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broncofan7
01-09-2010, 08:04 PM
The rumor out of Philly is that if McNabb did not lead the team deep into the playoffs again this year--that they are willing to cut ties (finally) and move on with Kolb as Kolb played very effectively when in for an injured McNabb this year.

That being said, if the rumor is true--coupled with Dallas' beatdown of Philly tonight, would you be willing to give up a 2nd to have Donovan McNabb as the Denver Broncos starting QB?

Some Background:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/columnists/20100108_Rich_Hofmann__McNabb_looks_to_be_on_his_w ay_out.html

POSTED: January 8, 2010
Rich Hofmann: McNabb looks to be on his way out

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By Rich Hofmann
Philadelphia Daily News
Daily News Sports Columnist

THE WIDE RECEIVER boasts. The Web site director spits. The Eagles get ready for another shot at the Dallas Cowboys and that is the trivia of another week at the carnival. The real subtext, though, concerns the quarterback and the question: Is this the last go-round for Donovan McNabb, the man who has done everything a Philadelphia quarterback can do except for the one thing that everybody so desperately wants him to do?
Personally, I think this is it. I think the club made that clear without saying it by giving McNabb a raise during the offseason but declining to extend his contract past the 2010 season. If they win a Super Bowl, of course, things change. If they get to another NFC Championship Game, and McNabb plays great, things change. Short of that, though, I think it's over.
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Eleven years is a long time for a quarterback in one city. Five years is a long time for a fan base to be locked in perpetual debate about a quarterback - and that is how long Eagles fans have been burying me in a digital avalanche every time I type the guy's name, pro or con. Ever since that achingly slow fourth-quarter drive in the Super Bowl, when McNabb either did or did not throw up in the huddle, the town has been thoroughly divided. During the flash points, you can read the exhaustion on everyone's face, including McNabb's. Another flash point is coming, maybe as soon as tomorrow night. When this season is over, there is nothing that anybody will say concerning McNabb that hasn't already been said a million times. The answer here is not obvious until you look at the contract. McNabb has trade value only as long as he is under contract - which means you trade him now or you have to extend him for X-number of years after the season, with a new signing bonus and plenty of color and pageantry (and a likely one-way ticket out the door for Kevin Kolb, whom you have previously identified as your future).
If the Eagles lose tomorrow, does anybody really think they are going to do that? Or that they should?
I have tried to be as objective as I could be over the years - admittedly, with varying success. Sometimes I hear the really asinine criticism and lean more toward being McNabb's defense attorney. Other times, when he's having one of those worm-burner days, I am too harsh. Overall, I think his body of work suggests McNabb is the best quarterback in the history of the franchise. But I also have seen this team lose four conference championship games, three as a favorite - and he hasn't played a great, complete game in any of them, or in the Super Bowl.
Sometimes it is all about the quarterback in the NFL. Other than an NHL goaltender, the quarterback has more to say about winning and losing than any single player in professional sports. He just does. (And he is paid accordingly.)
Here is a stat list. It is of 10 elite quarterbacks playing today. They all play well when they win - McNabb's rating of 92.3 is seventh out of 10 - and they all play somewhere between less-well and badly when they lose. This is a list of their passer ratings in the playoff games that they lose.
Kurt Warner . . . 91.6
Drew Brees . . . 91.5
Tom Brady . . . 79.0
Tony Romo . . . 75.8
Ben Roethlisberger . . . 74.2
Peyton Manning . . . 70.6
Philip Rivers . . . 69.0
Brett Favre . . . 68.0
Donovan McNabb . . . 66.4
Eli Manning . . . 48.4
It is the heart of the matter with McNabb - that is, that he is almost never one of their better players in defeat. (Before last year's NFC title game, his rating in playoff losses was 58.9.) And then there is the question of comebacks. The people at the great pro-football-reference.com have compiled the numbers for fourth-quarter playoff comeback wins by quarterbacks. We'll take the same 10 guys and line them up based upon how often they have brought their teams back in the postseason. Brady is otherworldly, with six comeback wins out of nine playoff games that he trailed in the fourth quarter.
Tom Brady . . . 6-for-9
Kurt Warner . . . 3-for-6
Eli Manning . . . 3-for-6
Ben Roethlisberger . . . 2-for-4
Brett Favre . . . 2-for-12
Philip Rivers . . . 1-for-3
Donovan McNabb . . . 1-for-7
Peyton Manning . . . 1-for-8
Drew Brees . . . 0-for-2
Tony Romo . . . 0-for-2
These are just the facts in one of sports' toughest proving grounds, the NFL postseason. McNabb has won 60 percent of his playoff starts, a good number. Those are all big games, not just the ones he loses. Of course, the point spread suggests he had what was perceived to be the better team in 67 percent of those games. And around it goes.
I wouldn't insult McNabb and say that Kolb is better today, or anything like that - but Kolb is intriguing. He would be a more natural stylistic fit for the offense, with not as big an arm as McNabb but with more of a willingness to get the ball out quickly. But, yes, you would be gambling on his development here. There is no denying that.
If he never gets a chance, though, you never find out. This is a very young Eagles team. If it were an old core, about to collapse, I could see the logic of McNabb staying to the end - but that isn't the reality. If you sense ambivalence here, that is because there is ambivalence here. It has been 11 years, after all. But if it ends quickly, it just feels like this is it. *
Send e-mail to hofmanr@phillynews.com (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/columnists/mailto:hofmanr@phillynews.com),
or read his blog, The Idle Rich, at
http://go.philly.com/theidlerich (http://go.philly.com/theidlerich).
For recent columns go to
http://go.philly.com/hofmann (http://go.philly.com/hofmann).

yhova
01-09-2010, 08:05 PM
Hell yes. We draft ****ty anyways so take someone for the pick who has actually accomplished things in the league.

go_broncos
01-09-2010, 08:06 PM
Yes..I doubt if anyone will say No..

Carmelo15
01-09-2010, 08:07 PM
Duh.

Killericon
01-09-2010, 08:07 PM
**** no. McNabb is awesome, but we need a long-term starter. Between McNabb's injury history and his age...Just no.

BMarsh615
01-09-2010, 08:09 PM
Hell yes. McNabb is the most underrated QB in the NFL IMO. He will be able to play at least 4 more years and is still a top 5 QB.

Tom A Hawk
01-09-2010, 08:13 PM
Hell yes. McNabb is the most underrated QB in the NFL IMO. He will be able to play at least 4 more years and is still a top 5 QB.

He is looking good tonight!

go_broncos
01-09-2010, 08:13 PM
Right now, We need to reach playoffs and i believe Mcnabb will be the short term answer.
He is much better QB than Orton.

go_broncos
01-09-2010, 08:15 PM
He is looking good tonight!

Its one game.He is a much better QB than Orton.

TD30
01-09-2010, 08:15 PM
Mcnabb yes but couldn't pull the trigger on the mcsuperbowl.

broncofan7
01-09-2010, 08:16 PM
sorry for the mis-spelling in the poll

Dr. Broncenstein
01-09-2010, 08:17 PM
In a hot minute.

gtown
01-09-2010, 08:18 PM
Given that it would take McNabb a few years to grasp the system completely and he is older, it seems like a waste. But our draft record has been spotty, so why not?

jhat01
01-09-2010, 08:18 PM
for a 2nd or less? Absolutely.

jhat01
01-09-2010, 08:20 PM
Given that it would take McNabb a few years to grasp the system completely and he is older, it seems like a waste. But our draft record has been spotty, so why not?

Our draft record after one year? Or our draft record with front office peoplewho are no longer here?

gtown
01-09-2010, 08:24 PM
Our draft record after one year? Or our draft record with front office peoplewho are no longer here?

Over the years. Still, no matter who we have calling the shots, the thing is still a crapshoot.

extralife
01-09-2010, 08:27 PM
yes, but it won't happen. McD is loyal and he likes Orton. McNabb also isn't that accurate and we don't have a guy to run 50 yards down the field for him.

Rocket 7
01-09-2010, 08:29 PM
Hell yeah!

uplink
01-09-2010, 08:29 PM
I'd take McNabb for a 2nd but it will take a 1st rounder I think. He is still relatively young.
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broncofan7
01-09-2010, 08:37 PM
How about Marshall, Scheff(eagles were rumored to trade for him last year) and a 2nd for McNabb and Maclin?

rbackfactory80
01-09-2010, 08:41 PM
Hell to the yeahs. I love the McNabb. Gotta love the McNabb.

watermock
01-09-2010, 08:42 PM
**** no!

SoCalBronco
01-09-2010, 08:42 PM
No. A 2nd round pick is too much to give up for another short term option. We should be looking at the long term, instead.

