"You see, it's a crime to act white, or it's a crime to be white"

[broncofan7]

This article reflects my 1st hand experience while attending k-12 in an over 50% black public school system--and oh dfo I wish Footsteps was here to try and refute a BLACK MAN stating what I have written here in the past.
When will the BLACK Leaders in this country step up and begin to change the culture held within poor black communities so that getting an education is not considered 'being white?'


http://www.dolanmedia.com/view.cfm?recID=552049

Subject: Williamsburg County schools settle with students over same-race discrimination
Pub: South Carolina Lawyers Weekly
Author: Fred Horlbeck
Category:
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Issue Date: 12/28/2009 Word Count: 80

Williamsburg County schools settle with students over same-race discrimination
by Fred Horlbeck
Dolan Media Newswires

COLUMBIA, SC -- Two Williamsburg County students and members of their family have reached a $150,000 settlement in what may be the first Title VI lawsuit based on claims of intra-racial discrimination in South Carolina public schools.

Lawrence "Larry" Kobrovsky, a Charleston attorney who focuses his practice on constitutional law and school issues, said the parties settled after a female student's claims of sexual and racial harassment at a Salters school went to trial in U.S. District Court in Florence.

The suit was one of two against the Williamsburg County School District and school officials. The other suit, filed on behalf of the student's uncle, was dismissed.

Both students were members of an African-American family that shared a home in rural Williamsburg County. Both attended public schools at the time of the alleged harassment.

The trial lasted two days, but the case never went to the jury.

Instead, the trial ended after the uncle testified. The next day, a settlement offer was on the table, Kobrovsky said.

"He gives a pretty raw and kind of unvarnished version of what it's like to live in rural Williamsburg County and how the races interact and are separate, which is kind of a world apart. People who aren't living there don't see that," Kobrovsky said.

The two students each received $50,000, and two family members who filed the suits on their behalf received $25,000 apiece, according to Kobrovsky. The settlements were reported to South Carolina Lawyers Weekly last week.

The cases were Gasque, et al. v. Williamsburg County School District et al., Civil Action No. 4:07-CV-01757-RBH; and Gasque v. Williamsburg County School District, et al., Civil Action No. 4:07-CV-1765-RBH.

"What made this unique is that this, as far as I know, is the only Title VI case ever brought in federal court when it's an intra-racial hostile environment," Kobrovsky said.

Title VI prohibits allowing a racially hostile educational environment in schools and programs receiving federal financial assistance and provides for a private cause of action for violations.

The younger student initially asserted nine causes of action, but only the Title VI claim went to trial.

She claimed she suffered emotional trauma because she was subjected to racial and sexual slurs at an elementary school in Salters during September and November 2006. She had to receive home instruction for the rest of the school year, according to an amended complaint.

Despite complaints, school administrative staff and district officials allowed the abuse to "escalate to the point where [she] was physically threatened, assaulted and battered," the suit alleged.

The suit also claimed that a school official and a district official, either individually or together, "retaliated" against the student by causing the state Department of Social Services to launch an abuse-and-neglect investigation of the plaintiffs and their household. The complaint said DSS determined the investigation, which included a strip search of the student, was unfounded.

In their answer, the defendants said DSS had investigated. But they denied causing the investigation and denied the other claims against them.

A lawyer for the defendants, Thomas K. Barlow, did not return a phone call seeking comment prior to publication.

'Acting white'

Proving intra-racial discrimination was a matter of portraying the environment cultural and racial at the students' respective schools, Kobrovsky said.

Both students were African-American, and so was most of the elementary school's student body, according to Kobrovsky. Most students were also black at the high school that her uncle attended.

The problem was the culture of rural Williamsburg County, he said.

"You have a culture where to act like you want to do well in school is considered acting white. And that is part of why we're saying that it was racial, even though the students were all of the same race because they weren't acting how the others thought they should be acting as members of that race," Kobrovsky said.

The uncle testified that racial separation in the county generally meant white students attended private schools while black students attended public schools.

At the public schools, he said, fitting in meant not being what his family was: "churchy," "upright" and wanting education, as another witness put it, according to a trial transcript.

"You see, it's a crime to act white, or it's a crime to be white," the uncle testified.

Harassment, he testified, made him feel that "we are just dumb, we're just not people, we're undergraded, we're degraded, and we're not even supposed to be in this world."

That testimony was the key to the settlement, Kobrovsky said.

"I think the most compelling part was his, and that's, frankly, why it's settled after he testified," Kobrovsky said.

Settlement Report

Brief statement of the claim: The plaintiffs claimed retaliation by public school district against parents and students for complaining about a racially hostile educational environment, in violation of Sect. 601 of Title VI of Chapter 21 of Title 42 of the Civil Rights Act, subchapter V, which prohibits the allowance of a racially hostile educational environment in schools and programs receiving federal financial assistance and provides for a private cause of action for such violations. The U.S. Department of Education, pursuant to 59 Fed. Reg. at 11449, defines a racially hostile educational environment as "one in which racial harassment is severe, pervasive or persistent so as to interfere with or limit the ability of an individual to participate in or benefit from the activities or privileges provided by the recipient"; 42 USC Sect. 1983 claims against superintendent and school principal; defamation, invasion of privacy, abuse of process.

Principal injuries: Physical illness, emotional distress and humiliation

Tried or settled: Settlement of $150,000 after second day of trial

County and court where tried or settled: U.S. District Court for the District of South Carolina Florence Division

Case names and numbers: Gasque, et al. v. Williamsburg County School District et al., Civil Action No. 4:07-CV-01757-RBH; and Gasque v. Williamsburg County School District, et al., Civil Action No. 4:07-CV-1765-RBH.

Date concluded: Oct. 27, 2009

Name of judge: U.S. District Judge Robert Bryan Harwell

Amount: $150,000 for all claims

Insurance carrier: Williamsburg County School District, self-insured, and State Insurance Revenue Fund

Expert witnesses: None

Attorney for plaintiffs: Lawrence C. Kobrovsky (Charleston) for constitutional law claims and Stephen F. DeAntonio, of DeAntonio Law Firm (Charleston), for defamation and invasion of privacy claims.

Submitted by: Lawrence C. Kobrovsky

[Tombstone RJ]

African American leadership in this country is constantly marginalized by many people in the greater African American community (in the US) because they are considered too white. That is, if the white community likes them, then the African American community automatically does not. Some examples I can think of off the top of my head:

1. Condalezza Rice
2. Colin Powell
3. Michael Steele (I think that's his name)
4. Bill Cosby

For whatever reason, the greater African American community will hate these people because they are respected by whites. That's sad, IMHO.

This is why a guy like Colin Powel will never, ever run for a political office. He knows it's a no win situation. He'll never have the support of the African American community because they will brand him as an Uncle Tom leader.

It's better to be a gangsta than a leader, sad but true.

[broncofan7]

African American leadership in this country is constantly marginalized by many people in the greater African American community (in the US) because they are considered too white. That is, if the white community likes them, then the African American community automatically does not. Some examples I can think of off the top of my head:

1. Condalezza Rice
2. Colin Powell
3. Michael Steele (I think that's his name)
4. Bill Cosby

For whatever reason, the greater African American community will hate these people because they are respected by whites. That's sad, IMHO.

This is why a guy like Colin Powel will never, ever run for a political office. He know's it's a no win situation. He'll never have the support of the African American community because they will brand him as an Uncle Tom leader.

It's better to be a gangsta than a leader, sad but true.

Spot on and a sad , sad commentary on life and times in our country today.

[Doggcow]

Oh, I thought this was going to be a Payton Hillis thread

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't understand the article. Getting an education is considered "being white"? Well if that's the case one could take that attitude, however it will disqualify you from all but the hottest and noisiest of jobs.

[broncofan7]

I don't understand the article. Getting an education is considered "being white"? Well if that's the case one could take that attitude, however it will disqualify you from all but the hottest and noisiest of jobs.


what a sheltered live you have lived.
It's apparent that you didn't grow up around a large population of poor blacks

getting an education, speaking proper English, having a job--it is considered acting WHITE....and many poor blacks try to hold down the ones who are trying to make a better life for themselves---this lawsuit just shines a light on a Black on Black problem that has spanned too many generations since the civil rights movement

[Rigs11]

what a sheltered live you have lived.
It's apparent that you didn't grow up around a large population of poor blacks

getting an education, speaking proper English, having a job--it is considered acting WHITE....and many poor blacks try to hold down the ones who are trying to make a better life for themselves---this lawsuit just shines a light on a Black on Black problem that has spanned too many generations since the civil rights movement
so how is this differnet than what reid said?obama had a better chance of being elected becasue he was lighter skinned and spoke more articulate(white). Is this racism?no. is it right? no.

[Garcia Bronco]

what a sheltered live you have lived.
It's apparent that you didn't grow up around a large population of poor blacks



Actually I did. Their economic status? I don't know. But we were poor an lived in the same neighborhood in Virginia.

[broncofan7]

so how is this differnet than what reid said?obama had a better chance of being elected becasue he was lighter skinned and spoke more articulate(white). Is this racism?no. is it right? no.

Did Harry Reid state that Obama would have been ostracized by the mainstream Black community because he speaks such good english and is intelligent? Really? Is that what he said? I must have missed that.....:welcome:

I do find common ground with you though in the thought that what Harry Reid said was in fact NOT RACIST...but it certainly fits the PC definition of Racism--and if his political affiliation had an R and not a D--he'd be sacrificed by the PC police for certain

This article deals with the fact that these two African America children, who while trying to make a better life for themselves through hard work and getting an education, were so harrassed by the majority within their culture--that it warranted a cash settlement. SAD, SAD times--I only wish Footsteps was here to spin this one

[Rigs11]

Did Harry Reid state that Obama would have been ostracized by the mainstream Black community because he speaks such good english and is intelligent? Really? Is that what he said? I must have missed that.....:welcome:

I do find common ground with you though in the thought that what Harry Reid said was in fact NOT RACIST...but it certainly fits the PC definition of Racism--and if his political affiliation had an R and not a D--he'd be sacrificed by the PC police for certain

This article deals with the fact that these two African America children, who while trying to make a better life for themselves through hard work and getting an education, were so harrassed by the majority within their culture--that it warranted a cash settlement. SAD, SAD times--I only wish Footsteps was here to spin this one
uhh no. what he said was that he would have a better chance of being elected for being articulate.in my opinion speaking good english and being intelligent equals being articulate.obama was ostracized by the repubs as being an etilist for this. Did you forget?

[broncofan7]

uhh no. what he said was that he would have a better chance of being elected for being articulate.in my opinion speaking good english and being intelligent equals being articulate.obama was ostracized by the repubs as being an etilist for this. Did you forget?

As was John Kerry--remember the pic of him para-sailing or some such?

[Garcia Bronco]

uhh no. what he said was that he would have a better chance of being elected for being articulate.in my opinion speaking good english and being intelligent equals being articulate.obama was ostracized by the repubs as being an etilist for this. Did you forget?

Obama struggles and makes up woords just like Bush. It's just not as pervasive or pursued in the media.

[bpc]

This is a great thread. We have to somehow bridge this racial devide which is getting worse in the country. We have to change the culture and thinking of these communities, some how, some way and bring all of society together to think as one for what is the best possible solutions in this country. And that should ALWAYS revolve around the education of our youth. It's one of the pillars this country should be propped up on and one of the reasons WHY we as a country are falling so far behind the China's and India's of the world.

[bpc]

This country is still mentally divided on race and the two party political system is doing more to create that divide.

[Rigs11]

Obama struggles and makes up woords just like Bush. It's just not as pervasive or pursued in the media.

wow you are really on a roll. first palin comparison to biden and now bush to obama?it's that darn liberal media huh?

[cutthemdown]

I don't think one of the republicans shouting racism , remove reid, really feels Reid is a racist. They are doing it more because many times when people the black community doesn't like say anything like that they lose there gig or job. It's a big deal sometimes.

This is there way of trying to get back at the Democrats for playing the race card so often.

In the end though Reid may have been done in Nev anyways. The casinos are hurting and more taxes doesn't make people in Nevada warm and cozy.

[cutthemdown]

This country is still mentally divided on race and the two party political system is doing more to create that divide.

I know in my heart I don't want anyone to have a bad life. I would never try and hold someone back because they were black. I believe everyone should have same chance. That's one reason I always agree that inner city schools need more money. Prison reform is an absolute must.

But I also have to say the only black men I feel comfortable around seem to be ones that are musicians. Like having that in common seems to smooth the introduction etc. Black girls however no problem I like trying to meet them. Sometimes they are a lot of fun.

Really though its true what people say. We are a united country, but really its still whites hanging with whites, latinos with latinos, and blacks with blacks. Sure we have lots of diversity, interracial relationships, but those are still rare if you look at the big picture.

So the question is what do we do to get good people, who don't want racial angst, to mix together so that one day there really won't be any barriers?

Isn't it more just something that will take maybe another 100 yrs or so? You can't force it IMO. I do believe though you mix the kids in school, and eventually they will grow up to love all people.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This article reflects my 1st hand experience while attending k-12 in an over 50% black public school system--

Well!

That gives us just a little more insight into the etiology of your racist mindset.

:wave:

[broncofan7]

Well!

That gives us just a little more insight into the etiology of your racist mindset.

:wave:

Right....my 'racist mindset'.........

[bpc]

Well!

That gives us just a little more insight into the etiology of your racist mindset.

:wave:

so i'm late to the party, why is bf7 being called a racist?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

so i'm late to the party, why is bf7 being called a racist?

Based on a previous discussion I had with him.

Fortunately for him I can't remember the thread or I'd post it here.

[rastaman]

what a sheltered live you have lived.
It's apparent that you didn't grow up around a large population of poor blacks

getting an education, speaking proper English, having a job--it is considered acting WHITE....and many poor blacks try to hold down the ones who are trying to make a better life for themselves---this lawsuit just shines a light on a Black on Black problem that has spanned too many generations since the civil rights movement

You guys are forgetting the "One Drop" rule white society has used against the african American Community since time and memorial. The "One Drop Rule" stated if you had one drop of black blood in your genes....you were considered Black by White America and you would not be excepted in their world! White America has always used the "conquer and divide" game plan to keep the drama amongst minorities in this country. So not only blacks in this country deal and endure with the "crab mentality" in their own communities, but once blacks leave their communities and enter into world they must endure the convert or outright racism of mainstream America.

Case in point Collin Powell, when his popularity was at his zenith in the 90's there was talk he should run for President and the Repub. hiearchy said no way b/c conservative voting white America was not ready to vote for a Light Skinned African American.

The plight of racism in this country and how you are excepted and given the opportunity to prosper has been and will always be a challenge to deal with while living in the U.S.

[broncofan7]

You guys are forgetting the "One Drop" rule white society has used against the african American Community since time and memorial. The "One Drop Rule" stated if you had one drop of black blood in your genes....you were considered Black by White America and you would not be excepted in their world! White America has always used the "conquer and divide" game plan to keep the drama amongst minorities in this country. So not only blacks in this country deal and endure with the "crab mentality" in their own communities, but once blacks leave their communities and enter into world they must endure the convert or outright racism of mainstream America.

Case in point Collin Powell, when his popularity was at his zenith in the 90's there was talk he should run for President and the Repub. hiearchy said no way b/c conservative voting white America was not ready to vote for a Light Skinned African American.

The plight of racism in this country and how you are excepted and given the opportunity to prosper has been and will always be a challenge to deal with while living in the U.S.

How does what you wrote have anything to do with the overwhelming negativity that poor black youth must cut through if they want to make a better life for themselves through education and hard work---traits that are definable as acting 'WHITE' by the majority of the poor BLACK community?

[broncofan7]

Based on a previous discussion I had with him.

Fortunately for him I can't remember the thread or I'd post it here.

You mean the fact that you are so full of self hate, that when cases like the JENA-6 fraud and Duke Rape case come out, you are willing to overlook facts and evidence and instead engage in frothy mouthed cries of 'RACISM' for as long and as loud as possible-when all one needs to do is look at FBI crime statistics on interracial violent crime and one can note the far greater tendency for the victim to be white and the aggressor black than vice versa---but keep pretending that this is 1810 and not 2010--you are a sick and demented BOY.

[rastaman]

How does what you wrote have anything to do with the overwhelming negativity that poor black youth must cut through if they want to make a better life for themselves through education and hard work---traits that are definable as acting 'WHITE' by the majority of the poor BLACK community?

It goes back to slavery actually. Can you not recall how the white slave master/owner had the lighter skinned black slaves working in the comfort of the mansion while the darker skinned blacks were made to to the manual labor and work out in the fields.

You don't think this caused annimosity, jealousy, and hatred btwn light skinned and dark skinned blacks! We see this same scenario acting out in todays society btwn light and dark skinned blacks not so much in the slavery mentality or approach, but more so in a 20th/21st century scenario whereas racism remains prevalent in our society but jealousy also reigns supreme in some regard amongst light and dark skinned blacks and it has its roots in slavery.

[broncofan7]

It goes back to slavery actually. Can you not recall how the white slave master/owner had the lighter skinned black slaves working in the comfort of the mansion while the darker skinned blacks were made to to the manual labor and work out in the fields.

You don't think this caused annimosity, jealousy, and hatred btwn light skinned and dark skinned blacks! We see this same scenario acting out in todays society btwn light and dark skinned blacks not so much in the slavery mentality or approach, but more so in a 20th/21st century scenario whereas racism remains prevalent in our society but jealousy also reigns supreme in some regard amongst light and dark skinned blacks and it has its roots in slavery.

this article made no mention of the darkness of complexion of the these two students or their adversaries--you have strayed off topic.

[TheDave]

1. Condalezza Rice


I'm pretty sure every community hates her... just sayin'

[rastaman]

I know in my heart I don't want anyone to have a bad life. I would never try and hold someone back because they were black. I believe everyone should have same chance. That's one reason I always agree that inner city schools need more money. Prison reform is an absolute must.

But I also have to say the only black men I feel comfortable around seem to be ones that are musicians. Like having that in common seems to smooth the introduction etc. Black girls however no problem I like trying to meet them. Sometimes they are a lot of fun.

Really though its true what people say. We are a united country, but really its still whites hanging with whites, latinos with latinos, and blacks with blacks. Sure we have lots of diversity, interracial relationships, but those are still rare if you look at the big picture.

So the question is what do we do to get good people, who don't want racial angst, to mix together so that one day there really won't be any barriers?

Isn't it more just something that will take maybe another 100 yrs or so? You can't force it IMO. I do believe though you mix the kids in school, and eventually they will grow up to love all people.

A good place to start is to realize that when you are born into this world you dont' have a racist outlook or us against them mind set. The issue of racism, biggotry, etc., are all taught and enforced by the adults within any given society.

If you put together 100 2 year olds from different ethnic and racial backgrounds they would all play, socialize, and learn together without looking at ones skin color. However, as the 2 year olds probably reach the age of 6 years old and beyond they really start to see race b/c of whats taught to them by parents, their schools, and their overall social venacular settings.

So its proven that its our environment, social, and parental guidance that encourages or discourages RACISM. This is why even today you see Whites hanging with whites, blacks hanging with blacks, Asians and Latinos and Hispanics all following suit.

[rastaman]

this article made no mention of the darkness of complexion of the these two students or their adversaries--you have strayed off topic.

What you are missing about the entire issue here is that the crab mentality is alive and well w/i the historically black impoverished areas that has had a history of slavery, racism, and injustices.

This doesn't excuse the behavior of other black students for harrashing the two black students who only wanted to improve themselves with education. But I wanted to point out that this is where the behavior has its root cause in.

Just the mere fact that these two black students were accused of acting WHITE, speaks volumes of where all the resentment really rest with. Poor uneducated blacks or those blacks who are not motivated to pursue/further their education have evidently been raised in a household that doesn't value education. I'd like to remind that this isn't just happening in in Black households only. Whites, hispanic, latinos in general are anti-education as well, whereas they do not believe that education can/will get them out of poverty as well.

Acting, behaving or having aspirations to prosper and have a shot at the American dream is viewed largely as acting White or acting Elitest. Due to the fact that it is this segment of society who are successful and are living the American dream.

[yavoon]

the black community is pretty good at enforcing its own perpetual poverty.

[rastaman]

the black community is pretty good at enforcing its own perpetual poverty.

So are the white community in Appalachia America or Latinos in East Los Angeles all mimic their own perpetual poverty. So whats your point Yavooooon?8')

[orinjkrush]

does racism mean you believe the races have different behaviors, or is that culturalism?
that different cultures have different behaviors.
or is it inappropriate to say different people behave differently?
or why is it that certain kinds of people tend to be LOUD?

i'm confused

[watermock]

No.

Experience is real, not illusion.

You can rationalize all you want, but reality is so, like, real.

[~Crash~]

does racism mean you believe the races have different behaviors, or is that culturalism?
that different cultures have different behaviors.
or is it inappropriate to say different people behave differently?
or why is it that certain kinds of people tend to be LOUD?

i'm confused

Watch the express then you will feel like a jack ass white guy. :sunshine:

[~Crash~]

the black community is pretty good at enforcing its own perpetual poverty.

try crawling out of poverty not easy .

[Pseudofool]

Oh the plight of the White Man. Woo is ****ing me. You shame yourself, sir.

[~Crash~]

Oh the plight of the White Man. Woo is ****ing me. You shame yourself, sir.

you talking to me ? if so you are the dumb ass we were damn mean to them and IMO we should try to help them at all cost .

after watching the Express I feel like ****about how those kids were treated

[~Crash~]

we are in this together .

[broncofan7]

Oh the plight of the White Man. Woo is ****ing me. You shame yourself, sir.

Did you even READ the article?

[Northman]

try crawling out of poverty not easy .

It does get extremely difficult when you spend your days shooting hoop and late evenings drinking 40's on the front porch until 2am instead of getting a job.

[rastaman]

It does get extremely difficult when you spend your days shooting hoop and late evenings drinking 40's on the front porch until 2am instead of getting a job.

Out of population of 30 million black people, what percentage of blacks are actually living this way?:pimp:

[yavoon]

try crawling out of poverty not easy .

there's certainly no need to saddle yourself with extremely detrimental social attitudes whilst trying to do it.

[Pseudofool]

there's certainly no need to saddle yourself with extremely detrimental social attitudes whilst trying to do it.
And what coudl possibly give them detrimental attitudes? Think through it. You'll find the agency you give the impoverished to simply shake out of their "funk" just doesn't exist. It takes inspiring figures and ideas to, well, inspire people to achieve better than there lot--such figures, of course, are rare in impoverished communities, and the ones we can name, we remember because of their rarity not their commonness.

[barryr]

Why do blacks need "black leaders" anyway? This promotes the stereotype they can't think for themselves and need these "leaders" to tell them what to think and do. We don't have "white leaders" that I'm aware of and I don't feel the need to have to search them out either. "Hispanic leaders?" "Asian leaders?" Maybe the Irish need leaders too. This goes to the constant need for certain people in this country to have to always group and label people. Besides, if there are these "black leaders" they aren't doing a very good job to help all black people. Looks more like everything else, only helping when politics are involved.

[Spider]

To the author of this thread .........
Dear sir , it has been brought to my attention that you are off on some poor white folk ....
All I can say is , I have an 8th grade education , been in reform school , done some jail time ,Clearly White trash in alot of circles in Society , yet I am doing well and have a good trade ...............Can you tell me a Minority gets the same chances and open doors as I did ?

[broncofan7]

And what coudl possibly give them detrimental attitudes? Think through it. You'll find the agency you give the impoverished to simply shake out of their "funk" just doesn't exist. It takes inspiring figures and ideas to, well, inspire people to achieve better than there lot--such figures, of course, are rare in impoverished communities, and the ones we can name, we remember because of their rarity not their commonness.

And where is the foundation laid for developing those roles models?

The FAMILY UNIT.

Until the impoverished black community begins to treat child bearing as a responsibility and not simply as a scoreboard of 'Baby Mama's', only then will those role models begtin to present themselves. This article describes a symptom of the breakdown of the AA family......

[rastaman]

Why do blacks need "black leaders" anyway? This promotes the stereotype they can't think for themselves and need these "leaders" to tell them what to think and do. We don't have "white leaders" that I'm aware of and I don't feel the need to have to search them out either. "Hispanic leaders?" "Asian leaders?" Maybe the Irish need leaders too. This goes to the constant need for certain people in this country to have to always group and label people. Besides, if there are these "black leaders" they aren't doing a very good job to help all black people. Looks more like everything else, only helping when politics are involved.

Could it be for the same reasons that predominately white Christians are brainwashed and totally gullible when comes to their church leaders. What is it with white conservative Christians where it appears w/o their religion they would turn to a life of drunkenness, drugs, and broken marriages. Why can't white conservatives stand on their own two feet without religion?:angel:

[rastaman]

And where is the foundation laid for developing those roles models?

The FAMILY UNIT.

Until the impoverished black community begins to treat child bearing as a responsibility and not simply as a scoreboard of 'Baby Mama's', only then will those role models begtin to present themselves. This article describes a symptom of the breakdown of the AA family......

Come on Dude, impoverished white communities suffer thru the same social ills when it comes to single parent households or "Babies Mama's". In fact there is a growing epidemic in poorer white communities where there families are being torn apart with Meth Labs. Also, do we need to shed the light on the plight of broken homes, out of wed lock young girls, and absent fathers taking place in small town and Appalachia white dominated America.

[Pseudofool]

Why do blacks need "black leaders" anyway? This promotes the stereotype they can't think for themselves and need these "leaders" to tell them what to think and do. We don't have "white leaders" that I'm aware of and I don't feel the need to have to search them out either. "Hispanic leaders?" "Asian leaders?" Maybe the Irish need leaders too. This goes to the constant need for certain people in this country to have to always group and label people. Besides, if there are these "black leaders" they aren't doing a very good job to help all black people. Looks more like everything else, only helping when politics are involved.
They'd happily take any leaders. But of course leaders who can relate and who've actually have lived through their experience make better leaders. Hell, you want your neighborhood and community leaders to be from your freaking neighborhood and your community. Are you really so dense?

[Pseudofool]

And where is the foundation laid for developing those roles models?

The FAMILY UNIT.

Until the impoverished black community begins to treat child bearing as a responsibility and not simply as a scoreboard of 'Baby Mama's', only then will those role models begtin to present themselves. This article describes a symptom of the breakdown of the AA family......Not that you'd use stereotypes to characterize whole race of people right? (I mean, 'baby mama's' jesus christ, you broad brush bigot).

Again, think through it. How does one learn family values? It's cyclical. You can't expect people to just divine family values, they need to learn it from someone outside of the cycle they were born into. And that someone almost never exists in situations such as these.

[Pseudofool]

Come on Dude, impoverished white communities suffer thru the same social ills when it comes to single parent households or "Babies Mama's". In fact there is a growing epidemic in poorer white communities where there families are being torn apart with Meth Labs. Also, do we need to shed the light on the plight of broken homes, out of wed lock young girls, and absent fathers taking place in small town and Appalachia white dominated America.
Obviously, white trash people aren't actually white, but really secretly black.

[yavoon]

And where is the foundation laid for developing those roles models?

The FAMILY UNIT.

Until the impoverished black community begins to treat child bearing as a responsibility and not simply as a scoreboard of 'Baby Mama's', only then will those role models begtin to present themselves. This article describes a symptom of the breakdown of the AA family......

you can actually track the breakdown of the hispanic family and its ever increasing crime rate in the united states as they move away from white/asian rates and start sloshing towards black rates.

it has to be a little more than family though, as we see in this case the community not only does not value education but has an inborn hatred of people who do value it. there's no realistic way that a value system like that is going to succeed.

[broncofan7]

Not that you'd use stereotypes to characterize whole race of people right? (I mean, 'baby mama's' jesus christ, you broad brush bigot).

Again, think through it. How does one learn family values? It's cyclical. You can't expect people to just divine family values, they need to learn it from someone outside of the cycle they were born into. And that someone almost never exists in situations such as these.

Right, because the term 'baby mama' originated in the suburbs of Beverly Hills by some rich suburban kid--why don't you go create a wikipedia entry on that one.......It's obvious why you cannot swallow this article for the truth that it tells--you have a problem with dealing in REALITY.

Actualfool, even you will have a hard time topping this disengenuous tripe.......

[broncofan7]

Come on Dude, impoverished white communities suffer thru the same social ills when it comes to single parent households or "Babies Mama's". In fact there is a growing epidemic in poorer white communities where there families are being torn apart with Meth Labs. Also, do we need to shed the light on the plight of broken homes, out of wed lock young girls, and absent fathers taking place in small town and Appalachia white dominated America.

No doubt that there are white people who have these same socially crippling values, but to say that these values don't affect a much larger % of the overall black population is simply to ignore the demography of this country.........and this article deals with the sordid reality of many of those impoverished blacks.......

[rastaman]

No doubt that there are white people who have these same socially crippling values, but to say that these values don't affect a much larger % of the overall black population is simply to ignore the demography of this country.........and this article deals with the sordid reality of many of those impoverished blacks.......

Well if you look at the population demograhpics whites make up the largest population in this country (for now) so one would be more inclined to believe that the white population has more people behaving in less than desirable manners/behaviors than than blacks and therefore have a much larger negative impact on our society b/c of their sheer numbers. Out of our 310 million population, whites makeup 200 million plus and studies have proven their are more white people partaking in welfare, food stamps, crimes, drugs, broken homes-families and single parenthood.

Lets just say that welfare, crime, drugs, single parents, and fatherless homes this is "Americas White Secret"!;)

[rastaman]

Obviously, white trash people aren't actually white, but really secretly black.

Yep! the infamous stealth-covert "One Drop of Black Blood" rule must be live and well in Covert Racist America.

[broncofan7]

Well if you look at the population demograhpics whites make up the largest population in this country (for now) so one would be more inclined to believe that the white population has more people behaving in less than desirable manners/behaviors than than blacks and therefore have a much larger negative impact on our society b/c of their sheer numbers. Out of our 310 million population, whites makeup 200 million plus and studies have proven their are more white people partaking in welfare, food stamps, crimes, drugs, broken homes-families and single parenthood.

Lets just say that welfare, crime, drugs, single parents, and fatherless homes this is "Americas White Secret"!;)

If these percentages were on a 1: 1 scale IE--caucasians are 63% of the population and also comprise 63% of those arrested or in jail--then you'd have a valid point...but when there are more black males enrolled at the state pen than in college-and the fact that blacks on a % basis are grossly over represented in crime databases--one realizes that their is something amiss within the poor black sub culture in this country---this article shines some light on one of the underlying causes........

[cutthemdown]

Out of population of 30 million black people, what percentage of blacks are actually living this way?:pimp:

there is no way to guess something like that but I bet more whites still do that then blacks lol. Maybe not on % but still.

Those type of things are not the problem with the black community. The problem is there kids schools stink, many of the dads split or end up in jail.

You can sit on the porch and relax with a 40 ouncer of malt liquor and still be a good man IMO.

You can't however run out on kids, leave women all alone to care for them, and end up in prison.

If we could pump more money into inner city schools and reform our prison system. I think we could really lift the black communities standard of living.

They are obviously a talented and intelligent race that just doesn't nurture the young well enough to overcome the problems in there communities.

[rastaman]

If these percentages were on a 1: 1 scale IE--caucasians are 63% of the population and also comprise 63% of those arrested or in jail--then you'd have a valid point...but when there are more black males enrolled at the state pen than in college-and the fact that blacks on a % basis are grossly over represented in crime databases--one realizes that their is something amiss within the poor black sub culture in this country---this article shines some light on one of the underlying causes........

It seems as if the United States has found a way to legally jail the black man for a longer time without mandating the same for the white man doing the same thing. This is what politics is all about!! This is based on a law that a bunch of white men passed thru Congress, and a white president signed. I am sure that white police officers will enforce the law. A white judge will oversee a white jury in handing down the prison sentence to the black man. Don't forget.... the white rich men will pay the taxes to keep the "unwantables" behind bars...

Isn't it easy to see how the modern democracy handles these racial problems? I wonder how the great god of economics would approach this problem. Supply of crack goes up...blacks in jail goes up. Supply of powder goes up, white get more fines, but stay home to see blacks going to jail on the news.

A person could go on forever on this topic!!!!

[rastaman]

Last but not least, throwing people in jail for years over a non-violent self-abusive behavior like drug possession/use is a good way to reduce the unemployment rate.

If we didn't do this then there would possibly be an additional one million people added to the ranks of the unemployed. What politician needs this?

Just think of all the prison guards and associated workers that would lose their jobs. What would we do with the empty prisons if we didn't house them with non-violent drug law offenders...turn them into schools?

[cutthemdown]

It seems as if the United States has found a way to legally jail the black man for a longer time without mandating the same for the white man doing the same thing. This is what politics is all about!! This is based on a law that a bunch of white men passed thru Congress, and a white president signed. I am sure that white police officers will enforce the law. A white judge will oversee a white jury in handing down the prison sentence to the black man. Don't forget.... the white rich men will pay the taxes to keep the "unwantables" behind bars...

Isn't it easy to see how the modern democracy handles these racial problems? I wonder how the great god of economics would approach this problem. Supply of crack goes up...blacks in jail goes up. Supply of powder goes up, white get more fines, but stay home to see blacks going to jail on the news.

A person could go on forever on this topic!!!!

one reason the numbers skewed is the justice dept throws whites and Latinos into same group when it comes to crime reports. Also they changed the law when it comes to the crack thing right? that was probably a bad law but then again crack is cooked down concentrated coke. Did you know that getting caught with concentrated THC is way worst then just weed? So that law sort of had some precedent.

Still though the justice dept tries to make numbers not seem as bad as they are. In actuality black crime numbers far outweigh whites in terms of violent crimes because our justice dept lumps all non-blacks into the white category.

[broncofan7]

It seems as if the United States has found a way to legally jail the black man for a longer time without mandating the same for the white man doing the same thing. This is what politics is all about!! This is based on a law that a bunch of white men passed thru Congress, and a white president signed. I am sure that white police officers will enforce the law. A white judge will oversee a white jury in handing down the prison sentence to the black man. Don't forget.... the white rich men will pay the taxes to keep the "unwantables" behind bars...
A person could go on forever on this topic!!!!


Hilarious!

[rastaman]

there is no way to guess something like that but I bet more whites still do that then blacks lol. Maybe not on % but still.

Those type of things are not the problem with the black community. The problem is there kids schools stink, many of the dads split or end up in jail. You can't however run out on kids, leave women all alone to care for them, and end up in prison.

Again, you have large segments w/i the white communities that exhibit these same behaviors and outcomes. Especially if you look at what has happened to Red state and rural White America that has become the new Rust Belt b/c of 20 plus years of outsourcing and factory/manufacturing jobs have shut down and gone to 3rd world countries.

The schools have declined, young white girls have given up hope and now think getting pregnant gives them something to look forward to in life. More younger white fathers leave the small towns that were wrecked by outsourcing to find employment elsewhere and never send for the single moms and children to join them.

And lets not forget the new crack cocaine of red state-rural white America now is Meth and Meth labs that are wreaking havoc thru white communities the way crack did in the inner cities back in the 80's and 90's.

So as a result, more white males and females are going to jail due to their addictions and illegally selling of Meth; thus you now see more white children becoming wards of the state or grand parents and other relatives raising them while their parent/parents serve out their jail sentences.

You can sit on the porch and relax with a 40 ouncer of malt liquor and still be a good man IMO.

You see these type of symptoms and behaviors in amongst young and middle age white males in rural and red state America, where these white males have given up hope b/c their manufacturing Blue Collar jobs have been outsourced to low wage 3rd world countries. When any man can't find gain full employment to support himself, wife and family, they become angry, become embarrassed, stressed, and resent their children, they lose hope become lazy, cynical, and become risk takers to partake in activities outside the law.

If we could pump more money into inner city schools and reform our prison system. I think we could really lift the black communities standard of living.

They are obviously a talented and intelligent race that just doesn't nurture the young well enough to overcome the problems in there communities.

Again, we as a society must nurture and care for the weakest amongst us if we are going to be a nation that lives up to her full potential. However, if you have continued covert racism, rogue elements with the legal system and law enforcement, allowing inner cities/urban, rural and small towns/cities to go by the way side; poverty will only flourish and perpetuate itself into a vicious circle of crime and despair. Also, I couldn't agree with you more, parental responsibility and involvement as well as valuing education is key to ending poverty and despair, the only problem is how do you stop the bleeding of generational parental irresponsibility or just plain absenteeism.

Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means advocating for some form of utopia. However, if we as a country have over 2 million people behind bars then something has failed or we as a society have failed b/c right now the U.SA has the largest penal system in the known world and that includes Communist-Free Market China.

[Northman]

Out of population of 30 million black people, what percentage of blacks are actually living this way?:pimp:

29.9 Million. Hilarious!

[kappys]

Based on the article it seems like the school handled this in a pretty poor fashion and perhaps a judgement is warranted.

However I am quite skeptical of the foundation of Title IX being used for this. As the case was settled I suppose we won't have any sort of formal opinion.

As for being hassled for doing well in school, being "churchy" and "upright"; I hate to say this is present in many "white" schools - or at least it was in the one I went to. Nevertheless, I suspect the real difference is in the degree of mean spirited teasing which can easily escalate beyond control if measures are not put in place.

[DomCasual]

So, who do you guys like in that new Caucasian Basketball League they're talking about on the main board?