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Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 05:41 PM
Maybe so and I see your point. BUT when there is a trend with a guy not seeing eye to eye with people inside his organization whether that be assistant coach or player you eventually run out of fingers to point.

If this was a holdover coach its not as much an issue. But he hand picked Nolan. Now they are parting ways? Just so many red flags in terms of relationships with him thus far.

Once the dust settles maybe things will make more sense but I just can't defend the guy anymore.

But who did he have issues with? Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler. Guys who were coddled by Shanny and even well respected vets like John Lynch said they were basically allowed to do whatever they wanted while being treated like kings. Josh shows up and demands they put the team first and problems arise.

On the flip side, look how many players left New England to come play for him here. I just don't see McD being the problem here. I fully support the culture he is trying to bring here and if people have a problem with it, they can be shipped out.

True, McD did hand pick Nolan, but at the time the rumors were that Dom Capers was his first choice, and Capers runs his defense much more along the lines of what McD learned in New England. Also keep in mind that even Nolan himself has repeatedly said that Josh was the one in charge of getting the defensive players through free agency, so I don't think we're going to suddenly fall off the map now that Nolan isn't here to run someone else's scheme.

Honestly I think that is all this boils down to. McD and Nolan wanted to run different styles of defenses, so one of them had to go.

Archer81
01-18-2010, 05:42 PM
Hmm. Interesting.


:Broncos:

tsiguy96
01-18-2010, 05:42 PM
you guys did NOT watch Henne in Miami, he is a much better QB now, even being his first year starting, just scratched the surface of his potential... Orton is what he is, Average... Henne has a cannon for an arm which is something Orton will never have..

i did watch several miami games, he has more potential than orton and a much higher ceiling, but right now, he throws a lot of picks and cant carry the team by himself. give him a year or two more.

Archer81
01-18-2010, 05:43 PM
you guys did NOT watch Henne in Miami, he is a much better QB now, even being his first year starting, just scratched the surface of his potential... Orton is what he is, Average... Henne has a cannon for an arm which is something Orton will never have..


All he needs is beetus and he can be the Franchise.


:Broncos:

garandman
01-18-2010, 05:44 PM
Why is it there are some people that will let this midget get away with anything, what's it going to take people!

"Well, Josh made a mistake sleeping with my sister, but I like the direction he is taking with the team, we will have to let it play out..."

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2010, 05:44 PM
Yikes.

SureShot
01-18-2010, 05:44 PM
Maybe someone tapped Nolan on the chest and he now fears for his life.

garandman
01-18-2010, 05:44 PM
All he needs is beetus and he can be the Franchise.


:Broncos:

Yeah, Henne and Cutler have comparable arms but one is a headcase and it isn't Henne...

ColoradoBuff
01-18-2010, 05:45 PM
NFL Network saying mutual parting, but McDaniels wanted more power in calling the defense. Nolan wanted to run his own thing without interruption.


Call offensive and defensive plays? holy ****!?!?!?!? No need to hire any AC's....Mc****up will do it all!

HAT
01-18-2010, 05:45 PM
Do you know any NFL teams that have success with constant change from coaching staff and players?

Who said anything about constant? Nolan leaving is a first for McD. The previous coach is the one who went through DC's like a whore through condoms.

I'm glad Nolan was here for a year and don't hold it against him or McD that he wants to seek employment elsewhere.

Change is in inevitable for a year or two when a new coach is trying to assemble his ideal staff and roster.

Sorry to see him go but I'm sure Denver will find a suitable replacement.

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 05:45 PM
We'll see. The poster who talked about consistency definitely has a point. But - as far as blaming McDaniels, there is no reason to jump to conclusions.

There are a MILLION reasons to jump to conclusions ... an unmistakeable pattern has developed here. What's the over/under on how many times Josh will refer to Nolan as "the coach"? Guy after guy after guy after coach are leaving ... and there's more to come: Remember just last week we read that Josh wants to purge "all the Shanahan players."

You guys are gonna hate on this, but that Jay Cutler drama is starting to look pretty clear now, that was just Act I.

The gutless drunk really screwed the pooch here ... what a massive blunder.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 05:47 PM
i did watch several miami games, he has more potential than orton and a much higher ceiling, but right now, he throws a lot of picks and cant carry the team by himself. give him a year or two more.

Well having Ginn as your number one WR doesn't help you out much.

Archer81
01-18-2010, 05:47 PM
Call offensive and defensive plays? holy ****!?!?!?!? No need to hire any AC's....Mc****up will do it all!


Or...McDaniels wants a different 3/4 then Nolan was bringing...


:Broncos:

theAPAOps5
01-18-2010, 05:47 PM
Does this mean you are dropping the Mc from your handle?

Nah it has a nice ring! But my avy will be changing soon.......

SureShot
01-18-2010, 05:48 PM
Nah it has a nice ring! But my avy will be changing soon.......

I cant wait.

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 05:48 PM
Parcells and Ireland are in Orlando. CKParrot happened to get credentials and was literally hanging around them today. He tweeted that Ireland got a lengthy phone call about the time the Nolan news was breaking.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2010/01/18/report-miami-planning-to-interview-mike-nolan/

Report: Miami planning to interview Mike Nolan to become defensive coordinator

Archer81
01-18-2010, 05:49 PM
There are a MILLION reasons to jump to conclusions ... an unmistakeable pattern has developed here. What's the over/under on how many times Josh will refer to Nolan as "the coach"? Guy after guy after guy after coach are leaving ... and there's more to come: Remember just last week we read that Josh wants to purge "all the Shanahan players."

You guys are gonna hate on this, but that Jay Cutler drama is starting to look pretty clear now, that was just Act I.

The gutless drunk really screwed the pooch here ... what a massive blunder.


3 coaches? 2 shanahan holdovers...I dont see it as a mass exodus.


:Broncos:

SureShot
01-18-2010, 05:49 PM
Apa I think you should start with this pic.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/103957/44989_broncos_draft_mcdaniels_football.jpg

Broncoman13
01-18-2010, 05:49 PM
What color is the sky in your world?

;D Seriously, Henne sucks. Kyle Orton is teh best! lol

DolphinsJohn
01-18-2010, 05:50 PM
Schefter said he's interviewing for the Phins job tomorrow. Oooh i am so excited about this.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 05:50 PM
Who said anything about constant? Nolan leaving is a first for McD. The previous coach is the one who went through DC's like a whore through condoms.

I'm glad Nolan was here for a year and don't hold it against him or McD that he wants to seek employment elsewhere.

Change is in inevitable for a year or two when a new coach is trying to assemble his ideal staff and roster.

Sorry to see him go but I'm sure Denver will find a suitable replacement.

Oh so we are not replacing our running back coach or o-line coach then? Weird?!? I thought Dennison left to Houston and Turner left for Washington. Plus it's not like Nolan was a hold over from the last coaching staff it was a guy he brought in.

HAT
01-18-2010, 05:50 PM
What color is the sky in your world?

The OP stated that Henne IS better. In 2009, he was not.

I don't speculate about potential when discussing statements based on the present.

gunns
01-18-2010, 05:51 PM
OMG, finally was able to see some semblance of a defense for the Broncos and now this. I just hope it wasn't a matter of McD seeing the offense as the one to spend the money on instead of the defense. In that case I will probably finally lose it. And I wasn't very impressed with Dom Capers defense this past year. I'm wondering who could be better than what we had.

Now I'm in a funk.

oubronco
01-18-2010, 05:51 PM
"As the world turns"

titan
01-18-2010, 05:52 PM
Shefter's most recent tweets:

Adam_Schefter
5:48pm, Jan 18 from UberTwitter
Broncos already are discussing former Patriots DC Dean Pees, who worked with Denver head coach Josh McDaniels in New England.

Adam_Schefter
5:45pm, Jan 18 from UberTwitter
Before Broncos and Mike Nolan parted ways, Miami sent in request for permission to interview him for defensive coordinator job.

Atwater His Ass
01-18-2010, 05:53 PM
There are a MILLION reasons to jump to conclusions ... an unmistakeable pattern has developed here. What's the over/under on how many times Josh will refer to Nolan as "the coach"? Guy after guy after guy after coach are leaving ... and there's more to come: Remember just last week we read that Josh wants to purge "all the Shanahan players."

You guys are gonna hate on this, but that Jay Cutler drama is starting to look pretty clear now, that was just Act I.

The gutless drunk really screwed the pooch here ... what a massive blunder.

I agree 100% and have never strayed from that opinion.

Only question left in my mind is how long before Bowlen is able to bite the bullet and pull the plug on this clown? How long will he allow his franchise to be driven into the ground and the fall from one of the most respected franchises to one of the laughing stocks?

This organization needs to start moving in the right direction and McD has no clue on how to guide the ship.

HAT
01-18-2010, 05:54 PM
Oh so we are not replacing our running back coach or o-line coach then? Weird?!? I thought Dennison left to Houston and Turner left for Washington. Plus it's not like Nolan was a hold over from the last coaching staff it was a guy he brought in.

Coaches are not coordinators.

Turner & Dennison left for promotions to go work for former associates. Perfectly reasonable. Just like it will be if Denver's next DC has worked with McD in some capacity in the past.

backup qb
01-18-2010, 05:54 PM
How do you figure? He was extremely well liked and respected by the Patriots staff, and multiple players from that team left to follow him here, and there is no indication that Nolan leaving had anything to do with an inability to get along.

So far the only people who seem to have a problem with McD are "me first" flava clowns like Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler.



Nolan runs more of a read and react type defense. It's not nearly as aggressive as what we ran this year, or what the Pats have run since Belichick came to town.

It's still a pretty good defense though.

Lamont JOrdan followed him here. Oh boy! Gaffney- sure I'll give you that one. His long snapper buddy? Oh boy! He traded for Lekevin and Hoch. Not much of an endorsement.

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 05:56 PM
OMG, finally was able to see some semblance of a defense for the Broncos and now this. I just hope it wasn't a matter of McD seeing the offense as the one to spend the money on instead of the defense. In that case I will probably finally lose it. And I wasn't very impressed with Dom Capers defense this past year. I'm wondering who could be better than what we had.

Don't worry too much Gunns. McD dictated the scheme that Nolan ran and also picked the players they signed. Also keep in mind that McD spent time as a defensive assistant on a team known for defense.

Trust me, we won't be going back to 2006-2008 Shanahan type teams.

oubronco
01-18-2010, 05:56 PM
Shefter's most recent tweets:

Adam_Schefter
5:48pm, Jan 18 from UberTwitter
Broncos already are discussing former Patriots DC Dean Pees, who worked with Denver head coach Josh McDaniels in New England.

Adam_Schefter
5:45pm, Jan 18 from UberTwitter
Before Broncos and Mike Nolan parted ways, Miami sent in request for permission to interview him for defensive coordinator job.

Oh Hell whats the fascination with Patriot coaches and players

worm
01-18-2010, 05:56 PM
Honestly I think that is all this boils down to. McD and Nolan wanted to run different styles of defenses, so one of them had to go.

Josh and him should have gotten their philosophies straight last year before the hire. I would be surprised if this was the real reason...regardless of what they issue in a press release. Josh is too detail oriented to let something as simple as ownership of the style of defense go undiscussed prior to Mikes hire.

I COULD see them differing on something smaller like defensive personnel for 2010. Nolan hypothetically could have wanted to protect his guys...while Josh was willing to cut certain people loose....like Doom.

UberBroncoMan
01-18-2010, 05:56 PM
Yeah... **** McDaniels.

You don't **** with the **** that works.

The man alienates everyone it seems.

