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Bronco Boy
01-09-2010, 06:18 AM
The deal is done, apparently. Strange move by him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4810861

Atwater His Ass
01-09-2010, 06:39 AM
makes no sense to me from carroll's standpoint.

Rohirrim
01-09-2010, 06:45 AM
I'm pretty sure Paul Allen made him an offer he couldn't refuse. Or that his wife wouldn't let him refuse. Ha!

ColoradoDarin
01-09-2010, 06:45 AM
I bet USC is going to get sanctions....

Cool Breeze
01-09-2010, 06:46 AM
Not strange and makes sense. USC is about to be put on probation and lose scholarships - abandon ship!
Did you guys read the blog that followed the story?

Is Carroll headed to Seahawks? (http://www.orangemane.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/6939/is-carroll-headed-to-seattle)

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By Ted Miller


ESPN's Chris Mortensen is reporting mutual interest between USC coach Pete Carroll and the (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4808557)Seattle Seahawks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sea), which fired coach Jim Mora Friday.

This paragraph is telling:

Carroll did not return messages, but a league source said Carroll is interested in the job and is trying to persuade USC offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates to join him in Seattle -- as opposed to Bates pursuing the same position with the Chicago Bears (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=chi).
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<CITE>Jesse Beals/Icon SMI</CITE>Pete Carroll, shown here with offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates, has entered another round of NFL coaching speculation.



Why would Carroll leave USC for Seattle, a franchise that has been sagging since a Super Bowl appearance in 2006?

Couple of reasons.

For one, money.

The Seahawks are rich. Their owner, billionaire Paul Allen, is one of the richest men in the world. If the Seahawks covet Carroll, they can open the bank vault for him, which means they can easily beat the $4.4 million Carroll makes annually at USC.

Moreover, Carroll may be ready to exit USC.

You may have heard this, but USC didn't have a good season, based on its recent stratospheric standards. The Trojans finished 9-4 and out of the top 10 for the first time since 2002. For the first time since 2003, USC won't be the Pac-10's preseason favorite next fall.

Even more important: The NCAA's case against Reggie Bush (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9588) might be coming to a head (http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/6632/does-this-mean-eventual-closure-for-bush-usc-case). With Bush losing his attempt (http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/usc/la-sp-usc-reggie-bush29-2009dec29,0,1337276.story) to force confidential arbitration to settle a lawsuit filed by a would-be sports agent who allegedly gave Bush cash and gifts while he played for USC, testimony for the case will be made public. Testimony that the NCAA could use to sanction the football program.

So maybe the timing is right?

Also, it's always been one of Carroll's sore spots that folks believe he was a failure in the NFL. When a reporter asks him why he's been so successful in college when he wasn't as an NFL head coach, he always quibbles with the premise. He was 33-31 in four seasons -- one with the New York Jets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyj) and three with the New England Patriots (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nwe) -- and he made the playoffs twice, he'll tell you.

The general feeling long has been that Carroll wanted to eventually re-write his NFL legacy.

On the other hand, he's become entrenched at USC and in Southern California. His charity work, particularly A Better LA (http://www.abetterla.org/), is obviously regionally specific. As a personality, he's much more So-Cal than Northwest.

USC fans may be rolling their eyes at all of this. It's not like this hasn't been the story just about every post-season (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2255829)since 2003.

And Carroll has more than once said he doesn't want to go back to the NFL, consider this quote given to the Miami Herald in 2005 when asked if he wanted another crack at the NFL.

"No," he says. 'I'm a professional college coach. I think the NFL's a wonderful place, man. I love it. The competition at the top you can possibly reach, all the resources and backing. It was awesome to be in that arena. But this is an extraordinary fit for me. I couldn't be happier where I am. I'm having so much fun.''

By the way, this is an excellent source (http://www.fanblogs.com/usc/007423.php)for all the different NFL coaching rumors and stories that have dogged Carroll during his USC career.

It also is fair to ask the question from another perspective: Why would an NFL team want Carroll?

The root of Carroll's success at USC is superior recruiting. That's about charm and salesmanship, two skills with almost zero value in the NFL.

While Carroll has always been a respected Xs and Os guy, his defense floundered the second half of the 2009 season and he seemed to get outflanked by opposing offensive coaches. Moreover, it's reasonable to question a number of his assistant coach hires, including offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates, who seemed like a bad fit with the Trojans.

To go back the NFL, Carroll likely will demand a fairly substantial level of control over staffing and personnel decisions.

So a franchise would have to surrender a lot of money and a lot of control. Recall that the Seahawks once yanked that sort of control away from Mike Holmgren.

But the undercurrent feels stronger here than in the past, particularly on the Carroll side of things. Again, Carroll might feel this is his best opportunity to land a good NFL head coach job.

So let this one play out.

And, if Carroll goes, let's entertain the next topic: Who would replace him at USC?

Oregon State's Mike Riley? TCU's Gary Patterson? Stanford's Jim Harbaugh (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=27)? An NFL guy?

We shall see.

Rohirrim
01-09-2010, 06:58 AM
USC should make an offer to Jon Gruden.

KS Bronco
01-09-2010, 07:25 AM
I bet USC is going to get sanctions....

yeah, i wouldnt be surprised if they got in trouble again. it seems like every couple years, they are caught doing something. a few years back it was reggie bush, recently oj mayo. carrol probably figures to get out before he gets in any more trouble.

OrangeShadow
01-09-2010, 07:28 AM
I bet USC is going to get sanctions....

ding ding ding

Kid A
01-09-2010, 09:00 AM
Why would he go?

-Rumors of sanctions against SC.

-$7 million a year (highest anyone in college is getting right now is just over $5 million)

-Seahawks are giving him a lot of control (they have no GM currently, and he'll likely have similar power to what Shanny got in DC), plus it's a west coast team which has to hold a lot of appeal to him.

-He's done it all in college, and he probably gets tired of hearing people say he was a failure in the pros (record shows he was above .500 and made the playoffs a couple times).

There are some college coaches who should just stick to college. Saban, Petrino, etc seem to be an example of that. I'm not sold Carroll will have much success at the NFL level, but I can see how the move makes sense for him.

What I cannot understand is what the Seahawks are thinking. Throwing that much power and money at a fairly unproven NFL commodity? When we've seen the recent history of NCAA coaches in the NFL? Sure he has NFL experience, but his paycheck suggests that they are largely hiring him on the merits of his work at USC. Which is bizarre because the factors to running a successful college program are wildly different to running an NFL franchise.

missingnumber7
01-09-2010, 09:02 AM
yeah, i wouldnt be surprised if they got in trouble again. it seems like every couple years, they are caught doing something. a few years back it was reggie bush, recently oj mayo. carrol probably figures to get out before he gets in any more trouble.

Mayo was basketball bush was football...completely different sanctions coming down.


I think he leaves because really what does he have left to accomplish at USC?

epicSocialism4tw
01-09-2010, 09:06 AM
yeah, i wouldnt be surprised if they got in trouble again. it seems like every couple years, they are caught doing something. a few years back it was reggie bush, recently oj mayo. carrol probably figures to get out before he gets in any more trouble.

I dont believe that U$C ever got in trouble for paying Reggie Bush.

Bronco Boy
01-09-2010, 09:07 AM
What I cannot understand is what the Seahawks are thinking. Throwing that much power and money at a fairly unproven NFL commodity? When we've seen the recent history of NCAA coaches in the NFL? Sure he has NFL experience, but his paycheck suggests that they are largely hiring him on the merits of his work at USC. Which is bizarre because the factors to running a successful college program are wildly different to running an NFL franchise.

Fair enough, but they have the money to spend and its an organization that desperately needs to make a big statement that things are going to turn around. Good way to do that is to hire a big famous head coach.

Pontius Pirate
01-09-2010, 09:25 AM
Seahawks still need to comply with the token I mean rooney rule

worm
01-09-2010, 09:30 AM
It must be nice for Jeremy to feel wanted....in at least two places.

Pony Boy
01-09-2010, 09:31 AM
Let me be the first to say it..... Stoops to USC..... It's thrown out there every time

worm
01-09-2010, 09:32 AM
Seahawks still need to comply with the token I mean rooney rule

The Rooney rule is the biggest token bs out there. The letter of the law might be complied with...but the spirit is being blatantly ignored.

Killericon
01-09-2010, 09:32 AM
Seahawks still need to comply with the token I mean rooney rule

They have arranged to talk with Lezlie Frazier.

azbroncfan
01-09-2010, 09:38 AM
Seahawks still need to comply with the token I mean rooney rule

They have already invited Leslie Fraizer. Paging Dennis Green or Herm Edwards please come over.

azbroncfan
01-09-2010, 09:39 AM
There are some college coaches who should just stick to college. Saban, Petrino, etc seem to be an example of that. I'm not sold Carroll will have much success at the NFL level, but I can see how the move makes sense for him.

What I cannot understand is what the Seahawks are thinking. Throwing that much power and money at a fairly unproven NFL commodity? When we've seen the recent history of NCAA coaches in the NFL? Sure he has NFL experience, but his paycheck suggests that they are largely hiring him on the merits of his work at USC. Which is bizarre because the factors to running a successful college program are wildly different to running an NFL franchise.

Carroll coached twice in the NFL before College and had a respectable record.

broncocalijohn
01-09-2010, 09:41 AM
I dont believe that U$C ever got in trouble for paying Reggie Bush.

that is because USC never paid Bush. Outside agent crap. Bush gets in trouble, he is putting USC at risk for those sanctions. It is those ME ME type guys that ruin college programs.

bpc
01-09-2010, 09:44 AM
This is just Carroll taking on the challenge he could never win at, and a fat payday.

Worst case scenario is he gets run out eventually, gets all that 35 million, and is thrown another huge payday but some college team down the road.

Kid A
01-09-2010, 09:46 AM
Carroll coached twice in the NFL before College and had a respectable record.

I mentioned that. He made the playoffs twice. He definitely makes more sense that someone like Stoops who has zero NFL head coaching experience.

Still, a record just above .500 and getting fired twice usually isn't criteria for becoming one of the best paid in the league and getting nearly full control of personnel decisions. The Seahawks are throwing everything at his feet because of his success at USC and the name he has made for himself in the college game.

missingnumber7
01-09-2010, 11:27 AM
They have arranged to talk with Lezlie Frazier.

Word is that Frazier said thanks, but no thanks.

HAT
01-09-2010, 12:01 PM
This is just Carroll taking on the challenge he could never win at


33-31 is hardly 'never winning at'.

SoCalBronco
01-09-2010, 01:06 PM
Excellent news. :)

Now all the juniors need to declare.

Taco John
01-09-2010, 04:44 PM
I personally think this is a great situation for Carroll. It will be interesting to see this unfold.

TexanBob
01-09-2010, 05:52 PM
I bet USC is going to get sanctions....

The only way this makes sense is if Carroll is leaving USC just ahead of the probation that will be coming.

uplink
01-09-2010, 08:41 PM
Carrol will again be a looser at the NFL level.

Wondering, is Rivera Hispanic and does he count as interviewing a miniority candidate per the Rooney rule?

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rastaman
01-09-2010, 09:24 PM
Mayo was basketball bush was football...completely different sanctions coming down.


I think he leaves because really what does he have left to accomplish at USC?

He's leaving b/c he's tired of dealing with the communist NCAA's rules committee. Why waste his time trying to abide by the ridiculous rules set forth by the NCAA.

brncs_fan
01-09-2010, 10:03 PM
Good news for the Notre Fans!

