View Full Version : Out of the Shadows - ex-CIA agent speaks on Pakistan
Bronco Yoda
12-29-2009, 06:32 AM
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Pretty much says it all. Conspiracy theorists unite and tell us there is nothing wrong with the world, except for the US. If we just leave them alone, they'll go back to being peaceful Afghans and Pakistanis.
TailgateNut
12-29-2009, 08:04 AM
Pretty much says it all. Conspiracy theorists unite and tell us there is nothing wrong with the world, except for the US. If we just leave them alone, they'll go back to being peaceful Afghans and Pakistanis.
No one (at least I can't recall anyone ever posting) is saying all is well, but don't allow that to prevent you from pulling **** out of your ass. In addition I doubt anyone has ever said, or is implying that we should just leave them alone. What many are saying is that we should approach the problem by targeting the real culprits, and not "create imaginary" monsters as BushCo did when they lied us into a war, which resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people, who, just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just like the deaths which occured on 9-11.
This is how they and we create the anger which results in extreme actions/reactions. This is how we "grow terrorism".
Garcia Bronco
12-29-2009, 08:21 AM
No one (at least I can't recall anyone ever posting) is saying all is well, but don't allow that to prevent you from pulling **** out of your ass. In addition I doubt anyone has ever said, or is implying that we should just leave them alone. What many are saying is that we should approach the problem by targeting the real culprits, and not "create imaginary" monsters as BushCo did when they lied us into a war, which resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people, who, just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just like the deaths which occured on 9-11.
This is how they and we create the anger which results in extreme actions/reactions. This is how we "grow terrorism".
The middle east had terrorists attacks innocents long before Bush Senior was in office.
TailgateNut
12-29-2009, 08:30 AM
The middle east had terrorists attacks innocents long before Bush Senior was in office.
That's some BRUTAL english.
That aside. No one is disputing the fact that terrorists have been doing this forever and a day, but IMO, to sink to their level is justifying their actions as well.
We may not send our troops with bombs strapped to their bodies into Al Queda camps, but our bombing of innocent residents of another country who have not declared war, nor made hostile moves toward us and/ or our soldiers is IMO no better than their actions.
The fact is Iraq was a radical, roque nation led by a torturous regime which was killing it's citizens by the thousands. I don't pretend to think that everything was great with the way we went in, but I believe in the end we've done more good than harm. Unfortunately their are casualties of war.
As for Afghanistan, the democratic policy in general didn't want to infuse the 30k + troops requested by military officials to move forward. The fact is, liberals want full removal of our troops from overseas... yet even on Christmas day people are trying to blow up our freedoms in this country and this central CIA operative in the war on terror said we can expect much bigger things.
Villains across the world have the USA figured out. Make people wait long enough and their impressions change, desires change, concerns change. Terrorists are merely trying to outlast us, not beat us. And the second we allow that to happen, we've lost and will pay for it many times over vs. what happened at 9/11. You willing to wait for that? Willing to let you and your children live on your knees in fear? Hell no. We're over there now. We might as well finish the job, and do it right.
watermock
12-30-2009, 03:25 AM
So is a few dozen CIA operatives were so sucessfull, why do we need 30k more, how many were allready there, they never say.
CBS is a CFR mouthpiece anyway.
Bronco Yoda
12-30-2009, 06:36 AM
We don't need all those troops. That's the point. Let the CIA do their job.
Tombstone RJ
12-30-2009, 07:25 AM
The fact is Iraq was a radical, roque nation led by a torturous regime which was killing it's citizens by the thousands. I don't pretend to think that everything was great with the way we went in, but I believe in the end we've done more good than harm. Unfortunately their are casualties of war.
Yes, perhaps, but that does not give the US the right to invade based on an overzealous administration hell bent on ignoring intelligence that told them there were no weapons of mass destruction.
Like Saddam or hate him (and the US loved the guy when he was at war with Iran) you don't "take him out" because you don't like his regime. That's just BS.
