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DawnBTVS
01-15-2010, 04:36 PM
I found this site: http://www.profootballfocus.com/cstats.php?tab=by_team&season=2009&teamid=10&stats=o&stype=r&playerid= and thought it was interesting as they rated players in every single player for the entire season. A green is good (higher the better), red is obviously bad.

Interesting notes...
Offensively
- Brandon Marshall was easily the best receiver on the team
- Jabar Gaffney had the best rating in screen blocking
- Daniel Graham as the best screen blocker, Tony Scheffler was the best pass blocker, and Richard Quinn in brief play was the best run blocker
- Casey Wiegmann and Ryan Clady were the only positives in run blocking while Ryan Clady and Chris Kuper were the only positives in pass blocking. Ben Hamilton was the worst blocker on the team and Tyler Polumbus was awful in pass blocking.
- Kyle Orton scored a respectable 18.0 in passing and the Broncos dropped 30 passes as a team. Was most effective in the 0-9 yard range with 13 TD vs. 3 INT. 10-19 yards he had 1 TD vs. 5 INT and 20+ yards he had 4 TD vs. 4 INT.
- Knowshon Moreno and Correll Buckhalter were the only positive runners but Moreno was also positive in pass blocking, a great sign.

Defensively
- Vonnie Holliday was the best D-Line player. Great grab there but to no surprise, the defensive line needs big improvement. Ronald Fields was good against the run and Darrell Reid was able to generate good pass rushing. Kenny Peterson was the worst by far though.
- The linebackers were mostly really good against the run. DJ Williams struggled in both coverage and the run but was a good pass rusher. Turn him into a 3rd down rush specialist? Doom had a 21.2 pass rush rating but a horrible -12.1 run defense.
- The secondary was mostly good against the pass although Andre Goodman struggled to defend the run. Darcel McBath was the second highest rated player in pass coverage. Alphonso Smith was the lowest rated.

Secondary
- Rookies Darcel McBath and David Bruton paid major dividends here. They combined for a 4.5 on kickoff coverage
- Spencer Larsen and Wesley Woodyard were both very productive
- Matt Prater was exceptional on kickoffs

DawnBTVS
01-15-2010, 04:41 PM
Apologies. Secondary at the bottom should read Special Teams and PFF rated every player in every play of the season.

But I thought it was interesting that some of the roles rookies were drafted for (Quinn as a blocker, McBath and Bruton for special teams) were shown to be paying off immediately.

tsiguy96
01-15-2010, 04:41 PM
interesting about DJ, sorta confirms what a lot of peoople think, he makes a good play then disappears for awhile.

its amazing what the coaches did for this team teh first 6 weeks to make them SO dominant. for all the bitching everyone does about going 2-8, they ignore that mcdaniels and co turned an average group of players into superstars for awhile. unfortunately talent level got caught up with.

watermock
01-15-2010, 04:50 PM
That analysis is honestly, incredibly generous, like written by Popps.

Flex Gunmetal
01-15-2010, 04:51 PM
That anlysis is honestly, incredibly generous, like written by Popps.

words and punctuation, are honestly, so hard to use, correctly in a sentence.

gtown
01-15-2010, 04:59 PM
This confirms a lot. Moreno is an all around back. Orton is part of the solution not part of the problem, the Oline outside of Clady and Kupe was terrible (surprised about Harris' ratings), Doom sucks against the run, DJ just sucks, Vonnie Holiday needs to be resigned, and Alphonso Smith is a waste of a draft pack (as of right now).

Edit: McBean and Peterson suck. Quantitative corroboration of what my eyes have seen!

watermock
01-15-2010, 05:03 PM
words and punctuation, are honestly, so hard to use, correctly in a sentence.

They are when your crippled in your hands.

Look, it's OK. You're just an ignorant ass about disabilities.

Flex Gunmetal
01-15-2010, 05:09 PM
They are when your crippled in your hands.

Look, it's OK. You're just an ignorant ass about disabilities.

How can I be ignorant about it? Did you know my right middle toe curls over the one next to it? You are an ignorant ass about toe deformities.

If you weren't a crazy jackass I wouldn't point things like this out. Way to hate on sending aid to Haiti, too. You stay classy, mock.

watermock
01-15-2010, 05:16 PM
This confirms a lot. Moreno is an all around back. Orton is part of the solution not part of the problem, the Oline outside of Clady and Kupe was terrible (surprised about Harris' ratings), Doom sucks against the run, DJ just sucks, Vonnie Holiday needs to be resigned, and Alphonso Smith is a waste of a draft pack (as of right now).

Edit: McBean and Peterson suck. Quantitative corroboration of what my eyes have seen!

Bullshiat.

Moreno is a 4th round back. Orton is a backup. Clady regesses as did Royal. Doom is not a franchise player. DJ played out of position for the 6th year. Smith sucks.

Peterson does not suck. Fields did not suck, nor Davis or Haggan.

This analysis sucked, and is worthless.

Did he grade the offense on 3rd down? or the 2-8 finish?

The whole piece was worthless.

BTW, sorry if I got some words wrong. I guuess I should go back into the hospise, huh, so I don't make you look like an idiot.

watermock
01-15-2010, 05:25 PM
How can I be ignorant about it? Did you know my right middle toe curls over the one next to it? You are an ignorant ass about toe deformities.

If you weren't a crazy jackass I wouldn't point things like this out. Way to hate on sending aid to Haiti, too. You stay classy, mock.


Oh, sorry about your toe, how insensitive of me.

I never said sending aid to Haiti was wrong, I said it may be the Frenchies problem. And the UN's.

I don't know where you get that bullshiat.

How much is France doing, or anywhere else?

watermock
01-15-2010, 05:27 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=5178&dateline=1245452785

Good for you.

I'm going to call you pick 6x2.

watermock
01-15-2010, 05:31 PM
BTW, what is Flex Gunmetal anyway, huh? A rubber gun?

Idiot.

Flex Gunmetal
01-15-2010, 05:33 PM
Oh, sorry about your toe, how insensitive of me.

I never said sending aid to Haiti was wrong, I said it may be the Frenchies problem. And the UN's.

I don't know where you get that bullshiat.

How much is France doing, or anywhere else?

Sarcasm is lost on you. As is common sense. I forgot how silly it is to engage in conversation with you.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=5178&dateline=1245452785

Good for you.

I'm going to call you pick 6x2.

Feel free.

DawnBTVS
01-15-2010, 05:36 PM
If you... oh, actually bothered to click the link, watermock, you'd realize that I have absolutely ZERO to do with anything on that site. I was merely reporting the findings and ratings that were applied to the players by the group that runs above site. And again, they graded the players on every single snap of the entire season, from the great 6-0 start to the horrible 2-8 finish.

I thought some of the ratings were interesting in light of why certain players were drafted, kept or signed, and praised after certain post game conferences.

You can also click the player names and get more detailed information, week to week. You can do that for any player, and they also have a drop down so you can see Champ Bailey's statistics on coverage. If you want to see Moreno's ratings in the 2-8 run, you can do so. Here, I'll do it for you.

Week 10: 1.9 Rushing
Week 11: 0.1 Rushing
Week 12: 2.9 Rushing
Week 13: -1.1 Rushing
Week 14: -0.4 Rushing
Week 15: -1.2 Rushing
Week 16: -1.0 Rushing
Week 17: 1.6 Rushing

Here's his individual player page: http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&surn=Moreno&playerid=4935&group=4

Note that in his positive games, he generally made guys miss tackles and scored touchdowns. He was only rated as having 3 good games. Week 10 he had a 5.4 YPC and made 2 tacklers miss. Week 12 he scored 1 TD and made 3 tacklers miss. Week 17, he had 2 TD and made 4 tacklers miss.

Flex Gunmetal
01-15-2010, 05:40 PM
BTW, what is Flex Gunmetal anyway, huh? A rubber gun?

