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Kaylore
01-10-2010, 10:43 AM
http://stars.ign.com/articles/976/976353p1.html

10. Donky Kong
9. Altair (Assassin's Creed)
8. Big Daddy (Bio Shock)
7. Pac Man
6. Kratos (God's of War)
5. Chris Redfield
4. Marcus Fenix (Gears of War)
3. Sonic the Hedgehog
2. Lara Croft
1. Master Chief

Before most of you freak out and say "OMG WTF God's of war wuz TEH R0X0R!!!!!1!!!" this isn't how IGN and their viewers ranked the games, this how they ranked the characters.

The only one I don't agree with is Chris Redfield. He's not really featured as the face of the franchize as they suggest. Leon was plastered all over RE 4 and that was their most successful game to date. I get that as far as a character with depth he has little, but I don't think he's overrated because he's not highly rated.

Strongly agree with Fenix. I love GOW, but his character is cliched and cartoonish. In fact a lot of their characters are.

And Master Chief is the most overrated of all. He has no backstory, no relationships to speak of, no personality outside of the occasional wry comment in the heat of battle and we don't even know what he looks like. He's as bland a generic as they come.

I would like write in Cloud from FFVII. He's boring and whinny and doesn't have anything redeeming aside from his carrying a large weapon, which deep down you know is probably compensating for a tiny penis.

What do you think of the list? And I'm wondering if there is an underrated list out there too.

Lev Vyvanse
01-10-2010, 10:48 AM
OMG WTF Halo wuz TEH R0X0R!!!!!1!!!

ludo21
01-10-2010, 10:48 AM
I dont need a back story to love my favorite video game characters. Master Chief was sick

TheReverend
01-10-2010, 10:55 AM
Sonic? Sonic hasn't been rated since 93... how could he be overrated?

And as for Cloud... they always make the main character a p***Y... starting with Cecil and a continued tradition with Locke, Cloud and Tidus

RhymesayersDU
01-10-2010, 10:57 AM
Love a good video game thread. I disagree with Sonic, Donkey Kong, and Pac Man.

In their day, who else was there? Anyways, I've never played Bioshock, GOW, and very limited Halo.

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 10:59 AM
THey forgot to add the jay cutler character on NFL 10

ludo21
01-10-2010, 11:03 AM
Is Assassins Creed 2 better than the first?

jebures
01-10-2010, 11:05 AM
Neeeeerds!!

Killericon
01-10-2010, 11:08 AM
Yes! Awesome.

The first comment on the article:

Master Chief is not overrated. he is the most awesome character in the hole game world

Rabb
01-10-2010, 11:10 AM
Yes! Awesome.

The first comment on the article:

that is awesome, and sad all that the same time

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 11:15 AM
I think Master Chief as a character is very intriguing. However, the Halo franchise is so ****ing overrated I'm sure that's what brought him down.

Rabb
01-10-2010, 11:17 AM
I think Master Chief as a character is very intriguing. However, the Halo franchise is so ****ing overrated I'm sure that's what brought him down.

much like CoD, they are just overdoing it at this point and will continue to ruin it

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 11:19 AM
much like CoD, they are just overdoing it at this point and will continue to ruin it

CoD actually has good gameplay though. Halo's gameplay is pathetic.

Rabb
01-10-2010, 11:32 AM
CoD actually has good gameplay though. Halo's gameplay is pathetic.

I personally agree with you but CoD has always been my type of game over Halo

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 11:34 AM
I personally agree with you but CoD has always been my type of game over Halo

I've always thought Halo was a bastard child of COD/Rainbow Six and Unreal/Quake. Not fast enough to be a quake wannabe without much purpose but twitchy killing, and not mental enough to actually challenge someone like a realistic type shooter.

Rabb
01-10-2010, 11:38 AM
I've always thought Halo was a bastard child of COD/Rainbow Six and Unreal/Quake. Not fast enough to be a quake wannabe without much purpose but twitchy killing, and not mental enough to actually challenge someone like a realistic type shooter.

what I love is when I am playing MW2, finding the Halo players because they are jumping all over the place

Baba Booey
01-10-2010, 11:50 AM
THey forgot to add the jay cutler character on NFL 10

Haha was just coming here to post this. Repped.

bpc
01-10-2010, 11:54 AM
Cloud's friend was murdered in cold blood saving him, he couldn't remember his past, and he was always the loser on the block. What the hell does he have to be happy about?

NEG REP FOR YOU! CLOUD IS THE SHIZ! (BTW, I haven't played video games really since 2004, but FF7 is one of the greatest games ever. AWESOME story.)

Archer81
01-10-2010, 11:59 AM
Is Assassins Creed 2 better than the first?


Yes.


:Broncos:

Rigs11
01-10-2010, 12:10 PM
Totally agree with master chef on the list. I think halo is the most overrated been done franchise ever as well.

Kaylore
01-10-2010, 02:48 PM
Sonic? Sonic hasn't been rated since 93... how could he be overrated?

And as for Cloud... they always make the main character a p***Y... starting with Cecil and a continued tradition with Locke, Cloud and Tidus

You know this is pretty true. They like to feminize their main characters in manginas.

Kaylore
01-10-2010, 02:50 PM
Cloud's friend was murdered in cold blood saving him, he couldn't remember his past, and he was always the loser on the block. What the hell does he have to be happy about?

NEG REP FOR YOU! CLOUD IS THE SHIZ! (BTW, I haven't played video games really since 2004, but FF7 is one of the greatest games ever. AWESOME story.)

Stupidest story ever. We're fighting Shinra...but then there's this weird Caith Sith thing, who's really a fat guy at a computer...and we're surrounded by Japanese Cliche's and there's a meteor....and a mean guy with a big sword....and also Cloud's head hurts a lot and he can't remember....and also the ending sucks....or something.

Square was high when they wrote it.

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 02:53 PM
Stupidest story ever. We're fighting Shinra...but then there's this weird Caith Sith thing, who's really a fat guy at a computer...and we're surrounded by Japanese Cliche's and there's a meteor....and a mean guy with a big sword....and also Cloud's head hurts a lot and he can't remember....and also the ending sucks....or something.

Square was high when they wrote it.

It only got tons of publicity because people didn't read too much into it. Lol. Not to mention, it also got tons of rep because it had a breakthrough in graphics.

WolfpackGuy
01-10-2010, 02:55 PM
Bob Nelson of the Packers on Tecmo Super Bowl was overrated.

Best NT in the history of football video games!

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 02:57 PM
Bob Nelson of the Packers on Tecmo Super Bowl was overrated.

Best NT in the history of football video games!

Its overrated in terms of how people see them, not their stats in the game. Reggie Bush last year takes the cake for that one.

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 02:59 PM
Bob Nelson of the Packers on Tecmo Super Bowl was overrated.

Best NT in the history of football video games!

I will agree with that.

Kaylore
01-10-2010, 02:59 PM
It only got tons of publicity because people didn't read too much into it. Lol. Not to mention, it also got tons of rep because it had a breakthrough in graphics.

I know. And I get that it was the majority of the gaming public's first FF and in many cases first RPG. It also made RPG's mainstream for a brief time. So I get why it's many people's favorite. However when you take a step back or were playing them as they came along you see it for what it was: A bunch of graphics they wanted to have with a story forced together after the fact woven around largely unlikable stereotypes.

