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elsid13
01-08-2010, 03:31 PM
Here is two nice clips from Youtube on this Kid. He getting a lot of buzz, and Broncos have sent scouts to look at him. It is against DIV-IAA teams, but watch the throws and footwork. I posted the over at BF so might as well post this here

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Popps
01-08-2010, 03:33 PM
Thanks.

elsid13
01-08-2010, 03:34 PM
Fordham QB John Skelton muscles way into NFL Draft conversation

by Ebenezer Samuel (http://www.nydailynews.com/authors/Ebenezer%20Samuel)
daily news sports writer
Tuesday, August 25th 2009, 4:03 A

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/08/24/2009-08-24_unheralded_fordham_qb_john_skelton.html#ixzz0c4 CdgMJp


John Skelton (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/John+Skelton) knew he was being watched. He could feel the eyes trained on him, analyzing his footwork, dissecting his throwing motion, even scrutinizing the way he carried himself during Thursday's practice.

Fordham (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Fordham+Rams)'s senior quarterback knew an NFL (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/National+Football+League) scout was sizing him up like a piece of meat. But he didn't care.


"I used to get nervous," he said. "But not anymore."


Until this month, Skelton had never seen an NFL scout, much less had one breaking down his own performance. Few league personnel men were interested in visiting the tiny Jesuit school with the Division I-AA (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/National+Collegiate+Athletic+Association) gridiron program.



That's gradually changing. The Jets, Broncos (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Denver+Broncos) and Redskins (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Washington+Redskins) have all sent reps to Fordham, and the Colts and a handful of other teams have requested credentials to scout the squad during the season.



They're all coming to see Skelton, who is rapidly emerging as one of this year's most intriguing quarterback prospects. He's hardly a household name like Florida (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Florida+Gators+%28Football%29)'s Tim Tebow (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tim+Tebow), but if he leads the Rams (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/St.+Louis+Rams) to a solid season in front of all those scouts, he just may find himself battling Tebow and others for position in the 2010 NFL Draft.


"Before the year's over, there will probably be 32 scouts going past Fordham," says former Cowboys personnel guy and NFL.com draft guru Gil Brandt (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Gil+Brandt), who ranks Skelton as the country‘s ninth-best senior QB. "Many of them have never been to Fordham or don't know about Fordham football. But a lot of them are going to love this guy."
The 21-year-old Skelton smiles politely at such compliments. Throughout his career - from youth football to high school to college - he's toiled in anonymity and watched others bask in the limelight.



"I've always believed I had the ability," Skelton says.
"It's just, nobody else saw it until now."


Skelton has a tantalizing skill set. He stands 6-5 and packs a solid 258 pounds onto his country-strong frame. He has a Howitzer masquerading as a right arm: he regularly launches 50-yard bombs in practice. And he's always possessed an athleticism that belies his size: he played shortstop on his high school baseball team.


One NFL scout said Skelton has "all the tools" to succeed, and Fordham coach Tom Masella (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Tom+Masella) calls him the "total package."


All this from an athlete who barely registered on recruiting radars during his years at Burges HS in El Paso (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/El+Paso), Tex. Skelton was a three-year starter, and as a senior, he was the "best player in El Paso, hands down," according to younger brother Steve, a junior tight end at Fordham.


But in the football hotbed that is Texas (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Texas+Longhorns+%28Football%29), Skelton garnered little attention. As a senior, he was overshadowed by Jevan Snead (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jevan+Snead) (now a starter at Ole Miss (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ole+Miss+Rebels+%28Football%29)), Sherrod Harris (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Sherrod+Harris) (a backup at Texas) and Matt Stafford (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Matthew+Stafford) (the Detroit Lions (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Detroit+Lions)' 2009 first-round draft pick).


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/08/24/2009-08-24_unheralded_fordham_qb_john_skelton.html#ixzz0c4 Cm10Qd

Popps
01-08-2010, 03:40 PM
Holy crap... and this kid wasn't playing at a major school, why?

Looks like a similar offense to ours, too.

Wow.

elsid13
01-08-2010, 03:43 PM
Holy crap... and this kid wasn't playing at a major school, why?

Looks like a similar offense to ours, too.

Wow.

The college recruiting game is funny, there are a lot of good players that get lost in the shuffle. But if you can play the NFL scouts will find you.

lookin' glass
01-08-2010, 03:43 PM
His throwing motion seems kind of low but he does get the ball there in a hurry. He threw a perfect bubble screen on the first video that means he's their man.

elsid13
01-08-2010, 03:45 PM
He is playing in the Shrine Bowl - 2 Feb 2010 - so we will see how does against Div-i talent

snowspot66
01-08-2010, 04:37 PM
Did I read this right? 6'5 and 248? Jesus, the kid is a monster. That would put him at one of the biggest QB's in the league easily.

Harvitz81
01-08-2010, 04:39 PM
I'm all for drafting a guy like this in rounds 4-5 and not using our first rounder on a QB where we are better served to use that on the O/D-line.

Let him sit behind Orton for 2 years and he or Brandstater might be ready. Hopefully we use our top picks addressing the O-line to fit McD's scheme and D-line so we aren't gashed by the run anymore.

That said, If McClain or Berry somehow fall to our pick I hope we grab them.

elsid13
01-08-2010, 04:51 PM
Did I read this right? 6'5 and 248? Jesus, the kid is a monster. That would put him at one of the biggest QB's in the league easily.

There is an article were he said up to 256. More time in the weight room. Looks big but not fat, like Russel.