Idiot.

It's from the simpsons, used it for years.

How am I an idiot?
This may be a personal question, but are you allergic to peanuts?

watermock
01-15-2010, 05:50 PM
Note that in his positive games, he generally made guys miss tackles and scored touchdowns. He was only rated as having 3 good games.

****in' please.

He was only rated as having 3 good games

I saw 4 good games.

Maybe I was blinded.

watermock
01-15-2010, 06:02 PM
It's from the simpsons, used it for years.

How am I an idiot?
This may be a personal question, but are you allergic to peanuts?

OIC, I don't rmember him as a main character.

Yes, I alnost died from lobster after winning the Iowa debate crown with help.

GMF is a bad idea, it changes immunity, I would of been fine, but you don't care anyway, so don't give me this Haiti crap you liar.

This is a new world and we need to take care of our own,

WRONG, if you want reality, the fed wants to flood the world with dollars and default on debt, but that's over your head.

2KBack
01-15-2010, 06:14 PM
Cool information, and a cool site.

Why must good threads get ruined by resident wack jobs?

gtown
01-15-2010, 06:22 PM
bullshiat.

Moreno is a 4th round back. Orton is a backup. Clady regesses as did royal. Doom is not a franchise player. Dj played out of position for the 6th year. Smith sucks.

Peterson does not suck. Fields did not suck, nor davis or haggan.

This analysis sucked, and is worthless.

Did he grade the offense on 3rd down? Or the 2-8 finish?

The whole piece was worthless.

Btw, sorry if i got some words wrong. I guuess i should go back into the hospise, huh, so i don't make you look like an idiot.

lol

theAPAOps5
01-15-2010, 06:26 PM
I think its safe to say the old Mock is starting to hit his stride again.

Flex Gunmetal
01-15-2010, 06:26 PM
OIC, I don't rmember him as a main character.

Yes, I alnost died from lobster after winning the Iowa debate crown with help.

GMF is a bad idea, it changes immunity, I would of been fine, but you don't care anyway, so don't give me this Haiti crap you liar.

This is a new world and we need to take care of our own,

WRONG, if you want reality, the fed wants to flood the world with dollars and default on debt, but that's over your head.

This post makes a lot of sense.

Popps
01-15-2010, 06:47 PM
OIC, I don't rmember him as a main character.

Yes, I alnost died from lobster after winning the Iowa debate crown with help.

GMF is a bad idea, it changes immunity, I would of been fine, but you don't care anyway, so don't give me this Haiti crap you liar.

This is a new world and we need to take care of our own,

WRONG, if you want reality, the fed wants to flood the world with dollars and default on debt, but that's over your head.

:rofl:

It's like it's 2006 again.

tsiguy96
01-15-2010, 06:48 PM
anyways. we got a lot of needs to fill, that alphonso smith trade looks worse by the day.

Dagmar
01-15-2010, 06:50 PM
Where is BroncoBuff to report all these folks to Taco, or was it just Rusty...

Sodak
01-15-2010, 06:52 PM
Good to see Mock getting back to his old self again.

DBroncos4life
01-15-2010, 07:37 PM
A couple things jump out at me here.
2009 O was -53.5 D was -23
2008 O was 89.6 D was -192.9

Cuter 2009 Overall 16 Pass 15 2008 Overall 49.5 Pass 43.5
Orton 2009 Overall 16 Pass 18 2008 Overall 5.5 Pass 7.0

TheDave
01-15-2010, 07:48 PM
Here is Kylke Ortons chart... Does anyone understand what these numbers mean?

http://www.profootballfocus.com/PlayerBar.php?id=2323&season=2009

TheDave
01-15-2010, 07:49 PM
For a comparison here is Philip Rivers
http://www.profootballfocus.com/PlayerBar.php?id=1725&season=2009

