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Bronco Rob
01-10-2010, 06:33 AM
McD's get-tough policy bad move at wrong time


Readers talk and columnist Mark Kiszla responds
By Mark Kiszla
The Denver Post
Posted: 01/10/2010 01:00:00 AM MST


Not schoolboys.

"Josh McDaniels was 100 percent right to tell Brandon Marshall to stay home for the Broncos' final game? And McDaniels would have lost his team if he surrendered to Marshall? Someone better revoke your medicinal marijuana card, Kiz. Little Josh could have made a statement by not re-signing Marshall, but he decided it was better to bench a Pro Bowler and give up any chance to make the playoffs. McDaniels wanted to field players who want to work hard. What? Are you kidding me? Since when does anyone coach an NFL team like a high school team? What a joke." -Jim, Parker


Kiz: Let's see. Broncos running back Terrell Davis once checked into a Super Bowl huddle with a blinding migraine. New England quarterback Tom Brady is going to give it a go in this year's playoffs despite cracked ribs and a busted finger. What do TD and Brady have that Marshall wishes he owned? Championship rings. I'm not saying B-Marsh lacks toughness, but some football players are Hall of Fame tough. And there's a difference.


Show 'em who's boss.

"I agree with McDaniels on the Marshall issue. It takes guts to do that, especially when the playoffs are on the line. These overpaid prima donnas must realize McD is the boss." -John, Flagler


Kiz: Let's get one thing straight. Marshall and McDaniels both want to win. The importance of their personality clash was way overplayed by melodramatic fiddlers. Know the No. 1 reason for almost any dispute in the NFL? It's all about the money. So follow the money. It's taking Marshall straight out of Denver.


Careful what you wish for.

"You wanted Mike Shanahan fired. Check. You wanted Jay Cutler out. Check. You want Marshall and Tony Scheffler out. Check. About the only thing you're right on is the question: Are the Broncos, including the coach and front office, better than last year? No! You, the lackeys at Channel 4 and owner Pat Bowlen are all on the Kool-Aid. McDaniels is, and was, over his head. McD will draft a new QB and say it takes a while to develop. Bowlen and McDaniels deserve this. It's about the money, including trading away a first-rounder for Alphonso Smith, as in: Bowlen doesn't have the money anymore." - Rich, owner of 12 season tickets


Kiz: Hey, sticks and stones may break my bones, but when you start going after my pals Vic Lombardi and Gary Miller, them's fighting words. Tell me: Did you hear Champ Bailey or Daniel Graham, two respected vets brought to town by Shanahan, grousing when McDaniels benched Marshall and Scheffler?



Aggressive enthusiasm.


"Mark: My kudos to you for being level- headed in your columns regarding the Broncos. You have given the good and bad of the leadership, coaching and player situations during the past year. I know change is very difficult, whether it be a company or an NFL team. More than anything else, the Broncos needed a cultural change. As a lifelong Patriots fan, I've been watching McDaniels for years. He's smart and a very good coach. I compare him to some of the young, smart executives I brought into my company who ticked off the older guys with his aggressive enthusiasm." - Mike, Golden


Kiz: McDaniels is brash, bold and often acts like he's the smartest football guy in the room. In that respect, McD reminds me a little of a young Shanny.



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broncofan7
01-10-2010, 08:23 AM
2 & 8 in his last ten games-without any major injury issues (excluding Ryan Harris)....those are Chief (wait--they finished BETTER than we did and beat us by 20 points in our house in a game that we HAD to win), Lions & Rams type of finishes---and this occurred not at the beginning of the season when struggles can be explained away by players being unfamiliar with a new coaches system, but rather when the system was in fact MORE FAMILIAR to the players......This guy needs to be run out of town PRONTO.

go_broncos
01-10-2010, 08:26 AM
2 & 8 in his last ten games-without any major injury issues (excluding Ryan Harris)....those are Chief (wait--they finished BETTER than we did and beat us by 20 points in our house in a game that we HAD to win), Lions & Rams type of finishes---and this occurred not at the beginning of the season when struggles can be explained away by players being unfamiliar with a new coaches system, but rather when the system was in fact MORE FAMILIAR to the players......This guy needs to be run out of town PRONTO.

Patience..Mcd will be fired after the coming season.
He is not fit to coach in NFL.

ayjackson
01-10-2010, 08:51 AM
2 & 8 in his last ten games-without any major injury issues (excluding Ryan Harris)....those are Chief (wait--they finished BETTER than we did and beat us by 20 points in our house in a game that we HAD to win), Lions & Rams type of finishes---and this occurred not at the beginning of the season when struggles can be explained away by players being unfamiliar with a new coaches system, but rather when the system was in fact MORE FAMILIAR to the players......This guy needs to be run out of town PRONTO.


excluding Harris, yet line play went to hell in a hand basket second half

Pony Boy
01-10-2010, 09:02 AM
2 & 8 in his last ten games-without any major injury issues (excluding Ryan Harris)....those are Chief (wait--they finished BETTER than we did and beat us by 20 points in our house in a game that we HAD to win), Lions & Rams type of finishes---and this occurred not at the beginning of the season when struggles can be explained away by players being unfamiliar with a new coaches system, but rather when the system was in fact MORE FAMILIAR to the players......This guy needs to be run out of town PRONTO.

Do they check your underwear for explosives before they let you in the stadium.......

Tombstone RJ
01-10-2010, 09:25 AM
2 & 8 in his last ten games-without any major injury issues (excluding Ryan Harris)....those are Chief (wait--they finished BETTER than we did and beat us by 20 points in our house in a game that we HAD to win), Lions & Rams type of finishes---and this occurred not at the beginning of the season when struggles can be explained away by players being unfamiliar with a new coaches system, but rather when the system was in fact MORE FAMILIAR to the players......This guy needs to be run out of town PRONTO.

Your act is old and boring. You continually keep pulling this 2-8 crap out of you butt because you have nothing else to pound in the dirt.

The team finished 8-8 in McD's first year, with a new offense, defense and new players.

Shanny's team lost the last 3 games of last year when all they had to do is win one to be in the playoffs. Talk about utter failure, that is it!

McD's first year and the team is 8-8. Shanny's 14th year and his team is 8-8. You want McD gone, but you don't want to face reality.

NFLBRONCO
01-10-2010, 09:34 AM
If Mcd is fired whenever he's fired we move on. Mcd is inexperienced like every 1st time head coach. I think one rookie mistake was he overestimated his interior OL for his system it was better suited for Shanny's system. We collapsed in 2nd half under Shanny too why he neglected the trenches for a decade and only used scraps when he did and he is considered hof material coach wise. I do believe McD's understands that both lines need more power added. I'm a full supporter of McD if I have one concern about him is I think he won't bolster skill positions like I hope we would like Indy NE SD. I do understand even with my concerns he needs a few offseasons to get it done.

rugbythug
01-10-2010, 09:38 AM
You need to address the problem when it arises. Not like McDaniels had a choice on that.

Bronx33
01-10-2010, 09:46 AM
You need to address the problem when it arises. Not like McDaniels had a choice on that.

Thats a fair assessment..

RMT
01-10-2010, 10:17 AM
This quote of Kiz says it all to me: "Did you hear Champ Bailey or Daniel Graham, two respected vets brought to town by Shanahan, grousing when McDaniels benched Marshall and Scheffler?"

Paladin
01-10-2010, 10:58 AM
"Melodramatic fiddlers...." Good description.....

ludo21
01-10-2010, 11:03 AM
Mcd will be fine. He made some stupid mistakes but I think (I hope) he learns from them.

Benching BMarsh ended up being just fine caz we were done anyway.

watermock
01-10-2010, 12:14 PM
Kizla has thin skin and is basically just a mouhpiece for the team.

Whole piece is garbage.

Popps
01-10-2010, 12:19 PM
Kiz: Hey, sticks and stones may break my bones, but when you start going after my pals Vic Lombardi and Gary Miller, them's fighting words. Tell me: Did you hear Champ Bailey or Daniel Graham, two respected vets brought to town by Shanahan, grousing when McDaniels benched Marshall and Scheffler?

Kiz: McDaniels is brash, bold and often acts like he's the smartest football guy in the room. In that respect, McD reminds me a little of a young Shanny.

DBroncos4life
01-10-2010, 12:21 PM
This quote of Kiz says it all to me: "Did you hear Champ Bailey or Daniel Graham, two respected vets brought to town by Shanahan, grousing when McDaniels benched Marshall and Scheffler?"

I did see their play on the field vs the Chiefs and I thought it was less then impressive. Let's not forget that they are well paid too. I have no problem with them wanting to hold Marshall accountable for his actions, I just find it ironic that they do that and come out and pretty much play their worst game of the season after doing that. No one can hold them accountable for that now can they.

SureShot
01-10-2010, 12:37 PM
excluding Harris, yet line play went to hell in a hand basket second half

That is one thing I cant wrap my brain around. Daniel Graham has been been playing the role of training wheels for inexperienced RTs most of his stay here, is Polumbus that much worse than Pears? Where was the blocking TE we dropped a 2nd on?

Popps
01-10-2010, 12:38 PM
I did see their play on the field vs the Chiefs and I thought it was less then impressive. Let's not forget that they are well paid too. I have no problem with them wanting to hold Marshall accountable for his actions, I just find it ironic that they do that and come out and pretty much play their worst game of the season after doing that. No one can hold them accountable for that now can they.

I've heard people regurgitating this argument around here.

Who says that it was a joyous decision? Who said it wasn't a distraction and ultimately a negative effect?

Ever had to make a hard decision in life that didn't exactly lift your spirits afterward, even though you knew it was the right thing to do?

This was a massive distraction. As we saw when Shanahan chose to bench plummer in 06, these distractions take a heavy toll on a team, whether it was the right thing to do or not. This was our biggest offensive weapon that the staff and team leaders basically had to bench.

Why would the assumption be after this kind of major locker room distraction in the middle of a losing streak be that the team would somehow be a huge positive?

rastaman
01-10-2010, 12:54 PM
Patience..Mcd will be fired after the coming season.
He is not fit to coach in NFL.

I think McD would make an excellent Div I big conference college coach. I wish the CU Buffs would offer McD a contract after he's fired by Bowlen.

DBroncos4life
01-10-2010, 12:55 PM
I've heard people regurgitating this argument around here.

Who says that it was a joyous decision? Who said it wasn't a distraction and ultimately a negative effect?

Ever had to make a hard decision in life that didn't exactly lift your spirits afterward, even though you knew it was the right thing to do?

This was a massive distraction. As we saw when Shanahan chose to bench plummer in 06, these distractions take a heavy toll on a team, whether it was the right thing to do or not. This was our biggest offensive weapon that the staff and team leaders basically had to bench.

Why would the assumption be after this kind of major locker room distraction in the middle of a losing streak be that the team would somehow be a huge positive?
There are more then a few people that think that when Mike benched Plummer he lost the team for good. I'm sure the players that wanted Marshall to be benched never thought as much information surrounding it would get out the way it did. I have questioned the FO's ability to keep things in house since the beginning of the Cutler thing. This backfired on the players and the coaches. I'm not saying it was the wrong move but not only was Marshall not in that game (more because he wasn't going to anyways) we had to deal with the dealings of the media. I think whoever went to the media got what he wanted out of the outcome.

rastaman
01-10-2010, 01:05 PM
I've heard people regurgitating this argument around here.

Who says that it was a joyous decision? Who said it wasn't a distraction and ultimately a negative effect?

Ever had to make a hard decision in life that didn't exactly lift your spirits afterward, even though you knew it was the right thing to do?

This was a massive distraction. As we saw when Shanahan chose to bench plummer in 06, these distractions take a heavy toll on a team, whether it was the right thing to do or not. This was our biggest offensive weapon that the staff and team leaders basically had to bench.

Why would the assumption be after this kind of major locker room distraction in the middle of a losing streak be that the team would somehow be a huge positive?

Benching Marshall didn't cause Orton to throw two picks that resulted in TD's. Benching Marshall did't cause Graham to drop all those passes. Benching Marshall didn't cause those so called vets who were advocating
"Accountability & Responsibility" to show up against the KC's and stink up the JOINT! Marshall wasn't the cause of of the Defense allowing KC to dump 44 points on the Broncos. Benching Marshall didn't cause/allow Jamal Charles to scorch and torch our defense for over 250 yards!

Tell me something Popps! Where was all the accountability and responsibility from all of McD's VETERANS. Did Marshall cause the team to QUIT on McD against the KC's with playoff implications on the line?