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Doggcow
01-07-2010, 09:16 PM
I'm not sure where he was slated to go, but if it drops him down to a 3rd or 4th round I'd be all for him.

I didn't hear exactly what happened to him. I assume a separated shoulder?

I know late season injuries usually drop peoples value. Anyone more drafty and know how this could affect his value?

SoDak Bronco
01-07-2010, 09:27 PM
I want McClain..the dude is going to be a beast Inside MLB in our 3-4

Archer81
01-07-2010, 09:30 PM
Looked like a jammed shoulder. Considering this is his last game and he is going to be drafted, why make it worse?


:Broncos:

SoDak Bronco
01-07-2010, 09:34 PM
i felt terrible for McCoy...Then I remembered I bet Alabama so I felt happy...But sad at the same time...then happy.

OCBronco
01-07-2010, 09:41 PM
Not sure. He said afterward that he couldn't even feel his right arm. I hope for his sake that he's okay.

epicSocialism4tw
01-07-2010, 09:49 PM
I doubt it hurts his draft value.

hookemhess
01-07-2010, 09:58 PM
Nah, he is fine. His insurance policy is only like $3-4m, I think. It was a business decision to not go back in. Can't blame him. Shredded shoulders destroy QB careers. Point in case, Griese.

Doggcow
01-07-2010, 10:02 PM
Nah, he is fine. His insurance policy is only like $3-4m, I think. It was a business decision to not go back in. Can't blame him. Shredded shoulders destroy QB careers. Point in case, Griese.

Well I know it was a business decision. I was just wondering if it might knock him down a round or so depending on the severity.

Sucks it was his throwing arm.

I don't know if I would want McCoy or not at this point.

Pontius Pirate
01-07-2010, 10:03 PM
Colt who?

ZONA
01-07-2010, 10:06 PM
I want McClain..the dude is going to be a beast Inside MLB in our 3-4

diddo

hookemhess
01-07-2010, 10:06 PM
Well I know it was a business decision. I was just wondering if it might knock him down a round or so depending on the severity.

Sucks it was his throwing arm.

I don't know if I would want McCoy or not at this point.

I'd rather Bradford, but wouldn't we all?

ZONA
01-07-2010, 10:09 PM
I'd rather Bradford, but wouldn't we all?

As much as I heard months ago about him falling, on many boards he keeps creeping back up. A few sites even have him #1 to the Rams. I think he will be long gone before our pick at 11. I don't want any of the other QB's in this draft so I prefer we take McClain, if he is on the board, oh how I hope.

TexanBob
01-07-2010, 10:15 PM
I've felt he was 2nd-3rd round material before tonight and this doesn't change my opinion except to have my doctors check him out thoroughly if I'm serious about drafting him. 95% likely he'll be fine by draft day.

I think he said he could feel his shoulder because they tried to deaden the pain so they could put him back in but I guess they decided against it.

I'm mostly sad that the injury robbed us of what might have been a classic. Certainly, it's a whole different game if he doesn't get hurt and we'll never really know who was better.

epicSocialism4tw
01-07-2010, 10:17 PM
As much as I heard months ago about him falling, on many boards he keeps creeping back up. A few sites even have him #1 to the Rams. I think he will be long gone before our pick at 11. I don't want any of the other QB's in this draft so I prefer we take McClain, if he is on the board, oh how I hope.

The idea of Bradford "falling" is just wishful thinking by fans who hope he slips back to them.

In reality, as the draft draws closer you'll see the QB's up in the top 5. If Bradford looks crisp at the combine, he'll be the first player taken.

OBF1
01-07-2010, 10:36 PM
He is still a 1st-2nd round pick.... 4th is dreaming

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-07-2010, 10:38 PM
There are a number of QBs better than Colt. No way he's 1st or 2nd round.

Los Broncos
01-07-2010, 10:48 PM
I want McClain..the dude is going to be a beast Inside MLB in our 3-4

I look around for some video on him, have any?

TexanBob
01-08-2010, 12:37 AM
ESPN reporting it was a pinched nerve. Unlikely McCoy's draft status will be impacted although interested teams may give him a more thorough exam than they had originally planned.

Drek
01-08-2010, 04:48 AM
The injury likely isn't anything severe, the biggest loss due to it was not getting to showcase himself in the national championship game. A few years back Matt Lienart was the hands down #1 QB in his class but after Vince Young torched USC in the national championship game Young went 3rd overall and Lienart slid down to 9th.

Colt McCoy had a fight on his hands to catch up to Clausen and Bradford as it was. Going into last night's game he was sitting in the same tier as Tebow and Mallett (if he comes out) and Tony Pike. He had a chance to make a strong case for him as at worst the #3 QB. Now he's got to prove it in a four way scrum against some very talented competition.

At current there is possibly an all time low for QB needs in the NFL as well. Here are the NFL teams by draft order, and my opinion on their need for QB:



St. Louis (1-15) - Need a QB, likely going to take Clausen or Bradford here.
Detroit (2-14) - Drafted Stafford last year. Set at QB.
Tampa Bay (3-13)- Drafted Freeman last year, will not take another QB in the first three rounds.
Washington (4-12)- Campbell is a free agent, likely need a QB. Very possible they'll draft one here.
Kansas City (4-12)- Have Cassell on a massive deal. Doubt they'll draft a replacement high only one season after giving him that deal.
Seattle (5-11)- Probably need a QB. But need a lot in general and Hasselback is still good when healthy.
Cleveland (5-11)- Still have Anderson and Quinn. Might draft a QB, which will lead to the jettisoning of those two QBs for other teams to scoop up as backups.
Oakland (5-11)- Need a QB once again assuming they cut Russell. Can't imagine they don't.
Buffalo (6-10)- Have a QB. Not much else, but they do have a QB.
Jacksonville^ (7-9)- Have a pretty good QB, but might draft Tebow to help sell tickets.
Denver - from Chicago^ (7-9)- We got KO, not likely to take a QB in the first round at least.
Miami (7-9)- set at QB.
San Francisco (8-8)- look pretty good at QB with Alex Smith's resurgence.
Seattle - from Denver (8-8)- see pick #6.
New York Giants (8-8)- set at QB.
Tennessee^ (8-8)- Vince Young and Kerry Collins both under contract still.
San Francisco - from Carolina^ (8-8) - see 13.
Pittsburgh (9-7) - set at QB.
Atlanta^ (9-7) - set at QB.
Houston^ (9-7) - set at QB (or so it seems a least).
New York Jets* (9-7)- set at QB.
Baltimore* (9-7)- set at QB.
Arizona* (10-6)- set at QB.
Green Bay* (11-5) - set at QB.
Cincinnati* (10-6) - set at QB.
New England* (10-6) - set at QB.
Philadelphia* (11-5)- set at QB.
Dallas* (11-5)- set at QB.
Minnesota* (12-4) - set at QB.
San Diego* (13-3)- set at QB.
New Orleans* (13-3) - set at QB.
Indianapolis* (14-2) - set at QB.

The Bears and Panthers don't have firsts. The former is locked into a QB already, the later is paying one like they are, but started a youngster over him down the stretch. They might stick with Moore or they might go looking for some competition.

So there are probably somewhere between six to eight teams who would even possibly consider QB a need in the first two or three rounds. Of that list one of them is rumored to be locked into an overpick of the home town hero (J-Ville with Tebow). Another five are picking in the top 10 (six if we beat J-Ville in the coin toss and you think we're looking to get a QB). Carolina is the one left with no 1st, and therefore probably need to make a bigger impact with their 2nd rounder.

Its entirely possible I think that we see Clausen and Bradford go in the top 10, Tebow to Jacksonville, and another QB doesn't get drafted until the early second round.

The big RFA crop could really shuffle things around though. Might be a lot more pick movement than in recent years.

Broncoman13
01-08-2010, 05:16 AM
Last night I focused on Rolando McClain, very impressed. That guy has incredible instincts. Not sure an Inside LB is our greatest need, but that dude is the real deal. He already has the size to play effectively in a 3-4 defense. He is a film junky and the unquestioned leader of the Tide's top ranked defense. He has incredible instincts.

All that being said, I think there is more than a small chance that Brandon Spikes is available in the 2nd round. He too would be a great option and it would allow us to draft BPA (Berry/Bradford/McCoy) in the first.

Man, this draft is so incredibly deep. We could see players such as Taylor Mays fall into the late first round. When we're talking Brandon Spikes as a middle 2nd rounder, you kind of get an idea of just how deep this draft is.

Also, don't be surprised to see Joe Haden as our first round pick.

Don't be surprised to see Jordan Shipley as our 3rd round pick. He is drawing comparisons to Wes Welker already. Kind of easy to see why the way he runs double and triple/combo routes. Very instinctive. Also a very good return man. It will be interesting to see how he runs. I'm guessing in the 4.50 range.

cousinal11
01-08-2010, 05:29 AM
Buffalo (6-10)- Have a QB. Not much else, but they do have a QB.

Who?

Baba Booey
01-08-2010, 05:38 AM
McClain is an absolute stud. Fast, good size, and instincts. If Bradford doesn't fall to us he's on the top of my list.

Rohirrim
01-08-2010, 05:43 AM
I've felt he was 2nd-3rd round material before tonight and this doesn't change my opinion except to have my doctors check him out thoroughly if I'm serious about drafting him. 95% likely he'll be fine by draft day.

I think he said he could feel his shoulder because they tried to deaden the pain so they could put him back in but I guess they decided against it.

I'm mostly sad that the injury robbed us of what might have been a classic. Certainly, it's a whole different game if he doesn't get hurt and we'll never really know who was better.

Ha! I was just waiting for this from the Texas whiners. Alabama kicked their asses. The "3rd round material" McCoy would have made little difference. But at least the Texas whiners have something to whine about. If not this, it would have been penalties. Or the weather. Or global warming. Or something.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-08-2010, 05:53 AM
Come on Roh... McCoy is a pretty good QB. yes he has a good team around him, but the difference in level of play was obvious when the freshman took over for the winningest QB in college football history. I still think 'Bama would have won, but give credit where it's due.

As for McCoy, if he drops to us in the second, I'd swipe him in a heartbeat.

Rohirrim
01-08-2010, 05:54 AM
As far as the QB question goes, I wouldn't be at all surprised if none of these QBs goes in the first round. None of them are worth the price of a top ten pick. Suh, I've etched in stone as the Rams pick. If they take anybody else, they are morons. I really like McClain, but I'm also just as afraid the Broncos will be looking at him twice a year in mustard and red. I doubt he slips past five, especially after the combine. IMO, the pick for the Broncos is Mount Cody, unless they trade down. Although I'm not wild about a two down DT, he might represent the best value at the pick.

DivineLegion
01-08-2010, 05:57 AM
Last night I focused on Rolando McClain, very impressed. That guy has incredible instincts. Not sure an Inside LB is our greatest need, but that dude is the real deal. He already has the size to play effectively in a 3-4 defense. He is a film junky and the unquestioned leader of the Tide's top ranked defense. He has incredible instincts.

All that being said, I think there is more than a small chance that Brandon Spikes is available in the 2nd round. He too would be a great option and it would allow us to draft BPA (Berry/Bradford/McCoy) in the first.

Man, this draft is so incredibly deep. We could see players such as Taylor Mays fall into the late first round. When we're talking Brandon Spikes as a middle 2nd rounder, you kind of get an idea of just how deep this draft is.

Also, don't be surprised to see Joe Haden as our first round pick.

Don't be surprised to see Jordan Shipley as our 3rd round pick. He is drawing comparisons to Wes Welker already. Kind of easy to see why the way he runs double and triple/combo routes. Very instinctive. Also a very good return man. It will be interesting to see how he runs. I'm guessing in the 4.50 range.


Your dreaming if you think we are going to land Eric Berry he's going top 5 if his projected combine is for real (4.3 40).

I would actually like taking Joe Haden he reminds me a lot of Champ. I don't think this is where we need to go however.

Brian Price is the pick I'm looking for the kid is an animal and may be gone before we pick. If he is gone its a toss up between McClain or Hughes (LB out of TCU led the nation in sacks and TFL 6'4 267lbs 4.5-4.6 40). If Hughes runs a 4.5 I think he will be the first Linebacker off the board. He is an absolute animal, and one hell of a leader.

If we would of held off on drafting Alphonso Smith, and saved picks for this years draft we would be set for a long time. I still think Smith is going to develop into a good player, its just going to take time. Had we kept our first round pick however we would have been in position to take any combination of Hughes, Price, Hayden, McClain, Bradford (depending on how healthy he is for the combine), McCoy, you name it we had a shot. This draft is amazing right now on paper but 3 years from now it could turn out to be another 07' draft.

Needs:

DE: McBean played well at times and when he was out we missed him, we need to dominate the LOS.
DT: Fields was great this season I was thoroughly impressed but he wore down as the season went on, we need more depth.
G: If we want run the ball ever again we need better guard play and a prize left guard to complement Clady could set this team in the right direction.
C: This needs to be addressed ASAP, either we find someone in FA or we go after a kid who can start in the not so distant future...Weigman is on his last legs and dosent have the size we need to run this system.
ILB: Andre Davis is a Man Beast but we need to look at the future here and a guy like McClain at 10 is a cant miss pick.
CB: We have Andre Goodman locked up for 2 more years and I think Champ will retire a Bronco, but we need to start injecting this position with more youth.
FB: We still need a legitimate Fullback with instincts not ball skills. Look what Lusaca Polite did for the Dolphins this season.
P: If I see another 20 yrd punt I think I am going to puke.


1. LB (Value pick), DE
2. G
3. C
4. CB
6. FB
7. P

I have a strange feeling Vince Wilfork is going to hit the open market with the way Darth Hoodie was drafting last year and if we don't pick him up the Chiefs or the Chargers will. So I don't think DT is going to be a major need come April, we will see...It's going to be a fun offseason, this years draft is going to determine where this franchise goes in the next 5 years you can count on that.

Rohirrim
01-08-2010, 05:59 AM
Come on Roh... McCoy is a pretty good QB. yes he has a good team around him, but the difference in level of play was obvious when the freshman took over for the winningest QB in college football history. I still think 'Bama would have won, but give credit where it's due.

As for McCoy, if he drops to us in the second, I'd swipe him in a heartbeat.

I thought the freshman did a pretty good job, until the end. I don't think McCoy would have made a difference, except maybe in the point spread. The Alabama D won the game, just like they've been winning games all year. Look at McElroy. That guy looked worse than Griffith. As far as giving credit where it's due, I give credit to Texas fans because I know they would have been whining no matter what happened. What killed Texas was Mack Brown, not the loss of McCoy. An inside shovel pass by a freshman QB against Alabama's defense? That was pure moron. After that, it was just a matter of time.

elsid13
01-08-2010, 06:01 AM
Come on Roh... McCoy is a pretty good QB. yes he has a good team around him, but the difference in level of play was obvious when the freshman took over for the winningest QB in college football history. I still think 'Bama would have won, but give credit where it's due.

As for McCoy, if he drops to us in the second, I'd swipe him in a heartbeat.

McCoy is Plummer 2.0. So at best he 2nd round to begin with. He was very successful QB in college, but also played in system that made his numbers look good and was surround with NFL physical talented players that helped.

McCoy needs to go a system that allows him to get out of the pocket and emphasis a short passing attack.

SoDak Bronco
01-08-2010, 06:05 AM
mt cody will no be drafted by denver at 10/11. With Bradford and Clausen both going in the top ten, plus 2 DTs, plus 2-3 OTS, Berry,Spiller, possibly Morgan from GT..McClain also will be going in the range that we are drafting. Cody will probably be drafted in the late to early 2nd.

DivineLegion
01-08-2010, 06:05 AM
McCoy is Plummer 2.0. So at best he 2nd round to begin with. He was very successful QB in college, but also played in system that made his numbers look good and was surround with NFL physical talented players that helped.

McCoy needs to go a system that allows him to get out of the pocket and emphasis a short passing attack.

Same can be said for Bradford 75% of his passes were 5 yards or less, to be honest he would be a great fit for our offense. I'm really not impressed with this QB class at all.

elsid13
01-08-2010, 06:10 AM
Same can be said for Bradford 75% of his passes were 5 yards or less, to be honest he would be a great fit for our offense. I'm really not impressed with this QB class at all.

I am not a fan of Bradford either. I am with you on this class. It to bad that Locker, Mallet, Foles, Luck aren't coming out. If we do draft a QB this season I am hoping for John Skelton, Rusty Smith or Sean Canifield late.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-08-2010, 06:10 AM
McCoy is Plummer 2.0. So at best he 2nd round to begin with. He was very successful QB in college, but also played in system that made his numbers look good and was surround with NFL physical talented players that helped.

McCoy needs to go a system that allows him to get out of the pocket and emphasis a short passing attack.

Ahem.

Sounds like... us...?

DivineLegion
01-08-2010, 06:13 AM
I am not a fan of Bradford either. I am with you on this class. It to bad that Locker, Mallet, Foles, Luck aren't coming out. If we do draft a QB this season I am hoping for John Skelton, Rusty Smith or Sean Canifield late.

I heard on ESPN Radio today that Mallet is coming out, I'm going to have to check on this.

***

Never mind I was thinking of Sneed from Ole Miss.

elsid13
01-08-2010, 06:13 AM
Ahem.

Sounds like... us...?

Expect that McDonalds wants his QBs in the pocket and doesn't role them out.

elsid13
01-08-2010, 06:14 AM
I heard on ESPN Radio today that Mallet is coming out, I'm going to have to check on this.

Amazing arm and very good accuracy once he gets in rhythm. The QB I would stay away from is Snead. Rumor is that has Kerry Collins issues.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-08-2010, 06:15 AM
I thought Mallett was coming out? Or there have been rumors, at least. I've seen him on a number of recent mocks.

McClain is the real deal, though. Those thinking Patrick Wills-type guarantee may be right. The kid is a freak, a great leader (if a teammate was skipping class, he'd go to their dorm, pull them off the Xbox and lead them into class) and would be a great addition to this defense. Have him learn NFL-type leadership from Champ and Dawkins for a year and you have yourself a stud at the #10 pick. My worry is Jacksonville winning that coin toss and nabbing him just before Denver.

Rabb
01-08-2010, 06:16 AM
I was also paying special attention to McClain since we may be able to land him and wow, WANT

DivineLegion
01-08-2010, 06:17 AM
Amazing arm and very good accuracy once he gets in rhythm. The QB I would stay away from is Snead. Rumor is that has Kerry Collins issues.

Plural, good the only one I remember hearing the most about was his apatite for liqueur. This is by no means a jest at any of the BS drama fling that goes on around here about drinking either, I mean Collins when he was with the Panthers lived in a Bottle.

hookemhess
01-08-2010, 06:22 AM
I don't think McCoy would have made a difference, except maybe in the point spread.

Yeah, because All-American, Heisman candidate, 4-year starting, all-time winningest QB's rarely make a difference for a team's offense. Especially when you replace him with an 18-year old true freshman who has thrown 26 career passes. :wave:

LonghornBronco
01-08-2010, 06:22 AM
Roh.. what are you smoking? Gilbert did not play well. Threw a bone headed pick six on what should have been the last play of the half. Before that could not convert a first down for what 4 series'. Then when he finally got the butterflys out, turns it over on the 1.... I think Colt could have done a little (sarcasm on) better don't you think. Also I don't think you will hear any whining from UT they always have showed class in victory and defeat. Which is more than I can say for your college team.

DivineLegion
01-08-2010, 06:22 AM
Sid, Canfield is an interesting prospect. The kid I really want out of Oregon State is that Guard, could you imagine that kid next to Clady...mmmmm.

elsid13
01-08-2010, 06:30 AM
Sid, Canfield is an interesting prospect. The kid I really want out of Oregon State is that Guard, could you imagine that kid next to Clady...mmmmm.

Who are you talking about?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-08-2010, 06:32 AM
Roh.. what are you smoking? Gilbert did not play well. Threw a bone headed pick six on what should have been the last play of the half. Before that could not convert a first down for what 4 series'. Then when he finally got the butterflys out, turns it over on the 1.... I think Colt could have done a little (sarcasm on) better don't you think. Also I don't think you will hear any whining from UT they always have showed class in victory and defeat. Which is more than I can say for your college team.

To be fair, that pick six was not his fault. Poor play call, and the ball was bobbled by the runner and just took a lucky bounce into the Alabama guy's hands.

Texas' OC must have a huge boner this morning; the second half that true freshman looked exceptional for the most part. He's got a long way to go, but there's no trial by fire better than what I saw last night, and he did very well to answer the call.

oubronco
01-08-2010, 06:52 AM
Same can be said for Bradford 75% of his passes were 5 yards or less, to be honest he would be a great fit for our offense. I'm really not impressed with this QB class at all.

You don't watch alot of OU football do you? They throw the football all over the field and use the 10-15 yd passes alot

oubronco
01-08-2010, 06:55 AM
Roh.. what are you smoking? Gilbert did not play well. Threw a bone headed pick six on what should have been the last play of the half. Before that could not convert a first down for what 4 series'. Then when he finally got the butterflys out, turns it over on the 1.... I think Colt could have done a little (sarcasm on) better don't you think. Also I don't think you will hear any whining from UT they always have showed class in victory and defeat. Which is more than I can say for your college team.

That was on the running back he was bobbling it and knocked to Dareus, it wasn't like Gilbert threw it to Dareus

SoonerBronco
01-08-2010, 06:55 AM
Same can be said for Bradford 75% of his passes were 5 yards or less, to be honest he would be a great fit for our offense. I'm really not impressed with this QB class at all.


False. Sam Bradford averaged 14 yards percompletion over his career.

oubronco
01-08-2010, 06:56 AM
Hey Sooner whats up

elsid13
01-08-2010, 06:58 AM
False. Sam Bradford averaged 14 yards percompletion over his career.

How does YPA 9.15 (07), 9.77 (08) and 8.15 (09) average up to 14?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188934

Is that sooner math?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-08-2010, 07:00 AM
Expect that McDonalds wants his QBs in the pocket and doesn't role them out.

I disagree. He did plenty of rollouts with Brady and Cassel, and I think he definitely wants someone who can buy time within the pocket.

Rohirrim
01-08-2010, 07:00 AM
Hey, the world is a happy place today. The SEC has another national championship and the Texans have their excuses. All is right with the world. ;D

elsid13
01-08-2010, 07:14 AM
I disagree. He did plenty of rollouts with Brady and Cassel, and I think he definitely wants someone who can buy time within the pocket.

Huh? Neither Brady or Cassel roll out. Both move around in the pocket, but they don't get to the edge and make play outside the pocket unless they are flushed.

gyldenlove
01-08-2010, 07:25 AM
Unless it keeps him from participating in offseason activities it will have little effect. If he needs to rehab all the way through training camp and preseason he will drop, but not much, he will in no way go lower than where Freeman did last year.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-08-2010, 07:42 AM
Huh? Neither Brady or Cassel roll out. Both move around in the pocket, but they don't get to the edge and make play outside the pocket unless they are flushed.

Not all the time, but they do roll them out on occasion. At least once or twice a game.

Smiling Assassin27
01-08-2010, 07:46 AM
False. Sam Bradford averaged 14 yards percompletion over his career.

y'all are talking past each other. one is talking about yds per COMPLETION and one is talking about yds per ATTEMPT from what I can tell.

TheDave
01-08-2010, 07:49 AM
I think Colt was always a 2nd - 3rd round pick... this didn't change that.

Garcia Bronco
01-08-2010, 07:52 AM
Colt is a pussy. How he could let his teammates down like that is beyond me.

Smiling Assassin27
01-08-2010, 07:53 AM
and for the record, I wanted Alabama to pummel UT. that said, i have no doubt that mccoy would've changed the pace of the game and thus the result. i don't see Bama dominating on defense in quite the same way as they did with mccoy out. things like field position and time of possession would have been dramatically different with mccoy in there, but injury is part of the game. if he'd rather tap out to benefit his draft status, so be it, but mack and all those who kept him on the side will now live with the consequence.

Props to Bama. There are a number of guys on defense that I'd love to see in bronco camp. Cody seems to be the most realistic, but maybe we land mcclain somehow. Stranger things have happened.

Smiling Assassin27
01-08-2010, 07:54 AM
Colt is a p***Y. How he could let his teammates down like that is beyond me.

in all fairness, what was being reported is that colt was pleading to get back in there, but mack and daddy mccoy shut him down to protect his draft stock.

_Oro_
01-08-2010, 08:02 AM
I look around for some video on him, have any?

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Garcia Bronco
01-08-2010, 08:02 AM
in all fairness, what was being reported is that colt was pleading to get back in there, but mack and daddy mccoy shut him down to protect his draft stock.

I'd just walk out there and play...what's Ego Brown gonna do? Throw me off the team? LOL

TheChamp24
01-08-2010, 08:19 AM
This is pure karma for all the Texas fans dissing on the OU faithful when Bradford went down and OU's season was basically done at that point.

Anyways, I always felt Colt was a 2nd round prospect. He has good accuracy, good mobility, but I question how his decision making will be in the NFL.

misturanderson
01-08-2010, 08:43 AM
McClain was amazing last night. If there is one quality that a middle linebacker needs to have, above all else, it's instincts. Followed closely by leadership and the dude has both in spades. Add on that he is above average athletically (not even close to Patrick Willis athletically, but still good) and he seems like a can't miss prospect.

I would sat that Berry is probably the only top 10 prospect with less bust potential.

WolfpackGuy
01-08-2010, 09:05 AM
Buffalo (6-10)- Have a QB. Not much else, but they do have a QB.

Who?

I hope they don't mean Fitzpatrick!

Smiling Assassin27
01-08-2010, 09:07 AM
I'd just walk out there and play...what's Ego Brown gonna do? Throw me off the team? LOL


No need to go 'Brett Favre' in the last game of your storied career! ;D

SoonerBronco
01-08-2010, 09:15 AM
How does YPA 9.15 (07), 9.77 (08) and 8.15 (09) average up to 14?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188934

Is that sooner math?

I was talking per completion, hopefully you figured that out. If his average completion is 14 yards and average per attempt is 9, then there is no way 75% of his passes are 5 yards or less.

Everyone here calls me a ball sucking homer, but I could care less. I get tired of the misinformation that gets spewed here about Bradford, and when I make a simple statement I get "sooner math" or some other personal attack thrown my way. But, that's the way most here seem to operate, so I hope you feel smarter, or better, or whatever you need to pad your inadequacies...

Rohirrim
01-08-2010, 09:17 AM
Bradford has a really big head, so he's got that going for him.

elsid13
01-08-2010, 09:28 AM
I was talking per completion, hopefully you figured that out. If his average completion is 14 yards and average per attempt is 9, then there is no way 75% of his passes are 5 yards or less.

Everyone here calls me a ball sucking homer, but I could care less. I get tired of the misinformation that gets spewed here about Bradford, and when I make a simple statement I get "sooner math" or some other personal attack thrown my way. But, that's the way most here seem to operate, so I hope you feel smarter, or better, or whatever you need to pad your inadequacies...

First of all it was joke, so get over it. That how the mane operates everyone get **** thrown their way.

Now onto Bradford, he was very good college QB, but there are many questions about him when you project him playing in NFL style system. OU offense is designed to work against college defense which are not as talented or deep as even the crappiest NFL team. Coming from a spread offense helps any QB understand what coverages he facing, adding in the fact that OU 95% of time has more NFL potential talent on its roster then its opponents also inflates how good he looks.

His pluses
- Appear to be understand the system he works under and what it calls from him to do
- Has decent mobility inside the pocket
- good mechanics
- adequate NFL size

His negatives
- Played in spread offense that didn't require him to make NFL style throws
- Also will need to learn how to play under center
- Arm strength is NFL average
- Coming off injury to his throwing shoulder
- Played behind offense line that gave time for his receivers time to undercover. Will need to speed up his decision making in the NFL because of the talent he will be facing.
- not a threat to take off and run if the play breaks down.

Pony Boy
01-08-2010, 09:43 AM
Bradford has a really big head, so he's got that going for him.

There are lots of high school teams that now run the Prairie Dog Offense named after Sam Bradford, he does look like a prairie dog with a big head when he looks over to the side line for the play.....

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2010, 10:18 AM
As far as the QB question goes, I wouldn't be at all surprised if none of these QBs goes in the first round. None of them are worth the price of a top ten pick. Suh, I've etched in stone as the Rams pick. If they take anybody else, they are morons. I really like McClain, but I'm also just as afraid the Broncos will be looking at him twice a year in mustard and red. I doubt he slips past five, especially after the combine. IMO, the pick for the Broncos is Mount Cody, unless they trade down. Although I'm not wild about a two down DT, he might represent the best value at the pick.

STL will take a QB.

Rohirrim
01-08-2010, 10:24 AM
STL will take a QB.

Spags will take a QB? Right. If they do, they deserve to have the number one pick next year as well. There will be plenty of servicable QBs at pick #33. None of the QBs in this draft are worth a top ten pick.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2010, 10:32 AM
First of all it was joke, so get over it. That how the mane operates everyone get **** thrown their way.

Now onto Bradford, he was very good college QB, but there are many questions about him when you project him playing in NFL style system. OU offense is designed to work against college defense which are not as talented or deep as even the crappiest NFL team. Coming from a spread offense helps any QB understand what coverages he facing, adding in the fact that OU 95% of time has more NFL potential talent on its roster then its opponents also inflates how good he looks.

I think that this is the generic opinion of someone who tries to minimize Bradford. Yes, Bradford did run a spread...but so does Peyton Manning and so does Tom Brady. Those are the two best QB's in the NFL over the past 10 years. Who do scouts project Bradford as? A Peyton Manning/Brady type. Is that bad? HECK no. In fact, Bradford was a distinguished leader of the Manning-style offense. Would a player with 3/4 the ability of Manning be drafted first overall? Its highly possible.

His pluses
- Appear to be understand the system he works under and what it calls from him to do
- Has decent mobility inside the pocket
- good mechanics
- adequate NFL size

You forgot:
-good pocket presence
-quick release
-elite level accuracy
-capable of making accurate throws at all levels of the field
-good arm strength
-good size (6'4" as a QB is not bad at all)
-good frame capable of growth
-intelligence on and off the field
-shows excellent leadership abilities
-able to diagnose and make reads
-although he plays from the pocket, has shown the ability to move around and make plays

His negatives
- Played in spread offense that didn't require him to make NFL style throws

I dont see how you can say something like this when Oklahoma runs a complicated offense with every route and isolation in the playbook.

- Also will need to learn how to play under center
I doubt that a player of Bradford's intelligence level and motivation level will have trouble with this. He ran the offense from under center occasionally at OU. You can find that tape if you look for it.

- Arm strength is NFL average
This isnt necessarily even a negative. "NFL average" puts him in the class of Drew Brees and Tom Brady just as much as it does with Kyle Orton and Chad Pennington.

- Coming off injury to his throwing shoulder
This is probably the only negative that you have listed that is really something that scouts will consider, and they'll have better info on it than we will.

epicSocialism4tw
01-08-2010, 10:34 AM
Spags will take a QB? Right. If they do, they deserve to have the number one pick next year as well. There will be plenty of servicable QBs at pick #33. None of the QBs in this draft are worth a top ten pick.

We'll see.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-08-2010, 10:35 AM
I was talking per completion, hopefully you figured that out. If his average completion is 14 yards and average per attempt is 9, then there is no way 75% of his passes are 5 yards or less.


When you're talking about yds per completion and he's talking about how far the passes traveled to the WR so YAC isn't factored in yet, both of you could actually be right.

TheChamp24
01-08-2010, 11:36 AM
First of all it was joke, so get over it. That how the mane operates everyone get **** thrown their way.

Now onto Bradford, he was very good college QB, but there are many questions about him when you project him playing in NFL style system. OU offense is designed to work against college defense which are not as talented or deep as even the crappiest NFL team. Coming from a spread offense helps any QB understand what coverages he facing, adding in the fact that OU 95% of time has more NFL potential talent on its roster then its opponents also inflates how good he looks.

Oh boy, another misinformed person regarding Sam Bradford. Lets get going on the negatives you have against Bradford.

His negatives
- Played in spread offense that didn't require him to make NFL style throws

WTF is a NFL style throw? He threw out patterns, he threw streaks, he threw fly patters, corners, posts, ins, hooks, flat route patterns, so I guess those aren't NFL style throws? He can make every throw, this is just made up hate against him for OU's style of offense.

- Also will need to learn how to play under center

This is idiotic because, for one, OU does run plays under center occasionally. Second, it won't be freakin Rocket Science.

- Arm strength is NFL average

People get too carried away with arm strength. You don't need a freakin cannon, and Bradford's arm strength is good enough.

- Coming off injury to his throwing shoulder

Durability concern, I can understand this. One thing that does actually worry me and wants to see how he does prior to the draft and next season. Also why I think whoever drafts him should let him sit for a year to get further prepared.

- Played behind offense line that gave time for his receivers time to undercover. Will need to speed up his decision making in the NFL because of the talent he will be facing.

Not his fault he hit the open receiver or gave his WR to make a play nearly all of the time. I do think he will do just fine though.

- not a threat to take off and run if the play breaks down.

Why is this a negative? So he doesn't run like Vince Young, big deal. He made some big runs plenty of times, no he isn't a big threat, but don't think he isn't mobile enough to pick up decent yards if a play breaks down.

LonghornBronco
01-08-2010, 12:25 PM
That was on the running back he was bobbling it and knocked to Dareus, it wasn't like Gilbert threw it to Dareus

I don't know it looked like the backfield was way too crowded for him to pull the trigger. Mac also said in his interview as he was walking to the lockeroom at half time that the play was a safe call and that the QB either throws the shovel pass or grounds it in the dirt at the rb feet if it's not there. I believe the correct read was to ground the ball.

LonghornBronco
01-08-2010, 12:28 PM
Colt is a p***Y. How he could let his teammates down like that is beyond me.

I heard he took the needle but had no feeling in his hand... how is that letting the team down?!?!

hookemhess
01-08-2010, 02:37 PM
Colt is a p***Y. How he could let his teammates down like that is beyond me.

Word out of the locker room is that he tried to throw it, but couldn't even his his dad 10 feet away. The arm strength was there, but he had no control over the ball.

DivineLegion
01-08-2010, 03:25 PM
False. Sam Bradford averaged 14 yards percompletion over his career.

Hmmm, what was the average yards after catch for his receivers?

jebures
01-08-2010, 03:28 PM
Looked like a jammed shoulder. Considering this is his last game and he is going to be drafted, why make it worse?


:Broncos:

If he cannot feel his arm it is not a jammed shoulder, the fact he couldnt feel his arm is a neurologic issue. He could have injured his brachial plexus or even did something with his neck that cause him to lose feeling in the arm.

watermock
01-08-2010, 03:36 PM
Even if Colt falls to the early second, Beavis won't pick him. Just a gut feeling.

I guarantee this, his shoulder is more sound than Bradfords.

Hamrob
01-08-2010, 05:28 PM
We won't take a QB in the first 3 rounds. I feel positive of that. Orton is McDaniels guy and his scapegoat for next season!

watermock
01-08-2010, 06:12 PM
No way.

Beavis thinks he can make cake from crap, maybe he can, but I doubt it with Royal, Gaffney and Graham.

Benching Marshall AND Scheff was SO immature as to boggle the mind.

Wiess and Mangini make a nice tandem. boy, look out.

The team to look out for is KC.

Oh, maybe we shouldn't of looked past them THIS year. WTF?

Go on and think Beavis is going to make a 6th rounder a QB or Moreno a 1500 yard rusher.

I don't like it, just sayin'.

The NFC East is alot weaker tham most people think.

AbileneBroncoFan
01-08-2010, 09:00 PM
Our first priority is to resign Elvis Dumervil. Then we need to sign Wilfork and Mankins if NE chooses not to. I am praying that Shanahan makes a call regarding Marshall and we somehow get their #1 pick so that I can still root for the two of them and we can improve our team at the same time. If that were to happen, we could look at Berry or Hayden at #4 and McClain at #10. Suddenly the defense goes from being older and weaker to young, fast, and aggressive.

If Colt McCoy falls into our lap in the 2nd round, we have to take a look at him. This is a guy who never missed a start, works harder than anyone else, puts the team first, and has no ego. He is exactly the kind of quarterback McDaniels would want. No, he's not 6'5". No he doesn't have a laser for an arm. If you want that, I'm sure we can trade for JaMarcus Russell. After watching Jay Cutler be the prototypical QB for us and not winning a damn thing, I am convinced we need a quarterback who can do three things above all others: 1. be an outstanding leader, on and off the field. 2. be the hardest worker on the entire team, regardless of position or star status. 3. be able to complete key passes on 3rd and 7 in the 4th quarter. McCoy can do all of those things, plus he has that knack for finding a way to win, even if the team isn't playing it's best. I would not advocate taking him in the first round over stud defensive players, but if he is available in the 2nd, that's incredible value. He could sit on the bench for a year or two and learn the offense and be ready to be a big time leader and contributor. This team has had the attitude of being quitters and excuse makers for too long, and someone like McCoy would go a long way to reversing that trend.

As for the "system" argument some people are using describing him and Bradford, they did the same thing with Tom Brady while he was winning three Super Bowls. Matt Leinart ran a pro system coming out of USC and he's trash. I don't think we need a prima donna who can make the highlight play. We need a guy who consistently makes the right play. And a defensive line that's worth a damn.

watermock
01-08-2010, 09:08 PM
It sure ould be nice to have those 3 picks to pick up McCoy if his diagnosis is just nerve trauma.

AbileneBroncoFan
01-08-2010, 09:14 PM
It sure ould be nice to have those 3 picks to pick up McCoy if his diagnosis is just nerve trauma.

We've hosed the Redskins before...

TheDave
01-08-2010, 09:15 PM
Our first priority is to resign Elvis Dumervil. Then we need to sign Wilfork and Mankins if NE chooses not to. I am praying that Shanahan makes a call regarding Marshall and we somehow get their #1 pick so that I can still root for the two of them and we can improve our team at the same time. If that were to happen, we could look at Berry or Hayden at #4 and McClain at #10. Suddenly the defense goes from being older and weaker to young, fast, and aggressive.

If Colt McCoy falls into our lap in the 2nd round, we have to take a look at him. This is a guy who never missed a start, works harder than anyone else, puts the team first, and has no ego. He is exactly the kind of quarterback McDaniels would want. No, he's not 6'5". No he doesn't have a laser for an arm. If you want that, I'm sure we can trade for JaMarcus Russell. After watching Jay Cutler be the prototypical QB for us and not winning a damn thing, I am convinced we need a quarterback who can do three things above all others: 1. be an outstanding leader, on and off the field. 2. be the hardest worker on the entire team, regardless of position or star status. 3. be able to complete key passes on 3rd and 7 in the 4th quarter. McCoy can do all of those things, plus he has that knack for finding a way to win, even if the team isn't playing it's best. I would not advocate taking him in the first round over stud defensive players, but if he is available in the 2nd, that's incredible value. He could sit on the bench for a year or two and learn the offense and be ready to be a big time leader and contributor. This team has had the attitude of being quitters and excuse makers for too long, and someone like McCoy would go a long way to reversing that trend.

As for the "system" argument some people are using describing him and Bradford, they did the same thing with Tom Brady while he was winning three Super Bowls. Matt Leinart ran a pro system coming out of USC and he's trash. I don't think we need a prima donna who can make the highlight play. We need a guy who consistently makes the right play. And a defensive line that's worth a damn.

The problem is he might not have enough arm to play on Sundays... The passing windows are significantly smaller in the nflthan they are when Texas is manahandleing baylor.

I agree you don't have to have Elways gun to play but he might be on the other side of that equation.

AbileneBroncoFan
01-08-2010, 09:33 PM
The problem is he might not have enough arm to play on Sundays... The passing windows are significantly smaller in the nflthan they are when Texas is manahandleing baylor.

I agree you don't have to have Elways gun to play but he might be on the other side of that equation.

Watch some film from Texas vs. Ohio State last year. Or vs. Oklahoma last year. He can make the big throws in the big situations.

TheDave
01-08-2010, 09:36 PM
Watch some film from Texas vs. Ohio State last year. Or vs. Oklahoma last year. He can make the big throws in the big situations.

I've watched a few of his game shis arm strength is suspect at best... Is is enouugh?

Maybe... but he is not a gaurantee by any means.

TexanBob
01-09-2010, 06:36 PM
Ha! I was just waiting for this from the Texas whiners. Alabama kicked their asses. The "3rd round material" McCoy would have made little difference. But at least the Texas whiners have something to whine about. If not this, it would have been penalties. Or the weather. Or global warming. Or something.

:rofl:

Only ignorant shiatheads cite global warming as an excuse for anything. Real men don't believe in global warming because any man with half a brain knows it is all a fraud.

gtown
01-09-2010, 07:39 PM
St. Louis (1-15) - Need a QB, likely going to take Clausen or Bradford here.
Detroit (2-14) - Drafted Stafford last year. Set at QB.
Tampa Bay (3-13)- Drafted Freeman last year, will not take another QB in the first three rounds.
Washington (4-12)- Campbell is a free agent, likely need a QB. Very possible they'll draft one here.
Kansas City (4-12)- Have Cassell on a massive deal. Doubt they'll draft a replacement high only one season after giving him that deal.
Seattle (5-11)- Probably need a QB. But need a lot in general and Hasselback is still good when healthy.
Cleveland (5-11)- Still have Anderson and Quinn. Might draft a QB, which will lead to the jettisoning of those two QBs for other teams to scoop up as backups.
Oakland (5-11)- Need a QB once again assuming they cut Russell. Can't imagine they don't.
Buffalo (6-10)- Have a QB. Not much else, but they do have a QB.
Jacksonville^ (7-9)- Have a pretty good QB, but might draft Tebow to help sell tickets.
Denver - from Chicago^ (7-9)- We got KO, not likely to take a QB in the first round at least.
Miami (7-9)- set at QB.
San Francisco (8-8)- look pretty good at QB with Alex Smith's resurgence.
Seattle - from Denver (8-8)- see pick #6.
New York Giants (8-8)- set at QB.
Tennessee^ (8-8)- Vince Young and Kerry Collins both under contract still.
San Francisco - from Carolina^ (8-8) - see 13.
Pittsburgh (9-7) - set at QB.
Atlanta^ (9-7) - set at QB.
Houston^ (9-7) - set at QB (or so it seems a least).
New York Jets* (9-7)- set at QB.
Baltimore* (9-7)- set at QB.
Arizona* (10-6)- set at QB.
Green Bay* (11-5) - set at QB.
Cincinnati* (10-6) - set at QB.
New England* (10-6) - set at QB.
Philadelphia* (11-5)- set at QB.
Dallas* (11-5)- set at QB.
Minnesota* (12-4) - set at QB.
San Diego* (13-3)- set at QB.
New Orleans* (13-3) - set at QB.
Indianapolis* (14-2) - set at QB.




This is the most signficant list I have seen on the mane in a while.

Rohirrim
01-10-2010, 12:24 AM
:rofl:

Only ignorant shiatheads cite global warming as an excuse for anything. Real men don't believe in global warming because any man with half a brain knows it is all a fraud.

Regarding Texas fans, I guess you're making my point for me. Thanks. :welcome: