Ralph Peters - "Lying to Ourselves"(about Islam)

[barryr]

Dead on article,

Lying to ourselves

By RALPH PETERS

Last Updated: 9:40 AM, December 29, 2009

Posted: 12:45 AM, December 29, 2009

On Christmas Day, an Islamist fanatic tried to blow up an airplane whose passengers were mostly Christians. And we helped.

Our government gets no thanks for preventing a tragedy. Only the bomber's ineptitude preserved the lives of nearly 300 innocents.

How did we help Umar Abdulmutallab, a wealthy Muslim university graduate who decided that Allah wanted him to slaughter Christians on their most joyous holiday?

By continuing to lie to ourselves. Although willing -- at last -- to briefly use the word "terror," yesterday President Obama still refused to make a connection between the action, the date and Islam.

Was it just a ticketing accident that led to a bombing attempt on Christmas? Was it all about blackout dates and frequent-flyer miles?

It wasn't. You know it. And I know it. But our government refuses to know it. Despite vast databases crammed with evidence, our leaders -- of both parties -- still refuse to connect Islamist terrorism with Islam.

Our insistence that "Islam's a religion of peace" would have been cold comfort to the family members of those passengers had the bomb detonated as planned.

Abdulmutallab's own father warned our diplomats that his son had been infected by Islamist extremism. Our diplomats did nothing. Why? Because (despite a series of embassy bombings) the State Department dreads linking terrorism to Islam.

Contrast our political correctness with Abdulmutallab's choice of Christmas for his intended massacre. Our troops stand down on Muslim holidays. A captive terrorist merely has to claim that a soldier dog-eared a Koran, and it's courts-martial all around.

We proclaim that the terrorists "don't represent Islam." OK, whom do they represent? The Franciscans? We don't get to decide what's Islam and what isn't. Muslims do. And far too many of them approve of violent jihad.

It gets worse. Instead of focusing on the religious zeal and inspiration of our enemies and how such motivations change the game, our "terrorism experts" agonize over whether such beasts as Abdulmutallab or Maj. Hasan, the Fort Hood assassin for Allah, are really members of al Qaeda or not.

As a Sunday Post editorial pointed out, al Qaeda's far more than a formal organization; it's an idea, a cause. If a terrorist says he's al Qaeda, he is, even if he doesn't have a union card from Jihadi Local 632.

We're dealing with a global Muslim movement, not a Masons' lodge.

And that "global" aspect is especially worrying. Despite limited Special Operations strikes beyond our recognized combat zones, we still don't accept the nature of the threat from jet-set jihadis. Our leaders and our military are obsessed with holding ground in Afghanistan -- even though al Qaeda's growth areas are in Yemen and Africa.

We voluntarily tie ourselves down, while our enemies focus on mobility. Worse, we've convinced ourselves that development aid (the left's all-purpose medicine) is the key to defeating al Qaeda.

That's utter nonsense. Abdulmutallab's a rich kid. He didn't come from a deprived background, bearing the grievances of the slum. He's a graduate of a top English university. And Osama bin Laden's from a super-rich family. How does building a footbridge in Afghanistan deter them?

Most of our home-grown Islamist terrorists hail from middle-class families -- such monsters as Maj. Hasan or the Virginia virgin-chasers under arrest in Pakistan (where jail conditions are a lot worse than at Guantanamo -- can't we just leave 'em there?).

This isn't a revolt of the wretched of the earth. These terrorists are the Muslim-fanatic versions of Bill Ayers and the Weathermen, pampered kids unhappy with the world. Al Qaeda's big guns are re- belling against privilege. There's a lot of Freud in this fundamentalism.

Spoiled brats remade their god in their own vengeful image. And we have to kill them. This one really is a zero-sum game.

We're not just fighting men but a plague of faith. Until Washington accepts that, we'll continue to reap a low return on our investments of blood and treasure.

On Christmas Day, a Muslim fanatic attempted to butcher hundreds of Christians (dead Jews would've been a bonus). Our response? Have airport security analyze the contents of grandma's mini-bottle of shampoo -- we don't want to "discriminate."

With our lies, self-deception and self-flagellation, we're terror's little helpers.

Ralph Peters' latest book is "The War After Armageddon."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/lying_to_ourselves_sjQTP9OuIQIrjE0oaYch2K

[orinjkrush]

Islam is not a religion. Muhammed was a pedophile.

[Bronx33]

Islam is not a religion. Muhammed was a pedophile.

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/8800000/Achmed-The-Dead-Terrorist-achmed-the-dead-terrorist-8898428-276-276.jpg

[orinjkrush]

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/8800000/Achmed-The-Dead-Terrorist-achmed-the-dead-terrorist-8898428-276-276.jpg

fatwah?

jihad??

[mhgaffney]

You are waging a crusade against a billion Muslims.

No wonder they fight back. That makes them human.

[Bronx33]

You are waging a crusade against a billion Muslims.

No wonder they fight back. That makes them human.

There are a billion radical muslims?

[Tombstone RJ]

You are waging a crusade against a billion Muslims.

No wonder they fight back. That makes them human.

Didn't the radical islamics wage war first? Are we not supposed to defend ourselves? The only crusade I see is yours, and its a crusade against common sense.

[watermock]

Mohammed was a POS.

Read this.


http://www.historyofjihad.org/mohammed.html

[Rigs11]

The 'terrorists' use Islam to wage war against us. We use 'democracy' and 'freedom' to wage war. What is the end result in both cases? Death. Selective history is a terrible thing.

[ant1999e]

You guys better watch out.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2547379/attempted_murder_of_kurt_westergaard.html?cat=62
Attempted Murder of Kurt Westergaard, Mohammed Cartoonist with Terrorist Ties Wounded, in Custody

Kurt Westergaard, a Danish cartoonist, has published a series of unflattering cartoons depicting the Muslim Prophet Mohammed, one famous one with a bomb with a lit fuse for a turban. Kurt Westergaard almost paid for his Mohammed cartoons with his life.

A twenty eight year old Somali national, with ties to a Somali terrorist group al-Shabaab and Al Qaeda, attempted to enter Kurt Westergaard's home in Viby near the western city of Aarhus with an ax and a knife, howling for revenge.

[Gort]

the average american, especially democrats/liberals/progressives, have no clue how dangerous islam really is. every muslim by definition (it's a tenet of their religion) wants the rest of us to be converted to islam, willing to accept a role in society as an untermensch/dhimmi, or killed. they may not all be willing to strap on 20lbs of dynamite to die for their 72 raisins, but they all believe in the validity of jihad. it's that simple really.

since 9/11, how many worldwide acts of terror have been committed in the name of islam (by their perpetrators)? anyone care to guess?

100? 500? 1000?

the answer is 14,600+ just since 9/11/2001!

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
http://www.jihadwatch.org

PS - muslims who believe in 72 virgins awaiting them in the afterlife will surely be disappointed when they get handed their box of sun-maid raisins and discover that the Koran has been mistranslated to them. :~ohyah!:

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2008/01/the-great-koran.html

[Bronx33]

the average american, especially democrats/liberals/progressives, have no clue how dangerous islam really is. every muslim by definition (it's a tenet of their religion) wants the rest of us to be converted to islam, willing to accept a role in society as an untermensch/dhimmi, or killed. they may not all be willing to strap on 20lbs of dynamite to die for their 72 raisins, but they all believe in the validity of jihad. it's that simple really.

since 9/11, how many worldwide acts of terror have been committed in the name of islam (by their perpetrators)? anyone care to guess?

100? 500? 1000?

the answer is 14,600+ just since 9/11/2001!

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
http://www.jihadwatch.org

PS - muslims who believe in 72 virgins awaiting them in the afterlife will surely be disappointed when they get handed their box of sun-maid raisins and discover that the Koran has been mistranslated to them. :~ohyah!:

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2008/01/the-great-koran.html

You really never see just an average muslim person speaking out against these terrorist attacks or terrorist killing innocent muslims in bombings ect which is against the koran.


The Qur'an clearly declares that killing an innocent person was tantamount to killing all mankind and likewise saving a single life was as if one had saved the life of all mankind. (The Qur'an, Al-Maidah 5:32) This is both a principle and a command.


You don't see any muslims speaking out against this and the reason is fear of being killed fact is radical muslims have hijacked the faith of islam.

[barryr]

And how many killings have been done in the name of Jesus or because the Bible said to during that time? Yet the liberals will put Islam and Christianity on the same playing field and only criticize Islam when doing the same with Christianity. They have no clue.

[Rigs11]

And how many killings have been done in the name of Jesus or because the Bible said to during that time? Yet the liberals will put Islam and Christianity on the same playing field and only criticize Islam when doing the same with Christianity. They have no clue.

All religions are interpreted differently. Yes even the bible.when the us keeps meddling in others affairs it just feeds these radicals and they gain strength.to blame a religion for the act of a small percentage of radicals who choose to wage war based on it is silly. To excuse our meddling because it's waged in the name of democracy is sillier.

[gyldenlove]

And how many killings have been done in the name of Jesus or because the Bible said to during that time? Yet the liberals will put Islam and Christianity on the same playing field and only criticize Islam when doing the same with Christianity. They have no clue.

How many people did die in Iraq as the direct result of Bush's invasion? 100.000? What was the reasoning again for going there? Oh yes, God told George Bush to do it. Do you want to tell me how many lives have lost in the name of Jesus? because that number is a lot bigger than you want to know.

[barryr]

How many people did die in Iraq as the direct result of Bush's invasion? 100.000? What was the reasoning again for going there? Oh yes, God told George Bush to do it. Do you want to tell me how many lives have lost in the name of Jesus? because that number is a lot bigger than you want to know.

Ah yes, the don't meddle and let their leaders kill their own people, so we don't have to know about it and pretend it isn't happening argument. Yes, what a great strategy. I'm sure the Jews loved how so many millions of them died as a result of so many waiting to do anything. But "duh, at least we didn't end up killing anyone trying to help." Yeah, sound reasoning by bozos.

[TheDave]

I don't know... this whole kill all members of a particular relegion just seems so 1940's to me.

[mhgaffney]

Didn't the radical islamics wage war first? Are we not supposed to defend ourselves? The only crusade I see is yours, and its a crusade against common sense.

No.

Not long ago Zbigniew Brzezinski -- National Security Adviser to Jimmy Carter and other presidents (incl Obama) -- bragged that he had brought down the evil Soviet empire by arming and training the Mujahedeen freedom fighters in Afhganistan.

This was BEFORE the Soviet invasion. Brzezinski was ecstatic that the US had actually lured the Soviets into a trap. Thus, the US was the instigator.

The Mujahedeen = radical Sunni Islamic jihad = Al Qaeda

Fact is, the US funded, trained and armed the ORIGINAL Al Qaeda.

Have you forgotten? Ronnie Ray-Gun even compared them to the founding fathers? Of course, he had Alzheimer' s at the time. But that didn't stop all of you clowns from supporting his genocidal military policies to the max.

Sad to say. You are just as stupid today as you were in the 1980s.

Let me rephrase that with a more positive phraseology: You still haven't learned a thing.

MHG

[Gort]

How many people did die in Iraq as the direct result of Bush's invasion? 100.000? What was the reasoning again for going there? Oh yes, God told George Bush to do it. Do you want to tell me how many lives have lost in the name of Jesus? because that number is a lot bigger than you want to know.

your first sentence is bull****. your second sentence is bull****. your fourth sentence is bull****. your sixth sentence is bull****. you clearly have alot a bull**** to spread around so carelessly. my conclusion is that you are full of bull****. carry on.

[Rigs11]

Ah yes, the don't meddle and let their leaders kill their own people, so we don't have to know about it and pretend it isn't happening argument. Yes, what a great strategy. I'm sure the Jews loved how so many millions of them died as a result of so many waiting to do anything. But "duh, at least we didn't end up killing anyone trying to help." Yeah, sound reasoning by bozos.

ahh yes the policeman argument.how come I don't see you screaming to help the people in darfur?are you that naive to think that dumbya went into Iraq because he wanted to help people?good god man wake up

[yavoon]

to deal more effectively with islamic extremism we have to deal more effectively with islamic supremacism. if you look at a lot of the mosques these few bombers come out of, they are almost always very popular islamic magnets of "devout" followers. from which only a minority end up being bombers but from which a majority are fed very aggressive islamic supremacism.

we have to come to grips with a world where malaysia, a democracy with a fairly slight muslim majority(about 60-40) can completely deny individual religious freedom in the name of islam.

[barryr]

ahh yes the policeman argument.how come I don't see you screaming to help the people in darfur?are you that naive to think that dumbya went into Iraq because he wanted to help people?good god man wake up


Oh yeah, it's because he wanted that oil, which is surely personally helping him today isn't it. The bozos on the left arguments such as those would mean more when a president doesn't have term limits. As for our members of Congress, that's another story and why I want term limits and no career politicians, at least the ones we have. But I know that flies over your head, continue on saying nothing.

[Dukes]

I advise all of you to check out Wahled Shoebat if you haven't heard of him already. A former PLO terrorist who converted to Christianity

http://www.shoebat.com/

[TailgateNut]

the average american, especially democrats/liberals/progressives, have no clue how dangerous islam really is. every muslim by definition (it's a tenet of their religion) wants the rest of us to be converted to islam, willing to accept a role in society as an untermensch/dhimmi, or killed. they may not all be willing to strap on 20lbs of dynamite to die for their 72 raisins, but they all believe in the validity of jihad. it's that simple really.

since 9/11, how many worldwide acts of terror have been committed in the name of islam (by their perpetrators)? anyone care to guess?

100? 500? 1000?

the answer is 14,600+ just since 9/11/2001!

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
http://www.jihadwatch.org

PS - muslims who believe in 72 virgins awaiting them in the afterlife will surely be disappointed when they get handed their box of sun-maid raisins and discover that the Koran has been mistranslated to them. :~ohyah!:

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2008/01/the-great-koran.html


:spit:

[TailgateNut]

I don't know... this whole kill all members of a particular relegion just seems so 1940's to me.

It's a "religious/fanatic" thing. They just can't get over the fact that some people don't believe in the same fairy tales as they do.

[TailgateNut]

your first sentence is bull****. your second sentence is bull****. your fourth sentence is bull****. your sixth sentence is bull****. you clearly have alot a bull**** to spread around so carelessly. my conclusion is that you are full of bull****. carry on.

AAH, the old "Bush had valid reasons to invade Iraq" Horsedung!

[DBruleU]

I advise all of you to check out Wahled Shoebat if you haven't heard of him already. A former PLO terrorist who converted to Christianity

http://www.shoebat.com/

I always enjoy hearing what this man has to say. He speaks a truth people really don't want to hear.

[watermock]

Love is the only force
capable of transforming an enemy into a friend"
Martin Luther King Jr. 1929-1968


Walid Shoebat Foundation.


CNN USA interview.An organization that cries out for the Justice of Israel and the Jewish people.

The Holocaust never ended but the victims have decided to defend themselves.

The occupation is in the minds of Children who are taught hatred.


Walid Shoebat and Kamal Saleem
at CU. Israel was the solution for the world’s greatest refugee problem that went on for two thousand years

Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?



World Have Your Say

Walid with one hour interview heard by 180 million people
When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out


Walid explains the exact problem with security, as well as the solution
Click To Listen
The Israeli Arab Conflict is not about geography but about Jew hatred; Throughout the Islamic as well as Christendom's history Jews have been persecuted, the persecution of Israel is just the same as the old antisemitism.


John Hancock Show, Walid Interview 12/30/2009
Click To Listen
The Arab refugees are being used as pawns' to create a terror breeding ground, as a form of aggression against Israel.

The Arab refugee problem was caused by Arab aggression and not Israel. Why should Israel be responsible for their fate?


Walid on Fox News' O'Reilly Factor.No one (Arab or Jew) has a "right of return". Jews who fled Arab persecution from 1948 to 1956 should have no right of return to Arab lands, and Arabs who ran away in 1948 and 1967 should have no right of return either. This should end all argument. Yet the Jews accept this judgment, while the Arabs reject EVERYTHING. - Walid Shoebat



Go try to tell ole Gaff that. Moron has no persective.

[rastaman]

Didn't the radical islamics wage war first? Are we not supposed to defend ourselves? The only crusade I see is yours, and its a crusade against common sense.

So just how ignorant and mis-informed are you on over 50 years of U.S. imperilism, nation building, election fraud and meddling in the Middle East are you?

The Chickens are coming home to roost due to the crimes done in our names by our elected officials has finally brought terroism to our country.

[yavoon]

So just how ignorant and mis-informed are you on over 50 years of U.S. imperilism, nation building, election fraud and meddling in the Middle East are you?

The Chickens are coming home to roost due to the crimes done in our names by our elected officials has finally brought terroism to our country.

if all those things were true wouldn't south america be more likely to be "bringing terrorism to us" than "the middle east"(guess pakistan and somalia are in the middle east now).

ghaff's 2.0 idiocy run amok.

[Tombstone RJ]

No.

Not long ago Zbigniew Brzezinski -- National Security Adviser to Jimmy Carter and other presidents (incl Obama) -- bragged that he had brought down the evil Soviet empire by arming and training the Mujahedeen freedom fighters in Afhganistan.

This was BEFORE the Soviet invasion. Brzezinski was ecstatic that the US had actually lured the Soviets into a trap. Thus, the US was the instigator.

The Mujahedeen = radical Sunni Islamic jihad = Al Qaeda

Fact is, the US funded, trained and armed the ORIGINAL Al Qaeda.

Have you forgotten? Ronnie Ray-Gun even compared them to the founding fathers? Of course, he had Alzheimer' s at the time. But that didn't stop all of you clowns from supporting his genocidal military policies to the max.

Sad to say. You are just as stupid today as you were in the 1980s.

Let me rephrase that with a more positive phraseology: You still haven't learned a thing.

MHG

:rofl:

you are one wierd dude.

So, the US created jihadists when the CIA help the mujahedeen? Yah, ok there spunky.

Give a few afghany freedom fighters some stinger missles to shoot down russian choppers and whamo, the US just created radical islamics all across the ME!

Is that what your saying?

Wow, just wow.

[Tombstone RJ]

So just how ignorant and mis-informed are you on over 50 years of U.S. imperilism, nation building, election fraud and meddling in the Middle East are you?

The Chickens are coming home to roost due to the crimes done in our names by our elected officials has finally brought terroism to our country.

Hmmmm.... speaking of chickens, I just ate some fried chicken... does that make me an imperialistic, meddling American too?

Oh wise one, I await your knowledge:notworthy

[Bronx33]

:rofl:

you are one wierd dude.

So, the US created jihadists when the CIA help the mujahedeen? Yah, ok there spunky.

Give a few afghany freedom fighters some stinger missles to shoot down russian choppers and whamo, the US just created radical islamics all across the ME!

Is that what your saying?

Wow, just wow.


Yep it was around the time when baskin robins ( 31 flavors) started dissapearing see the corolation!

[rastaman]

Hmmmm.... speaking of chickens, I just ate some fried chicken... does that make me an imperialistic, meddling American too?

Oh wise one, I await your knowledge:notworthy

Full of jokes ain't ya! Well lets see what type of jokes you and Bronx have should the unthinkable ever happen again. I want to hear more jokes from you two nim rods.8')

[Tombstone RJ]

Full of jokes ain't ya! Well lets see what type of jokes you and Bronx have should the unthinkable ever happen again. I want to hear more jokes from you two nim rods.8')

Weak, but par for the course for you.

[rastaman]

Weak, but par for the course for you.

What isn't amazing is how Shills and Hacks like you have bought into the lie that a war on terror can be won using the current methods we are employing.

You probably still believe in the "Tooth Fairy" and "Santa Claus"! ROFL!

[Bronx33]

Simply aweful smack talk..................... just aweful.

[SPfloppy]

Hmmmm.... speaking of chickens, I just ate some fried chicken... does that make me an imperialistic, meddling American too?

Oh wise one, I await your knowledge:notworthy


What kind of fried chicken? Churches, Popeye's, KFC? We only have KFC up here. man I could really go for some spicy bonafide Popeye's with red beans and rice

[Tombstone RJ]

What isn't amazing is how Shills and Hacks like you have bought into the lie that a war on terror can be won using the current methods we are employing.

You probably still believe in the "Tooth Fairy" and "Santa Claus"! ROFL!

I thought YOU were the Tooth Fairy... just saying... ROFL!

[Tombstone RJ]

What kind of fried chicken? Churches, Popeye's, KFC? We only have KFC up here. man I could really go for some spicy bonafide Popeye's with red beans and rice

I do love me some spicey fried chicken!! So, I'm going with Popeyes! :thumbs:

[Requiem]

:rofl:

you are one wierd dude.

So, the US created jihadists when the CIA help the mujahedeen? Yah, ok there spunky.

Give a few afghany freedom fighters some stinger missles to shoot down russian choppers and whamo, the US just created radical islamics all across the ME!

Is that what your saying?

Wow, just wow.

The United States funded and supplied arms and weaponry for militants who grew into Al Qaeda (and other networks) because we had a common enemy in the Soviets during the Cold War. So yes, in part, the United States used a lot of funds to provide Al Qaeda and other terrorist networks with the tools necessary to help fight back with the Soviets. Your enemies enemy is your friend. And no, it wasn't just a few. It was thousands. The examples of this throughout history, even ours, are innumerable. This wasn't the first time the government had mercenaries for hire who later came back to use what was given to them against 'em. And it won't be the last. Don't act too surprised.

[Tombstone RJ]

The United States funded and supplied arms and weaponry for militants who grew into Al Qaeda (and other networks) because we had a common enemy in the Soviets during the Cold War. So yes, in part, the United States used a lot of funds to provide Al Qaeda and other terrorist networks with the tools necessary to help fight back with the Soviets. Your enemies enemy is your friend. And no, it wasn't just a few. It was thousands. The examples of this throughout history, even ours, are innumerable. This wasn't the first time the government had mercenaries for hire who later came back to use what was given to them against 'em. And it won't be the last. Don't act too surprised.

I agree 100%

The CIA trained these guys, yes!

But the mistake the US gov made was to then walk away from them and forget about these people. That was the mistake! We trained them, gave them weapons, helped them win and then said "see ya later, your free!"

Well, what happened? We walked away an Al Quaeda stepped in. Now, it's not just the USSR that is the enemy, it's anyone who is not islamic and doesn't bow down to allah. Oh, and the US is the "great satan" because we stand for everything Al Queda hates!

Listen, I know what happened in the past, it's well documented. However, to claim that the US somehow formed all jihadists by helping the "afghany freedom fighters" wage war against the USSR is just silly.

It's this type of "conspiracy theory" crap that I have no stomach for. It's totally revisionist history written by whackos like "gaf."