybody knows lawyers are cynics and believe in conspiracy theories, even if they have to make the theories up.....

"Take it from a lawyer" is not exactly comforting......

By "take it" I merely meant "trust me." :wiggle:

HAT
01-18-2010, 04:25 PM
http://pingfmmedia.s3.amazonaws.com/img/uvzE28Fa/ZCKXZkdepxYb2R8Y.jpg

prodigalson139
01-18-2010, 04:26 PM
The longer this team lacks consistency, the longer it takes to succeed.

This.

I supported McDaniels through everything, although having some reservations.

This is the last straw for me.

Consistency is what we need. Not ANOTHER defensive system.

To me this has repercussions in our players. Will Champ want to learn another system on a team that at this point seems far from being a contender, especially firing the man who coordinated the brightest part of this team? I don't think champ will.

If the reports of other teams calling for permission to interview Nolan are true and the reports that Nolan wasn't happy here SPEAK LOUDLY to the environment McDaniels is projecting.

I don't think I have ever been more disappointed, saddened, and frustrated as a fan (since 1978).

This sucks...

LOOK IN THE MIRROR JOSH!

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 04:26 PM
HAT ... how can you possibly think this is anything other than a Josh problem?


What we have here is a .....

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2007/11/16-22/train_wreck-782867.jpg

Broncoman13
01-18-2010, 04:27 PM
Mike Nolan believes that there are a handful of teams that are "closer" than the Broncos. When he ends up a DC in Miami it will be an indictment of where he feels the Broncos are as an organization and a team. Sad.

Ray Finkle
01-18-2010, 04:29 PM
Mike Nolan believes that there are a handful of teams that are "closer" than the Broncos. When he ends up a DC in Miami it will be an indictment of where he feels the Broncos are as an organization and a team. Sad.

Miami has a better DL, QB, RB.....not that far fetched to want to jump....plus, they will probably pay him well to do so...

Gob
01-18-2010, 04:29 PM
I could see Nolan going to McD and asking about pursuing other offers. McD standing firm with some "We want guys who are going to stay here and see this thing through" business, and Nolan saying "I think I can get paid and get closer to a HC job elsewhere." /shrug

Again, we just don't know.

What kind of evidence would it take for you to question McDaniels? I can't imagine more evidence over the last 12 months that McDaniels has problems working with different personalities at best, at worst he has a personality that alienates talent.

Requiem
01-18-2010, 04:30 PM
Anyone ever think of the possibility that Mike saw more lucrative jobs available to him?

JJJ
01-18-2010, 04:30 PM
Oh hey I didn't catch the score yesterday, how much did you guys beat the Jets by? You did win right? Because you're the best team in the league right? And good teams finish off Wild Card teams in playoff games at home. Don't they? Especially with the best QB, and the biggest receivers, and the best running back evar. And the most accurate kicker evar. And Lights Out! Good luck against the Colts!

See how easy I have made it for you root out this pesky DC issue and kick the Bolts in the nuts all in the same thread. Well done.

Ray Finkle
01-18-2010, 04:32 PM
Anyone ever think of the possibility that Mike saw more lucrative jobs available to him?

no, that would be crazy talk....

tsiguy96
01-18-2010, 04:32 PM
Anyone ever think of the possibility that Mike saw more lucrative jobs available to him?

thats why im not jumping to any conclusions because other teams may offer him more roster control over the defense and make him a DC/assistant head coach, pay him more etc. this is not necessarily mcdaniels fault, but it is crazy that everyone mcdaniels reacts with ends with a volatile relationship

gyldenlove
01-18-2010, 04:33 PM
Mike Lombardi on NFLN just indicated Nolan was being pursued as DC by several teams and was interested in exploring those offers. So, it may well be that it really was a mutually agreed decision.

So being DC here wasn't good enough? There is more to it than that.

Maybe it is money, maybe he didn't have enough influence over the defensive game plan, maybe he didn't have input over player selection, whatever it was there is some reason he would rather be DC somewhere other than Denver. This isn't like Turner or Dennison whos schemes and expertise didn't match the philosophy of the team, Nolan defined the scheme and philosophy defensively.

HAT
01-18-2010, 04:33 PM
HAT ... how can you possibly think this is anything other than a Josh problem?




It's sports dude....Players and coaches come and go. Nolan's the man and did an outstanding quick fix. If he wants to move on for whatever reason...So be it.

