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Denver724
01-03-2010, 08:31 AM
Not allowed on sidelines or locker room. Just reported on ESPN. WOW!

Adam_Schefter (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter)
Ed Werder reported that Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler not allowed on Broncos sideline or in locker room today.

TheDave
01-03-2010, 08:32 AM
If we win, this was a good decision.

If not...

God help this server.

NFLBRONCO
01-03-2010, 08:35 AM
Chris Mortensen reporting it was more of a players decision to bench Marshall today. Players came up to McDaniels and were concerned because of the lack of focus during the week of the Raiders loss and did not want that to happen again, so ultimately it was players who wanted Marshall benched today.
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tsiguy96
01-03-2010, 08:36 AM
that is crazy, some **** might have went down that we arent going to know about for awhile....i hope they dont get rid of marshall hes a beast. i wonder if this is carryover from the cutler situation, which seemed to be fixed but is now spreading again since the team is losing?

Denver724
01-03-2010, 08:36 AM
From Adam's Tweet

Adam_Schefter (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter)
Werder also reported that, if the Broncos make the playoffs, there are no assurances that Marshall or Scheffler will play.

TonyR
01-03-2010, 08:36 AM
If we win, this was a good decision.


Why do people keep saying this? Marshall wasn't going to play anyway. I'm not sure how his not being on the sideline is really going to change the outcome of a football game. Enough of the faux drama, you're like a bunch of women.

TonyR
01-03-2010, 08:37 AM
Chris Mortensen reporting it was more of a players decision to bench Marshall today. Players came up to McDaniels and were concerned because of the lack of focus during the week of the Raiders loss and did not want that to happen again, so ultimately it was players who wanted Marshall benched today.
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This won't sit well with the drama queens. It doesn't fit their agenda.

uplink
01-03-2010, 08:38 AM
i guess they were being negative and got banned. I assume Josina will be reporting on BMarshs whereabouts.
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lostknight
01-03-2010, 08:39 AM
Chris Mortensen reporting it was more of a players decision to bench Marshall today. Players came up to McDaniels and were concerned because of the lack of focus during the week of the Raiders loss and did not want that to happen again, so ultimately it was players who wanted Marshall benched today.
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I would like a reference on that please. It sounds exactly like the other CYA stuff the Broncos leaked to Mortensen all year.

orinjkrush
01-03-2010, 08:39 AM
i've never seen this in pro football before. simply astounding.

seems to be a fight for the soul of the team.

colonelbeef
01-03-2010, 08:40 AM
Why do people keep saying this? Marshall wasn't going to play anyway. I'm not sure how his not being on the sideline is really going to change the outcome of a football game. Enough of the faux drama, you're like a bunch of women.

That is what I don't understand. Where does the original problem come from? Is McDaniels just questioning Marshall->this blowup? I was away and missed the genesis of this garbage

TonyR
01-03-2010, 08:40 AM
It sounds exactly like the other CYA stuff the Broncos leaked to Mortensen all year.

So all the negative press is 100% legit, but something like this is made up?

TonyR
01-03-2010, 08:41 AM
i've never seen this in pro football before. simply astounding.


Then you haven't followed the career of Terrel Owens very closely. He created considerably more drama than this he second year in Phila, and lots of drama in SF and Dallas as well.

lostknight
01-03-2010, 08:44 AM
The Broncos have had a habit of always leaking their side before players get a word in. Once again, this is a shakey decision by McDaniels. It's one thing to bench a player because you are not happy with what they say about your scheme (Sheffler), but it's another thing to keep them off the sideline deliberately.

go_broncos
01-03-2010, 08:45 AM
Mcd sucks man..Bowlen did a mistake in hiring the coach..
Our coach is an idiot that doesn't know how to coach NFL player's.

He will be given another year and will be fired.

TheDave
01-03-2010, 08:45 AM
Why do people keep saying this? Marshall wasn't going to play anyway. I'm not sure how his not being on the sideline is really going to change the outcome of a football game. Enough of the faux drama, you're like a bunch of women.

You're the only creating the "Faux drama"

This isn't about brandons so called injury. The caoch is making a statement during a must win game. If the team rallies and we win it was the right thing to do.

If not..well... like I said god help the server.

TonyR
01-03-2010, 08:47 AM
Once again, this is a shakey decision by McDaniels. It's one thing to bench a player because you are not happy with what they say about your scheme (Sheffler), but it's another thing to keep them off the sideline deliberately.

I can't make this determination without knowing what the players did and/or said. On top of that, if this is something the team wanted then that provides even more support for the move. Can't have cancers in the huddle or on the sideline.

tsiguy96
01-03-2010, 08:48 AM
I can't make this determination without knowing what the players did and/or said. On top of that, if this is something the team wanted then that provides even more support for the move. Can't have cancers in the huddle or on the sideline.

thats waht it all comes down to, at the end of the day we dont know anything about what happened.

broncofan7
01-03-2010, 08:49 AM
Why do people keep saying this? Marshall wasn't going to play anyway. I'm not sure how his not being on the sideline is really going to change the outcome of a football game. Enough of the faux drama, you're like a bunch of women.

I heard him speak about his injury last year--and how no one should question his toughness--but i did not hear that he was not going to play on Sunday regardless...link?

go_broncos
01-03-2010, 08:49 AM
Chris Mortensen reporting it was more of a players decision to bench Marshall today. Players came up to McDaniels and were concerned because of the lack of focus during the week of the Raiders loss and did not want that to happen again, so ultimately it was players who wanted Marshall benched today.
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It's not lack of focus..we lost to raiders because of our playcalling.

Chris
01-03-2010, 08:50 AM
Notice this has happened with the young players on the team that think they're special talents that deserve special treatment.

Have we had problems with anyone else this year that wasn't part of the original brat pack? No.

tsiguy96
01-03-2010, 08:50 AM
It's not lack of focus..we lost to raiders because of our playcalling.

you moron, how did the offensive playcalling let 2 raider backup QBs engineer a game winning drive?

TheDave
01-03-2010, 08:51 AM
It's not lack of focus..we lost to raiders because of our playcalling.

Well, that and the raiders ability to rack up 250 yards on the ground...

MplsBronco
01-03-2010, 08:51 AM
The Broncos have had a habit of always leaking their side before players get a word in. Once again, this is a shakey decision by McDaniels. It's one thing to bench a player because you are not happy with what they say about your scheme (Sheffler), but it's another thing to keep them off the sideline deliberately.

Get your facts straight! Marshall benched himself first.

uplink
01-03-2010, 08:51 AM
Chris Mortensen reporting it was more of a players decision to bench Marshall today. Players came up to McDaniels and were concerned because of the lack of focus during the week of the Raiders loss and did not want that to happen again, so ultimately it was players who wanted Marshall benched today.
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wonder who the players were? Gaffney, Paxton, L.K. Smith, Hochstein, Jordan?

TD30
01-03-2010, 08:52 AM
Mcd sucks man..Bowlen did a mistake in hiring the coach..
Our coach is an idiot that doesn't know how to coach NFL player's.

He will be given another year and will be fired.

Agreed

WolfpackGuy
01-03-2010, 08:52 AM
you moron, how did the offensive playcalling let 2 raider backup QBs engineer a game winning drive?

Left tackle pass to Clady ring a bell?

I won't bother to go into the mind numbing runs into the middle of the line.

lostknight
01-03-2010, 08:55 AM
Get your facts straight! Marshall benched himself first.

Get your story straight. That doesn't jive with any of the stories this morning, all of which basically state:
1) Marshall complained about a hamstring.
2) Marshall got called out in a meeting as not performing last week.
3) Marshall was late for a rehab.
4) Broncos benched him.

Period.

tsiguy96
01-03-2010, 08:58 AM
Left tackle pass to Clady ring a bell?

I won't bother to go into the mind numbing runs into the middle of the line.

how does that cost the broncos the game if the offense had it won, the defense couldnt finish it?

Denver724
01-03-2010, 08:59 AM
Get your story straight. That doesn't jive with any of the stories this morning, all of which basically state:
1) Marshall complained about a hamstring.
2) Marshall got called out in a meeting as not performing last week.
3) Marshall was late for a rehab.
4) Broncos benched him.

Period.

Good riddance. I just hope this does not impact his trade value. I think we will get a 1 and 3. I just wonder how he will perform after he gets a raise (and not from the Broncos).

MplsBronco
01-03-2010, 08:59 AM
BRANDON MARSHALL - 1/1/10

On Head Coach Josh McDaniels' decision to deactivate him for Sunday's game against Kansas City
"I don't think (Head) Coach (Josh McDaniels) ever played in the NFL so for my hamstring to be feeling the way it felt, it's tough for me to go out there and expect to play at a high level. I've battled through a lot of injuries before. I played the whole year last year with a tear in my hip, so I don't think my toughness is in question here. I've just got to do my best just to get back to 100 percent. Hopefully, things fall into place where it should be, and hope we get into the playoffs, and I'll be there with my teammates."

On why McDaniels did not go into specifics when explaining his deactivation
"I don't understand why he didn't answer it. It's because of my hamstring. I got an MRI on it. The MRI came back that there was no structural damage in there. When you try to explode and take off, if you don't have it, you don't have it. It's bad because it's a crucial game for us, but we've got guys who can make plays. We've got guys who have been in this league for years who play this position who can get it done and carry our team."

On McDaniels' emphasis on accountability being a reason that he will be inactive on Sunday
"I don't know what coach said, but I doubt if he said I wasn't buying in because I'm the guy who has been giving up a lot for this team. I've been giving it my all. I'm excited about the opportunity that we have. There are a lot of things that can be in our favor this week to make it to the playoffs. If that happens, I'm going to do my best to be out there with my teammates, but it makes no sense for me to go out there. You can't run 50 percent. (It's) just bad timing."


Marshall has quit on this team. Again. He's a me-first primadonna and some of you continue to side with these type of asshole players who are losers! No wonder we haven't done anything significant if the Cutlers and Marshalls are the "leaders" of this team.

Denver724
01-03-2010, 09:01 AM
From PFT

Marshall was late for therapy before benching

Posted by Josh Alper on January 3, 2010 11:57 AM ET
Ed Werder of ESPN had a lengthy report (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4792471) Sunday morning on the decision to send Brandon Marshall (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3653) and Tony Scheffler (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3705) to the bench for Week 17's Broncos-Chiefs clash in Denver.

According to Werder, Marshall was benched after he was late to therapy for his injured hamstring on Friday. That followed an MRI on Wednesday that showed no structural damage to his hamstring, something that contributed to the team's feeling that he might be exaggerating the extent of his injury.

The decision to bench Marshall and Scheffler, both of whom are banned from the locker room and sideline on Sunday, follows a meeting McDaniels had with several Broncos players on Monday. Werder cites Champ Bailey (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1925), Brian Dawkins (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=709) and Kyle Orton (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3214) as some of the players who urged the coach to stress accountability in the run-up to the game against the Chiefs.

Chris Mortensen, speaking on ESPN's Sunday NFL Countdown, said that this indicates that there isn't much disagreement with McDaniels's decision even though the team is playing a game with playoff implications.

Should the Broncos make it to the postseason, Werder reports that there are no assurances that either Marshall or Scheffler would be back on the active roster.

lostknight
01-03-2010, 09:03 AM
By the way, the press is also reporting that a Broncos coach heard Tony say that he couldn't wait for the season to be over, and hence benched him, banned him, and degraded him in the media.

As far as Mortensen, he has been the CYA valve the Broncos have used all season, from the first moment of the Cutler mess on.

Chris
01-03-2010, 09:04 AM
werder cites champ bailey (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=1925), brian dawkins (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=709) and kyle orton (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=3214) as some of the players who urged the coach to stress accountability in the run-up to the game against the chiefs.

Chris mortensen, speaking on espn's sunday nfl countdown, said that this indicates that there isn't much disagreement with mcdaniels's decision even though the team is playing a game with playoff implications.

Should the broncos make it to the postseason, werder reports that there are no assurances that either marshall or scheffler would be back on the active roster.werder cites champ bailey (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=1925), brian dawkins (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=709) and kyle orton (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nfl&id=3214) as some of the players who urged the coach to stress accountability in the run-up to the game against the chiefs.

boom.

TonyR
01-03-2010, 09:06 AM
...--but i did not hear that he was not going to play on Sunday regardless...link?

Go read any of the article about his referenced in numerous threads. Marshall said he couldn't play. McD made it official.

MplsBronco
01-03-2010, 09:06 AM
Hey Marshall, got his 100 catches and Pro Bowl nod. He doesn't need to prove anything else. Certainly not that he can lead this team to the playoffs. True champions of the game go out there at 50%, if that is where he truly is at, and give 100% until they can't go anymore. It's called "laying it on the line". Get rid of the POS loser. Yet there are people on here asking "why should he play if not 100%". Because that's what he gets paid good money to do, that's why.

MplsBronco
01-03-2010, 09:07 AM
By the way, the press is also reporting that a Broncos coach heard Tony say that he couldn't wait for the season to be over, and hence benched him, banned him, and degraded him in the media.

As far as Mortensen, he has been the CYA valve the Broncos have used all season, from the first moment of the Cutler mess on.

Go find another team.

Denver724
01-03-2010, 09:09 AM
Go read any of the article about his referenced in numerous threads. Marshall said he couldn't play. McD made it official.

Yes, but he missed his rehab and was dogging it during the week leading up to the Raider game. This sends a message to the rest of the team that this will not be tolerated. Marshall is a selfish bastard.

tsiguy96
01-03-2010, 09:10 AM
Hey Marshall, got his 100 catches and Pro Bowl nod. He doesn't need to prove anything else. Certainly not that he can lead this team to the playoffs. True champions of the game go out there at 50%, if that is where he truly is at, and give 100% until they can't go anymore. It's called "laying it on the line". Get rid of the POS loser. Yet there are people on here asking "why should he play if not 100%". Because that's what he gets paid good money to do, that's why.

interesting all this happened after he hit what are probably incentive milestones...

Denver724
01-03-2010, 09:11 AM
From ESPN

Sources: Marshall late for therapy

<!-- end mod-article-title --> <!-- begin story body --> <!-- template inline -->Denver Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den) coach Josh McDaniels decided to bench wide receiver Brandon Marshall (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9705) for the regular-season finale after he was late to a scheduled therapy session with the Denver medical staff for treatment of a hamstring injury the team already believed he was exaggerating, according to multiple team sources.
Both Marshall and tight end Tony Scheffler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9647) have been advised they will not be permitted on the sideline or in the locker room when the Broncos play the Kansas City Chiefs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=kan) on Sunday in a game with playoff implications.

The Broncos sent Marshall for an MRI on his hamstring after he complained of the injury during Wednesday's practice. According to team sources, the test indicated that Marshall's hamstring was healthy.

The latest showdown between the head coach and the Pro Bowl receiver actually began the week before when Marshall excused himself from practice, complaining the cold weather was making it difficult for him to breathe.
Then, as the team reviewed tape of its loss to the Philadelphia Eagles (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=phi), in which Marshall dropped several passes, McDaniels mentioned that certain plays had to be made. Marshall apparently felt he was being unfairly singled out for criticism.

According to Broncos sources, the problems with Marshall and Scheffler came after team leaders including Brian Dawkins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=978), Champ Bailey (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=1758), Kyle Orton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8520), DJ Williams and Daniel Graham (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3549) all met with McDaniels on Monday and encouraged him to take a hardline approach in preparing the team to finish the season against the Chiefs.
That development, combined with a home loss to the Raiders, compelled McDaniels to emphasize the need for accountability in a full team meeting Wednesday. It was later that day when Marshall complained about his hamstring.

Scheffler was presumably demoted to the scout team after he was overheard telling teammates that he couldn't wait for Denver's season to end.

The Broncos do not think it's a coincidence that Marshall became a distraction almost immediately after achieving several personal goals, including having another 100-catch season and making the Pro Bowl. McDaniels has been implementing a team-first mentality similar to that he experienced while part of Bill Belichick's staff with the three-time Super Bowl champion New England Patriots (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nwe).
It's possible Marshall has played his last game with the Broncos, sources close to the situation told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Marshall is scheduled to be a free agent this offseason, and will be a restricted free agent if next season is uncapped, as is expected.
In an uncapped year, the Broncos would be expected to tender Marshall at the highest level possible -- one worth a first- and third-round draft choice. If another team signed Marshall to an offer sheet, Denver would have seven days to match it. If Denver opted not to match the offer -- and the Broncos have shown little inclination of signing him to a long-term deal -- then Marshall would become the other teams' property and Denver would get back first- and third-round draft choices.
Because Marshall would be a free agent, Denver could not trade Marshall without his signing an offer sheet with another team.

Wes Mantooth
01-03-2010, 09:11 AM
Wow. I guess my sit the starter theory is way out the window now. This is nuts.

Soul-Bronco
01-03-2010, 09:15 AM
its funny to see the nfl network crew bashing mcd to deaTH, without acknowledging marshalls TEAMMATES wanted him benched

HILife
01-03-2010, 09:16 AM
If we win, this was a good decision.

If not...

God help this server.

lol

Lev Vyvanse
01-03-2010, 09:16 AM
Scheffler was presumably demoted to the scout team after he was overheard telling teammates that he couldn't wait for Denver's season to end.

Wow.

Chris
01-03-2010, 09:17 AM
You forgot to bold this

The Broncos do not think it's a coincidence that Marshall became a distraction almost immediately after achieving several personal goals, including having another 100-catch season and making the Pro Bowl. McDaniels has been implementing a team-first mentality similar to that he experienced while part of Bill Belichick's staff with the three-time Super Bowl champion New England Patriots (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nwe).

frerottenextelway
01-03-2010, 09:19 AM
Never seen anything like this before that I can remember.

Oh well, if we're going to be the drama team, may as well do that better than others before us.

frerottenextelway
01-03-2010, 09:21 AM
This is beginning to look a lot like how Mangini had problems with players.

Hogan11
01-03-2010, 09:24 AM
Go find another team.

Many will once Marshall and Scheffler are shown the door for good.

TonyR
01-03-2010, 09:24 AM
As the dust settles it's becoming more and more clear who's in the right and who's in the wrong, isn't it?

TonyR
01-03-2010, 09:25 AM
Many will once Marshall and Scheffler are shown the door for good.

Look, I hate to lose these guys too, particularly Marshall. But aren't they kind of showing themselves the door?

WolfpackGuy
01-03-2010, 09:30 AM
Who is Kyle Orton to call anybody out?

Hogan11
01-03-2010, 09:32 AM
Look, I hate to lose these guys too, particularly Marshall. But aren't they kind of showing themselves the door?

Absolutely.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 09:33 AM
All this from Chris Mortensen. Do I believe that Bailey, Dawkins, Graham and Orton asked the coach to bench Marshall and deactivate Scheffler? No.

It will be interesting to hear Marshall's and Scheffler's take on this situation. And if those players did go whine to the coach about Marshall...then let's hear their take as well. Couldn't they have handled it themselves...aren't they captains?

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 09:34 AM
Look, I hate to lose these guys too, particularly Marshall. But aren't they kind of showing themselves the door?So says Mortensen...give me a break!

Everytime I qoute ESPN...I get toasted. Now, they report something you want to hear....and o' boy it's a fact!

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 09:35 AM
Who is Kyle Orton to call anybody out?He's lucky he's playing the Cheifs and won't need Marshall...that's for sure.

NYBronco
01-03-2010, 09:35 AM
Who is Kyle Orton to call anybody out?

He's the Bronco QB that played through a dislocated finger and sprained ankle. He may have played through a hamstring pull as well for all we know.

Hogan11
01-03-2010, 09:36 AM
Couldn't they have handled it themselves...aren't they captains?

Sounds to me as if they did

elsid13
01-03-2010, 09:36 AM
All this from Chris Mortensen. Do I believe that Bailey, Dawkins, Graham and Orton asked the coach to bench Marshall and deactivate Scheffler? No.

It will be interesting to hear Marshall's and Scheffler's take on this situation. And if those players did go whine to the coach about Marshall...then let's hear their take as well. Couldn't they have handled it themselves...aren't they captains?

There appears to be two different stories that appeared be merged by the media. One the team captains that want the coach to emphasis "accountability". The other the Scheffler and Marshall incidents.

TheChamp24
01-03-2010, 09:37 AM
Well, it looks like Marshall is definitely gone in the offseason, and Scheffler as well. Scheffler doesn't really matter, he is vastly overrated by the Bronco fans here.
As for Marshall, it will be tough to replace him. I expect to get a 1st and 3rd from him though, which brings up the question, do we draft Dez Bryant?

elsid13
01-03-2010, 09:40 AM
Sharpe and Cowher just stated that McDaniels screwed up with his comments.

Hogan11
01-03-2010, 09:45 AM
Sharpe and Cowher just stated that McDaniels screwed up with his comments.

Well, that certainly means a whole lot

Wes Mantooth
01-03-2010, 09:46 AM
Well, it looks like Marshall is definitely gone in the offseason, and Scheffler as well. Scheffler doesn't really matter, he is vastly overrated by the Bronco fans here.
As for Marshall, it will be tough to replace him. I expect to get a 1st and 3rd from him though, which brings up the question, do we draft Dez Bryant?

No way we get a 1st and 3rd. He's too much trouble. If we sign him to a RFA, he is going to stay next year.

lod01
01-03-2010, 09:47 AM
Sharpe and Cowher just stated that McDaniels screwed up with his comments.

Everyone with a brain knows Mcdoosh ****ed up yet again. He's an idiot.

TonyR
01-03-2010, 09:47 AM
Sharpe and Cowher just stated that McDaniels screwed up with his comments.

Most of the media reported that he screwed up with every offseason move he made, too. Maybe he didn't handle things "perfectly". But I don't see how asserting control, demanding accountability, and acting in the interest of the team leaders is a mistake.

elsid13
01-03-2010, 09:48 AM
Well, that certainly means a whole lot

They are right, McDaniels should have handled this stuff in house, and not said a word to the media. McDaniels was stupid making any statement beside Marshall would not play on Sunday. Calling a player out due to injury is wrong thing to do.

TonyR
01-03-2010, 09:48 AM
No way we get a 1st and 3rd. He's too much trouble.

We do if that's what we tender him and somebody else wants him. He's probably worth that to somebody.

Pony Boy
01-03-2010, 09:48 AM
That is what I don't understand. Where does the original problem come from? Is McDaniels just questioning Marshall->this blowup? I was away and missed the genesis of this garbage

It might be that there are guys in the locker room getting every thing that hurts taped up and taking injections or whatever is needed to get on the battlefield. They probably don't want BMarsh with his tweaked hammy hanging around worrying if he will be ready to showcase in the pro bowl.....

lod01
01-03-2010, 09:48 AM
Well, that certainly means a whole lot

I'd say eventual HOF inductees Sharpe and Cowher have a little bit more expertise than a hack coach who lived off Brady's skills.

Wes Mantooth
01-03-2010, 09:49 AM
Did de-actives have to go out Friday? Isn't that something that could have been done just before kick-off?

Popps
01-03-2010, 09:50 AM
The Broncos do not think it's a coincidence that Marshall became a distraction almost immediately after achieving several personal goals, including having another 100-catch season and making the Pro Bowl.

Hmmmm.

TonyR
01-03-2010, 09:51 AM
I'd say eventual HOF inductees Sharpe and Cowher have a little bit more expertise than a hack coach who lived off Brady's skills.

Even if they're right this doesn't mean that banishing Marshall and Scheffler was the wrong move. You have to look at the big picture here and realize that you're working with far less than perfect information.

Popps
01-03-2010, 09:51 AM
Sharpe and Cowher just stated that McDaniels screwed up with his comments.

The entire, collective media is against McDaniels on this one.

Makes me feel pretty good, because the last time that happened... McD was doing the right thing, and the media got it wrong.

Hogan11
01-03-2010, 09:52 AM
They are right, McDaniels should have handled this stuff in house, and not said a word to the media. McDaniels was stupid making any statement beside Marshall would not play on Sunday. Calling a player out due to injury is wrong thing to do.

There was no way this wasn't going to the media. McDaniels can't win in this situation. He took the above approach once before in the Cutler situation and got burned, so it appears to me he does a premptive strike this time and, of course, it blows up on him. He was going to mishandle it in the eyes of the media no matter what approach he took.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 09:52 AM
Most of the media reported that he screwed up with every offseason move he made, too. Maybe he didn't handle things "perfectly". But I don't see how asserting control, demanding accountability, and acting in the interest of the team leaders is a mistake.b/c he couldn't shut his pie hole and had to air his dirty laundry in the media. Got that?

This isn't his first time of doing this.

lod01
01-03-2010, 09:54 AM
There was no way this wasn't going to the media. McDaniels can't win in this situation. He took the above approach once before in the Cutler situation and got burned, so it appears to me he does a premptive strike this time and, of course, it blows up on him. He was going to mishandle it no matter what approah he took.

That's what happnes when you are an idiot.

Beantown Bronco
01-03-2010, 09:54 AM
No way we get a 1st and 3rd. He's too much trouble. If we sign him to a RFA, he is going to stay next year.

2 firsts and a third for Cutler.

Hogan11
01-03-2010, 09:54 AM
That's what happnes when you are an idiot.

I should've said: "mishandle it in the eyes of the media"

Denver724
01-03-2010, 09:55 AM
We do if that's what we tender him and somebody else wants him. He's probably worth that to somebody.

Then we keep him and watch him bitch and complain all season. Should be fun.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 09:56 AM
Then we keep him and watch him b**** and complain all season. Should be fun.Did you forget to add...catch 100+ balls and score 10+ TD's? Hmm....lot's of teams would like that.

Gort
01-03-2010, 10:02 AM
i've never seen this in pro football before. simply astounding.

seems to be a fight for the soul of the team.

i don't like this.

but i really don't like that it's going down like this in public.

this stuff needs to be kept in the locker room and away from reporters.

rbackfactory80
01-03-2010, 10:11 AM
Scheffler is one of if not the most overrated bitch of a football player I have ever watched. He sense of entitlement is absurd with the great amount of nothing he has done for this team. I wanted him out last year, this punk needs to go now. Last week on the deep ball interception he watched the ball all the way into the dbacks hands and didn't even make any attempt to break it up. Another Shanahan guy with measurables that far outweigh immeasurables, just like J Cutler.

nickademus
01-03-2010, 10:13 AM
Hey Marshall, got his 100 catches and Pro Bowl nod. He doesn't need to prove anything else. Certainly not that he can lead this team to the playoffs. True champions of the game go out there at 50%, if that is where he truly is at, and give 100% until they can't go anymore. It's called "laying it on the line". Get rid of the POS loser. Yet there are people on here asking "why should he play if not 100%". Because that's what he gets paid good money to do, that's why.

this is exactly what happened I cant wait to have players I can cheer for again! Thank god for B Dawk!!!

Taco John
01-03-2010, 10:16 AM
Wow. I guess my sit the starter theory is way out the window now. This is nuts.

That one was out there man... :)

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 10:18 AM
Krieger: McD fumbles in us vs. them rift

By Dave Krieger
The Denver Post
Posted: 01/03/2010 01:00:00 AM MST


On the bright side, players aren't pulling guns on each other in the locker room. The Broncos are clearly less dysfunctional than the Washington Wizards. So they've got that going for them.

On the other hand, they end the season pretty much as they started it, with a young coach who says he's all about team unity and manages to wreak havoc anyway.

For the first time, players are publicly acknowledging a division in the locker room. Tight end Tony Scheffler, deactivated along with receiver Brandon Marshall for today's regular-season finale, said the move "doesn't sit very well with me or some of my teammates."

Meanwhile, first-year coach Josh McDaniels insists that a team without Marshall and Scheffler gives the Broncos their "best opportunity to win" today, an analysis so dubious from a football standpoint that it suggests McDaniels would rather lose with players loyal to him than win with players who are not.

The locker room appears to have broken into two camps — the roughly 60 percent of the roster McDaniels brought in and the roughly 40 percent remaining from last season. McDaniels has now feuded publicly with Marshall, Scheffler and former quarterback Jay Cutler, while substantially reducing the roles of Eddie Royal, Brandon Stokley, Peyton Hillis and Ben Hamilton, all holdovers from the Mike Shanahan regime.

Unfortunately for McDaniels, the best players on the team are mostly Shanahan holdovers. Of the six Broncos named Pro Bowl starters, reserves or alternates, five were here when McDaniels arrived. As he makes the case that his acquisitions — players such as Jabar Gaffney and Knowshon Moreno — give the Broncos their best chance to win, fans who actually watch the games begin to wonder if this is about ability or favoritism.

McDaniels has gone to great lengths, for example, to rationalize Moreno's declining production by blaming an offensive line dominated by Shanahan holdovers, even as other backs exceed Moreno's per-carry averages behind the same line.

The rift with Marshall, the team's most productive offensive player, is of the old-school variety. The coach wants the player to play through a hamstring injury after an MRI showed no major damage. The player, who submitted in a similar situation last season and wound up needing hip surgery, says he can't.

McDaniels chose to escalate this dispute by publicly questioning Marshall's injury. This reflects a rather dramatic double standard on the subject of team unity.

Last summer, Stokley criticized the treatment of long snapper Mike Leach, whom McDaniels cut for no apparent reason other than to bring in his own guy. Scheffler was unhappy with McDaniels' treatment of Cutler. Both players have been on the outs with their coach since, a status reflected in their decreased role in the offense.

In short, under McDaniels, criticism of the coach is destructive of team unity, but criticism of a top player is not.

In response, Marshall suggested McDaniels is seeking scapegoats for his team's collapse since starting the season 6-0. No one in the locker room would have said so publicly had McDaniels not opened the door with his shots at Marshall.

The upside of this divisive strategy for McDaniels is if the Broncos get past the 3-12 Chiefs today, it will be mostly his guys getting it done.

McDaniels' double standard is fairly typical of NFL coaches, but he has made his retribution against those he considers disloyal more visible than most.

It appears now that Marshall played McDaniels during the season. His public hugs of the coach, which so delighted McDaniels, were interpreted by some as a victory for McDaniels' stern discipline in training camp. In retrospect, they look more like Marshall understanding exactly what it took to get back in McDaniels' good graces long enough to put up another 100-catch season, which he did. Now, with the season unraveling, so is the pretense of any loyalty between them.

McDaniels' approach can work if he wins. There have been lots of autocratic NFL coaches, some of them very successful. But in order to win with players loyal to him, McDaniels is going to have to pick better players. Except for 36-year-old safety Brian Dawkins, few of McDaniels' 30-odd additions to the roster have turned heads this year.

He has little choice now but to clear out more of the Shanahan holdovers this offseason in an effort to make the entire locker room "his guys." It seems increasingly clear that it is not so much loyalty to the Broncos that Josh McDaniels requires as it is loyalty to Josh McDaniels.

Dave Krieger: 303-954-5297, dkrieger@denverpost.com or twitter.com/DaveKrieger



Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_14112757#ixzz0bZgaLu4t

Arkie
01-03-2010, 10:18 AM
Denver should focus their resources on getting the offense to click on all cylinders. We only need Marshall (or the primary receiver) for about a 4-5 receptions per game like during the 6-0 start of the season when Marshall averaged 1 reception per quarter. Let's get back to the winning formula instead of wasting money on a baby TO. Marshall needs to go to a losing team that will never get better and will throw him the ball 20 times a game playing catchup.

Muddled
01-03-2010, 10:20 AM
Mcd sucks man..Bowlen did a mistake in hiring the coach..
Our coach is an idiot that doesn't know how to coach NFL player's.

He will be given another year and will be fired.

Everyone with a brain knows Mcdoosh ****ed up yet again. He's an idiot.

I'd say eventual HOF inductees Sharpe and Cowher have a little bit more expertise than a hack coach who lived off Brady's skills.

That's what happnes when you are an idiot.

What really gets me with the MCD haters, is the solid argumentation, one is just lost for words

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 10:20 AM
This is all about Josh McDaniels and our "NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS"!

ant1999e
01-03-2010, 10:33 AM
All this from Chris Mortensen. Do I believe that Bailey, Dawkins, Graham and Orton asked the coach to bench Marshall and deactivate Scheffler? No.

It will be interesting to hear Marshall's and Scheffler's take on this situation. And if those players did go whine to the coach about Marshall...then let's hear their take as well. Couldn't they have handled it themselves...aren't they captains?

How, by kicking his ass? You are an idiot.

Broncobiv
01-03-2010, 10:34 AM
:nono: This **** is so annoying...why can't coaches just coach and not be arrogant, big-headed pricks? And why can't players just play and not be self-centered, only-in-it-for-the-money d***s? Whichever side is "right" in this situation, and I can't tell at this moment, I just can't ****ing stand it! So frustrating! :notthissh

bpc
01-03-2010, 10:36 AM
i've never seen this in pro football before. simply astounding.

seems to be a fight for the soul of the team.

Are you calling this one of the biggest franchise f' up's you've ever seen in sports?

Me too.

Wes Mantooth
01-03-2010, 10:38 AM
We do if that's what we tender him and somebody else wants him. He's probably worth that to somebody.

Totally get the formula. I just think he is too much trouble for a team to want to pay that price.

bpc
01-03-2010, 10:40 AM
Krieger: McD fumbles in us vs. them rift

By Dave Krieger
The Denver Post
Posted: 01/03/2010 01:00:00 AM MST


On the bright side, players aren't pulling guns on each other in the locker room. The Broncos are clearly less dysfunctional than the Washington Wizards. So they've got that going for them.

On the other hand, they end the season pretty much as they started it, with a young coach who says he's all about team unity and manages to wreak havoc anyway.

For the first time, players are publicly acknowledging a division in the locker room. Tight end Tony Scheffler, deactivated along with receiver Brandon Marshall for today's regular-season finale, said the move "doesn't sit very well with me or some of my teammates."

Meanwhile, first-year coach Josh McDaniels insists that a team without Marshall and Scheffler gives the Broncos their "best opportunity to win" today, an analysis so dubious from a football standpoint that it suggests McDaniels would rather lose with players loyal to him than win with players who are not.

The locker room appears to have broken into two camps — the roughly 60 percent of the roster McDaniels brought in and the roughly 40 percent remaining from last season. McDaniels has now feuded publicly with Marshall, Scheffler and former quarterback Jay Cutler, while substantially reducing the roles of Eddie Royal, Brandon Stokley, Peyton Hillis and Ben Hamilton, all holdovers from the Mike Shanahan regime.

Unfortunately for McDaniels, the best players on the team are mostly Shanahan holdovers. Of the six Broncos named Pro Bowl starters, reserves or alternates, five were here when McDaniels arrived. As he makes the case that his acquisitions — players such as Jabar Gaffney and Knowshon Moreno — give the Broncos their best chance to win, fans who actually watch the games begin to wonder if this is about ability or favoritism.

McDaniels has gone to great lengths, for example, to rationalize Moreno's declining production by blaming an offensive line dominated by Shanahan holdovers, even as other backs exceed Moreno's per-carry averages behind the same line.

The rift with Marshall, the team's most productive offensive player, is of the old-school variety. The coach wants the player to play through a hamstring injury after an MRI showed no major damage. The player, who submitted in a similar situation last season and wound up needing hip surgery, says he can't.

McDaniels chose to escalate this dispute by publicly questioning Marshall's injury. This reflects a rather dramatic double standard on the subject of team unity.

Last summer, Stokley criticized the treatment of long snapper Mike Leach, whom McDaniels cut for no apparent reason other than to bring in his own guy. Scheffler was unhappy with McDaniels' treatment of Cutler. Both players have been on the outs with their coach since, a status reflected in their decreased role in the offense.

In short, under McDaniels, criticism of the coach is destructive of team unity, but criticism of a top player is not.

In response, Marshall suggested McDaniels is seeking scapegoats for his team's collapse since starting the season 6-0. No one in the locker room would have said so publicly had McDaniels not opened the door with his shots at Marshall.

The upside of this divisive strategy for McDaniels is if the Broncos get past the 3-12 Chiefs today, it will be mostly his guys getting it done.McDaniels' double standard is fairly typical of NFL coaches, but he has made his retribution against those he considers disloyal more visible than most.

It appears now that Marshall played McDaniels during the season. His public hugs of the coach, which so delighted McDaniels, were interpreted by some as a victory for McDaniels' stern discipline in training camp. In retrospect, they look more like Marshall understanding exactly what it took to get back in McDaniels' good graces long enough to put up another 100-catch season, which he did. Now, with the season unraveling, so is the pretense of any loyalty between them.

McDaniels' approach can work if he wins. There have been lots of autocratic NFL coaches, some of them very successful. But in order to win with players loyal to him, McDaniels is going to have to pick better players. Except for 36-year-old safety Brian Dawkins, few of McDaniels' 30-odd additions to the roster have turned heads this year.

He has little choice now but to clear out more of the Shanahan holdovers this offseason in an effort to make the entire locker room "his guys." It seems increasingly clear that it is not so much loyalty to the Broncos that Josh McDaniels requires as it is loyalty to Josh McDaniels.

Dave Krieger: 303-954-5297, dkrieger@denverpost.com or twitter.com/DaveKrieger



Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_14112757#ixzz0bZgaLu4t

Simply unbelievable. Denver is the laughing stock of the league right now.

The bolded quote makes me go hmmmmm though. Come on big daddy McD, bring it home with that genius offensive system you've brought to the table.

Wes Mantooth
01-03-2010, 10:40 AM
2 firsts and a third for Cutler.

Cutler was a baby. This guy is something totally different.

400HZ
01-03-2010, 10:43 AM
McDaniels has made some brilliant moves so far as your coach and some really dumb ones. Robbing the Bears was brilliant. The way he's handling the second episode of Marshall/Scheffler drama is dumb. He could have easily deactivated them due to "injury" and then probably gotten nice compensation in an offseason trade. He put that compensation in jeopardy to prove a point in the media. I can see making a statement to the team about how negative attitudes will be handled. Dragging the piss-fest into the media spotlight does not accomplish that any better than quietly deactivating them due to "injury" would have. The players would have figured out what was up.

You aren't going to get a 1st and a 3rd for Marshall. Scheffler is probably worthless.

Doggcow
01-03-2010, 10:45 AM
Cutler was a baby. This guy is something totally different.

A Pre-Teen?

WolfpackGuy
01-03-2010, 10:46 AM
Just trying to pull attention away from the 2-7 (possibly 2-8) flameout to end the season.

Well done, "Coach."

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 10:46 AM
How, by kicking his ass? You are an idiot.**** you...you little b****! If you don't like it **** off!

You don't whine and go cry to the coach if you don't like the way a teammate is behaving. You pull them a side and have a man to man talk.

Isn't that the way it was on your "Cheer" team? p***Y!

bpc
01-03-2010, 10:47 AM
McDaniels has made some brilliant moves so far as your coach and some really dumb ones. Robbing the Bears was brilliant. The way he's handling the second episode of Marshall/Scheffler drama is dumb. He could have easily deactivated them due to "injury" and then probably gotten nice compensation in an offseason trade. He put that compensation in jeopardy to prove a point in the media. I can see making a statement to the team about how negative attitudes will be handled. Dragging the piss-fest into the media spotlight does not accomplish that any better than quietly deactivating them due to "injury" would have. The players would have figured out what was up.

You aren't going to get a 1st and a 3rd for Marshall. Scheffler is probably worthless.

It would be truly ****ty if you are right. I hate to agree though, but I must. McD basically self-sabotaged a lot of the value Brandon has generated over the last season of play.

Any value we could have got for Scheffler is gone.

If i'm a team interested in these guys, I'd let them rot on Denver's roster and become menaces before I gave up any compensation for them.

If McD hates Marshall and Scheff now, and Brandon acted like he did last preseason about it... what's it going to look like THIS preseason? Him trying to punch McD out? A Latrel Spreewell moment.

Huge cluster **** by McD even though the end result is probably justified.

2KBack
01-03-2010, 10:48 AM
Cutler was a baby. This guy is something totally different.

Cutler was a spolied brat, Marshall seems to be growing into a professional sabateur.

Donk
01-03-2010, 10:49 AM
Is McDaniels going off on Marshall an attempt to keep him.
If the donks can make Marshall look bad enough no other team
Will be willing to give up a first and third.
Marshall has proved that he will play for a team he don’t like.

Lev Vyvanse
01-03-2010, 10:49 AM
You don't whine and go cry to the coach if you don't like the way a teammate is behaving. You pull them a side and have a man to man talk.


That would work if they were talking to a man.

bpc
01-03-2010, 10:50 AM
Just trying to pull attention away from the 2-7 (possibly 2-8) flameout to end the season.

Well done, "Coach."

I would hate to agree with this as well but you can argue the points. McD could have totally ruled both of these guys out on the downlow, towing the line led by his veteran players. Instead McDaniels' arrogance is going to do whatever he can to shake himself and his rep from this epic, 2nd half collapse which is why he bolded took it public and leaked the info. Sad but true, and truly just as pitiful as Marshall/Scheffler's late season act.

Taco John
01-03-2010, 10:51 AM
Is McDaniels going off on Marshall an attempt to keep him.
If the donks can make Marshall look bad enough no other team
Will be willing to give up a first and third.
Marshall has proved that he will play for a team he don’t like.



No way. That strategy is doomed from the word go.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 10:52 AM
It would be truly ****ty if you are right. I hate to agree though, but I must. McD basically self-sabotaged a lot of the value Brandon has generated over the last season of play.

Any value we could have got for Scheffler is gone.

If i'm a team interested in these guys, I'd let them rot on Denver's roster and become menaces before I gave up any compensation for them.

If McD hates Marshall and Scheff now, and Brandon acted like he did last preseason about it... what's it going to look like THIS preseason? Him trying to punch McD out? A Latrel Spreewell moment.

Huge cluster **** by McD even though the end result is probably justified.I think the entire NFL is watching this mess and laughing. And, I think most of everyone out there has to believe that this is the product of a rookie headcoach with a big ego who has no clue what he is doing. I don't think this will prevent teams from going after these two guys.

Talent is never ignored in the NFL.

WolfpackGuy
01-03-2010, 10:55 AM
I think the entire NFL is watching this mess and laughing. And, I think most of everyone out there has to believe that this is the product of a rookie headcoach with a big ego who has no clue what he is doing. I don't think this will prevent teams from going after these two guys.

Talent is never ignored in the NFL.

But they're holding people accountable...

Taco John
01-03-2010, 10:56 AM
I think this strategy would work with a 50 year old coach coming into a franchise that is scraping rock bottom. A 32 year old coach with a franchise that just needed to bridge a gap - the entire roster practically needs to be blown up, and the franchise set back for a year or two for it to work.

DenverBrit
01-03-2010, 10:59 AM
I think the entire NFL is watching this mess and laughing. And, I think most of everyone out there has to believe that this is the product of a rookie headcoach with a big ego who has no clue what he is doing. I don't think this will prevent teams from going after these two guys.

Talent is never ignored in the NFL.

Exactly, it won't.

But this isn't really about BM or TS, it's about the rest of the team and keeping them together for next year.

They are the core that you want to build a team a around, not the 'me' first clowns.

strafen
01-03-2010, 11:01 AM
From Adam's Tweet

Adam_Schefter (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter)
Werder also reported that, if the Broncos make the playoffs, there are no assurances that Marshall or Scheffler will play.

What a ****ing of an immature idiot head coach we've got ourselves in Denver
This is absolutely stupid this ego-maniac mother-****er coach is doing to destroy the Denver Broncos as we know it

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 11:01 AM
I think this strategy would work with a 50 year old coach coming into a franchise that is scraping rock bottom. A 32 year old coach with a franchise that just needed to bridge a gap - the entire roster practically needs to be blown up, and the franchise set back for a year or two for it to work.I agree. McDaniels has truly pissed me off...but he needs at least another year to see what he can do. Getting rid of guys like Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler and making Royal obsolete seems to be assinine. We'll see how it turns out.

The biggest thing that I can't stand is the whole...we need to turn this team into the Patriots way. **** the Patriots!

THE DENVER BRONCOS have been to 6 superbowls, won 2 superbowls, and been to a couple more afc championships. They are a team with a winning way. Let's try our best to remember how THE DENVER BRONCOS used to do it. **** the Pats!

bpc
01-03-2010, 11:03 AM
Does it matter if teams are trying to trade for these guys when the compensation is reduced considerably?

What compensation package is Marshall worth? I would have said his production, 2 pro bowls to his name would have easily warranted a couple of 1st rounders. Now, I would say we'll be lucky to get offered a 2nd for him.

We could tender him and if he is signed, we'll receive a 1st and 3rd... i doubt a team will go for that. Rather, they would let him go into Denver during the preseason and f things up... better yet, it could become a situation comparable to Ashley Lelie where he was eventually moved for a fraction of his worth, at that point and time.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 11:03 AM
What a ****ing of an immature idiot head coach we've got ourselves in Denver
This is absolutely stupid this ego-maniac mother-****er coach is doing to destroy the Denver Broncos as we know itThat's "NAPOLEON PATRIOT" for you!

strafen
01-03-2010, 11:05 AM
Scheffler is one of if not the most overrated b**** of a football player I have ever watched. He sense of entitlement is absurd with the great amount of nothing he has done for this team. I wanted him out last year, this punk needs to go now. Last week on the deep ball interception he watched the ball all the way into the dbacks hands and didn't even make any attempt to break it up. Another Shanahan guy with measurables that far outweigh immeasurables, just like J Cutler.

I need to call you your bs out.
You're full of **** if you're trying to tell us that lasy year you wanted Scheffler out.
You full of sh*t. Ok. Don't come over here and lie like that.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 11:06 AM
Exactly, it won't.

But this isn't really about BM or TS, it's about the rest of the team and keeping them together for next year.

They are the core that you want to build a team a around, not the 'me' first clowns.I understand the concept. But take a look at the rest of this team. Who are you building the team around? A 36yr old Dawkins? Champ Bailey? He's probably gone due to his $8m salary. Kyle Orton? 2yds a carry Moreno?

cutthemdown
01-03-2010, 11:06 AM
Anyone who thinks Marshal didn't dog it against the Raiders is kidding themselves. Those drops IMO were on purpose. His numbers this yr good enough to get a great deal, now it's time to get even with Broncos for not paying him earlier.

I don't trust Marshall and hope we get a 1st and 3rd for him in FA.

Kid A
01-03-2010, 11:07 AM
What a ****ing of an immature idiot head coach we've got ourselves in Denver
This is absolutely stupid this ego-maniac mother-****er coach is doing to destroy the Denver Broncos as we know it

if the reports that Champ, Dawkins, Graham, Orton, and Williams played a big part in asking for the hard-line stance are true, do you still feel this way? If the coach AND all the team captains are in agreement, I'm not sure how we as fans can assume it's the coach's "ego" running out of control.

As much as I wanted Marshall to be with this team long term, it's seems that his **** has worn thin with more than just the head coach. If you're going to call out McD for being "an immature idiot," are you willing to say the same of Champ and Dawkins?

rugbythug
01-03-2010, 11:08 AM
To Say McDaniels Free agent Acquisitions have not been stellar is asinine.

Dawkins
Hill
Goodman
Davis
Reid
Buckhalter

Have all played very very well this season. Other Defensive Players have Exceeded anything they did previously.

Our Offense has not done as well as it could have. But many of the problems we saw last season are there this. We have not been winning the line of Scrimmage.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 11:08 AM
Anyone who thinks Marshal didn't dog it against the Raiders is kidding themselves. Those drops IMO were on purpose. His numbers this yr good enough to get a great deal, now it's time to get even with Broncos for not paying him earlier.

I don't trust Marshall and hope we get a 1st and 3rd for him in FA.I don't believe that for a second. Was Orton dogging it as well...falling down every time a dlineman got within 5ft of him.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 11:10 AM
To Say McDaniels Free agent Acquisitions have not been stellar is asinine.

Dawkins
Hill
Goodman
Davis
Reid
Buckhalter

Have all played very very well this season. Other Defensive Players have Exceeded anything they did previously.

Our Offense has not done as well as it could have. But many of the problems we saw last season are there this. We have not been winning the line of Scrimmage.We have not been able to win the line of scrimmage because apposing teams load the box. News flash...nobody is scared of kyle Orton!

rugbythug
01-03-2010, 11:10 AM
I think this strategy would work with a 50 year old coach coming into a franchise that is scraping rock bottom. A 32 year old coach with a franchise that just needed to bridge a gap - the entire roster practically needs to be blown up, and the franchise set back for a year or two for it to work.

Taco you over and over talk about how good the offense was. Yet it wasn't. We got ate up by good d's last year. And sucked hint teat down the stretch.

DenverBrit
01-03-2010, 11:11 AM
I understand the concept. But take a look at the rest of this team. Who are you building the team around? A 36yr old Dawkins? Champ Bailey? He's probably gone due to his $8m salary. Kyle Orton? 2yds a carry Moreno?

I meant 'team' first guys, who those team Captains represent.

They'll be around a couple more years, long enough to instill 'team' first attitudes.

Chances are, if the team Captains didn't go to McD, Marshall would be sitting on the bench nursing his hammy anyway.

MaloCS
01-03-2010, 11:12 AM
get on the battlefield.

Since when is the game of football comparable to storming the beach at Normandy? It's a game, nothing more, nothing less. They aren't soldiers or brothers in arms, they're grown men that play a child's game for a living.

Please stop with the military comparisons.

gyldenlove
01-03-2010, 11:12 AM
Anyone who thinks Marshal didn't dog it against the Raiders is kidding themselves. Those drops IMO were on purpose. His numbers this yr good enough to get a great deal, now it's time to get even with Broncos for not paying him earlier.

I don't trust Marshall and hope we get a 1st and 3rd for him in FA.

Anyone who thinks Orton didn't dog it against the Raiders is kidding themselves. Those poor passes IMO were on purpose. His numbers this yr good enough to get a footlong sandwich, now it's time to get double meat and bacon.

I don't trust Orton and hope we get our sandwich back in FA.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 11:12 AM
if the reports that Champ, Dawkins, Graham, Orton, and Williams played a big part in asking for the hard-line stance are true, do you still feel this way? If the coach AND all the team captains are in agreement, I'm not sure how we as fans can assume it's the coach's "ego" running out of control.

As much as I wanted Marshall to be with this team long term, it's seems that his **** has worn thin with more than just the head coach. If you're going to call out McD for being "an immature idiot," are you willing to say the same of Champ and Dawkins?I don't believe that these guys went to the coach and compained about Marshall. I believe that McDaniels used that discussion to slap Marshall and Scheffler in the face. Whether Dawkins and Champ etc. asked McDaniels to deal with Marsh or Scheff doesn't change the fact that he didn't have to air his dirty laundry in front of the media. That alone, shows eveyone what an idiot he truly is.

cutthemdown
01-03-2010, 11:13 AM
Anyone who thinks Orton didn't dog it against the Raiders is kidding themselves. Those poor passes IMO were on purpose. His numbers this yr good enough to get a footlong sandwich, now it's time to get double meat and bacon.

I don't trust Orton and hope we get our sandwich back in FA.

Listen players on the Broncos feel it seemed funny once Marshall made pro bowl and got 100 catches he shut it down. The MRI showed no damage to the hammy bro. No damage. The other players are pissed and feel he dogged it. Orton it's just he isn't that good.

Get over it Marshall is a piece of ****.

WolfpackGuy
01-03-2010, 11:14 AM
Agreed, the offense needed tweaking, but it didn't need to be gone within two years!

rugbythug
01-03-2010, 11:14 AM
We have not been able to win the line of scrimmage because apposing teams load the box. News flash...nobody is scared of kyle Orton!

Oh OK. So our inability to pick up 3rd and short is because Orton can't throw bombs down the field. Fail

DenverBrit
01-03-2010, 11:15 AM
I don't believe that these guys went to the coach and compained about Marshall. I believe that McDaniels used that discussion to slap Marshall and Scheffler in the face. Whether Dawkins and Champ etc. asked McDaniels to deal with Marsh or Scheff doesn't change the fact that he didn't have to air his dirty laundry in front of the media. That alone, shows eveyone what an idiot he truly is.

Weren't you one of the posters who complained that McD wasn't being publicly forthright during the Cutler fiasco??

Taco John
01-03-2010, 11:15 AM
Taco you over and over talk about how good the offense was. Yet it wasn't. We got ate up by good d's last year. And sucked hint teat down the stretch.

That's what happens when you lose 8 runningbacks in a season. We had a very good offense. One of the best young offenses in the game. It wasn't without its problems. But it was still a very good young offense.

cutthemdown
01-03-2010, 11:17 AM
Marshall was faking the injury. Usually I would side with a player but IMO this was just the last plan of his trying to get money. The holding out didn't work, plan A, the dogging it in practice and purposefully dropping balls didn't work, plan b, plan C was have a good yr then dog it again. Once Marshall got his numbers, got his pro bowl, he dogged it again.

You think players and coaches can't spot these things.

Marshall a possession receiver who is very physical and hard to stop. He isn't however a team player or IMO a good person. I think he lies, I think he justifies it.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 11:17 AM
Oh OK. So our inability to pick up 3rd and short is because Orton can't throw bombs down the field. FailNo our inability to pick up 3rd downs falls directly on the QB. It is his job to move the chains. He has failed miserably in this category. Sorry Orton guzzler.

cutthemdown
01-03-2010, 11:18 AM
Also people Orton has nothing to do with this. He was just a player thrown in a trade who was the best coach felt he could get. Not like Orton marketed himself as some savior who deserves big money.

Pseudofool
01-03-2010, 11:19 AM
No our inability to pick up 3rd downs falls directly on the QB. It is his job to move the chains. He has failed miserably in this category. Sorry Orton guzzler.Thanks for clarifying throughout this thread that you belong on my ignore list.

cutthemdown
01-03-2010, 11:20 AM
No our inability to pick up 3rd downs falls directly on the QB. It is his job to move the chains. He has failed miserably in this category. Sorry Orton guzzler.

How are about 20 3rd and short running plays Ortons fault? It's the whole offenses fault not just one player.

WolfpackGuy
01-03-2010, 11:20 AM
That's what happens when you lose 8 runningbacks in a season. We had a very good offense. One of the best young offenses in the game. It wasn't without its problems. But it was still a very good young offense.

You're better off talking to the wall.

Some people around here make it seem like they were together for years a la the Colts when in actuality it was less than 2.5 seasons.

HEAV
01-03-2010, 11:20 AM
Werder cites Champ Bailey, Brian Dawkins and Kyle Orton as some of the players who urged the coach to stress accountability in the run-up to the game against the Chiefs


Now I'm cool with the decision to bench Marshall. His team benched him, not just the coach, but the other players.

I love Brandon the player on the field...but again I hate the person off the field.

This is about building a team, one unit, with one goal.

Those calling for McDaniels to be fired or saying he doesn't know how to handle things...well those people clearly never played for a team or worked for a goal with a unit.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 11:20 AM
Weren't you one of the posters who complained that McD wasn't being publicly forthright during the Cutler fiasco??I don't see the comparison here. Sure, I thought he should have been "honest" about trying to move Jay behind the scenes. What does that have to do with going to the media and saying you've made a coaching decison not to play your best player?

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 11:22 AM
Werder cites Champ Bailey, Brian Dawkins and Kyle Orton as some of the players who urged the coach to stress accountability in the run-up to the game against the Chiefs


Now I'm cool with the decision to bench Marshall. His team benched him, not just the coach, but the other players.

I love Brandon the player on the field...but again I hate the person off the field.

This is about building a team, one unit, with one goal.

Those calling for McDaniels to be fired or saying he doesn't know how to handle things...well those people clearly never played for a team or worked for a goal with a unit.Just because these guys wanted him to stress accountability doesn't mean they want to have him benched. Nobody has reported that they wanted to have Marshall benched and Scheffler deactivated.

Pony Boy
01-03-2010, 11:24 AM
Does it matter if teams are trying to trade for these guys when the compensation is reduced considerably?

What compensation package is Marshall worth? I would have said his production, 2 pro bowls to his name would have easily warranted a couple of 1st rounders. Now, I would say we'll be lucky to get offered a 2nd for him.

We could tender him and if he is signed, we'll receive a 1st and 3rd... i doubt a team will go for that. Rather, they would let him go into Denver during the preseason and f things up... better yet, it could become a situation comparable to Ashley Lelie where he was eventually moved for a fraction of his worth, at that point and time.

If the Bronco's decide to move Marshall, there will be a biding war for him, he makes 4 or 5 teams an instant contender for the SB.... It's a shame it's come to this but facts are facts BMarsh has played his last game in a Bronco uniform and so has Shef.

WolfpackGuy
01-03-2010, 11:24 AM
We have not been able to win the line of scrimmage because apposing teams load the box. News flash...nobody is scared of kyle Orton!

The long ball liability bites the Broncos on the early downs.

The short yardage problems are direct results of HORRIBLE playcalling and not knowing your linemen.

Kid A
01-03-2010, 11:25 AM
I don't believe that these guys went to the coach and compained about Marshall. I believe that McDaniels used that discussion to slap Marshall and Scheffler in the face.

Well this is pretty much what you want to "believe" against what NFL insider Ed Weder is reporting. If team leaders went to McD asking for accountability, it's pretty ****ing clear what they were asking for...not a slap on the wrist, but for players who half-ass it in crucial games to get called out. To make it clear that on their team that isn't going to cut it, and nobody is going to get away with it.


Whether Dawkins and Champ etc. asked McDaniels to deal with Marsh or Scheff doesn't change the fact that he didn't have to air his dirty laundry in front of the media. That alone, shows eveyone what an idiot he truly is.

How exactly would they have hidden this? I'll admit I'm a little disappointed how this all came out, but if team captains are calling out a teammate for quitting on them, you can't exactly put them on the injury report and let them stand on the sideline.

Marshall and Scheffler aren't going to be allowed on the sidelines. When players are banned from the sideline it's pretty damn obvious that they aren't out just because of injury, so what would be the point in trying to cover it up?

DenverBrit
01-03-2010, 11:26 AM
I don't see the comparison here. Sure, I thought he should have been "honest" about trying to move Jay behind the scenes. What does that have to do with going to the media and saying you've made a coaching decison not to play your best player?

So you want to pick and choose when the coach talks to the media?

Good luck with that. Ha!

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 11:27 AM
You're better off talking to the wall.

Some people around here make it seem like they were together for years a la the Colts when in actuality it was less than 2.5 seasons.That's the assinine thing about it. Those guys really only had 2 full seasons and the potential was unlimited. Would Shanahan have improved the defense...I don't know. For the record, I was for the McDaniels hiring...I didn't want to see Shanny fired...but once he was...to me, McDaniels looked like the obvious hire...because of that young and immensely talented offense we had.

For McDaniels to come in and blow up the only talent this team had...is amazing and perplexing.

I'll be happy to eat my words x2 if he can get us deep into the playoffs next year. I hope to gawd he does. But, after seeing how he's handled the team this year...I can't say that I'm all that confident that he will and I have a hard time seeing where so many on the OM have received their confidence in him either.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 11:30 AM
So you want to pick and choose when the coach talks to the media?

Good luck with that. Ha!I don't think you are making sense. I think there are alot of things that a coach should say to the media. Just not stuff that is happening in the locker room. The offseason is a totally different animal IMO. But, if you want to lump it all into one way of doing things. Good luck to you.:kiss:

Killericon
01-03-2010, 11:31 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81571774&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Jamie Dukes: "He's calling this guy, Brandon Marshall, his integrity into question!"

As if that's a SHOCKING thing to do. I would very much like for him to be traded so I can hear about Marshall's bull**** someplace else.

colonelbeef
01-03-2010, 11:33 AM
The bottom line here is that the offense has been horrible this season, and considerably worse than last years' team.

Whatever you think of the handling of specific players, McDaniels simply isn't getting it done with the offense, and when you take into account how young the offense was last year and how it was improving, this year is a disaster from the offensive point of view.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 11:36 AM
Well this is pretty much what you want to "believe" against what NFL insider Ed Weder is reporting. If team leaders went to McD asking for accountability, it's pretty ****ing clear what they were asking for...not a slap on the wrist, but for players who half-ass it in crucial games to get called out. To make it clear that on their team that isn't going to cut it, and nobody is going to get away with it.




How exactly would they have hidden this? I'll admit I'm a little disappointed how this all came out, but if team captains are calling out a teammate for quitting on them, you can't exactly put them on the injury report and let them stand on the sideline.

Marshall and Scheffler aren't going to be allowed on the sidelines. When players are banned from the sideline it's pretty damn obvious that they aren't out just because of injury, so what would be the point in trying to cover it up?Good points. However, it hasn't been reported that way and until I hear that these guys went and complained about Marshall...I won't believe it. Would Rod Smith gone to Shanny and cried abot a teammate. No, he would have gotten in his face and tried to get him back on track. Maybe they did that and it didn't work. We don't know the extent of anything at the moment.

I'm sure we'll have an entire offseason to hear about the intricate details of this mess. Can't wait.

baja
01-03-2010, 11:41 AM
Everyone with a brain knows Mcdoosh ****ed up yet again. He's an idiot.

I got a good brain and I don't think McD is an idiot

rbackfactory80
01-03-2010, 11:42 AM
I need to call you your bs out.
You're full of **** if you're trying to tell us that lasy year you wanted Scheffler out.
You full of sh*t. Ok. Don't come over here and lie like that.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=71534&page=4

Don't make statements you clearly know nothing about.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=70037

baja
01-03-2010, 11:44 AM
They are right, McDaniels should have handled this stuff in house, and not said a word to the media. McDaniels was stupid making any statement beside Marshall would not play on Sunday. Calling a player out due to injury is wrong thing to do.

What really matters is what the rest or the team thinks not what the media leaches think.

baja
01-03-2010, 11:47 AM
2 firsts and a third for Cutler.

Plus a serviceable starting QB.

yavoon
01-03-2010, 11:48 AM
Well this is pretty much what you want to "believe" against what NFL insider Ed Weder is reporting. If team leaders went to McD asking for accountability, it's pretty ****ing clear what they were asking for...not a slap on the wrist, but for players who half-ass it in crucial games to get called out. To make it clear that on their team that isn't going to cut it, and nobody is going to get away with it.




How exactly would they have hidden this? I'll admit I'm a little disappointed how this all came out, but if team captains are calling out a teammate for quitting on them, you can't exactly put them on the injury report and let them stand on the sideline.

Marshall and Scheffler aren't going to be allowed on the sidelines. When players are banned from the sideline it's pretty damn obvious that they aren't out just because of injury, so what would be the point in trying to cover it up?

marshal, "coach I"m injured jogging, I aint gna play sunday."
mcdaniels, "it aint that bad u can still contribute"
marshal, "no coach, I aint playing"
mcdaniels, "fine then u can't be on the sidelines."

bpc
01-03-2010, 11:49 AM
That's what happens when you lose 8 runningbacks in a season. We had a very good offense. One of the best young offenses in the game. It wasn't without its problems. But it was still a very good young offense.

The funny thing that nobody talks about is if you asked about the Saints offense before this year, many would claim the same was true of Drew Brees and company. Not conjecture, just fact. I watched them many times bury their head in the sand against good defenses and not make the playoffs.

Yet this year, they are exalted after many times having highly productive yardage offenses.

Keep in mind, this Broncos offense you are criticizing was being led by a QB only completing his 2nd full year. He was going to get better. He had only just got capable OT's to pass block for him (12 sacks given up) and a 2nd WR (Eddie Royal, 100 catches in rookie season) on top of that.

Everything was pointing up. You can't say that Jay Cutler and the offense wouldn't have gotten better. Most of them only had 1 year of playing together yet almost led the league in yardage. Combine them with a capable HB who can start 15 or 16 games a season, another year of seasoning for Marsh, Royal, Scheff, the OL and Cutler and the scoring would have come up.

Nobody can refute this. They can only say, "Well look at what Jay did this year with Bears which had no OL, no WR's, and lousy playcalling...."

Pathetic excuses but BB members hear them on the daily anyways.

2nd FULL YEAR starting. Full complement of weapons coming back and we could have added a HB through the draft who could have been a stud for us, and at least would have given us one 100 yd day on the ground. The defense would have been better because honestly, it couldn't have been any worse.

It's just fact. Nobody has been able to refute it either. Just conjecture and crappy predictions.

Orange4Life
01-03-2010, 11:49 AM
Good points. However, it hasn't been reported that way and until I hear that these guys went and complained about Marshall...I won't believe it. Would Rod Smith gone to Shanny and cried abot a teammate. No, he would have gotten in his face and tried to get him back on track. Maybe they did that and it didn't work. We don't know the extent of anything at the moment.

I'm sure we'll have an entire offseason to hear about the intricate details of this mess. Can't wait.

Its been pretty well documented that Rod really tried to be a mentor to BM but it didn't do much good. If I remember right I think during training camp Rod pretty much washed his hands of BM.

BM is an absolute beast on the field but he is also a little bitch that only cares about himself. He is not going to listen to anyone about anything.

Sheffler is garbage. He will not be missed and no one was going to give us anything for him before this all went down.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 11:50 AM
Thanks for clarifying throughout this thread that you belong on my ignore list.Only like your side of the story, huh! You were probably one of those guys who took your ball and went home sucking your thumb.

Dagmar
01-03-2010, 11:55 AM
Only like your side of the story, huh! You were probably one of those guys who took your ball and went home sucking your thumb.

No, your moronic takes just aren't worth the time.

DenverBrit
01-03-2010, 12:01 PM
I don't think you are making sense. I think there are alot of things that a coach should say to the media. Just not stuff that is happening in the locker room. The offseason is a totally different animal IMO. But, if you want to lump it all into one way of doing things. Good luck to you.:kiss:

So if McD had just benched BM and TS and refused to explain, you'd be fine with that?

Yeah, right!

TonyR
01-03-2010, 12:09 PM
God some of you people are morons. This isn't that difficult.

Marshall faked/exaggerated an injury, declared himself unable to play, didn't like criticism during a film session, showed up late for therapy on his phony injury, and probably ran his mouth. Scheffler ran his mouth and pouted. What was McD supposed to do? Those of you who are parents know you have to follow through on theats of punishment with children. This is hardly different.

As for the argument that Marshall's and Scheffler's trade values have been hurt, didn't you crybabies make the same argument about Cutler?

Dagmar
01-03-2010, 12:14 PM
God some of you people are morons. This isn't that difficult.

Marshall faked/exaggerated an injury, declared himself unable to play, didn't like criticism during a film session, showed up late for therapy on his phony injury, and probably ran his mouth. Scheffler ran his mouth and pouted. What was McD supposed to do? Those of you who are parents know you have to follow through on theats of punishment with children. This is hardly different.

As for the argument that Marshall's and Scheffler's trade values have been hurt, didn't you crybabies make the same argument about Cutler?

Facts will NEVER stop the McD haters like broncofan7, rasta, hamrob, go_broncos etc...

snowspot66
01-03-2010, 12:20 PM
Honestly, I don't care any more. If we keep them great. If we trade them great.

I don't care. Why? Marshall is a constant headache and lots of teams win with receivers of lesser talent. We won Super Bowls with Rod and Eddie. Neither of those guys dominated. They showed up to work, played their hearts out, and left nothing on the field game after game.

Scheffler is highly over rate on this board. Guy hasn't done **** other than get hurt a good bit.

I don't care. This team will be better off with or without them. It's not all about talent. These guys don't have the competitive fire to drive a team. The sooner we rid ourselves of the Shanahan entitlement approach we'll be better off. If they can't get in line then they'll be gone and I don't care which way it goes.

The dominant teams with superstars in this league don't have this problem because superstars don't do this ****. Teams with "superstars" that do act like this are the Panthers with Peppers or the Cowboys with Owens. It looks flashy but gets you ****. You don't win unless everybody is on board no matter how much talent you have.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 12:21 PM
Plus a serviceable starting QB.Whose the servicable starting QB...did we hide him somewhere?

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 12:23 PM
Facts will NEVER stop the McD haters like broncofan7, rasta, hamrob, go_broncos etc...Facts can be interpreted several ways. Seems like you only respect your interpretation of the facts Rusty. That's a fact.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 12:24 PM
God some of you people are morons. This isn't that difficult.

Marshall faked/exaggerated an injury, declared himself unable to play, didn't like criticism during a film session, showed up late for therapy on his phony injury, and probably ran his mouth. Scheffler ran his mouth and pouted. What was McD supposed to do? Those of you who are parents know you have to follow through on theats of punishment with children. This is hardly different.

As for the argument that Marshall's and Scheffler's trade values have been hurt, didn't you crybabies make the same argument about Cutler?Yeah Tony, it's simple. That's why McDaniels is being roasted today on the NFLN, CBS etc. Right?

UberBroncoMan
01-03-2010, 12:25 PM
I go away for a week and this **** happens ROFL. There goes our star WR.

This team is a ****ing mess... pathetic.

Popps
01-03-2010, 12:27 PM
T
Everything was pointing up. .

Hilarious!

Worst defense in the league. Commentators were laughing and literally called us an "embarrassment" as we got destroyed by our division rival on the final game.

Our ****-can, free-lancing QB was 2nd in the league in INTs.

We were mediocre at score, and couldn't run the ball when we needed to.

10 years with only 1 playoff win.


Yea, things were looking GREAT, Chris. So great it was widely speculated that Shanahan would be replaced, and our owner rightfully did so.

Popps
01-03-2010, 12:28 PM
Yeah Tony, it's simple. That's why McDaniels is being roasted today on the NFLN, CBS etc. Right?

Yea, I seem to remember those same folks saying we we'd end up last in the AFC after losing Cutler, and that Cutler would go on to have success this year in Chicago.

So, the same people that failed miserably in every possible way on every prediction they made about our off-season are suddenly an important source?

TonyR
01-03-2010, 12:30 PM
Yeah Tony, it's simple. That's why McDaniels is being roasted today on the NFLN, CBS etc. Right?

Yes. Right. He's being "roasted" because that's what the media does. Create a drama and controversy and therefore a story. That's what it's all about. It clearly works on the simple minded. I don't think McD really cares what they're saying outside the locker room. He knows his team leaders - Dawkins, DJ, Champ, Graham, Orton - have his back. The only risk he's taking is that he's now put even more importance on winning today's game.

Hamrob
01-03-2010, 12:38 PM
Yea, I seem to remember those same folks saying we we'd end up last in the AFC after losing Cutler, and that Cutler would go on to have success this year in Chicago.

So, the same people that failed miserably in every possible way on every prediction they made about our off-season are suddenly an important source?Outside of Cutler having a good year this season...how were they wrong. We have won only 2 out of our last 9 games...I would say that's pretty pathetic.

Look, I hope McDaniels turns it around. He's not going to get fired this year...that's for sure. But, I'm sick of hearing about the Patriots Way. He either needs to be a Broncos Coach or go the F back to New England.

Yeah, the Pats have won 3 superbowls...good for them. We've been to 6 and won 2. I want to get back to where the Denver Broncos won championships...I could give a **** about the Patriots Way!

Dagmar
01-03-2010, 12:40 PM
Outside of Cutler having a good year this season...how were they wrong. We have won only 2 out of our last 9 games...I would say that's pretty pathetic.

Look, I hope McDaniels turns it around. He's not going to get fired this year...that's for sure. But, I'm sick of hearing about the Patriots Way. He either needs to be a Broncos Coach or go the F back to New England.

Yeah, the Pats have won 3 superbowls...good for them. We've been to 6 and won 2. I want to get back to where the Denver Broncos won championships...I could give a **** about the Patriots Way!

The whole thing about us ending last in the AFC?

We are 8 - 7.

Captain 'Dre
01-03-2010, 12:45 PM
Not allowed on sidelines or locker room. Just reported on ESPN. WOW!

Adam_Schefter (http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter)
Ed Werder reported that Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler not allowed on Broncos sideline or in locker room today.

Nothing says "You won't be back next year" quite like being banned from the sideline when you're inactive. :(

jsco70
01-03-2010, 12:52 PM
Outside of Cutler having a good year this season...how were they wrong. We have won only 2 out of our last 9 games...I would say that's pretty pathetic.

Look, I hope McDaniels turns it around. He's not going to get fired this year...that's for sure. But, I'm sick of hearing about the Patriots Way. He either needs to be a Broncos Coach or go the F back to New England.

Yeah, the Pats have won 3 superbowls...good for them. We've been to 6 and won 2. I want to get back to where the Denver Broncos won championships...I could give a **** about the Patriots Way!

I don't recall a single of instance of McD referring to coaching the "Patriots way" or turning Denver into "Patriots West." Hasn't this been 100% driven by fans and some media? Please correct me if I'm wrong and McD has said or inferred this.

Maybe if you're sick of hearing about it, you should stop saying it yourself.

TonyR
01-03-2010, 01:12 PM
Hasn't this been 100% driven by fans and some media?

Maybe if you're sick of hearing about it, you should stop saying it yourself.

Yes it has.

And well said.

ant1999e
01-03-2010, 01:18 PM
**** you...you little b****! If you don't like it **** off!

You don't whine and go cry to the coach if you don't like the way a teammate is behaving. You pull them a side and have a man to man talk.

Isn't that the way it was on your "Cheer" team? p***Y!

Let me rephrase my pervious statement to you. You are a ****ing idiot.

Ramathorn
01-03-2010, 02:16 PM
God some of you people are morons. This isn't that difficult.

Marshall faked/exaggerated an injury, declared himself unable to play, didn't like criticism during a film session, showed up late for therapy on his phony injury, and probably ran his mouth. Scheffler ran his mouth and pouted. What was McD supposed to do? Those of you who are parents know you have to follow through on theats of punishment with children. This is hardly different.

As for the argument that Marshall's and Scheffler's trade values have been hurt, didn't you crybabies make the same argument about Cutler?

If you dont mind kind sir, please name me the other coaches of the other 31 FN TEAMS that are having these same kinds of problems. How many problems like this occured with shanny at the helm????? GIVE ME A BREAK!! McDaniels is an impossible project. Dump him NOW!

ant1999e
01-03-2010, 02:18 PM
marshal, "coach I"m injured jogging, I aint gna play sunday."
mcdaniels, "it aint that bad u can still contribute"
marshal, "no coach, I aint playing"
mcdaniels, "fine then u can't be on the sidelines."

Don't forget it was too cold for him to practice last week.

rastaman
01-03-2010, 02:22 PM
I can't make this determination without knowing what the players did and/or said. On top of that, if this is something the team wanted then that provides even more support for the move. Can't have cancers in the huddle or on the sideline.

McD may prove to be a CANCER as well.

Ramathorn
01-03-2010, 02:29 PM
What a catch by gaffney!!

Dos Rios
01-03-2010, 02:35 PM
On the plus side, the team should have plenty of money to resign Dumervil and Kuper.

kamakazi_kal
01-03-2010, 02:46 PM
On the plus side, the team should have plenty of money to resign Dumervil and Kuper.

yeah .... unless they get traded or let go to prove a point.