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Popps
01-04-2010, 11:49 AM
So, we've seen a ton of "fantasy" scenarios being played out around here with regards to "what-ifs," etc.

After posting another thread showing Shanny/McDaniels first season as head coaches being very similar in almost every measurable way, I stumbled upon a thought....

What if McDaniels had inherited this exact team, only with John Elway at the QB position? So, you can remove any players acquired in the Cutler trade from your equation.

Just curious if people think Elway would have made a difference this season.

What would our record have been?

broncosteven
01-04-2010, 11:53 AM
I am guessing McD would have traded Elway away before TC.

LOL

I AM KINDA JOKING PEOPLE. Kinda

DrFate
01-04-2010, 11:53 AM
What an assinine thread...

TheDave
01-04-2010, 11:55 AM
6-10 john would have trouble running this offense at his age.

Pony Boy
01-04-2010, 11:55 AM
The thought of Elway to Marshall gives me a chubby.

jhns
01-04-2010, 11:56 AM
Are we talking a rookie Elway or a veteran Elway that Shanahan got? We would have been 19-0 this year with Elway. Even McDaniels couldn't make him bad. The offensive line wouldn't have suddenly become a problem and all receivers other than Marshall wouldn't have forgotten how to play. The good defense they built wouldn't have worn down and lost confidence from having to bail out the offense so much. The world would be a wonderful place with rainbows and sunshine every day.

Popps
01-04-2010, 11:57 AM
Are we talking a rookie Elway or a veteran Elway that Shanahan got? .

Same Elway Shanahan got. (Which was probably the most effective of his career, overall.)

Popps
01-04-2010, 11:58 AM
What an assinine thread...

Just vote, smile... and move on.

Broncoman13
01-04-2010, 12:04 PM
Just vote, smile... and move on.

Some people just can't have fun can they!!!

Popps
01-04-2010, 12:09 PM
Some people just can't have fun can they!!!

Well, it gave someone a "chubby," so some people are doing O.K. with it.

:rofl:

gyldenlove
01-04-2010, 12:19 PM
6-10 john would have trouble running this offense at his age.

Elway has trouble running anything at his age, hasn't he had bilateral knee replacement surgery?

WolfpackGuy
01-04-2010, 12:22 PM
10-6 with a 49 year old Elway.

Garcia Bronco
01-04-2010, 12:25 PM
Shanahan basically coached Elway his entire Pro career

Popps
01-04-2010, 12:27 PM
Elway has trouble running anything at his age, hasn't he had bilateral knee replacement surgery?

Obviously, we're talking the Elway that Shanahan inherited when he took over as coach.

Aren't you supposed to be taking a year off?

Didn't we talk about this?

broncosteven
01-04-2010, 12:27 PM
Same Elway Shanahan got. (Which was probably the most effective of his career, overall.)

So do we have to figure out the record based on Elway being limited to the pocket like Orton was due to lack of mobility?

If so then I give him 8-8 behind the same line.

If McD designed a gameplan that played to Elway's strengths, which I have not seen McD do all year, then I would go with 11-5. I am guessing John would have a few more Comebacks than Orton did this year if he was not restricted to the pocket and forced to wear 20lbs of weights on each leg to make him as slow as Orton is.

All I am saying is that if John was forced to throw to Clady it would have worked and been the best play ever.

colonelbeef
01-04-2010, 12:30 PM
6-10 john would have trouble running this offense at his age.

haha

WolfpackGuy
01-04-2010, 12:34 PM
If McD designed a gameplan that played to Elway's strengths


NO WAY that would happen

Bubble screens and runs for losses galore

Popps
01-04-2010, 12:34 PM
So do we have to figure out the record based on Elway being limited to the pocket like Orton was due to lack of mobility?

If so then I give him 8-8 behind the same line.

If McD designed a gameplan that played to Elway's strengths, which I have not seen McD do all year, then I would go with 11-5. I am guessing John would have a few more Comebacks than Orton did this year if he was not restricted to the pocket and forced to wear 20lbs of weights on each leg to make him as slow as Orton is.

All I am saying is that if John was forced to throw to Clady it would have worked and been the best play ever.

Well, Shanahan didn't "devise a game plan to Elway's strengths." In fact, John did indeed struggle a bit to get comfortable in the system. He said so himself. (And it showed.)

So, no... it would just be John playing in the system we're implementing.

(Which I think he would have actually been nicely suited to... as a side note.)

Old Dude
01-04-2010, 12:40 PM
We would have lost the Cincy game, since only an insane pass would have worked in that context and Elway would never have thrown it.

We would have lost the Redskins game and the Chargers rematch, assuming that Elway would have gotten dinged up like Orton.

We would have won the New England game in any event, because Elway always beat the Pats, period.

I am pretty sure he could have pulled out the Raiders rematch.

We would have still been killed by Baltimore and Pittsburgh. Not sure about the KC rematch. If Elway had no running game and a defense that gave up 300 yards rushing - - meh - - it would have been tough.

He might have been able to pull a win out the Philly game, provided that his receivers didn't drop as many passes. Oops. But wait, they probably would anyway.

Okay, I come up with either 8-8 or 9-7 and either way we miss the playoffs.

Popps
01-04-2010, 12:57 PM
Interesting responses so far.

woodall
01-04-2010, 01:08 PM
McDaniels would have run Elway out of Denver because McDouchebag wants all the credit and having an elite quarterback means that he would have to share the credit. Joshie would rather try to win with a Matt Cassel or Kyle Orton because then everyone can see how "smart" he is.

yavoon
01-04-2010, 01:14 PM
48-0 we'd play 3 teams a week because elway is that awesome.

Taco John
01-04-2010, 01:15 PM
I want to vote 11 wins, but I'll be conservative and vote 10.

no-pseudo-fan
01-04-2010, 01:19 PM
11 is not enough. I say 13. We beat Indy, Philly, Oak, KC, SD and Wash with Elway.

bloodsunday
01-04-2010, 01:33 PM
Gosh I don't know. While I love John, we have to be honest and admit it wasn't until the arrival of TD and Gary Zimmerman and Co. that this team dominated.

In John's early years when we made the playoffs consistently, our D was pretty good, and John bailed the O out. This team this year went downhill on both sides of the ball.

I voted that he might be good for one or two more games.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-04-2010, 01:56 PM
He'd break off 2k in our system?

colonelbeef
01-04-2010, 02:24 PM
Well, Shanahan didn't "devise a game plan to Elway's strengths." In fact, John did indeed struggle a bit to get comfortable in the system. He said so himself. (And it showed.)

So, no... it would just be John playing in the system we're implementing.

(Which I think he would have actually been nicely suited to... as a side note.)

What the hell are you talking about? Are those your fingers typing or your ass?

Elway immediately improved the year that Shanahan took over. In 1995, shanahan's first as HC of the Broncos, Elway threw for a career high 26 Tds and 3970 yards, his 2nd highest career total.

broncolife
01-04-2010, 02:45 PM
13-3

Batlimore- Loss
Pitts-Loss
Chargers-Loss

Popps
01-04-2010, 03:00 PM
What the hell are you talking about? Are those your fingers typing or your ass?

Elway immediately improved the year that Shanahan took over. In 1995, shanahan's first as HC of the Broncos, Elway threw for a career high 26 Tds and 3970 yards, his 2nd highest career total.

John's season was much stronger in the 2nd half.

He threw only 5 Tds in the first five games.

He threw 10 TDs through 8 games.

He certainly improved on the season, but he himself (and Shanahan) said there would be an adjustment period for John to become a pocket-passing, West Coast QB.

John threw 16 TDs in the 2nd half, and was clearly more comfortable in the offense at that point.


So, for any great QB, there's an adjustment period to a new offense.

Beyond that, did you have a point, Colon-beef? Or, is this just your usual crybaby stuff?

SureShot
01-04-2010, 03:05 PM
10-6 at least and Apa would bash him for being a drunk.

Popps
01-04-2010, 03:27 PM
Well, overwhelmingly... people feel like we would have been a playoff team with Elway.

I have to agree.

Mike Shanahan was very lucky to have a HOF QB in place to help smooth out the transition of changing systems/personnel.

I guess that means 8-8 isn't a total disaster for McDaniels, considering he did it with Kyle Orton.

I guess now we can see what the 2nd year in the system... and continued upgrades in personnel brings.

gunns
01-04-2010, 04:56 PM
If Elway could take us to 3 SB's in Reeves system, he'd have gotten us a playoff spot this year.

extralife
01-04-2010, 05:03 PM
17-0, John buys us everything plus a game that doesn't formally exist

DBroncos4life
01-04-2010, 05:09 PM
This system would be better suited for Joe Montana or Phil Simms. Elway would still win us 11 or more games. I can tell you one thing Royal wouldn't be sitting at 30 something catches with Elway.