Same thing happens in the real world....Every time a VP of marketing wants to leave company X to explore his options, it ain't necessarily the CEO's fault.

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 04:33 PM
This.

I supported McDaniels through everything, although having some reservations.

This is the last straw for me.

Consistency is what we need. Not ANOTHER defensive system.

To me this has repercussions in our players. Will Champ want to learn another system on a team that at this point seems far from being a contender, especially firing the man who coordinated the brightest part of this team? I don't think champ will.

If the reports of other teams calling for permission to interview Nolan are true and the reports that Nolan wasn't happy here SPEAK LOUDLY to the environment McDaniels is projecting.

I don't think I have ever been more disappointed, saddened, and frustrated as a fan (since 1978).

This sucks...

LOOK IN THE MIRROR JOSH!

Again, this year's defense was more Patriots than Mike Nolan, so any transition will be minimal.

Requiem
01-18-2010, 04:34 PM
Not worried about it. :heh:

tsiguy96
01-18-2010, 04:34 PM
So being DC here wasn't good enough? There is more to it than that.

Maybe it is money, maybe he didn't have enough influence over the defensive game plan, maybe he didn't have input over player selection, whatever it was there is some reason he would rather be DC somewhere other than Denver. This isn't like Turner or Dennison whos schemes and expertise didn't match the philosophy of the team, Nolan defined the scheme and philosophy defensively.

no he didnt, he ran a different defense here than he ever has before, a patriot style attacking 3-4. thats on josh helping him implement it.

broncocalijohn
01-18-2010, 04:34 PM
This is horrible news. Amazing how many pages this hit in such a quick time. Last time this happened would have to be Gutless drunk thread. God, I hope it isnt all on McDaniels but if Nolan is just going after another DC job, then it has to be on McD. I will try to hold complete judgement until (and if) the story comes out.

NFLBRONCO
01-18-2010, 04:34 PM
Anyone ever think of the possibility that Mike saw more lucrative jobs available to him?

I thought that myself we are miles from SB.

theAPAOps5
01-18-2010, 04:35 PM
I disagree Apa. This idea that head coaches should just be looking over the shoulders of the coordinators as they call the game is a fallacy. Belichick is a huge control freak. He runs their defense and with the exception of when McD was on staff, had a pretty heavy role in the offensive game as well. Same can be said for guys like Parcells, Cowher, Saban, and even Shanahan.

Ultimately it looks to me like this comes down to a simple matter of difference in opinion of which scheme to run. We ran the scheme McD wanted this year and did good with it, so I don't think losing Nolan will be a huge blow.

Maybe so and I see your point. BUT when there is a trend with a guy not seeing eye to eye with people inside his organization whether that be assistant coach or player you eventually run out of fingers to point.

If this was a holdover coach its not as much an issue. But he hand picked Nolan. Now they are parting ways? Just so many red flags in terms of relationships with him thus far.

Once the dust settles maybe things will make more sense but I just can't defend the guy anymore.

Atwater His Ass
01-18-2010, 04:36 PM
I think this just goes to show McD's level of immaturity, being such a young HC. He's going through a lot of growing pains here, just on the surface, his inability to deal with players (Cutler and Marshall) and this move just reeks of a personality clash.

I have little confidence that Josh will be successful here. Maybe at his next HC stop after he's driven this team into the ground and managed to learn a thing or two.

HAT
01-18-2010, 04:36 PM
Miami has a better DL, QB, RB.....not that far fetched to want to jump....plus, they will probably pay him well to do so...

Hilarious!

Chad Henne is not a better QB than Orton.

Gort
01-18-2010, 04:36 PM
This is horrible news. Amazing how many pages this hit in such a quick time. Last time this happened would have to be Gutless drunk thread. God, I hope it isnt all on McDaniels but if Nolan is just going after another DC job, then it has to be on McD. I will try to hold complete judgement until (and if) the story comes out.

wait until mock and pastaboy find out... they'll be in here slamming McD like there's no tomorrow.

this is going to be another drama filled offseason. i don't like those.

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 04:36 PM
We'll see. The poster who talked about consistency definitely has a point. But - as far as blaming McDaniels, there is no reason to jump to conclusions.

Maybe now we know why HC's like to work with people they know/trust. So they don't bail on them for other job offers, put full energy into the team, etc. Maybe that's why Shanny wanted to to keep Slowik? Because he was a puppet for Shanny.

Nolan's defense is typically very conservative. During one of the years of the niners (the year before he got fire or during the year of), the 49ers had the MOST big plays given up in the NFL, and that's when Nolan got to hand pick his own plays... he still couldn't make it work. Nolan is known to have a non aggressive defense and we were moreso on the aggressive side this year.

Maybe as fans, we are giving Nolan a bit too much credit. Aren't we supposed to give credit to the HC ANYWAYS?

What we know is - McDaniels wanted to run an aggressive attacking defense - and he hand selected the players. Possibly McD had more to do with the defense than we thought?

We'll see what happens when the statement comes out.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 04:37 PM
It's sports dude....Players and coaches come and go. Nolan's the man and did an outstanding quick fix. If he wants to move on for whatever reason...So be it.

Same thing happens in the real world....Every time a VP of marketing wants to leave company X to explore his options, it ain't necessarily the CEO's fault.

Do you know any NFL teams that have success with constant change from coaching staff and players?

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 04:37 PM
Hilarious!

Chad Henne is not a better QB than Orton.

Miami fans will tell you otherwise... and he's played pretty well.

tsiguy96
01-18-2010, 04:37 PM
Hilarious!

Chad Henne is not a better QB than Orton.

they are very comparable. neither will be superstars, but both can get the game won and can have a heavy workload in the game. they need a defense or running game to help win however.

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 04:38 PM
All together now: "Let's hope Josh knows what he's doing."

Steve Prefontaine
01-18-2010, 04:38 PM
Anyone ever think of the possibility that Mike saw more lucrative jobs available to him?
Nope, you are the first person to mention this.

worm
01-18-2010, 04:38 PM
We'll see. The poster who talked about consistency definitely has a point. But - as far as blaming McDaniels, there is no reason to jump to conclusions.

Maybe now we know why HC's like to work with people they know/trust. So they don't bail on them for other job offers, put full energy into the team, etc. Maybe that's why Shanny wanted to to keep Slowik? Because he was a puppet for Shanny.

Nolan's defense is typically very conservative. During one of the years of the niners (the year before he got fire or during the year of), the 49ers had the MOST big plays given up in the NFL, and that's when Nolan got to hand pick his own plays... he still couldn't make it work. Nolan is known to have a non aggressive defense and we were moreso on the aggressive side this year.

Maybe as fans, we are giving Nolan a bit too much credit. Aren't we supposed to give credit to the HC ANYWAYS?

What we know is - McDaniels wanted to run an aggressive attacking defense - and he hand selected the players. Possibly McD had more to do with the defense than we thought?

We'll see what happens when the statement comes out.

Are you drunk?

SureShot
01-18-2010, 04:38 PM
Maybe so and I see your point. BUT when there is a trend with a guy not seeing eye to eye with people inside his organization whether that be assistant coach or player you eventually run out of fingers to point.

If this was a holdover coach its not as much an issue. But he hand picked Nolan. Now they are parting ways? Just so many red flags in terms of relationships with him thus far.

Once the dust settles maybe things will make more sense but I just can't defend the guy anymore.

Does this mean you are dropping the Mc from your handle?

elsid13
01-18-2010, 04:38 PM
Welcome to the Denver Lions.

Nolan left because he didn't like the work arrangement and didn't feel comfortable. That leadership problem and head coaching issue.

And to think Pees is the answer you're drinking that moonshine that KC fans are famous for.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-18-2010, 04:38 PM
Hilarious!

Chad Henne is not a better QB than Orton.

What color is the sky in your world?

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 04:39 PM
Are you drunk?

What part of my post would give you that idea? :spit: <<--- water.

cutthemdown
01-18-2010, 04:39 PM
Maybe Nolan wanted out. Sucks.

elsid13
01-18-2010, 04:40 PM
Hilarious!

Chad Henne is not a better QB than Orton.

Yeah he is. He able to attack all parts of the field with his arm and doesn't move like drunk Hawkins

garandman
01-18-2010, 04:41 PM
they are very comparable. neither will be superstars, but both can get the game won and can have a heavy workload in the game. they need a defense or running game to help win however.

you guys did NOT watch Henne in Miami, he is a much better QB now, even being his first year starting, just scratched the surface of his potential... Orton is what he is, Average... Henne has a cannon for an arm which is something Orton will never have..