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Popps
01-17-2010, 07:41 PM
A. He's overachieving to even have his team in the position they were in today. That team isn't very good.

B. Too many fails in big games. He's their problem.





Go...

Dr. Broncenstein
01-17-2010, 07:43 PM
Yes.

Popps
01-17-2010, 07:44 PM
Oh, and does he keep the gig?

Bronco Boy
01-17-2010, 07:46 PM
Definitely B. They have a bunch of good players. I hope he stays on for awhile.

Gob
01-17-2010, 07:49 PM
I don't know, they were chokers under Marty and Norv. Maybe they just are chokers, period.

Popps
01-17-2010, 07:51 PM
I still think Marty was more the victim of some bad luck rather than being a bad coach.

But, it was fun being on the other side of it. :)

orinjkrush
01-17-2010, 07:52 PM
i thought norv was a FAIL when they signed him. he has surprised me by kicking our butts for a couple of years now. is he better than shottenheimer? hard to say. thank god shanny didn't go to SD.

RhymesayersDU
01-17-2010, 08:08 PM
i thought norv was a FAIL when they signed him. he has surprised me by kicking our butts for a couple of years now. is he better than shottenheimer? hard to say. thank god shanny didn't go to SD.

Agreed, Shanny would have raped with Rivers.


Anyways. Will he get canned... Well, I guess the question is, who could they get to coach? If they have an upgrade, they should take it.

I wonder if they could get Gruden to break the contract he just signed. I think he'd be good there. Really with the weapons that team has, they should be much better then they are. Any good coach should have rings with Rivers. You need a great QB and he is that.

TonyR
01-17-2010, 08:21 PM
This one's on Nate Kaeding as much, or more, than anyone or anything else. That and the Chargers inability to run the football, and the fact that their defense is good but not really much more than that, caught up with them. I don't put this on Norv.

Pony Boy
01-17-2010, 08:33 PM
This one's on Nate Kaeding as much, or more, than anyone or anything else. That and the Chargers inability to run the football, and the fact that their defense is good but not really much more than that, caught up with them. I don't put this on Norv.

I bet Kaeding is on a Jet to Vegas to pick up a suitcase full of cash, the bookies loved those botched kicks.

sixtimeseight
01-17-2010, 08:44 PM
Why would bookies love the botched kicks? Even if he made all three, the Chargers still wouldn't have covered the spread. And bookies don't have any vested interest in one team winning over the other, they want equal action on both sides so they make money either way.

RhymesayersDU
01-17-2010, 08:48 PM
Why would bookies love the botched kicks? Even if he made all three, the Chargers still wouldn't have covered the spread. And bookies don't have any vested interest in one team winning over the other, they want equal action on both sides so they make money either way.

While technically you're right, one thing I've heard said is that "America loves favorites," meaning even though they want action on both sides, the average Joe placing a bet is still more likely to bet with the favorite. So I could see the Jets winning as a good thing for the bookies.

Obviously they make money either way, but just a thought.

Pony Boy
01-17-2010, 08:50 PM
Why would bookies love the botched kicks? Even if he made all three, the Chargers still wouldn't have covered the spread. And bookies don't have any vested interest in one team winning over the other, they want equal action on both sides so they make money either way.

Ok Pete Rose ..... Thanks...

The Moops
01-17-2010, 08:52 PM
Love Norv as a person and as a coordinator . . . but as a head coach?

Not so much.

NFLBRONCO
01-17-2010, 08:59 PM
LT should hit the road as well he needs playoff viagra

Pony Boy
01-17-2010, 09:06 PM
LT should hit the road as well he needs playoff viagra

If Lt doesn't retire, I think he will get released, he's not worth the money...

HAT
01-17-2010, 09:15 PM
Why would bookies love the botched kicks? Even if he made all three, the Chargers still wouldn't have covered the spread. And bookies don't have any vested interest in one team winning over the other, they want equal action on both sides so they make money either way.

I guarantee you every book out there....From Vegas to off-shore to the guy on the corner....Is very, very happy with today's results.

Playoff games see a shxt load of teaser action. Joe public was ALL OVER teasing SD down to -1.5 and teasing the cowpokes up to +8.5.

Both of those teasers went through BOTH key numbers of 3 and 7 and the public LOVES those sort of Teasers....Especially on public teams like SD & Dallas.

Los Broncos
01-17-2010, 09:15 PM
They play good in the regular season and then come back to earth in the playoffs.

To much hype from the media all over their nuts.

Making them their Superbowl picks in the pre season.

SD fans want respect, were not getting attention, no one is paying attention to us.

How about win something and maybe someone or something will.

Broncoman13
01-17-2010, 09:23 PM
A. He's overachieving to even have his team in the position they were in today. That team isn't very good.

B. Too many fails in big games. He's their problem.





Go...

Dude, even Josh McDaniels could win with that team. Norv got conservative when it mattered. The offense wasn't the problem though. The defense hasn't been able to stop the run all year and that team played with poor discipline, something they've done pretty well this year. Couple that with a bunch of missed FGs from a pro-bowl kicker and "waa-laa" an epic defeat! I loved it though I have to admit, I would rather the Chargers go than the Colts. Can't stand the fact that the Colts pussied out and wouldn't accept the challenge to try and be the best of all time.

HAT
01-17-2010, 09:25 PM
Why would bookies love the botched kicks? Even if he made all three, the Chargers still wouldn't have covered the spread. And bookies don't have any vested interest in one team winning over the other, they want equal action on both sides so they make money either way.

Here is a string of posts from one of the biggest sports wagering forums out there....(It covers all aspects of the industry and everyone from touts to players to bookies post there)

most teasers are alive (from yesterday's games) as fish stated. Books need a viking blowout or jets on the field

how big? enough to affect the bottom line for the weekend?

teasers are close to half my business on days like this.....yes it is the bottom line i need to beat one of those

ya it was a slaughter......ill sleep like a baby

Bronco LB52
01-17-2010, 09:26 PM
Love Norv as a person and as a coordinator . . . but as a head coach?

Not so much.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

BowlenBall
01-17-2010, 09:32 PM
If I could have three wishes:

1) Norv Turner remains head coach of the Chargers for the next 20 years;

2) Al Davis lives to 100, and retains control of the Raiders;

and

3) Carl Peterson returns as GM of the Chiefs.

boltaneer
01-17-2010, 10:46 PM
This one's on Nate Kaeding as much, or more, than anyone or anything else. That and the Chargers inability to run the football, and the fact that their defense is good but not really much more than that, caught up with them. I don't put this on Norv.

Yep.

Aside from the Kaeding choke, the Jets just played better (especially on defense). I've made it known that I haven't been the biggest Norv fan, though he's won me over this season, but I don't put this loss at his feet.

I still think he deserves an extension.

boltaneer
01-17-2010, 10:48 PM
If I could have three wishes:

1) Norv Turner remains head coach of the Chargers for the next 20 years;

2) Al Davis lives to 100, and retains control of the Raiders;

and

3) Carl Peterson returns as GM of the Chiefs.

So, how's that worked out for Denver the past three years?

The Chargers should have won the game today but they've got some holes to fix on this team. That's AJ Smith's job this off season. Norv and his coaching staff did an excellent job to take this team as far as they could IMO.

bpc
01-17-2010, 11:02 PM
Man, I have cringed at the thought if SD ever wakes up and hires a good coach to put that roster over the hump. Thankfully going on 6 years, it has not happened! :) Fail on San Diego!

ZONA
01-18-2010, 12:30 AM
As I said in another post, it's always the same result with Norv. He loses a few games early and it looks like the team is falling apart, everybody in SD calling for his head, then his team wins a ton of games mid season and late to reach the playoffs and everybody falls in love with him all over again, until they fail to reach the Superbowl, then they all want his head again. This team was red hot going into the playoffs. It didn't mean much. It shows you just how truly special it is to get all the way to the Superbowl and win it. Many things have to go just right, during the season, during the playoffs and then during the Superbowl.

The Joker
01-18-2010, 04:47 AM
You can't ignore some of the good things he'd done there. I know the thing you want to do is just pile on the guy because he comes off as such a whiny little pansy who probably can't get it up... but he's certainly not the disaster of a head coach I once thought he was.

That passing attack is fierce, and Rivers has developed from a young game manager into a legit Top 5 QB in the league since Norv has landed there. His playcalling is excellent IMO, and bringing in Rivera was a very good move and his given the Chargers a defense that compliments their style of offense very well.

The saying, however, is that a team will often come to mirror their head coach, and this is true of the Chargers IMO. Penalties were absolutely huge for them yesterday, the Phillips and Jackson personal fouls were just ridiculous displays of stupidity and petulance. They had the same thing in their playoff loss to the Steelers last year I recall, over 100 yards of penalties against them in that game.

It's hard enough to win games in the playoffs, but when you're killing yourself with penalties like they have the last two years it's pretty much impossible. Chargers yap and complain too much when they should just be getting on with their job and beating people. This goes back to Norv, to be honest, he really doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who'll instill the kind of discipline and drive in his own team that's needed to go all the way.

I still think they gave up on Marty a year too soon. That playoff loss to New England was such a fluke, he needed another year to have a chance to set that right in my opinion.

Punisher
01-18-2010, 05:21 AM
lol Chargers keep on losing in Playoff games there like the AFC's Eagles

backup qb
01-18-2010, 05:32 AM
Norv is getting destroyed this morning on NFL radio and on Mad Dog radio. People are all over him for the onside kick, as was Simms during the game. With a timeout and the 2 min warning, why kick the onsides? Kick it deep and try and stop them. He is also getting killed for not going for it on 4th and 1 and settling for 48 yd fg. Lastly, Sproles only getting 6 touches(63 yds) is inexcusable. Those have been the biggest talking points so far on radio this morn.

azbroncfan
01-18-2010, 05:36 AM
I still think Marty was more the victim of some bad luck rather than being a bad coach.

But, it was fun being on the other side of it. :)

Yeah Marty caught some bad luck, on a side note his boy calls a game just like he does with run, run, run, run, pass, run, run, run, run, screen pass, etc. Jets are winning like Denver was early on with ugly close wins.

ol number 7
01-18-2010, 07:22 AM
Yeah Marty caught some bad luck, on a side note his boy calls a game just like he does with run, run, run, run, pass, run, run, run, run, screen pass, etc. Jets are winning like Denver was early on with ugly close wins.

Reminded me alot of the '97 loss to Jacksonville at Denver. Really think SD was looking past gang green and were packing for Indy.
Thanks "Sexy Rexy" for giving the Bolts and their fans a true Ric Flair low blow to their season. WOOO WOOO and WOOO.^5

Rohirrim
01-18-2010, 07:35 AM
You can't ignore some of the good things he'd done there. I know the thing you want to do is just pile on the guy because he comes off as such a whiny little pansy who probably can't get it up... but he's certainly not the disaster of a head coach I once thought he was.

That passing attack is fierce, and Rivers has developed from a young game manager into a legit Top 5 QB in the league since Norv has landed there. His playcalling is excellent IMO, and bringing in Rivera was a very good move and his given the Chargers a defense that compliments their style of offense very well.

The saying, however, is that a team will often come to mirror their head coach, and this is true of the Chargers IMO. Penalties were absolutely huge for them yesterday, the Phillips and Jackson personal fouls were just ridiculous displays of stupidity and petulance. They had the same thing in their playoff loss to the Steelers last year I recall, over 100 yards of penalties against them in that game.

It's hard enough to win games in the playoffs, but when you're killing yourself with penalties like they have the last two years it's pretty much impossible. Chargers yap and complain too much when they should just be getting on with their job and beating people. This goes back to Norv, to be honest, he really doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who'll instill the kind of discipline and drive in his own team that's needed to go all the way.

I still think they gave up on Marty a year too soon. That playoff loss to New England was such a fluke, he needed another year to have a chance to set that right in my opinion.

Right after the Jets took the lead in that game I turned to my son and said, "Watch this. Sandy Eggo will now start self-destructing and getting stupid penalties."

Twenty minutes later, my son said, "Wow. You were right."

When they fall behind, their complete lack of class bubbles to the surface.

WolfpackGuy
01-18-2010, 07:42 AM
Norv is getting destroyed this morning on NFL radio and on Mad Dog radio. People are all over him for the onside kick, as was Simms during the game.

Although perfectly kicked, that onside kick was about as dumb as the Jets' kick on the previous possession which let the Chuggers start their final TD drive on the 48 because the Jets got the fear of Sproles in them.

I really think the Jets would've had to have gotten two first downs instead of the one they got if SD kicked deep.

boltaneer
01-18-2010, 08:05 AM
Norv is getting destroyed this morning on NFL radio and on Mad Dog radio. People are all over him for the onside kick, as was Simms during the game. With a timeout and the 2 min warning, why kick the onsides? Kick it deep and try and stop them. He is also getting killed for not going for it on 4th and 1 and settling for 48 yd fg. Lastly, Sproles only getting 6 touches(63 yds) is inexcusable. Those have been the biggest talking points so far on radio this morn.

While I defended Norv a bit earlier in the thread, I do have to agree with this.

I did not like the decision at the time to try the onside kick. Assuming the runs played out the same way, the Jets would have had 4th and 1 deep in their territory. Unless Rex is as ballsy as Belichick, I see him punting in that situation.

I'm not so sure what happened with Sproles. Maybe they dialed up plays for him but couldn't get him the ball. At this point, who knows? But I would have liked to see at least one screen attempt with him or something (I don't recall one anyway).

As for Shaun Phillips and Vincent Jackson, they've both had a slight history of being dumbasses on (and off) the field but they're also easily the best players at that position on the team. I'm not really sure what else a coach can do in a situation like this. You know they're being coached to not make stupid penalties so it ultimately falls on the individual to control their emotions in the heat of the moment. Obviously they could not do it yesterday.

Mountain Bronco
01-18-2010, 08:10 AM
It is really hard to say. Is the undisciplined players on Norv? Maybe, he doesn't emphasise personal responsibility enought, maybe these players are just selfish little punks. I also don't think they made any in game adjustments with their offense which is on Norv. Gates was killing the Jets and then they would go away from him??? LT should have been benched for Sproles as well, Sproles is dangerous, LT is not anymore.

Whatever the reason, I like the results.

gunns
01-18-2010, 08:13 AM
Agreed, Shanny would have raped with Rivers.


Anyways. Will he get canned... Well, I guess the question is, who could they get to coach? If they have an upgrade, they should take it.

I wonder if they could get Gruden to break the contract he just signed. I think he'd be good there. Really with the weapons that team has, they should be much better then they are. Any good coach should have rings with Rivers. You need a great QB and he is that.

You also need a great defense and they don't have that. All the hype on them this year was their offense, one of the reasons I won $350 yesterday on that game.

I don't think he will get canned....yet. At least I hope not. No, I don't believe he's a better coach than Schotty, I think Schotty could have actually taken them to the SB that next year. Thank you AJ. Whenever I'm asked if I think SD can win the SB I merely answer they have Norv. He has not disappointed.

Gob
01-18-2010, 08:29 AM
While I defended Norv a bit earlier in the thread, I do have to agree with this.

I did not like the decision at the time to try the onside kick. Assuming the runs played out the same way, the Jets would have had 4th and 1 deep in their territory. Unless Rex is as ballsy as Belichick, I see him punting in that situation.

I'm not so sure what happened with Sproles. Maybe they dialed up plays for him but couldn't get him the ball. At this point, who knows? But I would have liked to see at least one screen attempt with him or something (I don't recall one anyway).

As for Shaun Phillips and Vincent Jackson, they've both had a slight history of being dumbasses on (and off) the field but they're also easily the best players at that position on the team. I'm not really sure what else a coach can do in a situation like this. You know they're being coached to not make stupid penalties so it ultimately falls on the individual to control their emotions in the heat of the moment. Obviously they could not do it yesterday.

We will have to send McDaniels over there to give a seminar or something. He has this really great relationship/respect system for dealing with talented divas and/or immature players. Hopefully it will do for your talent level what it did for ours.

colonelbeef
01-18-2010, 09:29 AM
B, obviously.

Hulamau
01-18-2010, 11:06 AM
a. He's overachieving to even have his team in the position they were in today. That team isn't very good.

B. Too many fails in big games. He's their problem.

Go...

both!

Crushaholic
01-18-2010, 12:31 PM
After 11 straight wins, they were due for a bad game. It's too bad that it had to happen during the playoffs....