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BroncoBuff
01-16-2010, 09:55 AM
Well Rasta, because he has you on ignore.
A guy as smart as you claim to be couldn't figure out that equation?

He might "have him" on ignore, but he sure as hell isn't "ignoring" him.

That was a complex and time-consuming post - to copy and post five separate images.

Seems kinda obsessive to me ... that's a topic you're familar with. What do you think? :yayaya:

Popps
01-16-2010, 10:15 AM
Well, obviously Jay needs an OC he can guide in the right direction.

Hilarious!

Jay's got a lot to teach. The back-footed lob special... the shoulder shrug... the head hang... and best of all, the tantrum. (Can be directed at refs or other QBs.)

So many skills to impart.

Flex Gunmetal
01-16-2010, 10:16 AM
Thats b/c you dont' get out much you Cave Dwelling Neanderthal! :wiggle:
FACEPALM
the bears niners/ game? -cutler drove right down the field in the last minute. i asked my kids "could orton do that? they said "no" and when the bears were first and goal i asked "will cutler throw his regular endzone pic? before they could answer of course he did. if anyone can coach the stupid pics out of cutler he will be awesome. nothing in the world can coach cutlers talent into orton.

That's like saying if he wasn't as bad as he is he would be awesome.

rastaman
01-16-2010, 10:21 AM
FACEPALM

MIDDLE FINGER!


That's like saying if he wasn't as bad as he is he would be awesome.

Thats like assuming he will continue throwing 20 plus interceptions per season for the next 4 years. Are you really dumb enough to bet/hope on those odds? You probably are b/c your hatred and ill will for Cutler runs pretty deep.

rastaman
01-16-2010, 10:26 AM
Well Rasta, because he has you on ignore.

A guy as smart as you claim to be couldn't figure out that equation?

Well Popps I'd venture to say I have him on ignore as well. See how that works! :thumbsup:

bowtown
01-16-2010, 10:27 AM
Well Popps I'd venture to say I have him on ignore as well. See how that works! :thumbsup:

But you don't or you wouldn't be able to keep reading and quoting his posts.

BroncoMan4ever
01-16-2010, 10:36 AM
Thats like assuming he will continue throwing 20 plus interceptions per season for the next 4 years. Are you really dumb enough to bet/hope on those odds? You probably are b/c your hatred and ill will for Cutler runs pretty deep.

i'd actually be willing to wager he averages at least 18 INTs a season over the next 4 years. that's the type of QB he is. a less capable of winning version of Brett Favre.

Flex Gunmetal
01-16-2010, 10:38 AM
Thats like assuming he will continue throwing 20 plus interceptions per season for the next 4 years. Are you really dumb enough to bet/hope on those odds? You probably are b/c your hatred and ill will for Cutler runs pretty deep.

I actually observed the trend that had been established. You expect him to suddenly do better when all indications are he will do similarly or worse? Why are you so stupid?

But you don't or you wouldn't be able to keep reading and quoting his posts.
But he ventured to mention it so he must understand what it means.

Popps
01-16-2010, 10:43 AM
But you don't or you wouldn't be able to keep reading and quoting his posts.

Hilarious!

BroncoMan4ever
01-16-2010, 10:58 AM
the bears niners/ game? -cutler drove right down the field in the last minute. i asked my kids "could orton do that? they said "no" and when the bears were first and goal i asked "will cutler throw his regular endzone pic? before they could answer of course he did. if anyone can coach the stupid pics out of cutler he will be awesome. nothing in the world can coach cutlers talent into orton.

i guess your kids and you both missed the New England game where Orton led not 1, but 2 90+ yard drives for TDs. The first of which was a 10 play 90 yard drive that got Denver back into the game and out of a 10 point deficit. the other one which was a 98 yard, 12 play drive that tied the game and sent it into overtime, where Orton had yet another long drive which put the team into field goal position and got Denver a win.

and the point about coaching the stupidity out of Cutler is moot because obviously it can't be done. he had one of the best offensive minds in football for 3 years and never got any better, he now after 4 years in the NFL is still making the same stupid mistakes he made as a rookie. he needs a coach or OC that will kick him in the ass and push him to get better, but with him being involved in the selection process means that isn't going to happen.

i used to argue the Jeff George comparisons when Cutler was here, because I believed with more coaching and a little more experience he would turn the page and become an elite QB, but more and more, he is showing he is Jeff George 2.

Popps
01-16-2010, 11:11 AM
i guess your kids and you both missed the New England game where Orton led not 1, but 2 90+ yard drives for TDs. The first of which was a 10 play 90 yard drive that got Denver back into the game and out of a 10 point deficit. the other one which was a 98 yard, 12 play drive that tied the game and sent it into overtime, where Orton had yet another long drive which put the team into field goal position and got Denver a win..

It's not important what Orton accomplished.

It's only important what Cutler LOOKS like when he doesn't accomplish things.

Sounds like a joke, but I'm dead serious. Orton has led plenty of crucial drives with limited time, and obviously has the tools to do so. But, he doesn't LOOK like Cutler does when he does it.

That's purely what it boils down to.

Jay Cutler LOOKS good doing it... at times. But, he's a mess once you dig deeper.

AKA the town whore analogy.

Doesn't matter what Orton or any other QB does. It's all about what people perceive to LOOKS better around here.

BroncoMan4ever
01-16-2010, 02:55 PM
It's not important what Orton accomplished.

It's only important what Cutler LOOKS like when he doesn't accomplish things.

Sounds like a joke, but I'm dead serious. Orton has led plenty of crucial drives with limited time, and obviously has the tools to do so. But, he doesn't LOOK like Cutler does when he does it.

That's purely what it boils down to.

Jay Cutler LOOKS good doing it... at times. But, he's a mess once you dig deeper.

AKA the town whore analogy.

Doesn't matter what Orton or any other QB does. It's all about what people perceive to LOOKS better around here.

true, a lot of the work Orton does is ugly, but the job gets done. in losing efforts Jay's athletic ability shines and makes people believe he is better.

you're right, it comes down to perception of how the QB plays, not the results

bombay
01-16-2010, 03:36 PM
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God I love seeing this.

That looks very familiar.

bombay
01-16-2010, 03:38 PM
Great point.

Cutler moves a team down the field and ****s it up faster than any QB in the league.

Rocket arm, jalopy brain.


Results are all that matters, though.

How can you argue with 24-29?

jhns
01-17-2010, 12:13 AM
true, a lot of the work Orton does is ugly, but the job gets done. in losing efforts Jay's athletic ability shines and makes people believe he is better.

you're right, it comes down to perception of how the QB plays, not the results

Gets the job done? So we were aiming for 8-8?

Killericon
01-17-2010, 12:17 AM
Nothing makes me happier than coming home and logging on to see what's new here at Bears/RedskinsMane.com.

SoCalBronco
01-17-2010, 12:21 AM
Hopefully they hire a good OC and get him some weapons.

Archer81
01-17-2010, 12:33 AM
Hopefully they hire a good OC and get him some weapons.


And teach him sound mechanics and teach him sometimes the best thing is to throw it away and to teach him that RB's can catch the ball too and a checkdown is not a win for the defense...and that the RZ is his friend.


:Broncos:

Popps
01-17-2010, 12:46 AM
Hopefully they hire a good OC and get him some weapons.

Well, he'll be doing the hiring, so it should go swimmingly.

Killericon
01-17-2010, 12:52 AM
Well, he'll be doing the hiring, so it should go swimmingly.

Criticize trading for and extending Cutler if you like, but ALL of the Bears' eggs are in one basket now. I think it's incredibly wise to have Cutler chip in on the interviews. I bet Elway had something to do with Bowlen plucking Shanahan back from San Fran.

I think they should get Mike Martz in there.

BroncoBuff
01-17-2010, 02:21 AM
Criticize trading for and extending Cutler if you like, but ALL of the Bears' eggs are in one basket now. I think it's incredibly wise to have Cutler chip in on the interviews. I bet Elway had something to do with Bowlen plucking Shanahan back from San Fran.

This.

Duh.

Hamrob
01-17-2010, 10:47 AM
Hilarious!

Jay's got a lot to teach. The back-footed lob special... the shoulder shrug... the head hang... and best of all, the tantrum. (Can be directed at refs or other QBs.)

So many skills to impart.

Let me start by saying....I wouldn't have traded Jay Cutler...I think his talent is second to none. Having said that. This is telling:'

Jeremy Bates choosing Seattle over Chicago!

Why is that so telling. The obvious...had Bates gone to Chicago and turned Cutler around. Let's say he got Jay to throw 30TD's and 15INT's...he would have been set up nicely for a potential head-coaching gig. He's just not going to get that type of visability in Seattle.

Bates not wanting to go to Chicago...really does say alot.

misturanderson
01-17-2010, 10:56 AM
Criticize trading for and extending Cutler if you like, but ALL of the Bears' eggs are in one basket now. I think it's incredibly wise to have Cutler chip in on the interviews. I bet Elway had something to do with Bowlen plucking Shanahan back from San Fran.

I think they should get Mike Martz in there.

And Elway had led the team to how many superbowls by then? Compared to Cutler's 0 playoff appearances. The difference is that Elway had already proven himself to be a great QB and leader by the time he was having input in coaching decisions. Cutler has proven absolutely nothing except that he doesn't improve during the offseason.

TonyR
01-17-2010, 11:00 AM
I bet Elway had something to do with Bowlen plucking Shanahan back from San Fran.


Okay, but the unavoidable and undeniable difference is that Elway had earned the right to be involved in such a decision. He was a veteran of the organization, a winner, and a leader. Cutler is none of those things.

To borrow from the genius of Buff, "duh".

TonyR
01-17-2010, 11:01 AM
And Elway had led the team to how many superbowls by then? Compared to Cutler's 0 playoff appearances. The difference is that Elway had already proven himself to be a great QB and leader by the time he was having input in coaching decisions. Cutler has proven absolutely nothing except that he doesn't improve during the offseason.

You beat me to it. Great minds.

sixtimeseight
01-17-2010, 11:08 AM
He might "have him" on ignore, but he sure as hell isn't "ignoring" him.

That was a complex and time-consuming post - to copy and post five separate images.

Seems kinda obsessive to me ... that's a topic you're familar with. What do you think? :yayaya:

Ummm, it took about five seconds. Select the posts, copy and paste. They were all right in a row so it really wasn't that hard.

Stick to what you do best buddy, making hilariously awful predictions and clamoring for the worst QB in the NFL to start for the Broncos.

GreatBronco16
01-17-2010, 11:23 AM
So da Bears are going to end up with an OC that Cutler can control and not the other way around? The future looks bright for them.

HEAV
01-17-2010, 12:02 PM
So da Bears are going to end up with an OC that Cutler can control and not the other way around? The future looks bright for them.

That's how I see it.

Jay Glazier was on fox today and stated "Cutler will meet with the candidates for an hour"

Again it's one thing to have a Manning, Brady, Elway, Marino type player have input. But Cutler isn't near that class of player (yet) and his ego needs cut down. But the the Bears have just given him a Asst. head coach/GM title.

BroncoMan4ever
01-17-2010, 12:34 PM
Gets the job done? So we were aiming for 8-8?

29-19 as a starter is getting the job done. that means he is winning more than 2 games for every 1 loss he has, which means he averages around 10 wins a season.

i suppose you are one of the haters who believe we would be better with Jay, who is 24-29 for his career.

all you haters try to throw all the blame at Orton but never notice that the defense got exposed the last month and a half of the season especially in stopping the run, or that the OL fell apart and midway through the season opponents defenses were practically living in our backfield killing our running game and limiting the passing game.

BroncoMan4ever
01-17-2010, 12:48 PM
Criticize trading for and extending Cutler if you like, but ALL of the Bears' eggs are in one basket now. I think it's incredibly wise to have Cutler chip in on the interviews. I bet Elway had something to do with Bowlen plucking Shanahan back from San Fran.

I think they should get Mike Martz in there.

there is a huge difference in Elway having a say in what coaches he felt he could work with. He was going into his 12th year as a pro, was already seen as one of the greatest QBs ever to play the game already, had been to and won playoff games, carried teams to super bowls that had no business being in a super bowl, he carried a franchise, and with that came the perks of having input in who he worked with. he is also the one who was the deciding factor of keeping Shannon Sharpe on the roster and not cutting him his rookie year. When you are of that calibur of a QB you have earned the right to have some pull with the franchise.

no one would say anything if, Peyton was involved in choosing a new OC or QB coach, because he has earned the right to have some say in what type of coaches they can work with.

Jay and his 24-29 record, no playoff record, still making rookie mistakes, and attitude, has absolutely no business having any say at all what coach should be brought in.

Popps
01-17-2010, 01:00 PM
Killericon,

Look, I understand the point. I think there are situations where a highly talented, highly established, well-respected veteran QB could have some valid input as to the hiring of his next coordinator.

The comedy here is that Jay is one of the least disciplined QBs in the league. He's erratic, has sub-par mechanics, questionable leadership skills and there has been turmoil surrounding him since he came into the league.

So, he's not good... he's not established... and it's highly debatable whether or not his teammates even respect him.
Why on earth would you want him going over people's resumes and conducting interviews?

Yes, I understand they have a financial commitment to him, like any team with any player. But, again... the comical part of all of this is that this is probably exactly what Cutler DOESN'T need. What Jay needs is someone to grab him by the collar and jam his face into a playbook and to beat him into either caring about his job or washing out of the league.

Either way, I'm just glad he's someone else's problem now.

Cito Pelon
01-17-2010, 01:28 PM
Killericon,

Look, I understand the point. I think there are situations where a highly talented, highly established, well-respected veteran QB could have some valid input as to the hiring of his next coordinator.

The comedy here is that Jay is one of the least disciplined QBs in the league. He's erratic, has sub-par mechanics, questionable leadership skills and there has been turmoil surrounding him since he came into the league.

So, he's not good... he's not established... and it's highly debatable whether or not his teammates even respect him.
Why on earth would you want him going over people's resumes and conducting interviews?

Yes, I understand they have a financial commitment to him, like any team with any player. But, again... the comical part of all of this is that this is probably exactly what Cutler DOESN'T need. What Jay needs is someone to grab him by the collar and jam his face into a playbook and to beat him into either caring about his job or washing out of the league.

Either way, I'm just glad he's someone else's problem now.

Agreed.

The MVPlaya
01-17-2010, 01:31 PM
Jerry Jones Cut T.O. to Make Offense 'Romo-Friendly'
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/03/11/jerry-jones-cut-t-o-to-make-offense-br-romo-friendly/

We all know there was many more reasons for TO being cut, don't kid yourself

"Romo-Friendly" is a real term Jerry Jones used...... The point is Chicago just might be wanting to make the offense "Cutler-Friendly" and I don't see a problem with this, it worked in Dallas.

Jerry Jones decided to make the Cowboy's "Romo-Friendly" he's got input from Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett and Tony Romo. T.O. was sent packing....... Dallas is in the hunt for the SB....... see how this works........

Yeah - it worked real well as you could see.

Romo has a bunch of flaws - Dallas can just hide them with their running game.

Dumbazz...:notthissh

Again OMANE posters stay stupid as kids in a minority area.

BroncoMan4ever
01-17-2010, 05:18 PM
Jerry Jones Cut T.O. to Make Offense 'Romo-Friendly'
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/03/11/jerry-jones-cut-t-o-to-make-offense-br-romo-friendly/

there is a big difference in talking with coaches, front office personell and the QB about what is and isn't working with the team, also, TO had been dumped from 2 other teams because of his attitude, so it isn't like they dumped a saint because Romo said so.

Gort
01-17-2010, 06:45 PM
In this case a OC who must work with this kid everyday is on a similiar level to them. This is why I brought up the Sales staff and Sales manager scenario before. Reps and managers tend to work hand and hand. So the last thing you want to do is bring in some heavy handed Sales manager that does little more than piss off your best producing reps.

Take a moment, let them feel as though they are part of this process and go from there. It's not that difficult.

unless Cutler really wants them to hire candidate A, but they decide to hire candidate B. then Cutler pouts. throws a hissy fit. skips voluntary workouts. turns off his blackberry. gives his playbook to his dad. puts his house on the market. etc...

Popps
01-17-2010, 07:23 PM
The bottom line is, you don't ask one of your worst performing employees to hire the guy who's supposed to teach him how to improve. That employee can't even do his own job, much less that of a GMs.

cutthemdown
01-17-2010, 07:41 PM
It's probably more a plan to make sure Jay can't mope about it. IMO they are afraid to have given all that up for a moper. So by making Jay at least feel like he is involved, maybe he won't mope.

I love the fact Bates doesn't want to run to him but instead stay with Carrol.

Popps
01-17-2010, 07:48 PM
It's probably more a plan to make sure Jay can't mope about it. IMO they are afraid to have given all that up for a moper. So by making Jay at least feel like he is involved, maybe he won't mope.

I love the fact Bates doesn't want to run to him but instead stay with Carrol.

If there's a logic to it... you're probably close.

Preemptive actions, I guess.

jhns
01-18-2010, 06:03 AM
29-19 as a starter is getting the job done. that means he is winning more than 2 games for every 1 loss he has, which means he averages around 10 wins a season.

i suppose you are one of the haters who believe we would be better with Jay, who is 24-29 for his career.

all you haters try to throw all the blame at Orton but never notice that the defense got exposed the last month and a half of the season especially in stopping the run, or that the OL fell apart and midway through the season opponents defenses were practically living in our backfield killing our running game and limiting the passing game.

So a top 10 defense is an excuse for Orton and it doesn't matter that Cutler had the worst ever Bronco defense? Funny stuff.

Orton sucks and has not gotten the job done. He had some wins for the Bears with a great defense and special teams. He showed up here and guys like Royal don't even look like receivers anymore. Our o-line all regressed because Orton can't work a pocket if his life depended on it. He has never once had a productive offense. Oh yeah, he also has more years in the league than that horrible player Cutler.

It is like you guys don't even watch the games. Orton has not played well and even McDaniels said as much with the "I can work with him and get him a lot better". Orton is a QB that makes everyone elses job harder. Being a nice guy doesn't mean a whole lot in sports. I do not get why you guys think we need to have this nice guy team. As soon as that is completed, we will be getting run over by the Lions every year. This is a tough guy sport that pays huge guys to run into each other. This isn't a tea party. "Who cares if they are good, I just don't want them to hurt my feelings!".

I'm sure you and the other 30 or so people that actually think Orton is good can form some kind of club. The rest of the world, that actually cares about play, will continue to laugh at you.

jhns
01-18-2010, 06:17 AM
LOL This thread is great. Look at popps and his gang of Bears fans that get all upset about their teams decisions. You guys should really just migrate to the Bears board. Us Bronco fans don't care for 20 page arguments about Bears decisions.

Also, I like how all of you think you know how to run a team. These are the same people that are still crying about people that questioned decisions by our front office last season. You cry because we don't know what we are talking about. Now you cry because you think you do know? Nicely done. It is no wonder I come here for entertainment while working.

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 06:18 AM
Again it's one thing to have a Manning, Brady, Elway, Marino type player have input. But Cutler isn't near that class of player (yet) and his ego needs cut down. But the the Bears have just given him a Asst. head coach/GM title.

Nobody said Cutler had hiring power or veto power, you jst don't like the guy. Which is okay.

Personally, I would have no problem if Orton sat in on OC interviews. In fact, I would want my QB - whomever that is - to meet with OC candidates. The QB-OC relationship is a 24-7 thing, you gotta have some kinda chemistry.

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 06:23 AM
LOL This thread is great. Look at popps and his gang of Bears fans that get all upset about their teams decisions. You guys should really just migrate to the Bears board. Us Bronco fans don't care for 20 page arguments about Bears decisions.
Yup ... like I said, Popps has more Cutler posts than anybody on this board. Probably more than any two posters combined ... o b s e s s i o n.

And yes, this thread is kinda nuts, just a thinly-veiled Cutler-hater outlet. My previous post above makes sense (imagine that): whomever your QB is, you definitely want him to meet with OC candidates.

If you really want to bash Jay, personally I gotta wonder why Jeremy Bates passed him by.

BroncoMan4ever
01-18-2010, 06:30 AM
So a top 10 defense is an excuse for Orton and it doesn't matter that Cutler had the worst ever Bronco defense? Funny stuff.

Orton sucks and has not gotten the job done. He had some wins for the Bears with a great defense and special teams. He showed up here and guys like Royal don't even look like receivers anymore. Our o-line all regressed because Orton can't work a pocket if his life depended on it. He has never once had a productive offense. Oh yeah, he also has more years in the league than that horrible player Cutler.

It is like you guys don't even watch the games. Orton has not played well and even McDaniels said as much with the "I can work with him and get him a lot better". Orton is a QB that makes everyone elses job harder. Being a nice guy doesn't mean a whole lot in sports. I do not get why you guys think we need to have this nice guy team. As soon as that is completed, we will be getting run over by the Lions every year. This is a tough guy sport that pays huge guys to run into each other. This isn't a tea party. "Who cares if they are good, I just don't want them to hurt my feelings!".

I'm sure you and the other 30 or so people that actually think Orton is good can form some kind of club. The rest of the world, that actually cares about play, will continue to laugh at you.

apparently you don't psay much attention to football, because outside of his rookie year, the Chicago defenses were far from top 10, in fact over his last few seasons there the D was ranked in the 20s, so he won desspite mediocre defenses.

GETTING THE ****ING JOB DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well you sound so sure Orton sucks, how about a wager. If next season Orton is still in Denver, i am willing to bet that not only is he better than Jay....AGAIN, but he also leads the team to a double digit win total and a playoff berth, while also putting up top 10 QB stats. if that happens you don't post your hater garbage for a month and eat your crow like a good little boy, and if it doesn't happen, i will eat my crow and leave here for a month.

on the OL looking like garbage, did you ever think age, lack of size and strength and the moving away from the ZBS had more of an impact on the lines regression this season than Orton, i mean haters gotta hate, but at least think things through before you talk ****. and with Royal, isn't it possible that he had a sophomore slump like so many pro before him have had and that the fact that he was battling injuries for at ;least half the season might have hindered his game a little.

also, what in your opinion is good play, because you defend Cutler yet in his 1 season in Denver Orton has outperformed him in every conceivable way as a QB. so in your retarded think you know football mind is Orton bad while outperforming Jay or do they both suck in your opinion or is Jay's mediocrity fine with you because he has so much potential?

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 06:34 AM
well you sound so sure Orton sucks, how about a wager. If next season Orton is still in Denver, i am willing to bet that not only is he better than Jay....AGAIN, but he also leads the team to a double digit win total and a playoff berth, while also putting up top 10 QB stats.

I like Kyle Orton ... but I want a piece of that. Re-read it and make sure you want to make that bet.

Before you do, here's a clue: Ain't gonna happen, not all of it anyway.

BroncoMan4ever
01-18-2010, 06:35 AM
Nobody said Cutler had hiring power or veto power, you jst don't like the guy. Which is okay.

Personally, I would have no problem if Orton sat in on OC interviews. In fact, I would want my QB - whomever that is - to meet with OC candidates. The QB-OC relationship is a 24-7 thing, you gotta have some kinda chemistry.

i agree to a point. i mean a QB like Orton who right now isn't for sure going to be our starter of next season let alone the forseable future shouldn't have any input at all on what coaches should be brought in. the only time i feel it is appropriate is when the QB is the franchise. If Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Ryan, Rivers, Brady, if any of them wanted input i think that is fine, because those franchises are built around those guys

BroncoMan4ever
01-18-2010, 06:36 AM
I like Kyle Orton ... but I want a piece of that. Re-read it and make sure you want to make that bet.

Before you do, here's a clue: Ain't gonna happen, not all of it anyway.

top 10 numbers
at least 10 wins
playoff berth

i will make that bet right now.

we will need to hammer out details though, like what will we base the QB numbers on.
also, if he isn't back in Denver or if he is looking over his shoulder for the QBOTF like Plummer in 06 the bet is off.

Orton i n Denver with no distractions will win me this bet

jhns
01-18-2010, 06:43 AM
apparently you don't psay much attention to football, because outside of his rookie year, the Chicago defenses were far from top 10, in fact over his last few seasons there the D was ranked in the 20s, so he won desspite mediocre defenses.

GETTING THE ****ING JOB DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



He had a top defense and special teams the only good season he had. When he didn't have top 10 defenses, he didn't win much. Is this a serious argument? Look at his record after his rookie year. Look at what he did that year and try arguing it wasn't the team around him. This argument is such a joke. He has never once had a productive offense and he doesn't come close to making those around him better.

Did you ever think your excuses get lame? The o-line didn't have injuries at the beginning of the year and looked worse then. The zone blocking system is also only a run blocking system. They are still doing the exact same thing when pass blocking and all of them regressed in their pass blocking. Every player regressed and there is not some individual excuse for each. Good QBs make their jobs easier and we don't have a QB that does that. Your excuses are pretty lame and not well thought out.

As for your Cutler obsession, I don't know what to say. Why does Cutler have to be the answer if Orton isn't? I don't get the logic. Go be a Bears fan. Cutler is not an option for this team now. I am not sure why it matters if he is better or not. If I care about Cutler, it is what he would have done here. I don't care what he does for some other team. You are the ones that can't get over him.

Also, this thing about Orton outperforming Cutler here is just funny. Cutler had a younger offense, less experience himself, a worse special teams, more injuries, and the franchises worst ever defense. Cutler was 8-8. Orton had a top 10 defense, a more experienced offense, less injuries, and managaed 8-8. We also had a far less productive offense. Keep making these brilliant arguments.

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 06:46 AM
top 10 numbers
at least 10 wins
playoff berth

i will make that bet right now.

we will need to hammer out details though, like what will we base the QB numbers on.
also, if he isn't back in Denver or if he is looking over his shoulder for the QBOTF like Plummer in 06 the bet is off.

Orton i n Denver with no distractions will win me this bet

B4, you don't want that bet my friend .... :nono:

TailgateNut
01-18-2010, 06:46 AM
Let me start by saying....I wouldn't have traded Jay Cutler...I think his talent is second to none. Having said that. This is telling:'

Jeremy Bates choosing Seattle over Chicago!

Why is that so telling. The obvious...had Bates gone to Chicago and turned Cutler around. Let's say he got Jay to throw 30TD's and 15INT's...he would have been set up nicely for a potential head-coaching gig. He's just not going to get that type of visability in Seattle.

Bates not wanting to go to Chicago...really does say alot.


:rofl:Holy BAT****!!

BroncoBuff
01-18-2010, 06:49 AM
:rofl:Holy BAT****!!

Yeah Hamrob ... maybe you should say his "physical tools" are second to none. That makes more sense.

I definitely agree though, Bates deciding against a Jay reunion in Chicago is very telling.

rastaman
01-18-2010, 07:38 AM
29-19 as a starter is getting the job done. that means he is winning more than 2 games for every 1 loss he has, which means he averages around 10 wins a season.

i suppose you are one of the haters who believe we would be better with Jay, who is 24-29 for his career.

all you haters try to throw all the blame at Orton but never notice that the defense got exposed the last month and a half of the season especially in stopping the run, or that the OL fell apart and midway through the season opponents defenses were practically living in our backfield killing our running game and limiting the passing game.

All you apologist try to deflect the fact that McD archaic playing calling was exposed and along with it Orton's limitations and weaknesses.

rastaman
01-18-2010, 07:55 AM
Here's another consideration, had Pete Caroll or Shanahan replaced Lovee Smith in Chicago in 2010 would Bates had followed Caroll or Shanny to Chicago? I'd venture to say Bates didn't go to Chicago to rejoin Cutler b/c its still undetermined whether the Bears and Bates would have been on the same page Offensively and scheme wise.

rastaman
01-18-2010, 08:12 AM
Killericon,

Look, I understand the point. I think there are situations where a highly talented, highly established, well-respected veteran QB could have some valid input as to the hiring of his next coordinator.

The comedy here is that Jay is one of the least disciplined QBs in the league. He's erratic, has sub-par mechanics, questionable leadership skills and there has been turmoil surrounding him since he came into the league.

So, he's not good... he's not established... and it's highly debatable whether or not his teammates even respect him.
Why on earth would you want him going over people's resumes and conducting interviews?

Yes, I understand they have a financial commitment to him, like any team with any player. But, again... the comical part of all of this is that this is probably exactly what Cutler DOESN'T need. What Jay needs is someone to grab him by the collar and jam his face into a playbook and to beat him into either caring about his job or washing out of the league.

Either way, I'm just glad he's someone else's problem now.

Well Denver has it own problems at QB despite the trading of Cutler. Orton proved that his limited play ability was the cog for making the OL regress and even magnified Royal's sophomore slump. His throwing accuracies and foot work are atrocious at best. Orton can't hit his WR's on deep patterns consistently/accurately nor can he hit his WR's with any consistency in full stride on slant patterns. Also, Orton's lack of pocket presence and sloth footedness put tremendous pressure on his OL to protect him.

Finally, one can also argue that Orton's inefficiencies and inaccuracies which caused the Offense not to move the ball at times during games, eventually wore down the Defense of the course of the season...so could one call Orton a team Defense Killer!

Orton did not step up in the last game of the season with playoff implications while choking under pressure and gave up two interceptions for TD's!

So I say Denver has a problem at QB going into the 2010 season.

Flex Gunmetal
01-18-2010, 11:16 AM
rasta is obviously a premier quarterbacks coach. Throwing accuracies and footwork are atrocious at best? What college you play ball at rasta?

BroncoMan4ever
01-18-2010, 12:44 PM
B4, you don't want that bet my friend .... :nono:

yes i do.

top 10 in numbers by a QB

10 wins minimum

Playoff berth

you may be underestimating the guy, while he didn't have an incredible season, he had a good year, and with another year in the system, better line play, and a full offseason to work with his teammates, i truly believe he will become a top 10 QB in the league.