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Gort
01-17-2010, 06:59 PM
saw this on a Ravens forum. thought it was a good question, so i'll repeat it here. if Mt. Rushmore were for QBs instead of ex-presidents, who would be your 4 QBs faces on it. for me, #1 & #2 would be Unitas and Elway. not sure who would be #3 or #4. Bart Starr? Bradshaw? Favre? Marino? Kelly? i've never thought much of Montana as a QB personally, so he's not on my list. you can use what ever criteria you want.

#1 Unitas
#2 Elway
#3 ?
#4 ?

Br0nc0Buster
01-17-2010, 07:00 PM
Peyton Manning
John Elway
Johnny Unitas
Kyle Orton

spdirty
01-17-2010, 07:01 PM
1. Elway.
2. Montana.
3. Manning.
4. Dirty Sanchez. (sorry, Im really ****in happy right now. :))

phillybroncosnut
01-17-2010, 07:01 PM
Elway, Montana, Unitas, Manning

loborugger
01-17-2010, 07:06 PM
1. Elway
2. Plummer
3. Morton
4. Orton

Rest of the NFL...

1. Elway
2. Unitas
3. Montana
4. Marino/Favre/Aikman/Kelly/Greise/Bradshaw/I could really care less.

epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2010, 07:17 PM
http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/john-elway_301.jpg
1. John Elway - there has never been another player in the history of the NFL whose team could be down two TD's and the other sideline still whispered his name.

http://leibrockk.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/peytonmanning.jpg
2. Peyton Manning - this guy revolutionized the position. For most of his career he has been the best player in the NFL.

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/tom-brady-shirtless.jpg
3. Tom Brady - The guy is a winner and has been his entire career.

http://mb3093.k12.sd.us/images/pics/car%20pics/Joe%20Montana.jpg
4. Joe Montana - Was Tom Brady before Tom Brady.

Gort
01-17-2010, 07:17 PM
Elway, Montana, Unitas, Manning

i hate to say it, but Manning is probably in the discussion now for being one of the top 5 to ever play the position. it doesn't hurt that he played in an era where the defense couldn't even look cross-eyed at a receiver without getting a penalty, but he's put up some impressive numbers. i think Tarkenton is often forgotten in these discussions, be he's in the mix, along with Otto Graham and Sammy Baugh.

Blart
01-17-2010, 07:20 PM
Elway
Montana
Marino
Manning

Gort
01-17-2010, 07:24 PM
Bradshaw has got to be on my list, now that i think about it. he's won 4 superbowls. it's not always about TDs and yardage. winning the big games has to count too... my Mt. Rushmore would look like this i guess. can't decide on #4 though.

#1 Unitas
#2 Elway
#3 Bradshaw
#4 Manning/Favre

an even harder question is who would be on the list if we were talking about RBs instead of QBs. ;) TD of course, and i've always been a fan of Earl Campbell. he doiminated the game in his first 4 years in the league.

epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2010, 07:27 PM
Bradshaw has got to be on my list, now that i think about it. he's won 4 superbowls. it's not always about TDs and yardage. winning the big games has to count to... my Mt. Rushmore would look like this i guess. can't decide on #4 though.

#1 Unitas
#2 Elway
#3 Bradshaw
#4 Manning/Favre

Manning will probably be universally regarded as the greatest QB of all time when he hangs em up. I think that its safe to say that he'll hold most of the significant records and he might have another superbowl victory.

Bradshaw was along for the ride on those steelers teams. Ever heard of the steel curtain?

Blart
01-17-2010, 07:27 PM
The 80's and early 90's were cruel to all but a few elite NFC teams, so I don't place much stock in SB wins.

Slade
01-17-2010, 07:28 PM
Elway
Montana
Marino
Manning

This...Manning competes with Favre for the last spot. As of today I might say Favre, but Manning will overtake him in 2 years. The same is true with Montana and Tom Brady.

Elway is the same as Unitas IMO.

Gort
01-17-2010, 07:36 PM
Manning will probably be universally regarded as the greatest QB of all time when he hangs em up. I think that its safe to say that he'll hold most of the significant records and he might have another superbowl victory.

Bradshaw was along for the ride on those steelers teams. Ever heard of the steel curtain?

his last 2 superbowl wins were won by the offense. he threw for over 300 yards in each game. i remember both games well. rooted for the Cowboys and Rams and was disappointed both times. :(

Natedog24
01-17-2010, 07:46 PM
1. John Elway
2. John Elway
3. John Elway
4. John Elway

broncosteven
01-17-2010, 08:11 PM
1. John Elway
2. John Elway
3. John Elway
4. John Elway

I like this one,

You have to add Unitas though.

Personally I would go:
Unitas
Elway
Graham
Starr

Starr gets the 4th seed because he was the 1st Montana and Brady type QB. Plus he was a better athelete than they were/are.

orinjkrush
01-17-2010, 08:55 PM
Staubach or Montana
Manning. damn him.

hookemhess
01-17-2010, 09:13 PM
Elway
Favre
Manning
Montana

yhova
01-17-2010, 10:58 PM
Kent Graham
Craig Whelihan
Jamarcus Russell
Brian Griese

HAT
01-17-2010, 11:11 PM
Elway
Favre
Manning
Montana

This.

BroncoMan4ever
01-17-2010, 11:43 PM
i just can't put guys like Bradshaw, Montana or Brady on the list of 4. these guys get more recognition than they rightfully should simply due to playing on teams any QB could win a super bowl with.

you put Elway on those 49ers teams in the 80s and Elway would probably be home polishing 5 rings.

the teams around those 3 were built to win regardless of who was under center. with that in mind my Mt Rushmore would be

ELWAY i don't care what the stats say, he is the greatest to ever strap on a helmet
Marino granted the guy never won a super bowl, one of the greatest to ever play
Favre his position the last few years had fallen off, but this season has brought him back to his place amongst the greats
Manning the undisputed best in the league right now. the guy revolutionized the position and will retire with every QB record

BroncoMan4ever
01-17-2010, 11:44 PM
Kent Graham
Craig Whelihan
Jamarcus Russell
Brian Griese

no Ryan Leaf, Jeff George or Cutler?

LonghornBronco
01-17-2010, 11:49 PM
Elway
Favre
Manning
Montana

I also agree with this list. Longhorns know good QBs :strong:

Killericon
01-17-2010, 11:58 PM
If Favre wins this year, I pick him. If not, Manning.
Elway.
Unitas.
Montana.

Bronco Yoda
01-18-2010, 12:04 AM
John Elway
Craig Morton
Frank Tripucka
Jake Plummer


...what?

SonOfLe-loLang
01-18-2010, 12:17 AM
Not only is Peyton on it, he's probably number one on my list and, my guess, is he'll be number one on most people's when his career is over. The guy is simply amazing, no matter who the players are around him, he makes them all all-stars. He calls his own plays, rarely makes wrong decisions, wins a ton, and has incredible stats to back up the argument.

Atwater His Ass
01-18-2010, 12:54 AM
I don't place much stock in SB wins.

lolwut?

BroncoMan4ever
01-18-2010, 02:06 AM
The 80's and early 90's were cruel to all but a few elite NFC teams, so I don't place much stock in SB wins.

to a degree i agree with you about SB wins being overrated stats for QBs. I mean look at Bradshaw, Montana, Brady, none of them are particularly great QBs, but all played on incredible teams that could have won super bowls with almost any QB. put Elway at the helm of the 49ers in the 80s and there is no doubting who the top dog on this list would be. 10-15 thousand more passing yards, 10-20 more wins, 50-100 more TD passes and a few more rings could have been added to his career stats had he played in SF instead of Denver

look at Marino, one of the best ever, but he has no rings. i'm not saying super bowl wins shouldn't count, but they shouldn't be the deciding factor on the greatness of a QB

extralife
01-18-2010, 02:12 AM
Graham
Unitas
Montana
Manning

tough

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 02:21 AM
Montana
Brady
Unitas
Elway
Bradshaw
Staubach
Marino



http://product.images.fansedge.com/33-70/33-70624-F.jpg

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 02:23 AM
People always forget Staubach ... but he was nails. Boring, but nails.

The MVPlaya
01-18-2010, 02:32 AM
to a degree i agree with you about SB wins being overrated stats for QBs. I mean look at Bradshaw, Montana, Brady, none of them are particularly great QBs, but all played on incredible teams that could have won super bowls with almost any QB. put Elway at the helm of the 49ers in the 80s and there is no doubting who the top dog on this list would be. 10-15 thousand more passing yards, 10-20 more wins, 50-100 more TD passes and a few more rings could have been added to his career stats had he played in SF instead of Denver

look at Marino, one of the best ever, but he has no rings. i'm not saying super bowl wins shouldn't count, but they shouldn't be the deciding factor on the greatness of a QB

with almost any QB? WTF??? So now super bowl rings are a detriment to a QB's success? This line degrades and is a shot at the QB's you had mentioned. Brady is not a great QB? So being clutch, having immense study habits, working hard, ability to maneuver the pocket, extreme competitors, etc doesn't make him great?

It shouldn't be a deciding factor, why? If you don't have super bowl rings, you better have some sort of amazing accomplishments. (MARINO)

If you do, that takes you over the top, period because that's what you play every season for.

This post is coming from the viewpoint of a loser. Imagine if you have super bowl wins, and some QB who does great during the season but never gets to the big game or wins it somehow becomes more recognizable than you?

Only at the omane.

