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Dagmar
01-10-2010, 01:23 PM
Do Green Bay have a chance?

oubronco
01-10-2010, 01:24 PM
Go Pack

tsiguy96
01-10-2010, 01:25 PM
i like watching the pack play, rooting for em today.

Archer81
01-10-2010, 01:29 PM
Why is Frank Caliendo on tv?


:Broncos:

Los Broncos
01-10-2010, 01:29 PM
Please go away Bradshaw, ****ing go away.

Dagmar
01-10-2010, 01:31 PM
It's be nice if it was actually a good game, the Wild Card weekend has been bloody crap so far!

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 01:38 PM
Why is Frank Caliendo on tv?


:Broncos:

I always say the same thing.

ludo21
01-10-2010, 01:40 PM
Go Cards!!!

So long as Doucet and Breaston step up a bit the passing game should be fine for AZ

Dagmar
01-10-2010, 01:42 PM
Wow, picktastic!

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 01:42 PM
picked already by the cards

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 01:42 PM
Of course Arizona has a chance... They still have a studly d that just got that TO

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 01:47 PM
warner is dicing up the secondary.

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 01:54 PM
omg

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 01:55 PM
Damn Arizona playing off the chain. These guys can ball when it comes to crunch time. They're the anti-Broncos.

Dagmar
01-10-2010, 01:55 PM
Wow, the Cardinals like the playoffs!

SureShot
01-10-2010, 01:57 PM
Looking like a boat race.

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 01:57 PM
Firechickens are making em pay..

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 01:58 PM
At this rate Arizona is gonna score like 200 points.

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 02:17 PM
WTH is the deal with joe buck and the roof of the stadium?

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 02:36 PM
Packers have some fight left in them.

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 02:37 PM
Packers have some fight left in them.

I would hope so, theres tons of time left

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 02:48 PM
GB can't stop the run game..

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 02:50 PM
what an effort by doucet!!

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 02:50 PM
Everyone for Az is stepping up. Shades of last year. Wizz is a great coach.

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 02:54 PM
See, that's what happens when your QB can hit you in stride.

I hope Orton's watching.

Ambiguous
01-10-2010, 03:42 PM
Nice onside right there.

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 03:47 PM
Whoa, we got a game here folks! What a play by ARod

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 03:48 PM
See, that's what happens when your QB can move and make a play.

I hope Orton's still watching.

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 03:50 PM
See, that's what happens when your QB can move and make a play.

I hope Orton's still watching.

Yeah god, ****, he's way better than Peyton Manning because mobility is what is important for a QB.

SouthStndJunkie
01-10-2010, 03:54 PM
Let's go Packers.

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 03:55 PM
Yeah god, ****, he's way better than Peyton Manning because mobility is what is important for a QB.

His statue like pocket presence has done him wonders against the Chuggers recently.

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 03:56 PM
Wells? Moreno? Hmm...

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 03:56 PM
what a catch by fitz!

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 03:56 PM
Terrible roughing call. God damn Kurt Warner bias.

Ambiguous
01-10-2010, 03:57 PM
Holy crap, GB is getting picked apart on D. Perfect TD throw by Warner there.

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 03:57 PM
Wells? Moreno? Hmm...

Wells didn't break 5 tackles in the backfield... I see no comparison here, he just ran through great blocking...

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 04:00 PM
Cards are just doing whetever.

Packers have been too since their terrible first quarter.

Tombstone RJ
01-10-2010, 04:02 PM
Yeah god, ****, he's way better than Peyton Manning because mobility is what is important for a QB.

dude, do you honestly think mobility is bad? that is do you think manning is worse if he had some legs?

mobility goooood, ummkay,,,

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 04:06 PM
well this turned into a game.

Dagmar
01-10-2010, 04:07 PM
69 points so far!

SouthStndJunkie
01-10-2010, 04:07 PM
This has turned into a good game.

SureShot
01-10-2010, 04:08 PM
Two bad the two most boring announcers are doing this game. Somebody shake Aikman I think he fell asleep.

OBF1
01-10-2010, 04:11 PM
Excellent game, glad I tuned in.

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 04:11 PM
Warner, 18-20, 4 TD's. Wow.

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 04:12 PM
dude, do you honestly think mobility is bad? that is do you think manning is worse if he had some legs?

mobility goooood, ummkay,,,

Reading comprehension fail. I was referring to Peyton's lack of mobility, and him still being the best QB in the league.

spdirty
01-10-2010, 04:13 PM
Two bad the two most boring announcers are doing this game. Somebody shake Aikman I think he fell asleep.

I know. This game would be perfect with Dick Enberg and Merlin Olsen.

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 04:16 PM
god the firechickens pass coverage is aweful.

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 04:16 PM
Ouch, losing Clifton could be GB's season even if they win today.

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 04:16 PM
I know. This game would be perfect with Dick Enberg and Merlin Olsen.

Yeah, I liked old Merlin Olsen on NBC in the 80's.

Whatever happened to him?

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 04:19 PM
Tie game, folks.

Almost.

spdirty
01-10-2010, 04:19 PM
oh my!

Kid A
01-10-2010, 04:19 PM
Fun, fun game. Love to watch a good playoff shootout once in a while.

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 04:19 PM
Yeah, I liked old Merlin Olsen on NBC in the 80's.

Whatever happened to him?


not good

http://www.popeater.com/2010/01/04/merlin-olsen-asbestos-lawsuit-cancer/?icid=main|main|dl2|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popeate r.com%2F2010%2F01%2F04%2Fmerlin-olsen-asbestos-lawsuit-cancer%2F

Sassy
01-10-2010, 04:20 PM
wow...a blowout turned into a great game!

spdirty
01-10-2010, 04:20 PM
Yeah, I liked old Merlin Olsen on NBC in the 80's.

Whatever happened to him?

Think he does radio now.

SureShot
01-10-2010, 04:20 PM
Aikman looks like he is at the DMV.

SouthStndJunkie
01-10-2010, 04:20 PM
Green Bay 38

Arizona 38

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 04:21 PM
First team to start playing D wins.

spdirty
01-10-2010, 04:21 PM
not good

http://www.popeater.com/2010/01/04/merlin-olsen-asbestos-lawsuit-cancer/?icid=main|main|dl2|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popeate r.com%2F2010%2F01%2F04%2Fmerlin-olsen-asbestos-lawsuit-cancer%2F

****.

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 04:21 PM
Ouch, losing Clifton could be GB's season even if they win today.

No doubt. Their line took forever to come together.

spdirty
01-10-2010, 04:23 PM
Aikman looks like he is at the DMV.

a trip to Angeles City couldnt excite these 2.

spdirty
01-10-2010, 04:30 PM
oh my!

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 04:30 PM
Damn, what's the over/under in this one?

45-38

SouthStndJunkie
01-10-2010, 04:31 PM
Arizona 45

Green Bay 38

Prodigal19
01-10-2010, 04:31 PM
what a shootout

orinjkrush
01-10-2010, 04:32 PM
when did the NFL turn into the arena league? jeez.

boltaneer
01-10-2010, 04:32 PM
Now this is an entertaining game! Finally!

Kid A
01-10-2010, 04:32 PM
Green Bay has to be planning right now on going for 2 if they do get a late TD here. Pretty sure the successful 2-pt conversion percentages are higher than 50%, which is what they'd face in OT given neither defense is going to put up a fight today.

spdirty
01-10-2010, 04:32 PM
Dreaming of a Cards-Saints matchup. Should be just like this.

SureShot
01-10-2010, 04:35 PM
I smell OT.

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 04:36 PM
For the love of god somebody play defense!!

SouthStndJunkie
01-10-2010, 04:37 PM
Beautiful throw and catch from Rodgers to Jennings.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-10-2010, 04:37 PM
Imagine the boob mojo threads if the Broncos can snag Steve Breaston.

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 04:37 PM
WOW, some catch by Jennings.

Jeez, I wish the Broncos hadn't gone for Javon Walker in 2006.

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 04:44 PM
TD, the white guy!

45-45

SouthStndJunkie
01-10-2010, 04:44 PM
Green Bay 45

Arizona 45

1:52 left in the 4th quarter.

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 04:44 PM
I smell OT.

nice call unless GB can't stop em this drive.

Kid A
01-10-2010, 04:45 PM
nice call unless GB can't stop em this drive.

Which seems inevitable.

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 04:46 PM
This has to be a record.

90 points total so far.

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 04:50 PM
why did they let the clock run with that fitz catch ( he was out of bounds)

Kid A
01-10-2010, 04:50 PM
This has to be a record.

90 points total so far.

113 in 1966 is the record for all games.

95 is the playoff record, and that looks like it could go down.

DBroncos4life
01-10-2010, 04:50 PM
I can't believe Kurt Warner wants to retire after this year.

Kid A
01-10-2010, 04:52 PM
Wow!

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 04:52 PM
omg!!! rackers sliced it!!

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 04:52 PM
Omg!

Rohirrim
01-10-2010, 04:52 PM
You've got to be kidding?!~

SureShot
01-10-2010, 04:52 PM
nice call unless GB can't stop em this drive.

Told you.

Meck77
01-10-2010, 04:52 PM
Got to love playoff football. Wow!

SouthStndJunkie
01-10-2010, 04:52 PM
Gaaaccck!

Kid A
01-10-2010, 04:52 PM
WTF! Rackers misses another clutch FG. Unbelievable.

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 04:53 PM
Musta been the snap by Leach.

LOL

spdirty
01-10-2010, 04:53 PM
good job neil vanderjagt.

Kid A
01-10-2010, 04:53 PM
Coinflip to decide who goes to New Orleans!

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 04:53 PM
Told you.

whoda thunk it.

Blueflame
01-10-2010, 04:53 PM
Announcers totally jinxed him... talking about how he hasn't missed for a long time, etc.

Kid A
01-10-2010, 04:54 PM
GB wins. Wow.

SureShot
01-10-2010, 04:54 PM
GB is going to win it on a Crosby 48 yarder.

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 04:56 PM
Crosby's been just as shaky this season.

Either team better go for the 6.

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 04:57 PM
I predict a rodgers INT.

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 04:59 PM
Bad throw.

That was the game.

Blueflame
01-10-2010, 05:00 PM
Shouldn't that have been a roughing the passer penalty? Defender went helmet-to-helmet with Rodgers...

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 05:01 PM
there it is..

Kid A
01-10-2010, 05:01 PM
LOL. Not sure the defensive players should get to celebrate that too much, but I guess they came through in the end.

Kinda.

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 05:01 PM
Shouldn't that have been a roughing the passer penalty? Defender went helmet-to-helmet with Rodgers...



That only applies if it's brady.

Blueflame
01-10-2010, 05:01 PM
Last I heard, hands to the face of the QB is a penalty, too... just sayin'.

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 05:02 PM
I predict a rodgers INT.

Close!

Fumble!

What an ending!

Blueflame
01-10-2010, 05:02 PM
That only applies if it's brady.

Also Manning... defenders get flagged for farting next to him.

spdirty
01-10-2010, 05:03 PM
what a way to end it. Congrats to the firechickens.

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 05:03 PM
fun game to watch!!

atomicbloke
01-10-2010, 05:03 PM
Doesn't tuck rule apply here?

rmsanger
01-10-2010, 05:03 PM
awesome ending! Next week's game will be insane...

Blueflame
01-10-2010, 05:04 PM
I still think Arizona got away with illegal hands to the face on that play...

TDmvp
01-10-2010, 05:05 PM
What BS ... No hands to the face call ? no face mask call ???

Lame a$$ ending ... dude basically drug Rodgers all the way to the ground by his face mask and never even let go of it ... I hate the packers but that was bs...

broncofan7
01-10-2010, 05:06 PM
I am disgusted.

CHANGSTER
01-10-2010, 05:07 PM
Doesn't tuck rule apply here?

The ball never hit the ground. Rodgers pretty much kicked the ball to the defender.

TDmvp
01-10-2010, 05:09 PM
it was a facemask regardless .... tivo doesn't lie ... Adams has it from the moment he gets to him all the way to the ground ... weak ...

The MVPlaya
01-10-2010, 05:10 PM
I still think Arizona got away with illegal hands to the face on that play...

I think it could have gone either way - the ball was already out. I'm not sure if you can call that on that play... that would pretty much hand the game to Green Bay on what was essentially a better defensive play than foul. If it did get called I would "understand" but it was a good no call.

However the helmet to the helmet should have been called.

CHANGSTER
01-10-2010, 05:14 PM
Rodgers basically turned and ran directly into the rusher on that helmet to helmet play. I didn't think it was a terrible no call. Would of been hard for the defender to hold up and adjust.

Blueflame
01-10-2010, 05:15 PM
Rodgers basically turned and ran directly into the rusher on that helmet to helmet play. I didn't think it was a terrible no call. Would of been hard for the defender to hold up and adjust.

Nonetheless, if that were Brady or Manning or Favre, the penalty would have been called; no doubt about it.

Sassy
01-10-2010, 05:15 PM
Fitting ending to a crazy game! No D until the last TD.

loborugger
01-10-2010, 05:16 PM
My wife has dubbed the Cardinals vs the Saints as the 'Catholic Bowl.'

:thumbsup:

gunns
01-10-2010, 05:18 PM
Nonetheless, if that were Brady or Manning or Favre, the penalty would have been called; no doubt about it.

Agreed. I'd kind of hoped for a Minnesota-GB matchup, but that was a hell of a game. I'd like to see either Arizona or NO win the whole thing. Their fans would go bezerk.

Blueflame
01-10-2010, 05:21 PM
I think it could have gone either way - the ball was already out. I'm not sure if you can call that on that play... that would pretty much hand the game to Green Bay on what was essentially a better defensive play than foul. If it did get called I would "understand" but it was a good no call.

However the helmet to the helmet should have been called.

Both should have been called, I think. Without the hands to the face, I'm not sure the ball would have come out. Regardless, there is no excuse for the official to stand right there and watch the defender take a QB all the way to the ground by his facemask... and not throw the flag. Even if they ruled that the Cardinals had the ball at the point of the fumble recovery, that's still a 15-yard penalty, no matter how you slice it.

The MVPlaya
01-10-2010, 05:21 PM
Rodgers has fight in him, I don't recall him complaining much. After the helmet to helmet he was throwing his hands up but I think he knew he f'd up on the last play.

Wouldn't mind Cardinals taking this thing all the way...

CHANGSTER
01-10-2010, 05:25 PM
Nonetheless, if that were Brady or Manning or Favre, the penalty would have been called; no doubt about it.

This is true.

If they wanted to present the illusion of consistency they should of called it.

SouthStndJunkie
01-10-2010, 05:27 PM
Saturday 4:30 pm (Eastern Time): Arizona at New Orleans

Saturday 8:15 pm (Eastern Time): Baltimore at Indianapolis

Sunday 1:00 pm (Eastern Time): Dallas at Minnesota

Sunday 4:40 pm (Eastern Time): New York Jets at San Diego

The MVPlaya
01-10-2010, 05:28 PM
Both should have been called, I think. Without the hands to the face, I'm not sure the ball would have come out. Regardless, there is no excuse for the official to stand right there and watch the defender take a QB all the way to the ground by his facemask... and not throw the flag. Even if they ruled that the Cardinals had the ball at the point of the fumble recovery, that's still a 15-yard penalty, no matter how you slice it.

I watched the replay again before I wrote the last post and the ball was out regardless of grabbing of the facemask or not.

Again - in situations like these penalties loosen up and players get to play. It was a better defensive play than foul. Packers fans have a legit debate of those plays not being called. Penalties happen every game that are not called, and nitpicky penalties that are called.

If it was called Cardinals would probably still have possession as you were implying.

At the end of the day - it was a good no call. Better defensive play than foul. You can't start analyzing every little detail though about who would have the ball - etc. At game speed - the only thing that matters is letting players play .

The MVPlaya
01-10-2010, 05:33 PM
Oh - and I just took a peek at some Packers forums... if their fans are complaining about Rodgers f'ing up on that last play, you know it wasn't that big of a deal.

Blueflame
01-10-2010, 05:37 PM
Rodgers has fight in him, I don't recall him complaining much. After the helmet to helmet he was throwing his hands up but I think he knew he f'd up on the last play.

Wouldn't mind Cardinals taking this thing all the way...

Are you seriously arguing that because you didn't see Rodgers complaining, it was OK for the defender to take him to the ground by his facemask? That's not OK by the NFL rules; it's a 15-yard penalty.

epicSocialism4tw
01-10-2010, 05:38 PM
Outstanding game.

The Cardinals deserved to win and they did. The Packers showed some grit that will undoubtedly resurface next year. Aaron Rogers had a freakishly good game that (unfortunately for him, his team, and Packers fans) was upstaged by Kurt Warners.

The MVPlaya
01-10-2010, 05:46 PM
Are you seriously arguing that because you didn't see Rodgers complaining, it was OK for the defender to take him to the ground by his facemask? That's not OK by the NFL rules; it's a 15-yard penalty.

That had nothing to do with the argument lol that was actually just a statement complimenting Rodgers fight, his play, and attitude.

Blueflame
01-10-2010, 05:49 PM
I watched the replay again before I wrote the last post and the ball was out regardless of grabbing of the facemask or not.

Again - in situations like these penalties loosen up and players get to play. It was a better defensive play than foul. Packers fans have a legit debate of those plays not being called. Penalties happen every game that are not called, and nitpicky penalties that are called.

If it was called Cardinals would probably still have possession as you were implying.

At the end of the day - it was a good no call. Better defensive play than foul. You can't start analyzing every little detail though about who would have the ball - etc. At game speed - the only thing that matters is letting players play .

Because of inconsistency... the fact that the helmet-to helmet... and the facemask would have been called if the QB in question were Favre, Manning, or Brady... it was not a "good non-call"... either it's a penalty for any player on the field or it should be a penalty for none.

If the league is going to protect any QBs, then helmet-to-helmet contact and dragging them to the ground by the facemask absolutely must be flagged. Every time.

s0phr0syne
01-10-2010, 05:50 PM
My wife has dubbed the Cardinals vs the Saints as the 'Catholic Bowl.'

:thumbsup:



haha, props to your wife lobo! I like it

Blueflame
01-10-2010, 05:52 PM
That had nothing to do with the argument lol that was actually just a statement complimenting Rodgers fight, his play, and attitude.

Rodgers is a fierce competitor... one of the best young QBs in the league. However, he should not be treated differently than other QBs just because he's perhaps "2nd tier" talent and not one of the sports world's "golden boys" who draw a flag if the defender breathes on them.

The MVPlaya
01-10-2010, 05:54 PM
Are you seriously arguing that because you didn't see Rodgers complaining, it was OK for the defender to take him to the ground by his facemask? That's not OK by the NFL rules; it's a 15-yard penalty.

That is NOT ok, I think that's quite obvious that it's NOT OK. But you're sure making it seem as if it's the most rip off penalty.

By your logic - we can go back and start analyzing every single penalty that was not called. You realize that holding happens all the time, but if the defender isn't in pursuit "near" the QB/ballhandler, it won't be called. But by NFL rules; it is a 10 yard penalty.

Penalties happen all game long, it's up to you to accept that there will be non-calls (and refs know this). Telling me it was a penalty according to rulebook really doesn't mean anything when there are many other variables involved.

Look - I agree that it was a penalty by rulebook or however you want to "slice" it. My point is - that it was a GOOD no call.

The MVPlaya
01-10-2010, 05:58 PM
Rodgers is a fierce competitor... one of the best young QBs in the league. However, he should not be treated differently than other QBs just because he's perhaps "2nd tier" talent and not one of the sports world's "golden boys" who draw a flag if the defender breathes on them.

No one should. Orton rarely got any penalties this season either for some questionable hits.

Honestly - I think the LAST play regardless of who was QB it would have not been called. The face mask wasn't THAT serious on effecting the play and the refs were probably more focused on the ball.

But that helmet to helmet play would have DEFINITELY been called.:spit:

chadta
01-10-2010, 06:12 PM
Because of inconsistency... the fact that the helmet-to helmet... and the facemask would have been called if the QB in question were Favre, Manning, or Brady... it was not a "good non-call"... either it's a penalty for any player on the field or it should be a penalty for none.

If the league is going to protect any QBs, then helmet-to-helmet contact and dragging them to the ground by the facemask absolutely must be flagged. Every time.


you are 1000% correct

its unfortunate that football has become as bad as hockey is at random enforcement of rules

chadta
01-10-2010, 06:17 PM
the 5 yard facemask penalty was removed because the league feels ALL facemasks are serious

but now it wasnt a factor and shouldnt have been called ?

Blueflame
01-10-2010, 06:21 PM
That is NOT ok, I think that's quite obvious that it's NOT OK. But you're sure making it seem as if it's the most rip off penalty.

By your logic - we can go back and start analyzing every single penalty that was not called. You realize that holding happens all the time, but if the defender isn't in pursuit "near" the QB/ballhandler, it won't be called. But by NFL rules; it is a 10 yard penalty.

Penalties happen all game long, it's up to you to accept that there will be non-calls (and refs know this). Telling me it was a penalty according to rulebook really doesn't mean anything when there are many other variables involved.

Look - I agree that it was a penalty by rulebook or however you want to "slice" it. My point is - that it was a GOOD no call.

And I disagree. I think it should have been Arizona's ball at the point of the fumble recovery, then set back 15 yards for a major facemask. They probably would still have scored but a penalty's a penalty and that one was obvious.

Blueflame
01-10-2010, 06:24 PM
No one should. Orton rarely got any penalties this season either for some questionable hits.

Honestly - I think the LAST play regardless of who was QB it would have not been called. The face mask wasn't THAT serious on effecting the play and the refs were probably more focused on the ball.

But that helmet to helmet play would have DEFINITELY been called.:spit:

And my point is that unless they intend to start allowing helmet-to-helmet contact on the Favres, Bradys and Mannings of the league, then consistency demands that they flag that contact on the Ortons and Rodgers'es... otherwise they have a double standard that is detrimental to the integrity of the sport.

You really think an official would have stood right there and watched a defender take Peyton Manning to the ground by his facemask without throwing a flag? ??? I certainly do not think that would ever happen and if it did, the announcers would be raising holy hell about it.

azbroncfan
01-10-2010, 07:25 PM
Great game. One of the best I have seen in awhile. Warner might be the best playoff QB around and definately is one of the most accurate I have seen when unpressured.

Dagmar
01-10-2010, 09:42 PM
One final tweet on end-of-game controversy -- there was no penalty because, by rule, roughing the passer cannot be called on a fumble.

Schefter's twitter.

TexanBob
01-10-2010, 11:23 PM
I'm unsure of the rule but one other thing happened on the final play that made me wonder why it wasn't reviewed. After the ball was fumbled, Rodgers appeared to kick the ball which only helped it stay up and land in Dansby's gut. But intentionally kicking the ball, except in punting and placekick situations, is a penalty and results in the whistle blowing and the play being stopped. For example, if a player kicks a fumbled ball so it goes out of bounds, that's a penalty.

I don't believe play is allowed to continue from that point (i.e. a live ball) but if it is not, I think it should be a dead ball at the point of the kick with possible penalty yardage tacked on.

Garcia Bronco
01-11-2010, 05:43 AM
The playoff games are terrible this year. At least this one had a comeback, but only because of ****ty defense and terrible rule calling by the ref. The NFL becomes a bigger joke every year and appears fixed.

TonyR
01-11-2010, 06:34 AM
I'm with Blue on this one. Clear and obvious facemask. Here's the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZCbmc0IIM4


After further review, Packers got screwed
Posted by Mike Florio on January 11, 2010 7:50 AM ET

We've received more than a few e-mails in the aftermath of Sunday night's for-the-ages battle between the Packers and the Cardinals regarding the non-call on the play that delivered victory for the home team via a sack, fumble/interception, and 17-yard sprint for a score.

At first, the words "tuck rule" dominated the discussion.

Then, the focal point became the blow to the head and the yanking of the facemask that Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers endured as Arizona defensive back Michael Adams collided into Rodgers.

Here's the video.

As one league source said via e-mail, "It should have been a personal foul grabbing the face mask and 15-yard penalty and a first down for Green Bay."

And we agree, completely. The incidental facemask call disappeared a couple of years ago, replaced by a rule that even a minor grab of the bars attached to the helmet triggers the major infraction.

Moreover, we've routinely seen quarterbacks take minor blows to the head and draw flags for roughing the passer.

So what happened? Though the tuck rule didn't matter because the ball bounced off Rodgers' foot before it was caught by Cardinals linebacker Karlos Dansby, the official undoubtedly was watching Rodgers' arm and the ball for any evidence of the convoluted mechanical process that makes a fumble not a fumble when the quarterback was in the process of moving his arm forward but hadn't released the ball before having the ball knocked out.

The bigger problem is that the FOX announcers and the folks talking into their ears didn't bother to delve into the question of whether not one but two penalties had occurred. Joe Buck said "Rodgers gets a hand to the face" during the live call, but Buck and his producer(s) blew an excellent opportunity to explain first that the tuck rule didn't matter in this case and second that what did matter was the failure of the men in black and white to see that Adams had not only hit Rodgers in the head but also had grabbed and tugged his facemask.

So, yes, Packers fans, you have every right to be upset.

Then again, watch the video. Adams didn't get a free release from Rodgers' blind side. He had to cut in front of an underneath receiver before circling into the backfield, and Rodgers could have (and should have) seen Adams coming.

By our count, Rodgers had the ball in his hands for three full seconds before getting hit.

When Rodgers was getting thrown around like a rag doll in the first half of the season, he quietly was being criticized within the locker room for holding the ball too long. And that's the biggest thing that the Packers need to address this offseason in order to make Rodgers into a guy who can deliver consistently in the clutch.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/11/after-further-review-packers-got-screwed/

Hogan11
01-11-2010, 09:50 AM
The Saints are going to kill them

The Joker
01-11-2010, 10:06 AM
Honestly didn't enjoy the game much, I hate big offensive shootouts where neither team plays any defense.

Pontius Pirate
01-11-2010, 11:28 AM
Not really sure about the letter of the law on facemask penalties but, regardless, Dansby made a great play. Ball was loose before he got his finger on the mask - and he was being pulled down by the other arm as well. The facemask had no bearing on the play, IMHO. Good win by the Cards

azbroncfan
01-11-2010, 12:15 PM
The Saints are going to kill them

That is what everyone said every playoff game last year. AZ can beat anyone on any given day and the Saints may have peaked early.

TonyR
01-11-2010, 12:40 PM
Translation: the league knows the call was blown but they're doing their best to sugarcoat it.


NFL issues "rule explanation" on game-winning play
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 11, 2010 1:44 PM ET

The NFL addressed the non-facemask call heard around the league on Monday.

Mark Maske of the Washington Post reports that the league issued a "rule explanation" explaining that a facemask penalty is a judgment call and is not reviewable by instant replay. No breaking news there; Florio mentioned that earlier Monday.

Whether such a penalty should be reviewable is up for debate.

Tougher to argue is whether referee Scott Green can be entirely blamed for missing the call. He's got a lot to watch at the moment of impact, starting with a loose ball.

We're looking forward to Vice President of Officiating Mike Pereira explain the judgment call further in his weekly segment with the NFL Network on Wednesday.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/11/nfl-issues-rule-explanation-on-game-winning-play/

Crushaholic
01-11-2010, 12:41 PM
My wife has dubbed the Cardinals vs the Saints as the 'Catholic Bowl.'

:thumbsup:

Wine and wafers for everyone! WOOHOO!