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80smith
01-08-2010, 06:39 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/227222-what-is-a-franchise-quarterback-exactly

Franchise quarterback. You hear it all the time, you can't look up a team without finding articles about getting a "franchise quarterback."

It's everywhere. "This team found it's franchise QB. This team needs a franchise QB." You can't escape it.

But what is a franchise quarterback?

It's odd that you see a word tossed around so much, but no one knows the exact meaning. Everyone talks about who is a franchise QB, but not what is a franchise QB is. You can't label a franchise QB unless you know what it is.

After research about people who are labeled as "franchise quarterbacks" and those who aren't considered as such.

The player must match certain criteria to be considered a franchise quarterback: consistency, talent, leadership/maturity, and football intelligence.

Up-and-Coming Franchise Quarterbacks

Matt Ryan—Atlanta Falcons- All criteria, needs another year

Joe Flacco—Baltimore Ravens- All criteria, needs another year

Matt Cassel—Kansas City Chiefs- All criteria, needs another year

Jay Cutler—Chicago Bears- All criteria, new team

Kyle Orton—Denver Broncos- All criteria, new team

Carson Palmer—Cincinnati Bengals- Needs to stay healthy

Trent Edwards—Buffalo Bills- Needs consistency

Jason Campbell—Washington Redskins- Needs consistency

David Garrard—Jacksonville Jaguars- Needs consistency

Matt Schaub—Houston Texans- Needs to stay healthy

Kerry Collins—Tennessee Titans- Needs consistency

Matt Hasselbeck—Seattle Seahawks- Needs consistency/stay healthy


I do not know if the bleacher report is worth reading, but I found this interesting. Please discuss.

KipCorrington25
01-08-2010, 07:44 PM
Hilarious!

worm
01-08-2010, 07:51 PM
Kerry Collins...among others...is 'up and coming'?

The dude can apply for social security in 3 years.

houghtam
01-08-2010, 07:51 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/227222-what-is-a-franchise-quarterback-exactly

Franchise quarterback. You hear it all the time, you can't look up a team without finding articles about getting a "franchise quarterback."

It's everywhere. "This team found it's franchise QB. This team needs a franchise QB." You can't escape it.

But what is a franchise quarterback?

It's odd that you see a word tossed around so much, but no one knows the exact meaning. Everyone talks about who is a franchise QB, but not what is a franchise QB is. You can't label a franchise QB unless you know what it is.

After research about people who are labeled as "franchise quarterbacks" and those who aren't considered as such.

The player must match certain criteria to be considered a franchise quarterback: consistency, talent, leadership/maturity, and football intelligence.

Jay Cutler—Chicago Bears- All criteria, new team

Kyle Orton—Denver Broncos- All criteria, new team



Since I'm sure these are the two everyone is going to be talking about...I don't think either has the criteria, in my opinion.

Cutler lacks consistency and leadership/maturity.

Orton lacks consistency and talent.

Neither are a franchise QB.

watermock
01-08-2010, 07:57 PM
WTF?

Franchise QB's?

Tom Brady
Peton Manning
Drew Beees
Phillip Rivers
Brett Favor
Rodgers
Kurt Warner

maher_tyler
01-08-2010, 07:59 PM
Since I'm sure these are the two everyone is going to be talking about...I don't think either has the criteria, in my opinion.

Cutler lacks consistency and leadership/maturity.

Orton lacks consistency and talent.

Neither are a franchise QB.

This.

maher_tyler
01-08-2010, 08:00 PM
WTF?

Franchise QB's?

Tom Brady
Peton Manning
Drew Beees
Phillip Rivers
Brett Favor
Rodgers
Kurt Warner

Eli and Rothlesberger??

80smith
01-08-2010, 08:03 PM
Eli and Rothlesberger??

I'm sooooo glad you did not say Rodgers cause I would love to have him as a QB.....

By the way, I would also take Rothlesberger in a heart beat.

yavoon
01-08-2010, 08:03 PM
it's a quarterback you can open up a mcdonalds with.

80smith
01-08-2010, 08:08 PM
Eli and Rothlesberger??

He is the 9th QB to win 2 super bowls in his 5 year career.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_names_of_all_winning_Super_Bowl_quart erbacks

watermock
01-08-2010, 08:08 PM
I forgot
Rothburger. He's a stud.

Eli, no.

Popps
01-08-2010, 08:10 PM
The article aside, "franchise quarterback" is probably one of the most loosely used and really flat out misused words in the NFL vernacular these days. When people start using it on a guy like Jay Cutler, the moniker has totally lost its meaning.

A franchise QB should be a guy that is the clear centerpiece of your offense and can undoubtedly win games for you on his own. In other words, the presence of said QB is good for several wins per season, just based on what he's able to accomplish.

Obviously, you need to see a few years of performance before calling someone a franchise QB. The stats have to be there, and by stats I mean.... wins. It's got nothing to do with yardage stats. (Though those generally accompany the scenario, to some extent.)

There are a lot of very talented QBs that I wouldn't call franchise QBs just yet. Aaron Rogers is one of them. Rivers, on the other hand... is absolutely one of them. But, that's just subjective opinion.

San Diego would be dog**** without Rivers. With him, they're a real playoff threat. THAT is a franchise QB. Not just some guy who flings the ball and puts up stats.

We're actually lucky as fans right now to be watching the game at a time where there are arguably 6-7 of these types playing. That's not always the case.

I'm also of the belief that you don't have to have a franchise QB to win it all, but of course... it sure helps.

watermock
01-08-2010, 08:11 PM
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Give me a break.

Hamrob
01-08-2010, 08:12 PM
It's a QB that you can trust your franchise with...due to Talent #1, Leadership Ability @2, Football IQ #3. During a player's first 5-6yrs I think you have to go off of their talent and potential Leadership and Football IQ. Once they have all three working for them...you end up with a Joe Montana, John Elway, Dan Marino, Troy Aikman, Brett Favre etc.

I definitely think Cutler fits the mold. Whether he is one...will be determined over the next couple of years.

I don't think that Orton has the talent and I'm not sure he has the leadership to go with it either. You can be a nice guy that everybody likes, but if you don't have the talent that instills confidence in your teammates....you're not going to lead them anywhere. I would classify Orton as a "Journeyman" QB. He's a guy who can manage an offense, not make mistakes and allow your other leaders to win games for you.

Popps
01-08-2010, 08:13 PM
Obviously... neither Cutler or Orton are franchise QBs. Both could wind up winning playoff games in some capacity, but neither are remotely close to being franchise QBs and probably never will be.

watermock
01-08-2010, 08:13 PM
Just shut up.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2010, 08:19 PM
It ain't Kyle Orton.

TheDave
01-08-2010, 08:24 PM
So if everyone agrees that KO isn't a "Franchise" QB then shouldn't we sell our soul this draft for one?

Bronx33
01-08-2010, 08:27 PM
So if everyone agrees that KO isn't a "Franchise" QB then shouldn't we sell our soul this draft for one?


Is there one/franchise QB in this draft?

maher_tyler
01-08-2010, 08:35 PM
Is there one/franchise QB in this draft?

Bradford...if his shoulder can stay healthy, i think he could be.

Popps
01-08-2010, 08:35 PM
So if everyone agrees that KO isn't a "Franchise" QB then shouldn't we sell our soul this draft for one?

I think trying to find one is always intelligent, obviously.

However, building up a team so that QB can step in and be effective is also intelligent. (Pittsburgh, New England, etc.)

TheDave
01-08-2010, 08:50 PM
Is there one/franchise QB in this draft?

Don't ask me... hell I thought Cutler was. I'm probably the worst person to ask about QB's ;D

I think trying to find one is always intelligent, obviously.

However, building up a team so that QB can step in and be effective is also intelligent. (Pittsburgh, New England, etc.)

I understand what you are saying but any QB coming out of college is going to take 2-3 years to mature. A lot of building can go on during that time. You hate to have a team all in place only to piss away your window waiting for Elway Jr. to get his feet under him.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2010, 08:50 PM
So if everyone agrees that KO isn't a "Franchise" QB then shouldn't we sell our soul this draft for one?

I think that the cost is too high this year. Bradford will be gone and so will Clausen. However, I would love to see us pick up Colt McCoy or another player like him in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.

What's really disappointing is that McD's offense has set the team back. We dont know what we have and what we dont have. If Bradford happened to magically be there, I would be ticked if McD passed him up and drafted a TE or some such stupidity (with the way that McD and his staff handled the last offseason and draft, I wouldnt doubt it). However, I'm hoping that the Broncos spend this offseason taking seriously the job of controlling the line of scrimmage.

Houshyamama
01-08-2010, 08:54 PM
IF we had one you wouldn't have to ask

TheDave
01-08-2010, 08:55 PM
I think that the cost is too high this year. Bradford will be gone and so will Clausen. However, I would love to see us pick up Colt McCoy or another player like him in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.

What's really disappointing is that McD's offense has set the team back. We dont know what we have and what we dont have. If Bradford happened to magically be there, I would be ticked if McD passed him up and drafted a TE or some such stupidity (with the way that McD and his staff handled the last offseason and draft, I wouldnt doubt it). However, I'm hoping that the Broncos spend this offseason taking seriously the job of controlling the line of scrimmage.

Yeah I'd be nervous about both Bradford and Clausen... But if McKidd thinks one of them are special then pull the trigger. After that it's all about fatties for both lines.

Taco John
01-08-2010, 08:58 PM
To me the term "franchise quarterback" is simple. It's a quarterback who you feel that you can build a franchise around in any given situation. He's a guy that you feel that you can bring in, start giving him tools, and build a successful franchise.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2010, 09:20 PM
To me the term "franchise quarterback" is simple. It's a quarterback who you feel that you can build a franchise around in any given situation. He's a guy that you feel that you can bring in, start giving him tools, and build a successful franchise.

To me, a franchise QB is a guy who can consistently win you games. Not a guy who can hang on and allow your run game and defense to win the game for you, but a guy who can put a franchise on his back and execute to win games.

Its odd that someone from Denver would not understand what a franchise QB is, because Elway was the ultimate.

watermock
01-08-2010, 09:26 PM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/cory_mccartney/04/10/rebels-snead/jevan-snead_p1.jpg

As a high school senior at Stephenville (Texas), Jevan Snead watched as future Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford and his Highland Park squad snatched away the Class 4A state semifinals win, 41-38. After losing that final high school game, Snead committed to Florida in 2005, but pulled his commitment when the Gators pursued another QB, Tim Tebow. Snead subsequently headed to Texas, where he spent most of his freshman season riding the bench before deciding to transfer, all while Colt McCoy entrenched himself as the Longhorns' quarterback of the future.

Early on, Snead made an inadvertent habit of landing in the same orbit as contemporaries who would turn into household names while he got lost in their shadows. Now, the stars have aligned for the Ole Miss junior, who is generating Heisman buzz and whose team will enter the 2009 season as a trendy pick in the SEC West after a 9-4 2008 campaign that included wins over eventual national champion Florida (the Gators' only loss), 2007 defending champ LSU and Big 12 South hopeful Texas Tech in the Cotton Bowl.

But Snead isn't the type to get too worked up, even when fans and analysts are heaping praise upon him and his Rebels, who many believe could begin the season in the top 10. "I believe that we can't pay too much attention to those preseason polls because nobody had us picked up at the beginning of last year," the 6-foot-3, 215-pounder said. "So really it's the postseason polls that you're worried about."

That's the kind of level-headed outlook those around Snead have come to expect. Coach Houston Nutt lauds Snead for his ability to act as a humble and quiet leader who carries himself the same way, no matter what is going on around him. Take last season. When Snead threw 11 interceptions in his first eight games last year, he was the same old Jevan. When he turned it around and threw for 779 yards and nine touchdowns in the final three games, his demeanor didn't change. Snead knew he had to maintain perspective, had to shake off the rust that had settled since he appeared in five games as a Texas freshman in 2006.

"I think part of [my slow start] was due to my lack of experience," he said. "You have to grow as a quarterback and you should be playing better at the end of the season."

That's precisely what quarterback -- and team -- did last season.

After beating the Gators 31-30 in Gainesville, the Rebels landed on the Sports Illustrated cover for the first time since Sept. 14, 1970, when Archie Manning was the face of the team. Though they followed that thrilling upset with narrow losses to South Carolina and at Alabama, they haven't lost since, ending the year on a six-game winning streak that culminated with a 47-34 win over the Red Raiders.

Now, a program that until last season hadn't won an SEC game since Nov. 25, 2006 and that last played in a bowl game in 2003, has everyone clamoring to see what it'll do when the spotlight is on. It's a markedly different way to begin a season, but Nutt is making sure his players don't forget just how far they came in his first year.

"'Before last year you hadn't won an SEC game so there was very little respect for you,'" Nutt said he told his players. "'Now you can't sneak into the Swamp, you can't sneak into Death Valley and beat an LSU or a Florida. You're on the radar and how hard are you working?' That's kind of been the theme: How hard are you working?"

The Rebels may not be able to sneak up on teams anymore, but considering the cast of playmakers -- and the schedule -- at Nutt's disposal, they won't need to rely on the element of surprise. The Rebels return 17 of 22 starters, including Snead, who finished the season with 2,762 passing yards and 26 TDs, wide receiver/running back Dexter McCluster (1,280 total yards and seven scores), receiver Shay Hodge (44 receptions for 725 yards and eight TDs), their top five rushers and sack master Greg Hardy, who headlines a line that should be among the best in the SEC, if not the nation.

Ole Miss will also benefit from a schedule that includes two FCS schools (Southeastern Louisiana and Northern Arizona), UAB and Memphis and home matchups against its toughest opponents, Alabama, Tennessee and LSU. And, of course, there's no Florida.

Still, questions remain, including the biggest of all: Who will protect Snead's blindside? "The biggest concern when we go to bed every night is the left side [of the offensive line]," Nutt said.

Redshirt sophomore Rishaw Johnson, who appeared in five games last year, redshirt freshman Bradley Sowell and junior college transfer Logan Clair are vying to replace departed All-America left tackle Michael Oher and left guard Darryl Harris. That lack of experience means the incoming class of freshman will fill most of the No. 2 spots on the depth chart. "As good as they recruited years past on the defensive line, it's the exact opposite on the offensive line, there's no depth," Nutt said.

But that glaring hole in the Rebels' roster won't dampen expectations, especially those surrounding Snead, who has already done what Ethan Flatt, Micheal Spurlock, Brent Schaeffer, Robert Lane and Seth Adams couldn't: revive a position that has been ordinary since Eli Manning had them doing the Hotty Toddy chant.

The Mannings invited Snead to coach high schoolers at the Manning Passing Academy in Thibodaux, La., and Snead accepted, using the opportunity to learn from Ole Miss' First Family of Quarterbacks, Eli and Archie.

"They stress how much hard work it takes to be quarterback on a winning team, just how much hard work it takes and how much time it takes to be great and accomplish what you want to accomplish," Snead said. "That's one thing they stressed and I took from it. There's always more work that can be done and you can always improve."

This spring, Snead's decision-making and understanding of the offense have improved most of all, Nutt said. So much so, in fact, that Nutt's giving Snead more freedom to change plays prior to the snap to exploit defenses. "We put a lot on the quarterback and he's really handled it," Nutt said.

The way Snead has handled Ole Miss' offense has helped invigorate a program that had won just 14 games between its SEC West co-championship run in '03 and last season. During that time at the Grove, the 10 acre stretch of oak and magnolia the Rebel faithful call home, the claim that "We may have lost a game, but we'll never lose a party" summed up the level of interest in what was going on inside the stadium. Now, fans have good reason to view football as more than a distraction.

"We're excited but we're also cautious," Nutt said. "That's what we try to put in our guys, that we have to play at a very high level, because there are a lot of eyes on you and people are going to play you much harder this year."



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80smith
01-08-2010, 09:35 PM
To me, a franchise QB is a guy who can consistently win you games. Not a guy who can hang on and allow your run game and defense to win the game for you, but a guy who can put a franchise on his back and execute to win games.

Its odd that someone from Denver would not understand what a franchise QB is, because Elway was the ultimate.

Interesting!

Pony Boy
01-08-2010, 10:29 PM
This is what a young "Franchise QB" looks like .....

broncocalijohn
01-08-2010, 10:33 PM
To me a franchise quarterback is one that can make the team be successful or ruin a team. Elway was by far one of the biggest "franchise" Qbs. He changed everything right for this team and city. He built it up for years and we have millions of fans outside of the Rocky Mountain region because of #7. Those "FQ" can ruin you too. It took years for the Chargers to overcome the suckyness of Leaf. It ruined that franchise for a few years longer. Not sure if it will happen to Chicago, but they gave up a lot to get Cutler as a Bear. Draft picks and Cashe.

Hamrob
01-08-2010, 10:44 PM
Cutler will have a much better season next year and despite his topsy turvey season...he finished up with 8td's and 1int in his last 2 games. I think the Bears will ultimately be happy with the QB they traded for. Who they sign as the OC will be crucial....b/c Cutler needs further coaching that Lovie can't provide.

Peyton Manning is the closest thing to a franchise QB in the NFL. Supreme Talent, Strong Leadership and Superior Football IQ. You draft for immediate talent and future potential.

Popps
01-08-2010, 10:45 PM
To me, a franchise QB is a guy who can consistently win you games. Not a guy who can hang on and allow your run game and defense to win the game for you, but a guy who can put a franchise on his back and execute to win games.

Its odd that someone from Denver would not understand what a franchise QB is, because Elway was the ultimate.

But of course, Elway still needed a defense and a running game to win a SB.

Inkana7
01-08-2010, 10:52 PM
Mock, you say no to Eli and then promote Jevan ****ing Snead?

Snead sucks.

NFLBRONCO
01-08-2010, 11:00 PM
Yeah I'd be nervous about both Bradford and Clausen... But if McKidd thinks one of them are special then pull the trigger. After that it's all about fatties for both lines.

I agree about the lines but, what's your view on adding speed to O. I think Denver needs to add 2 speedy guys.

TheDave
01-08-2010, 11:07 PM
I agree about the lines but, what's your view on adding speed to O. I think Denver needs to add 2 speedy guys.

At RB... Wes I agree. Someone like a CJ Spiller would be a perfect compliment to Moreno.

But at WR I don't see the need. Orton struggles with under throwing our current crop of guys I think a speedster on the outside would just exacerbate the problem.

Hulamau
01-08-2010, 11:34 PM
Is there one/franchise QB in this draft?

Thats the 64 million dollar question. I agree Kyle isn't yet a franchise QB and may never strictly earn that title but I DO think he can't play a lot better. He has shown improvement in each of his years and while he does not have the stuff to put a floundering team on his back and carry them to victory .... at least not yet .... he did show in the first six games he can win against top competition when the o-line is intact and the D is playing sound football for four quarters.

Those first six games were his first with an all new team and system and he had a broken throwing finger for the most part as well.

What Kyle isn't so suited for yet is the desperate come back from multiple TDs back. Though in all fairness, he did a pretty damn good job of almost doing just that in both the Indy and Eagles games on the road only falling a little short mostly due to defensive collapses at the end.

The few non-plays in each of those close losses that were on Orton are the kind he can correct with more experience and better line play.

Its hard to underestimate the impact that our total fail in the run blocking game the last half of the year had on Orton and the defense as well.

In re-watching the entire season carefully in my year-end review, Orton made a hell of a lot more good decisions than he did bad ones. But by the bye week, opposing teams had figured out one of our structural weaknesses and that was the mis-match of having to use a hybrid power and zone blocking system because we didn't have the Oline players to pull off a consistent power line.

Also, we were a lot better at executing the zone run blocking part when Hamilton and Harris were in there. But Hamilton and Weigman were getting owned in the power run game and in handling the bull rush when switching to the New England pass protection schemes.

And Hochstein isn't quick enough at all for our zone blocking plays and it wasn't Polumbus' forte either.

The reality is, only a handful of QBs can give you a chance to win consistently when the o-line and run game has major issues. Kyle isn't one of them. He's a gamer, but needs more help.

Nevertheless, inspite of the frustrating end to this season the truth is we were no more than one to three plays away from winning at least 5 more of those games.

If we can find or develop a true 'franchise' QB, by all means go for it Josh, but given another offseaon of work with Josh and the offense and an improved o-line with a more consistent run game and a defense not so prone to late game let downs as we were the last 9 games or so, Orton has enough talent and smarts to take us deep in the playoffs.

A few big 'IFs', no doubt, but that will be the focus in this offseason for McD. I suspect Josh will do everything he can to bring in or draft and continue developing Brandstater in hopes of creating a true franchise QB that can win games when all hell breaks loose. But in the meantime, we can could do a lot worse than Kyle.

watermock
01-09-2010, 06:40 AM
It's like porn. You know it when you see it.

