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broncosteven
01-03-2010, 05:20 PM
Don't we have to have at least one "I am proud of the way this team lost the game" threads to complete the Epic Failure that was this season?

SureShot
01-03-2010, 05:20 PM
This is how you build a winner.

TheDave
01-03-2010, 05:21 PM
FWIW... at least they aren't bumping old threads anymore.

SureShot
01-03-2010, 05:23 PM
FWIW... at least they aren't bumping old threads anymore.

I dont miss the "come get your crow" threads either.

Popps
01-03-2010, 05:24 PM
Steven, you're so whiney. Honestly, you must be insufferable in real life.


Anyhoo... I have been very proud of this team for most of this season. Today? Not so much.

I'm glad you got to make a thread about it, though. Hopefully this loss fulfills your need to whine and bitch for the whole off-season.

It is what it is. We finished .500. Some highs, some lows... but certainly a disappointing finish.

Time will tell. As I've said, this is either the process of flushing out an old attitude... or just another late season decline.

Beyond that, what gripes like yourself seem to miss is that we just need more talent. We're not as talented as a lot of teams in this league. Why is that so hard to grasp?

Do people think we're just entitled to win because of what we did in the 90s?

We need more players.

TheDave
01-03-2010, 05:26 PM
I dont miss the "come get your crow" threads either.

I've got to admit, at 6-0 I was trying to figure out how I could have missed everything so badly.

Hmmm... Maybe I should bump my crow thread :spit:

scttgrd
01-03-2010, 05:27 PM
Steven, you're so whiney. Honestly, you must be insufferable in real life.


Anyhoo... I have been very proud of this team for most of this season. Today? Not so much.

I'm glad you got to make a thread about it, though. Hopefully this loss fulfills your need to whine and b**** for the whole off-season.

It is what it is. We finished .500. Some highs, some lows... but certainly a disappointing finish.

Time will tell. As I've said, this is either the process of flushing out an old attitude... or just another late season decline.

Beyond that, what gripes like yourself seem to miss is that we just need more talent. We're not as talented as a lot of teams in this league. Why is that so hard to grasp?

Do people think we're just entitled to win because of what we did in the 90s?

We need more players.

So much for the messiah as head coach. So exactly what has he improved? Can we get a single thing the offensive genius fixed this season?

DBroncos4life
01-03-2010, 05:29 PM
I thought we played very well against the Eagles. Showed lots of heart and I for the first time in awhile was impressed with the fight in the team. Instead of building on that we go into a must win game with mid week drama and then a gigantic let down on epic level's to finish the year 8-8 and another flat out pathetic loss to end the season at home.

Popps
01-03-2010, 05:29 PM
So much for the messiah as head coach. So exactly what has he improved? Can we get a single thing the offensive genius fixed this season?

It's a work in progress. Defense and STs were better almost the entire season.

The offense definitely needs personnel upgrades, starting on the line.

I'm not sure why people are so giddy about a loss like this?

SureShot
01-03-2010, 05:30 PM
I've got to admit, at 6-0 I was trying to figure out how I could have missed everything so badly.

Hmmm... Maybe I should bump my crow thread :spit:

Do it

bpc
01-03-2010, 05:30 PM
Sadly, this team is going to wish it could compete for the playoffs as much as the 2000's bronco teams did.

Bottom line, this fanbase is fat and spoiled and won't really appreciate what they had until they've been through insufferable circumstances like the Lions... or Browns.

Unfortunately, that's the way the franchise is leaning. This team has holes across the roster and the duct tape we used this offseason, and the building blocks we sacrificed aren't coming back.

I hope i'm wrong. Doubt I am.

You win with difference makers. We've managed to drive off two of our best players on offense... 3 if you count Scheffler from a production standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ryan Clady on the block either.

The defense was supposed to be our strenght but boy, did the wheels fall of today against the dominant KC running game. Most of the vets on this defense have a remaining shelflife of two years... three, at the most. Matter of factly, some of those vets will probably be with the franchise longer than McDaniels will.

strafen
01-03-2010, 05:32 PM
All we wanted was a team made of second string players on the field.
Who wanted to see Marshall, Scheffler, Royal, Hillis on the field getting significant playing time.
all we wanted was to see expansion type players like Gaffney to catch a lot of balls but ZERO TD's.
As reality has it, the only player that caught a TD pass in this game was Brandon Stokley. A member of the second best offense in the NFL in 2008.
The rest of Mcdaniels' scrubs didn't do sh*t!

All year long he stuck with an overrated RB that as the season went on, his numbers got worse. Yeah, I'd give you his 4td's he's scored by virtue of someone else taking the ball to the goal line in the last 8 games.
947 yards for the season, and 3.8 ypg, and ZERO 100-yard games

Then we all saw how a 3rd round pick from KC came in and shredded our defense.

We have a coach that thought system will trump talent.
He learned how wrong he was, didn't he?

This team did good enough to go 6-0 on the strength of a system both defensively and offensevely. At the end of the day, you still got no talent to speak of, because you blew it in the draft.

frerottenextelway
01-03-2010, 05:34 PM
Ha ha. Sadly, this team is going to wish it could compete for the playoffs as much as the 2000's bronco teams did.

Bottom line, this fanbase is fat and spoiled and won't really appreciate what they had until they've been through insufferable circumstances like the Lions... or Browns.

Unfortunately, that's the way the franchise is leaning. This team has holes across the roster and the duct tape we used this offseason, and the building blocks we sacrificed aren't coming back.

I hope i'm wrong. Doubt I am.

You win with difference makers. We've managed to drive off two of our best players on offense... 3 if you count Scheffler from a production standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ryan Clady on the block either.

The defense was supposed to be our strenght but boy, did the wheels fall of today against the dominant KC running game. Most of the vets on this defense have a remaining shelflife of two years... three, at the most. Matter of factly, some of those vets will probably be with the franchise longer than McDaniels will.

Yeah, I get that funny feeling that Clady playing here next year is not a sure thing. Don't know why...

strafen
01-03-2010, 05:35 PM
FWIW... at least they aren't bumping old threads anymore.today's popps' threads are tomorrow's epic fail threads that we can bump and laugh our asses off once again! ROFL!

scttgrd
01-03-2010, 05:36 PM
It's a work in progress. Defense and STs were better almost the entire season.

The offense definitely needs personnel upgrades, starting on the line.

I'm not sure why people are so giddy about a loss like this?

So he fixed the red zone scoring? How about the third down percentage? I focus on these things becasuse those are the things McDaniels pointed out when he was hired as things he was going to fix. How did that work out poops?

colonelbeef
01-03-2010, 05:37 PM
This is how you build a winner.

lmao

Shanahan didn't know anything about winning.

The true pain is going to come in the form or watching Shanahan walk into DC or Chicago and get back to the playoffs immediately

extralife
01-03-2010, 05:37 PM
so here's our coach:

Zero offensive game plan deviation the entire season, no in game adjustments at all.

An ego that causes him to constantly pick fights with, blame, or outright cut players that aren't affiliated with him.

An insistence on being the GM that gave us a giant heap of trash of a draft class, and one that we largely traded up to obtain.

A 2-8 finish, including home losses to the Raiders and Chiefs.

An abandonment of the most successful run blocking scheme in the history of the NFL for something that immediately turned our rushing attack into a far below average one.

Consistently conservative and predictable play calling, that, when it failed time and time again, was consistently blamed on the players (either directly, or with the ubiqutous "we didn't execute the [perfect] game plan the way we wanted to."

Free agent moves that 100% mirrored the later day Shanahan approach, including an emphasis on the secondary and on older, cheaper replacement parts--the very same approach that was universally cited as one of the primary reasons for Shanahan's departure.

An offense--his specialty--that was down in every single relevant statistical category over the one he inherited.

Pluses include an improved defense that largely seemed to be the result of a defensive coordinator that McDaniels may or may not have hired, and that nevertheless imploded down the stretch. Also a nice fist pump.

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WE CAN BUILD ON THIS!!!!!

COMPETING EVERY DAY (except most sundays)!!!!

go_broncos
01-03-2010, 05:38 PM
Mcd didn't fix anything..By the end of the season, we are similar or even worse than last year's team.

DBroncos4life
01-03-2010, 05:43 PM
I so sick of going into the off-season having people to toss away as the scape goat on why we had such a let down. We have cut and fired so many people the change over is just becoming predictable. Most of us think we will have yet another OC this off-season then there will be Marshall. It has the makings for yet another heart warming, bring fans together off-season.

broncosteven
01-03-2010, 05:43 PM
It's a work in progress. Defense and STs were better almost the entire season.

The offense definitely needs personnel upgrades, starting on the line.

I'm not sure why people are so giddy about a loss like this?

Maybe the D and ST were better until the 2-8 run.

Who's giddy? I am pissed.

2 - 4 game losing streaks in one season. Someone needs to be accountable.

Once they fix the lines who are the Playmakers going to be?

KFC now has a 3 headed monster, Charles, Cassell, Chambers/Bowe we got kNOgain and Gaffney and "player to be named later" at QB.

Popps
01-03-2010, 05:46 PM
We're all sick of this. This is what we've gone through for a decade, aside from one season.

It's still way to soon to make definitive judgments about this staff.

Broncomutt
01-03-2010, 05:47 PM
Josh is proud

UberBroncoMan
01-03-2010, 05:47 PM
The Seahawks are laughing right now.

Anyhow... I'm glad to be done with the Broncos and the time it consumes until FA starts nearing.

extralife
01-03-2010, 05:47 PM
building a team

just want to see improvement every week

generic platitude 3

jhat01
01-03-2010, 05:51 PM
Maybe the D and ST were better until the 2-8 run.

Who's giddy? I am pissed.

2 - 4 game losing streaks in one season. Someone needs to be accountable.

Once they fix the lines who are the Playmakers going to be?

KFC now has a 3 headed monster, Charles, Cassell, Chambers/Bowe we got kNOgain and Gaffney and "player to be named later" at QB.

You must be pissed because now after one game Cassell and Chambers/Bowe became part of a "three headed monster" Charles is a gamer for sure...Bowe catches as well as Graham does.

bombay
01-03-2010, 05:56 PM
Man. It would be nice if a lot of these losers found a different team to cry about.

TheReverend
01-03-2010, 06:00 PM
Toughness lacking. Clearly, not enough sprints.

elsid13
01-03-2010, 06:01 PM
Toughness lacking. Clearly, not enough sprints.

Sounds like this team needs more two a days, wearing two set of pads.

SureShot
01-03-2010, 06:03 PM
Toughness lacking. Clearly, not enough sprints.

I think all players should spend the off season in pads golf handicaps be damned!

This team needs to get tough......like TheDave.

TheReverend
01-03-2010, 06:03 PM
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Jason in LA
01-03-2010, 07:11 PM
Well this season certainly did suck ass. I was thinking that it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, because I thought they'd win six games, but when they are 6-0, and then go 2-8 the rest of the way, getting blown out like four times, losing to their division rivals who suck ass, at home, and getting blown out by a two win team, at home, I don't see how this season was better than I thought it would be. At 6-0 I was loving how wrong I was. It had never felt so great to be wrong. But as it turns out, I wasn't wrong. This team wasn't any good. I hate that I wasn't wrong. This sucks. This team is no better than last year's team. I'd say they are pretty much the same. But last year I had hope that they could fix things. Just fix the defense. This offseason, they have a lot more work to do. I don't think this team is even close.

broncosteven
01-03-2010, 07:17 PM
Well this season certainly did suck ass. I was thinking that it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, because I thought they'd win six games, but when they are 6-0, and then go 2-8 the rest of the way, getting blown out like four times, losing to their division rivals who suck ass, at home, and getting blown out by a two win team, at home, I don't see how this season was better than I thought it would be. At 6-0 I was loving how wrong I was. It had never felt so great to be wrong. But as it turns out, I wasn't wrong. This team wasn't any good. I hate that I wasn't wrong. This sucks. This team is no better than last year's team. I'd say they are pretty much the same. But last year I had hope that they could fix things. Just fix the defense. This offseason, they have a lot more work to do. I don't think this team is even close.

Dropping the Buffalo game last year was tough but we did lose our 7th RB in that game.

We don't have injuries to blame this year, just coaches decisions.

jhat01
01-03-2010, 07:18 PM
Dropping the Buffalo game last year was tough but we did lose our 7th RB in that game.

We don't have injuries to blame this year, just coaches decisions.

Riiiight, just coaches decisions....

TheDave
01-03-2010, 07:26 PM
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii237/cbc82/GIF_saftey_guy_suicide.gif

I was looking for that... Sums up my feelings perfectly.

lostknight
01-03-2010, 08:03 PM
I am proud of this team. The coach on the other hand, and the front office? Pretty much ruined my football season by having to justify them over and over while other fans for other teams made just mockery of their stupidity.

orinjkrush
01-03-2010, 08:21 PM
Denver seems to have become a laughingstock throughout the league. you can almost hear it on every channel outside Kallarada.

broncosteven
01-03-2010, 08:23 PM
Denver seems to have become a laughingstock throughout the league. you can almost hear it on every channel outside Kallarada.

Today reminded me of the Simpsons episode where Homer wins a Football team but he is upset because it was the 1989 Broncos.

strafen
01-03-2010, 08:24 PM
Turmoil and chaos to start the McDaniels era right off the bat and finished in the same way with no even a play-off berth to lessen the damage...

SoCalBronco
01-03-2010, 08:25 PM
Today reminded me of the Simpsons episode where Homer wins a Football team but he is upset because it was the 1989 Broncos.

I think I remember that episode. He sneaks it in for a touchdown and then the scoreboard shows SF 55 DEN 6.

SureShot
01-03-2010, 08:28 PM
Today reminded me of the Simpsons episode where Homer wins a Football team but he is upset because it was the 1989 Broncos.

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extralife
01-03-2010, 08:30 PM
I think I remember that episode. He sneaks it in for a touchdown and then the scoreboard shows SF 55 DEN 6.

You are both actually talking about different Simpsons episodes that bash on the Broncos. Which is pretty hilarious in and of itself.

SureShot
01-03-2010, 08:30 PM
I think I remember that episode. He sneaks it in for a touchdown and then the scoreboard shows SF 55 DEN 6.

Its in the video I posted. Funny stuff.

Bronco LB52
01-03-2010, 08:31 PM
I did not agree with the direction the team went in 2009, but I have realized that complaining about the past isn't going to solve anything or make me feel better.

I just hope McDaniels can get lucky with the Draft and find some football players.

Lolad
01-03-2010, 08:41 PM
Riiiight, just coaches decisions....

from now on this is the new phrase of the O-Mane

Coaches Decision

uplink
01-03-2010, 11:40 PM
I couldn't find a stream to see all of it but from what I saw looks like the receivers and Orton played a heck of a game (except for the 2 pick 6s were I guess Orton stared down the receiver)
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Bronco LB52
01-03-2010, 11:52 PM
This fine organization has only six losing seasons in the last 37 years. There's no reason to be ashamed of this team. Hold your head up high and wear your Broncos gear tomorrow to show your pride.

lostknight
01-04-2010, 12:03 AM
This fine organization has only six losing seasons in the last 37 years. There's no reason to be ashamed of this team. Hold your head up high and wear your Broncos gear tomorrow to show your pride.

No, not really. Orton was staring down receivers like Cutler in his rookie year.

Popps
01-04-2010, 12:06 AM
This fine organization has only six losing seasons in the last 37 years. There's no reason to be ashamed of this team. Hold your head up high and wear your Broncos gear tomorrow to show your pride.

Already wore it out to dinner tonight.


I look forward to watching this team improve, as brutally painful as much of this season was. Like most, I just got suckered into too high of hopes.

We have work to do.

ZONA
01-04-2010, 12:12 AM
I seriously want to believe this team is moving in the right direction. How fast we are going about it though is sketchy. I like to adopt the rule that things are not as great as they seem nor are they as bad as they seem. Some of our early wins we got some breaks, some of our losses near the end we didn't have such good luck.

In the end, it was massive change over to begin the season and a brutal schedule to boot. I hate how we finished up but a 33 year old rookie HC going 8-8 with such a brutal schedule isn't the worst thing I could have imagined.

Year 2 of the rebuild usually tells you more about the direction you are going. Year 1 is usually the baseline. You know where you are, where are you going from there.

BroncoBuff
01-04-2010, 01:14 AM
Steven, you're so whiney. Honestly, you must be insufferable in real life.

What an outrageous post .... In the first place, I've had a good bit of contact with Steven off the board, and he's one of the nicest, smartest, most talented, friendly guys here. In the second place, when it comes to whiney, you're a bigger angry, whiney, insulting than any two posters here combined. I have little doubt you are borderline friendless in "real life."

So there.



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Popps
01-04-2010, 01:19 AM
In the end, it was massive change over to begin the season and a brutal schedule to boot. I hate how we finished up but a 33 year old rookie HC going 8-8 with such a brutal schedule isn't the worst thing I could have imagined.

Year 2 of the rebuild usually tells you more about the direction you are going. Year 1 is usually the baseline. You know where you are, where are you going from there.

Agree, Zona.

Posted some stats on another thread from Shanahan's first season. Rome wasn't built in a day.

I actually see improvement in this team, and I think we're attempting to do the right things. (Not all worked, much many did.)

You're absolutely right. At the end of next season, if we haven't made progress... then you start to really question what we're doing.

But, it took Shanahan 3 seasons to really get the personnel in place, and honestly... to do that from a .500 team is quick. It's tough to be patient, but unfortunately, that's what a rebuilding process requires.

BroncoBuff
01-04-2010, 01:28 AM
I seriously want to believe this team is moving in the right direction. How fast we are going about it though is sketchy. I like to adopt the rule that things are not as great as they seem nor are they as bad as they seem. Some of our early wins we got some breaks, some of our losses near the end we didn't have such good luck.

In the end, it was massive change over to begin the season and a brutal schedule to boot. I hate how we finished up but a 33 year old rookie HC going 8-8 with such a brutal schedule isn't the worst thing I could have imagined.

Year 2 of the rebuild usually tells you more about the direction you are going. Year 1 is usually the baseline. You know where you are, where are you going from there.

I agree with much of this, and I don't mind being somewhat patient. But you have to be concerned about Josh breaking down the roster, and (if true) wanting to off all the Shanahan guys. A year ago we had the best young offense in the league ... pretty soon it'll be just Clady left.

Tearing down this offense is scary, I hope he knows what he's doing.

broncosteven
01-04-2010, 11:13 AM
...

But, it took Shanahan 3 seasons to really get the personnel in place, and honestly... to do that from a .500 team is quick. It's tough to be patient, but unfortunately, that's what a rebuilding process requires.

Shanny went 8-8 in his 1st year, no long winning streaks and no long losing streaks, twice.

Shanny then went 13-3 in his 2nd year. If they ran the ball more vs Jags early in the game Means becomes a non-factor and the game is different. I don't think that they win the SB in 96 with that talent but they should have made it to the AFC title game or even lost the SB that year.

If Josh finds a way to win 13 games next year with HIS guys then great.

I don't mind him staying here and getting HIS guys, I just think it is going to take 3-5 years to hit on HIS guys everywhere he wants them and another 2-3 years to win with them. It is my OPINION that it will take a LONG time for Josh to be successful here and I don't mean 8-8 successful I mean SB winner successful.

Yet again I will say that if this team showed any thing to build upon going into next year I would feel good about this season. But there hasn't been anything other than what Nolan did with the D in the 1st 6 games to hang a hat on.

I just hope this offseason isn't as brutal as how last years was or the end of this season was.

55CrushEm
01-04-2010, 11:18 AM
Yeah, I get that funny feeling that Clady playing here next year is not a sure thing. Don't know why...

Why would anyone think Clady won't be here next year.....he's just made the probowl, and is only 2 years into a 5 year deal.

Silly.

55CrushEm
01-04-2010, 11:25 AM
I agree with much of this, and I don't mind being somewhat patient. But you have to be concerned about Josh breaking down the roster, and (if true) wanting to off all the Shanahan guys. A year ago we had the best young offense in the league ... pretty soon it'll be just Clady left.

Tearing down this offense is scary, I hope he knows what he's doing.

Give it up already, man. We did NOT. We had a lot of yards.....just keep choosing to ignore the average scoring and horrible redzone turnovers.

We've already endlessly been over this with broncofraud7.

Popps
01-04-2010, 11:34 AM
Shanny went 8-8 in his 1st year, no long winning streaks and no long losing streaks, twice..

And, the point?

He still finished the season by losing 2 out of 3, including a loss to the Raiders.


Shanny then went 13-3 in his 2nd year. .

And didn't win a playoff game.

It wasn't until they made further upgrades that we did.


If Josh finds a way to win 13 games next year with HIS guys then great.
.

His guys? How about just the right guys. Why do you feel the need to attach some sort of personal issue to this? He and Nolan need the proper personnel... just like Shanahan did.

It is my OPINION that it will take a LONG time for Josh to be successful here and I don't mean 8-8 successful I mean SB winner successful..

Well, Josh didn't have the luxury of inheriting a hall of fame QB, so you could be right... it might take more than one off-season to create a SB champ... as shocking as that may be to some.


Yet again I will say that if this team showed any thing to build upon going into next year I would feel good about this season. .

As evidenced by the stats in my other thread, the overall O and D stats improved very little in Shanahan's first year. There were ups and downs, just like this year.


You people are acting as if McDaniels inherited some sort of NFL masterpiece. We were DOG****. Our D was the worst in the ****ing league, we couldn't run the ball and our QB threw nearly as many INTs as TDs. We were lucky to be .500, which is just a tribute to Shanahn's game-day coaching ability.


Again, coaches aren't usually replaced because they've built up such an awesome roster full of talent. It's usually the other way around.

This is going to take time and talent to fix.

jhns
01-04-2010, 11:40 AM
Give it up already, man. We did NOT. We had a lot of yards.....just keep choosing to ignore the average scoring and horrible redzone turnovers.

We've already endlessly been over this with broncofraud7.

This has been proven incorrect many times. You are just as bad as Popps. Close your eyes, put your hands over your ears, and screem as loud as you can. That is all this "McDaniels is above the Broncos" crowd does anymore.

55CrushEm
01-04-2010, 11:43 AM
This has been proven incorrect many times. You are just as bad as Popps. Close your eyes, put your hands over your ears, and screem as loud as you can. That is all this "McDaniels is above the Broncos" crowd does anymore.

Explain to me how the FACT that we were 2nd in yards, but only 16th or 17th in scoring been proven incorrect? Meh, forget it......

Popps
01-04-2010, 11:52 AM
Explain to me how the FACT that we were 2nd in yards, but only 16th or 17th in scoring been proven incorrect? Meh, forget it......

Points scored and turnovers will be the top two measures of offensive importance if you ask any coach in the NFL.

We were slightly lower in points, and much better at taking care of the ball.

The "massive decline" theory has been put to rest.

jhns
01-04-2010, 12:02 PM
Explain to me how the FACT that we were 2nd in yards, but only 16th or 17th in scoring been proven incorrect? Meh, forget it......

Well, mostly the fact that you are using a team scoring stat. We were tenth in offensive scoring and that is with the 32nd ranked starting field position. That also overlooks the fact that if we had one fewer turnover on defense we would have set a record for fewest ever. Then there is the whole, everyone was a rookie-third year player that makes it the young offense with a few things that need work. If you don't know how field position and defensive turnovers mess with scoring, well that's understandable. I didn't exactly think you were smart to begin with.

55CrushEm
01-04-2010, 12:07 PM
I didn't exactly think you were smart to begin with.

Well, that's fine. I can rest well knowing that I could run intellectual circles around you....not that I care, though.

Bottom line is....there are 2 camps.....the McD hater's camp, and the wait-and-see camp.....we know which you're a part of.

broncosteven
01-04-2010, 12:12 PM
...

As evidenced by the stats in my other thread, the overall O and D stats improved very little in Shanahan's first year. There were ups and downs, just like this year.


You people are acting as if McDaniels inherited some sort of NFL masterpiece. We were DOG****. Our D was the worst in the ****ing league, we couldn't run the ball and our QB threw nearly as many INTs as TDs. We were lucky to be .500, which is just a tribute to Shanahn's game-day coaching ability.


Again, coaches aren't usually replaced because they've built up such an awesome roster full of talent. It's usually the other way around.

This is going to take time and talent to fix.

The D was terrible last year but we were better at running the ball with 8 different backs than were were at running the ball this year.

Every team can say they need more talent to get better, that is not rocket science but as I said before it is what one does with the talent they have that seperates the future HS coaches from SB winners.

McDaniels didn't do any better with an avg to above avg (until the last game of the year) D than Shanny did last year. If anything going 2-8 is worse.

Please don't bring up "Brutal schedule" in the 2nd half again. We have to play KFC, Oakland and SD twice EVERY year. only 3 of the 8 teams in the 2nd half of our schedule went to the playoffs whereas 4 of the 1st 8 are going to the playoffs. 2nd half was no more brutal than the 1st half when they managed to go 6 - 0 so get over that.

If McD goes 13-3 or even 10 - 6 next year, Hell I will give you 9-7 even as long as they don't go 2 for last 6, then we are in the right direction.

It would just have been real nice if the young 1st time HC would have kept the dirty laundry in house and not made the franchise a laughing stock yet again.

That and won a mother****ing game at home vs the 4-12 KFC chefs, who's fans have something to look forward to next season.

Popps
01-04-2010, 12:17 PM
The D was terrible last year but we were better at running the ball with 8 different backs than were were at running the ball this year.


We were also running a well-established system with the personnel a coach had a decade to put in place, rather than a first year system with a mish-mosh of guys and an incomplete roster turnover.

Yet, about the same results.


It would just have been real nice if the young 1st time HC would have kept the dirty laundry in house and not made the franchise a laughing stock yet again..

No doubt yesterday was painful.

I don't care about "laughing stock." I just care about this team getting better. I'm not concerned with who likes us. McDaniels made an appeal to his team-leaders who came to him and asked for something. That's more important to me than what some hack writer or goof on a message board thinks.

TonyR
01-04-2010, 12:17 PM
...and (if true) wanting to off all the Shanahan guys.

Why would that be true? He wants to get players that want to play here and that fit what he wants to do. Certainly some of the guys who go will be Shanahan players. This whole conspiracy theory thing is loopy, as are the people who buy into it. Silly.

jhns
01-04-2010, 12:19 PM
Well, that's fine. I can rest well knowing that I could run intellectual circles around you....not that I care, though.

Bottom line is....there are 2 camps.....the McD hater's camp, and the wait-and-see camp.....we know which you're a part of.

LOL... You couldn't run circles around a hole in the ground...

There are a lot more than two ways of thinking. Smart people know this. Dumb people group everyone together because it makes it easier for them.

That is fine though. At least I am not in your group that thinks McDaniels is above the team.

vancejohnson82
01-04-2010, 12:21 PM
LOL... You couldn't run circles around a hole in the ground...

There are a lot more than two ways of thinking. Smart people know this. Dumb people group everyone together because it makes it easier for them.

That is fine though. At least I am not in your group that thinks McDaniels is above the team.

But Cutler was and Marshall and Scheffler are....hypocritical argument right there

GoBroncos DownUnder
01-04-2010, 12:25 PM
That is fine though. At least I am not in your group that thinks McDaniels is above the team.
I don't think you're in ANY group son.
It's a sad and lonely place where you live ... no tailgating, ... no friends, ... just your own opinions bouncing off of barren walls ... over, and over ... :thumbsup:

jhat01
01-04-2010, 12:29 PM
But Cutler was and Marshall and Scheffler are....hypocritical argument right there

Indeed. Strange how he makes that work for him eh?

jhns
01-04-2010, 12:31 PM
But Cutler was and Marshall and Scheffler are....hypocritical argument right there

Now find a single time I have said anything close to this....

It is better to just stay quiet if you have nothing. Making up random fake arguments is getting old.

colonelbeef
01-04-2010, 12:35 PM
Why would anyone think Cutler won't be here next year.....he's just made the probowl, and is only 2 years into a 5 year deal.

Silly.

fixed it for you

jhns
01-04-2010, 12:36 PM
I don't think you're in ANY group son.
It's a sad and lonely place where you live ... no tailgating, ... no friends, ... just your own opinions bouncing off of barren walls ... over, and over ... :thumbsup:

You are right, I'm not in a group with anyone here. See, the problem is you nerds actually have to use this place and tailgating to make friends. I have had my friends for a long time and meet them everywhere. I am not the socially retarded nerd that most here are. Why do you think they band together and get so upset when their group thinking is questioned? It is because none of you know how to deal with people.

Cito Pelon
01-04-2010, 12:38 PM
Don't we have to have at least one "I am proud of the way this team lost the game" threads to complete the Epic Failure that was this season?

Well, I'm gonna stay positive. Not a good year, obviously. But with a new staff I'll give them another year before I get all depressed.

Ambiguous
01-04-2010, 12:52 PM
Why would anyone think Clady won't be here next year.....he's just made the probowl, and is only 2 years into a 5 year deal.

Silly.

Dude can barely catch a pass, and sucks at running routes.

jhat01
01-04-2010, 12:59 PM
You are right, I'm not in a group with anyone here. See, the problem is you nerds actually have to use this place and tailgating to make friends. I have had my friends for a long time and meet them everywhere. I am not the socially retarded nerd that most here are. Why do you think they band together and get so upset when their group thinking is questioned? It is because none of you know how to deal with people.

hahaha and you say McDaniels has an ego!!!!

GoBroncos DownUnder
01-04-2010, 01:06 PM
Dumb people group everyone together because it makes it easier for them.

You are right, I'm not in a group with anyone here. See, the problem is you nerds actually have to use this place and tailgating to make friends.

Oxymoron.ROFL!

55CrushEm
01-04-2010, 01:33 PM
LOL... You couldn't run circles around a hole in the ground...

There are a lot more than two ways of thinking. Smart people know this. Dumb people group everyone together because it makes it easier for them.

That is fine though. At least I am not in your group that thinks McDaniels is above the team.

Whatever, hotshot. I don't really feel the need to compare dick sizes with you anyway.

First, when did I ever say McD was above the team? Read and comprehend....I said I'm in the "wait and see" or "give him more than one year" camp.

Fact is, you're a hater....whether it be individualistic or part of the larger group on the board...makes no difference to me.....just pointing it out. My repeated contention is just give the guy more than a year.....which you and many others seem so reluctant to do. THAT point alone is why you and said others get the criticism, and get labeled as the hypocrites you are.

55CrushEm
01-04-2010, 01:34 PM
Dude can barely catch a pass, and sucks at running routes.

:rofl: This is true.

Popcorn Sutton
01-04-2010, 01:41 PM
I agree with much of this, and I don't mind being somewhat patient. But you have to be concerned about Josh breaking down the roster, and (if true) wanting to off all the Shanahan guys. A year ago we had the best young offense in the league ... pretty soon it'll be just Clady left.

Tearing down this offense is scary, I hope he knows what he's doing.

If they had different attitudes both Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler would be in the long term plans. Scheffler unfortunately doesn't fit this offense... not sure why but the scheme doesn't really utilize oft-injured but overall very good pass catching tight ends.

Besides these players the offensive roster is fairly in tact. Are you upset because Ben Hamilton is on the out? What is it? Are you just a drama queen? ;D

jhns
01-04-2010, 01:54 PM
Fact is, you're a hater....whether it be individualistic or part of the larger group on the board...makes no difference to me.....just pointing it out. My repeated contention is just give the guy more than a year.....which you and many others seem so reluctant to do. THAT point alone is why you and said others get the criticism, and get labeled as the hypocrites you are.

I haven't said he needs fired. That is you being dumb again. You don't know what a hypocrite is. You may want to stop typing it let's everyone know you aren't all there.

Again, any critisism of McDaniels or Orton is met with intense male PMS. I call it like I see it. McDaniels doesn't know how to deal with players, period. Orton is not good enough, period. Our offense regressed, period. The defense is a lot better even after this years collapse, period. There is no reading between the lines of my posts. If I say it, that is what I am saying. No more, no less. For every sentence I type, people here seem to come away with a book. It is interesting being told what I have said or what I meant.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-04-2010, 01:55 PM
Where are all of the "I won't be pleased with this team no matter what they accomplish as long as McDaniels is involved in the organization because I loved Jay and I loved Mike and McD is no Mike and Orton is no Jay and also I like penis" threads?

Oh wait. They're all over the board. My bad.

Carry on.

oubronco
01-04-2010, 01:59 PM
Where are all of the "I won't be pleased with this team no matter what they accomplish as long as McDaniels is involved in the organization because I loved Jay and I loved Mike and McD is no Mike and Orton is no Jay and also I like penis" threads?

Oh wait. They're all over the board. My bad.

Carry on.

:spit: :spit: :spit:

Miss I.
01-04-2010, 02:07 PM
Where are all of the "I won't be pleased with this team no matter what they accomplish as long as McDaniels is involved in the organization because I loved Jay and I loved Mike and McD is no Mike and Orton is no Jay and also I like penis" threads?

Oh wait. They're all over the board. My bad.

Carry on.

Hey! I like Penis, but I don't think that's relevant to this thread...oh oops, I actually hit submit reply...damnit. ;D

55CrushEm
01-04-2010, 02:11 PM
I haven't said he needs fired. That is you being dumb again. You don't know what a hypocrite is. You may want to stop typing it let's everyone know you aren't all there.

Again, any critisism of McDaniels or Orton is met with intense male PMS. I call it like I see it. McDaniels doesn't know how to deal with players, period. Orton is not good enough, period. Our offense regressed, period. The defense is a lot better even after this years collapse, period. There is no reading between the lines of my posts. If I say it, that is what I am saying. No more, no less. For every sentence I type, people here seem to come away with a book. It is interesting being told what I have said or what I meant.

Well, I haven't read all of your post, and really don't care to.....but you ARE a hater...that much is evident from what I HAVE read. And since you want to blame McD for all our "failures" and "regressions" this year....but would be unwilling to blame Shanny for years of mediocrity....then you are a hypocrite. Perhaps you don't know the meaning of the word.....but I sure do. If the shoe fits, wear it.

It makes no sense why anyone wouldn't be more willing to give McD a "pass" on 2009. New coach, new systems, tough schedule.....you name it.

Since you've now resorted to name calling, let me close by saying you're a classless douchebag f***, and your posts are old, tired, and generally suck. Now go be a Redskins fan......

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-04-2010, 02:13 PM
Hey! I like Penis, but I don't think that's relevant to this thread...oh oops, I actually hit submit reply...damnit. ;D

Hilarious!

We know, we KNOW!

jhns
01-04-2010, 02:23 PM
Well, I haven't read all of your post, and really don't care to.....but you ARE a hater...that much is evident from what I HAVE read. And since you want to blame McD for all our "failures" and "regressions" this year....but would be unwilling to blame Shanny for years of mediocrity....then you are a hypocrite. Perhaps you don't know the meaning of the word.....but I sure do. If the shoe fits, wear it.

It makes no sense why anyone wouldn't be more willing to give McD a "pass" on 2009. New coach, new systems, tough schedule.....you name it.

Since you've now resorted to name calling, let me close by saying you're a classless douchebag ****, and your posts are old, tired, and generally suck. Now go be a Redskins fan......

Did I give Shanny a pass? Have you seen a single post of mine that is in favor of Shanahan? I love the man but it was time for him to move on. Is it because I say the offense has regressed? Did you somehow get that I think we only need an offense with no defense out of that?

Again, dumb people have to group everyone together to make it easier. I do not share the same views as everyone that questions McDaniels. You even said you don't know my views but you will just generalize. You are not a very smart person.

Miss I.
01-04-2010, 02:28 PM
Hilarious!

We know, we KNOW!

sorry just injecting a little humor. I am bad and need to be punished...

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55CrushEm
01-04-2010, 02:38 PM
Did I give Shanny a pass? Have you seen a single post of mine that is in favor of Shanahan? I love the man but it was time for him to move on. Is it because I say the offense has regressed? Did you somehow get that I think we only need an offense with no defense out of that?

Again, dumb people have to group everyone together to make it easier. I do not share the same views as everyone that questions McDaniels. You even said you don't know my views but you will just generalize. You are not a very smart person.

Actually, I am an exceptionally smart person, but I certainly don't feel the need to get into details with another run of the mill internet tough guy. As I said, keep being miserable about the Broncos and their future.....but it would make more sense to be a fan of another team.

You continually will get lumped into the hater "group" b/c that's all you do. If you look (and it's not hard for the average person, but may be for you) there are MANY positives to take from the season. You simply chose not to do that....that makes you a close-minded hater of McD with a pointless agenda, or it make you stupid....my guess is both.

Respond in kind again, if you wish....but I will not continue this childish rabble with you any longer. I'm ashamed that I lowered myself to engage with you in the first place. Instead, I should have ignored you from the start....which I'm sure many have so wisely chosen to do.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
01-04-2010, 02:42 PM
sorry just injecting a little humor. I am bad and need to be punished...

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Well then saddle up.

And then, the oral sex!

jhns
01-04-2010, 02:51 PM
Actually, I am an exceptionally smart person, but I certainly don't feel the need to get into details with another run of the mill internet tough guy. As I said, keep being miserable about the Broncos and their future.....but it would make more sense to be a fan of another team.

You continually will get lumped into the hater "group" b/c that's all you do. If you look (and it's not hard for the average person, but may be for you) there are MANY positives to take from the season. You simply chose not to do that....that makes you a close-minded hater of McD with a pointless agenda, or it make you stupid....my guess is both.

Respond in kind again, if you wish....but I will not continue this childish rabble with you any longer. I'm ashamed that I lowered myself to engage with you in the first place. Instead, I should have ignored you from the start....which I'm sure many have so wisely chosen to do.

The fact that you just claimed to be an "exceptionally smart person" is the only thing we needed to hear. You aren't all there. The fact that you need to make up a bunch of stuff that I have said to validate everything you are saying is again, dumb. I'm not sure how you don't get that, but it is the truth.

I have lots of positives to take away. I also have negatives. You see, this is the real world and there are both. Only the "McDaniels is above the team" crowd can't see this fact. I do not know why you all get upset about others opinions and thoughts. That really isn't my problem. It is still fun to make fun of. You are in fact the close minded person. It is also pretty funny that you are trying to act like your problems are everyone elses problems. I can see good and bad. You only see good. To the "exceptionally smart person", you are the open minded one. You make me laugh.

Cito Pelon
01-04-2010, 02:55 PM
We were also running a well-established system with the personnel a coach had a decade to put in place, rather than a first year system with a mish-mosh of guys and an incomplete roster turnover.

Yet, about the same results.


No doubt yesterday was painful.

I don't care about "laughing stock." I just care about this team getting better. I'm not concerned with who likes us. McDaniels made an appeal to his team-leaders who came to him and asked for something. That's more important to me than what some hack writer or goof on a message board thinks.

This is an important point.

azbroncfan
01-04-2010, 03:06 PM
Hard to be proud for a team that lost 8 of last 10 games and blew the playoffs at home against two terrible teams.

Cito Pelon
01-04-2010, 03:28 PM
Hard to be proud for a team that lost 8 of last 10 games and blew the playoffs at home against two terrible teams.

No doubt. Got some work to do.

gunns
01-04-2010, 03:30 PM
Love the Broncos with all my heart but I'm definitely not proud of them right now.

elsid13
01-04-2010, 03:42 PM
Hey! I like Penis, but I don't think that's relevant to this thread...oh oops, I actually hit submit reply...damnit. ;D

Something that you have in common with Hotrod. See the date would have worked.