TheDave
01-15-2010, 07:50 PM
and Matt Cassel

http://www.profootballfocus.com/PlayerBar.php?id=2447&season=2009

TheDave
01-15-2010, 07:51 PM
Joe Flacco
http://www.profootballfocus.com/PlayerBar.php?id=4332&season=2009

TheDave
01-15-2010, 07:53 PM
Carson Palmer

http://www.profootballfocus.com/PlayerBar.php?id=1317&season=2009

TheDave
01-15-2010, 07:56 PM
Roethlisberger

http://www.profootballfocus.com/PlayerBar.php?id=1732&season=2009

SureShot
01-15-2010, 07:56 PM
I think its safe to say the old Mock is starting to hit his stride again.

and its is AWESOME

SureShot
01-15-2010, 07:57 PM
Roethlisberger

http://www.profootballfocus.com/PlayerBar.php?id=1732&season=2009

Dont keep us waiting where's Cutler?

TheDave
01-15-2010, 07:57 PM
David Garrard

http://www.profootballfocus.com/PlayerBar.php?id=1109&season=2009

TheDave
01-15-2010, 07:58 PM
Dont keep us waiting where's Cutler?

http://www.profootballfocus.com/PlayerBar.php?id=2956&season=2009

DBroncos4life
01-15-2010, 07:59 PM
Dont keep us waiting where's Cutler?

It looks just like Kyle Orton's.

TheDave
01-15-2010, 08:00 PM
Now, I don't have a clue what these numbers mean but according to this rating system Kyle Orton id painfully below-average. Especially when compared to other AFC QB's.

But like I said... I have no idea what thei rating system is.

SureShot
01-15-2010, 08:06 PM
David Garrard

http://www.profootballfocus.com/PlayerBar.php?id=1109&season=2009

I cant imagine what these numbers mean but I saw every Jacksonville (don't ask) and Garrard is ****ing terrible. I would much rather have Orton and you all know I'm a huge fan (CTRL,>)

2KBack
01-15-2010, 08:07 PM
Now, I don't have a clue what these numbers mean but according to this rating system Kyle Orton id painfully below-average. Especially when compared to other AFC QB's.

But like I said... I have no idea what thei rating system is.

Odd, I looked at it and thought he was more consistantly above average. Meaning he didn't have the same high's as many QB's, but also fewer lows.

DBroncos4life
01-15-2010, 08:11 PM
Here is Kylke Ortons chart... Does anyone understand what these numbers mean?

http://www.profootballfocus.com/PlayerBar.php?id=2323&season=2009
<a target='_blank' title='ImageShack - Image And Video Hosting' href='http://img195.imageshack.us/i/warner.png/'><img src='http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5567/warner.png' border='0'/></a>

When looking at Warner's compared to Orton's it's clear that Orton and Warner are nothing a like. Warner is 39 with no pressure, 1.5 with plays with pressure, and 16 when blitzed for a total of 40.5. Orton is 22.5 with no pressure, -5.0 with pressure, and 7.5 when blitzed for a total of 17.5. I'm not at all shocked though one is a average to above average QB the other is a HOF QB with everything that goes along with being a HOF QB.

TheDave
01-15-2010, 08:16 PM
Odd, I looked at it and thought he was more consistantly above average. Meaning he didn't have the same high's as many QB's, but also fewer lows.

Compare him to the QB's who are either in the AFC playoffs or had a chance going into the last week or so... That is his competition and according to this data he is well below them.

TheDave
01-15-2010, 08:17 PM
<a target='_blank' title='ImageShack - Image And Video Hosting' href='http://img195.imageshack.us/i/warner.png/'><img src='http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5567/warner.png' border='0'/></a>

When looking at Warner's compared to Orton's it's clear that Orton and Warner are nothing a like. Warner is 39 with no pressure, 1.5 with plays with pressure, and 16 when blitzed for a total of 40.5. Orton is 22.5 with no pressure, -5.0 with pressure, and 7.5 when blitzed for a total of 17.5. I'm not at all shocked though one is a average to above average QB the other is a HOF QB with everything that goes along with being a HOF QB.


I'm sorry, but who the hell ever compared Orton to Warner?

DBroncos4life
01-15-2010, 08:20 PM
I'm sorry, but who the hell ever compared Orton to Warner?

One of the superfans....:thumbsup:

TheDave
01-15-2010, 08:23 PM
One of the superfans....:thumbsup:

Good Gawd... one is a potential HOFer and the other is trying to keep his job on an 8-8 team.

I think that tells the story pretty well.

DBroncos4life
01-15-2010, 08:29 PM
Good Gawd... one is a potential HOF the other is trying to keep his job on an 8-8 team.

I think that tells the story pretty well.

Something about how they both go through their read's the same and how both Orton and Warner throw to the first read a lot. That really explains how Warner always has a 2nd and 3rd WR/RB with such high stats as well. You can look back at Bruce, Holt, and Faulks stats and Boldin, Fitz, and Breaston's stats to get a good idea on how well Warner goes through his reads.

Something about how mobile they are too. I guess 38 year old Warner isn't as mobile as 27 year old Orton.

TheDave
01-15-2010, 08:35 PM
Something about how they both go through their read's the same and how both Orton and Warner throw to the first read a lot. That really explains how Warner always has a 2nd and 3rd WR/RB with such high stats as well. You can look back at Bruce, Holt, and Faulks stats and Boldin, Fitz, and Breaston's stats to get a good idea on how well Warner goes through his reads.

I always appreciate how people can see a QB going through their reads from an over head sideline camera... Whatever.


In all honesty I don't think Orton is crap he is just painfully average when compared to all QB's in the nfl and below average when comparred to playoff caliber teams in the AFC.

He's got one more year to improve significantly or we are going QB shopping.

TheDave
01-15-2010, 08:36 PM
Something about how mobile they are too. I guess 38 year old Warner isn't as mobile as 27 year old Orton.

Pat Bowlen after a binger is more mobile than Orton.

watermock
01-15-2010, 08:46 PM
When looking at Warner's compared to Orton's it's clear that Orton and Warner are nothing a like. Warner is 39 with no pressure, 1.5 with plays with pressure, and 16 when blitzed for a total of 40.5. Orton is 22.5 with no pressure, -5.0 with pressure, and 7.5 when blitzed for a total of 17.5. I'm not at all shocked though one is a average to above average QB the other is a HOF QB with everything that goes along with being a HOF QB..

watermock
01-15-2010, 08:49 PM
Jesus, the idiots here are amazing.

Pseudofool
01-15-2010, 09:09 PM
What the heck are these numbers? I'm not a statistician so I can't say, but are these metrics valid?

Paladin
01-15-2010, 11:06 PM
I
He's got one more year to improve significantly or we are going QB shopping.

And you are going to pay him? BTW. Who is we?

Is this your opinion or do you have some inside info. If so, link, please.

Gawd, you are such an overbearing arse, and boorish, too............



Just saying.......

Dr.5280
01-16-2010, 12:41 AM
Jesus, the idiots here are amazing.

Yes Mock,,,however...unlike you ,most of them realize that if the peanut butter smells like poopoo you shouldn't eat it.

watermock
01-16-2010, 12:57 AM
The peanut butter was fresh.

There were variables however, unless you want to make a fool of yourself, let it go.

Statute of limitations is 2 years here, and I'm lucky to be alive.

Suing would been biting he hand that feeds me at this point.

STFU

Dagmar
01-16-2010, 07:32 AM
I am wondering why Taco and BroncoBuff publicly embarrass and vilify RustyShackleford, but no one on this thread.

DawnBTVS
01-16-2010, 07:48 AM
From their about page...

"If a player does something you would normally expect then this scores 0. If a LB makes an unblocked tackle 5 yards down the field or a linemen holds back a rusher for 4+ seconds. This is scored as 0. Grades are given as things which reasonably considered better or worse than average."

"
The grading takes into account many things and effectively brings "intelligence" to raw statistics. For example a raw stat might tell you a Tackle conceded a sack. However, how long did he protect the QB for before he gave it up? Additionally when did he give it up? If it was within the last two minutes on a potentially game tying drive it may be rather more important than when his team is running out the clock in a 30 point blow out.


The average grade or what we would typically expect of the average player is therefore defined as zero. In reality, the vast majority of grades on each individual play are zero and what we are grading are the exceptions to this. Rating a LT as anything other than zero for a successfully completed backside seal block on a DRE is going to a level of complexity beyond the scope of this site."


In regards to the QB stats, it seems that the majority of plays occur when the player is not pressured/blitzed, thus they have better ratings. If Jay Cutler throws an INT in the red zone without pressure but the DB out muscles the WR for the ball on a ball the WR should've caught, why penalize Jay for that and not the WR?


Tom Brady averaged 28 dropbacks of no pressure, 9 plays with pressure, and 12 plays of the blitz. You'll see that he does much better in no pressure and blitz, thus that's 40 dropbacks a game compare to just 9 where he struggled so he's more likely to see green bars than red. Arguably the same goes for Jay Cutler and most other quarterbacks.


Also QB stats include balls thrown away, balls hit as the QB threw (should he be blamed if there's an INT off one or should the blame be put on the OL?), batted passes, dropped passes, and spikes. Many fans look at Comp/Att and go, that QB sucked if he has say 58% without realizing that maybe he had 20 drops and 6 spikes.

Cito Pelon
01-16-2010, 08:16 AM
I always appreciate how people can see a QB going through their reads from an over head sideline camera... Whatever.


In all honesty I don't think Orton is crap he is just painfully average when compared to all QB's in the nfl and below average when comparred to playoff caliber teams in the AFC.

He's got one more year to improve significantly or we are going QB shopping.

That's about the size of it. They might be shopping already, also.

jhns
01-16-2010, 08:55 AM
A couple things jump out at me here.
2009 O was -53.5 D was -23
2008 O was 89.6 D was -192.9

Cuter 2009 Overall 16 Pass 15 2008 Overall 49.5 Pass 43.5
Orton 2009 Overall 16 Pass 18 2008 Overall 5.5 Pass 7.0

Wow, you can tell these metrics are really screwed up. Everyone here has been telling me our O is pretty much the same as last year. This seems to say it got a LOT worse. Hmmm....

Flex Gunmetal
01-16-2010, 11:22 AM
What idiot compared orton to warner?

TheDave
01-16-2010, 11:50 AM
And you are going to pay him? BTW. Who is we?

Is this your opinion or do you have some inside info. If so, link, please.

Gawd, you are such an overbearing arse, and boorish, too............



Just saying.......

Oh look, Paladin comes into another thread to bitch about other posters... AGAIN.

Your act is tired... Just Sayin'

TheDave
01-16-2010, 11:53 AM
What idiot compared orton to warner?

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=88431&page=3

misturanderson
01-16-2010, 12:14 PM
What idiot compared orton to warner?

Nobody did, they simply said that being like Warner is Orton's ceiling. That he has the physical skills to be like Warner if his mental game came together completely and he had the right supporting cast.

BroncoBuff
01-16-2010, 12:21 PM
I am wondering why Taco and BroncoBuff publicly embarrass and vilify RustyShackleford, but no one on this thread.

I'm still trying to grasp that Tony Scheffler is our best pass blocker ... hmmm...

misturanderson
01-16-2010, 12:24 PM
I'm still trying to grasp that Tony Scheffler is our best pass blocker ... hmmm...

Maybe because he blocked a blitzing corner twice this season and was out on a route every other passing situation? I was confused by that too.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-16-2010, 12:27 PM
Ryan Clady- 16th best tackle in '09 and 38th best tackle in '08 (Albert was #37)

Looks like they've got a great rating metric, especially at tackle.