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 05:58 PM
3 coaches? 2 shanahan holdovers...I dont see it as a mass exodus. :Broncos:

.... and the best draft boss in franchise history. And it's more than just 2 players, there's Cutler, Marshall, Hillis and Scheffler. And don't forget Brett Kern and JMFW, both replaced by guys pushing 40 who won't be here next year.

Plus - and I know this sucks to point out - but this team quit on the kid.

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 05:58 PM
Lamont JOrdan followed him here. Oh boy! Gaffney- sure I'll give you that one. His long snapper buddy? Oh boy! So because he's at the tail end of his career and working as a backup that diminishes the fact that he eagerly joined his former coach here?

I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that only blue chip players had an opinion that mattered.

He traded for Lekevin and Hoch. Not much of an endorsement. Players who were immediately quoted as being very happy to be here.

Rohirrim
01-18-2010, 05:59 PM
Welcome to the Denver Lions.

Nolan left because he didn't like the work arrangement and didn't feel comfortable. That leadership problem and head coaching issue.

And to think Pees is the answer you're drinking that moonshine that KC fans are famous for.

Tell us more about what your secret sources in DC have whispered into your ear!

backup qb
01-18-2010, 05:59 PM
Yeah... **** McDaniels.

You don't **** with the **** that works.

The man alienates everyone it seems.

You're not allowed to say that around here. It's all the Shanny "coddled" players not McD, oh wait and now the coaches that McD brought in too.

Archer81
01-18-2010, 05:59 PM
I agree 100% and have never strayed from that opinion.

Only question left in my mind is how long before Bowlen is able to bite the bullet and pull the plug on this clown? How long will he allow his franchise to be driven into the ground and the fall from one of the most respected franchises to one of the laughing stocks?

This organization needs to start moving in the right direction and McD has no clue on how to guide the ship.


I guess a 24-24 record from 06-08 is the standard to be called Respected?


:Broncos:

bpc
01-18-2010, 06:00 PM
Hey, "The We don't know what's going on behind the scenes guys" phrase has been used too much!!

We said it about Cutler, Hillis, Marshall, now Nolan... It is a ridiculous trend, this guy must be fired... He is totally out of control and we will have endure another brutal year with this a-hole.. When will Bowlen get his head out of his ass!!

Thank you! Taco should pay you to lecture some of the idiots on this board who haven't woke up yet.

I'd seriously like to know what we did to deserve to be treated like this... as fans, why have we been continuously **** on over the past year. Drama after drama, stupid event after stupid event.

Eventually some of you all are going to connect the dots and see the issue lays at the feet of the 32 year old tyrant we implemented as head coach.

Epic fail. The bastard can't even let us bask in the glory of San Diego's monumental failure before he has to go in and re-ink us as the laughing stock of the NFL.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-18-2010, 06:00 PM
The OP stated that Henne IS better. In 2009, he was not.

I don't speculate about potential when discussing statements based on the present.

Oh... so you are saying you would take Orton over Henne if given the choice?

broncolife
01-18-2010, 06:00 PM
Dang! one day I am happy from a charger loss and the next day I am depressed from losing our D coordinator that turned shiat into gold in 1 year with not even having all the nuts and corn in place.

Rabb
01-18-2010, 06:01 PM
what I am now worried about is how some of the vets are going to react...and believe me I am in McD's corner and have been all season

I just have this ****ing sickening feeling that we are about 2 or 3 bad moves from being the Chiefs

I am telling you, Denver might riot if we **** the bed in the draft....did anyone actually think we would have much pre-Marshall trade drama like this? I ****ing didn't.

backup qb
01-18-2010, 06:01 PM
So because he's at the tail end of his career and working as a backup that diminishes the fact that he eagerly joined his former coach here?

I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that only blue chip players had an opinion that mattered.

Players who were immediately quoted as being very happy to be here.

Of course they were/are happy. They would more than likely be unemployed if they weren't here. 2 players say they're happy....

Archer81
01-18-2010, 06:01 PM
.... and the best draft boss in franchise history. And it's more than just 2 players, there's Cutler, Marshall, Hillis and Scheffler. And don't forget Brett Kern and JMFW, both replaced by guys pushing 40 who won't be here next year.

Plus - and I know this sucks to point out - but this team quit on the kid.


How many titles did those draft classes bring to the Denver Broncos? Better yet, how many playoff appearances? Kern and Jack Williams did what while they were here? There is a reason they are not here anymore and it has nothing to do with your nonsensical stance on McDaniels.

:Broncos:

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 06:02 PM
Yeah... **** McDaniels.

You don't **** with the **** that works.

The man alienates everyone it seems.

Not sure if you call 2-8 working.

And the fact that we choked on defense on the second half of the season? Nah.

but then again McDaniels did hand pick the players and tell him what scheme to run...

Cool Breeze
01-18-2010, 06:03 PM
Or...McDaniels wants a different 3/4 then Nolan was bringing...


:Broncos:

It's probably this.
Maybe McD likes Terrence Cody, and Nolan doesn't likes fatties in the middle.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 06:04 PM
I guess a 24-24 record from 06-08 is the standard to be called Respected?


:Broncos:

Its nothing that more coaching change won't take care now will? New schemes each year are how you build winning teams in the NFL now days.

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 06:04 PM
Why everyone is blaming McDaniels where there has been NOTHING that is indicated that he is the culprit for all this, and there has been MULTIPLE reports for Nolan leaving for other reasons?

Why is it that NOLAN fixed this defense but not McDaniels?

Gob
01-18-2010, 06:05 PM
I guess a 24-24 record from 06-08 is the standard to be called Respected?


:Broncos:

.500 record, bizarre personnel decisions, making do with subpar D-line talent, constant change at DC. Its like Shanny never left!

mr007
01-18-2010, 06:05 PM
The only thing I'd don't understand about what has happened between McD and his players and now Nolan is that no one has ever said anything is wrong with McD or his style. All I've heard from Marshall, Champ, etc is they have nothing but the utmost respect for him.

I'm wondering if that stems from fear of backlash or if it's a true statement. I would think with this, you would at least see some internal sources coming out of the wood works to say certain things about personality issues with Josh.

bpc
01-18-2010, 06:05 PM
This guy is an epic failure.

I said I would give him until his contract was up to see what he could do in Denver, barring he did something vastly stupid which would make me change my mind.

Well, he just managed to do it.

**** you McDaniels you arrogant, stupid, piece of ****. Hopefully Bowlen wakes up and throws you out on your ass.

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The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 06:07 PM
This guy is an epic failure.

I said I would give him until his contract was up to see what he could do in Denver, barring he did something vastly stupid which would make me change my mind.

Well, he just managed to do it.

**** you McDaniels you arrogant, stupid, piece of ****. Hopefully Bowlen wakes up and throws you out on your ass.

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I'm still wondering how this is McDaniels' fault. So he should be fired for a guy leaving that he hired? OK. :thumbs:

I'm wondering how McDaniels' is being blamed when there are more reports of this NOT being his fault than anything that IS (which there is none).

Rabb
01-18-2010, 06:07 PM
Why everyone is blaming McDaniels where there has been NOTHING that is indicated that he is the culprit for all this, and there has been MULTIPLE reports for Nolan leaving for other reasons?

Why is it that NOLAN fixed this defense but not McDaniels?

valid point for sure, I think people (myself included) just want some stability

Shanny swapped coordinators every year and I just don't want more of the same or what did we gain as a franchise?

I am keeping the faith, but this is the 3rd good and impact-making coach to leave this month.

bpc
01-18-2010, 06:07 PM
Not sure if you call 2-8 working.

And the fact that we choked on defense on the second half of the season? Nah.

but then again McDaniels did hand pick the players and tell him what scheme to run...

Of course, your gutless ****ing ass would pin 2-8 on Nolan.

You're easily the biggest retard on this forum. You've taken the place of Tsiguy, because even he understands the stupidity of this move.

loborugger
01-18-2010, 06:08 PM
Hey, Titan, its not too late to change the title of this thread to something about Josh McDaniels being a gutless drunk. This thread is gonna be epic like that.

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 06:08 PM
valid point for sure, I think people (myself included) just want some stability

Shanny swapped coordinators every year and I just don't want more of the same or what did we gain as a franchise?

I am keeping the faith, but this is the 3rd good and impact-making coach to leave this month.

Yes - we need some stability and I definitely agree.

It is the 3rd, and we tried to keep Turner, but he got a promotion. Dennison got a promotion. There is not much you can do here - it's like hating on Shanny for letting Kubes get the HC job in Texas.

TDmvp
01-18-2010, 06:08 PM
http://images.dailyradar.com/media/uploads/ballhype/story_large/2009/11/23/josh_mcdaniels_sucks.jpg

Archer81
01-18-2010, 06:08 PM
Good God...you guys are unreal. None of us know the entire story (if there even is one) and use this to justify your hysteria over McDaniels.

:Broncos:

Rohirrim
01-18-2010, 06:09 PM
Maybe Nolan has a weakness for bonefishing? Or prefers a Caribbean climate to the Rocky Mountains? Who knows?

bombay
01-18-2010, 06:09 PM
Not sure how it reflects on Nolan, but over the first 8 games the defense gave up an average of 15.5 points, and over the last 8 gave up an average of 24.75. Almost a 10 point per game difference, which is huge. It also seems to me that they played lesser teams in the 2nd half of the season. Five playoff bound teams in the first half, three in the 2nd.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 06:10 PM
what I am now worried about is how some of the vets are going to react...and believe me I am in McD's corner and have been all season

I just have this ****ing sickening feeling that we are about 2 or 3 bad moves from being the Chiefs

I am telling you, Denver might riot if we **** the bed in the draft....did anyone actually think we would have much pre-Marshall trade drama like this? I ****ing didn't.

I think it becomes harder for us to resign Holliday now. He wanted to stay there but they went with youth instead. I think Nolan will try and bring him back anyways given his success in Denver.

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 06:10 PM
Of course, your gutless ****ing ass would pin 2-8 on Nolan.

You're easily the biggest retard on this forum. You've taken the place of Tsiguy, because even he understands the stupidity of this move.

No no no - I'm not pinning it on Nolan - I already said McDaniels ****ed up multiple times and I've told you that, but you've pretty much been unable to comprehend anything.

We PIN all the success on Nolan but all the failure on McDaniels? Yeah, I'm the biggest retard.

Even if I did take his place, I'd still be above of you, lord Retard. I'm not the one that's blocked by half of the active members here. :spit:

Rohirrim
01-18-2010, 06:10 PM
Hey, Titan, its not too late to change the title of this thread to something about Josh McDaniels being a gutless drunk. This thread is gonna be epic like that.

I agree. Got to change the name. This thread will go far. :yayaya:

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 06:10 PM
Oh Hell whats the fascination with Patriot coaches and players

Probably has something to do with the fact that Josh spent nearly a decade working with them and in that same decade they were easily the most long term successful team in the post free agency era.

Ya know, just like Shanahan when he came to Denver and brought several 49ers with him, including Kubiak, Eddie Mac, Derek Loville, Bill Musgrave, and Mark Thomas.

Josh and him should have gotten their philosophies straight last year before the hire. I would be surprised if this was the real reason...regardless of what they issue in a press release. Josh is too detail oriented to let something as simple as ownership of the style of defense go undiscussed prior to Mikes hire.

I COULD see them differing on something smaller like defensive personnel for 2010. Nolan hypothetically could have wanted to protect his guys...while Josh was willing to cut certain people loose....like Doom.

They did. We were clearly running a more Patriots style defense earlier in the year when we had great success, and it seemed that we got less aggressive as the season went on. To me that would seem to indicate that Josh gave Nolan more power, who seemingly brought his own philosphoy back into the fold.

.... and the best draft boss in franchise history. A guy who had one very good draft in 2006, completely busted the 2007 draft and had a decent 2008 draft.

Hardly worth losing sleep over.

Plus - and I know this sucks to point out - but this team quit on the kid. That's bull**** Buff, and you know it.

Of course they were/are happy. They would more than likely be unemployed if they weren't here. 2 players say they're happy.... You really think Gaffney would have trouble finding a job, or LeKevin Smith for that matter? They would easily find work, as would Hochstein and Jordan.

Rabb
01-18-2010, 06:10 PM
Yes - we need some stability and I definitely agree.

It is the 3rd, and we tried to keep Turner, but he got a promotion. Dennison got a promotion. There is not much you can do here - it's like hating on Shanny for letting Kubes get the HC job in Texas.

yeah you are right

I am just pissed and aggravated I guess, not really the news I wanted today

bpc
01-18-2010, 06:11 PM
I'm still wondering how this is McDaniels' fault. So he should be fired for a guy leaving that he hired? OK. :thumbs:

I'm wondering how McDaniels' is being blamed when there are more reports of this NOT being his fault than anything that IS (which there is none).

I have not one strand of doubt that the ass-hat said something stupid and ruined the relationship. Just like he has done countless other times in under a year.

You keep defending that bitch though. Nobody is surprised and your bias'ness has compromised any integrity you had on this site debating Bronco topics.

McDaniels fails again. He's managed to fail in every way possible from player relationships, on the field, as an offensive guru, probably as a father, and definitely within the coaching relationships he's built.

FIRE MCDANIELS NOW.

Play2win
01-18-2010, 06:11 PM
Hey, Titan, its not too late to change the title of this thread to something about Josh McDaniels being a gutless drunk. This thread is gonna be epic like that.

McGutless drunk... Hilarious!

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 06:11 PM
Not sure how it reflects on Nolan, but over the first 8 games the defense gave up an average of 15.5 points, and over the last 8 gave up an average of 24.75. Almost a 10 point per game difference, which is huge.

What YOU don't understand is the first 8 games, NOLAN deserves all the credit. The last 8 McDaniels ****ed it up. Yeah... LOL

theAPAOps5
01-18-2010, 06:12 PM
I'm still wondering how this is McDaniels' fault. So he should be fired for a guy leaving that he hired? OK. :thumbs:

I'm wondering how McDaniels' is being blamed when there are more reports of this NOT being his fault than anything that IS (which there is none).

I understand where you and others including Florida are coming from. Yes it looks to be mutual and there is no blame.

Coordinators leave all the time, except its usually to accept the position of Head Coach. This is a lateral move and after only one year. Just doesn't happen that often. There is something that made Nolan want to leave and it isn't the warm weather in Miami or the no state taxes.

Thats why I have had enough. DC's just don't leave after a year after having a successful season unless its to accept the HC position.

Something stinks in this, at least to me.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 06:14 PM
Why everyone is blaming McDaniels where there has been NOTHING that is indicated that he is the culprit for all this, and there has been MULTIPLE reports for Nolan leaving for other reasons?

Why is it that NOLAN fixed this defense but not McDaniels?

Well Nolan has had success every where he has coached D's. He is known for being a great defensive coach. McD is known for being a offensive mastermind guru that made the greatest O ever seen by human eyes. Given the huge turn around on D vs the fall off of the O I would have to question why you would want to give McD credit for the amazing turn around on D.

bpc
01-18-2010, 06:14 PM
No no no - I'm not pinning it on Nolan - I already said McDaniels ****ed up multiple times and I've told you that, but you've pretty much been unable to comprehend anything.

We PIN all the success on Nolan but all the failure on McDaniels? Yeah, I'm the biggest retard.

Even if I did take his place, I'd still be above of you, lord Retard. I'm not the one that's blocked by half of the active members here. :spit:

Hey, if half the forum blocked me, it's because I was prophet at to how stupid this jackass was. (and now that also applies to you) Sadly, I was willing to give him his 3 years to f up Denver. Now he deserves to be gone. But hey, you keep up your dog and pony show protecting your agenda and McDumbass. Too bad he exposed you all as frauds.

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 06:14 PM
I have not one strand of doubt that the ass-hat said something stupid and ruined the relationship. Just like he has done countless other times in under a year.

You keep defending that b**** though. Nobody is surprised and your bias'ness has compromised any integrity you had on this site debating Bronco topics.

McDaniels fails again. He's managed to fail in every way possible from player relationships, on the field, as an offensive guru, probably as a father, and definitely within the coaching relationships he's built.

FIRE MCDANIELS NOW.

I'm not defending **** - I'm saying there is no indication of him being at fault and there are more indications of Nolan leaving under his own will. There is more indication of our defense being successful because of McDaniels than Nolan. Period.

You guys are just living in your own fantasy world jumping to conclusions that McDaniels is the culprit to everything... you realize there is no evidence on over 75% of the things you pin against McD.

I have factual evidence behind my claims where you guys use your emotions more than any girl I know.:strong:

bombay
01-18-2010, 06:15 PM
What YOU don't understand is the first 8 games, NOLAN deserves all the credit. The last 8 McDaniels ****ed it up. Yeah... LOL

I don't understand anything. If you could find a Life In The Latter Day USA manuel, please send me a copy.

TDmvp
01-18-2010, 06:15 PM
Someone needs to start a "Is Josh McDaniels a budding franchise killer ?" thread ...

The way this is going Josh is going to end up getting the team moved to L.A. casue "he" will have some sorta "disagreement" with the city ...

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 06:16 PM
What YOU don't understand is the first 8 games, NOLAN deserves all the credit. The last 8 McDaniels ****ed it up. Yeah... LOL

LOL No it was the first 8 games McD was such a great coach he masked the problems of the team with his amazing schemes. Nolan should get no credit, that is why he is going to have such a hard time finding work.

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 06:16 PM
Hey, if half the forum blocked me, it's because I was prophet at to how stupid this jackass was. (and now that also applies to you) Sadly, I was willing to give him his 3 years to f up Denver. Now he deserves to be gone. But hey, you keep up your dog and pony show protecting your agenda and McDumbass. Too bad he exposed you all as frauds.

He deserves to be gone? There has been no evidence to him being at fault, period. He's the one that brought Nolan in to begin with? :thumbsup:

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 06:17 PM
I don't understand anything. If you could find a Life In The Latter Day USA manuel, please send me a copy.

I'm being sarcastic in representation to the idiots on this forum

ColoradoBuff
01-18-2010, 06:18 PM
how 'bout them Chargers!!!

bombay
01-18-2010, 06:19 PM
I'm being sarcastic in representation to the idiots on this forum

I got it. Just fooling around. Although I really don't understand anything.

bpc
01-18-2010, 06:20 PM
Well Nolan has had success every where he has coached D's. He is known for being a great defensive coach. McD is known for being a offensive mastermind guru that made the greatest O ever seen by human eyes. Given the huge turn around on D vs the fall off of the O I would have to question why you would want to give McD credit for the amazing turn around on D.

Oh you don't remember? The Baltimore and Pittsburgh games were lost by the defense and their paltry effort while the offense toiled valiantly.

LMAO. Fail. More fail by the Jack McDaniels supporters.

UberBroncoMan
01-18-2010, 06:20 PM
Has D.J. Williams had one year in his career without a new ****ing DC?

Retire #30!!!
01-18-2010, 06:20 PM
Good God...you guys are unreal. None of us know the entire story (if there even is one) and use this to justify your hysteria over McDaniels.

:Broncos:

You have visited the mane before haven't you???:rofl:

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 06:20 PM
No no no - I'm not pinning it on Nolan - I already said McDaniels ****ed up multiple times and I've told you that, but you've pretty much been unable to comprehend anything.

We PIN all the success on Nolan but all the failure on McDaniels? Yeah, I'm the biggest retard.

Even if I did take his place, I'd still be above of you, lord Retard. I'm not the one that's blocked by half of the active members here. :spit:

You know you're trying to debate with easily the most illogical poster on this forum? Seriously if you go back and look at some of the stuff he's posted, he makes that Gaffney guy look sane.

Take it from me and just let the guy have his lunacy. Debating with him is akin to slamming your head into a brick wall.

What YOU don't understand is the first 8 games, NOLAN deserves all the credit. The last 8 McDaniels ****ed it up. Yeah... LOL

That's how they work. They don't like Josh so everything good is the result of someone else, but then when it goes to **** it's all on him.

I understand where you and others including Florida are coming from. Yes it looks to be mutual and there is no blame.

Coordinators leave all the time, except its usually to accept the position of Head Coach. This is a lateral move and after only one year. Just doesn't happen that often. There is something that made Nolan want to leave and it isn't the warm weather in Miami or the no state taxes.

Thats why I have had enough. DC's just don't leave after a year after having a successful season unless its to accept the HC position.

Something stinks in this, at least to me. Really Apa, maybe it was just something as simple as Nolan wanting to run his own scheme rather than the one Josh told him to run.

theAPAOps5
01-18-2010, 06:22 PM
Maybe so Florida but something stinks to me.

bpc
01-18-2010, 06:22 PM
Jake Locker, come on down! Too bad McDaniels will be trading that pick on draft day, probably for the rights of some 2nd string punter coming out of the WAC. But hey, he posted 22 reps on the 225 at the combine so it's alright!

gyldenlove
01-18-2010, 06:22 PM
no he didnt, he ran a different defense here than he ever has before, a patriot style attacking 3-4. thats on josh helping him implement it.

The defense we ran this year is very different from what the Patriots run. The Patriots run very zone heavy and use the OLBs for a variety of tasks, including man and zone cover.

We run virtually a 5-2 with the OLBs either rushing the passer or playing contain on almost every play that is very dissimilar from what the Patriots do.

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 06:23 PM
Well Nolan has had success every where he has coached D's. He is known for being a great defensive coach. McD is known for being a offensive mastermind guru that made the greatest O ever seen by human eyes. Given the huge turn around on D vs the fall off of the O I would have to question why you would want to give McD credit for the amazing turn around on D.

He was a huge failure in SF where he got to HANDPICK the players, scheme, and PLAYS.

Let's look at his previous tenures:

New York Giants - 1993-1996 - 5th, 11th, 17th, 14th.

Washington Redskins - 1997-1999 - 16th, 24th, 30th.

Balt - 2002-2004 - 22nd, 3rd, 6th

SF - 2005 - 32nd, 2006 - 26th, 2007 - 25th

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.

ayjackson
01-18-2010, 06:24 PM
Just logged on - is this the meltdown thread?

gyldenlove
01-18-2010, 06:24 PM
Really Apa, maybe it was just something as simple as Nolan wanting to run his own scheme rather than the one Josh told him to run.

Lets see if he ends up in Miami, because of that is the case then it has nothing to do with wanting to run his own scheme, since he will be running Parcells scheme in Miami.

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 06:24 PM
robi2184 @Adam_Schefter Could the firing of Nolan have to do with probably Miami wanting to interview him and Den not allowing it

Here is the answer



http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

Seems like McDaniel was not allowing him to interview and Nolan quit. He is Miami bound.

ColoradoDarin
01-18-2010, 06:24 PM
More ...


He "can't" say anything. Take it from a lawyer, this was not amicable.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/01/fox-mike-nolan-out-as-josh-mcdaniels-d-coordinator-with-broncos/1

Or it's called "Non-Disclosure Agreement"

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 06:25 PM
Oh you don't remember? The Baltimore and Pittsburgh games were lost by the defense and their paltry effort while the offense toiled valiantly.

LMAO. Fail. More fail by the Jack McDaniels supporters.

I not at all shocked that posters are throwing Nolan under the bus and questioning how much success he really had in Denver. All to support McD who has no track record to warrant the kind of support he gets.

HAT
01-18-2010, 06:25 PM
Hey, if half the forum blocked me, it's because I was prophet at to how stupid this jackass was. (and now that also applies to you) Sadly, I was willing to give him his 3 years to f up Denver. Now he deserves to be gone. But hey, you keep up your dog and pony show protecting your agenda and McDumbass. Too bad he exposed you all as frauds.

Hey bpc....Wanna bet on any of the games this weekend? :poke:

HAT
01-18-2010, 06:28 PM
robi2184 @Adam_Schefter Could the firing of Nolan have to do with probably Miami wanting to interview him and Den not allowing it

Here is the answer



http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

Seems like McDaniel was not allowing him to interview and Nolan quit. He is Miami bound.

This has been pretty obvious since like page 2 of this thread....But why spoil a good ol' fashioned McD lynching?

Some of these same clowns will now rip McD for not letting Nolan interview. :spit:

Gob
01-18-2010, 06:31 PM
This has been pretty obvious since like page 2 of this thread....But why spoil a good ol' fashioned McD lynching?

Some of these same clowns will now rip McD for not letting Nolan interview. :spit:

I am not sure how Nolan wanting out makes McDaniels come out roses. They didn't say Nolan wanted more money, or more control. He just apparently wanted out.

Rohirrim
01-18-2010, 06:32 PM
This is going well.



Anybody find out yet what actually happened?

Rabb
01-18-2010, 06:33 PM
I cannot personally wait for the Nolan thing to become parlayed into the Marshall, Scheffler and Hillis trades

then the draft!

DenverBrit
01-18-2010, 06:35 PM
Whatever happened, it's not good news.

bombay
01-18-2010, 06:35 PM
More ...


He "can't" say anything. Take it from a lawyer, this was not amicable.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/01/fox-mike-nolan-out-as-josh-mcdaniels-d-coordinator-with-broncos/1

Wow. I really hope you come with a warning label.

DenverBrit
01-18-2010, 06:36 PM
More ...


He "can't" say anything. Take it from a lawyer, this was not amicable.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/01/fox-mike-nolan-out-as-josh-mcdaniels-d-coordinator-with-broncos/1

Take it from a lawyer? One who doesn't jump to conclusions the moment a story breaks??

Sure, do you know one? ;D

Rabb
01-18-2010, 06:37 PM
does anyone else feel gipped?

we only had the "making fun of you" upper hand for a ****ing day over the Chargers

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 06:38 PM
Lets see if he ends up in Miami, because of that is the case then it has nothing to do with wanting to run his own scheme, since he will be running Parcells scheme in Miami.

Actually Parcells runs a pretty similar defense.

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 06:40 PM
I am not sure how Nolan wanting out makes McDaniels come out roses. They didn't say Nolan wanted more money, or more control. He just apparently wanted out.

They also say he didn't want more power or money.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 06:40 PM
He was a huge failure in SF where he got to HANDPICK the players, scheme, and PLAYS.

Let's look at his previous tenures:

New York Giants - 1993-1996 - 5th, 11th, 17th, 14th.

Washington Redskins - 1997-1999 - 16th, 24th, 30th.

Balt - 2002-2004 - 22nd, 3rd, 6th

SF - 2005 - 32nd, 2006 - 26th, 2007 - 25th

Men lie, women lie, numbers don't.

San Fran was 32 in 2004, so its not like he got a whole lot of players to work with when he took over a HC. Which I don't even know why we are talking about his work at San Fran when I was talking about him as a DC not HC. Regardless he brought most of the players on D that the 49ers still have on D. Willis is his guy, not sure if you heard of him people think he is good. Larson was his guy, he brought in Justin Smith, Takeo Spikes, Nate Clements, Dashon Goldson and Aubrayo Franklin. That is 7 key players that HE brought in to help power the 49ers to the 4th best D in the NFL this year in points allowed. Those are players he mother ****ing hand picked to lead his D.

Los Broncos
01-18-2010, 06:41 PM
WTF? What the hell is going on!

gyldenlove
01-18-2010, 06:43 PM
Actually Parcells runs a pretty similar defense.

Parcells and Belichick run nearly identical defenses since Parcells taught Belichick, so I doubt that is the reason.

Gob
01-18-2010, 06:43 PM
They also say he didn't want more power or money.

Well I guess that settles it. Obviously he really wanted to continue working with Josh, but was far too shy to ask for a pay raise or more power so asked to be let go instead.

eddie mac
01-18-2010, 06:45 PM
This actually smells less of McD's ego and more of Nolan's desires to go to a better team.

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 06:46 PM
Parcells and Belichick run nearly identical defenses since Parcells taught Belichick, so I doubt that is the reason.

That's like saying McD runs the same offense as Weis. Yes it's based on the same system but the proteges added many new wrinkles to it.

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 06:51 PM
San Fran was 32 in 2004, so its not like he got a whole lot of players to work with when he took over a HC. Which I don't even know why we are talking about his work at San Fran when I was talking about him as a DC not HC. Regardless he brought most of the players on D that the 49ers still have on D. Willis is his guy, not sure if you heard of him people think he is good. Larson was his guy, he brought in Justin Smith, Takeo Spikes, Nate Clements, Dashon Goldson and Aubrayo Franklin. That is 7 key players that HE brought in to help power the 49ers to the 4th best D in the NFL this year in points allowed. Those are players he mother ****ing hand picked to lead his D.

You didn't say DC or HC, you just said where he worked on the defense, and in San Fran he had the same job responsibilities, with more power, with the defense as a dcord.

And just so you know, the one player they gave the biggest contract to in that list, Clements - he's horrible...worst then like, Lenny Walls. Go talk to some niner fans, they'll tell you. He was even demoted to 3rd CB at a point.

Nolan wasn't getting the job done, period. And nice way to pretty much avoid all the other stats...

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 06:54 PM
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http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0060-0807-2514-4457_Standard_Screw_clipart_image.jpg

http://i.peperonity.com/c/BC08CD/135950/ssc3/gallery/140-nat/10-land/pooch.gif_320_320_256_9223372036854775000_0_1_0.gi f

KevinJames
01-18-2010, 06:58 PM
Lol @ everyone bashing McDaniels

nothing that was said indicates it was McDaniels decision maybe McDaniels didn't allow him to interview with MIA and Nolan wants that job?

I mean Miami is a hot spot for players and coaches

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 07:05 PM
You didn't say DC or HC, you just said where he worked on the defense, and in San Fran he had the same job responsibilities, with more power, with the defense as a dcord.

And just so you know, the one player they gave the biggest contract to in that list, Clements - he's horrible...worst then like, Lenny Walls. Go talk to some niner fans, they'll tell you. He was even demoted to 3rd CB at a point.

Nolan wasn't getting the job done, period. And nice way to pretty much avoid all the other stats...

Nice so you are just going to point out Clements out of that list of players. Clements was hurt this year. My brother IS a 49ers fan and he has not said a word about Clements being bad other then the fact that it was BAD when he got hurt. I doubt his 92 tackles 3 ffs and 4 Ints got him benched in 07. His 63 tackles he had in 08 isn't that bad for a DB either. The fact that you would even suggest that you think he is horrible like Lenny Walls is enough reason to end this conversation with you.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2007&pos=CB&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

Clements ranked 10th in 07 and was targeted just 55 times with 39 of those being complete. He struggled in 08 but he was far from Lenny Walls bad.

broncosteven
01-18-2010, 07:06 PM
I'm still wondering how this is McDaniels' fault. So he should be fired for a guy leaving that he hired? OK. :thumbs:

I'm wondering how McDaniels' is being blamed when there are more reports of this NOT being his fault than anything that IS (which there is none).

Why is Nolan so willing to make a sidewise move? So he goes from being a DC in Denver to being a DC in Miami, more $? Why not match any offers?

If Nolan was leaving to entertain HC offers than it is on Nolan but to leave to take the same job at another place means to me that there is a disagreement or Nolan thinks Miami is closer to winning than Denver is.

bpc
01-18-2010, 07:16 PM
I not at all shocked that posters are throwing Nolan under the bus and questioning how much success he really had in Denver. All to support McD who has no track record to warrant the kind of support he gets.

It's just the latest in the long line of stupidity to protect an agenda. It's really maddening actually.

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 07:19 PM
Nolan wasn't getting the job done, period.

You simply MUST be joking.

bpc
01-18-2010, 07:19 PM
Hey bpc....Wanna bet on any of the games this weekend? :poke:

On a positive note, i've picked 7/8 teams accurately thus far. Too bad i'm not a gambler.

Popps
01-18-2010, 07:28 PM
It's just the latest in the long line of stupidity to protect an agenda. It's really maddening actually.

Don't count me in that agenda, silly girl.


I liked Nolan.


But, let's get more info and find out who we're bringing in before you get your tampon all blown up over this.

Shanahan fired Bates after one season.

McDaniels apparently didn't fire Nolan, but it's certainly worth gathering more info as to exactly what happened.


Smart fans will keep an open mind, here. Could be that McD is just a tough guy to work with. That's very possible. It could also be that McD wanted to bring in a guy to run a system he likes better, and wanted to give Nolan a friendly exit option as opposed to letting him go. Or, maybe Nolan just wanted out for other reasons.


Remember the Cutler situation... when almost every piece of info we got early on was wrong?


I liked what Nolan did for us in the off-season and in the first half of the season. But, let's gather all of the details before panicking, shall we?

Bob's your Information Minister
01-18-2010, 07:46 PM
Meet the new boss...

SouthStndJunkie
01-18-2010, 07:46 PM
I was hoping the program that McDaniels is putting together and building was enticing and intriguing enough for coaches like Dennison, Turner, and Nolan to want to stick around and be a part of....Nolan in particular....but it seems like all 3 of them were pretty eager to move on.

rastaman
01-18-2010, 07:52 PM
Don't count me in that agenda, silly girl.


I liked Nolan.


But, let's get more info and find out who we're bringing in before you get your tampon all blown up over this.

Shanahan fired Bates after one season.

McDaniels apparently didn't fire Nolan, but it's certainly worth gathering more info as to exactly what happened.


Smart fans will keep an open mind, here. Could be that McD is just a tough guy to work with. That's very possible. It could also be that McD wanted to bring in a guy to run a system he likes better, and wanted to give Nolan a friendly exit option as opposed to letting him go. Or, maybe Nolan just wanted out for other reasons.


Remember the Cutler situation... when almost every piece of info we got early on was wrong?


I liked what Nolan did for us in the off-season and in the first half of the season. But, let's gather all of the details before panicking, shall we?

Oh well with Nolan jumping ship and getting away from the crazy ass destructive Ebola Virus Manchurian Candidate aka known as Josh McDaniels, at least this move assures us fans we will more than lilkely be drafting in the top 5 in the 2011 draft.

MR BOWLEN.......WHAT THE F*#K HAVE YOU DONE!!!

rastaman
01-18-2010, 07:54 PM
I was hoping the program that McDaniels is putting together and building was enticing and intriguing enough for coaches like Dennison, Turner, and Nolan to want to stick around and be a part of....Nolan in particular....but it seems like all 3 of them were pretty eager to move on.

Imagine being a fly on the wall for all of McD's coaching meetings with his assistant coaches and coordinators it must have been epic!

If McD can turn the ship around and win 8 games in 2010 would be absolutely a miracle.

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 07:54 PM
I was hoping the program that McDaniels is putting together and building was enticing and intriguing enough for coaches like Dennison, Turner, and Nolan to want to stick around and be a part of....Nolan in particular....but it seems like all 3 of them were pretty eager to move on.

http://weblogs.cltv.com/news/local/chicago/Money%20stacks.jpg

SureShot
01-18-2010, 07:55 PM
crazy ass destructive Ebola Virus Manchurian Candidate

Thats a new one.

gyldenlove
01-18-2010, 07:56 PM
That's like saying McD runs the same offense as Weis. Yes it's based on the same system but the proteges added many new wrinkles to it.

What I am saying is that if you compare for instance Wade Philips system to Parcells you will find a lot of differences, if you compare Belichicks to Parcells you will comparatively find only small differences.

It is like comparing a 2006 Chrysler Sebring and a 2010 model, there are tweaks and wrinkles that are new, but fundamentally they are almost identical when you peel away the panels.

SouthStndJunkie
01-18-2010, 07:56 PM
http://weblogs.cltv.com/news/local/chicago/Money%20stacks.jpg

Well then....we better get with the program.

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 07:58 PM
You simply MUST be joking.

I was talking about the 49ers.

hambone13
01-18-2010, 07:58 PM
Well the fact that we lost as the season progressive my argument would be pretty weak...but when watching all 16 games you did see the comfort level of the offense increase each week.

Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

Increasingly disgruntled and increasingly ineffective at anything related to scoring and winning games...

rastaman
01-18-2010, 07:58 PM
I cannot personally wait for the Nolan thing to become parlayed into the Marshall, Scheffler and Hillis trades

then the draft!

We won't even recognize the Broncos in two years and neither will McD b/c he'll be fired and rehired in NE as its OC and given a nice FAT contract for destroying the Broncos and turning Denver into the Detroit Lions of the AFC.

watermock
01-18-2010, 07:59 PM
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Bigdawg26
01-18-2010, 08:00 PM
WOW we lost our three best coaches, and going to lose our two best receivers (maybe royal is better than scheffler but he's hardly ever used). This can't be good!!

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 08:00 PM
What I am saying is that if you compare for instance Wade Philips system to Parcells you will find a lot of differences, if you compare Belichicks to Parcells you will comparatively find only small differences.

It is like comparing a 2006 Chrysler Sebring and a 2010 model, there are tweaks and wrinkles that are new, but fundamentally they are almost identical when you peel away the panels.

Kinda funny you mention that since the Chrysler Sebring received an all new platform in 2007. :welcome:

Joking aside, if you compare Belichick's defense to Parcells, you'll see that Belichick's is substantially more aggressive.

Archer81
01-18-2010, 08:01 PM
WOW we lost our three best coaches, and going to lose our two best receivers (maybe royal is better than scheffler but he's hardly ever used). This can't be good!!


Please say you are being sarcastic.


:Broncos:

SouthStndJunkie
01-18-2010, 08:02 PM
I said this several months ago....I worry that McDaniels is going to follow the same path that Belichick and Shanny followed.....talented coordinators who took over teams at a young age, cut their teeth and made a bunch of mistakes, and then got fired. They went back to being coordinators, learned from their mistakes, and succeeded down the line with different teams.

rastaman
01-18-2010, 08:04 PM
Maybe Nolan has a weakness for bonefishing? Or prefers a Caribbean climate to the Rocky Mountains? Who knows?

Good point....he seems like a guy that likes to keep a deep tan year around. :~ohyah!:

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 08:05 PM
Nice so you are just going to point out Clements out of that list of players. Clements was hurt this year. My brother IS a 49ers fan and he has not said a word about Clements being bad other then the fact that it was BAD when he got hurt. I doubt his 92 tackles 3 ffs and 4 Ints got him benched in 07. His 63 tackles he had in 08 isn't that bad for a DB either. The fact that you would even suggest that you think he is horrible like Lenny Walls is enough reason to end this conversation with you.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2007&pos=CB&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

Clements ranked 10th in 07 and was targeted just 55 times with 39 of those being complete. He struggled in 08 but he was far from Lenny Walls bad.

I will have to + rep you for that nice site. How do they determine some of this stuff anyways? Do they have staff at all the games?

What's interesting is that Ayers is 15th on that list of 3-4 OLB's.



However, I was being sarcastic with Walls.
Clements was demoted for 1 game to 3rd CB because of how horrible he was playing. He should probably follow them closer - or you should just go to the niner forums. Clements is known to get burnt by everyone and gambles and gets owned all the time...hence his 70% pass caught in his coverage? lol

Oh, and to clear it up I was only really talking about Clements this year - as he was said to have been overrated for many previous years. In case you forgot, at that time he had to biggest defensive back contract ever.. (or defensive player? not sure).

colorado jones
01-18-2010, 08:06 PM
Kinda funny you mention that since the Chrysler Sebring received an all new platform in 2007. :welcome:



Kinda scary you know this much about the Sebring.

hambone13
01-18-2010, 08:06 PM
Mike Lombardi on NFLN just indicated Nolan was being pursued as DC by several teams and was interested in exploring those offers. So, it may well be that it really was a mutually agreed decision.

He was "interested in pursuing those offers" is the key phrase. If he was interested in staying under McD he wouldn't be pushing for that....

rastaman
01-18-2010, 08:07 PM
I said this several months ago....I worry that McDaniels is going to follow the same path that Belichick and Shanny followed.....talented coordinators who took over teams at a young age, cut their teeth and made a bunch of mistakes, and then got fired. They went back to being coordinators, learned from their mistakes, and succeeded down the line with different teams.

Exactly, doesn't look like McD is ready to be a HC and hiring him as such was a bone head move by Bowlen. Look for 2012 to be McD's last year in Denver.

We fans live in interestimes and are in for some Rocky Years. I suggest we start finding pen pals from Detroit so they can help us cope with the possible disasters coming down the tracks.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 08:08 PM
I will have to + rep you for that nice site. How do they determine some of this stuff anyways? Do they have staff at all the games?

What's interesting is that Ayers is 15th on that list of 3-4 OLB's.



However, I was being sarcastic with Walls.
Clements was demoted for 1 game to 3rd CB because of how horrible he was playing. He should probably follow them closer - or you should just go to the niner forums.

Playing poorly to get demoted one game is hardly a trend. It sounds like a wake up call. As for the site I have no clue how they do it, but it is amazing. A poster brought it here a couple of days ago and I just love it.

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 08:08 PM
Kinda scary you know this much about the Sebring.

I'm a car guy, so I follow it somewhat.

I own a Mustang GT though. :wiggle:

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 08:10 PM
Kinda scary you know this much about the Sebring.

http://1.media.tumblr.com/0LOD7ELvfoudvgxtZVdafYOAo1_500.jpg
I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 08:11 PM
Playing poorly to get demoted one game is hardly a trend. It sounds like a wake up call. As for the site I have no clue how they do it, but it is amazing. A poster brought it here a couple of days ago and I just love it.

Just did some more researching...

He's not a starter anymore. This was said after their last game...

Coach Mike Singletary said earlier in the week that Clements would return, but he'll have to earn his starting job back this offseason. More likely, he's looking at a diminished role with the Niners targeting a cornerback early in April's draft.

http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2010/01/looking-ahead-ranking-49ers-offseason-priorities.html
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=2298

ZONA
01-18-2010, 08:12 PM
Mike Nolan believes that there are a handful of teams that are "closer" than the Broncos. When he ends up a DC in Miami it will be an indictment of where he feels the Broncos are as an organization and a team. Sad.

Yeah ok. Did you go out to dinner with the man and he told you this? I think not, shut up.

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 08:13 PM
Don't count me in that agenda, silly girl.

BPC is the absolute last person that should be allowed to claim someone else has an agenda.

Archer81
01-18-2010, 08:14 PM
Yeah ok. Did you go out to dinner with the man and he told you this? I think not, shut up.


Thats how it works here. See, the Broncos players ride the light rail, and use it as a form of confession to anyone who will listen.

So what if its the same 2 players all year causing problems, and so what if proof of McDaniels being a meanie head is based on people's individual opinions on those players or McDaniels. I mean, if McDaniels was so horrible, dont you think you would have more than 2 players saying something?

:Broncos:

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 08:17 PM
Just did some more researching...

He's not a starter anymore. This was said after their last game...

Coach Mike Singletary said earlier in the week that Clements would return, but he'll have to earn his starting job back this offseason. More likely, he's looking at a diminished role with the Niners targeting a cornerback early in April's draft.

http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2010/01/looking-ahead-ranking-49ers-offseason-priorities.html
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=2298

Everything my brother said is that they are thinking about moving him to safety. Still I wouldn't count Clements out of anything he has been too good for too long.

colorado jones
01-18-2010, 08:23 PM
I'm a car guy, so I follow it somewhat.

I own a Mustang GT though. :wiggle:

I wasn't judging you , I swear!:sunshine:

jhns
01-18-2010, 08:23 PM
No defense and no QB = win?

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 08:24 PM
Everything my brother said is that they are thinking about moving him to safety. Still I wouldn't count Clements out of anything he has been too good for too long.

Back to the main point - he has sucked pretty badly.

Again - he isn't moving to safety. Not sure why you keep on trying to dig yourself out of a hole.

49ers coach Mike Singletary said Monday that Nate Clements will return to the team in 2010 as a cornerback.

He also has SAID he doesn't want to play safety.

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 08:24 PM
I wasn't judging you , I swear!:sunshine:

Just checking. :approve:

orinjkrush
01-18-2010, 08:30 PM
reactions:
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shallow breathing, efflurage....
WTF?
ok, ok, ok, we can deal with this, it will be ok
WTF??
so Nolan quits? refused to talk? whatever. they "mutually agree" this arrangement is TANKING
Denver la Comedia Act 3 begins in a moment. house lights dim.
Das Wunderkind McMozart laughs maniacally.
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Best Coaches....GONE!! HAHAHAHHA

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panting panting panting

drugs need drugs. need drugs. it will be ok. it will be ok. its just a nightmare.

montrose
01-18-2010, 08:38 PM
Boy I tell you, I've been very supportive of Josh McDaniels - especially through last offseason but this move has me very, very worried. Color me with the attitude that the Anti-McD crew had about a year ago. Not so much because Nolan is a great DC, which he was, but the accumulation of several things begining with the bye week debacle, poor playcalling, the Shanahan-esque collapse and now his prized assistant wanting to jump ship for a lateral move. In the meantime KC, who put a whipping on us in our own house, is building things up which is scaring the crap out of me.

Worst part for me is that I think McD will be a great HC in this league, I just think it's looking more like it'll be at stop #2.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2010, 08:46 PM
Back to the main point - he has sucked pretty badly.

Again - he isn't moving to safety. Not sure why you keep on trying to dig yourself out of a hole.

49ers coach Mike Singletary said Monday that Nate Clements will return to the team in 2010 as a cornerback.

He also has SAID he doesn't want to play safety.
When has he sucked pretty badly? This year? This year might have been the worst year he has had in the NFL but he was hurt. As far as moving him to safety, it was a rumor. The fact that Mike Singletary addressed it is enough to make me believe that there was talk of the move.

You know what **** it. I can give two sh*ts and a **** about Nate Clements. The fact is the MAIN point is that you said that Nolan failed to fix the D when he was hand picking the players he brought in.

Is Willis a failure?
Is Larson a failure?
Is Justin Smith A failure?
Is Spikes a failure?
Is Franklin a failure?
Is Dashon Goldson a failure?

He brought in Michael Lewis. He is still starting for them. Isaac Sopoaga was brought in by Nolan, still a starter. Parys Haralson was brought in during Nolan's time there. I mean really other then Shawntae Spencer who was already on the team to begin with when Nolan got there is there any other starters for that team that Nolan didn't have a hand in bring in?

joe9999
01-18-2010, 08:56 PM
Wow! Unbelievable. The Broncos are about to fall even farther. It was inevitable. Nolan is a superior coach to McD. It couldn`t work with him being second fiddle.

By the time Bowlen and the rest of the "real fans" realise that McD has to go, the Broncos will be the laughing stock of the NFL.

Boobs McGee
01-18-2010, 09:09 PM
I wonder if the chargers/raiders/chiefs boards are all linking these threads, and pulling the "look at the epic meltdown" card.

Way to go people, everyone RUN! QUICK!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! aAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaahhh!!!

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 09:09 PM
Before the split, Miami sent in a request for permission to interview Nolan, sources close to the situation told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. The parting was friendly and gave Nolan a chance to move on and talk to the Dolphins, the source told Clayton.

Friendly guys, friendly.

broncosteven
01-18-2010, 09:12 PM
Before the split, Miami sent in a request for permission to interview Nolan, sources close to the situation told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. The parting was friendly and gave Nolan a chance to move on and talk to the Dolphins, the source told Clayton.

Friendly guys, friendly.


Lateral move guy LATERAL MOVE.

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 09:15 PM
Lateral move guy LATERAL MOVE.

By name, yeah. But as of right now he isn't hired (he probably will be) and he might have more control of the defense + more money... but sure as of now lateral move. Let's wait for more details.

+ he's a parcells guy.

SureShot
01-18-2010, 09:51 PM
Boy I tell you, I've been very supportive of Josh McDaniels - especially through last offseason but this move has me very, very worried. Color me with the attitude that the Anti-McD crew had about a year ago. Not so much because Nolan is a great DC, which he was, but the accumulation of several things begining with the bye week debacle, poor playcalling, the Shanahan-esque collapse and now his prized assistant wanting to jump ship for a lateral move. In the meantime KC, who put a whipping on us in our own house, is building things up which is scaring the crap out of me.

Worst part for me is that I think McD will be a great HC in this league, I just think it's looking more like it'll be at stop #2.

So we are not going 13-3 next year?:D

DenverBrit
01-18-2010, 10:02 PM
Wow! Unbelievable. The Broncos are about to fall even farther. It was inevitable. Nolan is a superior coach to McD. It couldn`t work with him being second fiddle.

By the time Bowlen and the rest of the "real fans" realise that McD has to go, the Broncos will be the laughing stock of the NFL.

Oh, I thought the 'real fans' were the McPoopyPants haters.......and they've already declared Denver the laughing stock of the NFL, so it's all up from here.

HAT
01-18-2010, 10:28 PM
So we are not going 13-3 next year?:D

Baby steps. It will be 11-5.

Taco John
01-18-2010, 11:04 PM
This is pretty embarassing for McDaniels any way you slice it.

montrose
01-18-2010, 11:04 PM
So we are not going 13-3 next year?:D

Sure doesn't look like it. Obviously I'll reserve total judgement until the offseason is complete but since that bye week, McD has made mistake after mistake and I'm worried the trend will continue.

Archer81
01-18-2010, 11:14 PM
This is pretty embarassing for McDaniels any way you slice it.


Only if you have a problem with McDaniels in the first place.


:Broncos:

extralife
01-18-2010, 11:21 PM
This is a joke. First all the supporters were breaking out the "McD hired Nolan (even though he probably didn't)" line to somehow try to attach our defensive improvements to our Amazing head coach, now when he jumps off the sinking ship it's "oh, well Nolan wasn't very good and our defense sucks anyway." If Nolan wasn't very good, and our defense lacks talent, and our offense took a firm step back and our best player is all but gone...what, exactly, do we have going for us?

HAT
01-18-2010, 11:25 PM
This is a joke. First all the supporters were breaking out the "McD hired Nolan (even though he probably didn't)" line to somehow try to attach our defensive improvements to our Amazing head coach, now when he jumps off the sinking ship it's "oh, well Nolan wasn't very good and our defense sucks anyway."

notsofast

Less than 1% (way less) of "McD supporters" would say "Nolan wasn't very good".

So now anytime a OC or DC takes another gig he's "jumping ship?"

Archer81
01-18-2010, 11:28 PM
notsofast

Less than 1% (way less) of "McD supporters" would say "Nolan wasn't very good".

So now anytime a OC or DC takes another gig he's "jumping ship?"


Wait...I know the answer to that one...uhh...uhh...yes?

:Broncos:

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 11:31 PM
This is a joke. First all the supporters were breaking out the "McD hired Nolan (even though he probably didn't)" line to somehow try to attach our defensive improvements to our Amazing head coach, now when he jumps off the sinking ship it's "oh, well Nolan wasn't very good and our defense sucks anyway." If Nolan wasn't very good, and our defense lacks talent, and our offense took a firm step back and our best player is all but gone...what, exactly, do we have going for us?

Rep ... the rationalizing is so contorted and self-serving, you almost have to applaud them for it. Almost.

And yes, in the case of this trainwreck, anybody leaving is "jumping ship."

SouthStndJunkie
01-18-2010, 11:33 PM
Dumervil will be a restricted a free agent if there's no collective bargaining agreement. Come next season, he will be working for his eighth defensive coordinator in eight seasons, including three at the University of Louisville.

8 defensive coordinators in 8 seasons and Dumervil has still managed to consistently sack the QB through his entire college and pro career.

Taco John
01-18-2010, 11:33 PM
Only if you have a problem with McDaniels in the first place.


:Broncos:


I disagree. When you're a coach starting a new program, and after one year your exalted defensive coordinator starts interviewing for lateral positions, that's embarassing.

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 11:35 PM
Only if you have a problem with McDaniels in the first place.

:Broncos:

WAY wrong. Many, MANY guys have jumped off the Josh bandwagon ... several just today. These guys didn't have "a problem with him in the first place," but they do now. Because they see what's happening.

Funny, I never counted you among the die-hard Josh apologists ???

Archer81
01-18-2010, 11:35 PM
I disagree. When you're a coach starting a new program, and after one year your exalted defensive coordinator starts interviewing for lateral positions, that's embarassing.


I disagree on your disagreeance. If you have a philisophical difference with one of your coordinators, why keep them around?


:Broncos:

Archer81
01-18-2010, 11:36 PM
WAY wrong. Many, MANY guys have jumped off the Josh bandwagon ... they didn't have a problem with him in the first place, but they do now. Because they see what's happening.

Funny, I never counted you among the die-hard Josh apologists ???


Name them.


:Broncos:

Taco John
01-18-2010, 11:39 PM
I disagree on your disagreeance. If you have a philisophical difference with one of your coordinators, why keep them around?


:Broncos:


The philisophical difference is apparently that Nolan doesn't like screaming kids.

bpc
01-18-2010, 11:40 PM
This is a joke. First all the supporters were breaking out the "McD hired Nolan (even though he probably didn't)" line to somehow try to attach our defensive improvements to our Amazing head coach, now when he jumps off the sinking ship it's "oh, well Nolan wasn't very good and our defense sucks anyway." If Nolan wasn't very good, and our defense lacks talent, and our offense took a firm step back and our best player is all but gone...what, exactly, do we have going for us?

Two weeks ago we were debating 2-8... man, failing that bad down the stretch sucked. What did the McDaniels apologists do? "OH, it wasn't that bad! SPIN SPIN SPIN"

Today that Nolan and McD "MUTUALLY" to part and what's the first defense the apologist use? "MAN, WE WERE 2-8 DOWN THE STRETCH, THAT SUCKED, CHANGES ARE WARRANTED!"

It's easy to laugh at these guys.

Archer81
01-18-2010, 11:40 PM
The philisophical difference is apparently that Nolan doesn't like screaming kids.


Any evidence of this?



:Broncos:

Taco John
01-18-2010, 11:42 PM
Any evidence of this?



:Broncos:


Yeah. The screaming kid, and the stellar coach headed towards the exit.

TheDave
01-18-2010, 11:43 PM
I disagree on your disagreeance. If you have a philisophical difference with one of your coordinators, why keep them around?


:Broncos:

In one season Nolan took one of the worst defenses I've ever seen, implemented an entirely new system with 7 new starters and turned them into a top 10 defense... Maybe the head coach shouldn't have philosophical differences with that kind of success.

Archer81
01-18-2010, 11:45 PM
Two weeks ago we were debating 2-8... man, failing that bad down the stretch sucked. What did the McDaniels apologists do? "OH, it wasn't that bad! SPIN SPIN SPIN"

Today that Nolan and McD "MUTUALLY" to part and what's the first defense the apologist use? "MAN, WE WERE 2-8 DOWN THE STRETCH, THAT SUCKED, CHANGES ARE WARRANTED!"

It's easy to laugh at these guys.


Almost as funny as the screaming hysteria you have brought to this thread. Fire McDaniels for letting a coordinator walk. No one on this board has any clue what was said between McDaniels and Nolan; so typical of the Mane, there is projected opinion and an attitude that has split the board the same way its been split this season. If you like McDaniels, its not a big deal. If you dont like him or hate him, its the worst thing evar. Its getting tiresome. No one is telling any of us to watch the Broncos or have anything to do with the team. So this is alot of anger over a trivial subject that in true perspective doesnt really matter much.

:Broncos:

Archer81
01-18-2010, 11:46 PM
In one season Nolan took one of the worst defenses I've ever seen, implemented an entirely new system with 7 new starters and turned them into a top 10 defense... Maybe the head coach shouldn't have philosophical differences with that kind of success.


Using players the HC brought in and implementing a more aggressive 3-4 then Nolan is accustomed to.


:Broncos:

Taco John
01-18-2010, 11:46 PM
Almost as funny as the screaming hysteria you have brought to this thread. Fire McDaniels for letting a coordinator walk. No one on this board has any clue what was said between McDaniels and Nolan; so typical of the Mane, there is projected opinion and an attitude that has split the board the same way its been split this season. If you like McDaniels, its not a big deal. If you dont like him or hate him, its the worst thing evar. Its getting tiresome. No one is telling any of us to watch the Broncos or have anything to do with the team. So this is alot of anger over a trivial subject that in true perspective doesnt really matter much.

:Broncos:



It's absolutely fitting that your avatar be attached to this post.

Archer81
01-18-2010, 11:47 PM
Yeah. The screaming kid, and the stellar coach headed towards the exit.


Ah. So no evidence at all. Thought so.


:Broncos:

Taco John
01-18-2010, 11:48 PM
Ah. So no evidence at all. Thought so.


:Broncos:

Do they have postcards in La La Land? You should send us one.

TheDave
01-18-2010, 11:50 PM
Using players the HC brought in and implementing a more aggressive 3-4 then Nolan is accustomed to.


:Broncos:

Don't kid yourself, Nolan implemented one of the finest defensive turn arounds we've ever seen... Don't start taking the credit away from him now that he has gone elsewhere.

Archer81
01-18-2010, 11:51 PM
Do they have postcards in La La Land? You should send us one.


Yup. And on the back it will say "Reality says Hi and hopes to see you again soon".


:Broncos:

SouthStndJunkie
01-18-2010, 11:51 PM
One of Josh's responsibilities as a head coach is to build a program and construct a plan that the players and coaches buy into and really want to be a part of.

The recent actions of many players and assistant coaches tell me that they are not buying what Josh is selling.

Archer81
01-18-2010, 11:52 PM
Don't kid yourself, Nolan implemented one of the finest defensive turn arounds we've ever seen... Don't start taking the credit away from him now that he has gone elsewhere.


I have said Nolan is a good coordinator. If he has a difference of opinion on defense then the HC, why stay?


:Broncos:

TheDave
01-18-2010, 11:54 PM
I have said Nolan is a good coordinator. If he has a difference of opinion on defense then the HC, why stay?


:Broncos:

Because his different opinion worked...

SouthStndJunkie
01-18-2010, 11:54 PM
I have said Nolan is a good coordinator. If he has a difference of opinion on defense then the HC, why stay?


:Broncos:

The point is that a lot of people seem to have a differing opinion than Josh does....we are starting to see a pattern develop.

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 11:55 PM
Name them.


:Broncos:

Several of them just today. Don't have a list, but the phrases "last straw," "I can't make excuses for him anymore," and "this is too much" come to mind.

Taco John
01-18-2010, 11:56 PM
Yup. And on the back it will say "Reality says Hi and hopes to see you again soon".


:Broncos:

Yeah. The reality is that we don't have the continuity to build on this season from the strongest unit on our team. Yet another Defensive coordinator is on his way in, after McDaniels just hired a guy last season. Which brings me back to my original point: this is embarassing for Josh. It serves to confirm the doubts that existed about hiring a 32 year old guy to be a head coach.

The good news for the Broncos is, it simultaneously boosts Marshall's trade value. The bad news is, that looks like the other shoe that is going to drop this off season.

I hope we can convince some quality FA's to come to town through all this.

Archer81
01-18-2010, 11:57 PM
The point is that a lot of people seem to have a differing opinion than Josh does....we are starting to see a pattern develop.


Only if you want to see it. Every situation McDaniels has dealt with is different. The only pattern that emerges is the same people immediately jump on McDaniels for anything he does or says. The first press conference he gave as a Broncos HC people on this board jumped on him for saying umm too much.


:Broncos:

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 11:58 PM
Two weeks ago we were debating 2-8... man, failing that bad down the stretch sucked. What did the McDaniels apologists do? "OH, it wasn't that bad! SPIN SPIN SPIN"
"We were 8-8, same as last year!"
"We were 8-8, same as last year!"
"We were 8-8, same as last year!"


It's easy to laugh at these guys.
Definitely ... any resemblance between the 6-0 best team in the league, and the 2-8 teams that finished the season the worst team in the league, are purely coincidental.

Archer81
01-19-2010, 12:00 AM
Yeah. The reality is that we don't have the continuity to build on this season from the strongest unit on our team. Yet another Defensive coordinator is on his way in, after McDaniels just hired a guy last season. Which brings me back to my original point: this is embarassing for Josh. It serves to confirm the doubts that existed about hiring a 32 year old guy to be a head coach.

The good news for the Broncos is, it simultaneously boosts Marshall's trade value. The bad news is, that looks like the other shoe that is going to drop this off season.

I hope we can convince some quality FA's to come to town through all this.


If a year from now the Broncos are in the same boat (strong start, weak finish) and a lack if improvement through the entire year, I will be just as opinionated on McDaniels as some of you seem to be.

All we can do, is wait and see what unfolds. Not everything that happens to the Broncos automatically equals the end of the franchise.

:Broncos:

Archer81
01-19-2010, 12:00 AM
Several of them just today. Don't have a list, but the phrases "last straw," "I can't make excuses for him anymore," and "this is too much" come to mind.


IYou mean fans? I thought you meant coaches or players.


:Broncos:

BroncoBuff
01-19-2010, 12:01 AM
IYou mean fans? I thought you meant coaches or players.


:Broncos:

No, O'Maners ... several gave up on him today.

Taco John
01-19-2010, 12:04 AM
If a year from now the Broncos are in the same boat (strong start, weak finish) and a lack if improvement through the entire year, I will be just as opinionated on McDaniels as some of you seem to be.

And slow to recognize trends.

All we can do, is wait and see what unfolds. Not everything that happens to the Broncos automatically equals the end of the franchise.

:Broncos:


That's all we can do, outside of discussing it amongst ourselves.

Archer81
01-19-2010, 12:06 AM
And slow to recognize trends.




That's all we can do, outside of discussing it amongst ourselves.


Or more willing to give the man more than a year before pushing for him being fired.


:Broncos:

woodall
01-19-2010, 12:11 AM
What has McDaniels done to deserve more than a year?

Taco John
01-19-2010, 12:12 AM
Or more willing to give the man more than a year before pushing for him being fired.


:Broncos:



I'm not pushing for him to be fired. But I'm not certain as I was yesterday that it would be the absolute worst thing that could happen to this team this offseason. That happened today.

TheReverend
01-19-2010, 12:13 AM
What has McDaniels done to deserve more than a year?

Blown Joe Ellis?

SouthStndJunkie
01-19-2010, 12:14 AM
Blown Joe Ellis?

bwahaha

Taco John
01-19-2010, 12:15 AM
If Bowlen fired McDaniels tomorrow, and promoted Nolan to HC, I wouldn't complain.

Archer81
01-19-2010, 12:15 AM
I'm not pushing for him to be fired. But I'm not certain as I was yesterday that it would be the absolute worst thing that could happen to this team this offseason. That happened today.


We'll see.


:Broncos:

Taco John
01-19-2010, 12:16 AM
We'll see.


:Broncos:



Indeed. One thing is certain, McDaniels is good for traffic. Hooray for us, huh?

Archer81
01-19-2010, 12:18 AM
Indeed. One thing is certain, McDaniels is good for traffic. Hooray for us, huh?


LOL. I was just thinking that. Ha.


:Broncos:

woodall
01-19-2010, 12:23 AM
We'll see.


:Broncos:

Idiots like you will keep saying "We'll see" until the Broncos finish the season 0-16. I think we have already seen what Joshie can do and it SUCKS! How long of a leash does McDouchebag get? GET HIM GONE!!!

Archer81
01-19-2010, 12:24 AM
Idiots like you will keep saying "We'll see" until the Broncos finish the season 0-16. I think we have already seen what Joshie can do and it SUCKS!


I commend you word smith, keep it up.


:Broncos:

woodall
01-19-2010, 12:26 AM
Whatever Pollyanna....

isn't it wordsmith?

TheReverend
01-19-2010, 12:27 AM
Was this twat posted?

Broncos offensive player on Nolan: "Man I am completely shocked on that one. Man this making think some crazy things about this place."

Archer81
01-19-2010, 12:37 AM
Whatever Pollyanna....

isn't it wordsmith?


Its 1230. WTF do you want? Perfect diction? Keep being negative. Im sure it will pay off.


:Broncos:

Broncos_OTM
01-19-2010, 01:16 AM
I have officially jumped ship on Mcdaniels. I have been pretty nuetral up to this point. There was something that happened with MCD and Nolan. I dont care what yall have to say to contradict it.

Its Time For The Smurf to go. Hey Hey Ho Ho Mcdaniels the smurf has got to go!

Atwater His Ass
01-19-2010, 02:00 AM
Indeed. One thing is certain, McDaniels is good for traffic. Hooray for us, huh?

Sad part is I wouldn't either.

McD just doesn't know how to deal with people at all. He's like the new supervisor that comes in to a succesfull company and just starts changing all the processes and stragtigies without regard for what has worked in the past and without regard to how he is perceived by his employees.

Florida_Bronco
01-19-2010, 02:37 AM
Yeah. The reality is that we don't have the continuity to build on this season from the strongest unit on our team. Yet another Defensive coordinator is on his way in, after McDaniels just hired a guy last season. Which brings me back to my original point: this is embarassing for Josh. It serves to confirm the doubts that existed about hiring a 32 year old guy to be a head coach.

Again, this fails at the most basic level of logic. Nolan himself said that Josh had him run the Patriots more aggressive style of defense, and Josh also picked the players and was just as active in coaching the defense as he was the offense.

You people acting like we're suddenly going to suck on defense again because the guy who was secondary to McD left town, are really clueless.

Gort
01-19-2010, 02:38 AM
Sad part is I wouldn't either.

McD just doesn't know how to deal with people at all. He's like the new supervisor that comes in to a succesfull company and just starts changing all the processes and stragtigies without regard for what has worked in the past and without regard to how he is perceived by his employees.

guys like that don't care how they are perceived because they intend to replace everyone with their own hires as soon as practicable anyway. good or bad? time will tell... Shanny is probably somewhere laughing today.

Atwater His Ass
01-19-2010, 02:47 AM
guys like that don't care how they are perceived because they intend to replace everyone with their own hires as soon as practicable anyway. good or bad? time will tell... Shanny is probably somewhere laughing today.

it's a horrible philosphy to run in life. it shows nothing but disrespect to everyone you ever come into contact with.

24champ
01-19-2010, 02:51 AM
Again, this fails at the most basic level of logic. Nolan himself said that Josh had him run the Patriots more aggressive style of defense, and Josh also picked the players and was just as active in coaching the defense as he was the offense.

You people acting like we're suddenly going to suck on defense again because the guy who was secondary to McD left town, are really clueless.

Which would explain why Pees is speculated to be the next guy...though I hope it's Pepper Johnson.

I must also point out that Nolan wasn't McDaniels first choice in the hiring process for the Defensive Coord. position. It was Capers that we wanted...and he ran off to Green Bay and we got Nolan.

Taco John
01-19-2010, 02:55 AM
Again, this fails at the most basic level of logic. Nolan himself said that Josh had him run the Patriots more aggressive style of defense, and Josh also picked the players and was just as active in coaching the defense as he was the offense.

You people acting like we're suddenly going to suck on defense again because the guy who was secondary to McD left town, are really clueless.


Nolan wasn't secondary to the reason the Broncos managed 8 wins this past season.

Florida_Bronco
01-19-2010, 02:57 AM
Nolan wasn't secondary to the reason the Broncos managed 8 wins this past season.

How do you figure that? Josh dictated the scheme, picked the players, was hands on in coaching the players, involved in the defensive gameplanning and according to some speculation, handled a good portion of the defensive play calling.

Nolan absolutely was secondary to Josh in the defensive overhaul, much less the 8 wins.

DBroncos4life
01-19-2010, 03:03 AM
How do you figure that? Josh dictated the scheme, picked the players, was hands on in coaching the players, involved in the defensive gameplanning and according to some speculation, handled a good portion of the defensive play calling.

Nolan absolutely was secondary to Josh in the defensive overhaul, much less the 8 wins.

So all the blame falls on McD for the failure then.

Taco John
01-19-2010, 03:05 AM
How do you figure that? Josh dictated the scheme, picked the players, was hands on in coaching the players, involved in the defensive gameplanning and according to some speculation, handled a good portion of the defensive play calling.

Nolan absolutely was secondary to Josh in the defensive overhaul, much less the 8 wins.

Josh handled a good portion of the defensive play calling? Where is this information coming from? It might explain why we went 6-0 to start, and crumbled 2-8 down the stretch.

Who was speculating that?

rastaman
01-19-2010, 04:53 AM
It seems to be drawing ever clearly that McDaniel's will become known as McTitanic before its all said and done. After McD is fired and he's immediately re-hired back in NE as their offensive coord.....then we know he was sent to Denver as the Manchurian Candidate by the Evil Belichick Regime to destroy the Broncos.Ha!

You heard it here first!:wiggle:

long beach bronco
01-19-2010, 05:22 AM
I am sick of the drama that follows McD. I don't want another offseason of this crap, he must be fired. I have lost all confidence in this team right now, there is no direction, just a bunch of coach on coach, coach on player infighting. This is not what I signed up for.

WolfpackGuy
01-19-2010, 05:49 AM
Where are all "The Coach" lovers at?

This is ridiculous.

Merlin
01-19-2010, 07:12 AM
Shanahan fired Bates after one season.
Its comments like this that are transparently biased. Bates stank so bad we had to move away from his system midstream. Any the players regressed dramatically under his tutelage (and lets not even get into the draft picks that were made that were obviously Bates driven). The opposite is the case with Nolan. Are you actually suggesting Shanny would likely have allowed the coach to make a sideways move after improving the D in such dramatic fashion with so little help in personnel moves? Could you give an example? Surely you don't want to hang your hat on Bates.

worm
01-19-2010, 07:29 AM
I still believe, just like last year, that this team is cancerous, or at the very least, ineffective, at the top.

If we had a solid GM...he could better handle the media relations...smooth egos between staff and players et al. Allow Josh to focus on what he does best...coach.

Instead we have a head coach that is responsible for his job...the job of the OC....the job of the GM (along with Brian)...and now according to a lot here, the job of the DC.

Josh's power or day-to-day responsibility needs to be limited.

I would.

A) Hire a real GM and\or someone like Floyd Reese as a Senior NFL advisor
B) Hire an OC that will call plays
C) Hire a DC that will be allowed to run his scheme

Josh is just a piece of the puzzle. The dude is trying to (and being allowed to) control every aspect of this football team. And it isn't working!!

_Oro_
01-19-2010, 07:31 AM
I am sick of the drama that follows McD. I don't want another offseason of this crap, he must be fired. I have lost all confidence in this team right now, there is no direction, just a bunch of coach on coach, coach on player infighting. This is not what I signed up for.

Ha, I think a lot of these moves are a lot less dramatic if you don't follow the Mane or in general read comments on the internets. But since all of us do, I'm looking forward to the craziest or second craziest offseason in Broncos history.

Merlin
01-19-2010, 07:44 AM
Josh handled a good portion of the defensive play calling? Where is this information coming from?
I thought Popps was bad, but at least he didn't make up stories on the spot. I would like citations showing that McD had an instrumental role on this D. The evidence must be overwhelming considering how some apologists argue it was all mainly due to him. Florida Bronco, you love to parrot other's points and fictionalize from there, but I have seen little to suggest you have the understanding you claim to have. So please, provide evidence of the facts or stop drooling on McD's junk.

bowtown
01-19-2010, 08:00 AM
I thought Popps was bad, but at least he didn't make up stories on the spot. I would like citations showing that McD had an instrumental role on this D. The evidence must be overwhelming considering how some apologists argue it was all mainly due to him. Florida Bronco, you love to parrot other's points and fictionalize from there, but I have seen little to suggest you have the understanding you claim to have. So please, provide evidence of the facts or stop drooling on McD's junk.

Assuming that reports are correct that Nolan wanted more autonomy over his defense than McDaniels allowed for last year, coupled with the fact that Nolan in the past has run read and react defenses, while Josh comes from a background of agressive defense, couldn't it make sense then that the success that our defense had this year with blitzing was at least partly due to McDaniels and his game plans?

TheDave
01-19-2010, 08:02 AM
Josh handled a good portion of the defensive play calling? Where is this information coming from? It might explain why we went 6-0 to start, and crumbled 2-8 down the stretch.

Who was speculating that?

Yeah, I would like to see some proof for this new line...

IMO it looked like he had his hands full with the offense.

orinjkrush
01-19-2010, 08:23 AM
if i'm a free agent, there's no way in hell i would go to denver. well, maybe if there were enough snow.

Broncos4tw
01-19-2010, 08:39 AM
Fire McDaniels for letting a coordinator walk. No one on this board has any clue what was said between McDaniels and Nolan; so typical of the Mane, there is projected opinion and an attitude that has split the board the same way its been split this season. If you like McDaniels, its not a big deal. If you dont like him or hate him, its the worst thing evar. Its getting tiresome. No one is telling any of us to watch the Broncos or have anything to do with the team. So this is alot of anger over a trivial subject that in true perspective doesnt really matter much.

You are not looking at the bigger picture. The decisions McDaniels has made during his FIRST YEAR would be considered an overhaul and a difficult job to manage with a coach with years of experience. He is a kid... a rookie, I don't care how football smart he is. He clearly grates with players and coaches alike. You have to seriously consider how this would affect free agents considering the Broncos as a team.

If you could go to team A or team B, but team A has a coach that will bench or cut you in a heartbeat, no matter if you are a rookie, veteran, franchise player or a coach, where would you want to go?

I don't think Pees becoming available just now is at all a coincidence. I'm wondering if perhaps Nolan got wind of McD possibly looking at Pees, and like Cutler, said "screw this.." and off he goes. Just speculation, but you have to look at the guys' track record.

FIRST YEAR! Our team has had more changes in one year than I've seen in a LONG time. And there is no way Marshall, Scheff and Hillis will be back, and I doubt Royal will either.

RaiderH8r
01-19-2010, 08:42 AM
McKid is the Rachel Phelps of the NFL. If somebody is doing too well he ships them out of town or frustrates them into leaving of their own accord. It's like he's determined to make the team ****tier week by week.

watermock
01-19-2010, 08:55 AM
Beavis.

It's like he didn't want to give Nolan any credit.

He ran the offense in the ground while picking 6 of 9 draft choices on offense.

Our draft SUCKED for so many high picks.

watermock
01-19-2010, 08:59 AM
You are not looking at the bigger picture. The decisions McDaniels has made during his FIRST YEAR would be considered an overhaul and a difficult job to manage with a coach with years of experience. He is a kid... a rookie, I don't care how football smart he is. He clearly grates with players and coaches alike. You have to seriously consider how this would affect free agents considering the Broncos as a team.

If you could go to team A or team B, but team A has a coach that will bench or cut you in a heartbeat, no matter if you are a rookie, veteran, franchise player or a coach, where would you want to go?

I don't think Pees becoming available just now is at all a coincidence. I'm wondering if perhaps Nolan got wind of McD possibly looking at Pees, and like Cutler, said "screw this.." and off he goes. Just speculation, but you have to look at the guys' track record.

FIRST YEAR! Our team has had more changes in one year than I've seen in a LONG time. And there is no way Marshall, Scheff and Hillis will be back, and I doubt Royal will either.


So we go with Quinn and Moreno?

Your not ****in serious!

sixtimeseight
01-19-2010, 09:02 AM
if i'm a free agent, there's no way in hell i would go to denver. well, maybe if there were enough snow.

Good thing you're not a free agent then, just some doughy message board poster.

colonelbeef
01-19-2010, 09:04 AM
He's just creating his own rope, and giving less room for error to himself. If next year's D is suddenly terrible... might be a quick exit for McD.

I like the guy a lot, but this... I just don't like this at all.

The rope was killing the offense by getting rid of the QB and having a mediocre to below average draft.

This is the noose.

colonelbeef
01-19-2010, 09:09 AM
Sad part is I wouldn't either.

McD just doesn't know how to deal with people at all. He's like the new supervisor that comes in to a succesfull company and just starts changing all the processes and stragtigies without regard for what has worked in the past and without regard to how he is perceived by his employees.

Perfect analogy.

In the process, the business loses its' identity.

watermock
01-19-2010, 09:10 AM
The rope was killing the offense by getting rid of the QB and having a mediocre to below average draft.

This is the noose.

And 1 which should of landed 1 starter.

colonelbeef
01-19-2010, 09:12 AM
How do you figure that? Josh dictated the scheme, picked the players, was hands on in coaching the players, involved in the defensive gameplanning and according to some speculation, handled a good portion of the defensive play calling.

Nolan absolutely was secondary to Josh in the defensive overhaul, much less the 8 wins.

Stop, you're embarrassing yourself with the bull**** dude.

Nolan ran the defense last year, and the defense is the reason that team ws .500. That team with a mediocre defense is a 3 win team.

McDaniels ran the offense, how'd that go?

watermock
01-19-2010, 09:13 AM
Jesus, we had 3 picks in 37.

Noone can start?

colonelbeef
01-19-2010, 09:18 AM
I disagree on your disagreeance. If you have a philisophical difference with one of your coordinators, why keep them around?


:Broncos:

What was the philosophical difference? McDaniels wants the defense to fail as hard as the offense?

He should have been buying Nolan roses for saving his offensively handicapped ass from a 3-13 season

Killericon
01-19-2010, 09:24 AM
Is anyone else wondering why the Patriots aren't interviewing Nolan? They still need a DC...

colonelbeef
01-19-2010, 09:28 AM
My take on the situation-

Nolan sees Marshall, Sheffler, Royal, going out the window, and the offense being absolutely putrid again next year, not a big leap to make.

Nolan knows that if this team has a worse record, McDaniels is likely out the door as well, and this would negatively affect his resume and chances at getting another HC gig down the line.

Nolan doesn't like the direction of the team, or the way its' being run, so he bails out and makes a lateral move to Miami, a team he thinks is headed in the right direction. A sound career move from his perspective, but damning from the Broncos' and McDaniels' point of view, any way you slice it.

Archer81
01-19-2010, 10:46 AM
What was the philosophical difference? McDaniels wants the defense to fail as hard as the offense?

He should have been buying Nolan roses for saving his offensively handicapped ass from a 3-13 season


There is an entire thread devoted to why Nolan and McDaniels parted ways based on an article from the Denver Post. Take a look at it.


:Broncos:

watermock
01-19-2010, 11:08 AM
Is this straight from the horses ass or just foul air?

broncosteven
01-19-2010, 11:52 AM
How do you figure that? Josh dictated the scheme, picked the players, was hands on in coaching the players, involved in the defensive gameplanning and according to some speculation, handled a good portion of the defensive play calling.

Nolan absolutely was secondary to Josh in the defensive overhaul, much less the 8 wins.

So does this mean Josh is the one responsible for the 2-8 slide and Nolan was blamless because it was Josh's system? That would give McD total responsiblity for the 2-8 failure.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-19-2010, 12:16 PM
Dolphins hire Nolan

Posted by Mike Florio on January 19, 2010 2:07 PM ET
Yesterday at this time, Mike Nolan was the defensive coordinator of the Broncos.

Today, he's the defensive coordinator of the Dolphins.

Jay Glazer of FOX reports that the deal is done.

It's still not clear why Nolan and Broncos coach Josh McDaniels mutually decided to part ways. But, apparently, Nolan had a bird in the hand before he bolted from the Broncos.

WolfpackGuy
01-19-2010, 12:20 PM
It's still not clear why Nolan and Broncos coach Josh McDaniels mutually decided to part ways. But, apparently, Nolan had a bird in the hand before he bolted from the Broncos.

Now all us Broncos fans have is a turd in the hand.

PRBronco
01-19-2010, 12:30 PM
Dolphins hire Nolan

Posted by Mike Florio on January 19, 2010 2:07 PM ET
Yesterday at this time, Mike Nolan was the defensive coordinator of the Broncos.

Today, he's the defensive coordinator of the Dolphins.

Jay Glazer of FOX reports that the deal is done.

It's still not clear why Nolan and Broncos coach Josh McDaniels mutually decided to part ways. But, apparently, Nolan had a bird in the hand before he bolted from the Broncos.

Is there such a thing as tampering with another team's coaching staff? That deal was made awfully quickly.