BroncoMan4ever
01-18-2010, 02:47 AM
with almost any QB? WTF??? So now super bowl rings are a detriment to a QB's success? This line degrades and is a shot at the QB's you had mentioned. Brady is not a great QB? So being clutch, having immense study habits, working hard, ability to maneuver the pocket, extreme competitors, etc doesn't make him great?

It shouldn't be a deciding factor, why? If you don't have super bowl rings, you better have some sort of amazing accomplishments.

If you do, that takes you over the top, period because that's what you play every season for.

This post is coming from the viewpoint of a loser. Imagine if you have super bowl wins, and some QB who does great during the season but never gets to the big game or wins it somehow becomes more recognizable than you?

Only at the omane.

Brady was out for an entire year and that team being led by a QB that hadn't started a game since high school or almost a decade still won 11 games. do you realize if Manning went down in Indy, that team goes from potential super bowl favorite to a team getting a top 5 pick in next years draft.

i determine greatness as being irreplaceable. Cassell proved Brady is replaceable and thus is not great.

that post came from someone who doesn't overrate players. winning a super bowl is about a team, not a QB. a QB is part of that team, but a super bowl win shouldn't be the only deciding factor in determining how great a QB is. Montana is far from a great QB, but has rings, because his teams were great, same with Brady, he is this generations Montana.

take for intance, you could have either Marino or Brady in their primes leading your team, you would take Marino every time. had he won that super bowl in 84, he would probably be seen as without a doubt one of the best to ever play, but is often overlooked because of the lack of a ring, while guys like Montana, Bradshaw and Brady are looked at as gods because they fell ass backwards into the luck of being blessed to be apart of great teams.

i didn't say that super bowl wins shouldn't be factored into the discussion of what makes a great QB, but they shouldn't be the final answer. It is like the pro bowl discussion, it can be noticed and thought about but being named to a pro bowl doesn't mean you are the best, just the most popular.

BroncoMan4ever
01-18-2010, 02:48 AM
People always forget Staubach ... but he was nails. Boring, but nails.

Jim Kelly is in the same situation. damn good QB but rarely talked about.

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 02:51 AM
Jim Kelly is in the same situation. damn good QB but rarely talked about.

Slap liked Jim Kelly.

Remember Slap?

BroncoMan4ever
01-18-2010, 02:55 AM
Slap liked Jim Kelly.

Remember Slap?

damn that is a name i had not thought of in a long time.

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 03:02 AM
I remember Slap.

Rohirrim
01-18-2010, 03:17 AM
Bubby Brister
Gus Frerotte
Jake Plummer
Kyle Orton

Spider
01-18-2010, 08:08 AM
Tommy Maddox
Todd Marinovich
Mark Malone ( king of the bounce pass in the NFL bar none )

Sean Salisbury ......... Hell even had a gig on ESPN .........

The Joker
01-18-2010, 08:42 AM
Elway
Montana
Unitas
Manning

gunns
01-18-2010, 09:06 AM
Manning will probably be universally regarded as the greatest QB of all time when he hangs em up. I think that its safe to say that he'll hold most of the significant records and he might have another superbowl victory.

Bradshaw was along for the ride on those steelers teams. Ever heard of the steel curtain?

Thank you. I cringe whenever I hear Bradshaws name among the greats.

1. Elway
2. Manning
3. Unitas/Baugh
4. Marino/Montana/Brady

gunns
01-18-2010, 09:08 AM
Slap liked Jim Kelly.

Remember Slap?

I loved watching the Bills as a team when they went to their 4 SB's. I liked Kelly too, but not as one of the greats. That was a fun team to watch.

Pony Boy
01-18-2010, 09:52 AM
John Elway
Joe Montana
Terry Bradshaw
Warren Moon

Requiem
01-18-2010, 09:56 AM
I'd put BarryR and Gaffney up on that.

BroncoMan4ever
01-18-2010, 01:48 PM
John Elway
Joe Montana
Terry Bradshaw
Warren Moon

Warren Moon, damn fine QB that so rarely gets any notice. constantly overlooked. also his career NFL stats could have been higher had he not played in canada as long as his did.

still say Bradshaw and Montana are overrated and aside from the rings have no place on a list of best QBs ever

TheDave
01-18-2010, 01:52 PM
1. Unitas
2. Montana
3. Elway
4. Manning

Question is, I'm not sure who to bump if Farve ends up winning the superbowl this year.

PRBronco
01-18-2010, 02:23 PM
Thank you. I cringe whenever I hear Bradshaws name among the greats.

1. Elway
2. Manning
3. Unitas/Baugh
4. Marino/Montana/Brady

Surprised there's not more mention of Slingin' Sammy here.

broncosteven
01-18-2010, 02:49 PM
People always forget Staubach ... but he was nails. Boring, but nails.

I prefer Tarkington, he was fun and won alot of games, just not the big one.

I don't think he is top 4 though.

CoopDawg
01-18-2010, 06:10 PM
Manning
Elway
Favre
Unitas