Cutler was like Japanese porn...kinda blurry where the dirty was happenin.

rastaman
01-09-2010, 06:54 AM
I notice one of you excuses here is to blame the OL. Part of the OL's problems were due to McD and Orton's inability to fully and consistently execute a passing attack and consistentcy to stop teams from putting 8 in the box to shut down the running attack and daring McD and Orton to beat team over the top. In other words during the 4 game losing streak McD's offensive scheme became predictable and Kyle Orton was holding on to the ball too long and not hitting recevers when they were open or many times he threw the ball away. Now Orton may not have thrown many intercep. but he also didn't throw many TD passes as well. One could argue that McD's inabilty to call an effective game plan and Ortons inability to make teams pay when they stacked he LOS with 8 in the box caused the offense to sputter and punt and the defense eventually wore down and teams begun to score 17 to 20 points in the 2nd halfs. So Defense eventually lost confidence in the Offense to protect them and keep them off the field. Also, the offensive line in 09 wasn' built to run the rushig schemes McD was trying to force down their throats. This proved McD was stubbornly determined to force his system vs using a system that best suited the talent he currently had.

Lets see how McD adjust in 2010 and learns from his bone headed mistakes he made from 2009.

rastaman
01-09-2010, 06:58 AM
It's like porn. You know it when you see it.

Cutler was like Japanese porn...kinda blurry where the dirty was happenin.

What type of porn did Orton display in 2009? I think he was the ultimate tease and had partaken in a lot of 1900's type of porn which had a lot of missionary style F*@king and no imagination whatsoever.:sunshine:

WolfpackGuy
01-09-2010, 08:05 AM
A franchise quarterback is someone who will be on your team for 10-15 years that you can build the team around.

So basically the opposite of Orton.

Northman
01-09-2010, 08:19 AM
Cutler is not consistent (unless you want to talk about turning the ball over) and he is far from mature.

elsid13
01-09-2010, 08:21 AM
is there one/franchise qb in this draft?

no

Right now the kids with potential franchise QB status in NCAA are

Andrew Luck - Stanford - Matt Ryan with better arm
Jake Locker - Washington - Steve Young part 2
Ryan Mallet - Arkansas -

rastaman
01-09-2010, 09:38 AM
Cutler is not consistent (unless you want to talk about turning the ball over) and he is far from mature.

I'll hedge my bets and predict tha Cutler will make you eat those words.....you watch and see.:~ohyah!:

Northman
01-09-2010, 09:51 AM
I'll hedge my bets and predict tha Cutler will make you eat those words.....you watch and see.:~ohyah!:

Yea, i heard that was going to happen this year. :welcome:

Pony Boy
01-09-2010, 10:50 AM
I'll hedge my bets and predict tha Cutler will make you eat those words.....you watch and see.:~ohyah!:

Ah yes, Bromance is in the air .....

barryr
01-09-2010, 12:28 PM
Franchise QB stuff is all nonsense. The QB's who are concidered such typically just happen to be on great teams too.

As for QB's in this coming draft, I believe the best QB will end up being Dan Lefevour. I have seem him play a few times and to me, he's has a lot going for him.

He has the size, enough arm to make all the throws(not the rocket some believe you have to have to be a franchise QB, which is bogus), is very mobile, and has started since a freshman, so plenty of experience too.

KipCorrington25
01-09-2010, 05:24 PM
This is what a young "Franchise QB" looks like .....

Or this:
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/images/photos/2008/08/14/2836ql1r.jpg

Bigdawg26
01-09-2010, 05:30 PM
The opposite of KYLE ORTON!!

go_broncos
01-09-2010, 05:41 PM
Kyle Orton and Jay cutler are not Franchise QBs

gtown
01-09-2010, 05:45 PM
The opposite of KYLE ORTON!!

You're right about that. But we have him for another year. I don't think any of the QBs in the draft currently are gonna be franchise worthy - maybe Clausen, but I doubt it. El sid is right the best ones are staying in school.

Hopefully McD doesn't jump the gun. I hope he builds the lines this year so that if and when we do get a franchise signal caller he will have some protection and a defense that will give him some opportunities.

Taco John
01-09-2010, 05:49 PM
It's like porn. You know it when you see it.

Cutler was like Japanese porn...kinda blurry where the dirty was happenin.



:rofl: