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lostknight
01-03-2010, 11:20 AM
I really can not agree with the article more. Once again, McDaniel's has managed to polarize his team. If he makes the playoffs, he is brilliant. If he doesn't, he is a idiot. It's as simple as that.

By Dave Krieger
The Denver Post
Posted: 01/03/2010 01:00:00 AM MST


On the bright side, players aren't pulling guns on each other in the locker room. The Broncos are clearly less dysfunctional than the Washington Wizards. So they've got that going for them.

On the other hand, they end the season pretty much as they started it, with a young coach who says he's all about team unity and manages to wreak havoc anyway.

For the first time, players are publicly acknowledging a division in the locker room. Tight end Tony Scheffler, deactivated along with receiver Brandon Marshall for today's regular-season finale, said the move "doesn't sit very well with me or some of my teammates."

Meanwhile, first-year coach Josh McDaniels insists that a team without Marshall and Scheffler gives the Broncos their "best opportunity to win" today, an analysis so dubious from a football standpoint that it suggests McDaniels would rather lose with players loyal to him than win with players who are not.

The locker room appears to have broken into two camps the roughly 60 percent of the roster McDaniels brought in and the roughly 40 percent remaining from last season. McDaniels has now feuded publicly with Marshall, Scheffler and former quarterback Jay Cutler, while substantially reducing the roles of Eddie Royal, Brandon Stokley, Peyton Hillis and Ben Hamilton, all holdovers from the Mike Shanahan regime.

Unfortunately for McDaniels, the best players on the team are mostly Shanahan holdovers. Of the six Broncos named Pro Bowl starters, reserves or alternates, five were here when McDaniels arrived. As he makes the case that his acquisitions players such as Jabar Gaffney and Knowshon Moreno give the Broncos their best chance to win, fans who actually watch the games begin to wonder if this is about ability or favoritism.

McDaniels has gone to great lengths, for example, to rationalize Moreno's declining production by blaming an offensive line dominated by Shanahan holdovers, even as other backs exceed Moreno's per-carry averages behind the same line.

The rift with Marshall, the team's most productive offensive player, is of the old-school variety. The coach wants the player to play through a hamstring injury after an MRI showed no major damage. The player, who submitted in a similar situation last season and wound up needing hip surgery, says he can't.

McDaniels chose to escalate this dispute by publicly questioning Marshall's injury. This reflects a rather dramatic double standard on the subject of team unity.

Last summer, Stokley criticized the treatment of long snapper Mike Leach, whom McDaniels cut for no apparent reason other than to bring in his own guy. Scheffler was unhappy with McDaniels' treatment of Cutler. Both players have been on the outs with their coach since, a status reflected in their decreased role in the offense.

In short, under McDaniels, criticism of the coach is destructive of team unity, but criticism of a top player is not.

In response, Marshall suggested McDaniels is seeking scapegoats for his team's collapse since starting the season 6-0. No one in the locker room would have said so publicly had McDaniels not opened the door with his shots at Marshall.

The upside of this divisive strategy for McDaniels is if the Broncos get past the 3-12 Chiefs today, it will be mostly his guys getting it done.

McDaniels' double standard is fairly typical of NFL coaches, but he has made his retribution against those he considers disloyal more visible than most.

It appears now that Marshall played McDaniels during the season. His public hugs of the coach, which so delighted McDaniels, were interpreted by some as a victory for McDaniels' stern discipline in training camp. In retrospect, they look more like Marshall understanding exactly what it took to get back in McDaniels' good graces long enough to put up another 100-catch season, which he did. Now, with the season unraveling, so is the pretense of any loyalty between them.

McDaniels' approach can work if he wins. There have been lots of autocratic NFL coaches, some of them very successful. But in order to win with players loyal to him, McDaniels is going to have to pick better players. Except for 36-year-old safety Brian Dawkins, few of McDaniels' 30-odd additions to the roster have turned heads this year.

He has little choice now but to clear out more of the Shanahan holdovers this offseason in an effort to make the entire locker room "his guys." It seems increasingly clear that it is not so much loyalty to the Broncos that Josh McDaniels requires as it is loyalty to Josh McDaniels.

Dave Krieger: 303-954-5297, dkrieger@denverpost.com or twitter.com/DaveKrieger

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2010, 11:36 AM
McD has fumbled and mishandled countless issues this season. It makes little sense that he continue to hold players to a standard that he cannot himself achieve.

However, the strict approach has worked with Marshall already this season, so I can see why it is being instituted here. McD wants to squelch this type of behavior to send a message about the contract situation.

Bronco Warrior
01-03-2010, 11:39 AM
Accurate article IMO! McDaniels hid the apparent narscisism and egomania evident at the beginning of his "Reign" well enough that many of us bought into the "Boy King" and his coaching style. Dawkins was the only top talent that we brought in and Are you kidding McDaniels had nothing to do with him being here or him being a probowler. Nolan deserves all the credit for the success of the team (Defense was stellar) and Joshie's commitment to the mediocore and the mundane kept us out of easily a 12-4 season. We had the firepower at RB and receiving core to dominate any defense in the league. Only an egocentric fool would fix what wasn't broken!

Dedhed
01-03-2010, 11:41 AM
Krieger=Dolt always has, always will.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-03-2010, 11:42 AM
I dunno, i think everyone in dove valley are a bunch of a-holes at the moment.

Paladin
01-03-2010, 11:43 AM
According to Broncos sources, the problems with Marshall and Scheffler came after team leaders including Brian Dawkins, Champ Bailey, Kyle Orton, DJ Williams and Daniel Graham all met with McDaniels on Monday and encouraged him to take a hardline approach in preparing the team to finish the season against the Chiefs.

More: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4792471

Took this from the other thread.

You think Kreiger knows what the Eff he's talking about? Does this information give you some second thoughts about the scenario? McD losing it? I guess it is safe to call BS on this pitiful article and writer, and you poor, dumb slobs believing it without the facts.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-03-2010, 11:44 AM
Accurate article IMO! McDaniels hid the apparent narscisism and egomania evident at the beginning of his "Reign" well enough that many of us bought into the "Boy King" and his coaching style. Dawkins was the only top talent that we brought in and Are you kidding McDaniels had nothing to do with him being here or him being a probowler. Nolan deserves all the credit for the success of the team (Defense was stellar) and Joshie's commitment to the mediocore and the mundane kept us out of easily a 12-4 season. We had the firepower at RB and receiving core to dominate any defense in the league. Only an egocentric fool would fix what wasn't broken!

Its quite annoying when no one gives McD credit for the defense. He's had a HUGE hand in the defense (just ask Dumervil who has claimed to get a lot of one on one attention from McD) McD hired the staff and was probably deserves the lion share of the credit for the free agents brought in.

Listen, im pissed off at him too right now, i like him, but he's really ****ing up. But enough of this only nolan deserves the credit bull****.

Bronco Warrior
01-03-2010, 11:44 AM
Other idiot moves by McDumbass: Jack MF Williams for Try Flaw! Kern , or Colquitt for Bitchh Berger, Torain for Jordan! Hillis, Royal, Sheffler, Stokely, Zone blocking, bootleg/rollouts, deep Ball under or not utilized! And if Orton couldn't execute those things...then Add Orton for Cutler or Brandstater to the stupidity list!

SonOfLe-loLang
01-03-2010, 11:46 AM
According to Broncos sources, the problems with Marshall and Scheffler came after team leaders including Brian Dawkins, Champ Bailey, Kyle Orton, DJ Williams and Daniel Graham all met with McDaniels on Monday and encouraged him to take a hardline approach in preparing the team to finish the season against the Chiefs.

More: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4792471

Took this from the other thread.

You think Kreiger knows what the Eff he's talking about? Does this information give you some second thoughts about the scenario? McD losing it? I guess it is safe to call BS on this pitiful article and writer, and you poor, dumb slobs believing it without the facts.

While I understand this, this is still pro sports. Youre going to have egos. Its your job to manage them and win football games. If you think you're gonna have 53 good guys, youre joking yourself...and if you actually can find 53, good luck winning with them. You need talent to win in this league

SonOfLe-loLang
01-03-2010, 11:47 AM
Other idiot moves by McDumbass: Jack MF Williams for Try Flaw! Kern , or Colquitt for b****h Berger, Torain for Jordan! Hillis, Royal, Sheffler, Stokely, Zone blocking, bootleg/rollouts, deep Ball under or not utilized! And if Orton couldn't execute those things...then Add Orton for Cutler or Brandstater to the stupidity list!

Yeah because Williams and Torain are ripping up the NFL right now. And Jay Cutler's team is doing reaaaaallll well. Youre a ****ing moron.

Dedhed
01-03-2010, 11:47 AM
Other idiot moves by McDumbass: Jack MF Williams for Try Flaw! Kern , or Colquitt for b****h Berger, Torain for Jordan! Hillis, Royal, Sheffler, Stokely, Zone blocking, bootleg/rollouts, deep Ball under or not utilized! And if Orton couldn't execute those things...then Add Orton for Cutler or Brandstater to the stupidity list!

And yet he already has as many wins as the Mastermind did while using all those guys. Brilliant take!

Bronco Warrior
01-03-2010, 11:54 AM
Its quite annoying when no one gives McD credit for the defense. He's had a HUGE hand in the defense (just ask Dumervil who has claimed to get a lot of one on one attention from McD) McD hired the staff and was probably deserves the lion share of the credit for the free agents brought in.

Listen, im pissed off at him too right now, i like him, but he's really ****ing up. But enough of this only nolan deserves the credit bull****.

Nolan was resposnsible for LBs here in Denver during the glory years and then was running THIS Defense when McDaniels was still in college. Tell me again how McDumbass was so instrumental in the defense? And for the record, our only non waste of a FA on the offense was Buckhalter. Every other one Fileds, goodeman,Dawkins, Hill, etc came to play for a dominant, Genius old school Defensive gangster named Mike Noln... not McDumbnuts! Which won us more games Nolan's ballers busting ax on defense of McD's pathetic predictable offense? Hopw do you take the 2nd best offense in the league and the best recieving core in the game, and the Rookie of the year in moreno and a bruiser like Hillis and shyt such a big load in your pants offensively? How many games were lost by Orton and McConservative calling the plays!?
Respectfully McDaniels' inept playcalling and his Dictitorial approach has cost us the division and most likelt the playoffs! Cowher is available lol!

WolfpackGuy
01-03-2010, 11:56 AM
I think the headline should've been:

"...Me vs. You rift"

Bronco Warrior
01-03-2010, 11:56 AM
And yet he already has as many wins as the Mastermind did while using all those guys. Brilliant take!

And with a ten times better defense! Give us this defense and the '08 offense last year and we have another ring! Try again!

Taco John
01-03-2010, 11:57 AM
McD has fumbled and mishandled countless issues this season. It makes little sense that he continue to hold players to a standard that he cannot himself achieve.

However, the strict approach has worked with Marshall already this season, so I can see why it is being instituted here. McD wants to squelch this type of behavior to send a message about the contract situation.



He could have done that without creating the HUGE pre-game media distraction.

That said - I don't think the players will be all that distracted. Unless, of course, there really is a 60-40 rift in the locker room. The way McDaniels has handled Shanahan players, I would not be too suprised if that 60-40 figure was true.

It's very easy to get frustrated with Josh, but I want to give him the benefit of a doubt. A win today would go a long ways towards convincing me that he deserves that benefit of a doubt. A loss today, and he'll have lost 8 of 10 games after going 6-0.

This game will set the tone of our offseason.

Dear God I hope we win.

Bronco Warrior
01-03-2010, 11:57 AM
Anybody else notice that all the controversy is on McDouchiels' offense not Nolan's defense?

Bronco Warrior
01-03-2010, 11:59 AM
He could have done that without creating the HUGE pre-game media distraction.

That said - I don't think the players will be all that distracted. Unless, of course, there really is a 60-40 rift in the locker room. The way McDaniels has handled Shanahan players, I would not be too suprised if that 60-40 figure was true.

It's very easy to get frustrated with Josh, but I want to give him the benefit of a doubt. A win today would go a long ways towards convincing me that he deserves that benefit of a doubt. A loss today, and he'll have lost 8 of 10 games after going 6-0.

This game will set the tone of our offseason.

Dear God I hope we win.

If it wan't the worst team over the last three years on God's earth you might have a point, but if we can't beat the Chefs we don't deserve to be allowed to play next year ;)

jhat01
01-03-2010, 11:59 AM
Other idiot moves by McDumbass: Jack MF Williams for Try Flaw! Kern , or Colquitt for b****h Berger, Torain for Jordan! Hillis, Royal, Sheffler, Stokely, Zone blocking, bootleg/rollouts, deep Ball under or not utilized! And if Orton couldn't execute those things...then Add Orton for Cutler or Brandstater to the stupidity list!

Torain? out of the league
Williams? On IR in Detroit
Royal is injured

Whatever dude....go get another perm

mhgaffney
01-03-2010, 12:00 PM
I can't believe that McD is so stupid as to actually be doing this.

I suppose we will know in time...

WolfpackGuy
01-03-2010, 12:00 PM
Anybody else notice that all the controversy is on McDouchiels' offense not Nolan's defense?

"The Coach" was SOLELY responsible for the defensive additions and improvements.

Or so we're led to believe...

Baba Booey
01-03-2010, 12:39 PM
Even if we win it's going to be another long, dumbass offseason filled with Marshall headlines, etc.