Haitians Paying for "Pact With the Devil"

[Rohirrim]

Anyway, that's what Pat Robertson says. He also thinks this earthquake could be "...a blessing for them."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/13/haiti.pat.robertson/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn

[Meck77]

Pat's a gutless drunk.

[watermock]

The Haitians "were under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon III and whatever," Robertson said on his broadcast Wednesday. "And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the French.' True story. And so, the devil said, 'OK, it's a deal.' "



Robetson/Palin.

Instant fail.

[baja]

He's the Al Davis of TV evangelists.

[atomicbloke]

I wonder when God will punish America for all our liberal sins.

[bpc]

When one skinhead says a racist term, it doesn't mean all white people think that way.

Apply that to religion/Christianity, whatever your god is and the people that follow it.

There are idiots in every group/class of society.

God bless the people in the Haitian tragedy.

[watermock]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=4538&dateline=1237443076

Punish me oh lord!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I wonder when God will punish America for all our liberal sins.

Perhaps He'll start with you (for your avatar.) Ha!

[TailgateNut]

When one skinhead says a racist term, it doesn't mean all white people think that way.

Apply that to religion/Christianity, whatever your god is and the people that follow it.

There are idiots in every group/class of society.

God bless the people in the Haitian tragedy.

What kind of "following" (cult numbers) does he have? ....and these folks are still there after the stupid **** this hypocrite said after Katrina.

He needs to be in a rubber room. ****ing Nutwad.

[Garcia Bronco]

What kind of "following" (cult numbers) does he have? ....and these folks are still there after the stupid **** this hypocrite said after Katrina.

He needs to be in a rubber room. ****ing Nutwad.

So I grew up about 5 miles from his house and his CBN campus. I remember when it was two buildings....now it literally is a campus with a "college" called "Regent University" with like 15 buildings and its sickening. It all stems from donations to his tele-evangalist show called the 700 Club.

[Dukes]

What kind of "following" (cult numbers) does he have? ....and these folks are still there after the stupid **** this hypocrite said after Katrina.

He needs to be in a rubber room. ****ing Nutwad.

Absolutely, talk about a real wackjob.

[TailgateNut]

So I grew up about 5 miles from his house and his CBN campus. I remember when it was two buildings....now it literally is a campus with a "college" called "Regent University" with like 15 buildings and its sickening. It all stems from donations to his tele-evangalist show called the 700 Club.

I know where his Cult campus is located. I built a Co-gen plant a few miles from the interstate in Chesapeake back in the 80's. It's sickening that swine like he have followers and tax exempt status.

[watermock]

Hey, let's give some respect for Tim Baker and Tammy Faye.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vSirnKKlFe8/SW-yB1HRNaI/AAAAAAAAA8I/xc0pZ1aOEr0/s400/the+bakers.bmp

once called into one of thos shows and while they were harping for money, I got on he land line and said My son had lukemia, had no insurance and wondred if they could raise 2k...frekin' 2k for a place to stay in nashville for my wife and kids.

They asked for a donation and said they would pray.

[Tombstone RJ]

Oh puhleeeze!

Really, you want to crucify Roberston for having an opinion? Listen, the guy has been around for many, many years and his history/record speaks for itself.

All he's doing is drawing some conclusions from his own personal beliefs. Whether you agree with is beliefs or not, he certainly has a right to express them.

Haiti, for whater reason, has been hammered over the years with catastrophe after catastrophe. Call it BAD LUCK, call it KHARMA, call it whatever you want. However, you can't deny the fact that it's been pretty much kicked hard over and over again.

Pat is saying he thinks it's due to their pact with the devil, ok Pat, fine. But for people like you and me to say he's "insane" or whatever is a little silly.

[snowspot66]

Honestly I think he's just becoming more and more senile.

[Rohirrim]

Oh puhleeeze!

Really, you want to crucify Roberston for having an opinion? Listen, the guy has been around for many, many years and his history/record speaks for itself.

All he's doing is drawing some conclusions from his own personal beliefs. Whether you agree with is beliefs or not, he certainly has a right to express them.

Haiti, for whater reason, has been hammered over the years with catastrophe after catastrophe. Call it BAD LUCK, call it KHARMA, call it whatever you want. However, you can't deny the fact that it's been pretty much kicked hard over and over again.

Pat is saying he thinks it's due to their pact with the devil, ok Pat, fine. But for people like you and me to say he's "insane" or whatever is a little silly.

Uhh, he's insane.

[Garcia Bronco]

Hey, let's give some respect for Tim Baker and Tammy Faye.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vSirnKKlFe8/SW-yB1HRNaI/AAAAAAAAA8I/xc0pZ1aOEr0/s400/the+bakers.bmp

once called into one of thos shows and while they were harping for money, I got on he land line and said My son had lukemia, had no insurance and wondred if they could raise 2k...frekin' 2k for a place to stay in nashville for my wife and kids.

They asked for a donation and said they would pray.

"Jim" Baker suffered a Ken Lay after getting busted embezzing from his PTL (Pass the Loot) program.

[gyldenlove]

Oh puhleeeze!

Really, you want to crucify Roberston for having an opinion? Listen, the guy has been around for many, many years and his history/record speaks for itself.

All he's doing is drawing some conclusions from his own personal beliefs. Whether you agree with is beliefs or not, he certainly has a right to express them.

Haiti, for whater reason, has been hammered over the years with catastrophe after catastrophe. Call it BAD LUCK, call it KHARMA, call it whatever you want. However, you can't deny the fact that it's been pretty much kicked hard over and over again.

Pat is saying he thinks it's due to their pact with the devil, ok Pat, fine. But for people like you and me to say he's "insane" or whatever is a little silly.

So how far do you think this freedom to express personal beliefs stretch?

[Fedaykin]

Pat is saying he thinks it's due to their pact with the devil, ok Pat, fine. But for people like you and me to say he's "insane" or whatever is a little silly.

If a guy has an insane opinion, does that not make him insane? No one is saying he doesn't have the right to express said opinion -- just that said opinion clearly demonstrates his insanity.

[Garcia Bronco]

So how far do you think this freedom to express personal beliefs stretch?

Unil he infringes on the rights of other. The ironic part about it is people repeat what he says giving his "message" more meaning and influence than it needs. I don't agree with what he said and I question how he knows about their pact with the devil unless he has one as well. I do however defend his right to express it.

[Fedaykin]

When one skinhead says a racist term, it doesn't mean all white people think that way.

Apply that to religion/Christianity, whatever your god is and the people that follow it.

There are idiots in every group/class of society.

God bless the people in the Haitian tragedy.

The difference, of course, is this "one guy" has a large following (in the millions) and despite all his actions and words, that following remains. So, it's not a problem within a group/class, it's a problem with the whole group/class.

[Fedaykin]

Unil he infringes on the rights of other. The ironic part about it is people repeat what he says giving his "message" more meaning and influence than it needs. I don't agree with what he said and I question how he knows about their pact with the devil unless he has one as well. I do however defend his right to express it.

Pointing out insane ravings doesn't give it more meaning, except to people who already buy into the insanity at the core of that message.

[Garcia Bronco]

Pointing out insane ravings doesn't give it more meaning, except to people who already buy into the insanity at the core of that message.

You repeat the lie, regardless of your beliefs, and you spread the message.

[Garcia Bronco]

The difference, of course, is this "one guy" has a large following (in the millions) and despite all his actions and words, that following remains. So, it's not a problem within a group/class, it's a problem with the whole group/class.

Millions might be a stretch.

[Smiling Assassin27]

It's a total judgment call by Robertson. One without foundation and one devoid of sensitivity and/or temperance (a Christian virtue). The guy obviously has a reason to believe this, and i'm sure he's williing to own the statement he's made.

It's not much different from a mullah claiming 9/11 to be Allah's chastisement of America or a Hassidic Jew claiming that the Holocaust was a chastisement of the Jewish people for its sins. Most major theologies--especially those based in Holy Writ--consider God's chastisement of nations and people as part of the plan, a la Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. What he probably means by 'a blessing' is obviously tough for many to comprehend.

Christian tradition has taught that natural evils are the consequence of some moral evil. Good and holy people suffer the loss of the original happiness of our first parents, with the miseries that accompany that loss. Further, the disasters that hit the good and bad alike are acts of Divine Providence that fulfill a moral purpose. Not recognizing this, the bad blame God for not caring or for allowing suffering. Recognizing this, the good see their own suffering as expiation, for their own sins and for the sins of humanity. The 'blessing', then, is of a spiritual nature, not a physical one. Though the physical blessing can follow the spiritual.

The disconnect lies in the credibility of Pat Robertson, however. Dude predicted a tsunami in the US for 2006 and a terrorist attack of 9/11 proportions for 2007. These guys often shoot themselves in the foot by overstepping their authority and charism by predicting things like the end of the world and explaining natural disasters and Divine Providence with senseless blather like this. Nuff said.

[baja]

Honestly I think he's just becoming more and more senile.

Clearly this is what is happening.

[TailgateNut]

Oh puhleeeze!

Really, you want to crucify Roberston for having an opinion? Listen, the guy has been around for many, many years and his history/record speaks for itself.

All he's doing is drawing some conclusions from his own personal beliefs. Whether you agree with is beliefs or not, he certainly has a right to express them.

Haiti, for whater reason, has been hammered over the years with catastrophe after catastrophe. Call it BAD LUCK, call it KHARMA, call it whatever you want. However, you can't deny the fact that it's been pretty much kicked hard over and over again.

Pat is saying he thinks it's due to their pact with the devil, ok Pat, fine. But for people like you and me to say he's "insane" or whatever is a little silly.


BS!! He's as wacky as Mr "God told me to do it".

These types need to be exterminated.

[Smiling Assassin27]

reading material..part 1

God, Satan, and the Birth of Haiti
Part One
Jean R. Gelin, Ph.D.


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Explaining Haiti
Right or wrong, Haiti is considered the point of entry of Christianity into the New World because it is the place where Christopher Columbus built the first Spanish colony after landing on December 5th, 1492. Roman Catholicism was the official religion of Spain, and thus was imposed on all the original inhabitants of the island. The natives were made Christians by force and the island was called ‘Hispaniola’, meaning ‘little Spain’. Before long the Indian population was enslaved and wiped out, and Africans were imported as replacements. But that’s not all.

Haiti is the only place in the world where revolutionary African slaves successfully ended slavery and colonialism to build a new and independent country. All this happened when Jean-Jacques Dessalines, his Generals, along with the indigenous army, proclaimed Haiti’s independence from France on January 1st, 1804. On that day, they rejected the colonial name ‘Saint-Domingue’ and reclaimed the Indian name Haiti (Ayiti1) for the country.

In celebration of Haiti’s bicentenary, the United Nations General Assembly has proclaimed 2004 the ‘International Year to Commemorate the Struggle against Slavery and its Abolition’. Ironically, in that same year, several thousands soldiers from different countries landed in the country as the ‘United Nations Stabilization Mission in Haiti’ (MINUSTAH2). Two hundred years after its independence and at less than 700 miles from the coast of Florida, Haiti has become the most unstable and the poorest country of the western hemisphere. Although Haiti’s free fall can easily be understood from a strictly historical perspective, religious arguments have been used by many to follow and explain the demise of this tiny nation.

Have you ever heard how some preachers or theologians try to explain the unspeakable misery that is crippling most of Haiti’s population of 8 million? Everywhere you go, from your television screen to the Internet, what you are most likely to find is a reference to a spiritual pact that the fathers of the nation supposedly made with the devil to help them win their freedom from France. As a result of that satanic alliance, as they put it, God has placed a curse on the country some time around its birth3, and that divine burden has made it virtually impossible for the vast majority of Haitians to live in peace and prosperity in their land. Surprising, right?

The satanic pact allegedly took place at Bois-Caïman near Cap-Haïtien on August 14, 1791 during a meeting organized by several slave leaders, under [Dutty] Boukman’s leadership, before launching what would become Haiti’s Independence War. This brutal period lasted 13 years until the last survivors of the French expeditionary forces, dispatched to Saint-Domingue with the sole purpose to re-establish slavery, were allowed by Dessalines to leave the island and return to Napoleon. Those who made it safely to France wrote and reported about the utmost bravery and supreme courage of Haiti’s indigenous army.

Obviously, the idea that Haiti was dedicated to Satan prior to its independence is a very serious and profound statement with potentially grave consequences for its people in terms of how they are perceived by others or how the whole nation is understood outside its borders. One would agree that such a strong affirmation should be based on solid historical and scriptural ground. But, although the satanic pact idea is by far the most popular explanation for Haiti’s birth as a free nation, especially among Christian missionaries and some Haitian Church leaders, it is nothing more than a fantasist opinion that ultimately dissipates upon close examination.

Exploring the religious argument
I was born and raised in Haiti, and I am a graduate of the State University in Port-au-Prince. I am also a believer in the Lord Jesus-Christ in accordance with the Bible. In all of my studies of Haitian history, however, I have yet to find a good evidence of even the idea of Satan’s assistance in the Independence War, let alone a satanic pact.

For quite some time now, several articles on the Internet have mentioned the existence of an iron pig statue in Port-au-Prince as a monument to commemorate Haiti’s so-called pact with the devil through Vodou. The statue would be in remembrance of a pig that was killed during the gathering by the African slaves. In an effort to know more about that rumor, I contacted several authors about the exact location of the pig statue that’s incidentally nowhere to be found in the country. Their answer was complete silence, a simple apology, or just the removal of the reference from their texts.

One writer was grateful to me for pointing out the inaccuracy of her article, and she made the necessary adjustment. But I am sure that the same allusion can be found somewhere in other published pieces of writing and documents. The worst part of the whole picture is that the story is believed by many sincere Christians in America and around the world; and not only do they believe it, they also spread it as fact. The tragedy of our age is that repeated lies are often mistaken for the truth, especially when repeated long enough. That’s particularly the case in religious circles where faith on the part of the audience is generally expected, but that should never be so for those who believe in the Bible.

Maybe, believers need to return to biblical texts like 1 Thessalonians 5:21, “Test everything. Hold on to the good”.

It’s hard to know where the idea of a divine curse on Haiti following the purported satanic pact actually originated, whether from foreign missionaries or from local church leaders. In his book Ripe Now - A Haitian congregation responds to the Great Commission4, Haitian pastor Frantz Lacombe identified a ‘dependence mentality’ in the leadership of the Haitian church, which resulted from the way the Christian faith was brought to the country, historically and through various denominations. Apparently, this unfortunate manner of thinking, which tends to emulate the worldview and culture of North American and European Christian missionaries, has permeated the general philosophy of the Haitian church on many levels, including church planting, church management, music and even missionary activities.

In that context, I would not be surprised if the satanic pact idea (followed by the divine curse message) was put together first by foreign missionaries and later on picked up by local leaders. On the other hand, it is equally possible that some Haitian church leaders developed the idea on their own using a theological framework borrowed from those same missionaries who subsequently propagated the message around the world. Either way, because of this message, Haiti has been portrayed as the country born out of Satan’s benevolence and goodwill toward mankind. Shouldn’t such a fantastic idea be tested for its historic validity and theological soundness? I invite you to take with me a closer and possibly different look at the available records.

[Smiling Assassin27]

part 2:

God, Satan, and the Birth of Haiti
Part Two
Jean R. Gelin, Ph.D.


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A Closer Look At Bois-Caïman
The proponents of the supposed pact continuously refer to the Bois-Caïman gathering as the place where the satanic contract supposedly took place, even in the absence of solid historical evidence save their own prolific imagination. After extensive research on Haiti and several visits to the country, American writer Robert Heinl and his wife Nancy Heinl published in 1978 a volume on the Haitian revolution that deals with several aspects of Haiti’s painful history including the Bois-Caïman meeting5. According to these authors, Bookman sought the help of the God of heaven in his prayer, and made no mention whatsoever of a spiritual agreement with Satan. Even though the text shows Bookman was talking to the creator and not the devil, some would still contend that he could not have been really talking to God because – the way they see it - Bookman did not know God as they think they know Him.

In addition to the complete absence of any reference to Satan or to a spiritual pact in Bookman’s prayer, there are two other problems associated with such an interpretation of the available records. First, those who hold that view say implicitly that God was in favor of slavery in Saint-Domingue whereas Satan himself was against it. How would they know? And how could that be? The God of the Bible created man in His own image6, and therefore sees all men, women and children as equal in terms of their intrinsic value, regardless of their ethnicity, education or economic status. Satan on the other hand is portrayed in the Bible as a liar, a destroyer of human life, and a murderer7. Therefore, it is logical – at least to me - to think that God and not Satan would be in favor of ending the sufferings of the African slaves in the French colony of Saint-Domingue.

The second difficulty of that position lies in the fact that God is above all as the God and creator of all. What do I mean? The Bible contains many instances where God was involved with or answered the sincere prayers of people who were not partakers of His existing covenant but nevertheless acknowledged His existence, power and character. The supremacy and sovereignty of God is a central and undeniable truth in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. To deny this fact would be to lean toward what I call tribal theology, usually conceived or expressed in terms like these: if you are not a registered member of our church and if you do not serve and worship God the way we do, God cannot and will not answer your prayers. Those who operate under that skewed theological umbrella fail dramatically to understand that the God who said, “You shall have no other gods before me” (Exodus 20:3) never once said, “I shall answer no other prayers but yours”. David was absolutely right about God when he cried: “O you who hear prayer, to you all men will come” (Psalms 65:2). For those of us who believe in God we know that we belong to Him, but God Himself does not exclusively belong to us or to anybody for that matter since He created us all. As much as we are totally dependent upon God the Father for our very existence, God in contrast is totally independent of His creation, and He transcends us all.

So, when Bookman addressed his plea for help to the God of heaven, as the historical record seems to indicate, was it just pure theism? Was it a kind of simple theistic philosophy? You can debate that. But as for a spiritual pact with Satan, I have not yet seen the evidence.

Now, someone could readily ask a legitimate question about the significance of the blood shared by the participants during that unprecedented meeting. The drinking of animal blood could be easily understood in the context of a simple cultural phenomenon. Warm animal blood was routinely used as a source of strength in many ancient cultures. Even today, animal blood is consumed in many parts of Haiti, generally fried or transformed in some other way, but without any spiritual or religious connotation. It’s worth recalling that this particular event took place in 1791 in rural Saint-Domingue during a gathering of malnourished, tortured, violated, abused, and terrorized men and women. The African slaves who needed their physical strength just to stay alive on the plantations found themselves in greater need of their vitality as the time of the general insurrection was approaching. It was neither the first nor the last time they had a taste of animal blood. Furthermore, as reported by the World Health Organization8, blood derivatives and blood-based products are used by many in developed countries for therapeutic purposes, among other things.

But, if there is no good evidence that there ever was a satanic pact, and if the devil didn’t play a role in the success of Haiti’s revolution, who or what did? What most people have probably never heard about Haiti is the real reasons the revolution was possible in the first place, 200 years ago.

Moving From Saint-Domingue Into Haiti
The heroes of Haiti’s independence succeeded in defeating slavery and colonialism for two main reasons. First, they were united by a clear and common goal – and that’s not a small thing considering the extent of the fragmentation of the colonial society. These brave men and women were united in their misery and humiliation, and that made them ready to die fighting for their common freedom rather than continue to live as mere disposable properties of the French slave masters.

Prior to 1791, there were several isolated attempts by various socio-economic or ethnic groups to bring about profound structural changes in the colony. Some wanted to escape slavery whereas others needed to maximize their profits or to reach their goals of liberty and equality with the most privileged of the system.9 Among the Indians (native Haitians) who very early fought against slavery stands the name of Chief Henri who succeeded in building a small independent community of people living freely in the mountains. Many years later, mulattoes such as Ogé and Chavannes lost their lives trying to reach equality with the whites. At the same time, African slaves were constantly fleeing to the mountains to live freely whenever they had the opportunity to escape the horrors of the plantations in the plains. Even underprivileged and poor whites were also unhappy with the system and wanted to see significant changes that would give them greater advantages.

In the movement that followed Bois-Caïman, however, the revolting African slaves and the already free mulattoes were united in one big army with one purpose: abolish both slavery and colonialism in Saint-Domingue. With such a clear goal, their combined strength made them unstoppable. Unity among men is so powerful that even God at some point had to come down from heaven to stop a rebellious design put together by united men and women who apparently did not like the divine plan for their lives10. Conversely, Jesus explained what happens when unity is absent in any human institution: “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand” (Matthew 12:25). It was obviously because of their intense unity that the heroes of Haiti’s Independence were able to succeed. And until today, Haiti’s maxim remains “L’union Fait La Force” (translated “Unity Creates Strength”). But the principle of unity itself was not the only factor for Haiti’s early success.

The second reason for 1804 is that as many of Haiti’s first leaders were Catholic Christians11, they believed with all their heart and mind that it was the will of God for them to either live as free men and women or at least die fighting for their freedom. I invite you to read for yourself how these heroic men described their conditions and motives – in their own words:

God who fights for the innocent is our guide, He will not forsake us. To win or to die! There lies our motto that we will defend up to the last drop of our blood. We lack neither powder nor canons. So, Death or Liberty! May God grant it to us without the shedding of blood. Then all our wishes will be fulfilled.12

This is an excerpt from a letter sent to the French Governor Blanchelande who wanted to know why the slaves had revolted, as if being a slave was not in and of itself a sufficient reason. But what is interesting about the exchange is that it took place not before but after the Bois-Caiman meeting. Now, why would they claim God was on their side and guiding them, if – as the rumor goes - they had already made an alliance with the devil? It seems to me that if anybody had to know about the existence or non-existence of a satanic agreement it must have been the very people who made the deal, if such a thing ever took place. Among those who fought, bled, and died for Haiti’s independence, there may have well been some who believed and practiced Vodou and others who probably had no religious faith at all and believed only in their weapons. But as for the actual leaders of the revolution, the letter says a lot about the object of their faith and the source of their strength and determination. The above excerpt clearly shows that the fathers of the Haitian revolution believed God was on their side, guiding them as the protector and defender of the innocent.

[Tombstone RJ]

BS!! He's as wacky as Mr "God told me to do it".

These types need to be exterminated.

And your just the guy to do it! :peace:

[Dagmar]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-raushenbush/go-to-hell-pat-robertson_b_422397.html

Haiti is suffering, and the only response from Christians and other decent human beings is compassion, love, and all the concrete support we can supply. Tonight I am going to be with students from Haiti, and students who have family there. We are going to offer prayers and support for one another. This disaster has to become front and center in the hearts and minds of Americans. We should all be thinking of how to help.
Instead, Pat Robertson opined on his TV show, the 700 Club (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/13/pat-robertson-haiti-curse_n_422099.html) that this happened because, in order to gain liberty from the French, Haiti (read: black people) made a pact with the Devil.
"Something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it. They were under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon III, or whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the Devil. They said, we will serve you if you'll get us free from the French. True story. And so, the Devil said, okay it's a deal." Go to Hell, Pat Robertson -- and the sooner the better. Your 'theological' nonsense is revolting. Don't speak for Haiti, and don't speak for God. Haiti is suffering a catastrophe and you offer silliness at best, and racism at the worst. Haiti was the first island in the Western hemisphere to overthrow slavery and white oppression -- this is what you call a pact with the Devil? God's heart is breaking with this tragedy, and ours should be too. You never had much credibility -- but now it is all gone.
That is enough time spent on you. Let's get back to thinking how we can call upon all of the goodness in our traditions and in our country to help the people of Haiti.

[Tombstone RJ]

I'll wager that there are more Christian organizations in Haiti right now, or going there very soon, to help out than any other religious organizations in the world.

Anyone want to put a friendly wager on that? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?

























Bueller, Bueller, Bueller....

[TailgateNut]

And the other Corksucker (Rush) chimes in: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/14/limbaugh-weve-already-don_n_422958.html


"Well, it didn't take long for conservative firebrand Rush Limbaugh to use the crisis in Haiti to attack President Obama politically. On his radio show yesterday Limbaugh said the earthquake in Haiti will play right into Obama's hands by allowing him to play up his "compassionate" and "humanitarian" credentials, and that the President will use this crisis to "boost his credibility with the black community."

As if that weren't enough, Limbaugh also pivoted off a caller who complained about Obama directing the public to the White House website to find charitable organizations operating in Haiti to promote a conspiracy theory that finding these charities via the White House website puts your money at risk of not reaching Haitians.

Limbaugh also seems to feel we've done enough already for Haiti: "We've already donated to Haiti. It's called the U.S. income tax.""

[Tombstone RJ]

And the other Corksucker (Rush) chimes in: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/14/limbaugh-weve-already-don_n_422958.html


"Well, it didn't take long for conservative firebrand Rush Limbaugh to use the crisis in Haiti to attack President Obama politically. On his radio show yesterday Limbaugh said the earthquake in Haiti will play right into Obama's hands by allowing him to play up his "compassionate" and "humanitarian" credentials, and that the President will use this crisis to "boost his credibility with the black community."

As if that weren't enough, Limbaugh also pivoted off a caller who complained about Obama directing the public to the White House website to find charitable organizations operating in Haiti to promote a conspiracy theory that finding these charities via the White House website puts your money at risk of not reaching Haitians.

Limbaugh also seems to feel we've done enough already for Haiti: "We've already donated to Haiti. It's called the U.S. income tax.""

Good thing you follow Rush so closely. If it wasn't for posters like you, I'd be completely Rush free...



























oh well, someone has to bite...

[TailgateNut]

Good thing you follow Rush so closely. If it wasn't for posters like you, I'd be completely Rush free...



























oh well, someone has to bite...


Yep, I follow him SO CLOSELY. LOL

I checked the article about clown #1 and there was a link to clown #2.

Racist Religious Right!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Gotta love watching a crooked cop spring to Pat R's and Oxycontin Boy's defense.

Classic! Ha!

[Requiem]

Pat (and Rush) have been pissing on non-whites for years. It is their forte. Haiti just happens to be a country in an volatile part of the world geography and has had political instability for quite some time. It's deeper than that, but the "Pact with the Devil" talk is just absurd.

[Tombstone RJ]

So how far do you think this freedom to express personal beliefs stretch?

Under someone expressing a personal religious belief, pretty darn far. Now, I do have common sense and certainly, every public utterance a person like Pat Robertson makes will be under the scrutiny of the media and the public.