Scott Brown Surges Past Coakley in Mass Senator Race

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

She got her ass handed to her in a democrat state it had nothing to do with her campaign it had alot to do with obama and his agenda and the people there sent him a message loud and clear but you keep making excuses cause you will see alot more of this type of beatings.

Wrong.

She sat back on her ass and assumed that a win was guaranteed. She also made some bad media blunders, e.g., confusing sports teams (big mistake when you're trying to win the blue collar vote.)

And it's not so much a statement about Obama's agenda (which, let's face it, is not much more than republican light - particularly the "health care" bill) as voters taking their frustration with the economy out on the party in power.

[Bronx33]

Wrong.

She sat back on her ass and assumed that a win was guaranteed. She also made some bad media blunders, e.g., confusing sports teams (big mistake when you're trying to win the blue collar vote.)

And it's not so much a statement about Obama's agenda (which, let's face it, is not much more than republican light - particularly the "health care" bill) as voters taking their frustration with the economy out on the party in power.


whatever makes you sleep better.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

oh, I bumped some beauties for ya LABS. Seems you are whistling a different tune this time. All you want is this bribed filled HC bill that the majority of the country doesnt want. Your arrogance shined well a year ago.

Actually, I'm on record here saying that the HC bill is a joke and that it's just the bill the republicans wanted.

Your willingness to bend the truth only shows the insecurity of your position and exposes you as a straw man artist.

[24champ]

as voters taking their frustration with the economy out on the party in power.

Rightfully so, since the current party in power is wasting their time on a Healthcare bill that a majority of Americans do not want, and resort to bribing senators to get the votes needed.

What Americans want are jobs...and the party in power isn't doing a lot about it, especially when Dems have said the Unemployment rates would be at 8 percent...when its now hovering a little above 10 percent.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Hope to God Obama fails and the greatest Health care on the planet continues.

Hilarious!

The greatest health care on the planet?

Are you serious?

http://www.newt.org/Portals/0/UltraPhotoGallery/706/KoolAid.jpg

[Broncojef]

Wrong.

She sat back on her ass and assumed that a win was guaranteed. She also made some bad media blunders, e.g., confusing sports teams (big mistake when you're trying to win the blue collar vote.)

And it's not so much a statement about Obama's agenda (which, let's face it, is not much more than republican light - particularly the "health care" bill) as voters taking their frustration with the economy out on the party in power.

Most independents and Republicans don't generally see the bar set where GW left it. We can do a whole lot better as a nation than GW and Obama as president. This whole elction was about sending a message to Obama, his agenda, buying votes, backroom deals, worthless stimulus bills, out of control spending and a healthcare bill no one wants yet is being shoved down our throats. Her blunders were ridiculous and monumental but none more than any other democrat has overcome in past elections. Obama is nothing close to Republican light, hes a far left fascist with a radical agenda he is forcing regardless of what people really want.

[Bronx33]

Rightfully so, since the current party in power is wasting their time on a Healthcare bill that a majority of Americans do not want, and resort to bribing senators to get the votes needed.

What Americans want are jobs...and the party in power isn't doing a lot about it, especially when Dems have said the Unemployment rates would be at 8 percent...when its now hovering a little above 10 percent.


You make wayyy to much sense and that exactly why they wont understand what you are saying.

[Broncojef]

Hilarious!

The greatest health care on the planet?

Are you serious?

http://www.newt.org/Portals/0/UltraPhotoGallery/706/KoolAid.jpg

You have cancer today, need open heart surgery ASAP and can be anywhere in the world...where do you go....One answer is correct...thats right the greatest country on the planet The good ole US of A!!!!

[24champ]

I guess the voter in Mass. didn't like the Mitt Romney Health care reform while he was govenor. Its amazing Mass. doesn't like Republican HCR. Gotta luv the irony.ROFL!

As previously noted in this thread. Romney-care was fine until the Democrats in the state legislature, changed it. Romney-care has worked in covering the uninsured but that cost containment has not happened because Gov. Deval Patrick eliminated a cost and quality commission that would have brought transparency to what health-care providers were charging and eliminated price gouging.

Senator elect Brown voted for Romney-Care and the citizens of Mass. know how it all went down...and still voted for Brown. :wave:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Rightfully so, since the current party in power is wasting their time on a Healthcare bill that a majority of Americans do not want, and resort to bribing senators to get the votes needed.

It's the bill the republicans wanted.

Can't understand why you're not pleased with it.

Oh, that's right - this isn't really about health care - it's about making sure Obama fails in anything he tries to do so your party can slime back into power.

What Americans want are jobs...and the party in power isn't doing a lot about it, especially when Dems have said the Unemployment rates would be at 8 percent...when its now hovering a little above 10 percent.

Thanks to your boy Bush and the republicans, there was zero job growth during the last decade.

All those good jobs that were shipped overseas are not coming back.

And now you people are sitting back and blaming Obama.

Shameful!

[Broncojef]

Rightfully so, since the current party in power is wasting their time on a Healthcare bill that a majority of Americans do not want, and resort to bribing senators to get the votes needed.

What Americans want are jobs...and the party in power isn't doing a lot about it, especially when Dems have said the Unemployment rates would be at 8 percent...when its now hovering a little above 10 percent.

Oh he's doing something about it.....taxing the hell out of businesses and punishing banks that have paid back their loans. Not only is he not doing anything he's actually being a frickin road block and a hinderance to business and banking, the two things we need the most to pull out of this downturn.

[Bronx33]

no goverment in healthcare ( end of story)

[rastaman]

She got her ass handed to her in a democrat state it had nothing to do with her campaign it had alot to do with obama and his agenda and the people there sent him a message loud and clear but you keep making excuses cause you will see alot more of this type of beatings.

Yep Obama's biggest mistake was believing he could get by-partisan support from the Fascist Republican Congress who wanted nothing but to see Obama fall on his face and fail! Oh well we will see after night if Obama is tired of the Republicans "Spitting" in his face! And will now be willing to Take The Gloves off and test his political capital with 69 million voters who voted for him.

Its now time for Obama to take his 57 seat Democrat majority and fight fire with fire. Its obvious that the Dem's had better realize when dealing with these un-American Fascist Republican that they will loose if they play nice with Republicans or see what type of response they get from the voters who put him in the WH, by hitting the Republicans right in the mouth to get their agenda and legislation passed or go down fighting.

If the American voters won't appreciate the Dem's and Obama suddenly turning over a new leaf and "saying no more" Mr. Nice Guy and do not support the efforts.......then Liberals and progressives deserve what they get in 2012.

Democrats, progressives, and liberals must finally realize they can't trust independent Benedict Arnold voters nor Blue Dog-Yellow Dog Conservative Democrats nor the Corporate Democrats anymore.

Its time for Obama to unleash Reconciliation at strategic moments to get the legislations and Bills passed that he promised his voters or he's a one term President. And the next GOP Corporate Predatory President can take office to complete the final push to turn America into a financial 3rd world basket case.

Liberals and Progressives we have got to get off our ass.....b/c the Barbarian Republicans can smell Blood! And like the Corporate Predatory Vampire Party they truly are, they won't be satisfied this next time around until they suck the blood out of the poor and the middle class, to turn this nation back to serfdom and the Gilded Age of 1870-1920.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Broncojef vs. reality:

You have cancer today, need open heart surgery ASAP and can be anywhere in the world...where do you go....One answer is correct...thats right the greatest country on the planet The good ole US of A!!!!



The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health systems.

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

[spdirty]

Actually, I'm on record here saying that the HC bill is a joke and that it's just the bill the republicans wanted.

Yeah I see you got your government meds in today and your doing your damndest to try to act sober but that gosh darn reality has to rear its ugly head again.

OK. If it were the bill that the republicans wanted, wouldnt the republicans be, ummmm, well, VOTING FOR IT?!?!?!?!

[rastaman]

no goverment in healthcare ( end of story)

No greedy fascist Republican supported Healthcare Corporation in my Healthcare.

[JJJ]

Gotta laugh at the righties referring to the "crappy health care bill."

What are you talking about? It's exactly the bill the republi-cons wanted.

Just more evidence that this isn't so much about health care as the GOP's need to make sure Obama fails (and is perceived as a failure) in everything he tries to do.

No, simply not true. The zero votes by Republicans should have been your first clue there.

Repubs want cross state selling of policies and tort reform as a logical first step.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

no goverment in healthcare - except when it comes protecting insurance industry profiteers and monopolies and making sure the insurance industry operates with impunity and with no accountability ( end of story).

Fixed.

[Broncojef]

It's the bill the republicans wanted.

Can't understand why you're not pleased with it.

Oh, that's right - this isn't really about health care - it's about making sure Obama fails in anything he tries to do so your party can slime back into power.



Thanks to your boy Bush and the republicans, there was zero job growth during the last decade.

All those good jobs that were shipped overseas are not coming back.

And now you people are sitting back and blaming Obama.

Shameful!

Good thing Barrack was at the helm or we would have hit 8% unemployment. Remember the sign the stimulus bill now, don't read it, pass it now or we'll crash into a depression. That 8% is looking damn good right now there Barry!!! If you think Barry is behind anything, anything at all that is stimulating the economy you are on serious drugs!!! Did you see the market spike today on the solid sign Scott Brown may win and kill this HC bill? I bet the market goes up 200 points tomorrow on the news the HC bill probably will die. If you have money get it in early tomorrow cause those futures are gonna be spiking.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No, simply not true. The zero votes by Republicans should have been your first clue there.


It's not about the votes - it's about all the concessions Obama had to make in order to get to the final bill.

At the end of the day, all off the options the rethugs opposed were removed.

[spdirty]

The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health systems.

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
:spit:and I bet after today they punish us by bumping us down to 50.

[spdirty]

No greedy fascist Republican supported Healthcare Corporation in my Healthcare.

Yeah I see your government meds came it today as well. Your not even trying to act sober.ROFL!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If you think Barry is behind anything, anything at all that is stimulating the economy you are on serious drugs!!!

If Bush and the repugs hadn't left this country in a state of economic ruin then we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

[Broncojef]

Broncojef vs. reality:

Hahahaha yeah you go to one of those other countries then LALA....I have healthcare because I work and I don't need a free handout program and I'll stay in the USA over any list those quacks make up. I was stationed all over the world and have seen alot of those countries up close and they aren't even close to America. In Italy I had a buddy that got free care and had to be medivacd to America to save his life and while there we as GIs had to bring him all his food cause the docs didn't care.

[Spider]

You have cancer today, need open heart surgery ASAP and can be anywhere in the world...where do you go....One answer is correct...thats right the greatest country on the planet The good ole US of A!!!!

sorry guy but no ...........My aunt nd the rest like her prefer france ...........the hospitials look more like vet offices , no frills , but the healthcare and the price cant be matched

[Dukes]

Finally the people of Mass did something right. This is only a small sign of things to come. First it was the Virginia Governor election, then New Jersey. Barry's going to pull out all the stops now to get any legislation done, he has to because come November it's not going to be easy for any of his crap to get through.

[24champ]

It's the bill the republicans wanted.


Doesn't really matter what the Republicans wanted, IMO they are irrelevant at this stage, Independents are driving this whole thing...majority of them have health insurance that they are pleased with. Which is why your seeing independents trend towards conservative/republican nominees.

It seems like buyers remorse right now among voters, everyone bought into the change we can believe in slogan...but reality is that it's politics as usual in DC. Bribing Senators for votes on an unpopular healthcare bill will piss the people off. Doesn't matter which party it is.

[Broncojef]

If Bush and the repugs hadn't left this country in a state of economic ruin then we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Barry had all the answers...he ran saying he was gonna fix it. Why the hell did he run if he didn't have answers to solve the problems we elected him for? Stop with the damn finger pointing...its your boy in charge running it further into the ground all he can do is play the name game. STFU and fix it Barry, your an intellectual and have all the answers. Palin was an imbocile for not having any experience and barry was given a free ride. Well thats come full circle to bite us in the ass.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

OK. If it were the bill that the republicans wanted, wouldnt the republicans be, ummmm, well, VOTING FOR IT?!?!?!?!

They didn't have to.

The blue dogs and Traitor Joe did the dirty work of watering down the bill for them.

In the end, it didn't matter which way they voted - they were going to get what they wanted either way.

Voting against the bill is just theater to keep the base happy, i.e., to appear to oppose everything Obama is trying to do.

[rastaman]

look at LA and rasta dance! feel the burn b****es!

Hey look here slut-a-ronney! Its only a special election for the vacant Senate seat of Ted Kennedy. In two years we will see whether the Fraud and nothing to offer Scott Brownshirt can hang on to his corporate fascist Republican't Senate seat. See Ya in 2012. :sunshine:

[Dukes]

They didn't have to.

The blue dogs and Traitor Joe did the dirty work of watering down the bill for them.

In the end, it didn't matter which way they voted - they were going to get what they wanted either way.

