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Ramathorn
01-05-2010, 05:38 PM
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Mike Shanahan reaches deal to coach Redskins
By Mike Klis
The Denver Post

Posted: 01/05/2010 05:10:38 PM MST
Updated: 01/05/2010 05:18:30 PM MST


Mike Shanahan, left, is again part of the active coaching ranks in the NFL, with Bill Belichick. (Robert Klein)Mike Shanahan has reached an agreement in principal to become the new head coach of the Washington Redskins, according to sources familiar with the negotiations.

The Redskins are making plans for Shanahan to sign his contract and announce his hiring Wednesday.

The hiring should be well received by Broncos owner Pat Bowlen who figures to save roughly $7 million now that his coach from 1995-2008 has landed elsewhere.

Shanahan is to receive a five-year contract from the Redskins at approximately the same salary he had during his final contract with the Broncos. He was drawing approximately $7 million a year with Denver — and still had three years remaining on his deal when he was fired nearly a year ago.

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The Broncos will pay approximately $3.5 million each in 2010 and 2011 to essentially have Shanahan coach the Redskins. Then again, Bowlen will also save roughly $3.5 million each of the next two years now that their former coach is no longer unemployed.

With the Redskins, Shanahan will work in concert with general manager Bruce Allen much as he did in Denver with Broncos general manager Ted Sundquist from 2002-07. During that six-year Shanahan-Sundquist run, the Broncos compiled five consecutive winning seasons, three consecutive playoff appearances, and a 58-38 record. The Broncos went 13-3 and hosted the AFC championship game in 2005 — the last time they played in the postseason.

In that business partnership, Sundquist oversaw the draft, contracts and roster construction, but Shanahan had final say authority on every decision.

Shanahan, who will turn 58 during the 2010 preseason, has a 154-103 record, including playoffs, as an NFL head coach, including an 8-12 mark from 1988-89 with the Los Angles Raiders. He guided the Broncos to back-to-back Super Bowl titles in 1997-98, but with quarterback John Elway retiring after the 1998 season, Shanahan guided the Broncos to only one playoff victory in their next 10 seasons.

Mike Klis: 303-954-1055 or mklis@denverpost.com



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_Oro_
01-05-2010, 05:39 PM
5 yr.s ... not a bad gig

DenverBrit
01-05-2010, 05:40 PM
Great. It frees up a lot of cash for Bowlen.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-05-2010, 05:40 PM
So much for pennies on the dollar as someone predicgted

Ramathorn
01-05-2010, 05:41 PM
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bowtown
01-05-2010, 05:44 PM
Why does Bowlen stil have to pay half? Does that mean that Shanahan is going to be making 10.5 mil for the next 2 years? Some guys get all the luck.

orinjkrush
01-05-2010, 05:44 PM
"Shanahan guided the Broncos to only one playoff victory in their next 10 seasons."

okee dokee

Caveat Lector
01-05-2010, 05:51 PM
So when's Shanny gonna break the news to Snyder that Slowik is his new DC? Obviously kept that one quiet...

tsiguy96
01-05-2010, 05:53 PM
****in redskins, so they are payin shanny 3.5mil a year and we are covering the other half? i know shannys total payment from next gig had to equal the same amount he was supposed to get paid, we offset whatever they dont pay. thought shanny would get paid more though?

Mr.Meanie
01-05-2010, 05:53 PM
Nice! Good luck Mike!

Brutal division, not much to work with on offense, but hopefully he turns them around.

bpc
01-05-2010, 06:13 PM
LMAO. Bowlen owned again. Mike bows to no man.

Good luck Mike. We'll be admiring your work from afar.

TailgateNut
01-05-2010, 06:16 PM
LMAO. Bowlen owned again. Mike bows to no man.

Good luck Mike. We'll be admiring your work from afar.

What a ****ing "richard".

tsiguy96
01-05-2010, 06:20 PM
LMAO. Bowlen owned again. Mike bows to no man.

Good luck Mike. We'll be admiring your work from afar.

youre such a weiner its crazy. yet youre ridiculous tactics will always be allowed.

anyways, i hope mike does good, i like mike hes a good coach. i think its generally accepted taht his time in denver was up and it was time to move on, but i dont think you will find a bronco fan that personally doenst like shanahan or doesnt want him to succeed. he left the organization with pure class and understanding of why he was gone.

LongDongJohnson
01-05-2010, 06:20 PM
clinton portis and mike shanahan reunited. maybe we can trade bailey for portis

Bob's your Information Minister
01-05-2010, 06:22 PM
http://i45.tinypic.com/35cr586.gif

colonelbeef
01-05-2010, 06:28 PM
He will be successful in DC.

gyldenlove
01-05-2010, 06:31 PM
He will be successful in DC.

And if not at least he will be one rich mofo with a spray on tan and white teeth.

bpc
01-05-2010, 06:33 PM
What a ****ing "richard".

Eh. Not really. Shanahan bled for this city, this team and the fans. He would have done anything to make this team a super bowl winner again. Maybe that was one of his worst faults as a coach.

Bowlen pulled the carpet out from under him when he fired him last season, yet Shanahan remained one of the classiest individuals I have ever seen during his press conference the day after he got fired. He heaped praise on everything this job had to offer and even Bowlen.

Bowlen hasn't talked to him since, yet claimed they were best friends. They live down the street from each other.

Enjoy your three years of free contract Mike. You earned it.

Once again, us die hard bronco fans will be appreciating your skills from afar.

~Crash~
01-05-2010, 06:34 PM
"Shanahan guided the Broncos to only one playoff victory in their next 10 seasons."

okee dokee

Like I said it must be a total bitch being you .

bpc
01-05-2010, 06:34 PM
He will be VASTLY successful in DC.

Changed it for you.

He's going to get his QB of the future this draft. There are some stallwarts already in place on offense and defense.

~Crash~
01-05-2010, 06:35 PM
Eh. Not really. Shanahan bled for this city, this team and the fans. He would have done anything to make this team a super bowl winner again. Maybe that was one of his worst faults as a coach.

Bowlen pulled the carpet out from under him when he fired him last season, yet Shanahan remained one of the classiest individuals I have ever seen during his press conference the day after he got fired. He heaped praise on everything this job had to offer and even Bowlen.

Bowlen hasn't talked to him since, yet claimed they were best friends. They live down the street from each other.

Enjoy your three years of free contract Mike. You earned it.

Once again, us die hard bronco fans will be appreciating your skills from afar.

you are all class BPC .

~Crash~
01-05-2010, 06:39 PM
there are so many hateful people my good your life's must suck !

Try being a decent human . I get it some times life does suck but at least have some ****ing class

*Edit*This was not meant at BPC . It was meant for people that say hateful things to a great Bronco Coach

ZONA
01-05-2010, 06:47 PM
He will be successful in DC.

OK there Mr. Nostradamus, whatever you say.

Popps
01-05-2010, 06:48 PM
LMAO. Bowlen owned again. Mike bows to no man.

Good luck Mike. We'll be admiring your work from afar.

I also wish Mike the Best.

I guess the difference is, I don't need to denigrate the guy who brought him to Denver in the first place.

As Mike Shanahan himself said, Bowlen is the best owner in sports. I'm sure with time to reflect, Shanahan understood why Bowlen did what he did. He' a man. He's been in the business long enough to know how things work. You don't get a lifetime pass in the NFL.

I hope you can show some of that same maturity some day, Chris... and not feel it necessary to post petty, inaccurate attacks on our owner.

Popps
01-05-2010, 06:50 PM
youre such a weiner its crazy. yet youre ridiculous tactics will always be allowed.
.

Chris used to be one of the best. Now, it's about garnering attention for himself. I swear, though... he used to offer very solid football analysis before the break-up. Now his posts are just sort of petty and pathetic.

But, according to him... he and SoCal are "fighting the good fight."

Whatever that means. I guess crying about things in the past you can't change is fighting the good fight.

~Crash~
01-05-2010, 06:50 PM
I also wish Mike the Best.

I guess the difference is, I don't need to denigrate the guy who brought him to Denver in the first place.

As Mike Shanahan himself said, Bowlen is the best owner in sports. I'm sure with time to reflect, Shanahan understood why Bowlen did what he did. He' a man. He's been in the business long enough to know how things work. You don't get a lifetime pass in the NFL.

I hope you can show some of that same maturity some day, Chris... and not feel it necessary to post petty, inaccurate attacks on our owner.

I understand completely why Bowlen had to do what he did he was broke.

and that sucks but time to move on .

ZONA
01-05-2010, 06:50 PM
Changed it for you.

He's going to get his QB of the future this draft. There are some stallwarts already in place on offense and defense.

Damn dude, do you have pictures of Shanny next to your bed or something? We get it, you really really really love the dude. You guys have a bromance thing going on..........hahahahahaha.

Lev Vyvanse
01-05-2010, 06:55 PM
I understand completely why Bowlen had to do what he did he was broke.



Joke right?

bpc
01-05-2010, 06:56 PM
I also wish Mike the Best.

I guess the difference is, I don't need to denigrate the guy who brought him to Denver in the first place.

As Mike Shanahan himself said, Bowlen is the best owner in sports. I'm sure with time to reflect, Shanahan understood why Bowlen did what he did. He' a man. He's been in the business long enough to know how things work. You don't get a lifetime pass in the NFL.

I hope you can show some of that same maturity some day, Chris... and not feel it necessary to post petty, inaccurate attacks on our owner.

Hey, I'm not denigrating any one. Bowlen will just be footing Mike's bill for the next two years. No matter.

We all know Joe Ellis is the man calling the shots anyways.

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Good luck Mike.

bpc
01-05-2010, 06:57 PM
Damn dude, do you have pictures of Shanny next to your bed or something? We get it, you really really really love the dude. You guys have a bromance thing going on..........hahahahahaha.

Mike is the man. That much is true.

Broncoman13
01-05-2010, 06:58 PM
youre such a weiner its crazy. yet youre ridiculous tactics will always be allowed.

anyways, i hope mike does good, i like mike hes a good coach. i think its generally accepted taht his time in denver was up and it was time to move on, but i dont think you will find a bronco fan that personally doenst like shanahan or doesnt want him to succeed. he left the organization with pure class and understanding of why he was gone.

Agree 100%... on the Shanny part. I love Mike Shanahan's approach and am a fan for life. I don't particularly like the Redskins, but I will root for them to do well. Mike Shanahan is probably one SB away from the HOF. He'll go in a Bronco so I will root for him to get that next one... As long as it's not against the Broncos.

PS, if Chris gets under your skin that much, put him on ignore. personally he doesn't bother me and I take much of what he says with a grain of salt.

tsiguy96
01-05-2010, 07:00 PM
I understand completely why Bowlen had to do what he did he was broke.

and that sucks but time to move on .

he was broke, so he decided to hire a new coach and pay for BOTH of them? not just HC either, the entire coaching staff? you CANT be that dumb.

Bronco Boy
01-05-2010, 07:01 PM
Why anyone would want the Redskins to succeed, Shanny or not, is beyond me. That owner treats the fans like little pieces of toilet paper.

cabronco
01-05-2010, 07:01 PM
Good luck Mike and hope you do well, unless its against the Broncos.

tsiguy96
01-05-2010, 07:03 PM
Why anyone would want the Redskins to succeed, Shanny or not, is beyond me. That owner treats the fans like little pieces of toilet paper.

i just read how they sue anyone and everyone who cant pay their tickets. most teams just give them to someone else as their is more than enough people to buy them, but the redskins give them to others while suing the original owner for default. its sad.

bpc
01-05-2010, 07:03 PM
Why anyone would want the Redskins to succeed, Shanny or not, is beyond me. That owner treats the fans like little pieces of toilet paper.

He brought Christmas to them early this year.

bpc
01-05-2010, 07:04 PM
Good luck Mike and hope you do well, unless its against the Broncos.

Ultimately, this is how I feel.

I've always hated the Skins but I'll be happy to see them win now. Unless they are playing Denver of course.

gtown
01-05-2010, 07:05 PM
For the Shanny widows that are still with us: http://www.extremeskins.com

Have fun and don't let the door hit you in the ass.

~Crash~
01-05-2010, 07:07 PM
Joke right?


no the day they said good by pat said . "this is the hardest thing I ever had to do is giving up mike ".


that don't sound like a guy that wanted to fire his coach because of his job he was doing .

Bronco Boy
01-05-2010, 07:08 PM
He brought Christmas to them early this year.

Not really. They will surely increase ticket prices and have another sub .500 season next year. Merry f'n Christmas bitches!

Wes Mantooth
01-05-2010, 07:08 PM
Congrats.

broncocalijohn
01-05-2010, 07:08 PM
LMAO. Bowlen owned again. Mike bows to no man.

Good luck Mike. We'll be admiring your work from afar.

Didnt know you can lick a sack that far from Washington DC.

bombay
01-05-2010, 07:10 PM
but.. but....butt....... mikey! and jay jay!?!

rastaclown & bpc

bombay
01-05-2010, 07:12 PM
Good luck to Shanny.

And thank you for saving Mr Bowlen and the Broncos some money.

Rabb
01-05-2010, 07:13 PM
Good luck Mike and hope you do well, unless its against the Broncos.

precisely this

I wasn't one of the ones pissed that he was fired but I will always be a fan of Shanny...brought some great memories I will never forget

~Crash~
01-05-2010, 07:14 PM
look at all of the thing going on as a whole.

laying off beat wrighters and staff this was almost pure desperate $$

Shanahan operats on huge $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Hire of NE Coach and NE is cheap skates $

Cutler and Bus were wanting a new contract $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Marshall wants a new huge contract $$$$$$$$$$$$$

ColoradoDarin
01-05-2010, 07:14 PM
Best of luck Mike. Hope you kick the NFC's butt.

So much for owning the Redskins in any more trades :(

orinjkrush
01-05-2010, 07:15 PM
its a bidness already.

good play shanny.

ride the cards. a straight beats two pair.

~Crash~
01-05-2010, 07:16 PM
I see a trend

broncocalijohn
01-05-2010, 07:17 PM
he was broke, so he decided to hire a new coach and pay for BOTH of them? not just HC either, the entire coaching staff? you CANT be that dumb.

look at many of his posts, yes he is that dumb. I hope we all wish Mike well and hopefully he learned an important lesson on keeping friends in business where they dont belong. Slowick is the real coach killer.

KipCorrington25
01-05-2010, 07:19 PM
The list is long of former SB winning coaches that moved elsewhere and didn't do squat. It's not easy catching lightning in a bottle...

Lev Vyvanse
01-05-2010, 07:20 PM
no the day they said good by pat said . "this is the hardest thing I ever had to do is giving up mike ".


that don't sound like a guy that wanted to fire his coach because of his job he was doing .

Yeah, because they didn't have a personal relationship. Really?

broncocalijohn
01-05-2010, 07:21 PM
look at all of the thing going on as a whole.

laying off beat wrighters and staff this was almost pure desperate $$

Shanahan operats on huge $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Hire of NE Coach and NE is cheap skates $

Cutler and Bus were wanting a new contract $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Marshall wants a new huge contract $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Bolded part has nothing to do with the coaching staff, it is the front office. All coaches would love to spend an unlimited amount of cashe from their employers. Marshall leaving has nothing to do with Bowlen when talking about BM character issues. Unless Bowlen demands that everyone put up with his act, then he would stay but that wont go over well with many of the 53 guys and staff. Also, you think it was Bowlen that told McD to start some **** with Cutler so he would get pissed off and want to leave and demand a trade? God, you are this dumb!

PennSkinsFan
01-05-2010, 07:23 PM
http://dcprosportsreport.com/articles/washington-redskins/mike-shanahan-is-the-new-redskins-coach.html

5 years, 7 million

Bronco Boy
01-05-2010, 07:24 PM
The list is long of former SB winning coaches that moved elsewhere and didn't do squat. It's not easy catching lightning in a bottle...

Jason Campbell is slowly improving and is at least better than Shanny's QB for his last season in Denver, but I doubt he ends up being a hall of famer.

Lev Vyvanse
01-05-2010, 07:25 PM
look at all of the thing going on as a whole.

laying off beat wrighters and staff this was almost pure desperate $$

Shanahan operats on huge $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Hire of NE Coach and NE is cheap skates $

Cutler and Bus were wanting a new contract $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Marshall wants a new huge contract $$$$$$$$$$$$$

80% turnover in coaching personnel

60% turnover in players

= lots of $$$$$$$$$$

lostknight
01-05-2010, 07:42 PM
Best of luck, yet another reason to root for one more team in the NFL.

Lev Vyvanse
01-05-2010, 07:50 PM
The Redskins only hired him so he would stop exploiting them during trades. Clinton Portis is pissed.

strafen
01-05-2010, 07:52 PM
so when's shanny gonna break the news to snyder that slowik is his new dc? Obviously kept that one quiet...lmao! ROFL!

Caveat Lector
01-05-2010, 07:52 PM
The list is long of former SB winning coaches that moved elsewhere and didn't do squat. It's not easy catching lightning in a bottle...

This is one of the better tweets of the past two days -

PostBroncos RT @davidelfin: Message to Skins fans gaga over Shanahan's imminent hiring: he won one playoff game from 99-08. Skins won 2. Still thrilled?

ScottXray
01-05-2010, 07:55 PM
precisely this

I wasn't one of the ones pissed that he was fired but I will always be a fan of Shanny...brought some great memories I will never forget

+1 ...but Shanahan took a salary that kind of sticks it to his buddy , Bowlen.

Bet he gets a HUGE pay raise after his first two years..

I wonder if Slow-wit called him up and said " I heard we got a job! "

BroncoBuff
01-05-2010, 08:00 PM
So who's gonna be the first to buy a Peyton Hillis Redskins jersey?

Bob's your Information Minister
01-05-2010, 08:03 PM
HillisNextRiggins

Lev Vyvanse
01-05-2010, 08:04 PM
So who's gonna be the first to buy a Peyton Hillis Redskins jersey?

You? Is your Cutler Bear jersey comfortable?

jhat01
01-05-2010, 08:06 PM
You? Is your Cutler Bear jersey comfortable?

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

SoDak Bronco
01-05-2010, 08:07 PM
Mike Shannahan is going to do wonders for the redskins. Hope you dominate the NFC EAST for years to come..Good luck to Mike and the Skins unless they come up against Denver.

jhat01
01-05-2010, 08:08 PM
Scheff must be pissed...He can't carry Cooley's jock

2KBack
01-05-2010, 08:12 PM
I wonder is Shanny has wised up about Slowik, there's a lot of talk about Zimmer from Cincinnati as DC.

broncocalijohn
01-05-2010, 08:14 PM
Mike Shannahan is going to do wonders for the redskins. Hope you dominate the NFC EAST for years to come..Good luck to Mike and the Skins unless they come up against Denver.

one big reason to root for the Redskins as they play the Cowboys and Giants. Two teams I dont care too much about.

Rabb
01-05-2010, 08:14 PM
This is the best thing for Campbell really, and I don't know why but I always kinda' pulled for the kid to do ok

seems to have the skills

Parlett316
01-05-2010, 08:15 PM
Hey guys, I'm a Skins fan and haven't followed Shanahan's career as closely as you guys have.

What changes am I going to see offensively from him? Was it his zone blocking scheme or Alex Gibbs? Are the Redskins going to sign four Browns defensive tackles?

azbroncfan
01-05-2010, 08:22 PM
Who did the Redskins fulfill the Rooney rule? Paging Dennis Green.

Parlett316
01-05-2010, 08:24 PM
Who did the Redskins fulfill the Rooney rule? Paging Dennis Green.

Norm Chow

uplink
01-05-2010, 08:25 PM
I live in D.C. so its weird having Shanny as the coach. I'll go from hating the team to liking then now I think
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TonyR
01-05-2010, 08:25 PM
Who did the Redskins fulfill the Rooney rule? Paging Dennis Green.

Jerry Gray, the Skins current secondary coach.

gyldenlove
01-05-2010, 08:27 PM
Hey guys, I'm a Skins fan and haven't followed Shanahan's career as closely as you guys have.

What changes am I going to see offensively from him? Was it his zone blocking scheme or Alex Gibbs? Are the Redskins going to sign four Browns defensive tackles?

Offensively he is a WC guy who likes mobile QBs and uses the TE in the seam so Cooley should like this.

I don't know if he would go with the ZBS in DC, we had had the players for it so it was easy to stick with, but he did try to get bigger at OL in his last years here so I expect him to not go too crazy on OL.

I doubt you could find 4 Browns DTs even if you looked, defensively he is not strong and on scouting he is a bit iffy too so don't expect too much there.

bombay
01-05-2010, 08:30 PM
So who's gonna be the first to buy a Peyton Hillis Redskins jersey?

Not a Broncos fan, for sure.

Probably you. Wait 'till the Skins cut him, though. It'll be cheaper.

Bronco Boy
01-05-2010, 08:32 PM
Hey guys, I'm a Skins fan and haven't followed Shanahan's career as closely as you guys have.

What changes am I going to see offensively from him? Was it his zone blocking scheme or Alex Gibbs? Are the Redskins going to sign four Browns defensive tackles?

Expect some pretty poor drafting, except in the 4th round. That's Shanny's money round.

Parlett316
01-05-2010, 08:36 PM
Expect some pretty poor drafting, except in the 4th round. That's Shanny's money round.

Well he'll have to better since Cerrato gave that pick for Jason Taylor.

Drek
01-05-2010, 08:55 PM
Hey guys, I'm a Skins fan and haven't followed Shanahan's career as closely as you guys have.

What changes am I going to see offensively from him? Was it his zone blocking scheme or Alex Gibbs? Are the Redskins going to sign four Browns defensive tackles?

Depends what he's learned/come to terms with in his time off.

If he brings Slowik along in nearly any capacity you should be very concerned, it'll likely mean he's running the show defensively within a couple seasons.

If he starts signing real scum bags and over the hill retreads trying to catch a couple few good years then you should also be worried.

If he's caught on to what he did wrong and is willing to actually rebuild a team around good character team leaders you could do real well. But I'll believe that when I see it.

2KBack
01-05-2010, 09:00 PM
Depends what he's learned/come to terms with in his time off.

If he brings Slowik along in nearly any capacity you should be very concerned, it'll likely mean he's running the show defensively within a couple seasons.

If he starts signing real scum bags and over the hill retreads trying to catch a couple few good years then you should also be worried.

If he's caught on to what he did wrong and is willing to actually rebuild a team around good character team leaders you could do real well. But I'll believe that when I see it.

I'll add that he has a bad habit of filling his staff with friends and Yes men, which only works once every five coaches or so.

Also if he ever says that he is personally overseeing the defense at any point, be concerned.

That said, Shanahan is the perfect coach to take a team that already has good talent to the next level.

Stormontheplains
01-05-2010, 09:21 PM
Expect some pretty poor drafting, except in the 4th round. That's Shanny's money round.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but all the pro bowlers of this years team were his draft picks, right? I really think you are quite the dumbass.

Archer81
01-05-2010, 09:23 PM
Hey guys, I'm a Skins fan and haven't followed Shanahan's career as closely as you guys have.

What changes am I going to see offensively from him? Was it his zone blocking scheme or Alex Gibbs? Are the Redskins going to sign four Browns defensive tackles?


Lots of motion and shifts. The TE becomes the first or second option more often, the ZBS (zone blocking system), playaction. Luckily the redskins have solid defensive pieces, so rebuilding it from scratch wont have to happen. His press conferences have alot of words with actually nothing being said, get used to hearing "obviously anytime you have player X you are going to do Z". He has a tan 360 out of 365 days. Never call him the little man upstairs.

:Broncos:

Archer81
01-05-2010, 09:24 PM
Tell me if I'm wrong, but all the pro bowlers of this years team were his draft picks, right? I really think you are quite the dumbass.

Bailey and Dawkins?

:Broncos:

2KBack
01-05-2010, 09:27 PM
Tell me if I'm wrong, but all the pro bowlers of this years team were his draft picks, right? I really think you are quite the dumbass.

Both of those picks were also 4th rounders, which fits perfectly into the posters comment.

houghtam
01-05-2010, 09:36 PM
tell me if i'm wrong, but all the pro bowlers of this years team were his draft picks, right? I really think you are quite the dumbass.

lol

Archer81
01-05-2010, 09:38 PM
Bailey, Shanahan traded for
Dawkins, McD signed
DJ Williams, 1st round draft pick Shanahan
Ryan Clady, 1st round draft pick Shanahan
Brandon Marshall, 4th round draft pick Shanahan


So...whats the problem? The Broncos had 5 probowlers. 2 of them were not Bronco draft picks...

:Broncos:

DBroncos4life
01-05-2010, 09:39 PM
So...whats the problem? The Broncos had 5 probowlers. 2 of them were not Bronco draft picks...

:Broncos:

I quoted the wrong person.

Lev Vyvanse
01-05-2010, 09:41 PM
Doom got robbed.

tsiguy96
01-05-2010, 09:43 PM
Doom got robbed.

hes a starting pro bowler, DJ williams is a pro bowl alternate.

Lev Vyvanse
01-05-2010, 09:45 PM
hes a starting pro bowler, DJ williams is a pro bowl alternate.

Yep. Look for his name on the list above.

Edit: DBronco4life deleted the message but it is quoted.

Bronco Boy
01-05-2010, 09:46 PM
Tell me if I'm wrong, but all the pro bowlers of this years team were his draft picks, right? I really think you are quite the dumbass.

You are dead wrong, moron.

Broncoman13
01-05-2010, 09:53 PM
he was broke, so he decided to hire a new coach and pay for BOTH of them? not just HC either, the entire coaching staff? you CANT be that dumb.

I think he's had a lot of practice so there is a pretty good chance that he may actually be...

Florida_Bronco
01-05-2010, 09:58 PM
Chris used to be one of the best. Now, it's about garnering attention for himself. I swear, though... he used to offer very solid football analysis before the break-up. Now his posts are just sort of petty and pathetic.

Yeah. What can you say about a supposed fan who is laughing at (what he thinks) is our owner getting "owned" again? It's like he is rooting against us.

I don't like to question other people's allegiances, but Chris seems to be more of a Shanahan fan than a Denver fan. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this is all he needs to finally turn his back on the team.

DBroncos4life
01-05-2010, 09:58 PM
Yep. Look for his name on the list above.

Edit: DBronco4life deleted the message but it is quoted.

I quoted the wrong person and left Doom off, that is why I deleted it.

TheDave
01-05-2010, 10:05 PM
Good for Shanny... I'll never forget what he did for this franchise.

Broncoman13
01-05-2010, 10:28 PM
Man so many outlandish posts on this thread... why am I not surprised.

First, Shanny has hit on many players and he's missed on many players too. For every Jarvis Moss there is a Chris Kuper or Terrell Davis. For every Marcus Nash there is a Brandon Marshall or Elvis Dumervil. For every Dale Carter there is Neil Smith or Gary Zimmerman. For every Javon Walker (trade) there is a Champ Bailey.

He is one of the winningest coaches in NFL History, that doesn't happen by accident. One thing that Shanny realized later on in Denver was that he can't go deep in the playoffs or win a Superbowl with a prized QB. That is why he drafted Jay Cutler. I suspect he'll do the same thing in Washington, though he could get a lot of mileage out of Jason Campbell, IMO.

His biggest mistakes seem to be with character risks and injured or injury prone players. The list is long in that department, Jarvis Moss, Dale Carter, IHOP, Jay Cutler (now it seems), Brandon Marshall, Clinton Portis, Willie Middlebrooks, Ryan Torain, and the list goes on for a while. Sometimes he hits on these guys, but it isn't common.

As for the comment that he likes to surround himself with "yes men". What coach, supervisor, or manager doesn't? Mike Shanahan is pretty simple when it comes to these things but also true is the fact that he wants coaches in which he can trust. His best days were with Gary Kubiak. The amount of respect there was phenomenal and it went both ways. Kubes could go to Shanny with a change in philosophy and Shanny would listen, that was b/c he trusted Kubes wanted the same thing and there was no chance at it becoming a "I though we should do it this way and coach wants to do it his own way" type scenario. So what does Mike do, he hires his son to be his OC. If you can't trust your own son in that manner, who can you trust?

As for Slowik will be his DC. I highly doubt it. I think he will keep him on as his DB coach and many here forget that our secondary racked up INTs by the dozen when he was coaching them. It is true that Shanny struggled with the defensive aspect of the game. He never would relinquish total control. I hope and think that he has learned from that mistake. If he brings in a big name DC to run his defense, you can pretty much count on him having less input into the defensive strategy in a game.

He is one of the best offensive coaches in the history of the game. He has coached two HOF QBs and each give him a great deal of credit for their growth as QBs. He will get great use out of both Cooley and Davis. Santana Moss and Devin Thomas also stand to see substantial increases in their production. Mike Shanahan's teams have been renowned for being able to plus just about any RB into them and have great success. 125-150 yards per game is the expectation with frequent totals greater than that. He gets great production out of lower round draft picks on the OL which means he can probably turn the OL around in short order. Toward the end of his tenure in Denver he started to realize that in order to "punch" the ball in, he needed to get bigger and more physical along the OL. It will be interesting to see what direction he takes the Skins OL as they need a massive overhaul.

So why was it time for him to leave Denver? His message became stale and the constant flux on defense took it's toll on the team. 5 years, 4 different defensive coordinators. I think he finally realized that what he was doing wasn't working so he decided that he was going to get some continuity, problem is he decided to do it with the wrong DC. But even before that he lost the team. The defense was treated as 2nd class members of the team and the turmoil was too much to overcome. His time had run it's course. Pat Bowlen described the decision as the toughest one he had ever made and said that Mike made it easy on him. It almost sounded as though Mike could have easily talked his way into staying, but I think he realized the same thing. It was time to move on, retool his game and come back stronger than ever... which I think he will.

I'm not glad that we let him go, but I'm not sorry for it either. It was something that needed to happen and you will see it again in the future with some of the other great minds in the game. Guys like Bill Bilichick and Jeff Fisher will eventually find themselves in the same situation... and they too will go onto to become outstanding coaches in another organization. Look at Tony Dungy, he was basically ran out of Tampa Bay... he ended up doing alright with the same approach in Indy. Naturally a lot of that was b/c of Peyton Manning, but don't discredit the job he did either.

bpc
01-05-2010, 10:35 PM
Depends what he's learned/come to terms with in his time off.

If he brings Slowik along in nearly any capacity you should be very concerned, it'll likely mean he's running the show defensively within a couple seasons.

If he starts signing real scum bags and over the hill retreads trying to catch a couple few good years then you should also be worried.

If he's caught on to what he did wrong and is willing to actually rebuild a team around good character team leaders you could do real well. But I'll believe that when I see it.

I wouldn't completely agree with that. I despise Slowik as much as the next fan, but he did a pretty damn good job as DB coach. Champ had his most productive years as a player with his coaching and I think that says he's pretty solid in that area.

Florida_Bronco
01-05-2010, 10:42 PM
I wouldn't completely agree with that. I despise Slowik as much as the next fan, but he did a pretty damn good job as DB coach. Champ had his most productive years as a player with his coaching and I think that says he's pretty solid in that area.

I think you can rest assured that if Slowik is on Mike's staff he'll do anything he can to fast track him into the DC spot, just like he did here in Denver.

bpc
01-05-2010, 10:45 PM
Yeah. What can you say about a supposed fan who is laughing at (what he thinks) is our owner getting "owned" again? It's like he is rooting against us.

I don't like to question other people's allegiances, but Chris seems to be more of a Shanahan fan than a Denver fan. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this is all he needs to finally turn his back on the team.

I think it's funny that you guys question my fanhood because I question our owner's actions. Does every Cowboy, Raider, Eagles fan who questions their owners actions get labled as a renagade, rooting for the franchise to lose? No. I don't root for the owner. I root for the Broncos.

If I had my way, Shanahan would still be coaching. I think we would have had a better team this year. That's neither here or there, but it's what I feel.

I felt that Shanahan bled for this city, the team and the fans. I think there was a genuine love which he fostered for Colorado which is why I don't ever think he dogged his job. In fact, it was quite known that he was a work-a-holic.

Shanny made some mistakes but he also made up for a lot of those with his coaching ability. Say what you want but we had two losing seasons in what, 15 years? As much as people tear him down for the last ten years, I think that the past decade will be known throughout history as Patriot, Steeler and Colts years. Those three teams dominated everybody. Not just Mike Shanahan. Often, he was going into the battles undermanned.

Regardless, I think the world of Mike Shanahan. If you doubt what he meant to this program or how much he cared, go back and watch his final press conference for the Broncos. All class, which is the best thing I can say about Mike.

All class.

Pat Bowlen? Not so much. Josh McDaniels? Eh... we'll wait and see. I'm leaning on not so much.

There's things bigger than just football. Mike was that.

Good for Mike that he landed on his feet and he stuck it to Bowlen. Pat stuck it to him first.

That's another thing I like about Mike. He may have an axe to grind but he doesn't go spill all the details to the media. Rest assured though, he's gonna get his.

The final seed has been sewn and it's over now.

May Mike have just as much success as he did previously, unless he's coaching against the Broncos. All I care about on that front is Mike getting into the hall of fame because he deserves it. One more super bowl ring will solidify it.

bpc
01-05-2010, 10:48 PM
I think you can rest assured that if Slowik is on Mike's staff he'll do anything he can to fast track him into the DC spot, just like he did here in Denver.

I dont' support Slowik as anything more than a DB coach. I'm sure he's a wonderful guy. Mike must think incredible things about him.

Here's the thing, you make your bed and then you sleep in it. I think Mike understands this.

We'll see what happens.

Pony Boy
01-05-2010, 10:48 PM
Bowlen hasn't talked to him since, yet claimed they were best friends. They live down the street from each other.

Not entirely true because I heard Bowlen patted him on the chest....almost like a sarcastic, "Hey good efffort man."

bpc
01-05-2010, 10:51 PM
i don't know where your sources are but I remember reading that they haven't spoke in the Denverpost a couple of months ago.

Any reference would be appreciated if i'm wrong.

IF TRUE, i think that's some BS. They don't have to be best-friends but to throw away all Mike has done for the franchise and not talk to him? Well, I think that's pretty pathetic of Bowlen if true.

strafen
01-05-2010, 10:56 PM
I dont' support Slowik as anything more than a DB coach. I'm sure he's a wonderful guy. Mike must think incredible things about him.

Here's the thing, you make your bed and then you sleep in it. I think Mike understands this.

We'll see what happens.I don't have the facts in front of me, but I would venture to say their defense this year wasn't anything atrocious, was it?

The question is, would Shanahan stick with Campbell as his QB?

BigPlayShay
01-05-2010, 10:56 PM
i don't know where your sources are but I remember reading that they haven't spoke in the Denverpost a couple of months ago.

Any reference would be appreciated if i'm wrong.

IF TRUE, i think that's some BS. They don't have to be best-friends but to throw away all Mike has done for the franchise and not talk to him? Well, I think that's pretty pathetic of Bowlen if true.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_14081886

When Mike Shanahan got fired, both he and Pat Bowlen stressed what great friends they are. So are they still "great friends" one year later? Thanks.
-- William North, Los Angeles

William - Nothing like a firing to test a relationship. The last time I checked, Bowlen and Shanahan haven't broke bread in the past year. But I know the Broncos owner is still genuinely appreciative for the two Lombardi Trophies that are displayed at Dove Valley. Bowlen even stated without pause during the preseason that Shanahan was the best coach the Broncos ever had.

And to Shanahan's credit, he didn't seem embittered by his firing. Disappointed, perhaps. Bummed, no doubt. But Shanahan sincerely seemed to understand Bowlen's decision. Shanahan may even be thankful for it. Besides, when a great friend is still paying you $20 million not to coach for three more years, why not let bygones be bygones?

Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_14081886#ixzz0boDPQiNg


ESPN: Broncos' Pat Bowlen gives Redskins 'ringing endorsement' on Mike Shanahan

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/12/espn-broncos-pat-bowlen-gives-redskins-ringing-endorsement-on-mike-shanahan/1

NFLBRONCO
01-05-2010, 10:59 PM
They will be friends again its business not personal.

strafen
01-05-2010, 11:01 PM
They will be friends again its business not personal.At least Shanahan is staying out of the AFC Conference ;)

Bronco Yoda
01-05-2010, 11:03 PM
I wonder if he needs someone to babysit that little shack in Colorado now?

I'll have to give him a call.

Pony Boy
01-05-2010, 11:04 PM
i don't know where your sources are but I remember reading that they haven't spoke in the Denverpost a couple of months ago.

Any reference would be appreciated if i'm wrong.

IF TRUE, i think that's some BS. They don't have to be best-friends but to throw away all Mike has done for the franchise and not talk to him? Well, I think that's pretty pathetic of Bowlen if true.

Thats a joke, I say thats a joke son ...........(reference Marshall/Ty Law Thread)

houghtam
01-05-2010, 11:06 PM
I think you can rest assured that if Slowik is on Mike's staff he'll do anything he can to fast track him into the DC spot, just like he did here in Denver.

Anyone else got a juvenile snicker out of this?

spdirty
01-05-2010, 11:07 PM
Nothing but love for Mike Shanahan. I hope he does well for the skins and gets his jacket.

bpc
01-05-2010, 11:07 PM
I don't have the facts in front of me, but I would venture to say their defense this year wasn't anything atrocious, was it?

The question is, would Shanahan stick with Campbell as his QB?

They have some pieces in place. Shanahan has put some solid people out on the field at LB and DB. He always had problems finding the right mix on the defensive line.

Well now he has Haynesworth who is a pro bowler, Andre Carter (who Shanny tried to sign in Denver) and Brian Orakpo at DE who both notched 11 sacks and some solid back seven defenders. The defense should be ready to compete from day 1.

The offense will be in transition but I think if they can tender Campbell to come back, and draft a QB early, they'll be in good shape. They have a bunch of picks invested in the WR's over the past couple years, plus S. Moss and Randel El. Chris Cooley is one of the best pass catching TE's in the league and he's going to have a huge jump in stats.

I could see Shanahan going OT first as well. The Washington offensive line is a mess right now. I don't think Mike will need any great talent there to run his system, but it's always better when he does. The unit was dominant in Denver when they had Zimmerman holding down the LT spot, and it was returning that way when Shanny landed Clady in his final year.

I could see him going OT in round 1, and QB in round 2. The draft is deep enough where he could do that no problem.

bpc
01-05-2010, 11:10 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_14081886



ESPN: Broncos' Pat Bowlen gives Redskins 'ringing endorsement' on Mike Shanahan

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/12/espn-broncos-pat-bowlen-gives-redskins-ringing-endorsement-on-mike-shanahan/1

I think the fact that they haven't conversed speaks more volumes than giving him a ringing endorsement. To say Mike was anything BUT the best coach in Denver history would be a slap in the face to Shanny and the fans. The ringing endorsement was probably to get Mike off the books.

Eh. I wonder what the Bowlen household is like tonight?

Florida_Bronco
01-05-2010, 11:11 PM
I think it's funny that you guys question my fanhood because I question our owner's actions. Does every Cowboy, Raider, Eagles fan who questions their owners actions get labled as a renagade, rooting for the franchise to lose? No. I don't root for the owner. I root for the Broncos.

If I had my way, Shanahan would still be coaching. I think we would have had a better team this year. That's neither here or there, but it's what I feel.

I felt that Shanahan bled for this city, the team and the fans. I think there was a genuine love which he fostered for Colorado which is why I don't ever think he dogged his job. In fact, it was quite known that he was a work-a-holic.

Shanny made some mistakes but he also made up for a lot of those with his coaching ability. Say what you want but we had two losing seasons in what, 15 years? As much as people tear him down for the last ten years, I think that the past decade will be known throughout history as Patriot, Steeler and Colts years. Those three teams dominated everybody. Not just Mike Shanahan. Often, he was going into the battles undermanned.

Regardless, I think the world of Mike Shanahan. If you doubt what he meant to this program or how much he cared, go back and watch his final press conference for the Broncos. All class, which is the best thing I can say about Mike.

All class.

Pat Bowlen? Not so much. Josh McDaniels? Eh... we'll wait and see. I'm leaning on not so much.

There's things bigger than just football. Mike was that.

Good for Mike that he landed on his feet and he stuck it to Bowlen. Pat stuck it to him first.

That's another thing I like about Mike. He may have an axe to grind but he doesn't go spill all the details to the media. Rest assured though, he's gonna get his.

The final seed has been sewn and it's over now.

May Mike have just as much success as he did previously, unless he's coaching against the Broncos. All I care about on that front is Mike getting into the hall of fame because he deserves it. One more super bowl ring will solidify it.

I share all your sentiments on Shanahan, yet I think your cheering of him supposedly sticking it to our owner is pretty telling of where your true allegiance lies, and it doesn't look like it's with the Broncos.

That being said, I fail to see how Shanahan has stuck it to Bowlen here. Ultimately this news probably has little effect on Bowlen other than saving him some money.

SouthStndJunkie
01-05-2010, 11:12 PM
I hope Shanny goes to Washington and kicks some ass.

I am glad he is coaching in the NFC.

Florida_Bronco
01-05-2010, 11:14 PM
I dont' support Slowik as anything more than a DB coach. I'm sure he's a wonderful guy. Mike must think incredible things about him.

Here's the thing, you make your bed and then you sleep in it. I think Mike understands this.

We'll see what happens.

And if he allows Slowik to have his 5th failure as a DC, that may be the beginning of Shanny's undoing in Washington.

GoHAM
01-05-2010, 11:15 PM
Haven't read all the posts/replies, but does it make me a douche that I suddenly feel a kinship w/ the Redskins? ???

Because I feel incredibly dirty for my positive feelings toward the 'Skins especially w/ my memories of SB XXII. [SHUDDERS]

bpc
01-05-2010, 11:19 PM
I share all your sentiments on Shanahan, yet I think your cheering of him supposedly sticking it to our owner is pretty telling of where your true allegiance lies, and it doesn't look like it's with the Broncos.

That being said, I fail to see how Shanahan has stuck it to Bowlen here. Ultimately this news probably has little effect on Bowlen other than saving him some money.

We all have our own feelings. I've listed them pretty well here.

I want Denver to win. I've been critical of McDaniels but I hope he's a success. Hell, Orton has received the bulk of my criticism and I would LOVE to be wrong about him.

That's all besides the point. I think Shanahan is great and I'll never forget what he did for this franchise. Without him, Elway retires ringless, and Denver fans are still long tortured. Denver was on the map, but Shanahan legitimized Denver's claim as a great sports city and town when we won the super bowls.

Mad respect to Mike. I hope he does great things in Washington.

As for Bowlen, whatever. As long as he signs the checks, and gives us the opportunity to win games, I'm happy with him.

bpc
01-05-2010, 11:20 PM
And if he allows Slowik to have his 5th failure as a DC, that may be the beginning of Shanny's undoing in Washington.

I agree. I'm not a fan of Slowik as DC. As DB coach? Fine. As DC, I think that would be a horrible mis-judgement again on Mike's part.

bpc
01-05-2010, 11:20 PM
Haven't read all the posts/replies, but does it make me a douche that I suddenly feel a kinship w/ the Redskins? ???

Because I feel incredibly dirty for my positive feelings toward the 'Skins especially w/ my memories of SB XXII. [SHUDDERS]

Watch out, fan police are gonna getcha!

Paladin
01-05-2010, 11:24 PM
Golly, bpc, that's really............magnanimous if you. No, really.


Considering I don't think Bowlen gives a rats' arse what you think. And neither does McD.

GoHAM
01-05-2010, 11:25 PM
Watch out, fan police are gonna getcha!

I just hope I can finish erecting my "Pro-Shanny, Thanks for What You Did" Bunker before they arrive.

Florida_Bronco
01-05-2010, 11:25 PM
We all have our own feelings. I've listed them pretty well here.

I want Denver to win. I've been critical of McDaniels but I hope he's a success. Hell, Orton has received the bulk of my criticism and I would LOVE to be wrong about him.

That's all besides the point. I think Shanahan is great and I'll never forget what he did for this franchise. Without him, Elway retires ringless, and Denver fans are still long tortured. Denver was on the map, but Shanahan legitimized Denver's claim as a great sports city and town when we won the super bowls.

Mad respect to Mike. I hope he does great things in Washington.

As for Bowlen, whatever. As long as he signs the checks, and gives us the opportunity to win games, I'm happy with him.

Cool. So while we're on the subject, how did Shanahan stick it to Bowlen?

Just curious.

bpc
01-05-2010, 11:28 PM
I think ultimately Bowlen thought Shanahan would coached this season and his salary would have been off the books.

In the least he would be off this off-season.

Unfortunately for Bowlen, no such luck. Two more years of free salary for Mike.

Florida_Bronco
01-05-2010, 11:33 PM
I think ultimately Bowlen thought Shanahan would coached this season and his salary would have been off the books.

In the least he would be off this off-season.

Unfortunately for Bowlen, no such luck. Two more years of free salary for Mike.

Ya know, call me crazy, but I'm sure a world class business owner like Pat Bowlen probably thought about those scenarios before he fired Shanahan.

Just a thought.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-05-2010, 11:36 PM
Mike Shanahan?

Isn't he that guy who couldn't win anything without John Elway? Ha!

On the real, good luck with the Foreskins, Mikey. :thumbs:

SureShot
01-05-2010, 11:40 PM
I bet Portis is looking forward to playing in Mikes ZBS again.

bpc
01-05-2010, 11:41 PM
Ya know, call me crazy, but I'm sure a world class business owner like Pat Bowlen probably thought about those scenarios before he fired Shanahan.

Just a thought.

You would hope.

Doesn't matter now. The ink has dried and the deal is done.

TheReverend
01-05-2010, 11:47 PM
I hate the Eagles and Cowboys. Rip them limb from limb, Mike, and take every Lombardi the Broncos aren't in.

Don Flamenco
01-05-2010, 11:51 PM
I hate the Eagles and Cowboys. Rip them limb from limb, Mike, and take every Lombardi the Broncos aren't in.

but go to the hall as a bronco!

Taco John
01-05-2010, 11:59 PM
All I know is this: when Mike Shanahan goes into the Hall of Fame, I'll be there wearing a Broncos jersey.

Bronco LB52
01-06-2010, 01:37 AM
I want a Denver-Washington Super Bowl.

Bronco LB52
01-06-2010, 01:57 AM
In the 1980s, Reeves and the Broncos coaching staff used to meet with Joe Gibbs and the Redskins coaches during the offseason and trade scouting reports on opponents.

fontaine
01-06-2010, 04:01 AM
Washington has a lot of good players and I can see Mike having success there as long as he makes the right hire at DC.

With their OL in a big mess, I'm betting Shanahan goes through the ZBS because it'll be quicker to implement but the catch is if he can get someone like Turner/Dennison there.

Wonder if those guys stay if Shanahan comes calling?

Ramathorn
01-06-2010, 04:10 AM
All I know is this: when Mike Shanahan goes into the Hall of Fame, I'll be there wearing a Broncos jersey.

Ditto. Mike was the man in denver. 1 postseason win after elway left?? How bout only 2 losing seasons his entire tenure here!! McDaniels already has one.

Dagmar
01-06-2010, 04:32 AM
Ditto. Mike was the man in denver. 1 postseason win after elway left?? How bout only 2 losing seasons his entire tenure here!! McDaniels already has one.

:spit:

WolfpackGuy
01-06-2010, 04:54 AM
Washington has a lot of good players and I can see Mike having success there as long as he makes the right hire at DC.

With their OL in a big mess, I'm betting Shanahan goes through the ZBS because it'll be quicker to implement but the catch is if he can get someone like Turner/Dennison there.

Wonder if those guys stay if Shanahan comes calling?

I'd be really surprised if they didn't follow him to Washington.

Drek
01-06-2010, 05:15 AM
I wouldn't completely agree with that. I despise Slowik as much as the next fan, but he did a pretty damn good job as DB coach. Champ had his most productive years as a player with his coaching and I think that says he's pretty solid in that area.

Its great that you have this fantasy view of Shanahan where he's going to have Slowik be the DBs coach and nothing else. I mean, its not like Shanahan didn't oust Coyer and strip all of Bates' defensive power within less than a calendar year to move Slowik in to run the D or anything.

Its the Peter Principle and Shanahan to date has absolutely loved watching it in full effect with Slowik. So much so that when he was fired he had Slowik tail around with him when he visited training camps and the like.

I think ultimately Bowlen thought Shanahan would coached this season and his salary would have been off the books.

In the least he would be off this off-season.

Unfortunately for Bowlen, no such luck. Two more years of free salary for Mike.

So once again from this fantasy dreamland of the world revolving around Mike Shanahan, you have this theory that Pat Bowlen thought he could fire Shanahan after the season ends and that some other team would scoop him up literally within the month, despite most teams needing HCs already having a list of candidates together, starting the interview process, and all those teams trending young and cheap, not going after the Cowhers of the world.

Sounds very rational.

That One Guy
01-06-2010, 05:27 AM
Its great that you have this fantasy view of Shanahan where he's going to have Slowik be the DBs coach and nothing else. I mean, its not like Shanahan didn't oust Coyer and strip all of Bates' defensive power within less than a calendar year to move Slowik in to run the D or anything.

Its the Peter Principle and Shanahan to date has absolutely loved watching it in full effect with Slowik. So much so that when he was fired he had Slowik tail around with him when he visited training camps and the like.



So once again from this fantasy dreamland of the world revolving around Mike Shanahan, you have this theory that Pat Bowlen thought he could fire Shanahan after the season ends and that some other team would scoop him up literally within the month, despite most teams needing HCs already having a list of candidates together, starting the interview process, and all those teams trending young and cheap, not going after the Cowhers of the world.

Sounds very rational.

While I don't really have much of an opinion on most of the thread, I think you're on a fantasy island if you think Shanny couldn't have had a head coaching job if he wanted it last year. I think he just wanted a down year.

Killericon
01-06-2010, 06:03 AM
I love Shanahan, and I wish him well...The Redskins just became my 3rd or 4th favourite team.

ColoradoDarin
01-06-2010, 06:21 AM
:spit:

Me gud mathf

barryr
01-06-2010, 06:32 AM
I wish Shahanan well, but glad he's not the Bronco coach. He inherits a pretty good defense with the Skins, so at least he won't have to do much in that regard, which Skins' fans should be happy considering his attempts and results in Denver to do it.

gunns
01-06-2010, 06:58 AM
Ditto. Mike was the man in denver. 1 postseason win after elway left?? How bout only 2 losing seasons his entire tenure here!! McDaniels already has one.

If you're saying McD already has one with 8-8 then you have to say Shanahan had 5 losing seasons here.

While I was glad to see Shanahan go, things had gotten stale, I'll always love what he did for Elway and the Broncos. No, I won't be rooting for Washington. They are right up there with Dallas, Oakland, hell, the rest of the league.

jhat01
01-06-2010, 07:21 AM
If you're saying McD already has one with 8-8 then you have to say Shanahan had 5 losing seasons here.

While I was glad to see Shanahan go, things had gotten stale, I'll always love what he did for Elway and the Broncos. No, I won't be rooting for Washington. They are right up there with Dallas, Oakland, hell, the rest of the league.

Yep, I won't be rooting either but I'll be paying attention...He was a darn good football coach for us and I wish him the best.

rmsanger
01-06-2010, 07:23 AM
I always find it so frustrating the disdain that many of the users on this forum have for former Broncos (Cutler, Shanny, and even Sharpe when he want to the Ravens).

TailgateNut
01-06-2010, 07:24 AM
i just read how they sue anyone and everyone who cant pay their tickets. most teams just give them to someone else as their is more than enough people to buy them, but the redskins give them to others while suing the original owner for default. its sad.

It's no different with the Broncos. They sued one of my best friends after his business closed due to the economy and he couldn't afford tix this year.

TailgateNut
01-06-2010, 07:24 AM
no the day they said good by pat said . "this is the hardest thing I ever had to do is giving up mike ".


that don't sound like a guy that wanted to fire his coach because of his job he was doing .

Oy ****ing vey!:spit:

barryr
01-06-2010, 07:26 AM
I always find it so frustrating the disdain that many of the users on this forum have for former Broncos (Cutler, Shanny,

Some feel that for current members on the team.

55CrushEm
01-06-2010, 07:48 AM
LMAO. Bowlen owned again. Mike bows to no man.

Good luck Mike. We'll be admiring your work from afar.

Of course you will. Funny how you guys wish Mike the best of luck, but you hope for the worst for our own coach.....amazing. For the record, I wish Mike luck too.....but not at the same time piss on our own guy.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-06-2010, 08:11 AM
Ditto. Mike was the man in denver. 1 postseason win after elway left?? How bout only 2 losing seasons his entire tenure here!! McDaniels already has one.

Mike's first season as HC wasn't exactly a triumph...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/1995.htm

Joe_Gibbs
01-06-2010, 08:20 AM
It has been a long time since I last posted here but I have always loved this board. This is one of the few boards that actually talks football intelligently.

Unfortunately with my awesome Redskins team exceeding expectations (sarcasm)every year its been kinda hard to bring any real discussion about my team here without crying. I even visted during the week we played each other but could not muster a comment because we flat out sucked. How we won the game still gave me no hope for the future. Until now!

10+ years of Snyder and the Vinny show can take a persons passion for a team and stomp on it. Nothing is a given but Redskins nation actually has hope again. I know most of you here loved Mike and now I love Mike. Dan Snyder has hired a real GM and a coach that for the first time in 10+ years gives us hope and a reason to believe we can be a proud franchise again.

We are also excited about his son Kyle coming on board as OC as he seems to have done a great job in Houston with Kubiak. Offense has been a circus for us the last two seasons and I believe these two will turn us around. Ha! That wont be hard. On defense we have good players in place and just need the right coordinator. We hear about Simmer from Cincy but we also hear about Slowik. I think Redskins nation wants Zimmer.

Anyways sorry for the long rant but we are excited again for the first time in a long time and have hope.

I hope you all have an awesome 2010 and a great season next year!

Drek
01-06-2010, 08:31 AM
While I don't really have much of an opinion on most of the thread, I think you're on a fantasy island if you think Shanny couldn't have had a head coaching job if he wanted it last year. I think he just wanted a down year.

If Mike Shanahan had wanted a job last year he would have had to A. forcibly inject himself into the candidate list. Well within his powers but not something you'd assume he'd do and B. take a pittance of a contract since the teams looking for coaches last year where almost all looking for low cost options. In which case it is irrelevant to Bowlen's bottom line.

The only place that probably would have been able to come up with the kind of long term scratch Shanahan is getting from Washington was the Jets. They had a pretty entrenched 3-4 system and a GM who had enough power to get the previous coach ousted in only three seasons. Doesn't sound like Shanahan's kind of job.

The notion that Bowlen expected Shanahan to pursue and win a job within just weeks of Bowlen firing him, and for that job to pay him anything close to the $7M Shanahan was owed per year, is simple fantasy.

What really happened was Bowlen finally deciding that the trade off in power within his organization (letting Mike run everything while he just signed the checks) was no longer worth the product on the field (.500 team over the last three seasons). Shanahan made it clear when he said Slowik would be back that he wasn't keen on even sharing the power. As a result Bowlen made the necessary move. Shanahan isn't a moron though and he spent the year off studying teams around the league, likely to try and understand why is teams have consistently been crushed by the same smash mouth teams, especially 3-4 defenses.

Arkie
01-06-2010, 08:31 AM
shanny had a good record against the last owner who fired him. when do we play the skins again?

spdirty
01-06-2010, 08:36 AM
shanny had a good record against the last owner who fired him. when do we play the skins again?

2013. Here. Should be fun.

TonyR
01-06-2010, 08:54 AM
Anyone else got a juvenile snicker out of this?

Good one. bpc is clearly on Shanny's staff, too, so to speak.

bowtown
01-06-2010, 08:54 AM
shanny had a good record against the last owner who fired him. when do we play the skins again?

Yeah, but that owner still owes him money.

ColoradoBuff
01-06-2010, 08:55 AM
Wish you the best Shanny!

broncofan7
01-06-2010, 08:55 AM
Good luck Mike---take it easy on my Iggles........

gtown
01-06-2010, 08:57 AM
Add Shanny to Snyder and you have an owner-coach duo that can't get enough of overpriced oft-injured formerly incarcerated FAs that like to eat at IHOP. This could easily be a disaster.

TonyR
01-06-2010, 08:57 AM
As for Bowlen, whatever.

Your disrespect for Bowlen is amusing. Bowlen is the guy who gave Shanahan the opportunity, paid him the millions, and shelled out big dollars for the players to accomplish what he did. He's also the guy who footed the bill for all of Shanahan's FA failures in the ten seasons after the Super Bowl years. Bowlen is paying Shanahan millions to do nothing and Mike is pocketing the money, but Bowlen's the bad guy? If you had a little perspective maybe you wouldn't come across as such an idiot.

TonyR
01-06-2010, 09:02 AM
Of course you will. Funny how you guys wish Mike the best of luck, but you hope for the worst for our own coach.....amazing. For the record, I wish Mike luck too.....but not at the same time piss on our own guy.

Well said. Some of these guys are such preposterous frauds. Any negative comment about a former Bronco is bad but hyterically ripping the current owner, coach, and players is fine. All one can do is shake one's head.

55CrushEm
01-06-2010, 09:09 AM
Yeah. What can you say about a supposed fan who is laughing at (what he thinks) is our owner getting "owned" again? It's like he is rooting against us.

I don't like to question other people's allegiances, but Chris seems to be more of a Shanahan fan than a Denver fan. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if this is all he needs to finally turn his back on the team.

Let's hope we are this lucky.

Traveler
01-06-2010, 09:11 AM
Your disrespect for Bowlen is amusing. Bowlen is the guy who gave Shanahan the opportunity, paid him the millions, and shelled out big dollars for the players to accomplish what he did. He's also the guy who footed the bill for all of Shanahan's FA failures in the ten seasons after the Super Bowl years. Bowlen is paying Shanahan millions to do nothing and Mike is pocketing the money, but Bowlen's the bad guy? If you had a little perspective maybe you wouldn't come across as such an idiot.

While I disagree with inferring someone is an idiot, I do agree that BPC has changed in the way he views the team now.


BPC used to be one of my favorites when it came to his takes on the team. Since Shanahans's firing, he been too sullen and critical for my taste. Maybe someday, he'll get back to the BPC we once knew.

Arkie
01-06-2010, 09:14 AM
2013. Here. Should be fun.

2013 will be his “98 broncos” if he's on the same pace.

55CrushEm
01-06-2010, 09:16 AM
As for Bowlen, whatever. As long as he signs the checks, and gives us the opportunity to win games, I'm happy with him.

Doesn't seem to coincide with your (and I'm paraphrasing) ..."Hahaha....Shanny stuck it to Bowlen" comment.

bpc
01-06-2010, 10:12 AM
It has been a long time since I last posted here but I have always loved this board. This is one of the few boards that actually talks football intelligently.

Unfortunately with my awesome Redskins team exceeding expectations (sarcasm)every year its been kinda hard to bring any real discussion about my team here without crying. I even visted during the week we played each other but could not muster a comment because we flat out sucked. How we won the game still gave me no hope for the future. Until now!

10+ years of Snyder and the Vinny show can take a persons passion for a team and stomp on it. Nothing is a given but Redskins nation actually has hope again. I know most of you here loved Mike and now I love Mike. Dan Snyder has hired a real GM and a coach that for the first time in 10+ years gives us hope and a reason to believe we can be a proud franchise again.

We are also excited about his son Kyle coming on board as OC as he seems to have done a great job in Houston with Kubiak. Offense has been a circus for us the last two seasons and I believe these two will turn us around. Ha! That wont be hard. On defense we have good players in place and just need the right coordinator. We hear about Simmer from Cincy but we also hear about Slowik. I think Redskins nation wants Zimmer.

Anyways sorry for the long rant but we are excited again for the first time in a long time and have hope.

I hope you all have an awesome 2010 and a great season next year!

You guys are in for some interesting years! One thing about Mike, he's always tweaking the roster in the offseason like a rubix-cube. Like him or not, he's a guy that lays it all on the line for his franchise.

I think he needs to get his system in place, and find a QB of the future, but there already a lot of positives on that Washington roster.

Enjoy! NFC East is already on notice! Mike easily will be bumping the Cowboys and Giants from a top the East. Andy Reid is a good coach though... Washington/Philly games are going to take on new meaning all together.

ScottXray
01-06-2010, 10:18 AM
Ditto. Mike was the man in denver. 1 postseason win after elway left?? How bout only 2 losing seasons his entire tenure here!! McDaniels already has one.

8-8 is not considered a losing season...If so Shanahan would have 5 at least.

Lets not confuse a .500 season with a losing one. Losing is LESS than .500.

bpc
01-06-2010, 10:25 AM
BTW, I think its funny that most of you are commenting that I rip current players and coaches... am I supposed to sit on my hands when things suck and not say anything? Should I be proud that our HC is manly enough to gripe to the media instead of talking to players face to face? People don't respect that ****.

We talk about class with Shanahan... when has McD exhibited that this year? Everybody called Cutler petulant and a spoiled brat, seems to me there were two sides that dispute last year and neither he nor McD would budge on any issue. Personally, I would expect the coach to be the bigger man. Unfortunately that assumption was wrong. Cutler didn't want to go into a place he wasn't supported as the QB, and McD wouldn't committ to him as the QB. They both looked like whiny little SOB's in hindsight and neither side would budge.

Look at more recently benching Scheff and Marshall... neither of those guys were told to their face by little Napolean of their transgretions, rather through the media. That's also how most of the team learned about it, when the news was running across the info bar on ESPN. That's weak, and cowardly... along with a piss poor way to coach. The sign of a true novice.

I've been a devout die-hard fan of this team since I can remember. I've been the same fan the whole way through. I was critical of the Reeves era, Phillips era, supportive of Shanahan but also critical in a lot of way. Then again, you have to see the big picture. I fully support McDaniels but from what i've seen, the controversy which has ensued and generally the poor way some things have gone, I reserve the right to be skeptical of the job which is being done.

In the end, Go BRONCOS. That currently also means, GO JOSH MCDANIELS. I support the man, and I hope he shatters Mike's win record, we win more super bowls than Mike gave us and everything else.

We'll see if it happens though.

broncofan7
01-06-2010, 10:34 AM
BTW, I think its funny that most of you are commenting that I rip current players and coaches... am I supposed to sit on my hands when things suck and not say anything? Should I be proud that our HC is manly enough to gripe to the media instead of talking to players face to face? People don't respect that ****.

We talk about class with Shanahan... when has McD exhibited that this year? Everybody called Cutler petulant and a spoiled brat, seems to me there were two sides that dispute last year and neither he nor McD would budge on any issue. Personally, I would expect the coach to be the bigger man. Unfortunately that assumption was wrong. Cutler didn't want to go into a place he wasn't supported as the QB, and McD wouldn't committ to him as the QB. They both looked like whiny little SOB's in hindsight and neither side would budge.

Look at more recently benching Scheff and Marshall... neither of those guys were told to their face by little Napolean of their transgretions, rather through the media. That's also how most of the team learned about it, when the news was running across the info bar on ESPN. That's weak, and cowardly... along with a piss poor way to coach. The sign of a true novice.

I've been a devout die-hard fan of this team since I can remember. I've been the same fan the whole way through. I was critical of the Reeves era, Phillips era, supportive of Shanahan but also critical in a lot of way. Then again, you have to see the big picture. I fully support McDaniels but from what i've seen, the controversy which has ensued and generally the poor way some things have gone, I reserve the right to be skeptical of the job which is being done.

In the end, Go BRONCOS. That currently also means, GO JOSH MCDANIELS. I support the man, and I hope he shatters Mike's win record, we win more super bowls than Mike gave us and everything else.

We'll see if it happens though.

Bingo--their blind(and I do mean BLIND) allegiance reflects poorly on those posters.......

55CrushEm
01-06-2010, 10:37 AM
Bingo--their blind(and I do mean BLIND) allegiance reflects poorly on those posters.......

It's all about spin, man. You call it blind allegiance by them.....but what YOU do is viewed as blind hatred by many.

bowtown
01-06-2010, 10:37 AM
Bingo--their blind(and I do mean BLIND) allegiance reflects poorly on those posters.......

Mirrors reflect poorly on you.

broncofan7
01-06-2010, 10:38 AM
Mirrors reflect poorly on you.

As usual for you--your posts are completely devoid of FACT. Mirrors LOVE ME.

TonyR
01-06-2010, 10:39 AM
...Mike easily will be bumping the Cowboys and Giants from a top the East...

Easily? The same way he "easily" bumped the Chargers his last few seasons in Denver?

broncofan7
01-06-2010, 10:40 AM
It's all about spin, man. You call it blind allegiance by them.....but what YOU do is viewed as blind hatred by many.

it's calling a spade a spade--8 & 8 is not an improvement--and a 2-8 finish is not the direction I want my beloved Broncos headed.........how anyone who cares about the Broncos can think that a 2-8 finish shows that we are headed in the right direction is beyond me.......

Disco Man
01-06-2010, 10:45 AM
1st move, trade Clinton Portis
2nd move, trade Jason Campbell

vancejohnson82
01-06-2010, 10:46 AM
it's calling a spade a spade--8 & 8 is not an improvement--and a 2-8 finish is not the direction I want my beloved Broncos headed.........how anyone who cares about the Broncos can think that a 2-8 finish shows that we are headed in the right direction is beyond me.......

Just a question...whats up with "Take it easy on my Iggles.."

I don't get it

55CrushEm
01-06-2010, 10:47 AM
it's calling a spade a spade--8 & 8 is not an improvement--and a 2-8 finish is not the direction I want my beloved Broncos headed.........how anyone who cares about the Broncos can think that a 2-8 finish shows that we are headed in the right direction is beyond me.......

And anyone who thinks a franchise can turn around mediocrity in ONE offseason is beyond me.

Honestly, man....this has been my biggest beef with you...that you seem so unwilling to give McD more than the one season he's just had......

broncofan7
01-06-2010, 10:48 AM
Just a question...whats up with "Take it easy on my Iggles.."

I don't get it
That's my home turf team--where I grew up--they are my 2nd favorite team--although since moving out of the area in 1995, I don't follow them nearly as closely as my beloved Broncos.......

broncofan7
01-06-2010, 10:52 AM
And anyone who thinks a franchise can turn around mediocrity in ONE offseason is beyond me.

Honestly, man....this has been my biggest beef with you...that you seem so unwilling to give McD more than the one season he's just had......

trading away Jay for ayers, orton and the 1st rounder this year took 3 pts/game away from the 2008 offense--and that discounts any improvement that group may have made had it stayed together--they did after all go from 20 in 2007 to 23 in 2008...........pairing the 2008 offense with the 2009 defense and we go 11-5.

HEAV
01-06-2010, 10:53 AM
8-8 is not considered a losing season...If so Shanahan would have 5 at least.

Lets not confuse a .500 season with a losing one. Losing is LESS than .500.


Shanny hasn't had a winning season since 2006.

Redskins (Snyder) overpaid for Shanny, but they needed to over pay just to keep the fans happy.

Without Elway Shanny had five (5) playoff games and one win. The Skins over that same time span had (5) playoff games and two wins.

One playoff victory and one division title since Elway retired...

Who was the QB for that title & win? Jake Plummer:welcome:

It's going to be interesting to see if Shanny can be the next Parcells/Holmgren (coaches that took two teams to super bowl) or the next former Super bowl coach that spurters with a new team.



P.S. Jus Fck'n put broncofan7 on ignore and move on with your life

Pick Six
01-06-2010, 10:53 AM
That's my home turf team--where I grew up--they are my 2nd favorite team--although since moving out of the area in 1995, I don't follow them nearly as closely as my beloved Broncos.......

OK. I'll bite. How did you become a Broncos fan, then?

broncofan7
01-06-2010, 10:56 AM
OK. I'll bite. How did you become a Broncos fan, then?

1st game I ever saw was SB 21--I got a boy's life magazine the next month with a John ELway poster in it and the rest is history--and after those SB losses, believe me, I took some heat in school........

broncofan7
01-06-2010, 10:58 AM
P.S. Jus Fck'n put broncofan7 on ignore and move on with your life

you're right--stick your head up your ass and wonder why it's dark when you open up your eyes...IDIOT.

bowtown
01-06-2010, 11:19 AM
1st game I ever saw was SB 21--I got a boy's life magazine the next month with a John ELway poster in it and the rest is history--and after those SB losses, believe me, I took some heat in school........

So many things about this post are hilarious to me.

azbroncfan
01-06-2010, 11:22 AM
That's my home turf team--where I grew up--they are my 2nd favorite team--although since moving out of the area in 1995, I don't follow them nearly as closely as my beloved Broncos.......

Go figure you started liking the broncos right at the Superbowl runs.

vancejohnson82
01-06-2010, 11:23 AM
1st game I ever saw was SB 21--I got a boy's life magazine the next month with a John ELway poster in it and the rest is history--and after those SB losses, believe me, I took some heat in school........

you grew up in Philly (United States) and the first game you EVER saw was when you were 12 years old?

azbroncfan
01-06-2010, 11:25 AM
It's going to be interesting to see if Shanny can be the next Parcells/Holmgren/Reeves/Vermeil (coaches that took two teams to super bowl) or the next former Super bowl coach that spurters with a new team.





Let's give credit where credit is due.

chex
01-06-2010, 11:26 AM
So many things about this post are hilarious to me.

God only knows what the Shanahan and Cutler posters must look like these days....

broncofan7
01-06-2010, 11:44 AM
Go figure you started liking the broncos right at the Superbowl runs.

yeah--when I was nine--go figure that the first game I would have seen would
have been a Super Bowl...........you're a real einstein.......

broncofan7
01-06-2010, 11:45 AM
you grew up in Philly (United States) and the first game you EVER saw was when you were 12 years old?

9 almost 10..they have my age wrong on here

azbroncfan
01-06-2010, 11:51 AM
yeah--when I was nine--go figure that the first game I would have seen would
have been a Super Bowl...........you're a real einstein.......

Nope your a banwagon Broncos fan that jumped on about the time the Eagles tanked and the Broncos were on the up and up. I live about an hour outside of Philly back then and the time frame matches up. I never was an Eagles fan either. Broncofan7=typical late 90's banwagon Denver fan.

broncofan7
01-06-2010, 11:54 AM
Broncofan7=typical late 90's banwagon Denver fan.

EXCEPT that is was the mid-late EIGHTIES GENIUS. :rofl:

and NEWSFLASH! WE LOST THAT GAME. !hilarious!

enough cavorting with you plebians.........

azbroncfan
01-06-2010, 11:58 AM
EXCEPT that is was the mid-late EIGHTIES GENIUS. :rofl:

and NEWSFLASH! WE LOST THAT GAME. !hilarious!

enough cavorting with you plebians.........

I'm going off of your moving out of PA in 1995 post. You just know I hit the nail on the head and said you were a fan since SB 21. Banwagonfan go figure.

bowtown
01-06-2010, 11:58 AM
EXCEPT that is was the mid-late EIGHTIES GENIUS. :rofl:

and NEWSFLASH! WE LOST THAT GAME. !hilarious!

enough cavorting with you plebians.........

And you've been rooting for us to lose ever since... touching.

worm
01-06-2010, 12:01 PM
I am shocked to see this has turned into a BF7 thread.

Regardless. Good luck Shanny. I think you, Bruce and Dan's $ will be a great recipe for success.

That front office combination seems light years ahead of what we have now in Denver.

Rulon Velvet Jones
01-06-2010, 12:02 PM
EXCEPT that is was the mid-late EIGHTIES GENIUS. :rofl:

and NEWSFLASH! WE LOST THAT GAME. !hilarious!

enough cavorting with you plebians.........

Is that a Transformer? GoBot? Voltron? What is that?

bendog
01-06-2010, 12:12 PM
I am shocked to see this has turned into a BF7 thread.

Regardless. Good luck Shanny. I think you, Bruce and Dan's $ will be a great recipe for success.

That front office combination seems light years ahead of what we have now in Denver.

it's all about deflecting any potential criticism of the current "regieme."

I'm sort of not happy he's going to where they treat the fans who signed up for season tix, and then can't afford them, so mercilessly. Bowlen dissrespected they guys who played before he bought the team, but he's light years ahead of Snyder in class. But, you're right. Washington's got the deepest pockets, and that means a lot to shanny. Thank God he didn't land in some place like Buffalo. Plus, Wash is not as bad as their record shows. I never liked Campbell, even at Auburn, but Wash has the 4 pick.

ps, you got tix for the saints? Not that i'm after any. I'll be lucky to have time for the tv.

broncofan7
01-06-2010, 12:16 PM
Is that a Transformer? GoBot? Voltron? What is that?

DUDE! It's PREDAking from Transformers! The BIGGEST ( & BEST)of the combining robot teams(Devastator, superion, etc)

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TonyR
01-06-2010, 12:17 PM
I think you, Bruce and Dan's $ will be a great recipe for success.

That front office combination seems light years ahead of what we have now in Denver.

Why? Seriously, I love what Shanahan did for the Broncos, I respect the guy, and I'll be rooting for him to succeed in D.C. But what has he done in the last ten years to give you so much confidence he'll be some wild success?

bpc
01-06-2010, 12:19 PM
Easily? The same way he "easily" bumped the Chargers his last few seasons in Denver?

Neither the Giants or the Boys have Marty Schottenheimer coaching them.

As that is, Denver had 1/2 the talent SD had his last few years in Denver.

Shanny > Wade, Shanny > Coughlin.

Reid should be a challenge for him. They'll have some classic duels.

chex
01-06-2010, 12:24 PM
As that is, Denver had 1/2 the talent SD had his last few years in Denver.





And whose fault is that? Is it the same person that will have total control in DC as well?

gtown
01-06-2010, 12:27 PM
Why? Seriously, I love what Shanahan did for the Broncos, I respect the guy, and I'll be rooting for him to succeed in D.C. But what has he done in the last ten years to give you so much confidence he'll be some wild success?

Have you seen his house? Dealing with the general contractor alone for that behemoth signals to me that Shanny is ready to reprise his GM/coach role in a big city.

bowtown
01-06-2010, 12:29 PM
And whose fault is that? Is it the same person that will have total control in DC as well?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pcipcC5wN8A/SPJZiqEKHhI/AAAAAAAAB38/8D7iiKd67tc/s400/Oh+Snap.jpg[

bpc
01-06-2010, 12:37 PM
And whose fault is that? Is it the same person that will have total control in DC as well?

There's a lot of reasons why. Sure, Shanny busted some picks. Everybody has busted picks in the NFL. You don't think the Steelers busted draft picks during the Cowher era? Belicheck during the Patriots era?

It happens. The draft is probably a 50/50 proposition in the 1st round and it declines each round after that.

This is a new day and age. Salaray cap ramifications affected losing guys like Reggie Hayward, Bert Berry and Trevor Pryce. Where did we have our biggest problems? Up front.

We also had career ending injuries to John Mobley and Al Wilson. Darrent Williams was a starter, he was shot and killed.

Also factor in that Denver never had a chance to rebuild with the best talent because they never really lost. How many times did they pick in the top 15 of the NFL draft? The opportunities afforded other teams rebuilding, were not the same for Denver as we were competing for the playoffs literally every year.

I'm not giving Shanny a pass on some of his transgretions, but we should look at all the facts.

worm
01-06-2010, 12:39 PM
Why? Seriously, I love what Shanahan did for the Broncos, I respect the guy, and I'll be rooting for him to succeed in D.C. But what has he done in the last ten years to give you so much confidence he'll be some wild success?

I think he drafted horrifically prior to 2006. Yet the Broncos were still competitive. Amazing when you look at his draft mistakes. This team never went through a losing\rebuilding period similar to past SB champions.

Instead the Broncos always provided interesting football late into the year while searching for the elusive combination of star players to put them over the top.

Yes the success was ultimately not there when it counted..which is why I am completely cool with the fact that he had to go. I just see the reasons of why Denver met with little success in the last decade as less about his x's and o'x coaching and more about a combination of other factors including retired stars, QB maturation, draft picks, injuries et al.

I think with a good GM like Bruce and the $ to execute a plan...Shanny is a top 3 coach in this league.

I think he did more with less than we had a right to expect.

worm
01-06-2010, 12:42 PM
it's all about deflecting any potential criticism of the current "regieme."

I'm sort of not happy he's going to where they treat the fans who signed up for season tix, and then can't afford them, so mercilessly. Bowlen dissrespected they guys who played before he bought the team, but he's light years ahead of Snyder in class. But, you're right. Washington's got the deepest pockets, and that means a lot to shanny. Thank God he didn't land in some place like Buffalo. Plus, Wash is not as bad as their record shows. I never liked Campbell, even at Auburn, but Wash has the 4 pick.

ps, you got tix for the saints? Not that i'm after any. I'll be lucky to have time for the tv.

Hey Dog. Glad to see you still alive and kicking. No tix for the Division game…but I have a line on some if they make it to the NFC CG.

Are you going to be in the Quarter over the next couple of weeks? It is impossible to not get swept up in what is happening. This is like revisiting BroncoMania again at its apex.

The City is off the hook…and that is saying something for a place that is use to big events and parties. This City and Team are intertwined in a way I have never seeing in professional sports. Anybody who thinks that a sport team can’t mean something much, much deeper to a place (those who missed out on BroncoMania for instance)…should visit New Orleans in the next couple weeks.

TonyR
01-06-2010, 12:44 PM
Jason Campbell finally blasts Clinton Portis finally blasts Clinton Portis
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 6, 2010 12:15 PM ET

Mike Shanahan is in Washington to cure the Redskins offense. But the team's biggest names still have some issues to work through.

Speaking on ESPN 980's "John Thompson Show" Wednesday Clinton Portis defended his relationship with Dan Snyder and said what a great teammate he is. Then he threw his quarterback under the bus, criticizing Jason Campbell's leadership and handling of his captaincy.

If we printed all the the insulting things Portis said, this would be a very long blog post. So we point you to the Washington Post to check them all out. It's fascinating stuff.

Campbell, informed of the comments, had enough. Portis' attitude for a now mediocre player is galling from afar. It has to be infuriating for the players who actually show up to practice.

"How is he going to say I'm not a leader?" Campbell said in a phone interview. "I mean, that's just not true. To me, that's somebody who shows that they don't know what a real leader is. A leader is not someone who leads by the wrong example. A leader is someone who is trying to do the right thing and trying to lead by example, and not just [being] about themselves.

"There's a reason guys get selected as captains, and there's a reason guys don't get selected as captains. Obviously, he doesn't have the respect of the locker room to be a captain. For someone to try to take a shot at me at the end of the season, after they haven't even been around, only speaks about their character anyway," Campbell said.

Good for Campbell. He's too classy to do this during the season, and he's already "squashed" the problem with Portis. His teammates, though, appreciated him firing back. They were quick to dump on Portis too.

Here's what Portis and even the anti-Portis segment of the Redskins fanbase don't seem to fully appreciate: There are 40 more valuable running backs in the NFL right now. He's just a guy, he can't break big plays, and a battered running back in decline doesn't magically turn his career around.

We know Portis has a ton of guaranteed money due next year, but incidents like this make it clear the team would just be better off cutting their losses now.

Ask the Chargers if they are enjoying paying LaDainian Tomlinson over $6 million to average 3.3 yards per carry. And he really is a team leader and franchise icon.

Ask the Chiefs about trying to milk another year from Larry Johnson's contract or the Seahawks what the last year of the Shaun Alexander era was like.

Mike Shanahan can build a better running game with no drama no name backs than dealing with Portis.

Mike Anderson is probably still in good shape, right?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/06/jason-campbell-finally-blasts-clinton-portis/

TonyR
01-06-2010, 12:45 PM
Redskins roundup: Campbell expected to stay
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 6, 2010 1:09 PM ET

There are so many stories percolating in Washington right now, we thought we'd put them all in one tidy post. Here goes.

Mike Shanahan wants a new quarterback, but that doesn't mean the end of Jason Campbell as a Redskin. Campbell is likely to be a restricted free agent, and Shanahan is expected to to bring Campbell back for one more season to pair with a rookie. It's for a low cost, so why not?

Shanahan will meet with the press at 2PM ET. We'll have it covered here on PFT.

Chris Cooley, the team's Pro Bowl tight end, also questioned the team offensive leadership. Even if he was more subtle than Clinton Portis.

Jerry Gray has told people he's optimistic about sticking, and getting an upgrade to defensive coordinator. Mike Zimmer and Jim Haslett have been floated as possibilities. If Gray gets the job, it will raise more questions about his "pre-interview" for the head coaching job.

Kyle Shanahan has agreed to become his father's offensive coordinator, as expected. It's reportedly been a done deal for weeks.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/06/redskins-roundup-campbell-expected-to-stay/

bowtown
01-06-2010, 12:54 PM
Redskins roundup: Campbell expected to stay
Kyle Shanahan has agreed to become his father's offensive coordinator, as expected. It's reportedly been a done deal for weeks.[/I]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/06/redskins-roundup-campbell-expected-to-stay/

Maybe Kyle will convince his Dad to trade a 5th for his tattoo mate.

chex
01-06-2010, 12:55 PM
There's a lot of reasons why. Sure, Shanny busted some picks. Everybody has busted picks in the NFL. You don't think the Steelers busted draft picks during the Cowher era? Belicheck during the Patriots era?

It happens. The draft is probably a 50/50 proposition in the 1st round and it declines each round after that.

This is a new day and age. Salaray cap ramifications affected losing guys like Reggie Hayward, Bert Berry and Trevor Pryce. Where did we have our biggest problems? Up front.

We also had career ending injuries to John Mobley and Al Wilson. Darrent Williams was a starter, he was shot and killed.

Also factor in that Denver never had a chance to rebuild with the best talent because they never really lost. How many times did they pick in the top 15 of the NFL draft? The opportunities afforded other teams rebuilding, were not the same for Denver as we were competing for the playoffs literally every year.

I'm not giving Shanny a pass on some of his transgretions, but we should look at all the facts.

Or to put it more bluntly, his personnel decisions were horrible.

Not picking in the top 15 is a weak excuse. How do teams like the Colts and Patriots keep drafting well and replacing departed players when they win year after year? They don’t seem to have a problem. Maybe because those guys don’t make it a habit of drafting someone with issues because “they would have gone higher if they didn’t.” George Foster? Willie Middlebrooks? And it’s funny how when it comes to Shanahan, drafting becomes a game of Russian roulette. 50/50 in the first round, and less after that? How come you never said that about McDaniels this year?

Who told Shanahan to trade up for stiffs like Jarvis Moss, Paul Toviessi, Dorsett Davis, Maurice Clarett, etc.? Who told him to hold on to slugs like Travis McGriff and Chris Cole like they were his sons? How many WR’s did he draft? How many actually contributed? Marcus Nash? Darius Watts? And as far as salary cap issues goes, maybe if Shanahan didn’t piss money away on guys like Dale Carter and IHOP, maybe we would have had money for Heyward and Berry. These are all reasons why he has one playoff win in his last 10 years as a coach.

Face it, he was a lousy personnel guy, and a coach that did enough to justify his uber-position within the organization. 1/3 of his wins in Denver came in his first 4 years, which coincidentally enough, is when he had Elway as his QB.

broncofan7
01-06-2010, 12:58 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d8158ce92/Redskins-introduce-Shanahan

4 minutes of his press conference

chex
01-06-2010, 01:03 PM
I think with a good GM like Bruce and the $ to execute a plan...Shanny is a top 3 coach in this league.



What good is Allen when Shanahan has final say over everything?

Bruce Allen: Mike, I think this guy would be a great fit for our team. We should draft him here.

Mike Shanahan: That's great Bruce, but I don't think so. I like this guy, and he wouldnt've been available to us if he didn't miss his entire senior year to injury. By the way, my cup looks a little empty. What do you propose to do about it?

Bruce Allen: I'm on it Mr. Shanahan.

TonyR
01-06-2010, 01:09 PM
What good is Allen when Shanahan has final say over everything?


Makes one wonder how long Allen will last in that role. At some point there will be conflict, Snyder will be forced to choose sides, and Allen will "retire to pursue other interests". Unless he's fine with collecting a large paycheck which he doesn't really earn, and maybe he will be.

Beantown Bronco
01-06-2010, 01:11 PM
Who told Shanahan to trade up for stiffs like Jarvis Moss, Maurice Clarett, etc.? .

#1 - Jim Bates
#2 - They didn't trade up for MOC

rastaman
01-06-2010, 01:27 PM
but.. but....butt....... mikey! and jay jay!?!

rastaclown & bpc

Hey Bomb-Bi*ch why don't you lift your "Skirt" and let McD have a looksee that your sex change is coming along nicely.

azbroncfan
01-06-2010, 01:36 PM
Also factor in that Denver never had a chance to rebuild with the best talent because they never really lost. How many times did they pick in the top 15 of the NFL draft? The opportunities afforded other teams rebuilding, were not the same for Denver as we were competing for the playoffs literally every year.

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That is a BS excuse. Why haven't KC, Oakland, Cleveland and a bunch of other bottom feeders turned it around? I seriously think there is nothing as overrated as NFL first round picks. They are expensive at the top end and rarely meet the expectations. It seems to me there are just as many hits in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. All you can hope for is 3 to 4 starters out of a draft and a couple of Shanny's drafts netted nothing but potential.

Dagmar
01-06-2010, 01:39 PM
Hey Bomb-Bi*ch why don't you lift your "Skirt" and let McD have a looksee that your sex change is coming along nicely.

That's some quality smack there. Right there. Zing.

No.

Wait.

It's not. It's the smack of a 5th grade retard.

bendog
01-06-2010, 01:43 PM
Worm, I'm pretty tied up being "Dad" and driving my kid to practices. I usually leave work early at least once a week, and looking at twice a week for the rest of the school year, and then both Sat and Sun, I'm driving. I get to the gym, but that's about my only "outing." We went down to Nola a couple of times when the city was on it's knees to spend money.

As for shanny and personnel, the guy can't draft defense for his life. And mediator might hate it, but shanny did give his DC's what they asked for. Trevor Pryce eating up the cap at DE, and then not showing up when it counted, pretty much doomed Ray Rhodes traditional 4-3 scheme. Heywierd got hurt. Berry didn't get shown the money and left mad.

People forget that offensively he built one offense that was one play from beating Balt in the playoffs. then he rebuilt it again for Jake, winning 13 games with Sonic and Shannon and Jake rolling, but Jake choked/just couldn't get it done against Pitt. And Pitt killed the defense keeping in 8 and even 9 to block the blitz and running one and two man routes that got open. Imo that game took a lot out of Shanny.

I think Shanny's last three drafts line up ok against anyone else's
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2006/draft/teams/broncos.html

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/teams/broncos.html
I didn't like them giving up all the back end for Thomas, but I thought then he could be an outstanding value, and he has been

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2008/draft/teams/broncos.html

The only first round bust was Moss, and I didn't like the pick at the time, but again, shanny has a weakness on defense. Mayby allen can help him out. However the conventional wisdom here seems to be that shanny was overrulling his defensive staff on draft picks, and I don't think that was the case at all. I think you had scouts and coaches with different opinions, and shanny had to make the decision. Hopefully, he'll have more trust in allen on defense. But offensively, there ain't anyone better.

I really thought he did a good job in 2004 too.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2004/draft/teams/broncos.html. He got Champ that year too, figuring in the Sonic trade. The back end was week.


In 2005, he managed it well because the draft was deep in corners in the mid rounds, and he maximized his picks.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/teams/broncos.html

I don't know where paymah is but Foxworth was playing in Atl. DW ... well **** happens.

I was a little miffed they brought in Dre after all that.

Pick Six
01-06-2010, 02:24 PM
Paymah is with the Vikings, bendog...

rastaman
01-06-2010, 02:37 PM
And anyone who thinks a franchise can turn around mediocrity in ONE offseason is beyond me.

Honestly, man....this has been my biggest beef with you...that you seem so unwilling to give McD more than the one season he's just had......

Mediocrity! Really? When was the last time in Shanny's 14 years as HC has the Broncos finished 2-8 over their last 10 games!

Thus far over the last 10 games McD has brought MEDIOCRITY to the Broncos under the veiled excuse that he's brining a winning tradition back the Broncos.

McD won't be judged over his 6-0 start, McD is currently under the microscope for his epic collapse of having gone 2-8 over the last 10 games.

Right now intelligent fans won't pay much attention to wins in Sep-Oct and will pay more attention how McD leads this team to wins in November and December.

Fans are tired of the history of collapses in November and December....period.

bendog
01-06-2010, 02:42 PM
Crushaholic, I can't root for Favre. (-:

On a positive note, I was hoping Nolan would be the head coach, and Bates the OC! lol

2KBack
01-06-2010, 03:17 PM
As for shanny and personnel, the guy can't draft defense for his life. And mediator might hate it, but shanny did give his DC's what they asked for. Trevor Pryce eating up the cap at DE, and then not showing up when it counted, pretty much doomed Ray Rhodes traditional 4-3 scheme. Heywierd got hurt. Berry didn't get shown the money and left mad.

People forget that offensively he built one offense that was one play from beating Balt in the playoffs. then he rebuilt it again for Jake, winning 13 games with Sonic and Shannon and Jake rolling, but Jake choked/just couldn't get it done against Pitt. And Pitt killed the defense keeping in 8 and even 9 to block the blitz and running one and two man routes that got open. Imo that game took a lot out of Shanny.

you've forgotten that neither sonic or Shannon were on the 2005 team, and that Denver was blown out 21-3 against Baltimore, they were not one play away.

He also blew up and rebuilt the offense over and over again, while ignoring the defense. As far as I'm concerned blowing up the team again in 2005 was it. For as great a gameday coach as Shanahan was, his impatience when it comes to building a soild overall team hamstrung the franchise.

vancejohnson82
01-06-2010, 03:51 PM
Mediocrity! Really? When was the last time in Shanny's 14 years as HC has the Broncos finished 2-8 over their last 10 games!

Thus far over the last 10 games McD has brought MEDIOCRITY to the Broncos under the veiled excuse that he's brining a winning tradition back the Broncos.

McD won't be judged over his 6-0 start, McD is currently under the microscope for his epic collapse of having gone 2-8 over the last 10 games.

Right now intelligent fans won't pay much attention to wins in Sep-Oct and will pay more attention how McD leads this team to wins in November and December.

Fans are tired of the history of collapses in November and December....period.

dude...you are a broken record...if he would have gone 0-6 to start and then finished 8-2 you would still be on here bitching like a girl who didnt get called back after a public restroom blowjob