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Dagmar
01-06-2010, 11:20 AM
Voting for the 2009 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year selected by The Associated Press in balloting by a nationwide panel of the media:

Percy Harvin, WR-KR, Minnesota 41
Michael Oher, T, Baltimore 6
Jeremy Maclin, WR-KR, Philadelphhia 1
Knowshon Moreno, RB, Denver 1
Mike Wallace, WR, Pittsburgh 1

I just know the posters who will be in here to tear Knowshon a new one. Sigh.

gtown
01-06-2010, 11:22 AM
We know who Woody bet for.

TheDave
01-06-2010, 11:23 AM
Percy was VERY deserving of this...

PRBronco
01-06-2010, 11:27 AM
No votes for QBs at all, nice!

bowtown
01-06-2010, 11:33 AM
Hillis not getting this is a crime.

gyldenlove
01-06-2010, 11:36 AM
I am not sure when 790 receiving yards and 100 rushing yards became good enough to be OROY. This has to be one of the most pathetic offensive outputs ever by an OROY, Royal had a lot better numbers.

It is a shame that this years award goes to a special teams player. Knowshon had a lot more offensive yards and more TDs, but the winner should have been Oher.

jmz313
01-06-2010, 11:39 AM
Royal had better competition and Percy has the Great Brett on his team so....

He gets it cause hes most deserving.

Beantown Bronco
01-06-2010, 11:41 AM
This pretty much kicks the "East Coast Bias" crowd in the nuts, doesn't it.

bowtown
01-06-2010, 11:43 AM
This pretty much kicks the "East Coast Bias" crowd in the nuts, doesn't it.

Well that's because it's actually "East Coast and anything Brett Favre Bias."

tsiguy96
01-06-2010, 11:43 AM
some tweets from this morning by broncos PR;

psmyth12 (http://twitter.com/psmyth12)
Since the '70 merger, Moreno is 14th player to lead NFL rookies in rush yds., yards from scrim and total TDs. All other 13 named ROY. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/psmyth12/status/7447070970) from web

Reply (http://twitter.com/?status=@psmyth12&in_reply_to_status_id=7447070970&in_reply_to=psmyth12)
Retweet (http://twitter.com/#)

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/421330334/twitter_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/psmyth12) psmyth12 (http://twitter.com/psmyth12)
Moreno: 7th player in NFL over last 26 yrs to lead rookies in rush yds., yards from scrim. and total TDs. All other 6 named ROY. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/psmyth12/status/7447024400) from web

HEAV
01-06-2010, 11:44 AM
Harvin?

Oher? He's more know about for the movie than the player.

Voting must have happen durring mid-season. Knowshon had better numbers, Sanchez got his team to the playoffs...

Poor year for offensive Rookie players.

PRBronco
01-06-2010, 11:46 AM
some tweets from this morning by broncos PR;

psmyth12 (http://twitter.com/psmyth12)
Since the '70 merger, Moreno is 14th player to lead NFL rookies in rush yds., yards from scrim and total TDs. All other 13 named ROY. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/psmyth12/status/7447070970) from web

Reply (http://twitter.com/?status=@psmyth12&in_reply_to_status_id=7447070970&in_reply_to=psmyth12)
Retweet (http://twitter.com/#)

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/421330334/twitter_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/psmyth12) psmyth12 (http://twitter.com/psmyth12)
Moreno: 7th player in NFL over last 26 yrs to lead rookies in rush yds., yards from scrim. and total TDs. All other 6 named ROY. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/psmyth12/status/7447024400) from web

Cool facts, I had no idea. Too bad I heard on the mane that he's a bust.

DrFate
01-06-2010, 11:50 AM
Harvin helped get his team to the playoffs. Maybe that was an influencing factor...

HILife
01-06-2010, 11:53 AM
Well that's because it's actually "East Coast and anything Brett Favre, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning Bias."

Fixed it.

TheDave
01-06-2010, 11:53 AM
I don't think most of you saw him play... I only caught a couple of games but what I saw...WOW...the kid is a stud.

Bronco Boy
01-06-2010, 11:56 AM
Harvin is an awesome sprecial teams player as well. He deserved it easily.

WolfpackGuy
01-06-2010, 11:57 AM
Harvin did better than I thought he would.

Not sure how long he's going to be in the league though.

vancejohnson82
01-06-2010, 11:59 AM
Oher was very close to being benched midway through the season

jhns
01-06-2010, 12:00 PM
A thread always has great potential when you are a drama queen in the title.

Moreno is good but I can't argue with the pick. Harvin played well and made the playoffs. Good job Percy.

Broncoman13
01-06-2010, 12:00 PM
Percy Harvin was stellar this year. While his numbers were not as good as Eddie Royals, you can clearly see that Harvin is a more dynamic player. Excellent returner and a receiver that did a lot of damage in the 2nd half of the season. Had he not missed two or three games with migraines his numbers would have been even better. Unfortunately for Knowshon, his worst games were during the time that Harvin was having his best. In the long run, I'm glad we have who we have!!!

sixtimeseight
01-06-2010, 12:05 PM
the winner should have been Oher.

Why, because he had a movie made about him?

broncocalijohn
01-06-2010, 12:12 PM
nothing wrong with the pick. Not too many thought he could handle the NFL. Proves, so far, he has.

gyldenlove
01-06-2010, 12:21 PM
Why, because he had a movie made about him?

Are you kidding? A rookie playing RT and LT for a team with one of the best rushing attacks in the league. That is a lot better than a special teamer.

Do you think Josh Cribbs should get the offensive player of the year award? he is an awesome special teams player, he had more than 2500 total yards this year.

Bronco Boy
01-06-2010, 12:28 PM
Are you kidding? A rookie playing RT and LT for a team with one of the best rushing attacks in the league. That is a lot better than a special teamer.

Do you think Josh Cribbs should get the offensive player of the year award? he is an awesome special teams player, he had more than 2500 total yards this year.

I don't understand your logic at all. How many games did you actually watch Oher play?

sixtimeseight
01-06-2010, 12:34 PM
Obviously none.

McDman
01-06-2010, 12:51 PM
nothing wrong with the pick. Not too many thought he could handle the NFL. Proves, so far, he has.

You may have the best avatar I've ever seen.

I think Harvin was the most deserving, he was electrifying at times and definitely helped his team win a few games.

bowtown
01-06-2010, 12:58 PM
nothing wrong with the pick. Not too many thought he could handle the NFL. Proves, so far, he has.

Is your avatar a pic of Mike Mayock?

slyinky
01-06-2010, 01:12 PM
some tweets from this morning by broncos PR;

psmyth12 (http://twitter.com/psmyth12)
Since the '70 merger, Moreno is 14th player to lead NFL rookies in rush yds., yards from scrim and total TDs. All other 13 named ROY. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/psmyth12/status/7447070970) from web

Reply (http://twitter.com/?status=@psmyth12&in_reply_to_status_id=7447070970&in_reply_to=psmyth12)
Retweet (http://twitter.com/#)

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/421330334/twitter_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/psmyth12) psmyth12 (http://twitter.com/psmyth12)
Moreno: 7th player in NFL over last 26 yrs to lead rookies in rush yds., yards from scrim. and total TDs. All other 6 named ROY. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/psmyth12/status/7447024400) from web

Perhaps Moreno wasn't given more consideration because he had one of the worst ypc averages, 3.8, of any leading rusher in team history. Couple that with the fact that his teammate Correll Buckhalter averaged 5.4 ypc, or 1.6 more per, while compiling 642 yards rushing and, well...

tsiguy96
01-06-2010, 01:20 PM
Perhaps Moreno wasn't given more consideration because he had one of the worst ypc averages, 3.8, of any leading rusher in team history. Couple that with the fact that his teammate Correll Buckhalter averaged 5.4 ypc, or 1.6 more per, while compiling 642 yards rushing and, well...

i suppose you want to just look at stats and not bother talking about waht actually happened, which was moreno getting hit 2 yards in the backfield on almost every singel run. our oline got destroyed for the vast majority of the year and it showed with the running game.

ZachKC
01-06-2010, 01:22 PM
i suppose you want to just look at stats and not bother talking about waht actually happened, which was moreno getting hit 2 yards in the backfield on almost every singel run. our oline got destroyed for the vast majority of the year and it showed with the running game.

lol

Yea...right.

slyinky
01-06-2010, 01:31 PM
i suppose you want to just look at stats and not bother talking about waht actually happened, which was moreno getting hit 2 yards in the backfield on almost every singel run. our oline got destroyed for the vast majority of the year and it showed with the running game.

I replied to your post that was referencing...wait, what was it? Oh, yeah, stats. So, yeah, you want to throw out stats such as rushing yards, total yards and TD's, I see nothing wrong with countering the argument with, that's right, stats.

tsiguy96
01-06-2010, 01:32 PM
I replied to your post that was referencing...wait, what was it? Oh, yeah, stats. So, yeah, you want to throw out stats such as rushing yards, total yards and TD's, I see nothing wrong with countering the argument with, that's right, stats.

i didnt make those stats idiot i was just posting what someone else said.

moreno hasnt been great but his production has been ok especially given that he got hit 2 yards behidn the line on almost every single run. percy harvin was non existant for several games at a time.

OCBronco
01-06-2010, 01:35 PM
I'll throw a little love in the direction of my Adopt-a-Bronco.

For all of the griping about Moreno, he got much better as the season progressed. And in particular, he got much better at finding the endzone.

ZachKC
01-06-2010, 01:36 PM
I used to blame the Chiefs offensive line for Larry Johnson's ineptitude early in the season. Then Charles came along...

It isn't always the line.

slyinky
01-06-2010, 01:39 PM
i didnt make those stats idiot i was just posting what someone else said.

moreno hasnt been great but his production has been ok especially given that he got hit 2 yards behidn the line on almost every single run. percy harvin was non existant for several games at a time.

Idiot? Listen you little ignoramus, where did I say that you "made" those stats. You posted a tweet that some PR guy made and I responded with a counter argument. That's it, end of story, now pull the panties out of your ass.

watermock
01-06-2010, 01:45 PM
Harvin is the obvious choice, altho he has multiple injuries allready.

Moreno is a close 3rd.

watermock
01-06-2010, 01:52 PM
Idiot? Listen you little ignoramus, where did I say that you "made" those stats. You posted a tweet that some PR guy made and I responded with a counter argument. That's it, end of story, now pull the panties out of your ass.

Are you for real you downs child to put it kindly?

Oh, you tweet.

That makes you one step behind Paris Hilton.

Garcia Bronco
01-06-2010, 01:59 PM
He's the AP rookie of the year. I don't beleieve this is the official one anymore. The NFL OROY is sponcered by Pepsi.

slyinky
01-06-2010, 02:06 PM
Are you for real you downs child to put it kindly?

Oh, you tweet.

That makes you one step behind Paris Hilton.

Are you for real you downs child to put it kindly? Uhm, what? LOL

Oh, you tweet. Uh, I replied to a post that included a tweet. So therefore I tweet? Actually, no, I don't tweet.

That makes you one step behind Paris Hilton. Paris Hilton tweets? I wouldn't know because, well, I don't have a twitter account.

broncosteven
01-06-2010, 02:26 PM
I find a 59.2 YPG for a starting RB lame. It should be in the 70 or better.

Maybe he will get better with a year under his belt and a new line but he didn't seem to be explosive or quick once he got the ball and his vision was suspect.

I think he would make a good 10-15 carry guy but I don't see why they would want to build the run game around him.

Rashomon
01-06-2010, 03:21 PM
Voting for the 2009 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year selected by The Associated Press in balloting by a nationwide panel of the media:

Percy Harvin, WR-KR, Minnesota 41
Michael Oher, T, Baltimore 6
Jeremy Maclin, WR-KR, Philadelphhia 1
Knowshon Moreno, RB, Denver 1
Mike Wallace, WR, Pittsburgh 1

I just know the posters who will be in here to tear Knowshon a new one. Sigh.

That is a weak list compared to 2008. The top 4 last year were Matt Ryan, Chris Johnson, Ryan Clady, and Matt Forte.

elsid13
01-06-2010, 04:05 PM
Oher was very close to being benched midway through the season

No he wasn't. That was the other tackle Jathers.

vancejohnson82
01-06-2010, 04:37 PM
No he wasn't. That was the other tackle Jathers.

Nope...so was Oher...I can look it up in the Baltimore local newspapers if you want.

About midway through the season they were really down on his play...it was right around the time that we played them. I remember because I was telling my boy that he was a beast and explaining the book and his story to him and then the announcer came on and said that it was speculated that he was struggling and might be benched...it made me look like an ass

bpc
01-06-2010, 05:18 PM
Harvin deserved this award. Percy was explosive. Moreno was not.

Ratboy
01-06-2010, 05:36 PM
some tweets from this morning by broncos PR;

psmyth12 (http://twitter.com/psmyth12)
Since the '70 merger, Moreno is 14th player to lead NFL rookies in rush yds., yards from scrim and total TDs. All other 13 named ROY. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/psmyth12/status/7447070970) from web

Reply (http://twitter.com/?status=@psmyth12&in_reply_to_status_id=7447070970&in_reply_to=psmyth12)
Retweet (http://twitter.com/#)

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/421330334/twitter_normal.jpg (http://twitter.com/psmyth12) psmyth12 (http://twitter.com/psmyth12)
Moreno: 7th player in NFL over last 26 yrs to lead rookies in rush yds., yards from scrim. and total TDs. All other 6 named ROY. about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/psmyth12/status/7447024400) from web

Wow.

elsid13
01-06-2010, 05:44 PM
Nope...so was Oher...I can look it up in the Baltimore local newspapers if you want.

About midway through the season they were really down on his play...it was right around the time that we played them. I remember because I was telling my boy that he was a beast and explaining the book and his story to him and then the announcer came on and said that it was speculated that he was struggling and might be benched...it made me look like an ass

I really like to see that article because being in the NOVA/DC/Baltimore market, surround by Skins and Ravens fans that would be the first I heard of it.

Popps
01-06-2010, 06:35 PM
Cool facts, I had no idea. Too bad I heard on the mane that he's a bust.

Hilarious!

gyldenlove
01-06-2010, 08:04 PM
That is a weak list compared to 2008. The top 4 last year were Matt Ryan, Chris Johnson, Ryan Clady, and Matt Forte.

None of the players from this years OROY would have recieved any votes last year. Eddie Royals 980 yards and 91 receptions wasn't enough for a single vote.

strafen
01-06-2010, 08:05 PM
i suppose you want to just look at stats and not bother talking about waht actually happened, which was moreno getting hit 2 yards in the backfield on almost every singel run. our oline got destroyed for the vast majority of the year and it showed with the running game.That's hilarious :rofl:

Archer81
01-06-2010, 08:14 PM
That's hilarious :rofl:


Truth has a way to be funny.


:Broncos:

GoHAM
01-06-2010, 08:28 PM
Alright wtf does the phrase "come in and slate" mean anyway? I've been staring at the thread title all day and I can't make heads nor tails of it. Have I officially become old and I no longer understand today's lingo? Or was I dropped on my head as a child and cannot comprehend a common phrase in the English language?

Somebody help me.

And why is everybody getting their panties in a twist over a meaningless post season award? Was Knowshon truly that extraordinary of a player that his omission from a meaningless postseason award should cause us all to riot?

Remember that Mike Croel won a ROY award as well and that worked out great for us.

Archer81
01-06-2010, 08:32 PM
Alright wtf does the phrase "come in and slate" mean anyway? I've been staring at the thread title all day and I can't make heads nor tails of it. Have I officially become old and I no longer understand today's lingo? Or was I dropped on my head as a child and cannot comprehend a common phrase in the English language?

Somebody help me.

And why is everybody getting their panties in a twist over a meaningless post season award? Was Knowshon truly that extraordinary of a player that his omission from a meaningless postseason award should cause us all to riot?

Remember that Mike Croel won a ROY award as well and that worked out great for us.


He could mean rip on or otherwise criticize Knowshon.

slate1  /sleɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sleyt] Show IPA noun, verb, slat⋅ed, slat⋅ing.
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–noun 1. a fine-grained rock formed by the metamorphosis of clay, shale, etc., that tends to split along parallel cleavage planes, usually at an angle to the planes of stratification.
2. a thin piece or plate of this rock or a similar material, used esp. for roofing or as a writing surface.
3. a dull, dark bluish gray.
4. a list of candidates, officers, etc., to be considered for nomination, appointment, election, or the like.

–verb (used with object) 5. to cover with or as with slate.
6. to write or set down for nomination or appointment: the district leader slated for city judge.
7. to plan or designate (something) for a particular place and time; schedule: The premiere was slated for January.
8. to censure or criticize harshly or violently; scold.
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—Idiom10. clean slate, an unsullied record; a record marked by creditable conduct: to start over with a clean slate.


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400HZ
01-06-2010, 08:47 PM
I used to blame the Chiefs offensive line for Larry Johnson's ineptitude early in the season. Then Charles came along...

It isn't always the line.

Indeed. A good running back can make his linemen look really good.

GoHAM
01-06-2010, 08:48 PM
He could mean rip on or otherwise criticize Knowshon.

slate1  /sleɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sleyt] Show IPA noun, verb, slat⋅ed, slat⋅ing.
Use slate in a Sentence
See web results for slate
See images of slate
–noun 1. a fine-grained rock formed by the metamorphosis of clay, shale, etc., that tends to split along parallel cleavage planes, usually at an angle to the planes of stratification.
2. a thin piece or plate of this rock or a similar material, used esp. for roofing or as a writing surface.
3. a dull, dark bluish gray.
4. a list of candidates, officers, etc., to be considered for nomination, appointment, election, or the like.

–verb (used with object) 5. to cover with or as with slate.
6. to write or set down for nomination or appointment: the district leader slated for city judge.
7. to plan or designate (something) for a particular place and time; schedule: The premiere was slated for January.
8. to censure or criticize harshly or violently; scold.
9. to punish severely.

—Idiom10. clean slate, an unsullied record; a record marked by creditable conduct: to start over with a clean slate.


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Thanks, learn something new everyday. I have honestly never heard that usage before. :hitself:

Archer81
01-06-2010, 08:57 PM
Thanks, learn something new everyday. I have honestly never heard that usage before. :hitself:


Neither had I. Went to dictionary.com and there it was.


:Broncos:

Dagmar
01-06-2010, 09:46 PM
Alright wtf does the phrase "come in and slate" mean anyway? I've been staring at the thread title all day and I can't make heads nor tails of it. Have I officially become old and I no longer understand today's lingo? Or was I dropped on my head as a child and cannot comprehend a common phrase in the English language?

Somebody help me.

And why is everybody getting their panties in a twist over a meaningless post season award? Was Knowshon truly that extraordinary of a player that his omission from a meaningless postseason award should cause us all to riot?

Remember that Mike Croel won a ROY award as well and that worked out great for us.

8. to censure or criticize harshly or violently; scold.

Perhaps used by Scots more than Yanks, sorry to have ruined your whole day...http://th09.deviantart.net/fs5/150/i/2004/356/8/2/Mr_Blank_Stare_by_lukeroberts.jpg

montrose
01-06-2010, 10:04 PM
To me, Knowshon showed more explosion in those first carries against SF than he did the rest of the season with his sprained MCL. I'm no doctor, but it's my understanding that it does take time and rest to fully heal that injury. I'm excited to see what Knowshon can do in year two with a (hopefully) improved interior OL, a healthier body and a year of experience.

Archer81
01-06-2010, 11:41 PM
Perhaps used by Scots more than Yanks, sorry to have ruined your whole day...http://th09.deviantart.net/fs5/150/i/2004/356/8/2/Mr_Blank_Stare_by_lukeroberts.jpg


English is english. I can say I learned something new on my Christmas break. Gracias.

:Broncos:

Drek
01-07-2010, 04:01 AM
I used to blame the Chiefs offensive line for Larry Johnson's ineptitude early in the season. Then Charles came along...

It isn't always the line.

Great, so you have no ability to understand what you see on a football field.

Those of us who do saw how Ben Hamilton, Casey Weigmann, Russ Hochstein, and Tyler Polumbus all had problems doing their jobs in the running game.

Moreno looked good for a rookie fighting through as much traffic as he did nearly every carry. Not amazing, but he showed a lot of promise coupled with above average productivity out of the gate. Give him a fullback who knows his assignments, a couple extra OLs who can get legitimate push, and more familiarity with the offense and he could do some pretty impressive things.

montrose
01-07-2010, 04:59 AM
Great, so you have no ability to understand what you see on a football field.

Those of us who do saw how Ben Hamilton, Casey Weigmann, Russ Hochstein, and Tyler Polumbus all had problems doing their jobs in the running game.

Moreno looked good for a rookie fighting through as much traffic as he did nearly every carry. Not amazing, but he showed a lot of promise coupled with above average productivity out of the gate. Give him a fullback who knows his assignments, a couple extra OLs who can get legitimate push, and more familiarity with the offense and he could do some pretty impressive things.

Sitting up in the 500's with the coaches cam view this season, I can say that the Broncos' OL played pretty poorly in the run game. Losing Harris hurt even more. While their were some cutback plays occassionally, for the most part Moreno really didn't have anywhere to go on a lot of those 0-2 yard runs. To me, it seemed like this was a combination of predictable playcalling (which I can only assume was trying to set the culture) and an OL built for the ZB and a mobile QB playing a man-blocking scheme with an immobile QB. Buck was able to pop some longer runs as he was able to run some more of the ZB plays as well as runs to the outside while Moreno was thrown up the middle with the ocassional off tackle or outside run. If Harris is healthy and the Broncos can improve the interior-3, I think you'll see a lot more production in the run game. I'm not so sure we'll see a ton of the FB though as, ideally, in McD offense - he wouldn't need one outside of short yardage and goal line work. For Moreno, he needs to get himself healthy and spend a lot of time in the film room to make a big jump in year two. Hopefully another year in the system for Orton will help him to as not only was Moreno open and missed on a lot of check downs this year, but stretching the defense a little more often should open up the run game a smidge, I would think.

rastaman
01-07-2010, 05:02 AM
Hillis not getting this is a crime.

Perhaps Moreno can get Rookie of the Year next year. Would that make you feel better?:D

bowtown
01-07-2010, 07:39 AM
Perhaps Moreno can get Rookie of the Year next year. Would that make you feel better?:D

No, Hillis should win it next year easily over Moreno.

fontaine
01-07-2010, 08:57 AM
Great, so you have no ability to understand what you see on a football field.

Those of us who do saw how Ben Hamilton, Casey Weigmann, Russ Hochstein, and Tyler Polumbus all had problems doing their jobs in the running game.

Moreno looked good for a rookie fighting through as much traffic as he did nearly every carry. Not amazing, but he showed a lot of promise coupled with above average productivity out of the gate. Give him a fullback who knows his assignments, a couple extra OLs who can get legitimate push, and more familiarity with the offense and he could do some pretty impressive things.

Agreed those things would be ideal but let's face it, most teams in the NFL don't have 5 good OL that all do their jobs and a solid FB to boot.

Maybe if Moreno was a 2nd day pick I would agree with you, but he was the first RB taken and I expected a lot more from him. Guys like that are expected to be difference makers rather than relying on the OL/FBs etc to all be in place before they can make an impact.

More than anything, I just want Moreno to improve his vision and ability to hit the hole quick and hard. KC's OL is average at best but Charles' ability to hit the hole quickly and accelerate meant he took advantage of even small holes/creases and was amongst the LBers immediately.

Moreno did not.