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watermock
12-27-2009, 03:35 AM
U.S. about to be hit by an electro-magnetic pulse attack
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Iran has carried out missile tests for what could be a plan for a nuclear strike on the United States, the head of a national security panel has warned.

In testimony before the House Armed Services Committee and in remarks to a private conference on missile defense over the weekend hosted by the Claremont Institute, Dr. William Graham warned that the U.S. intelligence community “doesn’t have a story” to explain the recent Iranian tests.

One group of tests that troubled Graham, the former White House science adviser under President Ronald Reagan, were successful efforts to launch a Scud missile from a platform in the Caspian Sea.

“They’ve got [test] ranges in Iran which are more than long enough to handle Scud launches and even Shahab-3 launches,” Dr. Graham said. “Why would they be launching from the surface of the Caspian Sea? They obviously have not explained that to us.”

Another troubling group of tests involved Shahab-3 launches where the Iranians "detonated the warhead near apogee, not over the target area where the thing would eventually land, but at altitude,” Graham said. “Why would they do that?”

Graham chairs the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack, a blue-ribbon panel established by Congress in 2001.

The commission examined the Iranian tests “and without too much effort connected the dots,” even though the U.S. intelligence community previously had failed to do so, Graham said.

“The only plausible explanation we can find is that the Iranians are figuring out how to launch a missile from a ship and get it up to altitude and then detonate it,” he said. “And that’s exactly what you would do if you had a nuclear weapon on a Scud or a Shahab-3 or other missile, and you wanted to explode it over the United States.”

The commission warned in a report issued in April that the United States was at risk of a sneak nuclear attack by a rogue nation or a terrorist group designed to take out our nation’s critical infrastructure.

"If even a crude nuclear weapon were detonated anywhere between 40 kilometers to 400 kilometers above the earth, in a split-second it would generate an electro-magnetic pulse [EMP] that would cripple military and civilian communications, power, transportation, water, food, and other infrastructure," the report warned.

While not causing immediate civilian casualties, the near-term impact on U.S. society would dwarf the damage of a direct nuclear strike on a U.S. city.

“The first indication [of such an attack] would be that the power would go out, and some, but not all, the telecommunications would go out. We would not physically feel anything in our bodies,” Graham said.

As electric power, water and gas delivery systems failed, there would be “truly massive traffic jams,” Graham added, since modern automobiles and signaling systems all depend on sophisticated electronics that would be disabled by the EMP wave.

“So you would be walking. You wouldn’t be driving at that point,” Graham said. “And it wouldn’t do any good to call the maintenance or repair people because they wouldn’t be able to get there, even if you could get through to them.”

The food distribution system also would grind to a halt as cold-storage warehouses stockpiling perishables went offline. Even warehouses equipped with backup diesel generators would fail, because “we wouldn’t be able to pump the fuel into the trucks and get the trucks to the warehouses,” Graham said.

The United States “would quickly revert to an early 19th century type of country.” except that we would have 10 times as many people with ten times fewer resources, he said.

“Most of the things we depend upon would be gone, and we would literally be depending on our own assets and those we could reach by walking to them,” Graham said.

America would begin to resemble the 2002 TV series, “Jeremiah,” which depicts a world bereft of law, infrastructure, and memory.

In the TV series, an unspecified virus wipes out the entire adult population of the planet. In an EMP attack, the casualties would be caused by our almost total dependence on technology for everything from food and water, to hospital care.

Within a week or two of the attack, people would start dying, Graham says.

“People in hospitals would be dying faster than that, because they depend on power to stay alive. But then it would go to water, food, civil authority, emergency services. And we would end up with a country with many, many people not surviving the event.”

Asked just how many Americans would die if Iran were to launch the EMP attack it appears to be preparing, Graham gave a chilling reply.

“You have to go back into the 1800s to look at the size of population” that could survive in a nation deprived of mechanized agriculture, transportation, power, water, and communication.

“I’d have to say that 70 to 90 percent of the population would not be sustainable after this kind of attack,” he said.

America would be reduced to a core of around 30 million people — about the number that existed in the decades after America’s independence from Great Britain.

The modern electronic economy would shut down, and America would most likely revert to “an earlier economy based on barter,” the EMP commission’s report on Critical National Infrastructure concluded earlier this year.

In his recent congressional testimony, Graham revealed that Iranian military journals, translated by the CIA at his commission’s request, “explicitly discuss a nuclear EMP attack that would gravely harm the United States.”

Furthermore, if Iran launched its attack from a cargo ship plying the commercial sea lanes off the East coast — a scenario that appears to have been tested during the Caspian Sea tests — U.S. investigators might never determine who was behind the attack. Because of the limits of nuclear forensic technology, it could take months. And to disguise their traces, the Iranians could simply decide to sink the ship that had been used to launch it, Graham said.

Several participants in last weekend’s conference in Dearborn, Mich., hosted by the conservative Claremont Institute argued that Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was thinking about an EMP attack when he opined that “a world without America is conceivable.”

In May 2007, then Undersecretary of State John Rood told Congress that the U.S. intelligence community estimates that Iran could develop an ICBM capable of hitting the continental United States by 2015.

But Iran could put a Scud missile on board a cargo ship and launch from the commercial sea lanes off America’s coasts well before then.

The only thing Iran is lacking for an effective EMP attack is a nuclear warhead, and no one knows with any certainty when that will occur. The latest U.S. intelligence estimate states that Iran could acquire the fissile material for a nuclear weapon as early as 2009, or as late as 2015, or possibly later.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld first detailed the “Scud-in-a-bucket” threat during a briefing in Huntsville, Ala., on Aug. 18, 2004.

While not explicitly naming Iran, Rumsfeld revealed that “one of the nations in the Middle East had launched a ballistic missile from a cargo vessel. They had taken a short-range, probably Scud missile, put it on a transporter-erector launcher, lowered it in, taken the vessel out into the water, peeled back the top, erected it, fired it, lowered it, and covered it up. And the ship that they used was using a radar and electronic equipment that was no different than 50, 60, 100 other ships operating in the immediate area.”

Iran’s first test of a ship-launched Scud missile occurred in spring 1998, and was mentioned several months later in veiled terms by the Commission to Assess the Ballistic Missile Threat to the United States, a blue-ribbon panel also known as the Rumsfeld Commission.

I was the first reporter to mention the Iran sea-launched missile test in an article appearing in the Washington Times in May 1999.

Intelligence reports on the launch were “well known to the White House but have not been disseminated to the appropriate congressional committees,” I wrote. Such a missile “could be used in a devastating stealth attack against the United States or Israel for which the United States has no known or planned defense.”

Few experts believe that Iran can be deterred from launching such an attack by the threat of massive retaliation against Iran. They point to a December 2001 statement by former Iranian President Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani, who mulled the possibility of Israeli retaliation after an Iranian nuclear strike.

“The use of an atomic bomb against Israel would destroy Israel completely, while [the same] against the Islamic only would cause damages. Such a scenario is not inconceivable,” Rafsanjani said at the time.

Rep. Trent Franks, R, Ariz., plans to introduce legislation next week that would require the Pentagon to lay the groundwork for an eventual military strike against Iran, to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons and EMP capability.

“An EMP attack on America would send us back to the horse and buggy era — without the horse and buggy,” he told the Claremont Institute conference on Saturday. “If you’re a terrorist, this is your ultimate goal, your ultimate asymmetric weapon.”

Noting Iran’s recent sea-launched and mid-flight warhead detonation tests, Rep. Franks concluded, “They could do it — either directly or anonymously by putting some freighter out there on the ocean.”

The only possible deterrent against Iran is the prospect of failure, Dr. Graham and other experts agreed. And the only way the United States could credibly threaten an Iranian missile strike would be to deploy effective national missile defenses.

“It’s well known that people don’t go on a diet until they’ve had a heart attack,” said Claremont Institute president Brian T. Kennedy. “And we as a nation are having a heart attack” when it comes to the threat of an EMP attack from Iran.

“As of today, we have no defense against such an attack. We need space-based missile defenses to protect against an EMP attack,” he told Newsmax.

Rep. Franks said he remains surprised at how partisan the subject of space-based missile defenses remain. “Nuclear missiles don’t discriminate on party lines when they land,” he said.

Arizona Republican Sen. Jon Kyl, a long-standing champion of missile defense, told the Claremont conference on Friday that Sen. Obama has opposed missile defense tooth and nail and as president would cut funding for these programs dramatically.

“Senator Obama has been quoted as saying, ‘I don’t agree with a missile defense system,’ and that we can cut $10 billion of the research out — never mind, as I say, that the entire budget is $9.6 billion, or $9.3 billion,” Kyl said.

Like Franks, Kyl believes that the only way to eventually deter Iran from launching an EMP attack on the United States is to deploy robust missile defense systems, including space-based interceptors.

The United States “needs a missile defense that is so strong, in all the different phases we need to defend against . . . that countries will decide it’s not worth coming up against us,” Kyl said.

“That’s one of the things that defeated the Soviet Union. That’s one of the ways we can deal with these rogue states . . . and also the way that we can keep countries that are not enemies today, but are potential enemies, from developing capabilities to challenge us. “

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watermock
12-27-2009, 03:40 AM
I think it's plausible, but absurd.

http://www.truthdig.com/images/reportuploads/iranian_leader_350.jpg




Will this affect my magic jack?

watermock
12-27-2009, 04:17 AM
Good ole Rumsfeld....


Intelligence reports on the launch were “well known to the White House but have not been disseminated to the appropriate congressional committees,” I wrote. Such a missile “could be used in a devastating stealth attack against the United States or Israel for which the United States has no known or planned defense.”

Few experts believe that Iran can be deterred from launching such an attack by the threat of massive retaliation against Iran. They point to a December 2001 statement by former Iranian President Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani, who mulled the possibility of Israeli retaliation after an Iranian nuclear strike.

“The use of an atomic bomb against Israel would destroy Israel completely, while [the same] against the Islamic only would cause damages. Such a scenario is not inconceivable,” Rafsanjani said at the time.

Rep. Trent Franks, R, Ariz., plans to introduce legislation next week that would require the Pentagon to lay the groundwork for an eventual military strike against Iran, to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons and EMP capability.


All we need is a 3rd war now.

watermock
12-27-2009, 04:19 AM
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld first detailed the “Scud-in-a-bucket” threat during a briefing in Huntsville, Ala., on Aug. 18, 2004.

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cutthemdown
12-27-2009, 11:23 AM
Scary stuff. If it did happen we know that there could only be a few countries behind it. We would have to nuke all them into the stone ages. If there is no USA, you can bet there will be no world.

America should make it clear any nuclear attack on us will result in all of our enemies being nuked. It's either a world led by America, or no world, take your pick.

cutthemdown
12-27-2009, 11:25 AM
Also I would think other countries, with sattelite data, other ships at sea, planes, someone would see the missile go up and the ship would be found IMO, even if sunk. I think it would be possible to do it, but not to get away with it free.

Iran should be told any country ever does something like that we won't worry about finding out who did it. You get nuked first then we start the investigation.

Bronco Yoda
12-28-2009, 04:28 AM
Scary stuff. If it did happen we know that there could only be a few countries behind it. We would have to nuke all them into the stone ages. If there is no USA, you can bet there will be no world.

America should make it clear any nuclear attack on us will result in all of our enemies being nuked. It's either a world led by America, or no world, take your pick.

I agree. There has to be no doubt left in anyones minds... if we go back to the stone we'll bring you with us. And I'm talking EVERYONE!

mhgaffney
12-28-2009, 07:12 AM
It's EMP -- not EMT

and it is caused by nuclear explosions

Which rules out Iran -- since Iran does not have nukes.

The report is just more scare mongering. Notice -- there is no link.

Dukes
12-28-2009, 07:33 AM
It's EMP -- not EMT

and it is caused by nuclear explosions

Which rules out Iran -- since Iran does not have nukes.

The report is just more scare mongering. Notice -- there is no link.

So Iran isn't trying to build a nuke?

orinjkrush
12-28-2009, 07:35 AM
if you think this scenario is plausible,

read "one second after" to think about the consequences.

mhgaffney
12-28-2009, 10:07 AM
For the umpteenth time -- no, there is no hard evidence Iran is trying to build a nuke.

There is some disturbing evidence -- but I believe it indicates that Iran wants to keep its options open, Undoubtedly there is a split inside Iran on the nuke question. Many realize that having a nuke will protect Iran from US attack and thus is a good thing. But Islam is strongly anti nuclear -- one of the reasons Islam should get our respect even if you don;t agree with other precepts.

We know that in 2003 Iran canceled its nuclear weapons program up to that point -- The same year Iran's supreme leader offered GW Bush a comprehensive peace deal -- which of course Bush in his stupidity -- rejected out of hand. The same offer was extended again in May-June 2006 -- and summarily rejected again.

To my knowledge these peace offers have never once been mentioned in the mainstream US press. You have to search the Internet to learn of this. So the average American is clueless.

Given US aggression - given that we have Iran surrounded with US military forces -- and given that the CIA is staging cover terror ops inside Iran -- I would not be surprised if Iran ultimately opted to build nukes -- in its own defense./

But thus far -- where is the evidence? There is none. The IAEA has visited every nuclear site in Iran -- and is using advanced technology to monitor the country. It;'s very very hard to cheat and get away with it.

Iran wants to maintain the capacity to enrich uranium to 3-5% for its nuclear power program -- and to enrich small amounts to 20% for medical and other research purposes. This is a far cry from enriching top 90+% in the amounts needed to build a bomb. They are a long way from a bomb, IMO.

mhgaffney
12-28-2009, 10:15 AM
To damage the continental US with EMP you need to set off the blast high in the atmosphere -- over Kansas or Missouri. To do this you need two thikngs
1. nukes
2. an ICBM that can carry it.

Thus far, Iran has neither. The states that have both are the US, Russia, UK, France, Probably China, Israel and maybe India.

Pakistan has nukes -- but probably not an ICBM.

This has been the case for many years. Why the sudden fear about EMP? The Soviets had the capability all through the Cold War.

Even if Iran had the capacity -- it would be suicide for them to use it -- just as it would have been suiccide for thew USSR during the Cold War.

But in the present climate of war mongering against Iran -- reason has gone out the window.

You need to reflect on the source of this war mongering. It is mainly coming from the Zionists -- and neo cons - but especially the Zionists.

You are being propagandized every hour of every day on US TV -- just like during the run up to the attack on Iraq in 2002. Are you aware of this?

Requiem
12-28-2009, 10:23 AM
Even if Iran was building a nuke, I wouldn't care. All the uranium enrichment and excess drilling is because the Iranians realize that oil and other fossil fuels will be non-existent in the region within the next 100 years. All of that oil, and the revenue from it, is what allows them to do what they do and employ the theocratic policy they have. It is a race to the bottom of the barrell. Get as much as you can, while you can.

As soon as the Iranians run out of oil, they will have to do something else (develop other aspects of their economy, which seem virtually non-existent) in order to keep their citizens happy and in line. They don't tax them now, and don't have to because of the tremendous revenue they get from fossil fuels. When that runs out, they will have to, and the people will be given more legitimacy.

The uranium enrichment is part of that (in hopes to build other sectors) as Gaffney alluded to in reference to nuclear power and medical + research aspects.

mhgaffney
12-28-2009, 10:48 AM
I agree, Req. It is a race to the bottom of the barrel. With wars and threats of war every step of the way.

The only way out of this insane future is to develop an energy alternative: a clean, cheap and abundant source of electricity. This would change the course of history in short order. Indeed the change would come swiftly -- almost over night.

We already have a source -- the sun. Not solar panels -- but to directly download solar electricity from the ionosphere.

This is what Tesla was working on.

But he was not allowed to complete his work. JP Morgan canceled his line of credit -- when he found out that electricity would soon be too cheap to meter.

Curious is it not that the same banksters -- then as now -- were trying to control the future. They set back science at least 100 years by pulling the rug out from Tesla, who was 300-400 years ahead of his time.

What I can't understand is why scientists and inventors have not flocked to pick up the thread where Tesla left off.

I'll post again a shot of his tower in Long Island. He was pulling electricity out of the ionosphere -- down thru the atmosphere -- a form of controlled lightning.

mhgaffney
12-28-2009, 10:50 AM
Here is Tesla's tower - built around 1900 -- and later dismantled. It no longer exists.

Requiem
12-28-2009, 11:05 AM
Too bad that private interest and back-room ball-grabbin' have the United States by the balls. There is no reason why we haven't thought of something better. Actually, I'm sure we have -- but getting it out there through all the riff-raff is the problem. Very cool info about Tesla, I'll have to research it some more. Cheers.

watermock
12-28-2009, 11:55 AM
Virtually all of Tesla's papers were stolen and still missing.

cutthemdown
12-28-2009, 01:09 PM
It's EMP -- not EMT

and it is caused by nuclear explosions

Which rules out Iran -- since Iran does not have nukes.

The report is just more scare mongering. Notice -- there is no link.

exactly. IMO Iran more worried about being overthrown by there own people then trying to nuke America. IMO the Iranians are about ready to overthrow the govt. There is take the repub guard may be the only military willing to support the govt.

100's of thousands are protesting fighting running battles with security and pro govt thugs.

If anything this could be the USA chance to stay on the sidelines. Support the opposition, hopefully get them to win, then offer olive branch and apologize for messing with there politics.

IMO that's what the little troll running Iran is really scared of.

Fedaykin
12-28-2009, 01:24 PM
Regardless of their ability to make a nuke or two, the question remains:

Is Iran willing to commit suicide?

Such an attack would give the U.S. broad international support (especially considering such an atmospheric detonation would spread radiative materials over the entire globe) for a counter attack -- either conventional or non-conventional.

It's not even MAD, it's just suicide. One or two nukes does them no good as an offensive weapon.

Requiem
12-28-2009, 01:37 PM
Ahmadenijad might be crazy, but I doubt he'd ever toss a nuke to Israel. He knows the game is over if that goes on.

mhgaffney
12-28-2009, 03:13 PM
Req,

Iran will not attack first.

But if Israel attacks Iran, the Iranians will definitely retaliate. They will probably use their medium range missiles -- conventionally armed -- with upgraded guidance systems,.

They can hit Israel's nuclear sites -- and the Dimona reactor -- very likely causing a toxic disaster in the Holy Land.

Israel will have destroyed itself. Let's hope the Zionists are not as crazy as they give every indication of being.

MHG