TheDave
01-09-2010, 08:46 PM
Of course... for that matter I would take Brady, Manningm and Rothlisberger also.

OCBronco
01-09-2010, 08:49 PM
McNabb is inaccurate and disappears completely in big games. No thanks.

rbackfactory80
01-09-2010, 08:55 PM
McNabb is inaccurate and disappears completely in big games. No thanks.

What, are you serious. He has been to like 5 championship games and a superbowl. Doesn't get much bigger than that.

broncofan7
01-09-2010, 08:57 PM
Of course... for that matter I would take Brady, Manning and Rothlisberger also.

unfortunately, these 3 have not been rumored to be heading out of town for the last 4 seasons........nor have they had an heir drafted as has been in Philly (Kevin Kolb)

TheDave
01-09-2010, 09:00 PM
unfortunately, these 3 have not been rumored to be heading out of town for the last 4 seasons........nor have they had an heir drafted as has been in Philly (Kevin Kolb)

These rumors with McNabb surface every year or two... I'll believe it when I see it.

Popps
01-09-2010, 09:19 PM
These rumors with McNabb surface every year or two... I'll believe it when I see it.

Exactly.

Who are they going to replace him with? A rookie? Why not re-sign him and develop a guy behind him?

I like McNabb's skills... but I'm not sure he's the right guy to run the system we're putting in place.

TonyR
01-09-2010, 09:22 PM
He has been to like 5 championship games and a superbowl. Doesn't get much bigger than that.

1-4 in NFC Championship Games, favored in all but 1.

Pony Boy
01-09-2010, 10:08 PM
McNabb is inaccurate and disappears completely in big games. No thanks.

At least he gets to the BIG GAMES..

Taco John
01-09-2010, 10:10 PM
Without even giving anyone time to blink, I'd take that deal.

broncocalijohn
01-09-2010, 10:15 PM
package Marshall to Philly. They would be sick at receiving with Jackson and Marshall and we get McNabb. If not, Im fine with Orton at QB. If we dont have plans to keep Orton for more than 2 years, I think McNabb has two years in him.

DBroncos4life
01-09-2010, 10:16 PM
Exactly.

Who are they going to replace him with? A rookie? Why not re-sign him and develop a guy behind him?

I like McNabb's skills... but I'm not sure he's the right guy to run the system we're putting in place.

I don't think the odds are high that McNabb goes anywhere but they already have a guy that they drafted in the 2nd round and he has been there for three years now. I would say three years is enough time to be developed.

WolfpackGuy
01-09-2010, 11:14 PM
Can Orton be shipped out to "sweeten" the deal?

Sign me up!

tsiguy96
01-09-2010, 11:29 PM
at some point the blame has to fall on their HC and not everyone else. how can anyone be expected to win when they dont even pretend to care about running the ball?

KipCorrington25
01-10-2010, 12:06 AM
Yes, it's an upgrade, well most anything is vs. 3andOurton.

ScottXray
01-10-2010, 12:25 AM
package Marshall to Philly. They would be sick at receiving with Jackson and Marshall and we get McNabb. If not, Im fine with Orton at QB. If we dont have plans to keep Orton for more than 2 years, I think McNabb has two years in him.

Marshall to Philly for McNabb and their 1st I might consider if they pay most of McNabbs salary....other than that this thread is Horseshyt!

Get REAL...Philly aint sending McNabb away, and Marshall is 25 and a pro bowl receiver that has tons of time left...In 2-3 years McNabb will be DONE.

Any deal for McNabb they will want Orton thrown in...I don't think they'd consider Simms (Hahah).

UberBroncoMan
01-10-2010, 01:02 AM
What, are you serious. He has been to like 5 championship games and a superbowl. Doesn't get much bigger than that.

... and in all those chances did he ever actually WIN a Super Bowl? Hell he only made it to ONE Super Bowl in all those NFC Championship games... oh and the Eagles are once again missing out on their Super Bowl shot.

What's funny is I think the Broncos and Eagles both put everything out in their game vs each other and both teams went completely downhill after it.

Back to McNabb... he's too damn old and injury prone.

34 next year and he has NO experience in our system.

No thanks.

OBF1
01-10-2010, 01:29 AM
Where and why do you come up with this kind of crap???

How about a poll if Elway could find the foutain of youth, would you want him to be the Broncos QB forever? Get a freekin life already, you have become nothing but a damn joke around here.

Los Broncos
01-10-2010, 01:39 AM
For a 2nd rounder, yes and more yes.