ZONA
01-10-2010, 12:41 AM
Wow, this may already have an impact on recruits. Highly touted Marquis Flowers chose Univ of Arizona today over USC.

BroncoBuff
01-10-2010, 01:47 AM
makes no sense to me from carroll's standpoint.

Seattle has advantages over Los Angeles, I can tell you that.

Btw, the reason the Seahawks staggered the firing and hiring announcements was because Carroll was set to work as an analyst for the BCS title game with ESPN, so they waited a day.

Jim Mora, what a horrible fall ... head coach in waiting a year for his "dream job," and he's gone this fast? Poor bastard.

Natedog24
01-10-2010, 01:54 AM
Seattle has advantages over Los Angeles, I can tell you that.

Btw, the reason the Seahawks staggered the firing and hiring announcements was because Carroll was set to work as an analyst for the BCS title game with ESPN, so they waited a day.

Jim Mora, what a horrible fall ... head coach in waiting a year for his "dream job," and he's gone this fast? Poor bastard.

Right city, wrong dream job. Unfortunately for Mora, I don't see Sark leaving the UW job anytime soon, unless USC steps in (which would make for one crazy coaching shuffle).

Vladimir
01-10-2010, 06:33 AM
I will be very interested to see if he works out...

Being that my fav ncaa team is in the Pac 10 (Oregon) I am glad to see him going to the NFL :wave::yayaya:

Kaylore
01-10-2010, 07:54 AM
yeah, i wouldnt be surprised if they got in trouble again. it seems like every couple years, they are caught doing something. a few years back it was reggie bush, recently oj mayo. carrol probably figures to get out before he gets in any more trouble.

This.

HAT
01-02-2011, 10:55 PM
Congrats Pete!

:strong:

Pick Six
01-02-2011, 10:57 PM
Congrats Pete!

:strong:

The team is 7-9, but it's still enough to win the division. Ultimately, you need to get into the playoffs to even have a CHANCE to be champions. We'll see what happens...

bowtown
01-02-2011, 10:58 PM
Congrats Pete!

:strong:

First coach to take a team to the playoffs with a losing record. Bang up job Petty.

HAT
01-02-2011, 11:03 PM
First coach to take a team to the playoffs with a losing record. Bang up job Petty.

That's what I'm talking about....The man came back to the league after a significant absence and did something that nobody else has done! ROFL!

I wish he would've stayed at USC for 1 more year and was available to interview with Denver tomorrow.

loborugger
01-02-2011, 11:05 PM
Congrats Pete!

:strong:

Left USC in ruins and led the Seahawks to a 7 & 9 season. Reserve the dudes spot in Canton.

SoCalBronco
01-02-2011, 11:05 PM
7-9 is not impressive, but since his son is on our staff now, I guess I'll leave Pete alone for awhile.

HAT
01-02-2011, 11:08 PM
Left USC in ruins and led the Seahawks to a 7 & 9 season. Reserve the dudes spot in Canton.

Took USC to the top and made the playoffs in his first year back in the NFL.

****ing pessimists! ^5

loborugger
01-02-2011, 11:34 PM
Took USC to the top and made the playoffs in his first year back in the NFL.

****ing pessimists! ^5

Under his watch USC did stuff that now leaves the program in ashes. Now, his team is the first team to make the play offs in the NFL with a losing record. You can pat him on the back, I will pass.

Bronco Boy
01-05-2011, 04:57 PM
They do seem to be headed in the right direction. Carroll resurrected Mike Williams from the grave and had some pretty solid draft picks in Earl Thomas and Okung. They could really use a QB though.

Borks147
01-05-2011, 05:23 PM
They do seem to be headed in the right direction. Carroll resurrected Mike Williams from the grave and had some pretty solid draft picks in Earl Thomas and Okung. They could really use a QB though.

Orton for Earl Thomas; this will bring balance to the force.

I'm joking of course....

tsiguy96
01-05-2011, 05:34 PM
all their losses by 15+ pts. look for saints to pile it on.

maven
01-05-2011, 05:41 PM
They do seem to be headed in the right direction. Carroll resurrected Mike Williams from the grave and had some pretty solid draft picks in Earl Thomas and Okung. They could really use a QB though.

Whitehurst should start the playoff game and be the starter next year. Hey, they made the playoffs and are hosting a game. I think that's an accomplishment. They won games and won enough.

epicSocialism4tw
01-05-2011, 05:43 PM
Whitehurst should start the playoff game and be the starter next year. Hey, they made the playoffs and are hosting a game. I think that's an accomplishment. They won games and won enough.

They backed into the playoffs in a more pathetic fashion than the Chiefs could even manage.

KipCorrington25
01-05-2011, 06:49 PM
We know they suck we worked them over.

HAT
01-08-2011, 08:49 PM
'Atta boy Petey! Keep fighting the good fight.

Timing is a bitch sometime.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2011, 08:59 PM
'Atta boy Petey! Keep fighting the good fight.

Timing is a b**** sometime.

He's allowed to pay these players, so its all good.

Agamemnon
01-08-2011, 09:04 PM
all their losses by 15+ pts. look for saints to pile it on.

Apparently not...

Pony Boy
01-08-2011, 09:20 PM
Where are all the posters that say "old guys can't coach in this league" itís good to see Pete prove them wrong.

R8R H8R
01-08-2011, 09:24 PM
Say what you want about Pete Carrol, but he does get his teams ready for the big games.

Kaylore
01-08-2011, 09:49 PM
Say what you want about Pete Carrol, but he does get his teams ready for the big games.

Two bad teams won their divisions and some say "fraud-ed" their way into the playoffs. Get ready to see the difference between real playoff teams and the Chiefs tomorrow.

bronco militia
01-08-2011, 10:03 PM
Where are all the posters that say "old guys can't coach in this league" itís good to see Pete prove them wrong.

who cares about old farts....pete carroll has always come off as a shady used car salesman

TomServo
01-09-2011, 12:59 AM
Two bad teams won their divisions and some say "fraud-ed" their way into the playoffs. Get ready to see the difference between real playoff teams and the Chiefs tomorrow.

and the seahawks go on. and our MCd crappy team watches. our crappy team couldnt win the afc west.
O yay we have our pride with Mcd. we won 3 games this year with our McD pride.
all those chumps that made the playoffs cant measuer up to McD.

bowtown
01-09-2011, 07:55 AM
and the seahawks go on. and our MCd crappy team watches. our crappy team couldnt win the afc west.
O yay we have our pride with Mcd. we won 3 games this year with our McD pride.
all those chumps that made the playoffs cant measuer up to McD.

Hey, welcome to 2011. We fired McD last year. There is new Bronco's news to talk about. You should give it a try.

Pony Boy
01-09-2011, 08:14 AM
who cares about old farts....pete carroll has always come off as a shady used car salesman

Every time a HC candidate comes up that's around 60 posters start yelling he's too old. It's nice to see an old coach spank one of the young one's and send them home.

gunns
01-09-2011, 08:30 AM
Impressive win by the Seahawks last night, but they did play at home, against a team with injuries whose defense hadn't done much all year, except for one player who was out. I'll hold my accolades for Carroll till next year to see if he can coach them to a winning season (except I did like their draft this year). All I could think last night was hell, we beat these guys.

loborugger
01-09-2011, 09:13 AM
The accolades for yesterday's Seahawk victory belong more to Hasselback. Dude looked like a HOFer out there yesterday. Throw in the fact that NO was beat up and played like they figured that being the SB champs meant Seattle was gonna lay down for them. That run by Lynch wasnt so damn inspired on Seattle's side as it was dismal on the Saints side. Dude broke 6 tackles.