TailgateNut
12-30-2009, 07:40 AM
Yes, perhaps, but that does not give the US the right to invade based on an overzealous administration hell bent on ignoring intelligence that told them there were no weapons of mass destruction.
Like Saddam or hate him (and the US loved the guy when he was at war with Iran) you don't "take him out" because you don't like his regime. That's just BS.
....and as a sidenote: Who the **** nominated us as the WORLD POLICE FORCE, and why the **** do we end up with the bills?
mhgaffney
12-30-2009, 06:07 PM
Pretty much says it all. Conspiracy theorists unite and tell us there is nothing wrong with the world, except for the US. If we just leave them alone, they'll go back to being peaceful Afghans and Pakistanis.
You miss the point.
Neither of these nations are a threat to the United States.
So why are we there?
Requiem
12-30-2009, 09:15 PM
We need to think of our children Gaffney!!!!!!!!!!!! /sarcasm
watermock
12-31-2009, 05:18 AM
Our Afghani friends are walking into secure compunds and blowing up shiat.
Sounds like viet cong.
TailgateNut
12-31-2009, 05:22 AM
Our Afghani friends are walking into secure compunds and blowing up shiat.
Sounds like viet cong.
.....and that was another successful endeavour, wasn't it?:spit:
Dukes
12-31-2009, 06:41 AM
....and as a sidenote: Who the **** nominated us as the WORLD POLICE FORCE, and why the **** do we end up with the bills?
Couldn't agree more.
Spider
12-31-2009, 09:18 PM
Pretty much says it all. Conspiracy theorists unite and tell us there is nothing wrong with the world, except for the US. If we just leave them alone, they'll go back to being peaceful Afghans and Pakistanis.
I see you sling as much bull**** down here as you do with your takes up top ....Well at least you are consistent
BroncoBuff
12-31-2009, 09:44 PM
You miss the point.
Neither of these nations are a threat to the United States.
So why are we there?
Well said. We were of course justified post-9/11 in hitting the terror training camps and in extracting al-Qaeda and OBL (an historic Bush failure we're barely comprehending yet). But aside from that, we have no business invading nations like this.
We should step back, regroup and treat terror the right way - as the law enforcement problem it is. The U.S. Army is the wrong tool to stop guys with box-cutters and explosive underwear ... if you can't see that, you're too far gone. FBI and TSA, using Israeli detection and prevention techniques is the way to go.
bombay
12-31-2009, 09:55 PM
Afghanistan will always be a game of whack-a-mole.
BroncoBuff
12-31-2009, 10:06 PM
Afghanistan will always be a game of whack-a-mole.
And we respond like angry children having tantrums. Many nations have been victims of terror attacks, multiple terror attacks. But they respond the smart way: use cameras, surveillance and criminal investigative tactics to apprehend the perps.
Apprehension + punishment = deterrence. Period.
Bush should have used these same smart techniques to locate and extract OBL. Such a capture and punishment would have done worlds of good for deterrence and for global P.R. But nooooo. Instead he basically lets OBL go, turning him into a hero, and goes all developmentally-disabled-cowboy - throwing out tens of thousands of soldiers to stumble around in full body armor like idiots led to slaughter ... enraging the entire Islamic world and accomplishing nothing.
OBL is in Pakistan anyway, so wtf are we doing killing people in Afghanistan?
watermock
12-31-2009, 10:19 PM
Afghanistan will always be a game of whack-a-mole.
Ask Ben Stein. He knows everything.
He's pro-whack-a-mole too.
mhgaffney
12-31-2009, 10:32 PM
BroncoBuff is correct.
Terrorism is a law enforcement problem. The local and state cops, the FBI and Interpol have everything they need to attack and solve the problem.
Tombstone RJ
01-01-2010, 08:26 AM
BroncoBuff is correct.
Terrorism is a law enforcement problem. The local and state cops, the FBI and Interpol have everything they need to attack and solve the problem.
Nope, I disagree. The islamic extremist have declared war and you don't counter that with "police." Sorry, nope.