Hamrob
01-08-2010, 05:02 PM
Did I read this right? 6'5 and 248? Jesus, the kid is a monster. That would put him at one of the biggest QB's in the league easily.258lbs. Kind of bulky...he'd have to watch his fast-food!

Hamrob
01-08-2010, 05:04 PM
The kid is a stud in these videos. Looks like he was playing with a knee brace...I wonder what's up with that. His mobility looked adequate against the competition...but the seller is his arm. Looks like he has a gun and can make all the throws on a consistent basis. Man would that be nice to have again.

peacepipe
01-08-2010, 05:07 PM
The only worry with him is the talent he played against.

TheDave
01-08-2010, 05:09 PM
The only worry with him is the talent he played against.

and the fact that he didn't really dominate against said competition.

elsid13
01-08-2010, 05:16 PM
and the fact that he didn't really dominate against said competition.

He did dominate - rating of 149.9, 64% completion. 3708 yards, 26 TD and 10 INT . We will see what he like, when he gets to the shrine bowl

2KBack
01-08-2010, 05:18 PM
I wouldn't say he was dominant, but if you look at his individual game stats he was pretty steadily good, even when the team was not.

elsid13
01-08-2010, 05:24 PM
BTW I not advocating for him, just that I rather draft someone like him then reaching for one of "named" QBs in this draft. I think next year QB are heck of lot better and have higher ceiling then most of one coming out this year.

TheDave
01-08-2010, 05:25 PM
He did dominate - rating of 149.9, 64% completion. 3708 yards, 26 TD and 10 INT . We will see what he like, when he gets to the shrine bowl

Thats no better than Colt McCoy did adainst Div I talent... 147.41 70.6% 3,521 yards 27TD's 12 INT's and he's looked at as a 3rd rounder.


Sorry but I expect to see a lot more out of a kid with his measurables playing out of Div II Fordham U.

elsid13
01-08-2010, 05:41 PM
Thats no better than Colt McCoy did adainst Div I talent... 147.41 70.6% 3,521 yards 27TD's 12 INT's and he's looked at as a 3rd rounder.


Sorry but I expect to see a lot more out of a kid with his measurables playing out of Div II Fordham U.

We going to have disagree on this one. Colt is surround by NFL potential talent, Skelton is playing at Fordman (which is DIV-IAA). Sometime hard to dominate when throwing to guys that run 4.9 forties as receivers. But like I said we will see when he hits the Shrine bowl and practices that go along with that week.

BlueCrusher
01-08-2010, 06:23 PM
Lets see how he does on his wonderlic. He may be dumb as a raider.

KipCorrington25
01-08-2010, 06:35 PM
Holy crap... and this kid wasn't playing at a major school, why?

Looks like a similar offense to ours, too.

Wow.

So Fordham really sucks is what you're saying? Hilarious!

gyldenlove
01-08-2010, 06:45 PM
His throwing motion seems kind of low but he does get the ball there in a hurry. He threw a perfect bubble screen on the first video that means he's their man.

He has a Philip Riversesque sidearm delivery which means a very low delivery point which can lead to batted passes at the line, he also lines up exclusively in the shotgun so he has a steep learning curve in getting used to lining up under center.

His ball looks good but the spiral looks a little erratic at time, maybe due to his sidearm motion.

He does have a very quick throw and good power.

worm
01-08-2010, 06:57 PM
Can he do a backflip?

azbroncfan
01-08-2010, 06:58 PM
So Fordham really sucks is what you're saying? Hilarious!

I think he meant the opposite of being garbage and Popps thought he looked decent.

TonyR
01-08-2010, 07:29 PM
Sorry but I expect to see a lot more out of a kid with his measurables playing out of Div II Fordham U.

Do you know what school Joe Flacco played at, and what level that school is?

gyldenlove
01-08-2010, 07:36 PM
Do you know what school Joe Flacco played at, and what level that school is?

Flacco played at Pitt and Delaware, Delaware is in the FCS.

TheDave
01-08-2010, 07:44 PM
Do you know what school Joe Flacco played at, and what level that school is?

Level of competition arguments come up with all small school players... So unless you are comparing him to Joe Flacco I don't get your point.

gyldenlove
01-08-2010, 08:31 PM
With guys like that you have to rely heavily on pro days and team workouts where you can see them play with NFL talent.

TheDave
01-08-2010, 08:36 PM
With guys like that you have to rely heavily on pro days and team workouts where you can see them play with NFL talent.

Absolutely, as Elsid said The Shrine Bowl will be telling for him.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2010, 09:00 PM
BTW I not advocating for him, just that I rather draft someone like him then reaching for one of "named" QBs in this draft. I think next year QB are heck of lot better and have higher ceiling then most of one coming out this year.

Arent you the guy that bagged on Bradford for running a spread?

This guy is okay though? Ha!

Double standard?

ZONA
01-08-2010, 10:38 PM
His footwork is 1000 times better then Cutlers and he's supposed to be a Franchise QB. His arm looked solid like he can make all the throws. And for being that big of a dude, he sure moves very well. Better then any 250 pound QB I've seen in the NFL. Accuracy looked good but it was a highlight reel so you can't really depend on that footage to see how his overall accuracy is. That's the main thing I would be looking at in prospects. You can teach a young NFL rookie QB alot of things but one thing hard to teach is accuracy. Some guys have it good, some ok and some not at all. My favorite prospects, DIV 1 or not, is are they accurate. They don't have to have Manning like throwing form, that is rare, but as long as they know how to be accurate, that's way more then half the battle right there. You can have the biggest arm, great footwork, read defenses great, but if you can't seem to put the ball on the numbers often, it's all for not.

Vladimir
01-09-2010, 03:29 AM
sounds similar to jamarcus russell D:

elsid13
01-09-2010, 04:59 AM
Arent you the guy that bagged on Bradford for running a spread?

This guy is okay though? Ha!

Double standard?

First you quoted my post that said "I'm not advocating for him, just that I rather draft someone like him then reaching for one of "named" QBs in this draft." " And since he projected to be third day pick that isn't much of risk if doesn't work out. Second when I look at a kid coming into the draft I don't bag on any player for any one thing but attempt to factor in a lot of different attributes. Yes Skelton plays in a spread, and like Bradford and McCoy, he will need to work on playing under center which is negative. The only one with a double standard around here is you, if someone plays for OU or Mavericks he is automatically the greatest player ever.

watermock
01-09-2010, 05:08 AM
Looks good, I doubt McD found him tho....other cats are allready on his scent.

Steve Prefontaine
01-09-2010, 05:48 AM
Looks good, I doubt McD found him tho....other cats are allready on his scent.

I don't see anywhere that McDaniels "found" him.

TonyR
01-09-2010, 07:35 AM
Level of competition arguments come up with all small school players... So unless you are comparing him to Joe Flacco I don't get your point.

Not worth arguing about but it appeared to me that you implied his performance is diminished in value because it wasn't against Div I competition. My point in bringing up Flacco is that he didn't play against Div I competition either and that doesn't seem to have held him back in turning into a decent NFL QB. Skelton may never make it in the NFL but you don't write him off because he didn't walk on water at his level.

WolfpackGuy
01-09-2010, 07:41 AM
Not worth arguing about but it appeared to me that you implied his performance is diminished in value because it wasn't against Div I competition. My point in bringing up Flacco is that he didn't play against Div I competition either and that doesn't seem to have held him back in turning into a decent NFL QB. Skelton may never make it in the NFL but you don't write him off because he didn't walk on water at his level.

There were concerns of Flacco taking snaps from under center since pretty much everything at UD is out of the shotgun.

He had all the measurables though, plus he moved well for his size.

But yeah, playing his last 2 years in I-AA doesn't seem to have affected him.

Bronco Boy
01-09-2010, 08:09 AM
He should be around in the 5th/6th round. Probably worth grabbing and handing him a clipboard.

TheDave
01-09-2010, 08:46 AM
Not worth arguing about but it appeared to me that you implied his performance is diminished in value because it wasn't against Div I competition. My point in bringing up Flacco is that he didn't play against Div I competition either and that doesn't seem to have held him back in turning into a decent NFL QB. Skelton may never make it in the NFL but you don't write him off because he didn't walk on water at his level.

Well, you are right. I did imply that his performance is diminished because it was against lesser competition.

Thats' going to happen with every player who playes against "lesser competition".

Don't you think that who someone played against should be included when analyzing them?

As far as bringing Flacco up... I still don't understand the point? Because Eric Swann went in the top 10 and did not play College Ball should we just assume all street free agents are draft worthy now?

From what little I've seen this kid he is not Joe Flacco, but like people have said many times on this thread the Shrine game and practices will go a long way to telling us who he is.

Ray Finkle
01-09-2010, 09:07 AM
he has a poor arm angle on his throws....not really impressed.

epicSocialism4tw
01-09-2010, 09:13 AM
First you quoted my post that said "I'm not advocating for him, just that I rather draft someone like him then reaching for one of "named" QBs in this draft." " And since he projected to be third day pick that isn't much of risk if doesn't work out. Second when I look at a kid coming into the draft I don't bag on any player for any one thing but attempt to factor in a lot of different attributes. Yes Skelton plays in a spread, and like Bradford and McCoy, he will need to work on playing under center which is negative. The only one with a double standard around here is you, if someone plays for OU or Mavericks he is automatically the greatest player ever.

Ah...hedging your opinion, eh? You posted videos, intimated that the Broncos are interested in him, and then said that you were interested. This despite the fact that this guy has some of the same "negatives" that you used to minimize Bradford.

Not to mention that you questioned Bradford's ability to perform in the pro's because he wasnt throwing "pro" routes (which is entirely false), but this guy is alright because he's throwing the ball in DII?

Look, I think that this guy looks interesting. I also think that Bradford is extremely interesting. Your problem is that you have something against Bradford, and you try to present yourself as some sort of amateur scout.

azbroncfan
01-09-2010, 09:19 AM
Looks good, I doubt McD found him tho....other cats are allready on his scent.

I'm sure it wasn't too. McDummy is just too stupid and stubborn to listen to his scouts and tells them he don't need no QB as he already has his Tom B. on the roster. When are you just going to trade you fandome in for just the vikings?

Polster60
01-09-2010, 09:40 AM
I brought this up in an early thread, but supposedly a family member of John Skelton's has mentioned that the Denver Broncos are one of the first teams to scout him, and apparently have the highest level of interest. Now you'll have to take the word of a poster on Footballsfuture.com, but their have scouting web pages that mention us as being interested in him.

I like small school prospects because their easy to root for.

bpc
01-09-2010, 09:49 AM
he has a poor arm angle on his throws....not really impressed.

I thought that about his arm too. Kinda comes off at a 3/4 quarter delivery.

As for his film, he had some positive stuff in there. He looks like T. Pike from Cincy, only it seems he doesn't trust his arm over the middle as much.

