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Pony Boy
01-14-2010, 07:58 PM
This is not an article meant to bash Brandon Marshall by focusing on his off the field issues or tear him down and call him a bad player. It is merely an evaluation of a very good receiver and the severe limitations he brings to an offense that tries to use him as its No. 1 receiver. It is of my opinion that Marshall, as he is right now, is not a true No. 1 receiver in the NFL. Now I'm sure when people hear this they will look at me like I am crazy, but there is definitely a valid reason for this if you look at a key stat from this year's numbers.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/325850-brandon-marshall-a-difficult-fit-in-any-offense

DBroncos4life
01-14-2010, 08:10 PM
Yes the key stat being the 11.1 yard per catch. I guess Fitz falls into the same boat as Marshall then?

When I see Marshall, I see without question the best possession, No. 2 receiver in the NFL. I know this may seem crazy to some, but if you take a look at the pairing of Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin in Arizona, you see my point.

Fitzgerald is the guy who can fly into the air and pull down some ridiculous catches, which forces the defense to play further back, opening more underneath routes and of course the running game. Then Boldin is the counter-punch; when the defense is forced to back up to respect Fitzgerald, Boldin can get the ball on a short underneath route and abuse the defense with his impressive after the catch abilities.

Straight from that article. All the world of respect for Fitzgerald and his blazing speed but leaving out the fact that Fitzgerald was targeted one less time then Marshall with four less catches and a damn near a identical YPA. Marshall had 457 yards after catch to Fitzgerald's 249.

gyldenlove
01-14-2010, 08:13 PM
What a load.

People like Marvin Harrison, Jerry Rice and Larry Fitzgerald are all known for their amazing deep speed.

Is Larry Fitzgerald a true number 1? well he is according to this guy, what was his average this year? 11.3 yards same as Brandon. Steve Smith from the Giants? 11.4, Roddy White 13.6, Reggie Wayne, 12.6. I would call all of those guys number 1 recievers.

This guy can't have watched many games with comment like this:
Marshall's playing style most mimics that of New England's Wes Welker, who this season finished with 123 catches, 1,348 yards, 11.0 YPC, and four TDs.

Their playing styles are very different, their stat lines are not dissimilar, but playing styles very different. Welker creates seperation through good route running, quickness and ability to read defenses and adjust. Marshall creates seperation with his strength and uses his size to screen defenders while making catches.

Pony Boy
01-14-2010, 08:27 PM
What a load.

Agreed, it's a load of bull, but should stir the pot...... :stirstir:

Taco John
01-14-2010, 09:02 PM
I don't buy it either. I think Marshall fits in any offense. Who doesn't need a good possession guy with the field vision to take the ball to the house on any given touch?

Also, I'm embarassed for anyone who makes the statement that Marshall's playing style is similar to Wes Welker. Might as well throw in that he's got the base running skills of Jose Reyes. Why not?

Broncoman13
01-14-2010, 09:31 PM
Marshall has now proved that he can be a 100 rec, 1200 yard, 7-10TD receiver in multiple roles in different offenses. Whoever wrote that piece doesn't understand football all that well. BMarsh is a top tier WR, better than guys like Greg Jennings, Roddy White or Chad Jackson... All of which are paid like #1 receivers!

Archer81
01-14-2010, 09:37 PM
Marshall has now proved that he can be a 100 rec, 1200 yard, 7-10TD receiver in multiple roles in different offenses. Whoever wrote that piece doesn't understand football all that well. BMarsh is a top tier WR, better than guys like Greg Jennings, Roddy White or Chad Jackson... All of which are paid like #1 receivers!


Did you mean Ochocinco?


:Broncos:

Dagmar
01-14-2010, 09:39 PM
Any team in the league would be lucky to have Marshall's on the field production. The off the field stuff doesn't seem to go away though.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-14-2010, 10:06 PM
Its funny how people try to find ways to bash this guy. He's a ****ing beast.

Dagmar
01-14-2010, 10:10 PM
Its funny how people try to find ways to bash this guy. He's a ****ing beast.

On the field. He dropped in the draft and has had issues every season since, culminating being deactivated for the final game this year.

I wish this guy would screw his head on straight but he pissed off Shanny and Cutler before McDaniels, Bailey and Dawkins.

Inkana7
01-14-2010, 10:20 PM
Sorry above poster, but Greg Jennings is better than Marshall.

Popps
01-14-2010, 10:26 PM
Its funny how people try to find ways to bash this guy. He's a ****ing beast.

He's a beast when he wants to be.

He fits fine into any offense. His physical skills aren't the problem.

DBroncos4life
01-14-2010, 10:28 PM
Sorry above poster, but Greg Jennings is better than Marshall.

Jennings wasn't even the best WR on his team this year.

Lolad
01-14-2010, 10:34 PM
He's a beast when he wants to be.

He fits fine into any offense. His physical skills aren't the problem.

So then whats the problem? are we trying to find Cinderella?

broncocalijohn
01-14-2010, 10:38 PM
Pony Boy, u r soooo wrong. Brandon can be a #1 receiver on 24 teams minimum (yes, a number I like to throw out). He is a #1 and teams would give up a #1 plus more for him. He is already a proven #1 WR. Only problem is will there be less because of his behavior? He is a ME player not a team player. Some team out there wont care and need a top notch wideout. Maybe Chicago? He would help out Cutler to at least some bitchin stats for fantasy football.

broncocalijohn
01-14-2010, 10:39 PM
So then whats the problem? are we trying to find Cinderella?

somebody that is a team player.

HAT
01-14-2010, 11:42 PM
Jennings wasn't even the best WR on his team this year.

And this is why people think FF has ruined the NFL.

Jennings>Driver

DBroncos4life
01-14-2010, 11:48 PM
And this is why people think FF has ruined the NFL.

Jennings>Driver

I watched a lot of Packers games this year.

Popps
01-14-2010, 11:54 PM
So then whats the problem? are we trying to find Cinderella?

That's a very "message board guy" question.

You really think there's no middle ground between Marshall and Cinderella, huh?

I need to explain it to you?

Taco John
01-15-2010, 01:13 AM
Cinderella needs to put on about 20 pounds of muscle if she's going to be effective over the middle.

http://www.cartoondollemporium.com/disney/cinderella8.jpg


Plus I've heard that her helmet fits her a little big.

Broncoman13
01-15-2010, 06:10 AM
Did you mean Ochocinco?


:Broncos:

Nope, I was talking about the stud receiver from the Patriots and Broncos... ;D

Yes, Chad Ocho Stinko, thanks.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-15-2010, 06:32 AM
"Marshall's playing style most mimics that of New England's Wes Welker, who this season finished with 123 catches, 1,348 yards, 11.0 YPC, and four TDs."

LOL Hilarious! ROFL!

Good one.

And this is why nobody likes Bleacher Report stories.

jhns
01-15-2010, 06:40 AM
5th player to ever have 3 straight 100 catch seasons. He has the first and third place record for most receptions in a game. He has been one of the best receivers after the catch in the NFL. He has been productive with both Orton and Cutler(I bet you have called one of these bad and argued it a ton). All of that and he just completed his 4th year. He has missed at least a game in each of the past 2 seasons and was still one of the most productive receivers.

This is why bloggers on the bleacher report aren't taken seriously. Marshall is on pace for a HOF career and you are trying to convince people he isn't a real number one? Riiiight...

no-pseudo-fan
01-15-2010, 06:43 AM
Most of us look at the Marshall situation as fans. I do too most of the time. That being said, Brandon has to do what is best for him. NFL careers are short, and if you didn't come in as a 1st round draft pick, you aren't making enough money to live on for the rest of your life. I do not blame him for wanting to get paid top dollar, that is his issue, if I was doing the work I would expect to get paid.

BMarsh played in an brand new offense, with new coaches, and a new quarterback and put up better numbers than he did the year before, also Brandon didn't have any fumbles this year either, which was a big issue the previous year.

What is Brandon Marshall worth to the Broncos? IDK. But trading him away for draft picks, which have a huge chance of not being anything special is not the way to make your team better. I hope we pay him and fix the holes we have so we can make a playoff run next year, rather than create another hole and spend our money on unproven college players.

lostknight
01-15-2010, 07:54 AM
I love how everyone is saying that Brandon has no interest or value, and isn't even a true number one...

Meanwhile we go back a month and look at Brandon breaking TO's record.

Talking point from Dove Valley didn't make sense last off-season, and they don't make sense already this off-season.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-15-2010, 08:21 AM
He's also one of the few receivers in the league you can just throw it up to, regardless of the situation, and has the ability to make a play. Like the Dallas game. Is there any doubt in your mind Kyle just threw it to Brandon hoping he would come down with it and make a play?

RaiderH8r
01-15-2010, 08:26 AM
somebody that is a team player.

I'm a team player. And one helluva guy in the locker room. I'm sweet, I don't kick dogs, my mom loves me, I contribute to the Red Cross, I'm drug free, I don't bring guns to the locker room, I don't do the "club" scene, I like my strip club status to be anonymous if I ever go at all, I avoid cameras, I know my cliches, I can learn the playbook, I can catch a ball and I can run a route. Pay me my money.

RaiderH8r
01-15-2010, 08:27 AM
He's also one of the few receivers in the league you can just throw it up to, regardless of the situation, and has the ability to make a play. Like the Dallas game. Is there any doubt in your mind Kyle just threw it to Brandon hoping he would come down with it and make a play?

Screw that noise. Playmakers are a dime a dozen, is he a "team" player in the eyes of the Mane?

Pony Boy
01-15-2010, 09:53 AM
Pony Boy, u r soooo wrong. Brandon can be a #1 receiver on 24 teams minimum (yes, a number I like to throw out). He is a #1 and teams would give up a #1 plus more for him. He is already a proven #1 WR. Only problem is will there be less because of his behavior? He is a ME player not a team player. Some team out there wont care and need a top notch wideout. Maybe Chicago? He would help out Cutler to at least some b****in stats for fantasy football.

I didn't write the article and really don't agree with it....... Just an interesting take from someone on the outside looking in..... I agree Marshalls a beast and a player, he just doesn't want to be a Bronco.

rastaman
01-15-2010, 10:06 AM
He's a beast when he wants to be.

He fits fine into any offense. His physical skills aren't the problem.

Yep! His wallet/bank account is a little light when you compare what physical athletic talent he brings to the field.

Thats one of the Problem. The other 3 problems are Josh McD and Kyle Orton and a team thats in a full blown 2-3 year rebuilding mode.

rastaman
01-15-2010, 10:08 AM
I didn't write the article and really don't agree with it....... Just an interesting take from someone on the outside looking in..... I agree Marshalls a beast and a player, he just doesn't want to be a Bronco.

He would have loved to have been a Bronco.....but he and McD just can't get along and trust one another anymore.

Oh and by the way....Marshall having Orton throwing him the ball is like having to take a "Fat Girl" to the Sr. Prom or the ESPY Awards.

rastaman
01-15-2010, 10:10 AM
Screw that noise. Playmakers are a dime a dozen, is he a "team" player in the eyes of the Mane?

Team Player! or McDaniel's Player! the two aren't exclusive.

TailgateNut
01-15-2010, 10:15 AM
Yep! His wallet/bank account is a little light when you compare what physical athletic talent he brings to the field, and considering the escrow required for future representation by various legal firm after his inevitable encounters with law enforcement.

Thats one of the Problem. The other 3 problems are Josh McD and Kyle Orton and a team thats in a full blown 2-3 year rebuilding mode.

Just calling a duck, a duck.

rastaman
01-15-2010, 10:25 AM
Pony Boy, u r soooo wrong. Brandon can be a #1 receiver on 24 teams minimum (yes, a number I like to throw out). He is a #1 and teams would give up a #1 plus more for him. He is already a proven #1 WR. Only problem is will there be less because of his behavior? He is a ME player not a team player. Some team out there wont care and need a top notch wideout. Maybe Chicago? He would help out Cutler to at least some b****in stats for fantasy football.

The Ravens sure could use him. So could Cincy, Cow Girls, Wash, Jets, Saints, Ariz, Eagles, Titans, and 49ers just to name a few.

I think teams aren't going to give McD a 1st and 3rd for BMarsh. What we will likely see are teams that are only willing to give up a 1st only or a 1st and 5th. If McD doesn't budge, the other teams would just love to see Marshall back in Denver in 2010 to watch the drama unfold btwn Marshall and McD and in the locker room. Then in 2011 everyone can start all over again bidding for the services of Marshall.

Brandon is still in the driver seat b/c he's a non-beastly commodity in the NFL. Teams know Marshall's stats may decline should McD's crazy compensation trade demands can't be met. Hell Bowlen might call Josh into his office during FA signing period and simple say "Lets trade Bmarsh" by any means necessary! We need to get this cancer out of a Denver uniform. Take a god damned 1st pick for him and lets move the F*#K forward! TRADE HIS ASS! Marshall just needs to avoid the injury bug in 2010-011 and 012.

rastaman
01-15-2010, 10:28 AM
Just calling a duck, a duck.

BMarsh is more likely to get injured on the football field of play than he is to have another run in with the law. Those off the field issues are behind him. Whats most challenging is what is front of him in regards with getting out of Denver or enduring playing for McD again in 2010.

TheDave
01-15-2010, 10:33 AM
BMarsh is more likely to get injured on the football field of play than he is to have another run in with the law. Those off the field issues are behind him. Whats most challenging is what is front of him in regards with getting out of Denver or enduring playing for McD again in 2010.

Stop that... the kid was arested AGAIN just last season.

The guy is a beast both on and off the field.

TailgateNut
01-15-2010, 10:53 AM
BMarsh is more likely to get injured on the football field of play than he is to have another run in with the law. Those off the field issues are behind him. Whats most challenging is what is front of him in regards with getting out of Denver or enduring playing for McD again in 2010.

OKeeDokee Ms Cleo!

Arkie
01-15-2010, 10:54 AM
"Marshall's playing style most mimics that of New England's Wes Welker, who this season finished with 123 catches, 1,348 yards, 11.0 YPC, and four TDs."

LOL Hilarious! ROFL!

Good one.

And this is why nobody likes Bleacher Report stories.

They must have overlooked the fact that Brandon Marshall is the mirror image of Dallas Clark! Hilarious!

Marshall 101 rec, 1120y, 11.1 avg, 10 TDs, eleven 20 yarders, four 40 yarders, 56 1st downs
Clark - 100 rec, 1106y, 11.1 avg, 10 TDs, eleven 20 yarders, three 40 yarders, 59 1st downs

rastaman
01-15-2010, 10:57 AM
Stop that... the kid was arested AGAIN just last season.

The guy is a beast both on and off the field.

Well gotta start somewhere right! Since his last court hearing.....Marashall hasn't gotten into any trouble since. In essence Marshall is building a new reputation off the field. He's gone 6 or 7 mos. w/o any run in with the Law.

Brandon is in the driver seats now. Imagine if Marshall is made to stay in Denver in 2010 and the drama and tention ensues btwn himself and McD and McD reacts by benching or suspending Marshall. Does this move even lower Marshalls trade value for 011? In 2011 can Denver again ask a 1st and 3rd for Marshall after McD's stats decline?

In 2010, Marshall trade value will be at its higest in my opinion and McD should try and get a 1st round pick to move Marshall and not dick around with wanting a 3rd round pick as well. Quite while you're ahead McD.

rastaman
01-15-2010, 11:00 AM
OKeeDokee Ms Cleo!

Thank you very much Becky!

TailgateNut
01-15-2010, 11:00 AM
Well gotta start somewhere right! Since his last court hearing.....Marashall hasn't gotten into any trouble since. In essence Marshall is building a new reputation off the field. He's gone 6 or 7 mos. w/o any run in with the Law.
Brandon is in the driver seats now. Imagine if Marshall is made to stay in Denver in 2010 and the drama and tention ensues btwn himself and McD and McD reacts by benching or suspending Marshall. Does this move even lower Marshalls trade value for 011? In 2011 can Denver again ask a 1st and 3rd for Marshall after McD's stats decline?

In 2010, Marshall trade value will be at its higest in my opinion and McD should try and get a 1st round pick to move Marshall and not dick around with wanting a 3rd round pick as well. Quite while you're ahead McD.

He deserves a Good Citizen Medal. :~ohyah!:

Rabb
01-15-2010, 11:02 AM
He deserves a Good Citizen Medal. :~ohyah!:

awesome logic huh?

it would be like going to family court after not paying child support for 10 years and telling the judge "I have been paying for 3 months straight!"

broncocalijohn
01-15-2010, 11:48 AM
He deserves a Good Citizen Medal. :~ohyah!:

How does that look on a resume:
After numerous run ins with the law, I have been a good boy for 6 to 7 months.

RaiderH8r
01-15-2010, 12:17 PM
awesome logic huh?

it would be like going to family court after not paying child support for 10 years and telling the judge "I have been paying for 3 months straight!"

Like I said, I'm a great guy. Family loves me, married to my first wife and I take care of my boy. Never been to jail, go to work, pay my taxes and my mom tells me I'm the specialist person anybody could ever want to meet. Let's start a petition to make me the Broncos #1 WR.

fontaine
01-15-2010, 12:53 PM
Marshall isn't acting in any way different to how most WRs who feel they are grossly under paid act.

He gets paid and he'll be fine.

TailgateNut
01-15-2010, 01:07 PM
Marshall isn't acting in any way different to how most WRs who feel they are grossly under paid act.

He gets paid and he'll be fine.

Then he'll be able to go back to "beatin' bitches".;)

Sassy
01-15-2010, 01:10 PM
how does that look on a resume:
After numerous run ins with the law, i have been a good boy for 6 to 7 months.

rofl!

Archer81
01-15-2010, 01:10 PM
Then he'll be able to go back to "beatin' b****es".;)


And slipping on McDonalds bags.


:Broncos:

Bronco Yoda
01-15-2010, 03:11 PM
Most of us look at the Marshall situation as fans. I do too most of the time. That being said, Brandon has to do what is best for him. NFL careers are short, and if you didn't come in as a 1st round draft pick, you aren't making enough money to live on for the rest of your life. I do not blame him for wanting to get paid top dollar, that is his issue, if I was doing the work I would expect to get paid.

I'm not dogging you personally, but I always get a kick out of this statement. As if these players aren't making huge amounts of money from the start. Even a 4-5 year career should net a nice pot to invest with. Let alone someone like BM who's going to have a long career unless injury of course. And are you saying that after football these guys aren't going to be doing anything further? Thirty year old... retired to golf for the rest of their lives?

Most people these days will have to change careers a few times in their life times. Why should athletes be any different?

Popps
01-15-2010, 03:24 PM
Yep! His wallet/bank account is a little light when you compare what physical athletic talent he brings to the field.
.

I agree with that.... and he's got himself to blame.


Thats one of the Problem. The other 3 problems are Josh McD and Kyle Orton and a team thats in a full blown 2-3 year rebuilding mode.

Wouldn't matter. Bowlen and Shanahan didn't extend him, either. "Rebuilding mode" is fine for a young WR. McDaniels helped Moss have one of his best seasons.

So, this is no one's fault but Brandy's.

rastaman
01-15-2010, 03:48 PM
Then he'll be able to go back to "beatin' b****es".;)

Sure why not....maybe he'll beat up some of your Bitches!;)

bowtown
01-15-2010, 03:53 PM
So, this is no one's fault but Brandy's.

I blame BF7.