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 03:08 PM
I know. And I get that it was the majority of the gaming public's first FF and in many cases first RPG. It also made RPG's mainstream for a brief time. So I get why it's many people's favorite. However when you take a step back or were playing them as they came along you see it for what it was: A bunch of graphics they wanted to have with a story forced together after the fact woven around largely unlikable stereotypes.

The gameplay was very solid though. The combat system, and the side quests and completionist things to do in the game were solid fun, e.g. Materia and Chocobo breeding and weapons to find/unlock etc. but thats not what an RPG is, it's supposed to be a story based game.

bpc
01-10-2010, 03:13 PM
Stupidest story ever. We're fighting Shinra...but then there's this weird Caith Sith thing, who's really a fat guy at a computer...and we're surrounded by Japanese Cliche's and there's a meteor....and a mean guy with a big sword....and also Cloud's head hurts a lot and he can't remember....and also the ending sucks....or something.

Square was high when they wrote it.

Come on, have an imagination. We're talking about the company that brought you light warriors/crystals, espers, dragoons, airships, and ****. Playing and enjoying it as a kid was no worse than reading X-Men and being a fan.

If you didn't enjoy it, maybe you couldn't put the peices together and figure out the story?

I give your opinion the omnislash, bitch!

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GoBroncos84
01-10-2010, 03:15 PM
The only one I disagree with is Kratos. I love the game, but a big part of that is loving the character. The only gaming franchise I love more than GoW is Metal Gear Solid. Both are driven by awesome lead characters who not only kick ass, but have depth and intriguing personalities.

bpc
01-10-2010, 03:21 PM
Final Fantasy VII
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Final Fantasy VII​ (ファイナルファンタジーVII?) is a console role-playing game developed by Square (now Square Enix) and published by Sony Computer Entertainment as the seventh installment in the Final Fantasy series. It was originally released in 1997 for the Sony PlayStation. It was re-released in 1998 for Microsoft Windows-based personal computers and in 2009 on the PlayStation Network. The game is the first in the series to use 3D computer graphics, featuring fully rendered characters on pre-rendered backgrounds. (ground-breaking and largely one of the games that put Playstation on the map.)

Set in a dystopian world, Final Fantasy VII's story centers on mercenary Cloud Strife who joins with several others to stop the megacorporation Shinra, which is draining the life of the planet to use as an energy source. As the story progresses, the situation escalates and Cloud and his allies face Sephiroth, the game's main antagonist.

Development of Final Fantasy VII began in 1994 and the game was originally intended for release on the SNES, but it was later moved to the Nintendo 64. As the system's cartridges lacked the required storage capacity, Square decided to release the game for the PlayStation instead. The music was scored by Final Fantasy veteran Nobuo Uematsu, while the series' long-time character designer, Yo****aka Amano, was replaced by Tetsuya Nomura. (full symphony, also ground-breaking)

Noted for its graphics, gameplay, music and story, Final Fantasy VII is acknowledged as one of the greatest and most influential games of all time. (except to Kaylore, he knows better!) As of October 2009, the game has sold more than 10 million copies worldwide (including 100,000 downloads on PlayStation Network), making it the best-selling Final Fantasy title. The ongoing popularity of the title led Square Enix to produce a series of prequels and sequels under the collective title Compilation of Final Fantasy VII. An enhanced remake for the PlayStation 3 has been rumored since 2005; however, Square Enix has stated that a remake is not in development.[citation needed]

Kaylore
01-10-2010, 03:26 PM
Come on, have an imagination. We're talking about the company that brought you light warriors/crystals, espers, dragoons, airships, and ****. Playing and enjoying it as a kid was no worse than reading X-Men and being a fan.
No it was worse. And for what it's worth I've played and beaten every FF in the franchise except for the second and third on Nintendo that weren't released here in the US. FFVII ranks pretty low on my list of best to worst. My supposed "lack of imagination" is not why the game sucks nor is your insistence that I "can't figure it out." The plot was lame, full of holes and didn't connect really at all. While you were busy thinking Sephiroth looked awesome with his big mean sword, perhaps you should have taken a step back to realize how ridiculous he and the whole plot is. His actions and motivations aren't really justified. The characters suck: Tifa is a pair of boobies. Barrett is a borderline racist Mr T clone. Cloud never says anything and has no substance. Yufi is more J-pop BS. Caith Sith is a freaking fat man at a computer. I kind of liked Red XIII, Vincent and Cid and that's about it. The rest were intolerable. The characters were boring cliches and the most likable character in Aeris(th) dies in the first ten minutes of the game.

Final Fantasy IV/2 = Awesome
FF VI/3 = Awesome
I even liked VIII and IX more than VII.

And forgive me if I'm not daunted by your copy/paste from the almighty Wikipedia. You talk to most people who are fans of the FF franchise from the early years and they'll tell you the same thing: the game is overrated. Horribly. Even it's biggest fans, some in this forum, will acknowledge it's pretty weak on story.

bpc
01-10-2010, 03:34 PM
No it was worse. And for what it's worth I've played and beaten every FF in the franchise except for the second and third on Nintendo that weren't released here in the US. FFVII ranks pretty low on my list of best to worst. My supposed "lack of imagination" is not why the game sucks nor is your insistence that I "can't figure it out." The plot was lame, full of holes and didn't connect really at all. While you were busy thinking Sephiroth looked awesome with his big mean sword, perhaps you should have taken a step back to realize how ridiculous he and the whole plot is. His actions and motivations aren't really justified. The characters suck: Tifa is a pair of boobies. Barrett is a borderline racist Mr T clone. Cloud never says anything and has no substance. Yufi is more J-pop BS. Caith Sith is a freaking fat man at a computer. I kind of liked Red XIII, Vincent and Cid and that's about it. The rest were intolerable. The characters were boring cliches and the most likable character in Aeris(th) dies in the first ten minutes of the game.

Final Fantasy IV/2 = Awesome
FF VI/3 = Awesome
I even liked VIII and IX more than VII.

Well hey, maybe you're just smarter than the 10 million + who think FF7 was the greatest role playing game ever created, and also made it one of the top 25 best selling video games of all time. ALMOST unheard of with the Role Playing genre of video games.

bpc
01-10-2010, 03:36 PM
BTW, I've played all of the Final Fantasy games up until #10, and FF7 was easily the best and most enduring story line.

Sorry buddy, call it what you want but the statistics don't lie. You recruit whomever you want to attest to it, numbers aren't in your favor.

Kaylore
01-10-2010, 03:37 PM
Well hey, maybe you're just smarter than the 10 million + who think FF7 was the greatest role playing game ever created, and also made it one of the top 25 best selling video games of all time. ALMOST unheard of with the Role Playing genre of video games.

I guarantee you right now that most people do not think FF7 is the greatest role playing game ever created. Hyperbole much, BPC? You should invent some more statistics. Maybe it's the greatest game ever in the whole wide world! YEAH!!!!!

I love these threads because the fan boys defend their hollowed games like religious fanatics.

Kaylore
01-10-2010, 03:40 PM
BTW, I've played all of the Final Fantasy games up until #10, and FF7 was easily the best and most enduring story line.

Sorry buddy, call it what you want but the statistics don't lie. You recruit whomever you want to attest to it, numbers aren't in your favor.

What? That it sold more? That's the stupidest argument ever. By your logic N'Sync were better musicians because they sold more albums than Frank Sinatra.:dummy:

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 03:42 PM
BTW, I've played all of the Final Fantasy games up until #10, and FF7 was easily the best and most enduring story line IN MY OPINION

there

Archer81
01-10-2010, 03:44 PM
Not sure why Kratos is on this list. He murdered his family while under the influence of the God of War, and was punished by Athena to wear the cremated remains of his family until the day he died.

:Broncos:

bpc
01-10-2010, 03:45 PM
I guarantee you right now that most people do not think FF7 is the greatest role playing game ever created. Hyperbole much, BPC? You should invent some more statistics. Maybe it's the greatest game ever in the whole wide world! YEAH!!!!!

I love these threads because the fan boys defend their hollowed games like religious fanatics.

The stats are out there. Why don't you go look it up? I would venture to say the only role playing game, if it can be considered that, which has sold more would be WoW.

FF7 will always be ingrained in my brain as the greatest because there comes a point and time when you grow up, and become an adult, and stop playing video games. That time came when I graduated college. Sorry, I don't offer much to this conversation but my nostalgia. Good thing the stats verify what i'm saying. :yayaya:

CHANGSTER
01-10-2010, 03:46 PM
Master Chief may not be very interesting but he's a badass. I agree the Halo game play has regressed a lot from Halo 1. Trying to do to much when it wasn't necessary. Halo 1 got me back into video games at the time.

Archer81
01-10-2010, 03:46 PM
I personally liked FFIX...or whichever one came with four disks and had the crazy little wizard guy.

:Broncos:

TheReverend
01-10-2010, 03:48 PM
FFIII was the best (Of the FF series... DW owned them from start to finish, and Suikoden brought it to a new level, imo)

Atma weapon + The Offering relic + leveling with +1 speed Esper = Pure win

SureShot
01-10-2010, 03:52 PM
Bob Nelson of the Packers on Tecmo Super Bowl was overrated.

Best NT in the history of football video games!

Jerry Ball was a monster. 100 sacks/year if you knew what you were doing.

bpc
01-10-2010, 03:52 PM
Hey, you can attest to your games failing to match FF7 because it's designer didn't put the muscle behind to push the game out into the mainstream like Square did.

LMAO.

BTW, is there a channel where you can watch video games, like MTV? That was the conduit which pushed N'Sync to the top. Was this the same case for FF7 and why it was such a smashing success and has endured all these years? I'd be interested to hear your argument. How is it that this title has lapped so many others and still manages to be front and center for so many different platforms?

One could argue that Square leaving Nintendo for Sony changed the gaming industry forever and helped put Play Station front and center as the #1 console on the planet. FF7 was a big part of that. True Final Fantasy and Nintendo fans deem that to be true.

SureShot
01-10-2010, 03:54 PM
You guys take this stuff pretty serious.

TheReverend
01-10-2010, 03:55 PM
You guys take this stuff pretty serious.

Someone stole my login. I didn't post any of this.

broncolife
01-10-2010, 03:58 PM
Final Fantasy 8 was my favorite. The only one I didnt really like enough to complete was 9. X-2 wasnt great but at least I completed it because of my perveted tendacies. :)

kdissette
01-10-2010, 03:59 PM
i was a shining force fan...game was epic

bpc
01-10-2010, 04:02 PM
FFIII was the best (Of the FF series... DW owned them from start to finish, and Suikoden brought it to a new level, imo)

Atma weapon + The Offering relic + leveling with +1 speed Esper = Pure win

Final Fantasy 1 was the hardest and the reason I became an addict at 10 years of age back in 1990. I couldn't figure out how to beat the Marsh cave and hated the fact that to save up 4000 gil per broadsword to beat those damn wizards.

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I miss these old games. They were great.

Final Fantasy II was probably the most anticipated by me. Loved the whole story.

FF III pushed the depths of the story even further and then FF7 smashed them all IMO.

broncolife
01-10-2010, 04:02 PM
I just loved the scene in kingdom hearts were they had Squall and Cloud teamup and take on a ton of bad guys. It was funny seeing them give little verbal jabs at each other.

broncolife
01-10-2010, 04:03 PM
Dragon warrior was the first rpg to get me hooked on rpgs.

bpc
01-10-2010, 04:04 PM
I personally liked FFIX...or whichever one came with four disks and had the crazy little wizard guy.

:Broncos:

I actually REALLY liked FF9. I didn't like FF8 at all, FF10 either.

I got all the way to the fourth disc on FF9 and my playstation finally gave out. I had tried to keep it alive so long, I think I had it flipped upside down to keep it running. Finally would work anymore and I could never go back and start that epic game over again. I never bought another playstation after that.

Taco John
01-10-2010, 04:05 PM
Samus Aran FTW!

SureShot
01-10-2010, 04:06 PM
Dragon warrior was the first rpg to get me hooked on rpgs.

I have heard Dragon Warrior is a gateway rpg.

Taco John
01-10-2010, 04:06 PM
I will nerd slap anyone who tries to say otherwise.

Archer81
01-10-2010, 04:06 PM
I actually REALLY liked FF9. I didn't like FF8 at all, FF10 either.

I got all the way to the fourth disc on FF9 and my playstation finally gave out. I had tried to keep it alive so long, I think I had it flipped upside down to keep it running. Finally would work anymore and I could never go back and start that epic game over again. I never bought another playstation after that.


Dude, I spent an entire summer playing that game. The final boss battle was exhausting and he kicked my ass, but the one dark haired chick (been so long I cant remember the names) had a resurrection stone and gave you one HP. Longest battle ever.

:Broncos:

bpc
01-10-2010, 04:06 PM
Dragon warrior was the first rpg to get me hooked on rpgs.

I could never get into Dragon Warrior or Phantasy Star.

I just felt like I was going from Caviar to pizza rolls.

bpc
01-10-2010, 04:09 PM
Dude, I spent an entire summer playing that game. The final boss battle was exhausting and he kicked my ass, but the one dark haired chick (been so long I cant remember the names) had a resurrection stone and gave you one HP. Longest battle ever.

:Broncos:

Dude, I can fondly remember those types of battles. I had a bunch of those on FF7 until I found out how to get Knights of the Round. Some boss battles went like 30+ minutes and I felt like I had just ran 3 or 4 miles but how hard my heart rate was beating.

Damn. I miss it sometimes. That stuff was fun.

Archer81
01-10-2010, 04:09 PM
A non-rpg series I love is Castlevania. There is supposed to be a "next-gen" version coming out for the PS3 and Xbox 360.

:Broncos:

Archer81
01-10-2010, 04:11 PM
Dude, I can fondly remember those types of battles. I had a bunch of those on FF7 until I found out how to get Knights of the Round. Some boss battles went like 30+ minutes and I felt like I had just ran 3 or 4 miles but how hard my heart rate was beating.

Damn. I miss it sometimes. That stuff was fun.


Yeah it was. Those battles were tough because you would never beat the boss the first time out, and would take several attempts to get the right mix to get a narrow win, and even then 9 times out of 10 you got your ass handed to you anyway.

:Broncos:

bpc
01-10-2010, 04:15 PM
Samus Aran FTW!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx-oNUud0Qk&feature=related

Takes me back! That super metroid was SICK!!!

I still use the screw attack technique on my wife sometimes.

broncolife
01-10-2010, 04:16 PM
I could never get into Dragon Warrior or Phantasy Star.

I just felt like I was going from Caviar to pizza rolls.

Well, I was playing Dragon Warrior before final fantasy came out. So I never had any of those feelings.

Archer81
01-10-2010, 04:19 PM
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:Broncos:

bpc
01-10-2010, 04:24 PM
i was a shining force fan...game was epic

I only played one RPG on Genesis... gave this game a run and I absolutely LOVED it. I remember one night during the summer staying up all night playing it. VERY addicting.

I think Square took the formula and created Front Mission 3 and if possible, made a better game of it... if you like mechs and all that sort of stuff.

ROFUP1!!!!!!!

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 04:27 PM
I also ABSOLUTELY LOVED FFIX, the Chocograph (It's near a reef) pissed me off so much for like a week, I found it by systematically moving up and down the map for hours.

Osma was ungodly, only thing I regret, is never sticking around long enough to beat him. I got him to 3hp once before I was finished! (I used to have his hp on a calculator and calculate every round lol. I was so pissed)

I actually still own it. I can never get engrossed enough in RPG's to play them again though, since knowing the story already ruins them for me.

bpc
01-10-2010, 04:28 PM
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:Broncos:

Wow. That actually looks pretty awesome. What system is that on?

Archer81
01-10-2010, 04:31 PM
Wow. That actually looks pretty awesome. What system is that on?


PS3 and Xbox 360.

:Broncos:

yavoon
01-10-2010, 04:37 PM
http://stars.ign.com/articles/976/976353p1.html

And Master Chief is the most overrated of all. He has no backstory, no relationships to speak of, no personality outside of the occasional wry comment in the heat of battle and we don't even know what he looks like. He's as bland a generic as they come.
too.

which is exactly why I like him. fu and your pretentious backstory, lets kill em some alien scum.

epicSocialism4tw
01-10-2010, 05:50 PM
This thread should be re-titled:

"If I have an opinion on which video game characters are overrated, the odds are very slim that I will ever meet a woman I am not related to, attending church with, or working with."

;D

ZONA
01-10-2010, 05:53 PM
How in the hell is this overrated??? I wish more game characters looked like this. :strong:




http://cdawgownd.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/laura-croft.jpg

Hercules Rockefeller
01-10-2010, 06:02 PM
Final Fantasy 8 was my favorite. The only one I didnt really like enough to complete was 9. X-2 wasnt great but at least I completed it because of my perveted tendacies. :)

Hated 8, never liked 10 enough to play X2.

Tactics is still my favorite.

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 06:07 PM
http://www.ripten.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/bayonetta-spalin-are-the-same1.jpg

Bayonetta

HAT
01-10-2010, 06:18 PM
Can I get a vote for the most UNDERRATED of all time?

http://www.denofgeek.com/siteimage/scale/800/600/18616.png

Killericon
01-10-2010, 06:42 PM
I LOVED FFVII, and I personally like Cloud, but I can understand the criticisms. I went into it with a level of disbelief as a kid, and it remains to this day. I don't care how bad it is, FFVII is my guilty pleasure.

Anyways, someone earlier said that Master Chief was an intriguing character...Man. How far have we fallen? He's a cardboard cutout.

NFLBRONCO
01-10-2010, 08:49 PM
How in the hell is this overrated??? I wish more game characters looked like this. :strong:




http://cdawgownd.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/laura-croft.jpg

I'd hit it :)

NFLBRONCO
01-10-2010, 08:55 PM
What less known sleeper games did you like that you think you wouldn't?

Shadow of Destiny

Old games I wish were on ps3 or xbox 360 or PC with updated graphics

Resident evil 1234
Silent Hill 1 2 3 4
Wolfenstein 3d Dos games
Tex Murphy Pandora Directive Under killing moon
Countdown


Is is me or is COD MW2 short

gyldenlove
01-10-2010, 09:03 PM
What less known sleeper games did you like that you think you wouldn't?

Shadow of Destiny

Old games I wish were on ps3 or xbox 360 or PC with updated graphics

Resident evil 1234
Silent Hill 1 2 3 4
Wolfenstein 3d Dos games
Tex Murphy Pandora Directive Under killing moon
Countdown


Is is me or is COD MW2 short

MW2 feels short, I guess because it plays quite well.

That is the one thing I always liked about the hitman games, they played quite long because it took so damn long to complete every mission.

gyldenlove
01-10-2010, 09:05 PM
The boss battles at the end of half-life were some of the most disappointing of all time. Ruined my whole impression of that game.

NFLBRONCO
01-10-2010, 09:06 PM
MW2 feels short, I guess because it plays quite well.

That is the one thing I always liked about the hitman games, they played quite long because it took so damn long to complete every mission.

I liked the hitman series alot except blood money one.

NFLBRONCO
01-10-2010, 09:08 PM
Is resident evil 5 good I only got to static monster was disappointed is the story better later.

Archer81
01-10-2010, 09:09 PM
Is resident evil 5 good I only got to static monster was disappointed is the story better later.


Static monster?

RE5 is a solid game and very pretty visually. The story has typical Resident Evil twists, and you get to rescue somebody you thought had died in previous games.

:Broncos:

Broncosfreak_56
01-10-2010, 09:12 PM
http://www.ripten.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/bayonetta-spalin-are-the-same1.jpg

Bayonetta

The Bayonetta character looks exactly like a goth Quistis trepe from FFVIII

http://www.ideasmx.com.mx/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/quististrepe.jpg

NFLBRONCO
01-10-2010, 09:18 PM
Static monster?

RE5 is a solid game and very pretty visually. The story has typical Resident Evil twists, and you get to rescue somebody you thought had died in previous games.

:Broncos:

What is that thing you fight right after first part of the game.

Archer81
01-10-2010, 09:25 PM
What is that thing you fight right after first part of the game.


The first boss I can remember is made up of Las Plagas and is gigantic, and you kill it by trapping it in an incinerator room.


:Broncos:

broncolife
01-10-2010, 10:04 PM
What less known sleeper games did you like that you think you wouldn't?

Shadow of Destiny

Old games I wish were on ps3 or xbox 360 or PC with updated graphics

Resident evil 1234
Silent Hill 1 2 3 4
Wolfenstein 3d Dos games
Tex Murphy Pandora Directive Under killing moon
Countdown


Is is me or is COD MW2 short

Ah I was trying to remember the name of Shadow of Destiny before Christmas, so I could ask for it. I remember liking it when I was younger. I kept coming up with clock tower for some reason. Thanks!!! Now I can go buy it and play it again.

Remake with better graphics or a new version

Chrono Cross and Trigger
All Final Fantasy up to 8.
Suikoden1,2,3
Uncharted Waters
Rogue Galaxy
Lunar 1,2
Buck Rogers
Destiny of the Emperor(Basically rpg version of Romance of the 3 kingdoms)
Maniac Mansion
Mad Max
Shinning Force
Xenogears
Dracula unleashed
Sherlock Holmes
Skies of Arcadia
Grandia 2
Shadow Hearts
Inindo way of the ninja

any many many more.

bpc
01-10-2010, 10:08 PM
Secret of Mana and Chrono-Trigger were great games too.

NFLBRONCO
01-10-2010, 11:12 PM
The first boss I can remember is made up of Las Plagas and is gigantic, and you kill it by trapping it in an incinerator room.


:Broncos:

I fried her in there thats the farthest i've gotten in this game

TheReverend
01-10-2010, 11:18 PM
I could never get into Dragon Warrior or Phantasy Star.

I just felt like I was going from Caviar to pizza rolls.

That's absurd. The DW series is 8 times the series of FF

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 11:19 PM
Ah I was trying to remember the name of Shadow of Destiny before Christmas, so I could ask for it. I remember liking it when I was younger. I kept coming up with clock tower for some reason. Thanks!!! Now I can go buy it and play it again.

Remake with better graphics or a new version

Chrono Cross and Trigger
All Final Fantasy up to 8.
Suikoden1,2,3
Uncharted Waters
Rogue Galaxy
Lunar 1,2
Buck Rogers
Destiny of the Emperor(Basically rpg version of Romance of the 3 kingdoms)
Maniac Mansion
Mad Max
Shinning Force
Xenogears
Dracula unleashed
Sherlock Holmes
Skies of Arcadia
Grandia 2
Shadow Hearts
Inindo way of the ninja

any many many more.

Lunar 2 was ****ing AMAZING.

Doggcow
01-10-2010, 11:19 PM
Legend of Dragoon was also a great RPG

TheReverend
01-10-2010, 11:44 PM
Lunar 2 was ****ing AMAZING.

The first on Sega CD was vastly superior, imo

TheReverend
01-10-2010, 11:48 PM
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bpc
01-10-2010, 11:53 PM
I remember my buddy playing Lunar 2 back in the day. Great graphics for the time.

Seriously though, who had that Sega CD machine? That and the failure of the dreamcast are probably why they went under.

Kaylore
01-11-2010, 12:13 PM
That's absurd. The DW series is 8 times the series of FF

You know I took your advice because I liked the first one but I couldn't finish playing through the third and got bored. Still haven't tried it again.

By the way, did anyone play Wanderers from YYY's?

Crushaholic
01-11-2010, 12:29 PM
Pac-Man revolutionized the video game industry in the early 80s. There is no way that he should be on that list...:thumbsdow

Man-Goblin
01-11-2010, 12:35 PM
Pac-Man revolutionized the video game industry in the early 80s. There is no way that he should be on that list...:thumbsdow

He's a sellout. Like we were supposed to believe that wasn't just him wearing a bow in Ms. Pacman.

DrFate
01-11-2010, 01:52 PM
Master Chief has a backstory - it's in the novels, not the game.

The HALO universe is deep - much deeper than most of these game universes. But the story is developed in the novels.

Archer81
01-11-2010, 02:00 PM
Master Chief has a backstory - it's in the novels, not the game.

The HALO universe is deep - much deeper than most of these game universes. But the story is developed in the novels.


They created these novels to fill in because Halo lacks a decent backstory. SuperMario has more depth to him than Master Chief, and we never found out why he was in a world with walking goombahs and talking mushrooms.

:Broncos:

TheReverend
01-11-2010, 02:46 PM
You know I took your advice because I liked the first one but I couldn't finish playing through the third and got bored. Still haven't tried it again.

By the way, did anyone play Wanderers from YYY's?

The 4th is amazing, and the 8th for PS2 blows away every other RPG, imo.

Do you mean Ys? I played the sega version and playstation ones just for something to do and beat them but I was pretty bored with them.

bpc
01-11-2010, 02:55 PM
That's absurd. The DW series is 8 times the series of FF

Dragon Warrior was ghey.

Killericon
01-11-2010, 02:57 PM
Master Chief has a backstory - it's in the novels, not the game.

The HALO universe is deep - much deeper than most of these game universes. But the story is developed in the novels.

Well, if we start including backstories that exist outside of the videogames themselves, then **** just gets all sorts of fuzzy. Masterchief, as a character in the Halo games, is a cardboard cutout. Is that good for the game? Yeah, but it certainly doesn't make him something he isn't, which is a good character.

broncolife
01-11-2010, 03:10 PM
I remember my buddy playing Lunar 2 back in the day. Great graphics for the time.

Seriously though, who had that Sega CD machine? That and the failure of the dreamcast are probably why they went under.

I had the sega cd. Piece of crap kept on freezing on me. But I did like a couple of the games Dracula,Sherlock,Lunar,Dark Wizard.I did like them actually having real actors in some of the games. I made sure not to get the 32x. I remember telling my mom I didnt want it and then she got it for me for christmas. I thanked her but I told her to return it because I knew it was going to bomb.

TheReverend
01-11-2010, 03:11 PM
Dragon Warrior was ghey.

So you like the pretty colors, mainstream and easy mode play that FF brings to the table?

bpc
01-11-2010, 03:15 PM
So you like the pretty colors, mainstream and easy mode play that FF brings to the table?

<a href="http://photobucket.com/images/dragon%20warrior%20slime" target="_blank"><img src="http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad338/ericallione/dragonW3.jpg" border="0" alt="Dragon Warrior 4 slime Pictures, Images and Photos"/></a>

I could not get past how lame the slime character was, and how he kept showing up in each game.

Moogle > Slime

Rigs11
01-11-2010, 03:19 PM
meh..Samus Aran would betchslap Master Chef. Even being a chick.

LordHelmchen
01-11-2010, 03:20 PM
The characters were boring cliches and the most likable character in Aeris(th) dies in the first ten minutes of the game.
.

please show me how you can play through half of FFVII in 10 minutes.. I mean, I recently bought FFVII for the PSP to enjoy some nostalgia during my weekly flights and after 10 minutes you are maybe on the frigging train after setting of the first bomb :afro:

oh, and Aeris death actually adds to the awesomeness of the game, that left me speechless when it happened.

UberBroncoMan
01-11-2010, 03:23 PM
Sonic has been a pile of **** since Sonic Adventure (the first one).

Never heard much hype about Big Daddy... it's not even one entity, nor is a Big Daddy a main character.

Donkey Kong hasn't really gotten much hype... and in fact hasn't been put in many games at all for a while now. Donkey Kong 64 was his last adventure game. It's not like Sonic with **** being pushed out constantly (ie. Werewolf Sonic etc). Most all pure Sonic fans don't give a crap about him anymore, and the reviews of the games aren't stellar, thus there is no overrating.

Master Chief - Agreed
Marcus Fenix - Agreed
Kratos - Had Agreed - but overall character development and backstory trumps the others... personality wise though... generic.

In fact all 3 of these characters feel like each other - especially Kratos and Fenix. You could probably swap their personalities and get the same result in each game.

Lara Croft - Agreed - Only became popular because of digital two pillows amidst a solid game that only went downhill as more came out. Two movies put out to fill the void of a lack of Indiana Jones films... too bad another Indiana Jones film was made (I hated the new one).

Altair - Again, not heard too much hype. I thought Assasssins Creed (1st) was wretched btw. The story etc was nice but the gameplay UGG. The repetitive quests were just boring as hell, and not even worth finishing the game for me.

Pac-Man??? - Pac-Man Jones has had his name out there more than the character these days.

Chris Redfield - Yeah, not a lot of hype here either. Just another of the many main Resident Evil characters.

As someone else said "Bayonetta" is easily one already for me. A Devil May Cry style game (granted it's well done), but the character is beyond over-hyped.

You got some of the big ones though for me at least.

Broncoman13
01-11-2010, 03:23 PM
Stupidest story ever. We're fighting Shinra...but then there's this weird Caith Sith thing, who's really a fat guy at a computer...and we're surrounded by Japanese Cliche's and there's a meteor....and a mean guy with a big sword....and also Cloud's head hurts a lot and he can't remember....and also the ending sucks....or something.

Square was high when they wrote it.

Is that the one with Blitzball or was that FF-X?

I remember the one with Cloud but barely remember his name b/c I changed it to something else...

broncolife
01-11-2010, 03:31 PM
Is that the one with Blitzball or was that FF-X?

I remember the one with Cloud but barely remember his name b/c I changed it to something else...

Blitzball is final fantasy 10

UberBroncoMan
01-11-2010, 03:32 PM
Well, if we start including backstories that exist outside of the videogames themselves, then **** just gets all sorts of fuzzy. Masterchief, as a character in the Halo games, is a cardboard cutout. Is that good for the game? Yeah, but it certainly doesn't make him something he isn't, which is a good character.

Exactly.

When you start LEAVING THE VIDEO GAME to make a character better, something is amiss.

It means BAD CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT within the game. Video Games have every opportunity to create memorable stories and characters.

Halo was blah to me. Oh wow the Flood... I haven't seen that done before (probably one of the most overused entities/enemies in sci-fi).

Honestly, it wouldn't have been hard to make Master Chief a quality character. It would have required more work, time, money to do though, and lets face it. The audience they were catering to, cared more about things without story (ie. multiplayer) than the actual single player game.

Halo isn't a success because of its single player, it's the multiplayer.

The first game's single player was ****ing wretched. The level design in some areas showed little to no effort... just reused textures and layouts with the same mobs in different spots. Just blah.

You want proper development?

Look at a ****ty game.

Star Wars: The Force Unleashed

Quality story, SOLID CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.

Poop gameplay mechanics.

You can actually watch all the cut scenes from the game on YouTube... it's over 50 minutes long (yeah a freaking mini movie).

TheReverend
01-11-2010, 03:36 PM
<a href="http://photobucket.com/images/dragon%20warrior%20slime" target="_blank"><img src="http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad338/ericallione/dragonW3.jpg" border="0" alt="Dragon Warrior 4 slime Pictures, Images and Photos"/></a>

I could not get past how lame the slime character was, and how he kept showing up in each game.

Moogle > Slime

How they keep showing up in each game is part of the childhood nostalgia for me... I love the level up music too that they've kept throughout the years.

Rigs11
01-11-2010, 03:57 PM
Rmemeber this game?

http://curbsideprophecies.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/kid-icarus.jpg

TheReverend
01-11-2010, 04:09 PM
Rmemeber this game?

http://curbsideprophecies.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/kid-icarus.jpg

Damn near impossible. Falling was death and it was ALL climbing and shooting

2KBack
01-11-2010, 04:46 PM
Exactly.

When you start LEAVING THE VIDEO GAME to make a character better, something is amiss.

It means BAD CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT within the game. Video Games have every opportunity to create memorable stories and characters.

Halo was blah to me. Oh wow the Flood... I haven't seen that done before (probably one of the most overused entities/enemies in sci-fi).

Honestly, it wouldn't have been hard to make Master Chief a quality character. It would have required more work, time, money to do though, and lets face it. The audience they were catering to, cared more about things without story (ie. multiplayer) than the actual single player game.

Halo isn't a success because of its single player, it's the multiplayer.

The first game's single player was ****ing wretched. The level design in some areas showed little to no effort... just reused textures and layouts with the same mobs in different spots. Just blah.

You want proper development?

Look at a ****ty game.

Star Wars: The Force Unleashed

Quality story, SOLID CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.

Poop gameplay mechanics.

You can actually watch all the cut scenes from the game on YouTube... it's over 50 minutes long (yeah a freaking mini movie).

I'm certainly no Halo fan, but this comparison is a little on the unfair side, considering your complaints. Halo was developed in the late 90's, originally slated to be released on PC and Mac in 1999. There are obvious limitations to the tech regarding textures and character models. 1999 was back in the Nintendo 64 days, consider just how vast and varied the mobs and levels were for FPS back then. The evolution of console gaming has allowed for much richer and varied enemies and level design.

This of course in purely the console perspective. Halo is considered by most PC gamers as a mediocre, if solid, shooter. On the other hand it was a new evolution for these types of game on consoles. The standard control scheme for 1st person shooters on consoles is the Halo scheme. So while I was never really into the series, it has earned a place in video game history.

I'm not one for the silent, mystery badass though, so I can agree that the characterization in the series is pretty weak.

bpc
01-11-2010, 04:51 PM
please show me how you can play through half of FFVII in 10 minutes.. I mean, I recently bought FFVII for the PSP to enjoy some nostalgia during my weekly flights and after 10 minutes you are maybe on the frigging train after setting of the first bomb :afro:

oh, and Aeris death actually adds to the awesomeness of the game, that left me speechless when it happened.

Seriously, Aerith's death was like halfway through the game and I would equate the impact to the movie Deep Blue Sea, when Samuel Jackson was going through his speech and got bit and tore in half by the sharks. It was both staggering, violent, evil and it was really the point when you got sucked into the story and felt like, now I have to kill this SOB Sephiroth! Watching him decend from up high with his masamune and impaling her until death was just crazy to me as a teenager, and almost unheard of violence in a RPG game.

For those that like memory lane and old groundbreaking graphics... ha ha.

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rubaiyat
01-11-2010, 05:02 PM
Not sure why Kratos is on this list. He murdered his family while under the influence of the God of War, and was punished by Athena to wear the cremated remains of his family until the day he died.

:Broncos:

That's not that far from Hercules' story. Which doesn't make him as cool as Hercules, because...it's his story first.

broncolife
01-11-2010, 05:04 PM
Ah Kid Icarus. Brings back memories of me kicking medusas arse at the end. Wasnt she just some big head that shot snakes at you? Im not sure if I am remembering exactly how she was.

rubaiyat
01-11-2010, 05:06 PM
Final Fantasy 1 was the hardest and the reason I became an addict at 10 years of age back in 1990. I couldn't figure out how to beat the Marsh cave and hated the fact that to save up 4000 gil per broadsword to beat those damn wizards.

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I miss these old games. They were great.

Final Fantasy II was probably the most anticipated by me. Loved the whole story.

FF III pushed the depths of the story even further and then FF7 smashed them all IMO.

Had to realize those guys were water based. LIT did wonders on them. But playing D&D was basically a cheat code for that first FF, as it was pretty much ripped straight from that game.

EDIT - Disagree about the FF7 thing regarding FFIV and FFVI, but that's my opinion.

UberBroncoMan
01-11-2010, 05:06 PM
I'm certainly no Halo fan, but this comparison is a little on the unfair side, considering your complaints. Halo was developed in the late 90's, originally slated to be released on PC and Mac in 1999. There are obvious limitations to the tech regarding textures and character models. 1999 was back in the Nintendo 64 days, consider just how vast and varied the mobs and levels were for FPS back then. The evolution of console gaming has allowed for much richer and varied enemies and level design.

This of course in purely the console perspective. Halo is considered by most PC gamers as a mediocre, if solid, shooter. On the other hand it was a new evolution for these types of game on consoles. The standard control scheme for 1st person shooters on consoles is the Halo scheme. So while I was never really into the series, it has earned a place in video game history.

I'm not one for the silent, mystery badass though, so I can agree that the characterization in the series is pretty weak.

I never once mentioned graphics/models. In fact I think they have no place in this, as I find SNES games with more vastly higher amounts of substance than Halo. Technical limitations when HALO was released is no excuse for bad level design. GoldenEye and Pefect Dark (both on a console a generation behind the XboX) had superior level design.

The game wasn't released until 2001, that's two years past the 1999 date. Games get broken down and redone, it happens. Look at the Dinosaur Planet Star Fox game, or Too Human. No excuse for ****ty level design with two years and a team of professionals.

GoldenEye and Perfect Dark both will remain superior to Halo in my eyes (especially in Single Player) but in Multiplayer as well.

The ONLY thing Halo had going for it was ONLINE Multiplayer. That's what shot it to the top. If there had been online gaming back during the N64 days with the two games I mentioned this would all be a different story.

rubaiyat
01-11-2010, 05:09 PM
Well, I was playing Dragon Warrior before final fantasy came out. So I never had any of those feelings.

No worries, that puts you right with Japan for example where the Dragon Quest series is much higher ranked than FF. They even had to change the release schedule because so many children would get "sick" on the day a new DQ (or Dragon Warrior over here) came out.

rubaiyat
01-11-2010, 05:17 PM
Seriously, Aerith's death was like halfway through the game and I would equate the impact to the movie Deep Blue Sea, when Samuel Jackson was going through his speech and got bit and tore in half by the sharks. It was both staggering, violent, evil and it was really the point when you got sucked into the story and felt like, now I have to kill this SOB Sephiroth! Watching him decend from up high with his masamune and impaling her until death was just crazy to me as a teenager, and almost unheard of violence in a RPG game.

For those that like memory lane and old groundbreaking graphics... ha ha.

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Main character deaths had been in FF several iterations ago. Certainly FFII (FFIV in Japan) had it and no less dramatic.

2KBack
01-11-2010, 05:24 PM
I never once mentioned graphics/models. In fact I think they have no place in this, as I find SNES games with more vastly higher amounts of substance than Halo. Technical limitations when HALO was released is no excuse for bad level design. GoldenEye and Pefect Dark (both on a console a generation behind the XboX) had superior level design.

The game wasn't released until 2001, that's two years past the 1999 date. Games get broken down and redone, it happens. Look at the Dinosaur Planet Star Fox game, or Too Human. No excuse for ****ty level design with two years and a team of professionals.

GoldenEye and Perfect Dark both will remain superior to Halo in my eyes (especially in Single Player) but in Multiplayer as well.

The ONLY thing Halo had going for it was ONLINE Multiplayer. That's what shot it to the top. If there had been online gaming back during the N64 days with the two games I mentioned this would all be a different story.

I honestly don't think the level design of Golden eye was any better, it too was a collection of corridors. You did mention repetition of Mobs and textures, which correlates directly to the technology. The term "****ty level design" sounds like an opinion to me, and that's fine. Like I said I was never a Halo fan. What you did do was compare a game designed in the 90's to a game that was released in fall of 2008. Not only are there the technical issues that would result in the uninspired (in your opinion) repetitive enemies and level textures, but you also are comparing it to a game that has a built in backstory that EVERYONE knows. Opinions aside, a Star Wars game is automatically going to have a narrative advantage...it's set in the damn Star Wars universe, likely the single most read/watched/known fictional universe in the real universe.

Halo is badass that kills stuff, The Force unleashed is a chapter in the Star Wars story. Not much for a comparison if you ask me.

bpc
01-11-2010, 05:45 PM
Main character deaths had been in FF several iterations ago. Certainly FFII (FFIV in Japan) had it and no less dramatic.

I would argue not. Not like Aeris' death. Take Final Fantasy II and III. They played with the idea of killing people, and some characters MULTIPLE times like Cid, Yang, Rydia, among others, only to have them brought back.

I think FF3 really toed the line as nobody doubted Kefka was straight evil and killed several lesser characters... nothing portrayed the evilness of the death and how much it pulls on the game-players emotion like FF7. That's where they mastered it.

Many agree that Aeris' death was an iconic moment in RPG's and their growth into mainstream gameplay and not just being kiddy games any more. That boosted the coolness factor as well for playstation. Nintendo had the rep as a family platform and this let Square take on a harder edge.

Lev Vyvanse
01-11-2010, 05:59 PM
Two words Might & Magic.

Archer81
01-11-2010, 06:14 PM
That's not that far from Hercules' story. Which doesn't make him as cool as Hercules, because...it's his story first.


All greek mythology is based on vengence of some kind, so I dont fault Kratos (a son of zeus) for going through the same things. The fact that his character development through the first game sets the stage for the final two games makes him a more rounded character. A man promised redemption goes on a mission to stop and kill the god of war, only to find out the gods do not have the power to remove Kratos' guilt, fueling his personal war against the gods and bringing about the end of the Greek Panthenon of gods. Its unique in that aspect, IMO, and thats what makes Kratos different.

:Broncos:

Kaylore
01-11-2010, 10:33 PM
please show me how you can play through half of FFVII in 10 minutes.. I mean, I recently bought FFVII for the PSP to enjoy some nostalgia during my weekly flights and after 10 minutes you are maybe on the frigging train after setting of the first bomb :afro:

oh, and Aeris death actually adds to the awesomeness of the game, that left me speechless when it happened.

Aeris' death isn't halfway in. I was obviously using hyperbole when I said ten minutes in. My point was just as the story gets going Aeris dies. And my main gripe is she was one of the best characters and after he passing the remainder of the characters had no depth at all: Yuffie predictably cutsie, Barrett a racist cliche, Tifa = tits, Cloud is the Japanese compensating for tiny peens, and Cait Sith, the worst charcter of all time, a fat man at a keyboard. The others were so-so but they lacked any depth and certainly even a little realism. And can you honestly tell me you think the story is logical and cool?

So far all BPC has put up as a counter point is personal insults and sales numbers and he has yet to actually make a case for the story or characters being whole or developed. Can you do any better?:poke:

bpc
01-11-2010, 10:51 PM
Aeris' death isn't halfway in. I was obviously using hyperbole when I said ten minutes in. My point was just as the story gets going Aeris dies. And my main gripe is she was one of the best characters and after he passing the remainder of the characters had no depth at all: Yuffie predictably cutsie, Barrett a racist cliche, Tifa = boobies, Cloud is the Japanese compensating for tiny peens, and Cait Sith, the worst charcter of all time, a fat man at a keyboard. The others were so-so but they lacked any depth and certainly even a little realism. And can you honestly tell me you think the story is logical and cool?

So far all BPC has put up as a counter point is personal insults and sales numbers and he has yet to actually make a case for the story or characters being whole or developed. Can you do any better?:poke:

Why would I waste my time breaking down a story you obviously don't care for? It wasn't too difficult or plain for many other posters and millions of other fans to enjoy and many point to that as the breakthrough game for RPG's into the mainstream. Guess you're just smarter than everybody else there K. You know, factual statistics will make you look like a buffoon over and over again on this standpoint, but don't go letting that get in your way. :thumbsup:

Clockwork Orange
01-12-2010, 12:00 AM
Are we just talking about playable characters here? If not, I gotta throw Albert Wesker from the Resident Evil series in. For whatever reason, there's just never been anything particularly fascinating about the guy, plus he wears sunglasses indoors, which instantly makes him that special breed of douche. For that reason alone it was pretty satisfying to bring him to an untimely end in RE5. :)

Archer81
01-12-2010, 06:31 AM
Are we just talking about playable characters here? If not, I gotta throw Albert Wesker from the Resident Evil series in. For whatever reason, there's just never been anything particularly fascinating about the guy, plus he wears sunglasses indoors, which instantly makes him that special breed of douche. For that reason alone it was pretty satisfying to bring him to an untimely end in RE5. :)


Wesker is a Euro-douche. Besides, the fact he is infected makes his eyes glow red...so he has to wear his sunglasses at night...


:Broncos:

Doggcow
01-12-2010, 08:14 AM
Why would I waste my time breaking down a story you obviously don't care for? It wasn't too difficult or plain for many other posters and millions of other fans to enjoy and many point to that as the breakthrough game for RPG's into the mainstream. Guess you're just smarter than everybody else there K. You know, factual statistics will make you look like a buffoon over and over again on this standpoint, but don't go letting that get in your way. :thumbsup:

Lots of people like the Raiders. Doesn't mean they're a good team.

You said Baffoon.

/thread

Rohirrim
01-12-2010, 08:26 AM
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bronco militia
01-12-2010, 08:27 AM
congrats on your gay thread

Doggcow
01-12-2010, 08:32 AM
congrats on your gay thread

Ironically your avatar relates to a flamer
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bronco militia
01-12-2010, 08:33 AM
Ironically your avatar relates to a flamer
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jacob2125
01-12-2010, 09:03 AM
No Mario? The most over used, no substance character in the history of videogames? And yet they put someone like Kratos on there. This list fails.

UberBroncoMan
01-12-2010, 11:02 AM
I honestly don't think the level design of Golden eye was any better, it too was a collection of corridors. You did mention repetition of Mobs and textures, which correlates directly to the technology. The term "****ty level design" sounds like an opinion to me, and that's fine. Like I said I was never a Halo fan. What you did do was compare a game designed in the 90's to a game that was released in fall of 2008. Not only are there the technical issues that would result in the uninspired (in your opinion) repetitive enemies and level textures, but you also are comparing it to a game that has a built in backstory that EVERYONE knows. Opinions aside, a Star Wars game is automatically going to have a narrative advantage...it's set in the damn Star Wars universe, likely the single most read/watched/known fictional universe in the real universe.

Halo is badass that kills stuff, The Force unleashed is a chapter in the Star Wars story. Not much for a comparison if you ask me.

GoldenEye was based on a movie too... there are no ALIENS... so you're only going to fight Janus goons or Russians. I also made no mention of Halo 3, thus there was no comparison there. I talked about the original Halo, which is what you yourself also brought up.

There were points in Halo where I literally said... what the ****, haven't I been here before (and I hadn't). It was that uninspired in some places. Didn't have that issue with GoldenEye or Perfect Dark.

As for Star Wars game going to win automatically, I don't buy it. Hell look at the prequel movies. The first two by all accounts were **** imo... the 3rd was OK. ****ty acting, overuse of CGI, a poor tempo etc. The game could have been a complete pile of crap story wise. Just because you're in the Star Wars universe doesn't mean you'll have a good story.

My point remains that GoldenEye and Perfect Dark are SUPERIOR to Halo (2001).

bpc
01-12-2010, 11:23 AM
Lots of people like the Raiders. Doesn't mean they're a good team.

You said Baffoon.

/thread

Not the same. You and Kaylore are comparing the popularity of FF7 to that of N'Sync and the Raiders, which have a platform (TELEVISION) to generate their fandom.

Games are not so lucky. There is not a 24/7 gaming network where people can watch and say, OH, that looks cool, I think i'll play that! Especially not back in 1997. There wass no MTV, NFL Network, ESPN, etc. Also, FF7 is WAY too deep of a story for the casual game to play for 10 minutes and fall in love with. It's 30-40 hours of intense gameplan which people have to be attached to, to stick with it.

Not the same. There is a reason it is revered... is because people can remember playing it, the story it told, the emotions it caused, the DEPTH of the gameplay, and how great it felt to achieve and survive it all.

It can be described in two ways... ground breaking, and the probably the most popular RPG of all time.

Archer81
01-12-2010, 01:06 PM
Not the same. You and Kaylore are comparing the popularity of FF7 to that of N'Sync and the Raiders, which have a platform (TELEVISION) to generate their fandom.

Games are not so lucky. There is not a 24/7 gaming network where people can watch and say, OH, that looks cool, I think i'll play that! Especially not back in 1997. There wass no MTV, NFL Network, ESPN, etc. Also, FF7 is WAY too deep of a story for the casual game to play for 10 minutes and fall in love with. It's 30-40 hours of intense gameplan which people have to be attached to, to stick with it.

Not the same. There is a reason it is revered... is because people can remember playing it, the story it told, the emotions it caused, the DEPTH of the gameplay, and how great it felt to achieve and survive it all.

It can be described in two ways... ground breaking, and the probably the most popular RPG of all time.


G4 exists now, but videogames are still looked at more as somethings kids do rather than a serious media format. It happens.

:Broncos:

Harvitz81
01-12-2010, 07:33 PM
I'll throw my opinion in on the FF series. FF II/IV started it all for me and is still probably one of, if not my favorite RPG of all time. FF III/VI is right there as well. FFVII I would rank third in the series followed by Tactics. FFVIII totally ruined the series for me as I played about halfway through it and just stopped as it bored the **** out of me with the whole drawing magic from enemies thing, plus the stupid card game system. Total wast of time. Needless to say, I didn't play 9, but I did play 10. The sphere grid was a cool twist, but your characters could become overpowered real fast. I also hated the fact that I had to play 20+ hours of blitzball to get stupid Wakka's ultimate weapon (I'm OCD about getting everything). Also, an enemy named 'sin' - real original there. I actually have XII sitting on my shelf, but have never even popped it in to try it. FFII is one that I've actually played through a half dozen times and it never gets old. Great story and fun to get all the different characters throughout the game.

The Zelda series is still my favorite RPGs of all time. I like the battle system much better than the FF series and Link to the Past and Ocarina of time are just plain awesome.

Another RPG series that I enjoyed was the Dark Cloud series for PS. It was fun customizing your weapons and it employed a similar battle system as Zelda.

RE: Kid Icarus - one of my favorite NES games of all time, but mother ****ing hard to beat. The only way I ever beat the game was using a ROM so that I could save and reload anywhere.

bpc
01-12-2010, 08:28 PM
Soul Blazer was a great game. That game always sort of stuck with me.

Grandia II was awesome as well.

2KBack
01-12-2010, 08:36 PM
GoldenEye was based on a movie too... there are no ALIENS... so you're only going to fight Janus goons or Russians. I also made no mention of Halo 3, thus there was no comparison there. I talked about the original Halo, which is what you yourself also brought up.

There were points in Halo where I literally said... what the ****, haven't I been here before (and I hadn't). It was that uninspired in some places. Didn't have that issue with GoldenEye or Perfect Dark.

As for Star Wars game going to win automatically, I don't buy it. Hell look at the prequel movies. The first two by all accounts were **** imo... the 3rd was OK. ****ty acting, overuse of CGI, a poor tempo etc. The game could have been a complete pile of crap story wise. Just because you're in the Star Wars universe doesn't mean you'll have a good story.

My point remains that GoldenEye and Perfect Dark are SUPERIOR to Halo (2001).

I never mention Halo 3 either, not sure where you got that. If your argument ia that Goldeneye or Perfect dark are better than Halo, I won't disagree. I don't care for any of the three to be honest. I only took issue with comparing two games in different genres that were designed a decade apart.

Might as well complain about how repetitive the environments and enemies were in Wolfenstein 3D compared to Halflife.