BroncoBuff
01-16-2010, 12:28 PM
Here is Kylke Ortons chart... Does anyone understand what these numbers mean?

http://www.profootballfocus.com/PlayerBar.php?id=2323&season=2009

Makes sense ... Week 17 against the chefs was his second best outing this year :~ohyah!:

BroncoBuff
01-16-2010, 12:35 PM
I am wondering why Taco and BroncoBuff publicly embarrass and vilify RustyShackleford, but no one on this thread.
Okay, read through the thing. Sure, there's lots of insults in her, but nothing even remotely like the ridicule of a person's disability. Mock pointed out he can't type too well anymore ... fyi that's a direct result of his brush with death.

The Haiti part, while I disagree with him, is just his opinion on a political/social issue.


You and Rusty will love this: this morning I was walking across to Starbucks and I saw a lady in a wheelchair having trouble getting on a city bus. It was hil-AR-ious!

DawnBTVS
01-16-2010, 12:46 PM
It was a small sample size but the site has Scheffler listed as staying in to block on 37 pass plays and running a route on 240.

The tight ends as a whole weren't asked to pass block much and Scheffler stayed in to pass block just 7% of his plays (1 PB for every 15 plays he was in). Anyone with a DVR want to watch NFL Replay of a game and see how many times he stayed in/if he was effective? His best rated games came against Dallas and Indianapolis.

Dagmar
01-16-2010, 01:21 PM
Okay, read through the thing. Sure, there's lots of insults in her, but nothing even remotely like the ridicule of a person's disability. Mock pointed out he can't type too well anymore ... fyi that's a direct result of his brush with death.

The Haiti part, while I disagree with him, is just his opinion on a political/social issue.


You and Rusty will love this: this morning I was walking across to Starbucks and I saw a lady in a wheelchair having trouble getting on a city bus. It was hil-AR-ious!

Awww, no Taco here to run to so you make up scenarios that I would find hilarious. Hey, you lost all the weight, shame it didn't cure the ugly.

BroncoBuff
01-16-2010, 01:50 PM
Awww, no Taco here to run to so you make up scenarios that I would find hilarious. Hey, you lost all the weight, shame it didn't cure the ugly.

I don't understand any of this ... what does Taco have to do with it ???

And why don't you respond to the substance, instead of just throwing more (indecipherable) insults?

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 10:21 AM
I am wondering why Taco and BroncoBuff publicly embarrass and vilify RustyShackleford, but no one on this thread.

In the first place, you shouldn't worry about what I think, I'm not very popular around here anymore.

Second place, I didn't know you were Rusty Shackleford!! DAGMAR is my Amigo, my August '05 Amigo. But that Rusty guy - I didn't know who the heck he was - suddenly he came in here with all that attitude. Had I known it was you, I would've understood and responded better.

fontaine
01-18-2010, 01:04 PM
I found this site: http://www.profootballfocus.com/cstats.php?tab=by_team&season=2009&teamid=10&stats=o&stype=r&playerid= and thought it was interesting as they rated players in every single player for the entire season. A green is good (higher the better), red is obviously bad.

Interesting notes...
Offensively
- Brandon Marshall was easily the best receiver on the team
- Jabar Gaffney had the best rating in screen blocking
- Daniel Graham as the best screen blocker, Tony Scheffler was the best pass blocker, and Richard Quinn in brief play was the best run blocker
- Casey Wiegmann and Ryan Clady were the only positives in run blocking while Ryan Clady and Chris Kuper were the only positives in pass blocking. Ben Hamilton was the worst blocker on the team and Tyler Polumbus was awful in pass blocking.
- Kyle Orton scored a respectable 18.0 in passing and the Broncos dropped 30 passes as a team. Was most effective in the 0-9 yard range with 13 TD vs. 3 INT. 10-19 yards he had 1 TD vs. 5 INT and 20+ yards he had 4 TD vs. 4 INT.
- Knowshon Moreno and Correll Buckhalter were the only positive runners but Moreno was also positive in pass blocking, a great sign.


Like many have said already. We get rid of two RFAs in Marshall and Scheffler and that's pretty much our passing offense out the window.