IF this is the guy we're pining for, we're not planning to go QB any earlier than 4th round, which is where this guy should be drafted at. Slightly disappointing considering the need. Basically, McDaniels is going to stake his rep on Orton leading him to the playoffs and beyond.

He's making his bed...

TheDave
01-09-2010, 09:53 AM
I thought that about his arm too. Kinda comes off at a 3/4 quarter delivery.

As for his film, he had some positive stuff in there. He looks like T. Pike from Cincy, only it seems he doesn't trust his arm over the middle as much.

IF this is the guy we're pining for, we're not planning to go QB any earlier than 4th round, which is where this guy should be drafted at. Slightly disappointing considering the need. Basically, McDaniels is going to stake his rep on Orton leading him to the playoffs and beyond.

He's making his bed...

There is a pretty common thought process in the NFL.

If you are draftoing a QB in the first round... your drafting for the guy who will replace you. I'm pretty sure McD knows that. He'll probably grab a developmental guy (like this one) in the 3rd or 4th.

epicSocialism4tw
01-09-2010, 10:01 AM
There is a pretty common thought process in the NFL.

If you are draftoing a QB in the first round... your drafting for the guy who will replace you. I'm pretty sure McD knows that. He'll probably grab a developmental guy (like this one) in the 3rd or 4th.

I think that youre right, and that's why its good to have a GM that's beholden to the owner.

TheDave
01-09-2010, 10:03 AM
I think that youre right, and that's why its good to have a GM that's beholden to the owner.

He had a chance last year to do it, but wanted to stay with Orton. Unfortunately I think that ship has sailed. From here on out we better hope he finds a diamond in the rough.

elsid13
01-09-2010, 10:05 AM
Ah...hedging your opinion, eh? You posted videos, intimated that the Broncos are interested in him, and then said that you were interested. This despite the fact that this guy has some of the same "negatives" that you used to minimize Bradford.

Not to mention that you questioned Bradford's ability to perform in the pro's because he wasnt throwing "pro" routes (which is entirely false), but this guy is alright because he's throwing the ball in DII?

Look, I think that this guy looks interesting. I also think that Bradford is extremely interesting. Your problem is that you have something against Bradford, and you try to present yourself as some sort of amateur scout.

I posted the video because Popps asked me to and because he getting a lot of buzz on message boards. The Broncos have sent scouts to look at him -see the NY daily piece. I don't have anything "against" Bradford, or McCoy or Tebow. I just don't think they extremely special pro prospects. The real special QBs(Luck, Locker and Mallet) didn't come out this year.

BTW OU doesn't run a lot of deep outs or 10 to 15 comebacks (pro style throws), they run mostly slants, mesh and gos. That how the systems is designed. I get that you are OU fan, but just like Texas fans you need to realize that just because someone played there doesn't automatically make them great players in the NFL.

bombay
01-09-2010, 10:23 AM
It's good to see that they're beating the bushes and not just looking at the most publicized dudes.

bpc
01-09-2010, 10:39 AM
There is a pretty common thought process in the NFL.

If you are draftoing a QB in the first round... your drafting for the guy who will replace you. I'm pretty sure McD knows that. He'll probably grab a developmental guy (like this one) in the 3rd or 4th.

I don't really agree, especially if McD is planning on being here after year three.

What we have now is a perfect setup to take a young talented QB. Orton is in place and we can have him for a year, or three as a restricted free agent. We know he's not great, but he won't totally crap the pot and gives us a chance to win in the meantime. Rookie A can sit the bench and learn, possibly starting in year 2 of his career.

We'll see how it goes. I thought the pull with McDaniels was that he could do for QB's, which Shanahan could do for HB's. He could take a lessly regarded guy and turn him into a stud, a la Matt Cassell, a guy who never started a college game. I would disappointed drafting a QB early with all the other needs we have but that seems like the safest way to the top. Ideally he would be able to turn a 5th, 6th or 7th round pick into a pro bowler. That remains to be seen as Orton didn't post a pro bowl type year in year 1 despite having two 100 catch WR's and a offensive line which was adept at pass blocking from the year before.

gyldenlove
01-09-2010, 10:46 AM
I always worry about sidearm releases, at this time you can't change his mechanics so he has to be ultra aware of his throwing lanes like Philip Rivers is or he will have a million balls batted at the line. His footwork will definitely help him with that, but he does look like a guy who will end up relying on deep drops and shotgun a lot. If his release point was about half a foot higher it would be great.

gtown
01-09-2010, 11:02 AM
Guy seems worth looking at. Mobile for a guy that size, might be able to ad lib a bit (a la Farve or Romo), and his arm looks pretty good. I don't mind the 3/4 delivery either. Lots of QBs with non standard deliveries that are successes in the NFL.

TheDave
01-09-2010, 11:05 AM
I don't really agree, especially if McD is planning on being here after year three.

What we have now is a perfect setup to take a young talented QB. Orton is in place and we can have him for a year, or three as a restricted free agent. We know he's not great, but he won't totally crap the pot and gives us a chance to win in the meantime. Rookie A can sit the bench and learn, possibly starting in year 2 of his career.

We'll see how it goes. I thought the pull with McDaniels was that he could do for QB's, which Shanahan could do for HB's. He could take a lessly regarded guy and turn him into a stud, a la Matt Cassell, a guy who never started a college game. I would disappointed drafting a QB early with all the other needs we have but that seems like the safest way to the top. Ideally he would be able to turn a 5th, 6th or 7th round pick into a pro bowler. That remains to be seen as Orton didn't post a pro bowl type year in year 1 despite having two 100 catch WR's and a offensive line which was adept at pass blocking from the year before.

IMO you don't draft a kid at #10 and then sit him on the bench. If we end up with Clausen or Bradford as our 1st pick then KO is the one riding the pine. What we are set up to do is draft someone in the 3rd round or lower and groom them over the next couple of seasons.

epicSocialism4tw
01-09-2010, 11:08 AM
I posted the video because Popps asked me to and because he getting a lot of buzz on message boards. The Broncos have sent scouts to look at him -see the NY daily piece. I don't have anything "against" Bradford, or McCoy or Tebow. I just don't think they extremely special pro prospects. The real special QBs(Luck, Locker and Mallet) didn't come out this year.

BTW OU doesn't run a lot of deep outs or 10 to 15 comebacks (pro style throws), they run mostly slants, mesh and gos. That how the systems is designed. I get that you are OU fan, but just like Texas fans you need to realize that just because someone played there doesn't automatically make them great players in the NFL.

Silliness. The same things were said about Adrian Peterson, who is the only other Oklahoma player that I have advocated in the draft. Phil Loadholt to a lesser extent.

Bradford is a player. He's no Jason White, he's no Hybl, he's no Tebow. Bradford has the package. He's the only player outside of AD that I have seen come through OU as a transcendent player. This is no system flaw. Bradford has played since his freshman year, and has done well every time he hit the field.

Baba Booey
01-09-2010, 11:14 AM
I'd take a chance on him in the second day.

TheDave
01-09-2010, 11:15 AM
I'd take a chance on him in the second day.

2nd day is now the 2nd round.

barryr
01-09-2010, 11:21 AM
If the Broncos want a QB, Central Michigan's Dan Lefevour is the guy to get. He's likely a mid rounder, though I think he can be as good if not better than any QB taken in this coming draft.

bpc
01-09-2010, 11:27 AM
IMO you don't draft a kid at #10 and then sit him on the bench. If we end up with Clausen or Bradford as our 1st pick then KO is the one riding the pine. What we are set up to do is draft someone in the 3rd round or lower and groom them over the next couple of seasons.

I definitely don't agree with that. The college game and the pro game are two different animals. Maybe if you have an all-NFL defense, along with a running game you can start the 1st round QB off slow but start him.

Since Denver technically has neithere at this point, we would have to put that person on the bench and soak up some good coaching along with getting familiar with the system.

I think this case especially holds true in Denver where McDaniels EXPECTS the QB to handle the ball with care while also being the focal point of creating the transition to short passing plays. What I mean by that is throwing short passes which work in general like running plays. You can't expect a rookie to come in and heave the ball around 50 times like McDaniels could possibly do.

As for going for a QB early, vs. late, it all comes down to the ability they haven't throwing the ball. Normally tools are much greater on the front end which is why you draft QB's early... McNabb, Manning, Roethlisberger, Aaron Rogers, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Sanchez, and yes even Jay Cutler.

The Tom Brady's and Tony Romo's are few and far between in this league.

bpc
01-09-2010, 11:30 AM
If the Broncos want a QB, Central Michigan's Dan Lefevour is the guy to get. He's likely a mid rounder, though I think he can be as good if not better than any QB taken in this coming draft.

I think Lefevour is a solid player but he's not a guy that is going to sit back and pick apart defenses in the NFL. He didn't do that at Central Michigan. He's a guy that is a playmaker when he breaks containment and can use his legs as a weapon.

Watch any game this guy has played and he has throws that just make you scratch your head. He'll have ample time in the pocket, and players will be wide open and he'll over throw them by 5-10 yds. Combine that with his throws normally being HIGH, I sense that he's going to have INT problem on the next level.

I think he's an upside guy with great intangibles. He's got Jake Plummer written all over him but I doubt he's a pure pocket passer which teams will be coveting. I wouldn't take a chance on Lefevour before round 4 or 5. I'm sure somebody will potentially fall in love with him and take him earlier though.

Popps
01-09-2010, 11:31 AM
Guy seems worth looking at. Mobile for a guy that size, might be able to ad lib a bit (a la Farve or Romo), and his arm looks pretty good. I don't mind the 3/4 delivery either. Lots of QBs with non standard deliveries that are successes in the NFL.

Philip Rivers looks like he should be competing in the special olympics. That weird-ass shotput throw is just bizarre.

Yet, he's a franchise QB.

People get way too suckered in by appearances. Mechanics have to be there, but not all guys look like Peyton Manning throwing the ball.

azbroncfan
01-09-2010, 11:40 AM
Silliness. The same things were said about Adrian Peterson, who is the only other Oklahoma player that I have advocated in the draft.

Oh boy way to go out on a limb there. You just took the fumbling machines dink out of your mouth and inserted Bradfords. How the hell is he going to hold up in the pros if he gets hurt as easy as he has in college? I would take a flyer on him though.

d bronx42
01-09-2010, 12:07 PM
That guy has some amazing footwork in the pocket... Peyton Manning esque.

KS Bronco
01-09-2010, 01:06 PM
franchise?

yavoon
01-09-2010, 01:48 PM
Philip Rivers looks like he should be competing in the special olympics. That weird-ass shotput throw is just bizarre.

Yet, he's a franchise QB.

People get way too suckered in by appearances. Mechanics have to be there, but not all guys look like Peyton Manning throwing the ball.

it's not that I dislike standard releases per se. but if you look at peyton manning you can see he constantly refines his release, he pats the ball pre-throw very little(a common tell for qbs), he works on his release benig high and the ball being in both hands before he starts his motion. he even has that tippy toes short pass release.

I worry that people with non-standar releases just don't give a **** about that kind of attention to detail or refinement. it's just "lol this is how I throw the ball bro"

The MVPlaya
01-09-2010, 05:36 PM
What the hell was the random McDaniels hate coming from?

I swear, I'm baffled by how stupid some people are here. When the team is winning, you're going to be backing him up like you would with your kids.

No where did the article or anyone talk about McDaniels...yet he comes up?

UberBroncoMan
01-09-2010, 05:38 PM
Everyone keeps saying JaMarcus but this dude reminds me more of Ben Roethlisberger.

I also HIGHLY doubt he's dumb as a rock. McDaniels will not look into idiots especially at the QB position. Hence why Brandstater was an Academic All-American. You need to be exceptionally good at multitasking and processing intense amounts of information in seconds... not the best job for an idiot, especially in this system.

The MVPlaya
01-09-2010, 05:46 PM
A lot of the throws he's making looks awfully similar to the throws that need to be made in this offense...and their offense looks awfully similar.

Dedhed
01-09-2010, 08:44 PM
Ball comes out quick and accurate, but he's got a Vince Young sort of delivery where it comes off the shoulder instead of over the top.

Looks like he has some tools though, and that offense looked familiar. Looks to have a little mobility for a big guy.

elsid13
03-10-2010, 02:47 PM
John Skelton Continuing to Prepare for Draft

Quarterback Participates in the NFL Combine and Fordham’s Pro Day to Boost his Draft Stock

By MATT MANUSZAK
STAFF WRITER
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Published: Wednesday, March 10, 2010
Updated: Wednesday, March 10, 2010






When we last left John Skelton, he was at the East-West Shrine Game, displaying his game to a more national audience and trying to move up on the draft boards of NFL executives around the league.


Since then, Skelton has been busy training at Fischer Sports, a physical strength and conditioning center in Phoenix. Last week, scouts at the NFL’s annual Combine in Indianapolis, Ind., sized up the 6’5’, 243 lbs. gunslinger next to the nation’s other top quarterbacks, including Colt McCoy from Texas and former Heisman winners Tim Tebow of Florida and Sam Bradford from Oklahoma.


Skelton put up some impressive raw scores. After being weighed at a chiseled 244 lbs., Skelton ran the 40-yard dash in 4.85 seconds, posted a 33.5-inch vertical leap and completed the 20-yard shuttle in 4.33 seconds.


These numbers were good for seventh, fourth and fourth respectively among all the quarterbacks, rankings that are even more impressive considering Skelton was the heaviest quarterback at the combine by a good seven pounds.


Many of the more well known quarterbacks at the combine, including Tebow, McCoy and Bradford, eschewed the throwing drills. They instead will wait for their respective school’s pro days to throw, creating an opportunity for other quarterbacks like Skelton to make a good showing for the scouts.


“Three guys didn’t throw in my group and that definitely allowed me to make more throws and catch the eye of some of the people watching,” Skelton said. “It just takes one [scout] to like you and get you drafted.”


While scouts associated with teams obviously are staying mum about their opinions of Skelton and the other athletes at the Combine, many third-party scouts and pundits have weighed in on Skelton’s workouts, and the reviews have generally been positive.
Sirius Radio NFL analyst Jim Miller mentioned that while this is generally considered a weak quarterback class, he likes Skelton a lot and thinks he has the best arm in the draft.


“More work has to be done on John Skelton of Fordham, who looked great at the combine – he stole the show,” respected NFL.com writer Pat Kirwan said. “Skelton is 6’5 3/8”, 243 [lbs]. He ran a 4.85 in the 40 and threw the ball better than anyone in the drills.”


The consensus on Skelton continues to be that he has an absolute cannon for an arm and that he has all the physical tools to be a great quarterback, but he trusts his arm a bit too much and still struggles a bit with short and intermediate routes. Thus, while Skelton’s arm strength was on full display in Indianapolis, he also displayed a bit of inaccuracy. Hoping to defray these concerns, Skelton also threw at Fordham’s pro day on Tuesday, March 9.


While most of the roughly 30 players from Fordham and other Football Championship Subdivision schools did the typical combine drills, hoping to catch a scout’s eye, Skelton was far more focused.


After a brief stretch, he threw various routes and patterns and was again extremely impressive, as choppy winds didn’t deter him from making strong throws.
“I thought the day went really well,” Skelton said. “I hope the scouts and coaches thought the same.”


In contrast to Skelton’s rather relaxed response, Fordham Head Coach Tom Masella was a bundle of energy following the workout.


“Well, he’s got that rocket arm, and the scouts definitely got to see that,” Masella said. “I think he looked really good and he made strong throws.”
The intensity of exciting pro day atmosphere was heightened even further with the presence of representatives from 16 NFL teams, most of whom were there to watch Skelton.


“I talked with Cincinnati Bengals Quarterback Coach Ken Zampese and Philadelphia Eagles Offensive Coordinator Marty Mornhinweg,” Skelton said.


Speculation will certainly run rampant around both the league and the Fordham campus in the days leading up to the NFL draft in late April, as there is still a great deal of uncertainty as to not only where Skelton will go, but when.
Some boards have him being picked as high as the third round. While that may be somewhat ambitious, expect Skelton to go somewhere in the middle rounds (between the fourth and sixth). Yet, amid this flurry of rumors and predictions, Skelton has managed to stay cool.


“The whole process has been enjoyable,” Skelton said. “It’s something few people get to experience and I only did it once, but I will be happy to catch my breath and rest when it’s all said and done. I’ll be wherever I end up. I just want to make it into camp and compete for the job: that’s all I can ask for.”


Skelton’s journey from a little known FCS quarterback to a legitimate NFL prospect has been an exciting one, and it’s not over yet. Hopefully, he will be able to make an impact wherever he goes and bring some much-needed national athletic acclaim to Fordham.

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Bronco Boy
03-10-2010, 03:00 PM
Fordham has a pro day?

Popps
03-10-2010, 03:14 PM
This seems like a heartbreak pick (as in not happening), so I'm not getting jacked up about it... but wow, does he look like he could step right into our offense and play.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-10-2010, 03:17 PM
Someone's gonna overdraft this guy.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-10-2010, 03:17 PM
Fordham has a pro day?

i think it was a lot of those small schools in the area.

DBroncos4life
03-10-2010, 03:28 PM
Only Fordham offered him a scholarship coming out of high school. That is scary considering about every major collage has scouts everywhere in Texas.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2452

Tombstone RJ
03-10-2010, 03:30 PM
Someone's gonna overdraft this guy.

Yep, that's what I'm thinking...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
03-10-2010, 03:38 PM
Only Fordham offered him a scholarship coming out of high school. That is scary considering about every major collage has scouts everywhere in Texas.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2452

Thought I read somewhere that UTEP offered him a scholarship.

Guys can improve in college, you know. Hell, Steve McNair wasn't too bad and he came out of Alcorn State, which is also Div I-AA.

I like Skelton. in the third or fourth, I like him even more.

DBroncos4life
03-10-2010, 03:45 PM
Thought I read somewhere that UTEP offered him a scholarship.

Guys can improve in college, you know. Hell, Steve McNair wasn't too bad and he came out of Alcorn State, which is also Div I-AA.

I like Skelton. in the third or fourth, I like him even more.

I read that Utep was one of the schools looking at him along with Texas Tech but no offers outside of the one they got. I'm not saying this makes him a bad player but on the other hand I know that Nebraska pretty much has scouts living in Texas to steal talent away from that state. I would imagine other B12 schools do as well outside of Colorado. Texas is a pretty big pipeline recruiting zone for most major schools. It's weird seeing a kid like this fall through cracks.

I was trying to see if other schools recruited him. Most of the time if you see a guy like this with multiple big schools offering him a scholarship and he picks the smaller school it tells me that he would have had a hard time qualifying. This isn't the case at all. As someone else pointed out in this thread the Wonderlic score will tells us some more about him.

Baba Booey
03-10-2010, 03:47 PM
I'd love this guy in the third or fourth.

Drunk Monkey
03-10-2010, 04:11 PM
I read that Utep was one of the schools looking at him along with Texas Tech but no offers outside of the one they got. I'm not saying this makes him a bad player but on the other hand I know that Nebraska pretty much has scouts living in Texas to steal talent away from that state. I would imagine other B12 schools do as well outside of Colorado. Texas is a pretty big pipeline recruiting zone for most major schools. It's weird seeing a kid like this fall through cracks.

I was trying to see if other schools recruited him. Most of the time if you see a guy like this with multiple big schools offering him a scholarship and he picks the smaller school it tells me that he would have had a hard time qualifying. This isn't the case at all. As someone else pointed out in this thread the Wonderlic score will tells us some more about him.

Very true, but he is from El Paso, that is almost Arizona. If any major city in the US is in BFE it is El Paso. Great town btw.

Bronco CB40
03-10-2010, 04:18 PM
The Fordham Flash

http://fordhamsportsnet.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/frisch.jpg

Caligula
03-10-2010, 04:21 PM
He's tall but releases the ball down by his ear.. such a short and low throwing motion... almost like he's throwing darts instead of throwing a football.

The MVPlaya
03-10-2010, 04:28 PM
He's tall but releases the ball down by his ear.. such a short and low throwing motion... almost like he's throwing darts instead of throwing a football.

Quick release... that's all it is. Bradford has a short motion/quick release too.

He does release his ball a little low... however he's pretty damn tall ...

I mean these are things that just get jumbled into the equation. Rivers doesn't exactly release the ball high either...

elsid13
03-10-2010, 04:37 PM
He's tall but releases the ball down by his ear.. such a short and low throwing motion... almost like he's throwing darts instead of throwing a football.

If watch his combine video, he getting the ball higher near his ear. He need a good QB coach to work on his motion and feet.

lookin' glass
03-10-2010, 04:42 PM
I've read as many as 16 teams were in attendence and 2 of them gave Skelton a 3rd round grade. Apparently, he threw a lot better than at the combine.

DBroncos4life
03-10-2010, 04:46 PM
Very true, but he is from El Paso, that is almost Arizona. If any major city in the US is in BFE it is El Paso. Great town btw.

He was a star QB at a 1-4A school in Texas though. Recruiters will go to the ends of the earth to find talent.

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He has already worn the Broncos horse though...:)

*WARHORSE*
03-10-2010, 04:53 PM
I like him. Denver will evaluate him. If we draft him, we draft him.

Stick to the players you think will help us.

broncswin
03-10-2010, 04:54 PM
He's tall but releases the ball down by his ear.. such a short and low throwing motion... almost like he's throwing darts instead of throwing a football.

I thought the same thing...I think he has a real quick release...which is good, but he needs to get the ball up a little more..even if he is 6'5

Dedhed
03-10-2010, 05:34 PM
He's my favorite QB prospect outside of Bradford.

I'm not worried about the release point much due to his size, and how quick he gets rid of the ball.

Ball comes out quicker and higher than plenty of QBs starting in the league right now, and it won't take much to improve his motion. If you watch the videos closely you'll see that he does a nice job of changing his arm angle to throw around defenders. That impresses me more than a sterling motion.

He's raw, but he's a beast of an athlete. Great size, great arm, great mobility.

dsmoot
03-10-2010, 07:37 PM
The Fordham Flash

http://fordhamsportsnet.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/frisch.jpg

Another famous Fordham football player was one of the Seven Blocks of Granite. Anyone know who?

tsiguy96
03-10-2010, 07:53 PM
Another famous Fordham football player was one of the Seven Blocks of Granite. Anyone know who?

filename says frisch.jpg

whoever frisch is, i guess.

BroncoMan4ever
03-10-2010, 08:16 PM
I'd love this guy in the third or fourth.

i like the potential but 3rd or 4th is a big time reach on the guy. 5th round or later is when we should take a shot at him.

Bronco Boy
03-10-2010, 10:08 PM
Al Davis takes him in the 2nd.

strafen
03-10-2010, 10:13 PM
He's tall but releases the ball down by his ear.. such a short and low throwing motion... almost like he's throwing darts instead of throwing a football.

He's not much different than Brandstater.
They're both tall and mobile, but I'd give Brandstater the edge on arm's strength.
If you happen to look at some of Brandstater college highlight videos, you'll see what I mean.
Skelton is just another flavor of the week.
One thing though, Skelton seems to have run similar offense in college as ours. That would be a plus with our coaching staff...

~Crash~
03-10-2010, 10:17 PM
Holy crap... and this kid wasn't playing at a major school, why?

Looks like a similar offense to ours, too.

Wow.

So we are now running the spread Popps.:wave:

Sorry elsid13 but your statement foot work and spread .these are not good words to use toghter . now if you want to say great technique and set up I will go with that .

Hulamau
03-10-2010, 11:17 PM
This seems like a heartbreak pick (as in not happening), so I'm not getting jacked up about it... but wow, does he look like he could step right into our offense and play.

Wouldn't mind at all seeing this kid with a year to get used to NFL speed and learn the finer points of QBing from Josh while holding the clipboard for Orton this year, then let er rip in 2011 if he's got the stuff.

Was impressed by the mobility for his size, another real weapon on 3rd or 4th and 1 :-) Has a real quick release and seems plenty accurate, at least in what was shown.

Didnt even seem to strain throwing that 58 yard in the air 98 yard TD from his own end zone. With a littel polishing this kid could be the real deal!

Alas, every other team is aware of it too so if Josh wants him it may well take a 3rd to get him.'IF' they are really sold on the guy after evaluatiing him the week of the Shrine game, at the combine, Fordham day and after bringing him in for a private workout and interview, I'd definitely be down with paying that price.

Kaylore
03-10-2010, 11:23 PM
Can he do a backflip?

:rofl:I still love this. FLIPS!!

Seriously though, he meets certain criteria in that he's tall, has a strong arm and a quick release. I like that he keeps his eyes down field and he puts the ball in some tight windows. A lot of his receivers weren't getting much separation and he was able to place the ball in some very tight windows.

I don't like his progressions and target choices in general. I didn't watch Fordham, so I don't know which of his receivers he did and did not have confidence int, but there were some plays where guys would uncover down field or underneath and he would throw the ball into double coverage or to a target where the net gain was much less than other options down field. His throwing motion is really weird, too. Purely a shotgun passer means he's also a major project coming from a small school. This is a late second day/third day guy and will need to ride the pine to learn how to play complete football, but the talent and physical tools are all there.

Doggcow
03-10-2010, 11:32 PM
:rofl:I still love this. FLIPS!!

Seriously though, he meets certain criteria in that he's tall, has a strong arm and a quick release. I like that he keeps his eyes down field and he puts the ball in some tight windows. A lot of his receivers weren't getting much separation and he was able to place the ball in some very tight windows.

I don't like his progressions and target choices in general. I didn't watch Fordham, so I don't know which of his receivers he did and did not have confidence int, but there were some plays where guys would uncover down field or underneath and he would throw the ball into double coverage or to a target where the net gain was much less than other options down field. His throwing motion is really weird, too. Purely a shotgun passer means he's also a major project coming from a small school. This is a late second day/third day guy and will need to ride the pine to learn how to play complete football, but the talent and physical tools are all there.

A lot of the board would jizz over a guy that could do that for us!

elsid13
03-11-2010, 02:02 AM
So we are now running the spread Popps.:wave:

Sorry elsid13 but your statement foot work and spread .these are not good words to use toghter . now if you want to say great technique and set up I will go with that .

I don't know where you are going with this post. When I talk about his feet, I mean that doesn't always set them properly or put his shoulders overthem. Because he has strong arm he can get a little sloppy with lower body at times.

WolfpackGuy
03-11-2010, 04:18 AM
Decent mobility for his size, but his throws are a little wild at this point.

He can get it there in a hurry though.

The MVPlaya
08-15-2010, 09:54 PM
Had a perfect QB rating for the Cards in pre-season debut.

Broncojef
08-15-2010, 09:57 PM
Had a perfect QB rating for the Cards in pre-season debut.

Watched the game and he looked real sharp. He's gonna be the starter for the Cards by the end of the year IMO.

The MVPlaya
08-16-2010, 03:54 AM
He's a prototypical QB, huge, tall, rocket arm.