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Pony Boy
01-18-2010, 10:26 AM
What's everyone carry for their concealed weapon. I'm looking for something rather small (easily concealed), but still in the range of 9mm or .40cal.
I don't have a problem in the winter, it's easy to conceal under a jacket but in the spring and summer I need something smaller easy to conceal under light weight clothing. What kind of holsters do you prefer.

Yes I have a concealed weapons license but my license requires the weapon to be completely concealed.

TailgateNut
01-18-2010, 10:28 AM
Concealed weapon???

My f-ing bad attitude, and it isn't concealed.

Rabb
01-18-2010, 10:28 AM
Remington 870 Wingmaster

on my back, Army of Darkness style

Taco John
01-18-2010, 10:29 AM
A 45 calibre Colt.

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 10:31 AM
Wow, this is definitely going on my list of "conversations I will never get to have." I'll put it before "what should I make Marissa Miller for breakfast?"

Sorry I can't help, this is going to be interesting thread for me to follow though!

theAPAOps5
01-18-2010, 10:31 AM
I call my left fist Smith and right Wesson!

I know thats a bad joke!

bronco610
01-18-2010, 10:34 AM
Ruger p95 9mm

Bronco Boy
01-18-2010, 10:38 AM
I carry one of these:

http://makeupfx.borec.cz/Savini/Savini.sex.jpg

wolf754life
01-18-2010, 10:41 AM
.380 ruger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR-uRVn4irQ

mr007
01-18-2010, 10:41 AM
4.5 inches of dangling fury.... ohh wait.

OBF1
01-18-2010, 10:42 AM
Single shot greek cannon is my weapon of choice.

TailgateNut
01-18-2010, 10:44 AM
Single shot greek cannon is my weapon of choice.

:spit:

bronclvr
01-18-2010, 10:45 AM
A 45 calibre Colt.

Me too-which one ya got?

Chris
01-18-2010, 10:46 AM
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd342/w153r/reverse-gun.jpg

I wonder how many men would carry weapons if they never saw an action movie.

Learn to disarm and kick the **** out of someone. That way, nobody dies.

ColoradoDarin
01-18-2010, 10:47 AM
Walk softly and carry an armored tank division, I always say. - Col. Nathan R Jessup,

Garcia Bronco
01-18-2010, 10:47 AM
Concealed weapon???

My f-ing bad attitude, and it isn't concealed.

Truest statement, anywhere, ever

TailgateNut
01-18-2010, 10:50 AM
Every time I read these "concealed weapons" threads I ask myself WTF do these people do and where do they live that they need to carry guns on a daily basis. And then I realize that the majority of people who carry concealed weapons would just piss in their pants if a situation which called for them to use their wepon were to arise.Hilarious!

Pony Boy
01-18-2010, 10:53 AM
Wow, this is definitely going on my list of "conversations I will never get to have." I'll put it before "what should I make Marissa Miller for breakfast?"

Sorry I can't help, this is going to be interesting thread for me to follow though!

I think you would be surprised at the large number of Americans that have a license to conceal and carry a weapon or a least keep one in the glove box of their vehicle. It's almost a must for a small business owner to have a weapon at hand. The difference is, if you have a license you are perfectly legal. If you don't have a license and have a weapon under the counter, you are committing a felony. I also have peace of mind when I have my wallet in my hand standing at a gas pump late at night..

Rigs11
01-18-2010, 11:00 AM
http://www.thunderboltguns.com/images/uploads/IMG_0264.jpg

jhat01
01-18-2010, 11:01 AM
I don't carry anymore since I quit my job. When I did though, I carried this:

mr007
01-18-2010, 11:10 AM
I actually have this as my concealed weapon. I have a big jacket.

http://www.gunpundit.com/2008/m82a1.jpg

supermanhr9
01-18-2010, 11:11 AM
I contemplated getting mine, but then I'm afraid I would go out and start looking for trouble. I had a Glock 26 when I was contemplating, but then I sold it to get the idea out of my mind. However it was a great size for a conceal carry weapon and fired beautifully, I totally recommend it.

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 11:13 AM
I think you would be surprised at the large number of Americans that have a license to conceal and carry a weapon or a least keep one in the glove box of their vehicle. It's almost a must for a small business owner to have a weapon at hand. The difference is, if you have a license you are perfectly legal. If you don't have a license and have a weapon under the counter, you are committing a felony. I also have peace of mind when I have my wallet in my hand standing at a gas pump late at night..

You got that right, I had no idea!

SouthStndJunkie
01-18-2010, 11:13 AM
My CCW of choice is the Kahr PM40 subcompact .40.

Well put together subcompact.

<IMG SRC="http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL637/2498345/6660043/322979413.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Hosting by PictureTrail.com">

WolfpackGuy
01-18-2010, 11:14 AM
A phaser.

It comes standard with garage door opener, universal remote, and a Shamwow to clean it...

TailgateNut
01-18-2010, 11:16 AM
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd342/w153r/reverse-gun.jpg

I wonder how many men would carry weapons if they never saw an action movie.

Learn to disarm and kick the **** out of someone. That way, nobody dies.

Actually that should be what most people should be allowed to carry, 'cause most likely if the need were to arise they'd probably shoot themselves or get shot anyway.;D

Ironlung
01-18-2010, 11:23 AM
Springfield .45xd

meangene
01-18-2010, 11:26 AM
.40 Glock 23C

Dukes
01-18-2010, 11:38 AM
Springfield .45xd

+1. And getting a P30 for my next handgun.

Hulamau
01-18-2010, 11:38 AM
I carry one of these:

http://makeupfx.borec.cz/Savini/Savini.sex.jpg

Ouch if that kicks! :angel:

TailgateNut
01-18-2010, 11:39 AM
One question: How many of you "heat packing bad asses" have ever actually shot at anything with a pulse?


Moving paper targets and clay pidgeons don't count.

Mediator12
01-18-2010, 11:47 AM
I have all H&K weapons. The CCW that I would use if I carried would be the USP .40 compact. Reliable and accurate for a short barrel weapon. I lose a little outside of 20 meters, but that is not what a concealed weapon is for anyway. The .40 cal ammunition is more expensive than the 9mm, but I really prefer it for power at that range. A lot of others like the .45 for more power, but I prefer the extra clip capacity.

Here it is: http://hk-usa.com/civilian_products/uspc_general.asp

gyldenlove
01-18-2010, 11:48 AM
One question: How many of you "heat packing bad asses" have ever actually shot at anything with a pulse?


Moving paper targets and clay pidgeons don't count.

I don't pack heat, my guns are packed away safely in a gun safe. I have shot deer, ducks, rabbits, a pigeon, a goose and pheasants.

Rohirrim
01-18-2010, 11:48 AM
I carry around a sense of humor and my love for humanity.

gyldenlove
01-18-2010, 11:50 AM
I used to use a SIG P229 for competitive shooting, very accurate and well balanced for such a compact weapon and very very low failure rate, I never had it jam on me.

gyldenlove
01-18-2010, 11:51 AM
I carry around a sense of humor and my love for humanity.

Now you are lying, no healthy human maner could possibly love humanity.

Rohirrim
01-18-2010, 11:53 AM
Now you are lying, no healthy human maner could possibly love humanity.

I didn't mean you guys, obviously. ;D

jhat01
01-18-2010, 11:54 AM
One question: How many of you "heat packing bad asses" have ever actually shot at anything with a pulse?


Moving paper targets and clay pidgeons don't count.

You sure are fishing hard here bro! :D

Tombstone RJ
01-18-2010, 12:02 PM
I pack two fists of fury, and the ability to talk my way out of anything... so, 2 lightning fast fists of fury and an abiltiy to bullschitt... works every time.

TailgateNut
01-18-2010, 12:09 PM
You sure are fishing hard here bro! :D

I just think it's f-in hilarious. Most of these clowns (when confronted with a situation which would warrant using a weapon) would probably either accidentally shoot themselves while pulling their WEAPON out of it's holster or forget to disengage the safety.:rofl: and then have their own weapon shoved up their ass.

jhns
01-18-2010, 12:17 PM
Don't mind Tail. She thinks she is tough because she can talk tough from behind her monitor. It is kind of funny. I have seen her threaten to beat a few people up from behind her monitor. She doesn't need a weapon when she is acting tough behind her monitor so you guys shouldn't need one either.

BroncosSR
01-18-2010, 12:19 PM
Have 2. First is a Glock 17 RTF2. It's nice but probably a little to big to carry concealed. Other is the one I use most of the time which is a Wahlter PPS .40. It's nice and small but still packs a little punch being a .40, especially over a 9mm. I highly recommend the PPS.

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 12:22 PM
Have 2. First is a Glock 17 RTF2. It's nice but probably a little to big to carry concealed. Other is the one I use most of the time which is a Wahlter PPS .40. It's nice and small but still packs a little punch being a .40, especially over a 9mm. I highly recommend the PPS.

Lol 4 year lurker and this is the first time you post?

Welcome! :wave:

brncs_fan
01-18-2010, 12:30 PM
Illinois doesn't allow conceal and carry. Which is a good thing because I might have to bus-a-cap otherwise.

Majik
01-18-2010, 12:32 PM
I just think it's f-in hilarious. Most of these clowns (when confronted with a situation which would warrant using a weapon) would probably either accidentally shoot themselves while pulling their WEAPON out of it's holster or forget to disengage the safety.:rofl: and then have their own weapon shoved up their ass.

rep! Hilarious!

Rabb
01-18-2010, 12:33 PM
One question: How many of you "heat packing bad asses" have ever actually shot at anything with a pulse?


Moving paper targets and clay pidgeons don't count.

I have been hunting my entire life, never shot a person though.

Pony Boy
01-18-2010, 12:37 PM
I just think it's f-in hilarious. Most of these clowns (when confronted with a situation which would warrant using a weapon) would probably either accidentally shoot themselves while pulling their WEAPON out of it's holster or forget to disengage the safety.:rofl: and then have their own weapon shoved up their ass.

Some of us clowns want to protect our business, home and family and have served our country to protect the right to do so. FYI the Glock I now have doesn't have a safety, it's ready to go and I bet I wouldn't be the one pissing his pants.

Chris
01-18-2010, 12:40 PM
Unless you're megan fox and carry a small gun in your hooker boot I don't see the point of carrying a conceal firearm unless you want to accidentally shoot yourself or kill someone else.

Mediator12
01-18-2010, 12:40 PM
One question: How many of you "heat packing bad asses" have ever actually shot at anything with a pulse?


Moving paper targets and clay pidgeons don't count.

I think you have no idea of what combat shooting is when you say this. I know plenty of guys who have trained in the SF's between the Iraqi wars and never shot at anything with a pulse. Yet, they would drop the first idiot who thought he was a "heat packing badass" before they even found a sight reference.

I know you are trying to make a point here, but that really does not do it. As for me, I hope I never have to point a weapon at anything that has a pulse. Yet, I know I can if I ever have to.

OBF1
01-18-2010, 12:47 PM
I think you would be surprised at the large number of Americans that have a license to conceal and carry a weapon or a least keep one in the glove box of their vehicle. It's almost a must for a small business owner to have a weapon at hand. The difference is, if you have a license you are perfectly legal. If you don't have a license and have a weapon under the counter, you are committing a felony. I also have peace of mind when I have my wallet in my hand standing at a gas pump late at night..

While you have your wallet in your hand it might as well be your dick, because when those 2 guys walk up behind you with their GUNS in hand pointing at the back of your head your wallet will the same job as your dick...... Let me take that back, your dick might be what saves your life, when the 2 gunman take your wallet and see you pissing all over yourself, they might laugh just long enough to smack you in the back of the head with their gun instead of putting a couple hollow points in the base of your skull.

Unless your gun is in your hand and you are ready for who ever is walking up with their gun in their hand, a concealed weapon is useless and still leaves you with a 50/50 chance of survival. If your "Hood" is that bad, you might want to consider moving your children to a safer place and forget playing dirty Harry.

TailgateNut
01-18-2010, 12:55 PM
Some of us clowns want to protect our business, home and family and have served our country to protect the right to do so. FYI the Glock I now have doesn't have a safety, it's ready to go and I bet I wouldn't be the one pissing his pants.

Cute photo/sign, but this isn't about having a gun at home, it's about all those modern day worry-warts who think that having a gun under their jacket will save their ass.

So if you're at the ATM and someone wlks up to you do you automatically pull your GUN, or do you wait for a threatening grimace.:giggle:

BTW: I also served our country and have guns in my home, but don't feel the need to carry one on my person 24/7.

Now on to your Glock. Do you have children in the home? If yes, with no safety how do you keep it safe and ready at the same time?

TailgateNut
01-18-2010, 12:58 PM
While you have your wallet in your hand it might as well be your dick, because when those 2 guys walk up behind you with their GUNS in hand pointing at the back of your head your wallet will the same job as your dick...... Let me take that back, your dick might be what saves your life, when the 2 gunman take your wallet and see you pissing all over yourself, they might laugh just long enough to smack you in the back of the head with their gun instead of putting a couple hollow points in the base of your skull.

Unless your gun is in your hand and you are ready for who ever is walking up with their gun in their hand, a concealed weapon is useless and still leaves you with a 50/50 chance of survival. If your "Hood" is that bad, you might want to consider moving your children to a safer place and forget playing dirty Harry.

It does give them a FALSE SENSE of security. A "blankie" of sorts.Hilarious!

jhns
01-18-2010, 01:00 PM
Now on to your Glock. Do you have children in the home? If yes, with no safety how do you keep it safe and ready at the same time?

LOL

If your safety is what you depend on to keep your kids safe from your gun, you are a dumbass.

Pony Boy
01-18-2010, 01:03 PM
While you have your wallet in your hand it might as well be your dick, because when those 2 guys walk up behind you with their GUNS in hand pointing at the back of your head your wallet will the same job as your dick...... Let me take that back, your dick might be what saves your life, when the 2 gunman take your wallet and see you pissing all over yourself, they might laugh just long enough to smack you in the back of the head with their gun instead of putting a couple hollow points in the base of your skull.

Unless your gun is in your hand and you are ready for who ever is walking up with their gun in their hand, a concealed weapon is useless and still leaves you with a 50/50 chance of survival. If your "Hood" is that bad, you might want to consider moving your children to a safer place and forget playing dirty Harry.

At first, I thought is this guy serious but now I see you are from Pelosi Country, so this threads not for you.... sorry....... go back to your legalizing marijuana and safe butt sex agenda.

Boobs McGee
01-18-2010, 01:39 PM
http://iplayalot.com/gifs/OhSnap.gif

Ramathorn
01-18-2010, 01:57 PM
standard issue duty weapon (after july)

Rohirrim
01-18-2010, 02:02 PM
Most professional security people will tell you a firearm is the last resort and usually works against you. The number one thing is to be aware of your surroundings at all times. If a criminal gets the drop on you, it doesn't matter if you're armed or not. Most people become victims of crime because they are totally unconscious of what's going on around them. They walk to their cars with their keys in their pockets, talking on the cell phone with a bag in one hand, looking down at the ground. In other words, presenting the exact "prey" picture a criminal is looking for. I remember a seminar I saw given by an ex-thief who became a security consultant who told people one of the best things you can do is get a large dog bowl and paint "Killer" on it, and leave it by your back door. A burglar sees that and keeps moving. They want the easy target. The trick is, don't be one.

Archer81
01-18-2010, 02:12 PM
I dont own a gun...my ancestors were quakers...


HAHAHAHAHA J/K. Have 2 .22's and a .38. All three where I can get to them within 10 seconds.

:Broncos:

jhns
01-18-2010, 02:13 PM
I bet this guy doesn't think it is a waste to carry a gun: http://m.yahoo.com/w/ynews/article/odd/0?url=http%3A%2F%2Fxml.news.yahoo.com%2Fus%2Fnews% 2Frss%2Frichstoryrss.html%3Fu%3D%2Fap%2F20100118%2 Fap_on_fe_st%2Fus_odd_driver_shoots_window&.ts=1263849041&.intl=US&.lang=en

Look at that, he didn't even shoot himself.

Bronco Yoda
01-18-2010, 02:20 PM
Anyone need a light?

http://www.z99.com/files/u21/lightsaber.jpg

PaintballCLE
01-18-2010, 02:23 PM
Most professional security people will tell you a firearm is the last resort and usually works against you. The number one thing is to be aware of your surroundings at all times. If a criminal gets the drop on you, it doesn't matter if you're armed or not. Most people become victims of crime because they are totally unconscious of what's going on around them. They walk to their cars with their keys in their pockets, talking on the cell phone with a bag in one hand, looking down at the ground. In other words, presenting the exact "prey" picture a criminal is looking for. I remember a seminar I saw given by an ex-thief who became a security consultant who told people one of the best things you can do is get a large dog bowl and paint "Killer" on it, and leave it by your back door. A burglar sees that and keeps moving. They want the easy target. The trick is, don't be one.

not to sound like a jack ass or anything.......but have you ever seen a dog named killer that wasnt a poodle or something similar to it?

philiptr2
01-18-2010, 02:27 PM
I bet this guy doesn't think it is a waste to carry a gun: http://m.yahoo.com/w/ynews/article/odd/0?url=http%3A%2F%2Fxml.news.yahoo.com%2Fus%2Fnews% 2Frss%2Frichstoryrss.html%3Fu%3D%2Fap%2F20100118%2 Fap_on_fe_st%2Fus_odd_driver_shoots_window&.ts=1263849041&.intl=US&.lang=en

Look at that, he didn't even shoot himself.

He was so scared when his cell phone went off that he drove into a creek then shot his way out of his own car? This guy has a darwin award in his future.

Paladin
01-18-2010, 03:29 PM
I carry around a sense of humor and my love for humanity.

So. You get crapped on a lot?




:wave:

TDmvp
01-18-2010, 03:33 PM
Unless you're megan fox and carry a small gun in your hooker boot I don't see the point of carrying a conceal firearm unless you want to accidentally shoot yourself or kill someone else.

Does each of your post get stupider and stupider on purpose ?

BroncosSR
01-18-2010, 03:35 PM
There's a fine line. For those of you who say you should never carry a concealed weapon, you've never lived in a city with a lot of crime. I have a weapon strictly for protection. I've seen it happen way too many times for it to happen to me (again). I don't want to carry a gun but numerous interest groups (notably the NRA) make it their life's work to keep guns in society, therefore keeping them in criminal's hands...

BroncosSR
01-18-2010, 03:38 PM
While you have your wallet in your hand it might as well be your dick, because when those 2 guys walk up behind you with their GUNS in hand pointing at the back of your head your wallet will the same job as your dick...... Let me take that back, your dick might be what saves your life, when the 2 gunman take your wallet and see you pissing all over yourself, they might laugh just long enough to smack you in the back of the head with their gun instead of putting a couple hollow points in the base of your skull.

Unless your gun is in your hand and you are ready for who ever is walking up with their gun in their hand, a concealed weapon is useless and still leaves you with a 50/50 chance of survival. If your "Hood" is that bad, you might want to consider moving your children to a safer place and forget playing dirty Harry.

50/50 is better than 0.

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 03:40 PM
I have all H&K weapons. The CCW that I would use if I carried would be the USP .40 compact. Reliable and accurate for a short barrel weapon. I lose a little outside of 20 meters, but that is not what a concealed weapon is for anyway. The .40 cal ammunition is more expensive than the 9mm, but I really prefer it for power at that range. A lot of others like the .45 for more power, but I prefer the extra clip capacity.

Here it is: http://hk-usa.com/civilian_products/uspc_general.asp

Excellent choice.

I'm kicking around a couple different ideas right now. I would like a Glock 19 or 23, especially since I already own a G21 and am pretty proficient with it. Also thinking about one of those Springfield XD's, Sig Sauer P229 and a H&K like you have.

Rohirrim
01-18-2010, 03:43 PM
So. You get crapped on a lot?




:wave:

Naw. If anybody tried that, I'd shoot 'em.

CSU Husker
01-18-2010, 03:50 PM
So say someone attacks a concealed weapon carrier, and they pull out their piece. Then the authorities arrive, how are they going to decide who gets popped with government lead? Makes ya think.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-18-2010, 03:55 PM
I have a concealed carry permit, and pack a Glock model 36. Its a 45 cal ACP, compact enough to carry in the waistband.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Gh1m_mwTz2s/RnQ1r1chTwI/AAAAAAAAADs/HlsV_Zww59Q/s320/Glock+36.jpg

SureShot
01-18-2010, 04:36 PM
I rock these.

http://clowntownmovie.com/nunchuck.jpg

Mogulseeker
01-18-2010, 05:29 PM
**** concealed weapons. I jacked a .50 cal from the Navy when I left and I use it all the time.

I bang hos and kill fools.

HILife
01-18-2010, 06:15 PM
What's everyone carry for their concealed weapon. I'm looking for something rather small (easily concealed), but still in the range of 9mm or .40cal.
I don't have a problem in the winter, it's easy to conceal under a jacket but in the spring and summer I need something smaller easy to conceal under light weight clothing. What kind of holsters do you prefer.

Yes I have a concealed weapons license but my license requires the weapon to be completely concealed.

Try this
http://www.americanspecialops.com/images/photos/swcc/minigun.jpg

Brewer
01-18-2010, 06:36 PM
I just want to know how many badasses who carry guns (concealed or not) have actually "made a difference" in "a situation." Gun mongers always trot out the "if the victim had only been carrying a gun" argument every time someone gets shot. Here's your chance, Mr. NRA. Dazzle me. :strong:

bombquixote
01-18-2010, 06:40 PM
Anybody got a story about how having a concealed weapons saved their ass?

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2010, 06:42 PM
I have a concealed carry permit, and pack a Glock model 36. Its a 45 cal ACP, compact enough to carry in the waistband.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Gh1m_mwTz2s/RnQ1r1chTwI/AAAAAAAAADs/HlsV_Zww59Q/s320/Glock+36.jpg

Are they easy to control despite being that small?

Dr. Broncenstein
01-18-2010, 06:56 PM
Are they easy to control despite being that small?

I have no problem with it. It's not like I'm competition shooting with it. The 357 sig version was hard to handle, and fairly hard to find at the local mom and pop... 45 acp is always available at a decent price.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-18-2010, 07:00 PM
Anybody got a story about how having a concealed weapons saved their ass?

No but I've emergently operated on a guy who was fended off by a CCW permit holder. Safe to say he picked the wrong target.

/cool story, bro

orinjkrush
01-18-2010, 09:12 PM
my concealed handgun license required finger printing, FBI background check, local and state police background check, evidence of handgun training and $50.

i carry a .380 when I damn well feel like it. thanks founding fathers.

Kyle
01-19-2010, 02:26 AM
I have used my weapon for those asking. I didn't have to discharge a single round. I have carried different weapons depending on attire. The weapon I was carrying when I used it, for the protection of my self and my significant other at the time, was a S&W 1006 I was wearing under my jacket in a holster that fits discreetly on my back clipped to the inside of my pants/belt. Concealed works well because it doesn't arouse the suspicion of people I don't want aroused. When I did brandish my weapon, the desired result was affected. The person looking down the barrel of it froze and did exactly what I told him until the authorities arrived when he was arrested for armed robbery. He was later charged with and found guilty of armed robbery, illegal possession of a firearm, and a few other small charges. He showed a pistol in his belt to my lady friend and she screamed "GUN!" I pulled mine before he knew what happened and explained to him my willingness to use it and desire to make an example of him. I think it all worked pretty well.

NO criminal that is willing to kill someone with the firearm he is carrying is concerned with being fined for illegal carry!! To all who think owning pistols or carrying them should be illegal should read that over and over! If MURDER is an option on the table, arrest for possessing a firearm is not a concern!

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Taco John
01-19-2010, 02:31 AM
Me too-which one ya got?


This one:
http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/06/hardees_badthings/image/colt_45.jpg

SPORTSWRITER
01-19-2010, 03:30 AM
Ruger p95 9mm

Got a Ruger P89 9mm with both a 10 and 15 mag capacity. Have a shoulder holster, but it's not very easy to conceal under anything but a loose-fitting jacket. Under a sports coat, a bit bulky, but maybe it's my extra 10 lbs. I put on lately, so my sports coats are too small. Ha! Anyway, I really like my Ruger. How do you like your P95?

watermock
01-19-2010, 04:02 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Winchester_Model_12_Shotgun._1785.jpg

MEH

BroncoMan4ever
01-19-2010, 06:19 AM
Remington 870 Wingmaster

on my back, Army of Darkness style

Groovy.

Did you shop smart and pick it up at S-Mart? also are you rocking the chainsaw on the left hand or just the Remington?

Beantown Bronco
01-19-2010, 07:33 AM
For what it's worth, I heard on the light rail that Broncofan7 is packin a 9 inch italian sausage...

azbroncfan
01-19-2010, 07:45 AM
I have 3 diffent ones Glock 22, HK USP 9 mm and USP 40 compact. I like my 9 the best because of the double/single action trigger.

TailgateNut
01-19-2010, 07:50 AM
I have used my weapon for those asking. I didn't have to discharge a single round. I have carried different weapons depending on attire. The weapon I was carrying when I used it, for the protection of my self and my significant other at the time, was a S&W 1006 I was wearing under my jacket in a holster that fits discreetly on my back clipped to the inside of my pants/belt. Concealed works well because it doesn't arouse the suspicion of people I don't want aroused. When I did brandish my weapon, the desired result was affected. The person looking down the barrel of it froze and did exactly what I told him until the authorities arrived when he was arrested for armed robbery. He was later charged with and found guilty of armed robbery, illegal possession of a firearm, and a few other small charges. He showed a pistol in his belt to my lady friend and she screamed "GUN!" I pulled mine before he knew what happened and explained to him my willingness to use it and desire to make an example of him. I think it all worked pretty well.

NO criminal that is willing to kill someone with the firearm he is carrying is concerned with being fined for illegal carry!! To all who think owning pistols or carrying them should be illegal should read that over and over! If MURDER is an option on the table, arrest for possessing a firearm is not a concern!

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Hilarious!Cool story Rambo!LOL

Cito Pelon
01-19-2010, 08:16 PM
What's everyone carry for their concealed weapon. I'm looking for something rather small (easily concealed), but still in the range of 9mm or .40cal.
I don't have a problem in the winter, it's easy to conceal under a jacket but in the spring and summer I need something smaller easy to conceal under light weight clothing. What kind of holsters do you prefer.

Yes I have a concealed weapons license but my license requires the weapon to be completely concealed.

Smith .38 Chief's Special.

broncosteven
01-19-2010, 08:18 PM
Anyone that wants to mess with me has to go through Gene first.

broncogary
01-19-2010, 08:49 PM
Anyone that wants to mess with me has to go through Gene first.

Yeah, but what's Gene packing? :wiggle:

broncosteven
01-19-2010, 08:54 PM
Yeah, but what's Gene packing? :wiggle:

A rocket in his pocket.

broncogary
01-19-2010, 08:56 PM
A rocket in his pocket.

Hey, I've got one of those. It's my special purpose. :rofl:

Kyle
01-19-2010, 09:10 PM
Hilarious!Cool story Rambo!LOL

Yeah it is. And different attire allows different carry. If a larger frame is concealable then I would prefer to carry it. If a larger frame is not concealable, then carry a smaller one. I own multiple and enjoy that I can carry them. The ideal situation is for a weapon to be intimidating so firing it is not required. A tiny framed .22 or similar is a fine carry, but does not do much in the way of intimidation some times.

Cito Pelon
01-19-2010, 09:27 PM
Part of CWP licensing is "don't you think you're gonna be John Wayne, we'll burn your ass bad if you think you're gonna be some vigilante dude."

Just take a look here:

http://www.dgso.org/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=107

TailgateNut
01-19-2010, 09:38 PM
Yeah it is. And different attire allows different carry. If a larger frame is concealable then I would prefer to carry it. If a larger frame is not concealable, then carry a smaller one. I own multiple and enjoy that I can carry them. The ideal situation is for a weapon to be intimidating so firing it is not required. A tiny framed .22 or similar is a fine carry, but does not do much in the way of intimidation some times.

What a "flaming" idiot!

Cito Pelon
01-19-2010, 09:48 PM
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd342/w153r/reverse-gun.jpg

I wonder how many men would carry weapons if they never saw an action movie.

Learn to disarm and kick the **** out of someone. That way, nobody dies.

I'm a good fist-fighter, but I always carry a knife and once in a while carry a pistol. Depends on where I'm going. I go into some bad neighborhoods sometimes, and I'm not gonna be outgunned, so to speak.

HAT
01-19-2010, 09:58 PM
http://www.defensereview.com/stories/aa-12/U.S.%20Marine%20Firing%20AA-12%20Full-Auto%20Shotgun%20%28AA12%20Machine%20Shotgun%29.jp g

Pony Boy
01-19-2010, 10:00 PM
Smith .38 Chief's Special.

I do have a 38 SW Chief's Special and it's always been one of my weapons of choice for easy concealment. My wife loves it and it fits nicely in her purse. I'm really starting to lean toward the Glock 36 45acp that looks sweet.... I have a Glock 26 but it's just a little bulky.

Cito Pelon
01-19-2010, 10:10 PM
I do have a 38 SW Chief's Special and it's always been one of my weapons of choice for easy concealment. My wife loves it and it fits nicely in her purse. I'm really starting to lean toward the Glock 36 45acp that looks sweet.... I have a Glock 26 but it's just a little bulky.

I'm not a big fan of autos. I like the revolvers because they double as brass knucks, and I'd sure use a pistol as brass knucks before I'd shoot someone.

Pony Boy
01-19-2010, 10:24 PM
I'm not a big fan of autos. I like the revolvers because they double as brass knucks, and I'd sure use a pistol as brass knucks before I'd shoot someone.

I was in Mexico (Cabo) a few years ago and bought a couple of sets of brass knuckles, not the cheap kind but the real ones that are sized to fit. They are beautiful, didn't need them but just wanted them to collect. I put them in my golf bag for the return trip, no problem. A guy could do some serious damage with one on each hand, mine will probably never leave the gun safe.

TDmvp
01-19-2010, 10:29 PM
PIC

Hat wins this round LOL ...

scttgrd
01-19-2010, 10:42 PM
I used to live in downtown Batimore, on Fayette near North Ave. Basically the worst place you can imagine a city being. Made the Wire look like a soap opera. I never needed a weapon, common sense and knowing where you are and keeeping your head up works wonders. Going through life scared to death is no way to live.

c_lazy_r
01-20-2010, 02:13 PM
Better to have a gun and not need it than to need one and not have it.

Ironlung
01-20-2010, 02:54 PM
This

Killericon
01-20-2010, 03:23 PM
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z214/illwayz313/hugegun.jpg

C130Herkload
01-20-2010, 04:38 PM
I dont carry a weapon....my weapon carries me.


http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/12/11/633646244405856943-ac130.jpg

http://www.herkybirds.com/gallery/files/2/2/8/89-0509_a.jpg

Boobs McGee
01-20-2010, 05:25 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Winchester_Model_12_Shotgun._1785.jpg

MEH

Is that a remington model 12?

looks EXACTLY like the one my Dad passed down to me from his dad...VERY cool gun!

as far as the poster asking about stories.

My mom was living in Atlanta 3 years ago, and was robbed at a piggly wiggly (I think? kind of a 7-11 for the south?). Apparently, they have a make my day law (similar to ours from what I understand), so she ended up purchasing a gun which she kept in her car(extension of your home, etc etc). She went with a glock 26. We've been hunters/shooters since I was a little kid, but even so, she went through some pretty extensive training with the new pistol, got her ccw and everything. Anywho, about 3 months afterwards, another robbery attempt happened at a gas station down the street from her house. Guy came up, tried breaking her window, she pulled out the gun and let him know that she would use it. He took off. It freaks me out to think of what COULD have happened, but didn't.

So, guns "possibly" saved my mom's life.

Bronx33
01-20-2010, 05:40 PM
A very average 8 inch gun which is always loaded.

Meck77
01-21-2010, 11:06 PM
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BroncosSR
01-22-2010, 02:21 PM
Related to this thread so I thought I'd bring it up...

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/Old_City_Shooting_01_17_10

I believe this shooting is completely justified...

Florida_Bronco
01-22-2010, 02:48 PM
Related to this thread so I thought I'd bring it up...

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/Old_City_Shooting_01_17_10

I believe this shooting is completely justified...

Looks that way to me too. I'd be very surprised if the charges aren't dropped very quickly.

Hogan11
01-22-2010, 02:53 PM
I used to have a 9Mm Browning, but I hardly ever shot it and it just collected dust.

Having no need for it, I pawned it in NC before all the restrictions came down about 20 years or so ago.

loborugger
01-22-2010, 04:26 PM
Anybody got a story about how having a concealed weapons saved their ass?

My friend was sitting on a freeway in San Francisco when the Rodney King riots began there. He was on the way to the airport to pick up a friend. Traffic came to an utter stop and he wasnt sure why. Suddenly, a crowd came up on the roadway. My friend, sitting in his old Buick Riv (it was old at the time, now its ancient), had on his cowboy hat. One of the roiters saw him, pointed out the car, and began to approach the vehicle with a large brick. My friend pulled the .45 out that he had stashed in the center console and waved it. They moved on to molest someone else.

So, it wasnt my ass, but a good personal friend.

DarkHorse
01-22-2010, 07:17 PM
I carry a Glock 19 loaded with Hornady Critical Defense hollowpoints tucked inside a Bianchi 82 holster.
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab84/darkhorse_42/DSC_0117.jpg?t=1264212913

My wife carries a Bersa Thunder CC .380 loaded with Hornady Critical Defense hollow points inside an Uncle Mikes Sidekick pocket holster.

http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab84/darkhorse_42/DSC_0116.jpg?t=1264213030

strafen
01-22-2010, 07:31 PM
.40 Glock 23C

That's a good gun. I'm a fan of Glocks
I don't own any gun at the moment. I used to have a S&W 44 magnum revolver. That thing was a beast!
May be this year I get myself a Glock 22C or a 17 .40

Ironlung
01-23-2010, 11:30 AM
I dont carry a weapon....my weapon carries me.


http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/12/11/633646244405856943-ac130.jpg

http://www.herkybirds.com/gallery/files/2/2/8/89-0509_a.jpg

:notworthy

Merlin
01-23-2010, 12:55 PM
No but I've emergently operated on a guy who was fended off by a CCW permit holder. Safe to say he picked the wrong target.

/cool story, bro
Are you aware of the stats for people getting shot by their own/family weapon? How about the fact that the best predictor for suicide is "Is there a gun in the house?". It may be a cool story, sadly I'm far more aware of stories of people getting killed/shot in their own house, with the family gun...by someone they know (either by accident or intentionally), not by an assailant. That being said, I don't live in some of the crime ridden areas of the US where terrible violence is a common occurrence.

However, they answer surely is not in arming most (or a large portion) civilians. All you have to do is look North of the border and compare their stats.

Merlin
01-23-2010, 01:02 PM
I was in Mexico (Cabo) a few years ago and bought a couple of sets of brass knuckles...[they] will probably never leave the gun safe.
But your guns will...it's a little ironic don't you think?

Merlin
01-23-2010, 01:13 PM
Looks that way to me too. I'd be very surprised if the charges aren't dropped very quickly.
You should be. Depending on the law, you don't get to shoot someone just because someone is coming at you. In some places, the use of deadly force can only be justified if it is clear that your life was in danger. I have no idea what the law is in Pennsylvania.

cutthemdown
01-23-2010, 01:31 PM
I used to live in downtown Batimore, on Fayette near North Ave. Basically the worst place you can imagine a city being. Made the Wire look like a soap opera. I never needed a weapon, common sense and knowing where you are and keeeping your head up works wonders. Going through life scared to death is no way to live.

I think having some basic firearms in your home a good idea. You never know if a natural disaster will leave you unprotected. I've seen riots close up after Rodney King verdict. I agree though carrying one around unless you are a trained professional law enforcement, security seems risky. Just seems to me I would be more likely to walk down that alley with home shady dudes in it if I had my firearm with me.

I totally agree though that awareness if the biggest key to protecting yourself.

Florida_Bronco
01-23-2010, 02:00 PM
You should be. Depending on the law, you don't get to shoot someone just because someone is coming at you. In some places, the use of deadly force can only be justified if it is clear that your life was in danger. Umm yeah, I'm very well aware of how self defense and justifiable homicide work.

I have no idea what the law is in Pennsylvania.Google is your friend.

Merlin
01-23-2010, 06:26 PM
Umm yeah, I'm very well aware of how self defense and justifiable homicide work.

Google is your friend.
Why should I? I practice corporate law, not criminal. But I find it interesting how you frequently seem to be certain about criminal law despite your general lack of training in law.

Florida_Bronco
01-23-2010, 07:00 PM
Why should I? I practice corporate law, not criminal. Oh I don't know, because you saw fit to bring it up? Why not spend the whopping 5 seconds to Google it.

But I find it interesting how you frequently seem to be certain about criminal law despite your general lack of training in law.

Like I said, Google is your friend.

NUB
01-23-2010, 07:00 PM
http://www.northamericanknives.com/files/1788248/uploaded/271.jpg

Merlin
01-23-2010, 07:50 PM
Oh I don't know, because you saw fit to bring it up?
As is often the case with you, you totally missed the point. My statement to you was "you should be", and this was in relation to your comment "I'd be very surprised if the charges aren't dropped very quickly". All I saw fit to comment on was that in some states, use of deadly force is less warranted than others as a means of self-defense. But now you want me to look up the Criminal Code for PA. Well, a quick look at provision 18 Pa. Cons. Stat. 507, suggests that use of deadly force to protect property in PA is not as accessible a defense as it is in some other states. Again, I don't practice Criminal Law, nor do I practice in PA. However, you seem very certain of the law, could you please indicate the provision you are referring to that gives you such certainty. And please, don't give me some reference to Google or Wiki, I would like to read the actual provision in the Criminal Code that clearly supports your claim.

PS Google is your friend, but it better not be your source for education on the law.

Punisher
01-23-2010, 07:53 PM
I carry one of these:

http://makeupfx.borec.cz/Savini/Savini.sex.jpg

Yes LMAO

Florida_Bronco
01-23-2010, 08:13 PM
As is often the case with you, you totally missed the point. My statement to you was "you should be", and this was in relation to your comment "I'd be very surprised if the charges aren't dropped very quickly". You'll have to make yourself more clear then. It sure sounded like you disagreeing with me.

All I saw fit to comment on was that in some states, use of deadly force is less warranted than others as a means of self-defense. Again, I'm well aware of the fact that laws vary from state to state, but thanks for clarifying.

But now you want me to look up the Criminal Code for PA. Well, a quick look at provision 18 Pa. Cons. Stat. 507, suggests that use of deadly force to protect property in PA is not as accessible a defense as it is in some other states. Why are you bringing up the defense of property? ???

Again, I don't practice Criminal Law, nor do I practice in PA. However, you seem very certain of the law, could you please indicate the provision you are referring to that gives you such certainty. And please, don't give me some reference to Google or Wiki, I would like to read the actual provision in the Criminal Code that clearly supports your claim.

PS Google is your friend, but it better not be your source for education on the law.

http://www.acslpa.org/pa_uniform_firearms_act.htm

Pontius Pirate
01-23-2010, 08:21 PM
Frankly, guns are for fags and Travis Bickle.

McDman
01-23-2010, 09:19 PM
http://www.czub.cz/upload/cz-big/CZ_75_BD_POLICE.png
Mine is a CZ 75 BD police issue. It's a police gun in the Czech Republic. I won't carry it because only trouble comes from that, but I do feel safer with it in my home.

McDman
01-23-2010, 09:28 PM
Hilarious!Cool story Rambo!LOL

So you defy anyone to give an answer about how someone has actually used their concealed weapon and when they do you make fun of them?

I'd say your credibility in this argument is shot. He gave a legit answer and you mocked him, you're a fool.

Pony Boy
01-23-2010, 09:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pony Boy
I was in Mexico (Cabo) a few years ago and bought a couple of sets of brass knuckles...[they] will probably never leave the gun safe.

But your guns will...it's a little ironic don't you think?

No not at all, the rifles and shotguns are used legally to hunt with and I have a concealed weapon permit to carry my hand gun...... The brass knuckles are illegal to carry in the states so will not leave my gun safe.

nadwiggins
01-24-2010, 04:10 AM
http://www.thunderboltguns.com/images/uploads/IMG_0264.jpg

Wow don't know if you did this on purpose but you have a gun pointed at D. Williams your avitar.

JCMElway
01-24-2010, 08:34 AM
Just what I got in my pants, and it's fully loaded!

Pony Boy
01-24-2010, 08:48 AM
Just what I got in my pants, and it's fully loaded!

So,you've fully loaded your pants, I don't think I would of shared that here ........

Merlin
01-24-2010, 09:34 AM
I disagree with your quick assumption.
Why are you bringing up the defense of property?
Because that is usually a case where you can get a sense of the State's legal "treatment" of use of deadly force. PA does not follow the Castle doctrine, which would lead me to believe (perhaps wrongly), they that are stricter than other states on the use of deadly force (defense of property is an important concern in law).

As to the Act you pointed me to, it does not seem to justify the use of deadly force in the discussed context. If you look at Title 18, 505(b), the limitations arguably apply in this case (assuming this is the applicable provision).
There may be another Act that does justify it, but as I said, I'm not familiar with the Criminal Code PA. In the future it might do you well to also not assume you are aware of the law when you have virtually no legal training and don't appear to know the Statute (at least that appears to be the case since you have not been able to give me proper guidance to the correct provision you are alluding to).

Merlin
01-24-2010, 09:38 AM
The brass knuckles are illegal to carry in the states so will not leave my gun safe.
I see your point, thanks. Then the irony is in the law I guess.

Pony Boy
01-24-2010, 10:05 AM
I see your point, thanks. Then the irony is in the law I guess.

Now there is some irony here, I can have a set of brass knuckles on my desk and use them as a paper weight but if I conceal them in my pocket it's a felony. If I place my handgun on my desk for a paper weight it's a felony but I can conceal it in my pocket and it's legal......

azbroncfan
01-24-2010, 10:05 AM
Looks that way to me too. I'd be very surprised if the charges aren't dropped very quickly.

Is a Virginia CC permit valid in PA? I'll bet that guy does some jail time for it. It is very rare to shoot someone especially in a liberal city like Philly and not do some form of time.

TailgateNut
01-25-2010, 08:44 AM
So you defy anyone to give an answer about how someone has actually used their concealed weapon and when they do you make fun of them?

I'd say your credibility in this argument is shot. He gave a legit answer and you mocked him, you're a fool.

Give me a break asswipe. 007 came in here with his supercool story and I responded with a "sure Mr cool" response. If you don't like that, get a room and blow him and don't blow hot air in my direction.

McDman
01-25-2010, 08:46 AM
Give me a break asswipe. 007 came in here with his supercool story and I responded with a "sure Mr cool" response. If you don't like that, get a room and blow him and don't blow hot air in my direction.

You make it clear you can't argue with a fool.

broncofan7
01-25-2010, 08:49 AM
Concealed weapon???

My f-ing bad attitude, and it isn't concealed.

neither is your DRAGON BREATH from what I hear...........:welcome:

DarkHorse
01-25-2010, 08:53 AM
I love reading the anti gun dribble from sheeple out there. Hilarious stuff.

broncofan7
01-25-2010, 09:35 AM
Why should I? I practice corporate law, not criminal. But I find it interesting how you frequently seem to be certain about criminal law despite your general lack of training in law.

Paul Blart is at it again LOL! Good job calling him on his BS........

Pony Boy
01-25-2010, 10:24 AM
I love reading the anti gun dribble from sheeple out there. Hilarious stuff.

Agreed, the question was aimed (pardon the pun) at people who carry concealed weapons and asked what they prefer and what type of holster they use....... a very simple question.... The funny part is all the left wing wusses that get their panties in a wad over it....

bronclvr
01-25-2010, 10:47 AM
Agreed, the question was aimed (pardon the pun) at people who carry concealed weapons and asked what they prefer and what type of holster they use....... a very simple question.... The funny part is all the left wing wusses that get their panties in a wad over it....

Agreed-not only do I carry (depending on the situation), I collect Guns (mostly old ones)-if you know what you are doing they are great Investments. Guns can be a great Hobby (along with Hunting)-I don't see why people get so wound up about responsible Gun Owners-

Pony Boy
01-25-2010, 10:59 AM
Agreed-not only do I carry (depending on the situation), I collect Guns (mostly old ones)-if you know what you are doing they are great Investments. Guns can be a great Hobby (along with Hunting)-I don't see why people get so wound up about responsible Gun Owners-

You can't go wrong investing in gold and quality firearms. I have a modest collection of pre-64 Wincherster rifles that are as high dollar items at the gun shows..... The problem is I don't want to part with them.......

DarkHorse
01-25-2010, 11:24 AM
1st got I received as a Christmas present in '85, I was 12. A Winchester Model 185T bolt action .410 - I still have this and my daughter loves shooting this thing.

Shooting can be a very fun and family oriented hobby, and it's a whole lot cheaper than my drag racing hobby.

TailgateNut
01-25-2010, 11:53 AM
1st got I received as a Christmas present in '85, I was 12. A Winchester Model 185T bolt action .410 - I still have this and my daughter loves shooting this thing.

Shooting can be a very fun and family oriented hobby, and it's a whole lot cheaper than my drag racing hobby.


Hilarious!

Dukes
01-25-2010, 11:59 AM
Hilarious!

What's so funny? Find a peice of candy in your pocket?

bronclvr
01-25-2010, 11:59 AM
Hilarious!

You're just Fishin' now-

TailgateNut
01-25-2010, 12:02 PM
You're just Fishin' now-

I wish I were fishin'. I'm sure some of the fools on this thread would make great chum.

Cito Pelon
01-25-2010, 12:22 PM
You can't go wrong investing in gold and quality firearms. I have a modest collection of pre-64 Wincherster rifles that are as high dollar items at the gun shows..... The problem is I don't want to part with them.......

I have a Winchester Model 88 lever-action .308, ser # 174535A. Just curious, what value would you put on it?

According to this site:

http://www.wisnersinc.com/additional_info/winchesterl_88_100.htm

it could be a 1965. basketweave on the stock, oakleaves and acorns on the front & rear of the stock, 22 inch barrel.

I don't want to part with it either. Very accurate rifle, some rifles got it and some don't, this one has it.

Pontius Pirate
01-25-2010, 12:31 PM
http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/14000/NRA-Baby-Bottle--14085.jpg

DarkHorse
01-25-2010, 12:33 PM
I wish I were fishin'. I'm sure some of the fools on this thread would make great chum.


You don't agree with firearm education? Just ban them all together, only cops n robbers should have guns right?

DarkHorse
01-25-2010, 12:36 PM
http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/14000/NRA-Baby-Bottle--14085.jpg


Glock frame so at least we know it will work :thumbsup:


I may sell one of my guns to buy a bible. That way I can pray when the SHTF and hope something hears me and magically makes the cops (w/guns) get to my family faster to prevent anything from happening to them.

TailgateNut
01-25-2010, 12:46 PM
You don't agree with firearm education? Just ban them all together, only cops n robbers should have guns right?



What do comments like these: "Shooting can be a very fun and family oriented hobby" have to do with firearm education?

Come on Ma bring the little ones, were a headin out to shoot up a few varmin fer dinner. YeHaw!:spit:

I am all for the right to own firearms (for hunting and home protection purposes), I just think it's a ****ing joke that so many ordinary people are so damn afraid of their shadow that they feel the need exists for them to walk amongst the multitudes locked and loaded.

TailgateNut
01-25-2010, 12:51 PM
Glock frame so at least we know it will work :thumbsup:


I may sell one of my guns to buy a bible. That way I can pray when the SHTF and hope something hears me and magically makes the cops (w/guns) get to my family faster to prevent anything from happening to them.

Maybe you should stop taking your family to dinner in the hood. Sell one of your multitude of weapons and step up to better surroundings and you wont have to worry about the safety of your loved ones!:wiggle:

DarkHorse
01-25-2010, 01:02 PM
What do comments like these: "Shooting can be a very fun and family oriented hobby" have to do with firearm education?

Come on Ma bring the little ones, were a headin out to shoot up a few varmin fer dinner. YeHaw!:spit:

I am all for the right to own firearms (for hunting and home protection purposes), I just think it's a ****ing joke that so many ordinary people are so damn afraid of their shadow that they feel the need exists for them to walk amongst the multitudes locked and loaded.


LOL - yeah only a ****ing idiot like yourself would hand over a firearm to a person that hasn't been taught at least the basics of firearms safety.

Yeah sucks for those of us that aren't fortunate enough to live in gated pussy communities. We're stuck here in average old US of A where the police are all too tied up to respond and the criminals are more than just corner store shop lifters.

DarkHorse
01-25-2010, 01:04 PM
Maybe you should stop taking your family to dinner in the hood. Sell one of your multitude of weapons and step up to better surroundings and you wont have to worry about the safety of your loved ones!:wiggle:

I have a safe neighborhood, now if we only lived in your kingdom I wouldn't have to venture outside of my neighborhood to get shopping done.


get off the horse and check us out sometime.

Dagmar
01-25-2010, 01:09 PM
http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/canada/52188d1257209516-things-americans-should-know-before-moving-1_the_right_to_bear_arms.jpg

TailgateNut
01-25-2010, 01:12 PM
I have a safe neighborhood, now if we only lived in your kingdom I wouldn't have to venture outside of my neighborhood to get shopping done.


get off the horse and check us out sometime.

FYI, I don't live in a gated community, I don't ride a "high horse", but I'm also not afraid of my ****ing shadow as you apparantly are. I'm also not stupid enough to give one of my guns to someone who doesn't know about gun use and safety. On the other hand I don't see Shootin' as a Nice Family Activity:spit:.


SideNote: the Hattfield and McCoys fought for years because of their lack of gray matter and over-abundance of pride.ROFL!

Get along little doggie!:wiggle:

c_lazy_r
01-25-2010, 01:13 PM
What do comments like these: "Shooting can be a very fun and family oriented hobby" have to do with firearm education?

Come on Ma bring the little ones, were a headin out to shoot up a few varmin fer dinner. YeHaw!:spit:

I am all for the right to own firearms (for hunting and home protection purposes), I just think it's a ****ing joke that so many ordinary people are so damn afraid of their shadow that they feel the need exists for them to walk amongst the multitudes locked and loaded.


I just hope that the criminals follow your rules and only threaten you or your family when you're at home and thus armed?

TailgateNut
01-25-2010, 01:18 PM
I just hope that the criminals follow your rules and only threaten you or your family when you're at home and thus armed?


Riddle me this Redneck:

You and your family are "out and about" when a gun wielding criminal approaches you and demands your wallet. Are you going to attempt to pull you pistola from the confines of your jacket and risk having your wife or daughter shot or will you give up your wallet?

Who's the dumbass?

Pontius Pirate
01-25-2010, 01:19 PM
In a first-of its-kind study, epidemiologists at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine found that, on average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. The study estimated that people with a gun were 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not possessing a gun.
The study was released online this month in the American Journal of Public Health, in advance of print publication in November 2009.

“This study helps resolve the long-standing debate about whether guns are protective or perilous,” notes study author Charles C. Branas, PhD, Associate Professor of Epidemiology. “Will possessing a firearm always safeguard against harm or will it promote a false sense of security?”

What Penn researchers found was alarming – almost five Philadelphians were shot every day over the course of the study and about 1 of these 5 people died. The research team concluded that, although successful defensive gun uses are possible and do occur each year, the chances of success are low. People should rethink their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures, write the authors. Suggestions to the contrary, especially for urban residents who may see gun possession as a defense against a dangerousenvironment should be discussed and thoughtfully reconsidered.

c_lazy_r
01-25-2010, 01:29 PM
"An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity."

Pontius Pirate
01-25-2010, 01:35 PM
"An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity."

Too bad that quote is not true, otherwise it would be a doozy

Rohirrim
01-25-2010, 01:42 PM
Come on! Draw! You lily livered horn-swaggling dog rustler!

c_lazy_r
01-25-2010, 01:43 PM
Riddle me this Redneck:

You and your family are "out and about" when a gun wielding criminal approaches you and demands your wallet. Are you going to attempt to pull you pistola from the confines of your jacket and risk having your wife or daughter shot or will you give up your wallet?

Who's the dumbass?

Answer me this ass hole:

What would your unarmed ass do if after you turned over your wallet, the "gun wielding criminal" decided he was gonna take your wife and daughter for a little ride?

At least I would have a chance to protect mine.

c_lazy_r
01-25-2010, 01:45 PM
Too bad that quote is not true, otherwise it would be a doozy

Not true? Can you elaborate on that for me?

Pontius Pirate
01-25-2010, 01:47 PM
Not true? Can you elaborate on that for me?

Read post above - people who are armed are 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than people who were unarmed.

Pony Boy
01-25-2010, 01:51 PM
I have a Winchester Model 88 lever-action .308, ser # 174535A. Just curious, what value would you put on it?.

In the Model 88 anything under #148859 was pre-64. Your's would be post 64 and would be between $350. and $450.
I have a pre-64 model 88 lever action in a .358 Win. Very rare, a 358 Win is a 308 cartridge necked out to .35. (non magnum) but a great brush gun.

TailgateNut
01-25-2010, 01:53 PM
Answer me this a-hole:

What would your unarmed ass do if after you turned over your wallet, the "gun wielding criminal" decided he was gonna take your wife and daughter for a little ride?

At least I would have a chance to protect mine.


So, when the Perp has a gun to your wifes' head. you'ld be a man and risk having her shot by playing rambo and reaching in your pocket for your pistola.

Real brave of you!

Good grief. Some people are just bred stupid and watch way to many movies.

TailgateNut
01-25-2010, 01:55 PM
Come on! Draw! You lily livered horn-swaggling dog rustler!

Too many "quick draw McGraw" type in the world. Hilarious!

c_lazy_r
01-25-2010, 01:55 PM
Read post above - people who are armed are 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than people who were unarmed.

You and I both know that this issue can be argued with numbers, studies, etc. from both sides.

We'll never change each others minds so why bother.

Rohirrim
01-25-2010, 01:55 PM
Too many "quick draw McGraw" type in the world. Hilarious!

Dagnabit!

c_lazy_r
01-25-2010, 02:00 PM
So, when the Perp has a gun to your wifes' head. you'ld be a man and risk having her shot by playing rambo and reaching in your pocket for your pistola.

Real brave of you!

Good grief. Some people are just bred stupid and watch way to many movies.


You're the one that suddenly has the guy with a gun to my wifes head and you tell me I watch too many movies???

Try arguing your point instead of resorting to namecalling and ignorant make-believe bull****.

You're a loudmouth douche. That's all.

Pontius Pirate
01-25-2010, 02:01 PM
You and I both know that this issue can be argued with numbers, studies, etc. from both sides.

We'll never change each others minds so why bother.

Ummmm....right.

BroncosSR
01-25-2010, 02:25 PM
Is a Virginia CC permit valid in PA? I'll bet that guy does some jail time for it. It is very rare to shoot someone especially in a liberal city like Philly and not do some form of time.

PA does have reciprocity with VA. They police did charge the gunman with illegal possession of a firearm and I'm assuming it will be later dropped.

My belief is that the charges (attempted murder, illegal possession of a firearm) were pressed against the gunman rather quickly because of who he shot, less the nature of the crime. The kid that was shot belongs to a very wealthy, well-connected political family in Philly. His family has even hired a PR firm. They went as far as saying the guy took the bullet for his friends which if you see the video, is far from the truth. He's the captain of the Villanova lacrosse team. In fact, this kid wouldn't be in a hospital bed right now if he hadn't tried to attack the gunman. If he simply walks away, none of this happens. But no, he's got to act like a big tough guy by bullying others.

I believe the gunman is innocent and hope to see him cleared of all charges. He reacted to being physically attacked (his girlfriend was also physically attacked). He didn't shoot until after he was backing away when the gunshot victim lunged at him and began punching him. At that point, he emptied 5 bullets into the attacker.

Less than 4 months ago, somebody was beaten to death by somebody else in the Phillies game with strictly fist punches. It happens all the time. He felt his life was threatened (and that of his girlfriend) when shots were fired. Plain and simple. The gunshot victim did this to himself. While I hope he recovers fully, he's completely at fault here in my opinion.

TailgateNut
01-25-2010, 02:25 PM
You're the one that suddenly has the guy with a gun to my wifes head and you tell me I watch too many movies???

Try arguing your point instead of resorting to namecalling and ignorant make-believe bull****.

You're a loudmouth douche. That's all.


I'm just trying to play along with yer' little wild wild west scenario. The guy has taken your wallet and now that he wants yer' wife, watch ya gonna do. Risk her life by trying to pull your gun out of the confines of its' cozy holster when he already has his aimed at you and yer' family?
Huh???

Think quick, Mr Quick draw!

Bang!

Somebody is dead 'cause of yer' bad ass pistola carryin' ass.:rofl:

What dumb****s like you don't seem to get is that when these types of things happen you don't have time to react like you envision in your perfect world. When people attack you they generally don't give you fair warning like the "high noon" scenarios in the movies and you wont have the luxury of pulling your shiny little gun out of it's hiding place and using it, nor can you pull it out every time someone SCARY approaches you. Hence the comedy and error in your line of thinking.

BroncosSR
01-25-2010, 02:32 PM
I'm just trying to play along with yer' little wild wild west scenario. The guy has taken your wallet and now that he wants yer' wife, watch ya gonna do. Risk her life by trying to pull your gun out of the confines of its' cozy holster when he already has his aimed at you and yer' family?
Huh???

Think quick, Mr Quick draw!

Bang!

Somebody is dead 'cause of yer' bad ass pistola carryin' ass.:rofl:

What dumb****s like you don't seem to get is that when these types of things happen you don't have time to react like you envision in your perfect world. When people attack you they generally don't give you fair warning like the "high noon" scenarios in the movies and you wont have the luxury of pulling your shiny little gun out of it's hiding place and using it, nor can you pull it out every time someone SCARY approaches you. Hence the comedy and error in your line of thinking.

You're creating a scenario that is only beneficial to your argument. It doesn't always happen the way you describe. Short of a professional, people make mistakes, even potential robbers, criminals. If they turn their back while taking your wife, you take advantage of it. What recourse would you have if not for a concealed weapon? You'd have to let the criminal take your wife. What if that's the last time you see her? It's really about critical thinking. It's about making the best decision for self preservation of yourself and ones you love. I'd be willing to bet you'd change your tune real fast if something scary happend to someone you love and you'd could have stopped it IF you'd have the necessary weapon available at that time...

Pontius Pirate
01-25-2010, 02:33 PM
http://doubledeckerbuses.org/blog/media/fairringtonljlkh.JPG

Cito Pelon
01-25-2010, 02:34 PM
In the Model 88 anything under #148859 was pre-64. Your's would be post 64 and would be between $350. and $450.
I have a pre-64 model 88 lever action in a .358 Win. Very rare, a 358 Win is a 308 cartridge necked out to .35. (non magnum) but a great brush gun.

Yah, I bet that .358 lever action is very rare, most in collectors hands no doubt. The Winchester lever actions are in great demand, even this one I have.

I've had many an offer in the $400-$500 range, and it's not pristine, a chip at the end of the barrel. I like the technology of it, the bolt twists at the end of its forward travel to lock the cartridge in like a bolt-action rifle. The Model 88 is kind of unique.

c_lazy_r
01-25-2010, 02:37 PM
I'm just trying to play along with yer' little wild wild west scenario. The guy has taken your wallet and now that he wants yer' wife, watch ya gonna do. Risk her life by trying to pull your gun out of the confines of its' cozy holster when he already has his aimed at you and yer' family?
Huh???

Think quick, Mr Quick draw!

Bang!

Somebody is dead 'cause of yer' bad ass pistola carryin' ass.:rofl:

What dumb****s like you don't seem to get is that when these types of things happen you don't have time to react like you envision in your perfect world. When people attack you they generally don't give you fair warning like the "high noon" scenarios in the movies and you wont have the luxury of pulling your shiny little gun out of it's hiding place and using it, nor can you pull it out every time someone SCARY approaches you. Hence the comedy and error in your line of thinking.

MY wild west scenario??? WTF are you talking about?

You started the whole imaginary world bull**** and now I'm envisioning scenarios??? My perfect world???

Nevermind....It's a waste of time even trying to have a rational conversation with you.

TailgateNut
01-25-2010, 02:40 PM
You're creating a scenario that is only beneficial to your argument. It doesn't always happen the way you describe. Short of a professional, people make mistakes, even potential robbers, criminals. If they turn their back while taking your wife, you take advantage of it. What recourse would you have if not for a concealed weapon? You'd have to let the criminal take your wife. What if that's the last time you see her? It's really about critical thinking. It's about making the best decision for self preservation of yourself and ones you love. I'd be willing to bet you'd change your tune real fast if something scary happend to someone you love and you'd could have stopped it IF you'd have the necessary weapon available at that time...


......and if you do have that weapon and you don't get it in time and cause your loved one to end up 6 foot underground because of your valiant attempt at heroism, how do you feel then....

See, it works both ways...

If I were a robber and am just looking for a quick buck, I'm not going to shoot anyone unless they attempt to foil my cash grab, but if they were to pull a weapon on me I would be more likely to take a life to save my own.

TailgateNut
01-25-2010, 02:43 PM
MY wild west scenario??? WTF are you talking about?

You started the whole imaginary world bull**** and now I'm envisioning scenarios??? My perfect world???

Nevermind....It's a waste of time even trying to have a rational conversation with you.

Rational??? I'm not the one walking around with a gun hidden in my bloomers!

jhns
01-25-2010, 02:47 PM
If I were a robber and am just looking for a quick buck, I'm not going to shoot anyone unless they attempt to foil my cash grab, but if they were to pull a weapon on me I would be more likely to take a life to save my own.

LOL

Now that is some funny stuff. So let me see if I have this correct.

1) A robber comes and has a gun pointed at your wife.

2) You pull a gun on the robber.

From there, as the robber, you think you are saving your life by shooting the wife? I would think that would put your life in a lot more danger. Maybe that's just me though. So is this rationalized by thinking every gun owner hates their wife?

Pontius Pirate
01-25-2010, 02:58 PM
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/11/23/129034935107251386.png

DarkHorse
01-25-2010, 02:59 PM
Riddle me this Redneck:

You and your family are "out and about" when a gun wielding criminal approaches you and demands your wallet. Are you going to attempt to pull you pistola from the confines of your jacket and risk having your wife or daughter shot or will you give up your wallet?

Who's the dumbass?

Ironically, you are. Because you have the "quick call 911 so we can be saved" mentality.

Good luck with that - what's the average response time for police?


When seconds count, don't worry the police are only minutes away.

Hopefully no criminals find the magic code to your gated palace with intent to kill you. I'd comment that you may be robbed but i'm already certain everything you've earned you have 2 of.

Good thing your car isn't cheap so it won't break down in a shady side of town - your queenie wife would probably piss her pants.

TailgateNut
01-25-2010, 03:30 PM
Ironically, you are. Because you have the "quick call 911 so we can be saved" mentality.

Good luck with that - what's the average response time for police?


When seconds count, don't worry the police are only minutes away.

Hopefully no criminals find the magic code to your gated palace with intent to kill you. I'd comment that you may be robbed but i'm already certain everything you've earned you have 2 of.

Good thing your car isn't cheap so it won't break down in a shady side of town - your queenie wife would probably piss her pants.

What's ironic is that you seem to think I'm an entitled silver spoon type, when in reality you are way off the mark.

I'm also the last to reach for the phone to call 911. I hate the ****ing cops. I think they are as useless as tits on a boar hog.
FYI, my house was buglarized several years ago and the cops did not find out who the culprit was. I led them to the MFer who happened to be the grandson (methhead)of one of my neighbors. I also had a few run ins with the boys in blue about me "stalking" the SOB when he was busy at nights making his living the "easy way". He is currently serving time in the big house for numerous burglaries in Adams,Denver and Jeffco.

So, you keep telling yourself little stories about how quaint my life is and how sissyfied I am. I'm a good friend who will give my friends everything, including the clothes off my back, but a vindictive SOB if you piss me off and will not rest until I feel "my" justice is served. If someone were to harm my family, they better hurry up and kill themselves, because I would spend the rest of my life hunting them down (This I guarantee).

As I said before, I have nothing against guns and gun ownership (I own several myself), but I think people get a false sense of security because they own one and think they can and would be able to protect themselves when the need arises.

Keep barking at the moon!

Pony Boy
01-25-2010, 03:35 PM
What's ironic is that you seem to think I'm an entitled silver spoon type, when in reality you are way off the mark.

I'm also the last to reach for the phone to call 911. I hate the ****ing cops. I think they are as useless as boobies on a boar hog.
FYI, my house was buglarized several years ago and the cops did not find out who the culprit was. I led them to the MFer who happened to be the grandson (methhead)of one of my neighbors. I also had a few run ins with the boys in blue about me "stalking" the SOB when he was busy at nights making his living the "easy way". He is currently serving time in the big house for numerous burglaries in Adams,Denver and Jeffco.

So, you keep telling yourself little stories about how quaint my life is and how sissyfied I am. I'm a good friend who will give my friends everything, including the clothes off my back, but a vindictive SOB if you piss me off and will not rest until I feel "my" justice is served. If someone were to harm my family, they better hurry up and kill themselves, because I would spend the rest of my life hunting them down (This I guarantee).

As I said before, I have nothing against guns and gun ownership (I own several myself), but I think people get a false sense of security because they own one and think they can and would be able to protect themselves when the need arises.

Keep barking at the moon!

So, I guess this means your not going to the Denver Gun show with us ........

bronclvr
01-25-2010, 03:59 PM
So, I guess this means your not going to the Denver Gun show with us ........

Which brings up another question-does everyone here register their Guns?

Tombstone RJ
01-25-2010, 04:15 PM
Which brings up another question-does everyone here register their Guns?

Law Enforcement wanted me to register my fists in Colorado because they are lethal when used with much fury.

I told them to get lost.

Now I live in Wyoming where I can walk around with my fists of fury out in the open, or I can conceal them in my pockets. When I walk around with my two fists of fury in my pockets, I'm reminded of that quote from The Big Lobowski: "It makes no difference to Jesus...."

Pony Boy
01-25-2010, 04:28 PM
Which brings up another question-does everyone here register their Guns?

If a person purchases a firearm from a private individual who is not a licensed dealer, the purchaser is not required in most states to complete a Form 4473, though some states force individual sellers to sell through dealers. If you purchase from a dealer you must fill out the form. To answer your question I'm not going to voluntarily fill out any registration on guns in my collection that I've had for several years and I'm not required to do so. I have pictures of all my guns with the serial numbers for insurance reasons and keep them in a safty deposit box.

bronclvr
01-25-2010, 04:40 PM
If a person purchases a firearm from a private individual who is not a licensed dealer, the purchaser is not required in most states to complete a Form 4473, though some states force individual sellers to sell through dealers. If you purchase from a dealer you must fill out the form. To answer your question I'm not going to voluntarily fill out any registration on guns in my collection that I've had for several years and I'm not required to do so. I have pictures of all my guns with the serial numbers for insurance reasons and keep them in a safty deposit box.

O.K. then, when you go to buy a gun does registration factor into it? In other words, if given the choice, do you buy one that is registered or not? Just curious-

Circle Orange
01-25-2010, 06:07 PM
10" Ice Pick and one collapsible mousetrap. Good for getting olives from jars and crowd control. 8')

Florida_Bronco
01-25-2010, 06:34 PM
Because that is usually a case where you can get a sense of the State's legal "treatment" of use of deadly force. Good point, I didn't think of that.

PA does not follow the Castle doctrine, which would lead me to believe (perhaps wrongly), they that are stricter than other states on the use of deadly force (defense of property is an important concern in law). Castle Doctrine usually (but not always) refers to the home. Are you thinking of the "Stand Your Ground" laws like what Florida passed a few years ago?

As to the Act you pointed me to, it does not seem to justify the use of deadly force in the discussed context. If you look at Title 18, 505(b), the limitations arguably apply in this case (assuming this is the applicable provision).

Here is the portion of the law that IMO covers him.

The use of deadly force is not justifiable under this section unless the actor believes that such force is necessary to protect himself against death, serious bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual intercourse compelled by force or threat; nor is it justifiable if:

(i) the actor, with the intent of causing death or serious bodily injury, provoked the use of force against himself in the same encounter; or

(ii) the actor knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety by retreating or by surrendering possession of a thing to a person asserting a claim of right thereto or by complying with a demand that he abstain from any action which he has no duty to take, except that:

Did the shooter have reasonable suspicion that he was about to suffer great bodily harm or death? Seeing as how he was well outnumbered, I'd say that's a reasonable assumption.

Did he retreat? Well the video clearly shows him walking away from the beginning altercation, so the answer there would appear to be yes. Could he have further retreated with completely safety? I'd say the answer to that would be no.

There may be another Act that does justify it, but as I said, I'm not familiar with the Criminal Code PA. In the future it might do you well to also not assume you are aware of the law when you have virtually no legal training and don't appear to know the Statute (at least that appears to be the case since you have not been able to give me proper guidance to the correct provision you are alluding to). Not sure what this is all about. The law I linked you to is the exact law that establishes justifiable self defense, especially with a firearm, in PA.

Is a Virginia CC permit valid in PA? I'll bet that guy does some jail time for it. It is very rare to shoot someone especially in a liberal city like Philly and not do some form of time.

According to this, yes, Pennsylvania and Virgina CCP's are reciprocal.

http://www.pafoa.org/law/carrying-firearms/concealed-carry/reciprocity

Pony Boy
01-25-2010, 08:35 PM
O.K. then, when you go to buy a gun does registration factor into it? In other words, if given the choice, do you buy one that is registered or not? Just curious-

It really doesn't matter to me, the registration doesn't go past the dealer. The dealer is required to keep the 4473 form in a bound book. If the Feds trace a firearm serial number to a dealer, he is required by law to give the information on the form to the Feds. If you buy from a private party you are not required to fill out anything, but for your own protection get information from the seller just in case you are buying a firearm that you find out later was stolen. Its a myth that registered guns are in some big government computer, and it would be impossible for the Feds to register all the firearms in the country. That would create enough jobs to drop unemployment to 5% for 20 years.