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Northman
01-03-2010, 07:54 PM
Denver Broncos coach Josh McDaniels decided to bench wide receiver Brandon Marshall for the regular-season finale after he was late to a scheduled therapy session with the Denver medical staff for treatment of a hamstring injury the team already believed he was exaggerating, according to multiple team sources.

Both Marshall and tight end Tony Scheffler have been advised they will not be permitted on the sideline or in the locker room when the Broncos play the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday in a game with playoff implications. It is the team's policy not to allow inactive players on the sideline or in the locker room.

The Broncos sent Marshall for an MRI on his hamstring after he complained of the injury during Wednesday's practice. According to team sources, the test indicated that Marshall's hamstring was healthy.

The latest showdown between the head coach and the Pro Bowl receiver actually began the week before when Marshall excused himself from practice, complaining the cold weather was making it difficult for him to breathe.

Then, as the team reviewed tape of its loss to the Philadelphia Eagles, in which Marshall dropped several passes, McDaniels mentioned that certain plays had to be made. Marshall apparently felt he was being unfairly singled out for criticism.

According to Broncos sources, the problems with Marshall and Scheffler came after team leaders including Brian Dawkins, Champ Bailey, Kyle Orton, D.J. Williams and Daniel Graham all met with McDaniels on Monday and encouraged him to take a hardline approach in preparing the team to finish the season against the Chiefs.

That development, combined with a home loss to the Raiders, compelled McDaniels to emphasize the need for accountability in a full team meeting Wednesday. It was later that day when Marshall complained about his hamstring.

Scheffler was presumably demoted to the scout team after he was overheard telling teammates that he couldn't wait for Denver's season to end.

The Broncos do not think it's a coincidence that Marshall became a distraction almost immediately after achieving several personal goals, including having another 100-catch season and making the Pro Bowl. McDaniels has been implementing a team-first mentality similar to that he experienced while part of Bill Belichick's staff with the three-time Super Bowl champion New England Patriots.

It's possible Marshall has played his last game with the Broncos, sources close to the situation told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Marshall is scheduled to be a free agent this offseason, and will be a restricted free agent if next season is uncapped, as is expected.

In an uncapped year, the Broncos would be expected to tender Marshall at the highest level possible -- one worth a first- and third-round draft choice. If another team signed Marshall to an offer sheet, Denver would have seven days to match it. If Denver opted not to match the offer -- and the Broncos have shown little inclination of signing him to a long-term deal -- then Marshall would become the other teams' property and Denver would get back first- and third-round draft choices.

Because Marshall would be a free agent, Denver could not trade Marshall without his signing an offer sheet with another team.

Ed Werder is an NFL reporter for ESPN. ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter contributed to this report.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4792471

Get these pussies off my favorite team. lol

KevinJames
01-03-2010, 07:59 PM
W T F

so if this is true it means he was indeed dogging the hamstring injury?

SoCalBronco
01-03-2010, 08:01 PM
In the interest of fairness....keep in mind that this is the team's story. There are always two sides to everything. Just because side X said that oh this player did this or said that doesn't mean its true....and the same is true for whatever Marshall and Scheffler assert as what happened as well.

Archer81
01-03-2010, 08:03 PM
In the interest of fairness....keep in mind that this is the team's story. There are always two sides to everything. Just because side X said that oh this player did this or said that doesn't mean its true....and the same is true for whatever Marshall and Scheffler assert as what happened as well.


Hmm...following this team lately is better than daytime TV.


:Broncos:

Northman
01-03-2010, 08:03 PM
In the interest of fairness....keep in mind that this is the team's story. There are always two sides to everything. Just because side X said that oh this player did this or said that doesn't mean its true....and the same is true for whatever Marshall and Scheffler assert as what happened as well.


Just like the beginning of the season. Unfortuantely, in Brandon's case his history is far more sketchy than McD's is. Not too mention its been reported numerous times that Dawkins and company went to McD to have that addressed. Where there's smoke there is fire.

ayjackson
01-03-2010, 08:04 PM
This is obviously a BS report. It's McD's fault.

Broncoman13
01-03-2010, 08:08 PM
Bye bye Brandon, he did what we needed him to do this year to get some value for him. I just hope that McD didn't blow that by bashing him in the nat'l media. We would have been better off saying, "Man, did you see what he did for us this year, of course we're going to keep him." Now Marshall will most likely get lowballed and we'll have to decide if the draft picks are worth the loss in production.. which is pretty much a foregone conclusion at this point.

scttgrd
01-03-2010, 08:09 PM
Just like the beginning of the season. Unfortuantely, in Brandon's case his history is far more sketchy than McD's is. Not too mention its been reported numerous times that Dawkins and company went to McD to have that addressed. Where there's smoke there is fire.

McDaniels is a lying sack of crap. Why would anyone trust a word that comes out of his mouth?

KipCorrington25
01-03-2010, 08:13 PM
If we got a first and a third then it's totally worth it!

Fusionfrontman
01-03-2010, 08:15 PM
Ugh... Sheffler is a douche. If he really did say that then I am glad the team said something. I can't stand him. Average one dimensional TE who is made of porcelin.

strafen
01-03-2010, 08:15 PM
I'll be shocked if Marshall is back next year.

KevinJames
01-03-2010, 08:16 PM
Welcome to Denver Dez Bryant

broncosteven
01-03-2010, 08:18 PM
If we got a first and a third then it's totally worth it!

Not if they have the years that Ayers and Quinn (we had no 3rd last year that I remember) had.

orangenblue
01-03-2010, 08:19 PM
If we got a first and a third then it's totally worth it!

That's what I'm saying! The Rams need a WR and we need their 1st. In my dreams!

Archer81
01-03-2010, 08:21 PM
That's what I'm saying! The Rams need a WR and we need their 1st. In my dreams!


Well...Marshall wouldnt have to worry about cold air in a dome.


:Broncos:

Fusionfrontman
01-03-2010, 08:22 PM
I still want Marshall back. Fact is he produces, and one player who is slightly difficult but talented is better than 53 Nuns that suck.

Williams
01-03-2010, 08:30 PM
If true, I agree... get this pussy off my team. He'll be missed on the field but if we can finagle Dez Bryant and a third... git 'r done.

Popps
01-03-2010, 08:30 PM
"excused himself from practice?"


Yea, like I said, Rod Smith never pulled this ****.


What a joke.

Popps
01-03-2010, 08:34 PM
McDaniels is a lying sack of crap. Why would anyone trust a word that comes out of his mouth?

Because McDaniels has a clean history and Marshall is a constant circus.

Ambiguous
01-03-2010, 08:41 PM
"excused himself from practice?"


Yea, like I said, Rod Smith never pulled this ****.


What a joke.

Not to mention... This is ****ing football! If you can't play in the cold, you can't play (you suck or you are a pussy, probably the latter).

I'm just taking this at face value, and if it's true, **** you Brandon Marshall. You have some good stats which the Broncos have given you, but you haven't done **** for this team. You've been the best player in the era of the ****tiest Broncos since the 70's.

Good riddance, asshole.

SoCalBronco
01-03-2010, 09:17 PM
Josina seems to be referring to the above report...like I said folks, there is always 2 sides to everything, although it isn't totally clear what she is implying:

Interesting that "Team McDaniels" seemingly leaked info to ESPN's Ed Werder before the game against the Chiefs. So it seems I say.
3 minutes ago from txt

http://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson

long beach bronco
01-03-2010, 09:52 PM
I am so sick of this soap opera, ever since Mcd was hired here, there has been nothing but drama with him and offensive players. To start his hiring drama, to end the year, more drama. Another year of mediocrity and yet another collapse. I am so sick to my stomach with this team. We let the chiefs look like worldbeaters out there, that was unacceptable, more than just Marshall and Scheff quit. The defense quit too.

McDman
01-03-2010, 10:44 PM
My guess is he got somewhat hurt and realized that his payday in free agency would go down if he played and injured himself further. He clearly would rather make his money than help this team win.

It's very unfortunate that within two years we will have lost two young offensive talents with a lot of potential.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-03-2010, 10:49 PM
I'll be shocked if Marshall is back next year.

Good riddance to that cancer. :thumbsup:

BroncoBuff
01-03-2010, 10:54 PM
Josh has only himself to blame for this mess ... Marshall acted like a spoiled baby all through camp and beyond, but Josh insisted on coddling him, and feeding him, feeding him, feeding him. Fed him so much he set an all-time single game record. And now ... surprise! Brandon's acting like a spoiled baby again. Imagine that.

And oh yeah. All those touches he fed that spoiled baby left good soldiers Eddie Royal and Tony Scheffler understandably peeved.

Nice job, Josh.

Rabb
01-03-2010, 10:56 PM
I still want Marshall back. Fact is he produces, and one player who is slightly difficult but talented is better than 53 Nuns that suck.

I would have agreed with you before the latest stunt, it's clear that this isn't working and it is time to move on and I truly don't care who's "fault" it is because it doesn't matter

Gaffney did just fine in there for him which tells me the system will get the top guy as many opportunities as he can handle, buh bye Brandon

1st and a 3rd sounds good to me right now

Crushaholic
01-04-2010, 09:56 AM
I would have agreed with you before the latest stunt, it's clear that this isn't working and it is time to move on and I truly don't care who's "fault" it is because it doesn't matter

Gaffney did just fine in there for him which tells me the system will get the top guy as many opportunities as he can handle, buh bye Brandon

1st and a 3rd sounds good to me right now

Gaffney proved that we don't need Marshall and his baggage. That's the only good thing that came out of the Chiefs game...

BabyTO
01-04-2010, 10:04 AM
According to team sources, the test indicated that Marshall's hamstring was healthy.
just like last year? Hilarious!

Beantown Bronco
01-04-2010, 10:05 AM
just like last year? Hilarious!

Different test, different equipment, different part of the body, and different doctors for all we know.

Popps
01-04-2010, 10:10 AM
Any of you guys "excuse yourself" from work today?

Let me know how that works out.

RunSilentRunDeep
01-04-2010, 10:16 AM
If we got a first and a third then it's totally worth it!

Not if it's Jarvis Moss and Karl Paymah.

TonyR
01-04-2010, 10:22 AM
All those touches he fed that spoiled baby left good soldiers Eddie Royal and Tony Scheffler understandably peeved.


I'm not sure Scheffler is a "good soldier", and I've never seen/heard/read anything to indicated Eddie is "peeved" but perhaps I missed it.

And when did McD "coddle" Marshall? And how was it a mistake to throw to your best player?

hades
01-04-2010, 10:30 AM
TO produced in Dallas last year, gone this year and Dallas did pretty well. Others can step up and fill the void with less drama, hopefully!

HEAV
01-04-2010, 10:37 AM
Josh has only himself to blame for this mess ... Marshall acted like a spoiled baby all through camp and beyond, but Josh insisted on coddling him, and feeding him, feeding him, feeding him. Fed him so much he set an all-time single game record. And now ... surprise! Brandon's acting like a spoiled baby again. Imagine that.

And oh yeah. All those touches he fed that spoiled baby left good soldiers Eddie Royal and Tony Scheffler understandably peeved.

Nice job, Josh.



What planet are you from?

Northman
01-04-2010, 10:51 AM
Any of you guys "excuse yourself" from work today?

Let me know how that works out.


At 40, i was out in a t-shirt and shorts in 30 degree weather. I was breathing fine. :rofl:

Gort
01-04-2010, 10:51 AM
53 Nuns that suck.

i'll take "porn titles" for $100, alex.

Archer81
01-04-2010, 01:05 PM
TO produced in Dallas last year, gone this year and Dallas did pretty well. Others can step up and fill the void with less drama, hopefully!


Gaffney took Marshall's spot and had a 14 catch day. I'd say finding guys wont be impossible.


:Broncos:

fontaine
01-04-2010, 01:23 PM
If Marshall was giving up then we need to get rid of him.

But in the interest of fairness let's not forget that the team doctors etc mis diagnosed, or failed before. Last year Marshall had leg injury issues but he still played through them only to find out later in the offseason that he needed hip surgery all along.

Not to mention Cutler's failed detection of diabetes for an entire season and so on.

Garcia Bronco
01-04-2010, 01:23 PM
AS soon as we get the pussies and farts off this team the better off we'll be.

Beantown Bronco
01-04-2010, 01:26 PM
If Marshall was giving up then we need to get rid of him.

But in the interest of fairness let's not forget that the team doctors etc mis diagnosed, or failed before. Last year Marshall had leg injury issues but he still played through them only to find out later in the offseason that he needed hip surgery all along.

Not to mention Cutler's failed detection of diabetes for an entire season and so on.

Do we know for sure the doctors weren't fired last year? These could be new or at least different doctors this year.

And misdiagnosing hips is a lot different from reading an MRI for a hammy.

And the Cutler stuff was ALL on Cutler. They kept trying to get him in for blood tests, but he kept canceling. He admitted this.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-04-2010, 01:27 PM
Not if they have the years that Ayers and Quinn (we had no 3rd last year that I remember) had.

Man, it's a shame players don't get more than one season to prove themselves. Especially rookies! I mean, why aren't they going to the pro bowl like every other rookie!?!??!?!??!?!??!!

fontaine
01-04-2010, 01:28 PM
"excused himself from practice?"


Yea, like I said, Rod Smith never pulled this ****.


What a joke.

Yeah he was a tough son of gun allright. But the year Rod was the only receiver we had he played through multiple ankle/leg injuries which turned out to be stress fractures and hip cartiledge injuries that required surgery.

He was never the same WR after that.

When it comes to injuries and what not, the last people I would trust regarding a players welfare are doctors/physios on the team's pay roll.

barryr
01-04-2010, 01:32 PM
Yeah, none of it can be true. McDaniels benching players for no reason the last game of the season with the playoffs on the line makes much more sense.

fontaine
01-04-2010, 01:35 PM
Do we know for sure the doctors weren't fired last year? These could be new or at least different doctors this year.

And misdiagnosing hips is a lot different from reading an MRI for a hammy.

And the Cutler stuff was ALL on Cutler. They kept trying to get him in for blood tests, but he kept canceling. He admitted this.



Thanks, I didn't know that about Cutler. I don't know if the doctors were fired or not.

I'm going by on what happened last year regarding his injuries and eventual surgery as well as watching him play this year where the lays his body on the line all the time.

Did he have a few drops to go along with the spectacular one handed grabs? Sure, every WR does.

Was he truely dogging it? Well, nobody except Marshall knows.

But that's not really the point. If other coaches like Bellichick can work with Moss who still routinely, BLATANTLY takes plays off, and other bigger head cases around the league then what the hell makes McD ultra special that he can't handle a few egos?

There are ultra talented WRs around the league. Some of them are idiots, some of them are not. Guys like Rod Smith are the exception.

Marshall isn't the problem with this team. On the whole he's a great asset and if he's run out of town then it creates yet another ****ing hole to fill.

fontaine
01-04-2010, 01:38 PM
Yeah, none of it can be true. McDaniels benching players for no reason the last game of the season with the playoffs on the line makes much more sense.

Who cares about that now? It's about going forward and getting the best team out there.

Trading a 100 catch big time WR is not the way to go. If McD can be in a team where a guy like Moss takes plays off and is benched/fined (?) for a game because he was late then he needs to get this worked out for the team rather than his ego.

2KBack
01-04-2010, 01:49 PM
Yeah he was a tough son of gun allright. But the year Rod was the only receiver we had he played through multiple ankle/leg injuries which turned out to be stress fractures and hip cartiledge injuries that required surgery.

He was never the same WR after that.

When it comes to injuries and what not, the last people I would trust regarding a players welfare are doctors/physios on the team's pay roll.

As a point of contention, Rod had 3 1000 yard seasons and made the pro-bowl after that season.

ant1999e
01-04-2010, 02:23 PM
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/1/3/1232552/report-tom-brady-has-broken-ribs

Jan 3, 2010 - CBS’ "NFL Today" reported earlier today that Patriots (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/NEP) quarterback Tom Brady (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1653/Tom_Brady) has been playing with three broken ribs. It was initially thought that the injury occurred in the Patriots' Week 13 loss to Miami. However, Shalise Manza-Young of the Providence Journal is reporting that Brady broke the ribs in a preseason game against Washington (http://www.projo.com/patriots/content/sp_fbn_patriots_talkingpoints04_01-04-10_3CH0_v3.31cd6bf.html) and re-aggravated the injury against the Jets (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/NYJ).
Most likely, the aggravation came from the devastating hit by Redskins (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/WAS) defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2855/Albert_Haynesworth), which many thought injured Brady's shoulder.
To make matters even worse for the Pats, Brady has been playing with a broken index finger on his throwing hand (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/03/brady-has-broken-finger-too/) as well. Injured about a month ago, it's reportedly bothering Tom more than the ribs.
Brady did not speak with the media on Sunday after the Patriots' loss to the (http://www.sbnation.com/2010/1/3/1232269/texans-patriots-score-recap-2010-nfl-playoffs)Texans (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/HOU)[/URL]. And no word on whether or not Brady's playing time will be affected. Given that he's made it this far with the injuries, don't expect him to lay down now that the playoffs are starting.
[URL="http://www.patspulpit.com/"]Pats Pulpit (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/HOU) will have updates as they develop.

cutthemdown
01-04-2010, 02:35 PM
People could say well the team could be making it up, but look at Marshals history. So many incidents that IMO he has lost credibility. When he dropped that one ball against philly I was like man that looked almost like the tape of that practice where he did it.

So he has shown he will dog it. That is proven from the practice tape. IMO he shut it down after getting what his agent said he needed for big money. Get him off the team. That's if any team even offers him a deal when they have to give a 1st and 3rd.

Has anyone ever thought teams will just say screw it wait until Broncos have to cut him.

Los Broncos
01-04-2010, 02:39 PM
Cold weather? cant breathe? gimme a break.

HEAV
01-04-2010, 02:52 PM
People could say well the team could be making it up, but look at Marshals history. So many incidents that IMO he has lost credibility. When he dropped that one ball against philly I was like man that looked almost like the tape of that practice where he did it.

So he has shown he will dog it. That is proven from the practice tape. IMO he shut it down after getting what his agent said he needed for big money. Get him off the team. That's if any team even offers him a deal when they have to give a 1st and 3rd.

Has anyone ever thought teams will just say screw it wait until Broncos have to cut him.


Brandon Marshall said he slipped on a McDonalds bag

Marshall says now that he did put his arm through a TV stand, but he did so while wrestling around with his cousin.



I don't trust a word the kid say's...

That said he's got 1st round value and some shmuck (team) will trade for him.

Popps
01-04-2010, 03:08 PM
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/1/3/1232552/report-tom-brady-has-broken-ribs

Jan 3, 2010 - CBS "NFL Today" reported earlier today that Patriots (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/NEP) quarterback Tom Brady (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1653/Tom_Brady) has been playing with three broken ribs. It was initially thought that the injury occurred in the Patriots' Week 13 loss to Miami. However, Shalise Manza-Young of the Providence Journal is reporting that Brady broke the ribs in a preseason game against Washington (http://www.projo.com/patriots/content/sp_fbn_patriots_talkingpoints04_01-04-10_3CH0_v3.31cd6bf.html) and re-aggravated the injury against the Jets (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/NYJ).
Most likely, the aggravation came from the devastating hit by Redskins (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/WAS) defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2855/Albert_Haynesworth), which many thought injured Brady's shoulder.
To make matters even worse for the Pats, Brady has been playing with a broken index finger on his throwing hand (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/03/brady-has-broken-finger-too/) as well. Injured about a month ago, it's reportedly bothering Tom more than the ribs.
Brady did not speak with the media on Sunday after the Patriots' loss to the (http://www.sbnation.com/2010/1/3/1232269/texans-patriots-score-recap-2010-nfl-playoffs)Texans (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/HOU)[/URL]. And no word on whether or not Brady's playing time will be affected. Given that he's made it this far with the injuries, don't expect him to lay down now that the playoffs are starting.
[URL="http://www.patspulpit.com/"]Pats Pulpit (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/HOU) will have updates as they develop.


But... did he have trouble breathing because it was nippy outside?

See... didn't think of that, did you.

Mr.Meanie
01-04-2010, 04:05 PM
Josh has only himself to blame for this mess ... Marshall acted like a spoiled baby all through camp and beyond, but Josh insisted on coddling him, and feeding him, feeding him, feeding him. Fed him so much he set an all-time single game record. And now ... surprise! Brandon's acting like a spoiled baby again. Imagine that.

And oh yeah. All those touches he fed that spoiled baby left good soldiers Eddie Royal and Tony Scheffler understandably peeved.

Nice job, Josh.

Is this post for real?

Inkana7
01-04-2010, 04:47 PM
Is this post for real?

Seriously. Buff..calm down.

Popps
01-04-2010, 04:49 PM
Maybe brandon could wear a scarf at practice to keep his neck warm?

Don't laugh. It might help him avoid "excusing himself" in the future.

watermock
01-04-2010, 05:00 PM
If you beath under exertion in cold air, it can cause bleeding/conjestion.

Just sayin.

We don't need that quitter anyway, right Poops, we'll just find another 2 time all pro like Quinn.

He maybe could used thin neck scarf, but who cares now, right?

Popps
01-04-2010, 05:03 PM
If you beath under exertion in cold air, it can cause bleeding/conjestion.

Just sayin.

We don't need that quitter anyway, right Poops, we'll just find another 2 time all pro like Quinn.

He maybe could used a neck scarf, but who cares now, right?



What about a nice sweater? Maybe wool?

Mittens?

Look Mock, we just can't have Brandon excusing himself when he gets nippy. We've got to keep him comfortable out there.

****, it just hit me...


hot cocoa!!!!

watermock
01-04-2010, 05:04 PM
Poops, your awfully sure of yourelf, enough to stick your neck out for a 5 win season.

watermock
01-04-2010, 05:06 PM
What about a nice sweater? Maybe wool?

Mittens?

Look Mock, we just can't have Brandon excusing himself when he gets nippy. We've got to keep him comfortable out there.

****, it just hit me...


hot cocoa!!!!


you have no clue. There is athetic wear just for that by armorwear.

NYBronco
01-04-2010, 05:09 PM
Gaffney filled in very well while Marshall was out nursing the hammy.

I hope Marshall is the MVP of the Pro Bowl. This will definately help McD and Denver get good value out of him. Fans have short memories of a players problems and many coaches, teams and organizations fortunately do as well.

I see another Bronco trade value lottery when Marshall is traded.

Dagmar
01-04-2010, 05:18 PM
Is this post for real?

Buff has gradually become more retarded as last year wore on. He spent the year on here hating on everything the coach has done. He's a boring mong.

Bronx33
01-04-2010, 06:03 PM
In steps gaffney...

Popps
01-04-2010, 06:07 PM
you have no clue. There is athetic wear just for that by armorwear.

Right, but Brandy still left practice because he had the chills.

Sorry, he "excused himself" from practice.

I'm just saying that if his "armorwear" wasn't keeping him cozy.... what's wrong with a nice hot chocolate machine at practice for him? Maybe a latte barista on-site?

rastaman
01-05-2010, 03:36 AM
Well...Marshall wouldnt have to worry about cold air in a dome.


:Broncos:

He wouldn't have to play for a dictator who has problems getting along with players eithers.

rastaman
01-05-2010, 03:49 AM
Right, but Brandy still left practice because he had the chills.

Sorry, he "excused himself" from practice.

I'm just saying that if his "armorwear" wasn't keeping him cozy.... what's wrong with a nice hot chocolate machine at practice for him? Maybe a latte barista on-site?

Perhaps Brandon should have read books on how to survive in a Gulag! or how do you survive working for a dictatorial prison warden parading around as a NFL HC.

Brandon was foolish for trusting McRattlesnake. Oh well.....lessons learned for both sides.

Don't worry Pops time will tell whether Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, and soon to be Hillis are a bunch spoiled malcontent who are NFL slugs or McD is an competent Prima Donna.

It all comes down to you can either play in the NFL if your in the right system or you can actually coach in the NFL b/c the players trust you and you can come up with a system that suits the talents of the players you drafted.

We Live in Interesting Times.....let the off season begin!

rastaman
01-05-2010, 03:52 AM
Gaffney filled in very well while Marshall was out nursing the hammy.

I hope Marshall is the MVP of the Pro Bowl. This will definately help McD and Denver get good value out of him. Fans have short memories of a players problems and many coaches, teams and organizations fortunately do as well.

I see another Bronco trade value lottery when Marshall is traded.

Yes Gaffney is a "Fill-In" player....nothing more and nothing less. Gaffney won't and can't stand up to the pressures and rigors of being a consistent WR in the NFL. He's a McD YES man brought in from NE. When you're purging your players you need YES men to make it appear someone is buyin into your BS.

Northman
01-05-2010, 04:14 AM
Yes Gaffney is a "Fill-In" player....nothing more and nothing less. Gaffney won't and can't stand up to the pressures and rigors of being a consistent WR in the NFL. He's a McD YES man brought in from NE. When you're purging your players you need YES men to make it appear someone is buyin into your BS.

We know Gaffney can play in the cold without "excusing" himself. :rofl:

Bob's your Information Minister
01-05-2010, 05:06 AM
Marshall is just a douchebag.

Not worth the headache. I don't think I'd take him in KC to be honest.

Hulamau
01-05-2010, 05:15 AM
In the interest of fairness....keep in mind that this is the team's story. There are always two sides to everything. Just because side X said that oh this player did this or said that doesn't mean its true....and the same is true for whatever Marshall and Scheffler assert as what happened as well.

Thats true SoCal, so we are left mostly with circumstantial evidence, the impression of the coach and staff and the approval according to Kyle Orton and Daniel Graham, of coaches decision by a lot of the players including most, if not all, of the team leaders ... DJ Williams among them.

These are the same guys the work and deal with Marshall day in and day out up close and who have a pretty damn good idea how injured everyone is, or isn't ... and the same guys who desperately wanted most of all to win that game .. not alienate and bench their start stud WR team mate just for the hell of it!

You combine that with the admittedly suspicious timing of the questionable 'hamstring pull'. Coming just after hitting his 100 catch milestone, setting his TD record and getting the Pro Bowl berth.

In other words settling his major personal goals for the year and insuring his resume for the next contract .... and at the only time in the entire week when the press and cameras were conveniently rolling for a few minutes to capture the 'event' in action!

A slow speed jog and not a fast cut at all with a grab of his hamstring that showed no sign of injury on MRI or through Greeks and the training staffs inspection either. As such, the weight of credibility is shifting away from Marshall and toward Josh and the how other players view of this incident.

When on top of it all, you then go back and factor in the punting insubordination in the summer. The hold out, the many off field incidents prior to all that and his babying an injury his second training camp where Shanny practically had to drag him onto the practice field ... and one can easily start to imagine that in addition to all the welcomed progress Marshall has made, and inspite of his obvious stellar talent and play this year, he may still well be capable of such selfish, immature and misguided decisions/actions.

Remember Cutler saying about Marshall when he was angry after Marshall's infamous McDonald's bag slip through the TV .... "I love him like a brother but with Brandon"its always something"!

In fact, the tide of evidence so far, though not conclusive at this point, certainly is far more supportive of this being one of those "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ... its likely a duck" categories.

Anyway, I like Marshall as a player and even if he is a screw up at times, as long as he comes around, man's up and wants to play hard for the team I would welcome him back.

But Josh also did what he had to do... as Elway said, not so much just as a message to Marshall, but thinking of the other 52 guys in the room desperately trying to win one last game and to establish a new mentality here where its all for the team unless you are really truly too injured to man up.

That being said. I also think Josh would have been better advised to have kept it more behind closed doors at least for a couple days until after the game. Thats one lesson he was alluding too in his long post season presser about learning's to keep things even more in house.

Nevertheless, don't be surprised if Marshall gets a contract with us and is back as a happy camper in March. I think that is the most likely scenario unless we get a blockbuster offer for him as a restricted FA in an uncapped year.

BroncoBuff
01-05-2010, 05:44 AM
Is this post for real?

Damn straight ... Josh basically rewarded Marshall's pre-season childishness by focusing the passing game almost exclusively on him. In 15 games Marshall has more catches than any TWO other Broncos receivers combined, and even an all-time NFL record for single-game receptions. Is that the way Josh should have rewarded Marshall's behavior? No. Josh trusted Marshall, and Marshall screwed him.

Now he's left with all the other guys, whose roles have been diminished, and who probably all want out, especially Eddie Royal, formerly a budding star who now just gets 17 fewer catches than Jabar Gaffney - whose record indicates he is at best a 3rd WR.

Dagmar
01-05-2010, 05:50 AM
Excellent post Hulumau

BroncoBuff
01-05-2010, 06:27 AM
Josh trusted him, and got the shaft in return.

TailgateNut
01-05-2010, 07:51 AM
He wouldn't have to play for a dictator who has problems getting along with players eithers.

Should the "dictator" tuck these PROS in at night and read them a ****ing bed-time story?

****ing idiot!

Coaching positions aren't popularity contests.

Bob's your Information Minister
01-05-2010, 07:54 AM
Marshall's next home:

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/Raiders%20logo.gif

DenverBrit
01-05-2010, 08:15 AM
Josh trusted him, and got the shaft in return.

Somehow I doubt Josh was fooled into thinking BM could change his spots that quickly.

They managed to paper over the cracks so that both mostly got what they wanted.