Voting against the bill is just theater to keep the base happy, i.e., to appear to oppose everything Obama is trying to do.

After seeing what happened tonight, there's absolutely ZERO chance those blue dogs will be voting for Obamacare. They'd rather stay in DC.

[Broncojef]

They didn't have to.

The blue dogs and Traitor Joe did the dirty work of watering down the bill for them.

In the end, it didn't matter which way they voted - they were going to get what they wanted either way.

Voting against the bill is just theater to keep the base happy, i.e., to appear to oppose everything Obama is trying to do.

OBAMA=FAIL he doesn't need any help

[Bronx33]

This just in COAKLEY GETS ASS RAPED!! by her own constituants!!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Barry had all the answers...he ran saying he was gonna fix it.

But if Bush and your party hadn't screwed things up, we wouldn't be sitting here talking about "fixing" anything. :welcome:

In any event, how long did it take Clinton to fix the mess Poppy and Saint Ron left behind?

Two terms.

And the mess Clinton inherited was a walk in the park compared to the colossal sh_t sandwich Obama inherited.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

OBAMA=FAIL he doesn't need any help

Doesn't need the House and Senate?

Looks like somebody skipped American Government. :giggle:

[Dukes]

But if Bush and your party hadn't screwed things up, we wouldn't be sitting here talking about "fixing" anything. :welcome:

In any event, how long did it take Clinton to fix the mess Poppy and Saint Ron left behind?

Two terms.

And the mess Clinton inherited was a walk in the park compared to the colossal sh_t sandwich Obama inherited.

That liberal controlled congress didn't have ANYTHING to do about it either, right? It was all that dumb ape that can barely tie his own shoes :rofl:

[JJJ]

"if you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. if you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain." - Winston Churchill

Fortunately the teenagers who voted Obama in stayed home tonight. It was a school night.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Independents are driving this whole thing...majority of them have health insurance that they are pleased with.

Really?

Where is the data to support this?

[spdirty]

They didn't have to.

The blue dogs and Traitor Joe did the dirty work of watering down the bill for them.

In the end, it didn't matter which way they voted - they were going to get what they wanted either way.

Voting against the bill is just theater to keep the base happy, i.e., to appear to oppose everything Obama is trying to do.

oh bull****. Watering down the bill was to make it less obscene in case it did pass. If this was the bill the republicans WANTED, the Brown election would not have mattered in the least.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That liberal controlled congress didn't have ANYTHING to do about it either, right? It was all that dumb ape that can barely tie his own shoes :rofl:

:rofl:

"Liberal controlled?"

Hello?

Your party had control of the WH and both chambers until '06.

Then, after the Dems won back a slim majority, your party blocked everything they tried to do.

You win the blue ribbon for revisionism. :thumbsup:

[Broncojef]

But if Bush and your party hadn't screwed things up, we wouldn't be sitting here talking about "fixing" anything. :welcome:

In any event, how long did it take Clinton to fix the mess Poppy and Saint Ron left behind?

Two terms.

And the mess Clinton inherited was a walk in the park compared to the colossal sh_t sandwich Obama inherited.

First Bush wasn't my boy and second I'm proud of the accomplishments of Ronald Reagan. Clinton wasn't my boy either but he was smart enough to balance the budget and change course when he got his ass whooped when he went too far left. I didn't mind Clinton's taxes because it was good for our country and paid down debt...I respected him for that. Obama is taking the ship from stormy seas and leading us over a waterfall. He was elected because Bush spent too much, now Barry is making Bush's spending look like chump change. If you didn't have a clue other than a power grab you shouldn't have run Barry!!!

[Broncojef]

Really?

Where is the data to support this?

You watched it happen 52% to 47% in a Democratic state....the proof is right there my man!!!

[Broncojef]

:rofl:

"Liberal controlled?"

Hello?

Your party had control of the WH and both chambers until '06.

Then, after the Dems won back a slim majority, your party blocked everything they tried to do.

You win the blue ribbon for revisionism. :thumbsup:

And when did the crisis in America start? About 06 and came home to roost in 09. Hopefully we can block their ideas again and get the ship righted.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If this was the bill the republicans WANTED, the Brown election would not have mattered in the least.

Wrong.

What matters - the ONLY thing that matters to republicans - is blocking anything and everything Obama tries to do.

[spdirty]

Really?

Where is the data to support this?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_massachusetts_senate

[24champ]

On another note, Mitt Romney's prospects for 2012 is looking pretty good right now.

[rastaman]

Finally the people of Mass did something right. This is only a small sign of things to come. First it was the Virginia Governor election, then New Jersey. Barry's going to pull out all the stops now to get any legislation done, he has to because come November it's not going to be easy for any of his crap to get through.

Naw, all Barry needs to do is trust the 69 million voters who put him office! The 69 million voters did not vote for Obama for him to make nice with the Fascist Republican Party.

The 69 million voters who put Obama in office want him to show leadership and vision to get single-payer healthcare signed, and even thru Reconciliation if thats the only option. Its time for Obama to call the bluffs of the Republicans and the Blue dog conservative Democrats and the Corporate Democrats and simple go about getting his legistlation passed.

Obama needs to realize it better to lose b/c you were bold and measured vs losing b/c you were timid and afraid of the opposition party who wanted you to fail in the first place.

If the 69 million voters don't support you by getting out the vote in 2010 and 2012....oh well at least you tried, you didn't fail......the 69 million voters failed you.

So Dukes, lets see if you Facsist Un-American Republican'ts have under estimated Obama and have Awaken a sleeping Giant!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And when did the crisis in America start? About 06 and came home to roost in 09. Hopefully we can block their ideas again and get the ship righted.

Ha ha ha! :rofl:

Your ability to revise history as you go along is amazing.

Yep, the "ship" was right as rain when the GOP controlled all three branches.

And the chocolate ration has been increased from four grams to three grams... ;)

[rastaman]

And when did the crisis in America start? About 06 and came home to roost in 09. Hopefully we can block their ideas again and get the ship righted.

Hopefully Obama calls your bluff and strategically uses Reconciliation just like Reagan and the Bush's used to get their corporate agenda and legislation passed.

[bpc]

Wrong.

What matters - the ONLY thing that matters to republicans - is blocking anything and everything Obama tries to do.

Well according to polls, that means we're on the side of the people.

Dems lose but I'm sure that won't detour their radical plan for us all.

[spdirty]

Wrong.

What matters - the ONLY thing that matters to republicans - is blocking anything and everything Obama tries to do.

:thumbsup: Tonight Obama got health care reform shoved up his ass. In 10 months the country cuts his nuts off. In 34 months the nightmare is over.

[Bronx33]

Wrong.

What matters - the ONLY thing that matters to republicans - is blocking anything and everything Obama tries to do.



Ummmm maybe thats a good thing. ROFL!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_massachusetts_senate

Can you post the part that shows that "the majority of independent voters are happy with their health care?"

That was the question.

[24champ]

Really?

Where is the data to support this?

Do a little research. Independents have been driving the New Jersey, Virginia, and now Mass. wins for Republicans.

Also from SPdirty's link.

"I voted for Obama because I wanted change. ... I thought he'd bring it to us, but I just don't like the direction that he's heading," said John Triolo, 38, a registered independent who voted in Fitchburg.

[spdirty]

Can you post the part that shows that "the majority of independent voters are happy with their health care?"

That was the question.

I see the gov't meds have kicked in hard now. Think its bedtime for you bud.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

:thumbsup: Tonight Obama got health care reform shoved up his ass.

Not true.

There are still ways to get the bill passed.

In any event, I know you'd like to think this election was a referendum on health care and/or Obama's agenda, but it's really a referendum on the state of the economy.


In 10 months the country cuts his nuts off. In 34 months the nightmare is over.

If you're expecting a replay of 1994, then you are going to be very disappointed.

Sure, you'll pick up some seats, but that's to be expected no matter what.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I see the gov't meds have kicked in hard now. Think its bedtime for you bud.

I'll take that as a "no, I can't show where the article I linked supports Champ24's claim re: independent voters and health care."

You are just as intellectually dishonest as ever. tsk tsk

[Bronx33]

Not true.

There are still ways to get the bill passed.

In any event, I know you'd like to think this election was a referendum on health care and/or Obama's agenda, but it's really a referendum on the state of the economy.



If you're expecting a replay of 1994, then you are going to be very disappointed.

Sure, you'll pick up some seats, but that's to be expected no matter what.


And that will throw the 2012 elections in the toilet ( i really how its worth it) and it still leaves 12 million without heathcare.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Do a little research. Independents have been driving the New Jersey, Virginia, and now Mass. wins for Republicans.

Also from SPdirty's link.

But that's not what you claimed.

You claimed that "the majority of independent voters are happy with their health care."

I asked you for the data that would support this claim.

So far, nada.

[spdirty]

Not true.

There are still ways to get the bill passed.

In any event, I know you'd like to think this election was a referendum on health care and/or Obama's agenda, but it's really a referendum on the state of the economy.



If you're expecting a replay of 1994, then you are going to be very disappointed.

Sure, you'll pick up some seats, but that's to be expected no matter what.

If your boys try to cram it through against the will of the people http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/11/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6084856.shtml then it will be an all out bloodbath in November.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And that will throw the 2012 elections in the toilet

What?

Getting the bill passed?

How?

[rastaman]

On another note, Mitt Romney's prospects for 2012 is looking pretty good right now.

I've often wanted a general election to where Republicans and Independents will join forces against Liberals and Progressives and see who has the most voters. Lets have massive voter turn out on both sides and see what happens.

[Bronx33]

If your boys try to cram it through against the will of the people http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/11/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6084856.shtml then it will be an all out bloodbath in November.

Dems wont sniff a presidency for decades.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If your boys try to cram it through against the will of the people http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/11/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6084856.shtml then it will be an all out bloodbath in November.

Against the "will of the people?"

Ha ha ha!

Funniest comment ever.

Poll after poll shows that the majority of Americans WANT health care reform.

[Bronx33]

What?

Getting the bill passed?

How?

obama not being president anymore duhhhhh.

[rastaman]

Dems wont sniff a presidency for decades.

Republicans still haven't washed of the stink of Gw Bush yet. You stealth Republican. LOL

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Dems wont sniff a presidency for decades.

I wouldn't be that optimistic, if I were you.

As disappointing as the Dems may be, the memory of just how bad your party f_cked things up is still fresh in people's minds.

[spdirty]

Against the "will of the people?"

Ha ha ha!

Funniest comment ever.

Poll after poll shows that the majority of Americans WANT health care reform.

Hilarious!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

[Bronx33]

Against the "will of the people?"

Ha ha ha!

Funniest comment ever.

Poll after poll shows that the majority of Americans WANT health care reform.



Yes they do want heathcare reform you nitwit! they just don't want goverment ran healthcare which was rubbed in your face today if you were not paying attention.

[Dukes]

Poll after poll shows that the majority of Americans WANT health care reform.

No **** sherlock, just not a government takeover.

[Bronx33]

I wouldn't be that optimistic, if I were you.

As disappointing as the Dems may be, the memory of just how bad your party f_cked things up is still fresh in people's minds.


Obama is doing more damage than you think sunshine.

[rastaman]

obama not being president anymore duhhhhh.

Still under estimating Obama....are ya! Okay, I don't want hear any crying from all you independent-Republicans when Obama comes swinging! I want to see Conservative-Independent Republican'ts "Knuckle Up" and get ready for Fist-A-Cuffs!LOL

[24champ]

Can you post the part that shows that "the majority of independent voters are happy with their health care?"

That was the question.

But the biggest problem in 2009 was not really that liberals didn't turn out to vote. The problem was that the Democrats lost Independents and moderates. Take Virginia. There was a substantial drop-off in Democratic performance from 2008 to 2009. But the real change this year is how Independents voted (as was the case in 2006). Independents in Virginia voted 49%-48% for Obama in 2008, but gave Bob McDonnell a 66%-33% landslide win in 2009.

http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/12/18/the-health-care-bill-is-political-suicide/

It doesn't take a genius to figure out who is really pissed off. It's the independents that are breaking away from the radical left agenda.

[ant1999e]

The people of Mass. have spoken. No more change.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yes they do want heathcare you nitwit! they just don't want goverment ran healthcare

Wrong, dumbass.

You obviously don't pay attention to polls (except when it's convenient.)



...which was rubbed in your face today if you were not paying attention.

Wrong again.

You want to believe that today's election was a referendum on health care when it was really an expression of voter dissatisfaction with the state of the economy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/12/18/the-health-care-bill-is-political-suicide/

It doesn't take a genius to figure out who is really pissed off. It's the independents that are breaking away from the radical left agenda.

You still haven't answered my question:

Where is the data to establish your claim that "most independent voters are happy with their health care?"

[Bronx33]

Still under estimating Obama....are ya! Okay, I don't want hear any crying from all you independent-Republicans when Obama comes swinging! I want to see Conservative-Independent Republican'ts "Knuckle Up" and get ready for Fist-A-Cuffs!LOL


FIST-A-CUFFS????? Holy **** you have no idea what is really going on in the US other that what MSNBC tells you and if you havent noticed obama is butter soft hes a b**** other countries are laughing at him and his cluelessness ( just watch what iran does) obama really has no clue what hes doing and neither does his progressive czars.

[ant1999e]

You still haven't answered my question:

Where is the data to establish your claim that "most independent voters are happy with their health care?"

How about most voters period.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

"just 38% of voters nationwide favor the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That matches the lowest level of support yet. Fifty-six percent (56%) of voters oppose the plan."

[rastaman]

Obama is doing more damage than you think sunshine.

Of course Obama is doing damage in the eyes of the voters that didn't vote for him. As far as for the inpatient unrealistic independent voters F*@kem if you can't depend on their vote why except the vote in the first place....they should have just voted for Republicans.....the Democrats can win in 2012 w/o Benedict Arnold Independents.

There are enough Liberal and Progressive voters out there to win the 2012 General Election by 2-5 million votes.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No **** sherlock, just not a government takeover.

In Poll, Wide Support for Government-Run Health

Published: June 20, 2009

Americans overwhelmingly support substantial changes to the health care system and are strongly behind one of the most contentious proposals Congress is considering, a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/health/policy/21poll.html


Poll: Most Back Public Health Care Option
CBS News/New York Times Survey Shows Most Americans Approve Of Government Intervention In Health Care Coverage

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/19/opinion/polls/main5098517.shtml

Another Poll Shows Majority Support for Single-Payer

http://www.healthcare-now.org/another-poll-shows-majority-support-for-single-payer/

More sources on request.

[ant1999e]

Of course Obama is doing damage in the eyes of the voters that didn't vote for him. As far as for the inpatient unrealistic independent voters F*@kem if you can't depend on their vote why except the vote in the first place....they should have just voted for Republicans.....the Democrats can win in 2012 w/o Benedict Arnold Independents.

There are enough Liberal and Progressive voters out there to win the 2012 General Election by 2-5 million votes.

That's the attitude that is killing this administration.

[Dukes]

Got anything current?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

How about most voters period.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

"just 38% of voters nationwide favor the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That matches the lowest level of support yet. Fifty-six percent (56%) of voters oppose the plan."

Even if you take this single poll at face value, the subject of the poll is Obama's health care plan - not the question of whether voters favor some sort of government-run health care.

[bpc]

[B]





More sources on request.

People prefer unbiased stats thanks.

People wouldn't even feel that strongly about healthcare if the unemployment rate wasn't so bad. Obama should get started on the real problems instead of his socialist agenda... and here's a clue for you... everybody working for the government isn't going to fix this economy. ;)

[Bronx33]

Wrong, dumbass.

You obviously don't pay attention to polls (except when it's convenient.)



Wrong again.

You want to believe that today's election was a referendum on health care when it was really an expression of voter dissatisfaction with the state of the economy.


here ya go 56% say cram it in your ass quit listening to that baffoon ed shultz the question should be ( do you want obamas version of HCR) (NOT DO YOU WANT HCR) which ed shults quotes every freaking day like it means something.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform


notice this poll says (the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama )

[rastaman]

FIST-A-CUFFS????? Holy **** you have no idea what is really going on in the US other that what MSNBC tells you and if you havent noticed obama is butter soft hes a b**** other countries are laughing at him and his cluelessness ( just watch what iran does) obama really has no clue what hes doing and neither does his progressive czars.

Okay we will see. Point is Dumb Ass, like I told you earlier I don't want to see you crying and complaining should Obama says ENOUGH! And takes off the gloves.....and makes the conservatives-independent Republicans put up or shutup! I don't want to hear you call foul or unfair etc.....when Obama strategically uses Reconciliation to over come the Party of No Un-American Republican'ts, who secret are hoping for Obama to fail.

Reagan and the Bush's crammed Reconciliation votes down the throats of Americans to get their agenda passed, so Obama can and will do the same and let the voters decide at the polls. After all Republican Presidents rolled the dice and did just that.

[Bronx33]

That's the attitude that is killing this administration.


Exactly..

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

here ya go 56% say cram it in your ass quit listening to that baffoon ed shultz the question should be ( do you want obamas version of HCR) (NOT DO YOU WANT HCR) which ed shults quotes every freaking day like it means something.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform


notice this poll says (the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama )

The poll you are citing addresses Obama's HC plan - not the question of whether the majority favor some kind of government-run health care or not.

[Bronx33]

Okay we will see. Point is Dumb Ass, like I told you earlier I don't want to see you crying and complaining should Obama says ENOUGH! And takes off the gloves.....and makes the conservatives-independent Republicans put up or shutup! I don't want to hear you call foul or unfair etc.....when Obama strategically uses Reconciliation to over come the Party of No Un-American Republican'ts, who secret are hoping for Obama to fail.

Reagan and the Bush's crammed Reconciliation votes down the throats of Americans to get their agenda passed, so Obama can and will do the same and let the voters decide at the polls. After all Republican Presidents rolled the dice and did just that.



Can you get through one post without bringing up a previous administration like it actually has anything to do with whats going on ( right now) and just so you know ( it has nothing to do with it) it isn't a arguing point it doesn't help you point of view ( it does nothing) but make you look like a whiner.

[Bronx33]

The poll you are citing addresses Obama's HC plan - not the question of whether the majority favor some kind of government-run health care or not.


Holy****! you're clueless. ROFL!

[spdirty]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/he...cy/21poll.html


dated June 20



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5098517.shtml


dated June 20




http://www.healthcare-now.org/anothe...-single-payer/
Jesus, February of last year??


More sources on request.

maybe go all out and totally embarrass yourself and find a poll from the 70's.

[Dukes]

Holy****! you're clueless. ROFL!

No he's just playing the game.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

People prefer unbiased stats thanks.

Ha ha ha!

The inevitable "shoot the messenger."

Obama should get started on the real problems instead of his socialist agenda...

Hilarious!

"Socialist" agenda?

More like "Republican light" agenda.

So far he's done a fine job of extending Bush's policies - I would think you'd be happy with him.

I know the same Wall St. paymasters who told Bush and the rethugs what to do supported Obama 100%.

[rastaman]

People prefer unbiased stats thanks.

People wouldn't even feel that strongly about healthcare if the unemployment rate wasn't so bad. Obama should get started on the real problems instead of his socialist agenda... and here's a clue for you... everybody working for the government isn't going to fix this economy. ;)

Yep! The first thing Obama needs to do is strategically use the Reconciliation the same way Cheney-Bush used reconciliation when the Repub. only had 50 seats in the Senate.

Obama needs to call their bluff and basically see....F*#K you Republicans.....you used Reconciliation to cramm your agenda and legislation thru, what good for the goose is good for the gander.

Hopefully Obama has now woken up and realize its time to SCREW By-Partisan and reaching across the isle to shake hands with RATTLE SNAKE Republicans.

[Dukes]

dated June 20





dated June 20


Jesus, February of last year??




maybe go all out and totally embarrass yourself and find a poll from the 70's.

Hilarious!:rofl::spit:LOLHa!

[Bronx33]

No he's just playing the game.

it appears so but iam still sticking with ( clueless)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

dated June 20





dated June 20


Jesus, February of last year??




maybe go all out and totally embarrass yourself and find a poll from the 70's.

And your point is?

Do you have more current data to show that most Americans oppose some sort of government-run health care?

No, you don't.

You have cited one poll that shows disapproval for the current bill.

Not the same thing, eh? :welcome:

[Dukes]

Ha ha ha!

The inevitable "shoot the messenger."



Hilarious!

"Socialist" agenda?

More like "Republican light" agenda.

So far he's done a fine job of extending Bush's policies - I would think you'd be happy with him.

I know the same Wall St. paymasters who told Bush and the rethugs what to do supported Obama 100%.

Of course you do, you're an idiot.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

it appears so but iam still sticking with ( clueless)

I'm sticking with your usual inability to make *difficult* distinctions. Ha!

[bpc]

BWAAAAAAAAA BUSH CAUSED THE DEMS TO LOSE A SENATE SEAT IN MA!!!!! EVEN AFTER RETIREMENT, HE'S STILL SCREWING US!!! BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAA!!!!

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[bpc]

dated June 20





dated June 20


Jesus, February of last year??




maybe go all out and totally embarrass yourself and find a poll from the 70's.

SP for the win!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Of course you do, you're an idiot.

You're an idiot if you can't see how Obama has continued or extended Bush's policies.

Why do you think the same Wall Street power brokers who backed the neocons backed Obama so unanimously?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

SP for the win!

Um, I believe that in order to win you have to first put points on the board. :welcome:

[rastaman]

Can you get through one post without bringing up a previous administration like it actually has anything to do with whats going on ( right now) and just so you know ( it has nothing to do with it) it isn't a arguing point it doesn't help you point of view ( it does nothing) but make you look like a whiner.

Bush just left office one year ago. I can't help you ate lead paint and have a short memory. By the way you should already know no one is buying your robotic Republican BullShiiat. You haven't decided whether you're a Republican, and Independent, or a bottom of the pile Tea Bagger....so why should anyone listen to a whinner like you.

Why don't you admit it......you skirt wearing Crying Ass indep. tea bag Republican'ts will yell like little girls if Obama takes his 57 seat Dem Majority (F*@K Liberman) and starts using Reconciliation the way Reagan and Bushed used Reconciliation when they only had 50 seats.

Man up you Fence Straddling Tea Bagger Independent Sissy.

[Dukes]

You're an idiot if you can't see how Obama has continued or extended Bush's policies.

Why do you think the same Wall Street power brokers who backed the neocons backed Obama so unanimously?

I'll give you the benifit of the doubt, because understanding meaning over the internet can be difficult. But that's not what I was commenting on. It hilarious that you think the right was happy with what Bush was doing

[Bronx33]

I'm sticking with your usual inability to make *difficult* distinctions. Ha!


Ya it was real tough to tell the difference between ( do you want heathcare reform) vs ( do you want obama version of healthcare reform) but sadly you and ed shultz had a problem with it. Hilarious!

[Bronx33]

Bush just left office one year ago. I can't help you ate lead paint and have a short memory. By the way you should already know no one is buying your robotic Republican BullShiiat. You haven't decided whether you're a Republican, and Independent, or a bottom of the pile Tea Bagger....so why should anyone listen to a whinner like you.

Why don't you admit it......you skirt wearing Crying Ass indep. tea bag Republican'ts will yell like little girls if Obama takes his 57 seat Dem Majority (F*@K Liberman) and starts using Reconciliation the way Reagan and Bushed used Reconciliation when they only had 50 seats.

Man up you Fence Straddling Tea Bagger Independent Sissy.


Ok can you give me a date when obama is actually responsiable for his actions?

[Dukes]

Ok can you give me a date when obama is actually responsiable for his actions?

2037. Does that work?

[rastaman]

That's the attitude that is killing this administration.

No whats killing the Obama Administration is that he is too F*@king NICE! He needs to simple politically tell the Republican Lizards in the Congress to go F*@k themselves and screw reaching across the isle for Bi-partinship BS.

Obama's mistake was trying to be a Statesman when dealing with Repub. Thugs.

[Bronx33]

2037. Does that work?


Bwaaaaaahahhahahaaaa!!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ya it was real tough to tell the difference between ( do you want heathcare reform) vs ( do you want obama version of healthcare reform) but sadly you and ed shultz had a problem with it. Hilarious!

Um, no.

It's obvious that you and other righties here have a problem with that particular distinction insofar as you see today's election as a referendum on health care reform.

Lots of right-wingnuts arguing on this thread that America is #1 when it comes to health care, nothing needs to change, etc.

[rastaman]

Ok can you give me a date when obama is actually responsiable for his actions?

For what actons...for being too nice? For attempting to reach across the Isle for hopes of Bi-partisionship? What are you talking about?

[Bronx33]

No whats killing the Obama Administration is that he is too F*@king NICE! He needs to simple politically tell the Republican Lizards in the Congress to F*@k themselves and screw reaching across the isle for Bi-partinship BS.

Obama's mistake was trying to be a Statesman when dealing with Repub. Thugs.



What rasta really means is obama isn't progessive/socialist enough and what bi- partinship?

[Dukes]

No whats killing the Obama Administration is that he is too F*@king NICE! He needs to simple politically tell the Republican Lizards in the Congress to F*@k themselves and screw reaching across the isle for Bi-partinship BS.

Obama's mistake was trying to be a Statesman when dealing with Repub. Thugs.

Well if what you say is true, he's dumber than I thought. He doesn't need to deal with any Repubs. All he had to do is shove his POS legislation through both chambers and call it good. You think Obama is going to run the risk of being "nice" (as you say) and not let this bill pass. Wow you're a couple fries short of a happy meal.

[spdirty]

Do you have more current data to show that most Americans oppose some sort of government-run health care?



You have cited one poll that shows disapproval for the current bill.

ROFL!LOLHilarious!:spit:Ha!

Like I said, its bedtime.:wave:

[Dukes]

Um, no.

It's obvious that you and other righties here have a problem with that particular distinction insofar as you see today's election as a referendum on health care reform.

Lots of right-wingnuts arguing on this thread that America is #1 when it comes to health care, nothing needs to change, etc.

Wrong again. Things need to change, but you progressive hooligans aren't the answer to the problems.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

ROFL!LOLHilarious!:spit:Ha!

Like I said, its bedtime.

I'll take that as a "no, I don't have more current data that shows the majority of Americans oppose some kind of government-run health care."

[rastaman]

What rasta really means is obama isn't progessive/socialist enough and what bi- partinship?

What's wrong Bronx......Obama isn't corporate eough for ya! Its time to play hard ball with you nazi dong sucking Republicans. Obama won't win the respect of these Rattle Snake Republicans untill he goe up to them and "Hits them in the Mouth" politically...and merely say let the chips fall where they may.

Politics is a contact sport! You can't use statemanship and reaching across the isle with the thug element of the Republican GOP and its Congress.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Wrong again. Things need to change, but you progressive hooligans aren't the answer to the problems.

What have regressives like you offered by way of a solution to the health care crisis?

Absolutely nothing (unless continuing the status quo counts.)

The Bush years are all the evidence we need.

[rastaman]

Wrong again. Things need to change, but you progressive hooligans aren't the answer to the problems.

Neither are you reptilian bottom feeding ReThuglicans.

[Dukes]

What's wrong Bronx......Obama isn't corporate eough for ya! Its time to play hard ball with you nazi dong sucking Republicans. Obama won't win the respect of these Rattle Snake Republicans untill he goe up to them and "Hits them in the Mouth" politically...and merely say let the chips fall where they may.

Politics is a contact sport! You can't use statemanship and reaching across the isle with the thug element of the Republican GOP and its Congress.

You mean the congress that, up until tonight, couldn't go a thing to stop Obamas grea healthcare reform bill?

[Garcia Bronco]

Olololololololololz.

[rastaman]

Well if what you say is true, he's dumber than I thought. He doesn't need to deal with any Repubs. All he had to do is shove his POS legislation through both chambers and call it good. You think Obama is going to run the risk of being "nice" (as you say) and not let this bill pass. Wow you're a couple fries short of a happy meal.

Nope! All Obama needs to do is use Reconciliation strategecally just as the Bushes and Reagan used it. Raygun and Bush didn't give a GOD DAM about blow back or repercussions with using Reconciliation.

[Dukes]

Nope! All Obama needs to do is use Reconciliation strategecally just as the Bushes and Reagan used it. Raygun and Bush didn't give a GOD DAM about blow back or repercussions with using Reconciliation.

So what's Barry waiting for?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Wow.

The progressive dem agenda is dead in the water. Watch 'dem cockroaches scatter.

[Bronx33]

For what actons...for being too nice? For attempting to reach across the Isle for hopes of Bi-partisionship? What are you talking about?

Stay on subject limpdick it seems for every obama failure you commies simply blame the previous administration and i will give an example with home land security and the christmas fruit of the boom terrorist where janet had a freaking year to go through a system that had holes (and didn't) and obama added a little comment in that said we are dealing with a system that was in place years ago.

Janet should have gone throught the system asap!! and didn't and obama shoveled the blame to bush as usual so the question is (again) when does obama take responsibility for his actions?

[24champ]

You still haven't answered my question:

Where is the data to establish your claim that "most independent voters are happy with their health care?"

I have to admit I haven't found any polling that shows whether independents are happy with their insurance or not.

One thing is certain though, Independents don't like the current health care proposals. Looking at the Bay State voters (52 percent independents) they voted for Brown, who repeatedly said he would vote against the Health Care bill. Same is seen in the recent VA, and NJ elections.

To me that shows that most independents want to keep their choice of what insurance they want...not to be forced to have govt. insurance down the road in 2014. I think Obama needs to step back and realize that this isn't a winning issue for him. What is the winning issue is jobs...if Obama can get more jobs for Americans then he should be sitting pretty good.

[TailgateNut]

Hope to God Obama fails and the greatest Health care on the planet continues. Thank You Massachusetts!!!!


Nothing like verifying ones' stupidity. Great job Jef!

[Dukes]

Neither are you reptilian bottom feeding ReThuglicans.

Never said they were. Unlike you, I don't think the future of this country is dependant on greedy politicians.

[Bronx33]

What's wrong Bronx......Obama isn't corporate eough for ya! Its time to play hard ball with you nazi dong sucking Republicans. Obama won't win the respect of these Rattle Snake Republicans untill he goe up to them and "Hits them in the Mouth" politically...and merely say let the chips fall where they may.

Politics is a contact sport! You can't use statemanship and reaching across the isle with the thug element of the Republican GOP and its Congress.


Answer the qestion a-hole ( what bi- partinship?)

[spdirty]

I'll take that as a "no, I don't have more current data that shows the majority of Americans oppose some kind of government-run health care."

well, I googled poll and "some kind of government-run health care" and there were no results. http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=poll+%22some+kind+of+government+run+health+care% 22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&oq=poll+%22some+kind+of+government+run+health+care %22&fp=e8d6ef47431c6a4a So once again your being stupid. The issue is not "some kind of government run health care", the issue is what Obama is trying (failing) to pass.

The data your asking for is about as useless as asking for data on how people feel about your small penis. Nobody cares. What matters is whats being fought right now.

For the 3rd time, its bedtime. :welcome:

[Dukes]

Answer the qestion a-hole ( what bi- partinship?)

I guess he consideres Obama negotiating and bribing fellow democrats bipartisanship :rofl:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I have to admit I haven't found any polling that shows whether independents are happy with their insurance or not.

Thanks for the honesty on that account.

One thing is certain though, Independents don't like the current health care proposals.

I don't think anybody likes the current proposals.

That said, no one on this thread has refuted the evidence that a majority still favor some kind of government-run health care.

[Garcia Bronco]

What an indictment! LMass votes against the reigning party to help kill this bill.

[24champ]

"In many ways the campaign in Massachusetts became a referendum not only on health care reform but also on the openness and integrity of our government process. It is vital that we restore the respect of the American people in our system of government and in our leaders. To that end, I believe it would only be fair and prudent that we suspend further votes on health care legislation until Senator-elect Brown is seated."

-Jim Webb (D)


Well that's one democrat with a clue....

[Garcia Bronco]

-Jim Webb (D)


Well that's one democrat with a clue....

that's why I voted for him.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The issue is not "some kind of government run health care", the issue is what Obama is trying (failing) to pass.

Dumbest post of the year.

It was crystal clear that you were trying to confuse those two separate issues when you posted that Rasmussen poll.

The data your asking for is about as useless as asking for data on how people feel about your small penis.

"Small" in comparison to who?

Mark Foley?

I guess you would know. Ha!

[spdirty]

That said, no one on this thread has refuted the evidence that a majority still favor some kind of government-run health care.

Hey, how bout you get off your lazy ass and find a poll that was done THIS DECADE on what people think of your dumbass little issue that means nothing.

[rastaman]

So what's Barry waiting for?

Perhaps to use it when Reptilian Republicans least expect it! Again, Raygun and the Bush's used it and basically told the voters to go F*@K themselves.:~ohyah!:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

-Jim Webb (D)


Well that's one democrat with a clue....

Not in this case, unfortunately.

He's trying to confuse the issue in the same manner as spdirty.

[Dukes]

Perhaps to use it when Reptilian Republicans least expect it! Again, Raygun and the Bush's used it and basically told the voters to go F*@K themselves.:~ohyah!:

Oh boy, you're special.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

....dumbass little issue that means nothing.

Health care a "dumbass little issue that means nothing?"

Thanks for confirming your status as a social and moral retard. :thumbs:

[rastaman]

I guess he consideres Obama negotiating and bribing fellow democrats bipartisanship :rofl:

I guess you think that the Republican Congress behaving disenginously with not working with President is a display of great Statesmanship from Republican in Congress; and not to mention all 41 Republican't senators are hoping he fails so the GOP can Return to where they left off.

[rastaman]

Oh boy, you're special.

Are you denying that Republican President did not use Reconciliation to cramm thru their agenda and legislation when they had only 50 seats?:thumbs:

Dukes ya got any comments on the Regan Bush Reconciliation Cramm Downs?:sunshine:

[24champ]

Not in this case, unfortunately.


Wait...You don't think Webb should wait until Brown is seated to vote on the current Health Care Bill?

[TexanBob]

On another note, Mitt Romney's prospects for 2012 is looking pretty good right now.

Oh, I doubt it. Tell any Republican crowd that Romney authored a mini version of ObamaCare and they'll turn on him. Then you throw in the Mormon thing and the pro-choice/pro-life flip flop and he's apt to be toast in the heartland. But that really depends on who's running against him. 2012 is a long way off but he shouldn't be gloating. Massachusetts essentially swatted down one of his 2008 campaign planks.

[bpc]

Nothing like verifying ones' stupidity. Great job Jef!

Isn't that what you do every post?

Thanks BustedNut!

[bpc]

Not in this case, unfortunately.

He's trying to confuse the issue in the same manner as spdirty.

Ha ha. He see's the writing on the wall son!

[rastaman]

Wait...You don't think Webb should wait until Brown is seated to vote on the current Health Care Bill?

Why not just use Reconciliation before Brown is even sworn in? Its not like his vote can stop a reconciliation? Remember Reagan and Bush used Reconciliation to cramm thru their unpoplar legislation....so why can't Obama?

[bpc]

-jim webb (d)


well that's one democrat with a clue....

yup!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Are you denying that Republican President did not use Reconciliation to cramm thru their agenda and legislation when they had only 50 seats?:thumbs:

Youre not getting it, Bonghead.

The American people are taking back some measure of control of what has become the political class in this country. This election was as great an example of that as any political statement I have seen in my lifetime.

Scott Brown ran on a platform of "Im here to do what the people want" and his agenda was consistent with that. This was basically the Tea Party platform with a Mass twist.

A Tea Party candidate just got elected in a Democrat state. Think about that for a minute.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ha ha. He see's the writing on the wall son!

Too bad that wall is one that only he and a few right-wing extremists can see.

Ha!

In the meantime, the evidence that a majority of Americans favor some sort of government-run health care remains undisputed.

[24champ]

Oh, I doubt it. Tell any Republican crowd that Romney authored a mini version of ObamaCare and they'll turn on him. Then you throw in the Mormon thing and the pro-choice/pro-life flip flop and he's apt to be toast in the heartland. But that really depends on who's running against him. 2012 is a long way off but he shouldn't be gloating. Massachusetts essentially swatted down one of his 2008 campaign planks.

First of all Obamacare and Romneycare are two different things. I've already pointed out why the Health Care system in the Bay state is in trouble earlier in this thread. Secondly, Scott Brown voted for Romneycare and Romney campaigned hard for him in the Bay State....yet he still won the senate seat. Hmmm.


Secondly, If Republicans have a problem with a Mormon like Romney running for President, who by all accounts is a good family man like many others that post here on Orange Mane, then it only justifies the Democrats talking point that Republicans are a bunch of bigots.

[epicSocialism4tw]

First of all Obamacare and Romneycare are two different things. I've already pointed out why the Health Care system in the Bay state is in trouble earlier in this thread. Secondly, Scott Brown voted for Romneycare and Romney campaigned hard for him in the Bay State....yet he still won the senate seat. Hmmm.


Secondly, If Republicans have a problem with a Mormon like Romney running for President, who by all accounts is a good family man like many others that post here on Orange Mane, then it only justifies the Democrats talking point that Republicans are a bunch of bigots.

The mormonism thing is overblown and just represents another disconnect between the party bosses and the electorate. The electorate is different than they realize, as is evidenced by the Scott Brown result.

[Requiem]

Yeah you guise. The writing is on the wall!

[rastaman]

Stay on subject limpdick it seems for every obama failure you commies simply blame the previous administration and i will give an example with home land security and the christmas fruit of the boom terrorist where janet had a freaking year to go through a system that had holes (and didn't) and obama added a little comment in that said we are dealing with a system that was in place years ago.

Janet should have gone throught the system asap!! and didn't and obama shoveled the blame to bush as usual so the question is (again) when does obama take responsibility for his actions?

Hey Look You Republican voting Dong sucker! You facsist independent Republican'ts blamed Clinton for how long after Bush Stole in to WH. So you can cry me a river .....you sissy. So ask you how long did it take for Bush to take accountability and stop blaming CLINTON!!!LOL

You Dumb Ass.....you always want a free pass. It Ain't Happening.:sunshine:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ha ha. He see's(sic) the writing on the wall son!

2010 as 1994? Relax, Democrats
(http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-cohen17-2010jan17,0,5650998.story)

Two Democratic senators and one governor announced their retirements earlier this month, and days later, the smart money has Ted Kennedy's Massachusetts Senate seat falling to the GOP for the first time in nearly 60 years. Suddenly, the Republicans are crowing and Democrats are trembling -- everyone says the Democratic Party is doomed in 2010. What is the source of this breathless hysteria? Memories of the 1994 Republican midterm landslide. But everyone should take a deep breath: The 2010 midterms will not be a repeat of 1994. Why? Because almost everything we think we know about the 1994 election is wrong. Newt Gingrich, soon to be speaker of the House and the putative architect of the rout, boasted, "We have a clear mandate, and we intend to be revolutionaries." Never mind that only 39% of voters showed up for the supposed referendum on the state of the nation. In fact, the [Contract with America] had almost no influence on the vote. What was most important about 1994 politically won't make or break the 2010 elections. Congress changed hands in 1994 because the Christian right recruited new voters and white Southerners shifted en masse to the GOP. Neither evangelicals nor white Southerners can swing this year's election, because they ARE the Republican Party. Tea-party activists are [evidently nothing] other than disaffected conservatives who have previously voted Republican. At this moment, the odds are better that they'll split the GOP than that they'll sweep the Democrats out of power. In 2010, Democrats will lose some seats, as have all but three incumbent parties in midterm elections since the New Deal. But the demographics are clear: 1994 won't repeat itself. It's time to calm down.

[Requiem]

The mormonism thing is overblown and just represents another disconnect between the party bosses and the electorate. The electorate is different than they realize, as is evidenced by the Scott Brown result.

The electorate is the same, the feelings on what people want in society are different. The healthcare deal is absolutely paramount and the people of Massachussets have already had their own healthcare system crisis within their state. Voting for Brown over Coakley was a move against reform most sought as unreasonable at the Federal Level. This isn't a state which is going to be changing at the Presidential level any time soon for future elections.

[24champ]

Why not just use Reconciliation before Brown is even sworn in? Its not like his vote can stop a reconciliation? Remember Reagan and Bush used Reconciliation to cramm thru their unpoplar legislation....so why can't Obama?

Reconciliation is going to take a long time to vote on, and the 2010 election season is looming ahead. Not sure that is the smartest option to take.

I believe some Health Care reform will take place, but the Democrats are going to have to come up with a new and improved bill. Then hopefully they can focus on jobs. If they don't do those two things, they have royally screwed themselves in 2010 and potentially 2012.

[TexanBob]

There are enough Liberal and Progressive voters out there to win the 2012 General Election by 2-5 million votes.

Not if you keep bleeding them away at this pace, pardner. Hilarious!

You DO realize you just loss in Massa-freakin-Kennedy-brain-dead-chusetts, don't you, RastaStalin? Where you had a 3-1 edge in party registration? And still lost?

A Democrat losing in Massachusetts is like the Indianapolis Colts losing to your local high school team after having paid off the refs before the coin flip. Even a truly incompetent campaigner like Coakley should have won in a cakewalk. But she didn't because the people who make the country work are fed up with smug socialists who promise to make things better while making everything they touch worse and then having the arrogance to then tell us that we're too stupid to understand their brilliance.

[rastaman]

Youre not getting it, Bonghead.

The American people are taking back some measure of control of what has become the political class in this country. This election was as great an example of that as any political statement I have seen in my lifetime.

Scott Brown ran on a platform of "Im here to do what the people want" and his agenda was consistent with that. This was basically the Tea Party platform with a Mass twist.

A Tea Party candidate just got elected in a Democrat state. Think about that for a minute.

You Meth Smoking Inbred Idiot....it was a special election and Coakely was a weak candidate! You bottom feeders act as if Scott Brownshirt actually deafted Tedd Kennedy in a senatorial mid term election. Boy you Republican'ts are desperate. Hell lets see in two years whether Scotty Corporate Brownshirt can keep the Senate seat.:sunshine:

[Requiem]

Not if you keep bleeding them away at this pace, pardner. Hilarious!

You DO realize you just loss in Massa-freakin-Kennedy-brain-dead-chusetts, don't you, RastaStalin? Where you had a 3-1 edge in party registration? And still lost?

If you think the whole voting electorate showed up today for this race that was an oddity (in terms of time and reason) -- you're sorely mistaken. Massachusetts is an automatic blue in a GE. Might want to invest some time in election or electorate studies.

[rastaman]

Not if you keep bleeding them away at this pace, pardner. Hilarious!

You DO realize you just loss in Massa-freakin-Kennedy-brain-dead-chusetts, don't you, RastaStalin? Where you had a 3-1 edge in party registration? And still lost?

A Democrat losing in Massachusetts is like the Indianapolis Colts losing to your local high school team after having paid off the refs before the coin flip. Even a truly incompetent campaigner like Coakley should have won in a cakewalk. But she didn't because the people who make the country work are fed up with smug socialists who promise to make things better while making everything they touch worse and then having the arrogance to then tell us that we're too stupid to understand their brilliance.

Oh slow down Tex's you Republicans acts as if Scott Brownshirt actually defeated Tedd Kennedy in a senatorial mid term election. Boy you Republican't are desperate. Hell lets see in two years whether Scotty Corporate Brownshirt can keep the Senate seat.

[Requiem]

Oh slow down Tex's you Republicans acts as if Scott Brownshirt actually defeated Tedd Kennedy in a senatorial mid term election. Boy you Republican't are desperate. Hell lets see in two years whether Scotty Corporate Brownshirt can keep the Senate seat.

Brown is out after one term. Guaranteed.

[spdirty]

Dumbest post of the year.

It was crystal clear that you were trying to confuse those two separate issues when you posted that Rasmussen poll.

The fact is that your pet issue that your trying to separate from the real issue is irrelevant. What you might consider "some form of government health care" is not be debated. Obamacare is being debated. And people dont want it. But thats OK. Keep being an idiot.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Might want to invest some time in election or electorate studies.

You're wasting your breath there.

The only "studies" Texas Pete invests in are those presented by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The fact is that your pet issue that your trying to separate from the real issue is irrelevant. What you might consider "some form of government health care" is not be debated. Obamacare is being debated. And people dont want it. But thats OK. Keep being an idiot.

:bs:

You were trying to paint this election as a referendum on health care reform in general - not just Obama's plan.

[24champ]

Brown is out after one term. Guaranteed.

Unless Coakley is the opponent. :spit:

[Requiem]

You're wasting your breath there.

The only "studies" Texas Pete invests in are those presented by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

Between the weekly Klan meetings, right? ^5

[rastaman]

Reconciliation is going to take a long time to vote on, and the 2010 election season is looming ahead. Not sure that is the smartest option to take.

I believe some Health Care reform will take place, but the Democrats are going to have to come up with a new and improved bill. Then hopefully they can focus on jobs. If they don't do those two things, they have royally screwed themselves in 2010 and potentially 2012.

I agree with the last paragraph. However, it did not take Reagan and Bush forever to get the opportunity to use Reconciliation so theres no reason why Obama can't do the same thing. In fact I think Obama should allow Brown to cast his vote of no on HCR and w/i 2 weeks and use Reconciliation to pass his HCR; Republican won't support any HCR Bill at all. So why worry how Republicans feel. Obama can streamline the HCR.....but the main think is he needs to pass HCR thru Reconciliation.

Obama needs to trust his base and pass HCR, w/o worrying about conservative-independent Republican voters and the GOP thinks. If losses for passing HCR thru Reconciliation oh well.....he would have lost in 2012 because he didn't get it passed as well.

Obama needs 50 votes out of 58.

[bpc]

2010 as 1994? Relax, Democrats
(http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-cohen17-2010jan17,0,5650998.story)

Two Democratic senators and one governor announced their retirements earlier this month, and days later, the smart money has Ted Kennedy's Massachusetts Senate seat falling to the GOP for the first time in nearly 60 years. Suddenly, the Republicans are crowing and Democrats are trembling -- everyone says the Democratic Party is doomed in 2010. What is the source of this breathless hysteria? Memories of the 1994 Republican midterm landslide. But everyone should take a deep breath: The 2010 midterms will not be a repeat of 1994. Why? Because almost everything we think we know about the 1994 election is wrong. Newt Gingrich, soon to be speaker of the House and the putative architect of the rout, boasted, "We have a clear mandate, and we intend to be revolutionaries." Never mind that only 39% of voters showed up for the supposed referendum on the state of the nation. In fact, the [Contract with America] had almost no influence on the vote. What was most important about 1994 politically won't make or break the 2010 elections. Congress changed hands in 1994 because the Christian right recruited new voters and white Southerners shifted en masse to the GOP. Neither evangelicals nor white Southerners can swing this year's election, because they ARE the Republican Party. Tea-party activists are [evidently nothing] other than disaffected conservatives who have previously voted Republican. At this moment, the odds are better that they'll split the GOP than that they'll sweep the Democrats out of power. In 2010, Democrats will lose some seats, as have all but three incumbent parties in midterm elections since the New Deal. But the demographics are clear: 1994 won't repeat itself. It's time to calm down.

The fact that you're even posting this conjecture shows that you're concerned.

Don't worry. You're not the only one. MA is just the latest state in the country ready to voice their disapproval with the democratic party in general. A majority of them being your own voters. Even they think OBAMA is extremist.

[rastaman]

Brown is out after one term. Guaranteed.

Agreed!

[Requiem]

:bs:

You were trying to paint this election as a referendum on health care reform in general - not just Obama's plan.

For the citizens of Massachusetts who have had their past health care battles, I think it is of indicative of their struggles and thoughts which are being resurrected now. Could be nationwide, I think we'll see soon enough. America is a land with an aging population and more time and resources are being devoted to medical and health initiatives in a variety of manners. The Baby Boomers are dying off and are quite scared of it. The massive reforms (or lack of) can be directly paralleled to their last death gasps. IMHO.

[spdirty]

In the meantime, the evidence that a majority of Americans favor some sort of government-run health care remains undisputed.

Have any 2010 ecidence?

[TexanBob]

Hopefully Obama has now woken up and realize its time to SCREW By-Partisan and reaching across the isle to shake hands with RATTLE SNAKE Republicans.

Hopefully, Obama has now awaken and realizes it's time to SCREW bi-partisanship and "reaching across the aisle" with RATTLESNAKE Republicans.

(Corrected to make the sentence legible for adults and those with IQs over 40)

Oh, by the way, can you name even ONE TIME where Obama has reached across the aisle in any substantive way? Name one instance where he has compromised legislatively with a Republican? I doubt you can.

[Requiem]

Even they think OBAMA is extremist.

Hardly. Obama is the pinnacle politician of what liberal elite Democrats have aspired for and admired for years in their area politics. This Brown vote is not indicative of what you are attempting to suggest.

[spdirty]

2010 as 1994? Relax, Democrats
(http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-cohen17-2010jan17,0,5650998.story)

Two Democratic senators and one governor announced their retirements earlier this month, and days later, the smart money has Ted Kennedy's Massachusetts Senate seat falling to the GOP for the first time in nearly 60 years. Suddenly, the Republicans are crowing and Democrats are trembling -- everyone says the Democratic Party is doomed in 2010. What is the source of this breathless hysteria? Memories of the 1994 Republican midterm landslide. But everyone should take a deep breath: The 2010 midterms will not be a repeat of 1994. Why? Because almost everything we think we know about the 1994 election is wrong. Newt Gingrich, soon to be speaker of the House and the putative architect of the rout, boasted, "We have a clear mandate, and we intend to be revolutionaries." Never mind that only 39% of voters showed up for the supposed referendum on the state of the nation. In fact, the [Contract with America] had almost no influence on the vote. What was most important about 1994 politically won't make or break the 2010 elections. Congress changed hands in 1994 because the Christian right recruited new voters and white Southerners shifted en masse to the GOP. Neither evangelicals nor white Southerners can swing this year's election, because they ARE the Republican Party. Tea-party activists are [evidently nothing] other than disaffected conservatives who have previously voted Republican. At this moment, the odds are better that they'll split the GOP than that they'll sweep the Democrats out of power. In 2010, Democrats will lose some seats, as have all but three incumbent parties in midterm elections since the New Deal. But the demographics are clear: 1994 won't repeat itself. It's time to calm down.

meanwhile, back in reality...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

Republican candidates still hold an eight-point lead over Democrats in the latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot.

The latest national telephone survey shows that 45% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 37% would opt for his or her Democratic opponent.

For the previous two weeks, Republicans have been ahead by nine points -- their largest lead in several years -- while support for Democrats has fallen to its lowest level in years.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

meanwhile, back in reality...


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ABC News/Washington Post Poll: 53 Percent Approve of Obama's Job Performance (http://www.buzzflash.net/story.php?id=1068880)

[TexanBob]

No whats killing the Obama Administration is that he is too F*@king NICE! He needs to simple politically tell the Republican Lizards in the Congress to go F*@k themselves and screw reaching across the isle for Bi-partinship BS.

Obama's mistake was trying to be a Statesman when dealing with Repub. Thugs.

Spoken like a true Marxist, Comrade! If it's war you want, war is what you'll get only remember that Republicans and independents make up most of the gun owners in this country. And I'm not joking.

[Requiem]

Bringing up the poll numbers is really irrelevant, especially with the midterms months away and the general election dynamic anyways. People here thinking Massachusetts is making the switch to red come general election time are snorting crack or retarded. Perhaps both.

[Requiem]

Spoken like a true Marxist, Comrade! If it's war you want, war is what you'll get only remember that Republicans and independents make up most of the gun owners in this country. And I'm not joking.

Rasta will be your Huckleberry, Texas Blob.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Rasta will be your Huckleberry, Texas Blob.

Rasta is as weak and spineless as the rest of the socialists in this country that hide in the shadows.

[spdirty]

Spoken like a true Marxist, Comrade! If it's war you want, war is what you'll get only remember that Republicans and independents make up most of the gun owners in this country. And I'm not joking.

as well as the military.

[Requiem]

Rasta is as weak and spineless as the rest of the socialists in this country that hide in the shadows.

You sure enjoy using terms pejoratively and making blanket generalizations, Sixlets.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Gallup: GOP Losing Lead Among Independents (http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/polling/gallup-gop-losing-lead-among-independents/)

The conventional wisdom for some time has been that Dems are bleeding
support among independents, and this claim — based, in fairness, on a
number of polls — has become central to GOP predictions of doom for
Dems in 2010.

But new polling from Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124661/Race-2010-Remains-Close-Democrats-Recover-Slight-Lead.aspx)
suggests the trend is reversing, and finds that indys are swinging back
towards Dems, though the Republicans still hold a narrow lead among
them.

Gallup finds that Dems have edged into a small lead in the
overall generic ballot matchup, 48%-45%, after having been behind in
November, adding:The major cause of the movement
between November and the current poll is the changing preferences of
independents. In the latest poll, conducted Dec. 11-13, independent
registered voters tilt only slightly toward the Republican candidate,
by 44% to 40%. In the November poll, independents’ preference for the
Republican candidate was 52% to 30%.
That’s a sizable swing among indys: The GOP has dropped eight points among them, and Dems have gained by 10 points.

[TexanBob]

First of all Obamacare and Romneycare are two different things. I've already pointed out why the Health Care system in the Bay state is in trouble earlier in this thread. Secondly, Scott Brown voted for Romneycare and Romney campaigned hard for him in the Bay State....yet he still won the senate seat. Hmmm.


Secondly, If Republicans have a problem with a Mormon like Romney running for President, who by all accounts is a good family man like many others that post here on Orange Mane, then it only justifies the Democrats talking point that Republicans are a bunch of bigots.

What works to get elected from Massachussetts doesn't fly in the rest of the country. I'm just giving you the truth. Myself, I don't have a problem with a Mormon president as long as it's not Harry Reid but it really depends on what else is on the menu.

[spdirty]

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ABC News/Washington Post Poll: 53 Percent Approve of Obama's Job Performance (http://www.buzzflash.net/story.php?id=1068880)

6 polls have him at under 50% and rasmussen has his approval index (strongly approve vs. strongly disapprove) at -11.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[24champ]

Gallup: GOP Losing Lead Among Independents (http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/polling/gallup-gop-losing-lead-among-independents/)

The conventional wisdom for some time has been that Dems are bleeding
support among independents, and this claim — based, in fairness, on a
number of polls — has become central to GOP predictions of doom for
Dems in 2010.

But new polling from Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/124661/Race-2010-Remains-Close-Democrats-Recover-Slight-Lead.aspx)
suggests the trend is reversing, and finds that indys are swinging back
towards Dems, though the Republicans still hold a narrow lead among
them.

Gallup finds that Dems have edged into a small lead in the
overall generic ballot matchup, 48%-45%, after having been behind in
November, adding:The major cause of the movement
between November and the current poll is the changing preferences of
independents. In the latest poll, conducted Dec. 11-13, independent
registered voters tilt only slightly toward the Republican candidate,
by 44% to 40%. In the November poll, independents’ preference for the
Republican candidate was 52% to 30%.
That’s a sizable swing among indys: The GOP has dropped eight points among them, and Dems have gained by 10 points.

The recent elections indicate otherwise, including tonights win by Scott Brown.


A key factor, as in most elections, was independents: Obama split Virginia independents with John McCain in 2008, en route to becoming the first Democratic presidential nominee to win the state since 1964. McDonnell, though, won independents by a thumping 66-33 percent.

Corzine, too, lost independents in New Jersey by a wide margin, 60-30 percent – the reason he lost a state where Democrats outnumbered Republicans by 10 points.

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/election-2009-virginia-jersey-exit-polls-obama-economy/story?id=8984551


Most independents favor Brown

Suffolk’s poll shows 65 percent of voters who identify themselves as independent favor Brown.

“Independents are leaning heavily toward the Republican party,” confirms Charles Stewart, a political scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge.

Brown has been more proactive in going after independent voters, addressing issues like family, security, and regional concerns, which are typically hot button issues for independents.

“I am running in the name of all independent-thinking citizens, whether they are Democrats, Republicans, or unenrolled, to take on one-party rule,” Brown wrote in a Boston Globe op-ed column published Friday.

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/election-2009-virginia-jersey-exit-polls-obama-economy/story?id=8984551

[rastaman]

Hopefully, Obama has now awaken and realizes it's time to SCREW bi-partisanship and "reaching across the aisle" with RATTLESNAKE Republicans.

(Corrected to make the sentence legible for adults and those with IQs over 40)

Well thanks for the help you Anal retentive Moron. You are my Editing/Grammar Hoe for now on.

Oh, by the way, can you name even ONE TIME where Obama has reached across the aisle in any substantive way? Name one instance where he has compromised legislatively with a Republican? I doubt you can.

Are saying Obama has not reached across the aisle to compromise with Republicans. Republicans have already garnered the reputation as the the Party of No! Republican Obstructionist have ignored and impeded all of Obama's bi-partisanship suggestions.

[spdirty]

Are saying Obama has not reached across the asile to compromise with Republicans. Republicans have already garned the reputation as the the Party of No! Republican Obstructionist have ignored and impeded all of Obama's bi-partisianship suggestions.

like what? Care to give some examples?

[rastaman]

What works to get elected from Massachussetts doesn't fly in the rest of the country. I'm just giving you the truth. Myself, I don't have a problem with a Mormon president as long as it's not Harry Reid but it really depends on what else is on the menu.

Brown will come back down to earth in 2012 when doesn't win his 2nd term.:sunshine:

He should enjoy his time as a 2 year special elected so-called independent Senator.

[rastaman]

Spoken like a true Marxist, Comrade! If it's war you want, war is what you'll get only remember that Republicans and independents make up most of the gun owners in this country. And I'm not joking.

Great! Bring It on you Butt Snorkeling-Dong Sucking conservative Facsist Republican't! :strong:

[epicSocialism4tw]

You sure enjoy using terms pejoratively and making blanket generalizations, Sixlets.

Those are some cute PolSci 101 buzzwords.

The socialists who have guns work for the government, comrade.

[rastaman]

like what? Care to give some examples?

WaPo/ABC News: 73 percent say Obama is “trying to compromise with the Republican leaders in Congress” while just 34 percent believe Republican leaders are trying to compromise with Obama.

NYT/CBS News: 74 percent think Obama is “trying to work with Republicans in Congress” while just 31 percent think Republicans in Congress are trying to work with Obama.

Fox News/Opinion Dynamics: 68 percent believe that Obama “has sincerely tried to reach out to Republicans and be bipartisan” while only 33 percent believe Republicans have “sincerely tried to be helpful to Barack Obama and be bipartisan.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/24/polls-obama-bipartisan/

[24champ]

What works to get elected from Massachussetts doesn't fly in the rest of the country.

I was just pointing out your misinformed opinion that Romneycare was the same thing as Obamacare is wrong.

Whether Romney can get the votes around the country remains to be seen, it's a ways off. He is qualified on the issue of economics and knows what it takes to get job growth. Right now, that is going to be the winning issue for any candidate come 2012.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The recent elections indicate otherwise, including tonights win by Scott Brown.


That's just one election.

Anyway, it's interesting to see so many republicans suddenly come out of the woodwork to post here and "put their uniforms back on," as it were. :D

[rastaman]

Spoken like a true Marxist, Comrade! If it's war you want, war is what you'll get only remember that Republicans and independents make up most of the gun owners in this country. And I'm not joking.

Besides, elections have consequences......YOUR SIDE LOST! If your party wants to call the shots---how about trying to win the next election.

The Bush Crime Family while in the WH didn't listen to or compromise with the Dems for 8 long years. Now suddenly you ignorant SOB's want a say!

Go Screw Yourself....you idiot from TEX-ASS.8')

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

NYT/CBS News: 74 percent think Obama is “trying to work with Republicans in Congress” ....

That's been his #1 mistake, IMO.

Didn't he learn anything from the Clinton years?

Extend a hand to these people and they will cut it off at the elbow.

[24champ]

That's just one election.


I've also noted the Virginia and New Jersey election results.

[spdirty]

WaPo/ABC News: 73 percent say Obama is “trying to compromise with the Republican leaders in Congress” while just 34 percent believe Republican leaders are trying to compromise with Obama.

NYT/CBS News: 74 percent think Obama is “trying to work with Republicans in Congress” while just 31 percent think Republicans in Congress are trying to work with Obama.

Fox News/Opinion Dynamics: 68 percent believe that Obama “has sincerely tried to reach out to Republicans and be bipartisan” while only 33 percent believe Republicans have “sincerely tried to be helpful to Barack Obama and be bipartisan.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/24/polls-obama-bipartisan/

typical. I ask for examples of issues where Obama tried to be bipartisan and you give me polls of what people think.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I've also noted the Virginia and New Jersey election results.

From 2008.

[spdirty]

Besides, elections have consequences......YOUR SIDE LOST! If your party wants to call the shots---how about trying to win the next election.

Dont worry. We will.

[spdirty]

From 2008.

:rofl:

[ak1971]

the republicans cheated.

[TexanBob]

Obama is the pinnacle politician of what liberal elite Democrats have aspired for and admired for years in their area politics.

Agreed. They've been dying to have a Hugo-Chavez-style neo-communist in power for decades now and, now that they finally have their chance, they are ****ing it up, big time. They wanted to use ACORN and illegal immigration to create an insurmountable voting bloc where they could kill capitalism and force socialism down the throats of all Americans without having to fear blowback from people who hadn't realized until it was too late that they'd let Democrats turn America into a dictatorship.

Now, with tea parties springing up everywhere, their health care power grab in shambles, their global warming hoax exposed and their cap-and-trade and immigration bills stuck in the mud, their master plan for communist takeover is being throttled before it can be implemented. With every misstep, commie liberals just get more hateful and mean-spirited, pointing blame at everyone but themselves because they're all just too ****ing perfect to possibly be blamed for the mess they're creating. It all worked splendidly in their Ivy League circle jerks. What could have possibly gone wrong?

So, now the Democrats have two choices - retreat and wait for the next time they can fool America with the next neo-communist or they can march full speed ahead, regardless of the political cost. I think they choose the latter because, frankly, they're just too ****ing full of themselves to choose the former.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

:rofl:

Yep - the idea that today's special election somehow reflects the mindset of all independents on the national level is funny, alright. Ha!

[24champ]

From 2008.

No, 2009. The article showed the huge swing by independents from 2008 to 2009 in VA and NJ.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Funny how so many republicans who have been MIA until today are suddenly posting here.

I guess they figure it's safe to hop back on the bandwagon now. Ha!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No, 2009. The article showed the huge swing by independents from 2008 to 2009 in VA and NJ.

One of those was a reference to Obama splitting Virginia independents with John McCain in 2008.

[spdirty]

Funny how so many republicans who have been MIA until today are suddenly posting here.

I guess they figure it's safe to hop back on the bandwagon now. Ha!

Well this beats going to the main forum and discussing the wonderful job that the Broncos version of Obama is doing.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Agreed. They've been dying to have a Hugo-Chavez-style neo-communist in power for decades now and, now that they finally have their chance, they are ****ing it up, big time. They wanted to use ACORN and illegal immigration to create an insurmountable voting bloc where they could kill capitalism and force socialism down the throats of all Americans without having to fear blowback from people who hadn't realized until it was too late that they'd let Democrats turn America into a dictatorship.

Now, with tea parties springing up everywhere, their health care power grab in shambles, their global warming hoax exposed and their cap-and-trade and immigration bills stuck in the mud, their master plan for communist takeover is being throttled before it can be implemented. With every misstep, commie liberals just get more hateful and mean-spirited, pointing blame at everyone but themselves because they're all just too ****ing perfect to possibly be blamed for the mess they're creating. It all worked splendidly in their Ivy League circle jerks. What could have possibly gone wrong?

So, now the Democrats have two choices - retreat and wait for the next time they can fool America with the next neo-communist or they can march full speed ahead, regardless of the political cost. I think they choose the latter because, frankly, they're just too ****ing full of themselves to choose the former.


Ouch. Ha!

It wouldnt hurt if there wasnt some truth in it.

[spdirty]

Agreed. They've been dying to have a Hugo-Chavez-style neo-communist in power for decades now and, now that they finally have their chance, they are ****ing it up, big time. They wanted to use ACORN and illegal immigration to create an insurmountable voting bloc where they could kill capitalism and force socialism down the throats of all Americans without having to fear blowback from people who hadn't realized until it was too late that they'd let Democrats turn America into a dictatorship.

Now, with tea parties springing up everywhere, their health care power grab in shambles, their global warming hoax exposed and their cap-and-trade and immigration bills stuck in the mud, their master plan for communist takeover is being throttled before it can be implemented. With every misstep, commie liberals just get more hateful and mean-spirited, pointing blame at everyone but themselves because they're all just too ****ing perfect to possibly be blamed for the mess they're creating. It all worked splendidly in their Ivy League circle jerks. What could have possibly gone wrong?

So, now the Democrats have two choices - retreat and wait for the next time they can fool America with the next neo-communist or they can march full speed ahead, regardless of the political cost. I think they choose the latter because, frankly, they're just too ****ing full of themselves to choose the former.

:thumbs:^5

[TexanBob]

Are saying Obama has not reached across the aisle to compromise with Republicans. Republicans have already garnered the reputation as the the Party of No! Republican Obstructionist have ignored and impeded all of Obama's bi-partisanship suggestions.

You still didn't cite one example. You won't because you can't. In the first meeting with capital leaders at the White House after the election when the second bailout was being discussed, Republicans offered suggestions on what they'd recommend for the new bill. Obama rejected them outright.

"I won," he said smugly.

He hasn't called on them ever since and the only time Pelosi or Reid has asked for their help is to try to breathe life into their own socialist legislation. All the "party of No" whining is just that. Democrats haven't shown the least bit of interest in Republican ideas and had the majorities (until tonight) to pass whatever they wanted without one Republican vote.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Seems like the right-wingnuts are losing sight of one important issue, i.e., why their party was swept from power in '08 in the first place.

Are you really that eager to put that same party of crooks back in power?

If so, then politics is clearly nothing more than another sporting event in your mind.

[24champ]

One of those was a reference to Obama splitting Virginia independents with John McCain in 2008.

And the Virginia independents broke for McDonnell 66-33. Roughly a 16 point swing from 2008....in New Jersey it is even a bigger swing in that Blue State. Same result with Massachusetts, also a deep Blue state.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You still didn't cite one example. You won't because you can't. In the first meeting with capital leaders at the White House after the election when the second bailout was being discussed, Republicans offered suggestions on what they'd recommend for the new bill. Obama rejected them outright.

"I won," he said smugly.

He hasn't called on them ever since and the only time Pelosi or Reid has asked for their help is to try to breathe life into their own socialist legislation. All the "party of No" whining is just that. Democrats haven't shown the least bit of interest in Republican ideas and had the majorities (until tonight) to pass whatever they wanted without one Republican vote.

Theyre making their own bed.

Its funny...
They made monsters of the republicans (who deserved most of what they got) and then when there was no other monster to use to pump fear into the democrat base, they had no other choice but to channel their neurotic guilt/blame/anti-america fixation on each other. Cannibalism is right around the corner.

They created this mess for themselves. I have never seen anything this chaotic, disorganized, rudderless, and pitiful in American politics in my lifetime.

They refuse to identify the wishes of the people and to use that as a starting point for their legislation. They cannot get through their own infighting to get things done. Theyre like a dysfunctional family full of drug addicts.

[TexanBob]

WaPo/ABC News: 73 percent say Obama is “trying to compromise with the Republican leaders in Congress” while just 34 percent believe Republican leaders are trying to compromise with Obama.

NYT/CBS News: 74 percent think Obama is “trying to work with Republicans in Congress” while just 31 percent think Republicans in Congress are trying to work with Obama.

Fox News/Opinion Dynamics: 68 percent believe that Obama “has sincerely tried to reach out to Republicans and be bipartisan” while only 33 percent believe Republicans have “sincerely tried to be helpful to Barack Obama and be bipartisan.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/24/polls-obama-bipartisan/

You moron. These are just pollsters parroting back the spoon-fed pablum of the state-controlled media. None of that proves Obama reached out to anyone. It only proves that NBC/ABC/CBS/CNN/NPR etc, spouted the Democrat talking points and those who lap up the Kool-Aid parroted it back to the pollsters.

I want a real instance where Obama reached out *and was willing to compromise* with a Republican on a legislative item. You won't find it because he's never done it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And the Virginia independents broke for McDonnell 66-33. Roughly a 16 point swing from 2008....in New Jersey it is even a bigger swing in that Blue State. Same result with Massachusetts, also a deep Blue state.

Does Virginia surprise anyone? It was a miracle that a Dem won there to begin with.

[24champ]

Are you really that eager to put that same party of crooks back in power?


There are still crooks in DC. Even though a different party is in charge.

Bribing Senators for Health Care votes, and doing these back room deals. Change we can believe in? Transparency? Um....yeah ok.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Seems like the right-wingnuts are losing sight of one important issue, i.e., why their party was swept from power in '08 in the first place.

Are you really that eager to put that same party of crooks back in power?

If so, then politics is clearly nothing more than another sporting event in your mind.


Youre missing the point, Shilly.

The same people that voted Obama in as a protest against the big spending republicans represented by GW Bush are the same people that voted Scott Brown in.

Change is afoot.

What people like yourself and Rachel Maddow refuse to be able to get your head around is the fact that change is coming, but it is coming from Joe Citizen and his family who are so worn to the bone by inflation, taxation, and continued indifference by politicians that they are throwing traditional political affiliations out the window to make statements as to what is and what isnt acceptable.

Change is here.

[24champ]

Does Virginia surprise anyone? It was a miracle that a Dem won there to begin with.

Point is, the independents trended to the right. Even if the VA election results doesn't surprise you...New Jersey and Massachusetts should and Republicans only got voted in due to the Independent vote.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

There are still crooks in DC. Even though a different party is in charge.


I guess it always keeps coming back to the "lesser of evils" vote, unfortunately.

It's a choice between a shoplifter (Dems) or a bank robber (Repubs.)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Point is, the independents trended to the right.

In those three instances. This doesn't necessarily reflect the mindset of independents nationally.


Even if the VA election results doesn't surprise you...New Jersey and Massachusetts should and Republicans only got voted in due to the Independent vote.

Not surprising at all.

Historically, when the economy is in the crapper, voters take it out on the party in power.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I guess it always keeps coming back to the "lesser of evils" vote, unfortunately.

It's a choice between a shoplifter (Dems) or a bank robber (Repubs.)

If you were smart, you would quit working for the shoplifter and start thinking for yourself.

The Representative Republic is on the mend. Party shills like yourself are being looked at with distrust, and that's a great thing.

[broncocalijohn]

WaPo/ABC News: 73 percent say Obama is “trying to compromise with the Republican leaders in Congress” while just 34 percent believe Republican leaders are trying to compromise with Obama.

NYT/CBS News: 74 percent think Obama is “trying to work with Republicans in Congress” while just 31 percent think Republicans in Congress are trying to work with Obama.
Fox News/Opinion Dynamics: 68 percent believe that Obama “has sincerely tried to reach out to Republicans and be bipartisan” while only 33 percent believe Republicans have “sincerely tried to be helpful to Barack Obama and be bipartisan.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/24/polls-obama-bipartisan/

These must come from some stupid people and not facing reality because he is far from Bi-partisanship. He doesnt even care about what we want.

[TexanBob]

This country is truly ripe for a bad-ass to ride into town and throw out all the corrupt politicians of both parties. On this I agree with many of the left - this blowback since the 2008 elections isn't going to help the GOP unless the GOP gives them a reason to believe they have cleaned up their act. It's clear the Democrats are even more corrupt than the Republicans and, what's worse, they have a "Laws? Laws are for the little people" attitude about their own lawlessness.

We are tired of people going to Washington to figure out how they, themselves, can get more rich and powerful. We'll listen to anybody who resonates that they want to gut the current corrupt power structure and start over.

If I could, I'd prevent anyone from being elected to office or serving in the cabinet who :
a) earned over $150,000 even once in their lives.
b) have a law degree.
c) attended an Ivy League school or
d) was not certifiably born in the United States of America.

Every House member would make $50,000/yr. Every Senator $65,000/yr.

We'll kick everyone out of office and start all over. THEN, we'll see America represented by Americans again instead of crooks and shysters.

[spdirty]

This country is truly ripe for a bad-ass to ride into town and throw out all the corrupt politicians of both parties. On this I agree with many of the left - this blowback since the 2008 elections isn't going to help the GOP unless the GOP gives them a reason to believe they have cleaned up their act. It's clear the Democrats are even more corrupt than the Republicans and, what's worse, they have a "Laws? Laws are for the little people" attitude about their own lawlessness.

We are tired of people going to Washington to figure out how they, themselves, can get more rich and powerful. We'll listen to anybody who resonates that they want to gut the current corrupt power structure and start over.

If I could, I'd prevent anyone from being elected to office or serving in the cabinet who :
a) earned over $150,000 even once in their lives.
b) have a law degree.
c) attended an Ivy League school or
d) was not certifiably born in the United States of America.

Every House member would make $50,000/yr. Every Senator $65,000/yr.

We'll kick everyone out of office and start all over. THEN, we'll see America represented by Americans again instead of crooks and shysters.

add to that force people who want to vote to take a political IQ test. Dont pass the test you dont vote. Just simple questions like
a) who is the vice president?
b) who is the secretary of state?
c) is the presidents job to give you a car and pay your mortgage?

Then you could take out 98% of democratic voters.

[bpc]

add to that force people who want to vote to take a political IQ test. Dont pass the test you dont vote. Just simple questions like
a) who is the vice president?
b) who is the secretary of state?
c) is the presidents job to give you a car and pay your mortgage?

Then you could take out 98% of democratic voters.

haha< too true!

[broncocalijohn]

Seems like the right-wingnuts are losing sight of one important issue, i.e., why their party was swept from power in '08 in the first place.

Are you really that eager to put that same party of crooks back in power?

If so, then politics is clearly nothing more than another sporting event in your mind.

You are correct. 2008 was a huge wake up call for the people and hopefully the politicians. You wont like it if they actually do act like conservatives and watch the money like they are supposed to be doing. They didnt preach when they had all 3 branches. They F up again, they have no one to blame but themselves. Obama being elected should have been their first clue. Mine was not voting for Bush and go independent party.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You wont like it if they actually do act like conservatives and watch the money like they are supposed to be doing.

What would that look like, in your fantasy?

Would it include ending the wars Bush got us into?

Curtailing our astronomical level of defense spending?

Ending corporate welfare?

I didn't think so.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This country is truly ripe for a bad-ass to ride into town and throw out all the corrupt politicians of both parties.

This might be the first thing you've ever said here that's not completely insane.

However, as much as I support the idea, I just don't see it happening.

JFK was the last president who tried that - and we all know what happened there.

[TexanBob]

A bit cliche by now but whoever does this is quick with the parodies...

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[rastaman]

That's been his #1 mistake, IMO.

Didn't he learn anything from the Clinton years?

Extend a hand to these people and they will cut it off at the elbow.

This is so true. Obama is going to need to find a way to politically hit these Republican Mother F*@Kers dead in the mouth or he's a one term President .... plain and simple.

[barryr]

A big UP YOURS to liberals from this election! Looks like more to come this year. This will be a fun year.

[55CrushEm]

No **** sherlock, just not a government takeover.

EXACTLY!! I said yesterday that "reform" means change.....we can improve our system in a variety of ways.....but Americans do not want a GOVERNMENT RUN SYSTEM.

A business man in Canada called in to the radio and highlighted just a few of the nightmares of their government run system.....

1. Their IS rationing in a government run system. There is only so much money that is allocated to each province....when they run out....it's wait until next year for your surgery, etc.

2. There is a big shortage of doctors in Canada.

3. If you want to change your primary care physician....you could wait up to 18 months just to do it....thanks to all the government paperwork.

4. If you are a cancer patient, for example, and you need chemo....you could wait up to a year to even start your treatments. But, hey, isn't this status quo for everything the government touches.

Look....as I said....I would love for everyone in this country to have health insurance.....but GOVERNMENT RUN healthcare is an abomination. Nobody wants government telling them they can or can't go see a doctor.

[Dukes]

What would that look like, in your fantasy?

Would it include ending the wars Bush got us into?

Curtailing our astronomical level of defense spending?

Ending corporate welfare?

I didn't think so.

Actually it would.

[55CrushEm]

Brown is out after one term. Guaranteed.

While I, too, am skeptical of a Repub retaining his seat in such a libera state....I would also note that Massachusetts tends to favor/like it's incumbents (other than governors).....

The seat that John Kerry currently holds (the Class II seat)....was held by a Republican for over 40 years, from 1937 until 1979, when Paul Tsongas was elected.

[Garcia Bronco]

EXACTLY!! I said yesterday that "reform" means change.....we can improve our system in a variety of ways.....but Americans do not want a GOVERNMENT RUN SYSTEM.

A business man in Canada called in to the radio and highlighted just a few of the nightmares of their government run system.....

1. Their IS rationing in a government run system. There is only so much money that is allocated to each province....when they run out....it's wait until next year for your surgery, etc.

2. There is a big shortage of doctors in Canada.

3. If you want to change your primary care physician....you could wait up to 18 months just to do it....thanks to all the government paperwork.

4. If you are a cancer patient, for example, and you need chemo....you could wait up to a year to even start your treatments. But, hey, isn't this status quo for everything the government touches.

Look....as I said....I would love for everyone in this country to have health insurance.....but GOVERNMENT RUN healthcare is an abomination. Nobody wants government telling them they can or can't go see a doctor.

Exactly

[Garcia Bronco]

This is so true. Obama is going to need to find a way to politically hit these Republican Mother F*@Kers dead in the mouth or he's a one term President .... plain and simple.

Limp dick couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

[Requiem]

Those are some cute PolSci 101 buzzwords.

The socialists who have guns work for the government, comrade.

The word pejorative didn't arise from my dabbling in Political Science. I'm sorry if you feel inferior.

[Requiem]

add to that force people who want to vote to take a political IQ test. Dont pass the test you dont vote. Just simple questions like
a) who is the vice president?
b) who is the secretary of state?
c) is the presidents job to give you a car and pay your mortgage?

Then you could take out 98% of democratic voters.

If there was a political litmus test for being able to vote, a majority of Americans would not pass. Probably yourself and many others in this thread. If you actually tested people on stuff that matters.

[Rohirrim]

You sure enjoy using terms pejoratively and making blanket generalizations, Sixlets.

That's his schtick.

I'm glad to see all the trogs so happy about the Brown election. He ran as a moderate Republican and carried the independent vote. Smart move. Coakley ran a very stupid campaign. She deserved to lose. Unfortunately, Brown is going to find out that when he gets to Washington, the heavy weights in his party are going to expect him to swing hard Right. That's going to lose him those independents back home. So, in six years, it will just swing back the other way.

Another facet of the Massachusetts vote that can't be ignored is pure selfishness. In Mass, they have universal health care. Romney installed it. So why should they pay for a federal program that does the same thing for the rest of America? **** them.

The reverberations from these one-issue elections are shallow and short lived. Those who think this is some indication of a new ground swell are fooling themselves.

[Beantown Bronco]

Another facet of the Massachusetts vote that can't be ignored is pure selfishness. In Mass, they have universal health care. Romney installed it. So why should they pay for a federal program that does the same thing for the rest of America? **** them.

Bingo. EVERY SINGLE Dem that I know that went with Brown in this election did it for this sole reason. And there were a lot of them in my circle alone.

It's what he ran on, pure and simple. And it got him the votes he needed. I can all but guarantee that 90% of the independent and Dem voters that went with him don't even know what else he really stands for.

[Garcia Bronco]

Bingo. EVERY SINGLE Dem that I know that went with Brown in this election did it for this sole reason. And there were a lot of them in my circle alone.

It's what he ran on, pure and simple. And it got him the votes he needed. I can all but guarantee that 90% of the independent and Dem voters that went with him don't even know what else he really stands for.


Regardless...MAssholes no more. :P

Besides. It's a state decision...not a federal government decision.

[ghwk]

This country is truly ripe for a bad-ass to ride into town and throw out all the corrupt politicians of both parties. On this I agree with many of the left - this blowback since the 2008 elections isn't going to help the GOP unless the GOP gives them a reason to believe they have cleaned up their act. It's clear the Democrats are even more corrupt than the Republicans and, what's worse, they have a "Laws? Laws are for the little people" attitude about their own lawlessness.

We are tired of people going to Washington to figure out how they, themselves, can get more rich and powerful. We'll listen to anybody who resonates that they want to gut the current corrupt power structure and start over.

If I could, I'd prevent anyone from being elected to office or serving in the cabinet who :
a) earned over $150,000 even once in their lives.
b) have a law degree.
c) attended an Ivy League school or
d) was not certifiably born in the United States of America.

Every House member would make $50,000/yr. Every Senator $65,000/yr.

We'll kick everyone out of office and start all over. THEN, we'll see America represented by Americans again instead of crooks and shysters.

I can buy into the spirit of this idea as well. How you can say one party is more corrupt than another is beyond me though. Seriously how would you even start to quantify that?

[Tombstone RJ]

RECENT VIRGINIA CHURCH SERVICE
STIMULUS SERMON

Genesis 47:13-27

I would love to give the Pastor of this predominantly black church in
Virginia a hug and a high five. This guy is obviously a leader.
Perhaps we should each decide who our
real leader is...It is amazing to see that very little has
changed in 4,000 years.
------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---
Good morning, brothers and sisters ; it's always a delight to see
the pews crowded on Sunday morning, and so eager to get into
God's Word . Turn with me in your Bibles, if you will to the 47th
chapter of Genesis, we'll begin our reading at verse 13, and go
through verse 27.
Brother Ray, would you stand and read that great passage for us?
....(reading) ...

Thank you for that fine reading, Brother Ray... So we see that
economic hard times fell upon Egypt , and the people turned to
the government of Pharaoh to deal with this for them. And Pharaoh
nationalized the grain harvest, and placed the grain in great storehouses
that he had built. So the people brought their money to Pharaoh, like a
great tax increase, and gave it all to him willingly in return for grain.. And
this went on until their money ran out, and they were hungry again.
So when they went to Pharaoh after that, they brought their
livestock -their cattle, their horses, their sheep, and their donkey -
to barter for grain, and verse 17 says that only took them through
the end of that year.
But the famine wasn't over, was it? So the next year, the people
came before Pharaoh and admitted they had nothing left, except
their land and their own lives. "There is nothing left in the sight
of my lord but our bodies and our land.. Why should we die before
your eyes, both we and our land? Buy us and our land for food,
and we with our land will be servants to Pharaoh." So they
surrendered their homes, their land, and their real estate to
Pharaoh's government, and then sold themselves into slavery
to him, in return for grain. What can we learn from this, brothers
and sisters?
That turning to the government instead of to God to be our provider
in hard times only leads to slavery? Yes.. That the only reason
government wants to be our provider is to also become our master?
Yes.
But look how that passage ends, brothers and sisters! Thus Israel
settled in the land of Egypt , in the land of Goshen .. And they gained
possessions in it, and were fruitful and multiplied greatly." God
provided for His people, just as He always has! They didn't end up
giving all their possessions to government, no, it says they gained
possessions! But I also tell you a great truth today, and an ominous
one. We see the same thing happening today - the government today
wants to "share the wealth "once again, to take it from us and redistribute
it back to us. It wants to take control of healthcare, just as it has taken
control of education, and ration it back to us, and when government
rations it, then government decides who gets it, and how much, and
what kind. And if we go along with it, and do it willingly, then we will
wind up no differently than the people of Egypt did four thousand years
ago - as slaves to the government, and as slaves to our leaders.
What Mr. Obama's government is doing now is no different from what
Pharaoh's government did then, and it will end the same. And a lot of
people like to call Mr. Obama a " Messiah ," don't they? Is he a Messiah?
A savior? Didn't the Egyptians say, after Pharaoh made them his slaves,
"You have saved our lives; may it please my lord, we will be servants to Pharaoh"?
Well, I tell you this -
I know the Messiah; the Messiah is a friend of mine;
and Mr. Obama is no Messiah! No, brothers and sisters,
if Mr. Obama is a character from the Bible, then he is Pharaoh..
Bow with me in prayer, if you will.
Lord, You alone are worthy to be served, and we rely on You, and You alone.
We confess that the government is not our deliverer, and never rightly will be.
We read in the eighth chapter of 1 Samuel, when Samuel warned the people
of what a ruler would do, where it says "And in that day you will cry out
because of your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves, but
the LORD will not answer you in that day." And Lord, we acknowledge
that day has come. We cry out to you because of the ruler that we have
chosen for ourselves as a nation. Lord, we pray for this nation. We pray
for revival, and we pray for deliverance from those who would be our masters.
Give us hearts to seek You and hands to serve You, and protect Your people
from the atrocities of Pharaoh's government.
In God We Trust ...

Wow, a truly wonderful Minister to his flock. Don't put your faith in the government, put it in God, and he Will provide.

The Truth Will Set You Free!

[Garcia Bronco]

Does Virginia surprise anyone? It was a miracle that a Dem won there to begin with.

You are an idiot and know nothing about the voting record in Virginia. Shut your hole.

[Requiem]

You wouldn't be able to, besides the reports that come out from organizations around DC monitoring politics, spending and representative behavior issues. Even those are a little skeptical. My thoughts are this: The system itself is corrupt, as are the people who play into it. Politics is a cycle, (at the federal level) where career politicians hold the guard. It takes big money to get into elections like this, and it is the people with money who win. I've monitored elections and trends in my undergraduate career and a simple way of predicting elections is following the $.

Tombstone and I rarely agree, but this seems to be the case. You can even see the differences resonate at the state level when you compare professional state legislatures (like New York or California) as opposed to citizen-based ones in Midwestern states like South Dakota and North Dakota. Legislatures "professional" in nature, with career politicians, often have more problems and unbalanced budgets. Citizen-held legislatures with a traditional voting body composed of every day citizens from farmers to small business owners are doing very well. My current state, North Dakota -- is proof of that, with low unemployment, thousands of jobs available, and a state surplus due to fiscal conservative spending habits and a benefit kick from the oil boom out in the Western part of the state.

Politics is a messy business, but it shouldn't have to be. We have too many career politicians in office holding onto archaic belief systems or on to strong personal notions that they feel better representing than the will of the people. It is extremely unfortunate, and one of the reasons I've become truly apathetic towards politics, despite my strong interest, education and work experience with it.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. I can understand some of the joy here by conservatives, Republicans, etc. in regards to Brown's election, but this doesn't say that much. This election is more of a reinforcement and indictment on the American people in the way of being fickle than honest, hardworking citizens wanting more accountability in there government. Oh, the health thing too -- because it hits home hard.

[Requiem]

You are an idiot and know nothing about the voting record in Virginia. Shut your hole.

Virginia has been and always will be a fence state for a lot of sociocultural reasons that are built deeply into the states history. Seat toss and trade offs are common in this area, but when you look at the Presidential electorate history, Virginia was a stalwart Republican state dating back to 1972, (off the top of my head) -- which Obama won in this last election cycle. It had been a long time. In a sense, I see L.A.'s point. A Republican winning in Virginia is not uncommon.

[Tombstone RJ]

You wouldn't be able to, besides the reports that come out from organizations around DC monitoring politics, spending and representative behavior issues. Even those are a little skeptical. My thoughts are this: The system itself is corrupt, as are the people who play into it. Politics is a cycle, (at the federal level) where career politicians hold the guard. It takes big money to get into elections like this, and it is the people with money who win. I've monitored elections and trends in my undergraduate career and a simple way of predicting elections is following the $.

Tombstone and I rarely agree, but this seems to be the case. You can even see the differences resonate at the state level when you compare professional state legislatures (like New York or California) as opposed to citizen-based ones in Midwestern states like South Dakota and North Dakota. Legislatures "professional" in nature, with career politicians, often have more problems and unbalanced budgets. Citizen-held legislatures with a traditional voting body composed of every day citizens from farmers to small business owners are doing very well. My current state, North Dakota -- is proof of that, with low unemployment, thousands of jobs available, and a state surplus due to fiscal conservative spending habits and a benefit kick from the oil boom out in the Western part of the state.

Politics is a messy business, but it shouldn't have to be. We have too many career politicians in office holding onto archaic belief systems or on to strong personal notions that they feel better representing than the will of the people. It is extremely unfortunate, and one of the reasons I've become truly apathetic towards politics, despite my strong interest, education and work experience with it.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. I can understand some of the joy here by conservatives, Republicans, etc. in regards to Brown's election, but this doesn't say that much. This election is more of a reinforcement and indictment on the American people in the way of being fickle than honest, hardworking citizens wanting more accountability in there government. Oh, the health thing too -- because it hits home hard.

Well said. :approve: