Terrorists attempt to destroy plane in Detroit...

[bpc]

Memories fade. Emotions wane. But the threat remains the same.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_airliner_disturbance

This is why we must continue to crack down on terrorists and fight on.

Hey Gaffey, care to spin this as a government conspiracy? Should we just embrace these villains and hug it out as you and your liberal ilk would like? Their only reason to live is to destroy what we care about most. Don't forget that when you're preaching on about how we should leave Iraq, withdraw from Afghanistan, leave Iran alone, you're permitting these agents of destruction to move freely and replicate. There are many worse things they wish to do. Even worse than 9/11.

[peacepipe]

this a result of sh!tty security in nigeria(apparently well known for weak security), & lack of follow up in amsterdam.

[TailgateNut]

this a result of ****ty security in nigeria(apparently well known for weak security), & lack of follow up in amsterdam.

No, according to bpc it's liberal policies which hatched and allowed this plot to come to fruition.ROFL!

[Meck77]

Time to mobilize the troops to Nigeria? What do you say?

[broncofan7]

Law enforcement officials identified the suspect in Friday's attempted attack as Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab.

You mean the alleged bomber wasn't a Caucasian, elderly female? Who knew.........

[barryr]

What? There are still terrorists who hate us even though Obama got elected and made a tour through the world apologizing for us and how bad we are? Shocking.

[Bronx33]

Just thank god the scumbag only fried his leg a god was looking after those folks and it sure wasn't allah.

[peacepipe]

Just thank god the scumbag only fried his leg a god was looking after those folks and it sure wasn't allah.

there the same thing you freaking moron. Allah is arabic for god.

[Bronx33]

there the same thing you freaking moron. Allah is arabic for god.



not my god a-hole....and no they are not the same.

[peacepipe]

While the term is best known in the West for its use by Muslims as a reference to God, it is used by Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, in reference to "God".
.

[Bronx33]

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5876/largelollypop1.jpg
for bringing up another stupid argument.

radical islamic interpretation of allah/koran ect ect= bad

The one worshipped here in america bible/god=good

I can't believe you're splitting hairs on which god was looking out for those folks. ( which was my point)

[mhgaffney]

What's the big deal?

Terrorism has existed in every age. There is no more terrorism today than 20 years ago -- or 100 years ago.

Terrorism is best handled by police work. Catch them, prosecute them, and if found guilty -- put them in prison.

What about this don't you understand?

Bush & Co had other BIGGER plans, as we know. They elevated the specter of terrorism to justify a global crusade against Islam.

Because they and their Zionist allies had a hidden agenda -- one the American people would never otherwise have supported.

Only dupes like you -- who never learn -- keep vomiting the politically correct propaganda.

[Requiem]

If it is not good, then it must not be God. Rahehehe.

[rastaman]

Time to mobilize the troops to Nigeria? What do you say?

Yeah sure....put on a uniform and lead the charge.....you arm chair sunday morning medal of honor winner 4 start General!Hilarious!

[SPfloppy]

Yeah sure....put on a uniform and lead the charge.....you arm chair sunday morning medal of honor winner 4 start General!Hilarious!

I am reasonabily certain he was being a smartass Rasta. No need to blast him.

Gaff, for the 90th time counter-terrorism is not police work and attempting to prosecute them falls right in line with thier plans and doctrine of manipulating our legal system. Eye for an eye. If they bomb a night club, airline or shopping center I say level the nieghborhood they came from in retaliation. They understand force.

[rastaman]

What? There are still terrorists who hate us even though Obama got elected and made a tour through the world apologizing for us and how bad we are? Shocking.

Whats shocking is you and your ilk are surprised that terrorist are trying to kill innocent Americans after 50 years of U.S. imperialism in the middle east has caused the death of untolds 100K's of innocent middle easterners.

By the way, we Americans are fooling ourselves if we don't or can't except casualties for supporting the wrong tool and ill-conceived plan for the Bush-Defense Corporation War on Terror! We citizens in the the U.S. have just made a deal with the devil and sadly "Chickens" have come home to ROOST.

The terrorist know the wealthy are well insulated from their reach.....so the terrorist will go after the weakiest amongst us which is everyday "Tom-Dick-Jane and Harry b/c they know the Gov't can't protect every citizen.

Welcome to the Global-Corporatist New World Order of Corporate Military Industrilaized caused Terrorism.

[rastaman]

I am reasonabily certain he was being a smartass Rasta. No need to blast him.

I blast him b/c its sentiment and jingoism like his that has caused alot of military members to know the horrors of war unnecessarily. But thats a long story to discuss at another time.

Gaff, for the 90th time counter-terrorism is not police work and attempting to prosecute them falls right in line with thier plans and doctrine of manipulating our legal system. Eye for an eye. If they bomb a night club, airline or shopping center I say level the nieghborhood they came from in retaliation. They understand force.

Tit-for-Tat won't work either it only makes more people want to become terrorist. What will work is to get to the bottom of what causes terrorism in the first place. Its not like these terrorist come out of their mothers womb stating their lifes ambitions are to become terrorist.

We know terrorism is a "Poor Man's weapon or countries weapon" to fight a more powerful enemy or country that is enforcing their political or economic or religious will and exploitation on them.

Using the 101st air borne, 100K's of infantry, Tanks and bombers won't stop terrorism.

[SleepingTiger]

Whats shocking is you and your ilk are surprised that terrorist are trying to kill innocent Americans after 50 years of U.S. imperialism in the middle east has caused the death of untolds 100K's of innocent middle easterners.

By the way, we Americans are fooling ourselves if we don't or can't except casualties for supporting the wrong tool and ill-conceived plan for the Bush-Defense Corporation War on Terror! We citizens in the the U.S. have just made a deal with the devil and sadly "Chickens" have come home to ROOST.

The terrorist know the wealthy are well insulated from their reach.....so the terrorist will go after the weakiest amongst us which is everyday "Tom-Dick-Jane and Harry b/c they know the Gov't can't protect every citizen.

Welcome to the Global-Corporatist New World Order of Corporate Military Industrilaized caused Terrorism.

sweet, some radical ahole wants to blow up innocent civillians and this guy thinks their actions are justified.

[rastaman]

sweet, some radical ahole wants to blow up innocent civillians and this guy thinks their actions are justified.

Hey JACK ASS I never said it was justified no more than our smart weapons kill innocents in the middle east and we call it COLLATERAL DAMAGE---Oops my bad sorry about that. Death is always a two-way street.

The question I have for closed-narrow mind is that collateral damage can be used by terrorist as to why they killed innocent Americans on American soil. Now do you get it! Remember if you want to have a war! there's gong to be causalties on both sides.

On thing you can best believe is that the wealthy and their loveones will seldom be targeted or become victims of terrorist attack b/c they have status, financial wherewithal and the intelligence to keep themselves safer than folks like you and I or our families.

Chomp on that why don't you.

[mhgaffney]

I am reasonabily certain he was being a smartass Rasta. No need to blast him.

Gaff, for the 90th time counter-terrorism is not police work and attempting to prosecute them falls right in line with thier plans and doctrine of manipulating our legal system. Eye for an eye. If they bomb a night club, airline or shopping center I say level the nieghborhood they came from in retaliation. They understand force.

Ordinary police and law enforcement worked just fine to unravel the Red Brigades operating in Europe in the 1970s. The commie terrorists were rounded up and put in prison.

Of course -- the same police network failed to expose and halt the CIA/NATO terror network in Europe at this same time. Why not? Funny thing. Because we learned -- much later -- that in many cases the police were complicit in the CIA terror.

This was documented in exhaustive detail by professor Daniele Ganser in his 2005 book NATO'S SECRET ARMIES.

[mhgaffney]

Ganser's book is high;y recommended.

The story of the CIA-NATO terror network has NEVER been told on US TV -- even to this day -- many years later.

I repeat: Never.

[Paladin]

Funny. I read in the paper that this guy was not a member of AQ or any other known group. One guy. No others. The perpetrator acted alone.

But go ahead and carry on with your hysterical claptrap.....

[Rigs11]

Rasta is right. These people don't just hate us for our freedoms. Is it justified that they attack us? No. But us carpet bombing them does not help. And it doesn't matter if we do it by in th name of democracy or in the name of god. It's wrong on both sides.

[theAPAOps5]

I knew a book plug would be in this thread!

Anyways back on topic. This shows what the bad guys found, a security loophole when connecting from a country with traditionally poor airline security. Yeah the TSA has its faults too but Nigeria is like the neighborhood watch program in terms of security.

I fully expect all travelers from places with known inferior security will be re-screened completely before connecting again.

[cutthemdown]

So this fools dad called the embassy and said my son is planning something, has become radical. They have his name, know who he is, put him on watch list and he still gets on a plane?

The authorities and people on that plane so lucky. What if it had worked? Could you imagine the outrage when the dudes dad said my son is going to do something?

[cutthemdown]

And Rasta you come off as an American hating punk. I ****ing hate you.

[barryr]

Whats shocking is you and your ilk are surprised that terrorist are trying to kill innocent Americans after 50 years of U.S. imperialism in the middle east has caused the death of untolds 100K's of innocent middle easterners.

By the way, we Americans are fooling ourselves if we don't or can't except casualties for supporting the wrong tool and ill-conceived plan for the Bush-Defense Corporation War on Terror! We citizens in the the U.S. have just made a deal with the devil and sadly "Chickens" have come home to ROOST.

The terrorist know the wealthy are well insulated from their reach.....so the terrorist will go after the weakiest amongst us which is everyday "Tom-Dick-Jane and Harry b/c they know the Gov't can't protect every citizen.

Welcome to the Global-Corporatist New World Order of Corporate Military Industrilaized caused Terrorism.


Yeah, it's not been their own leaders that have caused so many deaths to their own people, it's the U.S. just bombing away for no reason at all. Sound stuff there. Terrorists just want to kill, they don't care what your political leanings are, your net worth happens to be, etc. Wise up.

[cutthemdown]

I could care less what history lesson these ****wads get that makes them want to attack us. We just need to be smarter and more ruthless.

Hopefully Gaff is right and CIA out murdering and killing these ****ers every night of the week.

[cutthemdown]

Had Egypt/Syria/Jordan/Saudi Arabia/Iraq not attacked Israel then right now half of Jerusalem would be palestinian and they would have tons more land.

Without the war launched by arabs we would not have GAZA and the WEST BANK in the shape it is today.

How is people can't see that and want to just blame Israel for how it ended up? Meanwhile things not so bad in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, Iraq well, even they are better off. If they care so much how come they don't give more money in humanitarian aid?

[slyinky]

Terrorists just want to kill, they don't care what your political leanings are, your net worth happens to be, etc. Wise up.

Really? I didn't know that. Stupid terrorist should have saved himself the trouble and just bombed some Nigerian village or something. Would have been a lot easier. What was he thinking? Silly sociopath.

[rastaman]

And Rasta you come off as an American hating punk. I ****ing hate you.

And you come off as an American that does not know its F*#king History of the crimes commited by our government IN OUR NAME and for that I Hate Your Dumb Ass!

People like you learn nothing from history....and bear the burden of blame why the U.S. foreign policies of 3rd world countries thru exploitation of resources meddling in other countries politics and their elections make other countries loathe the U.S.

[cutthemdown]

And you come off as an American that does not know its F*#king History of the crimes commited by our government IN OUR NAME and for that I Hate Your Dumb Ass!

People like you learn nothing from history....and bear the burden of blame why the U.S. foreign policies of 3rd world countries thru exploitation of resources meddling in other countries politics and their elections make other countries loathe the U.S.

I suggest you travel. Americans are not loathed anywhere that is worth going.

[rastaman]

Yeah, it's not been their own leaders that have caused so many deaths to their own people, it's the U.S. just bombing away for no reason at all. Sound stuff there. Terrorists just want to kill, they don't care what your political leanings are, your net worth happens to be, etc. Wise up.

WRONG! Your networth actually insulates and drastically reduces the likelihood of you becoming victims of terrorist attack due the security apparatus and intel. they can surround themselves with. You and I as well as 100's of millions of ordinary U.S. citizens don't have this luxury.

As far as political leanings go, one can say the U.S. foreign policy agendas and the sides taken all in the name of corporate influences and political power struggles and covert agendas not only puts the avg U.S. citizen in danger but it also puts the entire globe at risk.

[rastaman]

I suggest you travel. Americans are not loathed anywhere that is worth going.

Oh I travel overseas. Just came back from the Philipines last year and I spent 22 years in the U.S. AF station in various countries around the world. So I know all about being loathed.

[rastaman]

I could care less what history lesson these ****wads get that makes them want to attack us. We just need to be smarter and more ruthless.

Hopefully Gaff is right and CIA out murdering and killing these ****ers every night of the week.

Good luck that hamster wheel exercise of futility. There aren't enough CIA-military invasions to stop terrrorism/terrorist b/c you're not fighting an entire country, you are fighting small cells of criminals.....plain and simple.

[cutthemdown]

Oh I travel overseas. Just came back from the Philipines last year and I spent 22 years in the U.S. AF station in various countries around the world. So I know all about being loathed.

Well I have to agree that military bases in the Phillipines not really a good situation anymore. Okinawa either.

So American military might be loathed, but tourists, no way. Go to Thailand or Singapore they love Americans.

I agree you can find a number of countries that Americans not wanted, but I said countries worth going to. Unless your looking for whores who would go to the Phillipines?

[cutthemdown]

Also Rasta it might just be you. Honestly you don't really seem too fun to hang out with.

[rastaman]

Just thank god the scumbag only fried his leg a god was looking after those folks and it sure wasn't allah.

Its going to take more than just God to save/stop terrorist/terrorism. Ya gotta get to the root of why a once normally thinking human being(s) has become suicidal and wants to kill people as well.

Remember it took over 40 years of U.S. meddling, collateral damage on the innocent men, women, and children and supporting and propping up doctors in the M.E. for the Chickens to come Home to Roost!

We didn't have terrorist breaking their necks in 60's, 70's, 80's and most of the 90's wanting to bring terrorism and terrorist to American shores and big cities.

Face it dude our country's leaders and our allies must find away to get to the bottom of what causes terrorism and change how we treat each other. While from a law enforcement, intelligence, SWAT teams, Interpol and go after the terrorist cells and bring them to justice.

[rastaman]

Well I have to agree that military bases in the Phillipines not really a good situation anymore. Okinawa either.

So American military might be loathed, but tourists, no way. Go to Thailand or Singapore they love Americans.

I agree you can find a number of countries that Americans not wanted, but I said countries worth going to. Unless your looking for whores who would go to the Phillipines?

Well Cutty, I have family that live in the Philipines....non of them are whores by the way. Although there's a lot of poverty there I've never meet more loving and considerate people.:sunshine:

[rastaman]

Also Rasta it might just be you. Honestly you don't really seem too fun to hang out with.

You are right I don't hang out with Knuckle head Americans who's Nationalism and jingoism BS the world has come to laugh at b/c of how ignorant and arrogance they view the world with.

[watermock]

Then go back to Liberia, I hear things are great there.

[Bronx33]

its going to take more than just god to save/stop terrorist/terrorism. Ya gotta get to the root of why a once normally thinking human being(s) has become suicidal and wants to kill people as well.

Remember it took over 40 years of u.s. Meddling, collateral damage on the innocent men, women, and children and supporting and propping up doctors in the m.e. For the chickens to come home to roost!

We didn't have terrorist breaking their necks in 60's, 70's, 80's and most of the 90's wanting to bring terrorism and terrorist to american shores and big cities.

Face it dude our country's leaders and our allies must find away to get to the bottom of what causes terrorism and change how we treat each other. While from a law enforcement, intelligence, swat teams, interpol and go after the terrorist cells and bring them to justice.

quit listening to radical lefty crap you fool think for yourself will ya.

[watermock]

Face it dude our country's leaders and our allies must find away to get to the bottom of what causes terrorism and change how we treat each other. While from a law enforcement, intelligence, swat teams, interpol and go after the terrorist cells and bring them to justice.

Wow...

That is exactly what they want and true americans are fighting against.

[rastaman]

Then go back to Liberia, I hear things are great there.

Too bad you can't turn back the clock in live 1933 Germany. You'd fit in really well.

[mhgaffney]

Had Egypt/Syria/Jordan/Saudi Arabia/Iraq not attacked Israel then right now half of Jerusalem would be palestinian and they would have tons more land.

Without the war launched by arabs we would not have GAZA and the WEST BANK in the shape it is today.

How is people can't see that and want to just blame Israel for how it ended up? Meanwhile things not so bad in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, Iraq well, even they are better off. If they care so much how come they don't give more money in humanitarian aid?

Which war are you referring to?

You vomit the standard view that Israel is the victim. But a close look at history shows that it just is not true. In actuality -- Israel has been the aggressor most of the time.

Here's a breakdown of the Israeli-Arab wars: Israel launched all but one. Given that Israel's campaign of ethnic cleansing and massacres of Palestinians started in 1947 -- months BEFORE the Arab armies attacked the new Jewish state in 1948 -- the standard view of the 1948 war is wrong. At a minimum -- the actual events were much more complex. Arguably the Arab attack in 1948 was in response to Israels campaign of ethnic terror and murder.

1948 - started by Israel (in 1947)

1956 - started by Israel

1967 - started by Israel

1973 - started by Egypt

1982 - started by Israel

2006 - started by Israel

2009 - started by Israel

[rastaman]

quit listening to radical lefty crap you fool think for yourself will ya.

What's wrong is the Reagan Revolution dying?Ha!

[watermock]

Rasta:

Do you think those things didn't allready exist?

It's all wallpaper.

There is only 1 semi-honest Senator left.

Grassley.

[mhgaffney]

Mock is the typical jaded American. He knows America is the world center of financial corruption.

He also knows that 911 was an inside job -- set up as a pretext to vastly expand US imperialism. Of course this means there was complicity on Wall Street.

Yet Mock is so impoverished as a human being -- that he prefers to play the blame game -- and blames the true victims of US wars and aggression for our troubles.

It's the ultimate hypocrisy.

[rastaman]

Wow...

That is exactly what they want and true americans are fighting against.

No not at all. Terrorism was created to replace the end of the cold war! Gotta have an enemey to justify the continued existance and justification of exploiting 3rd world countries for their resources and installing its leaders and keeping in power its dictators. How can we justify a 800 billion dollar military industrialize complex and corporate defense contractors with out an ENEMY!

Trillions of dollars have been spent and made since WTC attacks. Get a clue why don'tcha.

[rastaman]

Rasta:

Do you think those things didn't allready exist?

It's all wallpaper.

There is only 1 semi-honest Senator left.

Grassley.

What things are you referring to?

[watermock]

Too bad you can't turn back the clock in live 1933 Germany. You'd fit in really well.

I wish I could. The bankers brought Hitler to power, to overthrow the existing powers, there were many at that time.

Nothing should concern you but mid 1800's on.

BTW, try not to be so dynamic. Thre is alot you have to learn, in general.

[mhgaffney]

No not at all. Terrorism was created to replace the end of the cold war! Gotta have an enemey to justify the continued existance and justification of exploiting 3rd world countries for their resources and installing its leaders and keeping in power its dictators. How can we justify a 800 billion dollar military industrialize complex and corporate defense contractors with out an ENEMY!

Trillions of dollars have been spent and made since WTC attacks. Get a clue why don'tcha.

Mock knows all of the above. But he hates the victims of US imperialism anyway.

He is the ultimate contradiction. It shows his impoverishment of spirit.

[watermock]

Quote:
Face it dude our country's leaders and our allies must find away to get to the bottom of what causes terrorism and change how we treat each other. While from a law enforcement, intelligence, swat teams, interpol and go after the terrorist cells and bring them to justice.

Wow...

That is exactly what they want and true americans are fighting against.

Questions?

[rastaman]

I wish I could. The bankers brought Hitler to power, to overthrow the existing powers, there were many at that time.

Agreed. Bush grandfather Prescott Bush help financed the Hitler war machine and continued doing business with Hitler's Germany after the U.S. declared war on Germany will American soldiers were getting killed by german soldiers.

Nothing should concern you but mid 1800's on.

BTW, try not to be so dynamic. Thre is alot you have to learn, in general.

The U.S. and its democracy has been under fire since the JFK murder and since the USSC selected GW Bush as President. Then of course Reagan, HW Bush and GW Bush ushered in the blue-print and environment with turning the U.S. into a debtor-deficit spending nation and a service sector society.

Boy do you have much learning to do as wel.;)

[watermock]

Mock knows all of the above. But he hates the victims of US imperialism anyway.

He is the ultimate contradiction. It shows his impoverishment of spirit.

No.

Don't ever speak for me as a colleague. Your an idiot just as I am.

In a world where 50% of our own country can't write at a college level, when I could in the 3rd grade, in Iowa, whatthe****ever.

[cutthemdown]

The war I speak of is the one you spin. In 1947 the UN made a decision to make a partition of land, with Bethleham and Jerusalem split between both Jews and Palestinians.

The Arabs rejected this. Civil war broke out. Both sides killed people, eventually the Arab armies invaded. In the end the Zionists, Jewish people whatever you want to call them won. All the wars since then don't really matter. It was that war where the Palestinians lost everything IMO. Had they not met that decision with violence then today they would be better off.

Whether that decision was just who knows. But it was the British who had all the colonies there, if anyone is to blame its them not America.

[watermock]

The U.S. and its democracy has been under fire since the JFK murder and since the USSC selected GW Bush as President. Then of course Reagan, HW Bush and GW Bush ushered in the blue-print and environment with turning the U.S. into a debtor-deficit spending nation and a service sector society.

Boy do you have much learning to do as wel.;)

That was Clinton.

It's all the same scam.

My family has been wiped out 4 times.

****, Carter nearly wiped out cocacola.

[watermock]

Budweiser went down due to low stock price....

anyone remember FIAT?

God thank you Mr. Government for selling Chrysler to FIAT.

[rastaman]

No.

Don't ever speak for me as a colleague. Your an idiot just as I am.

In a world where 50% of our own country can't write at a college level, when I could in the 3rd grade, in Iowa, whatthe****ever.

Oh yes I forgot the dumbing down of America which was kicked off in 1981 when Reagan was elected. Today 28 years later, America can trace much of her problems to the election of Reagan and the continued voting against the best interest of the U.S. by voting for Presidential Admin. who were controlled by free market Corporations and the wealthiest 2% of this country.

[cutthemdown]

Also people don't know this but Stalin supported the Zionists. Really only the US eventually opposed the partition plan. At one point some arab soldiers blockaded Jews in Jerusalem and things got worst and worst.

No doubt you could say Palestinians left without any big world powers (UK, USA, USSR) to help them were screwed. Indians got screwed also but I wouldn't suggest for them to go to war.

Palestinians will probably never beat Israel and get there land back.

[rastaman]

That was Clinton.

No that was Reagan and Bush I & II,

It's all the same scam.

My family has been wiped out 4 times.

****, Carter nearly wiped out cocacola.

Oh well thats what happens when you make a deal with the Devil.

[watermock]

Back on topic, the idiot was clueless, the sad part is, anyone with half a brain can blow up a jet.

He just proved it by default.

[watermock]

liar, I said:

That was Clinton.

It's all the same scam.

My family has been wiped out 4 times.

****, Carter nearly wiped out cocacola.

[mhgaffney]

The war I speak of is the one you spin. In 1947 the UN made a decision to make a partition of land, with Bethleham and Jerusalem split between both Jews and Palestinians.

The Arabs rejected this. Civil war broke out. Both sides killed people, eventually the Arab armies invaded. In the end the Zionists, Jewish people whatever you want to call them won. All the wars since then don't really matter. It was that war where the Palestinians lost everything IMO. Had they not met that decision with violence then today they would be better off.

Whether that decision was just who knows. But it was the British who had all the colonies there, if anyone is to blame its them not America.

No Cut,

The Palestinians did NOT meet the UN decision with violence. Yes they rejected the partition plan -- but not in a violent way. Their reps simply said no.

The wave of violence started when the Zionists began driving the Palestinians off their land - and out of their homes. This was in 1947 -- after the partition vote.

As for the UN vote -- ask yourself: How would YOU feel if the UN voted to give away more than half of YOUR country to a group of European squatters holding title to only 2-3% of the US real estate?

The vote was a farce.

[broncofan7]

Mock is the typical jaded American. He knows America is the world center of financial corruption.

He also knows that 911 was an inside job -- set up as a pretext to vastly expand US imperialism. Of course this means there was complicity on Wall Street.

Yet Mock is so impoverished as a human being -- that he prefers to play the blame game -- and blames the true victims of US wars and aggression for our troubles.

It's the ultimate hypocrisy.

you need your clozaril dose adjusted ASAP! my goodness you are misguided......

[mhgaffney]

Also people don't know this but Stalin supported the Zionists. Really only the US eventually opposed the partition plan. At one point some arab soldiers blockaded Jews in Jerusalem and things got worst and worst.

No doubt you could say Palestinians left without any big world powers (UK, USA, USSR) to help them were screwed. Indians got screwed also but I wouldn't suggest for them to go to war.

Palestinians will probably never beat Israel and get there land back.

No. No. No.

The US supported the Partition Plan -- and why? Because the Zionists pulled out every stop. There was HUGE pressure here in the US -- a full court press by the Zionists - EVEN though Secretary of State Marshall (remember the Marshall Plan?) and numerous other high officials wisely opposed it.

Marshall later resigned to protest -- what he knew was going to be a disaster.

Once the Truman White House made the decision to support the Partition Plan -- the US called in every chit -- and when that failed used any and every possible threat to ram through enough UN votes to get passage.

Few Americans are aware of the behind the scenes leverage that was brought to bear in 1947.

The full story has never been told in the US media -- and has been all but erased from history.

[Fedaykin]

What? There are still terrorists who hate us even though Obama got elected and made a tour through the world apologizing for us and how bad we are? Shocking.

The aim was not to convince the terrorists to not hate us. The aim was to improve our reputation with non-terrorists so that we are more likely to get support rather than the terrorists.

[Fedaykin]

I can't believe you're splitting hairs

Bah, everyone knows Kirk is better than Picard.

[Fedaykin]

I am reasonabily certain he was being a smartass Rasta. No need to blast him.

Gaff, for the 90th time counter-terrorism is not police work and attempting to prosecute them falls right in line with thier plans and doctrine of manipulating our legal system. Eye for an eye. If they bomb a night club, airline or shopping center I say level the nieghborhood they came from in retaliation. They understand force.

Using that strategy, you'll get 3 new terrorists for every one you manage to kill -- see: 1950-2009

[Fedaykin]

I could care less what history lesson these ****wads get that makes them want to attack us. We just need to be smarter and more ruthless.


The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your grasp.

[Garcia Bronco]

So the guys that planned this where released from Gitmo in 2007. Nice...real nice.

[Bronco Yoda]

but....but... they did recieve some good art crayon lessons and an anger management class before being released. That's gotta count for something....no?

[peacepipe]

Someone needs to tell Jim Demint to stop playing politics & lift his hold on the nomination for southers to run TSA.

[Garcia Bronco]

but....but... they did recieve some good art crayon lessons and an anger management class before being released. That's gotta count for something....no?

LOL...I read that as well...a ****ing Art program in SA. Pathetic

[Fedaykin]

No.

Don't ever speak for me as a colleague. Your an idiot just as I am.

In a world where 50% of our own country can't write at a college level, when I could in the 3rd grade, in Iowa, whatthe****ever.

I have a quick tip for you. If you want to claim college level writing ability it's best not to do so with a grammatically incorrect sentence.

[cutthemdown]

The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your grasp.

The more you give, the more they will take.

[Garcia Bronco]

The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your grasp.

It's..."slip through your fingers."

[Fedaykin]

It's..."slip through your fingers."

Bah! That's what I get for trusting a random google found page to get the quote =P

[Garcia Bronco]

Bah! That's what I get for trusting a random google found page to get the quote =P

LOL. I am Star Wars junkie. I have probably seen the movie some where in the 500's...not to mention the other 2 original films.

[mhgaffney]

[QUOTE=cutthemdown;2694471 The more you give, the more they will take.[/QUOTE]

No, the more you give the more you RECEIVE.

Cut, how come you always manage to get it backass wards?

[cutthemdown]

Well that's good too Gaff because America, and Americans are the most generous in the world.

[Bronx33]

Well it appears the O man pulled out the it's bushes fault card again, so let me get this straight Janet Napolitano has been in charge for a year and hasen't even bothered to inspect the system in place? or maybe she has and failed to recognize this gaping hole in the system. ( I doubt they would be honest anyways) so forget getting a honest response on the subject they already past the buck anyways. So what exactly has janet and homeland security been doing for a year to protect us citizens on planes that had already been exploited once before?

And lets not forget the dirtbag was already on a watch list as well as his own father telling authorities at the US embassy in Abuja that his son was became radical after studying in London, authorities already knew where he had been and who he was with ( the terrorist themselves) and nothing was done to keep this pos off a plane bound for the US.


So yes Mr O it's sombodies fault and iam going to point the finger at janet napolitano and homeland security and i guess we can put that other campaign promise ( goverment accountability) on your list of lies.

Also it's time to start looking at this mosques in london and the US it seems they are getting a helping hand right in our own backyards.


And what exactly quailifies Janet Napolitano for a national security position anyways? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Napolitano)


The system failed all basic usefulness the very front line which is information failed so No b**** the system didn't work it didn't come remotely close to stopping anything..


ps: hows the US border? is the system working down south? do you even know where it is?

[ant1999e]

Oh I travel overseas. Just came back from the Philipines last year and I spent 22 years in the U.S. AF station in various countries around the world. So I know all about being loathed.

I bet you're one of those guys who stayed stationed overseas as much as possible.

[TailgateNut]

I bet you're one of those guys who stayed stationed overseas as much as possible.

....and what is wrong with being stationed overseas? I loved my time in Korea and the little time I was able to spend in Germany. Most people don't have too much of a choice as to their assignments unless it's part of an enlistment/ re-enlistment agreement.

[Bronx33]

As I've reported previously in these pages, we know Arabs are coming, from the discovery of three prayer rugs near Douglas and an Arabic diary inside a backpack in Hereford. In 2004, a rancher west of Fort Huachuca answered his door to greet a female illegal wanting to use the phone. The call was to Libya. (http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/trashing-arizona/Content?oid=1168857)

[Fedaykin]

So yes Mr O it's sombodies fault and iam going to point the finger at janet napolitano and homeland security and i guess we can put that other campaign promise ( goverment accountability) on your list of lies.

So, The Dutch allow a suspected terrorist with explosives to board a plane in their country that is headed for the U.S., and this constitutes a security breach for the TSA, an organization that had nothing to do with allowing him to get on the plane? What, exactly are they supposed to do short of not allowing international flights or taking over security in foreign countries' airports?

Your engaging in partisan quackery, nothing more.

[Dukes]

So, The Dutch allow a suspected terrorist with explosives to board a plane in their country that is headed for the U.S., and this constitutes a security breach for the TSA, an organization that had nothing to do with allowing him to get on the plane? What, exactly are they supposed to do short of not allowing international flights or taking over security in foreign countries' airports?

Your engaging in partisan quackery, nothing more.

Yeah it's silly to blame the TSA for another countries lack of security

[Bronx33]

So, The Dutch allow a suspected terrorist with explosives to board a plane in their country that is headed for the U.S., and this constitutes a security breach for the TSA, an organization that had nothing to do with allowing him to get on the plane? What, exactly are they supposed to do short of not allowing international flights or taking over security in foreign countries' airports?

Your engaging in partisan quackery, nothing more.

The TSA trains those people for all US bound flights and thats beside the point this really could have be avoided ( ALOT EARLIER) if homeland security was doing their job this was a failure at the most basic levels ( his own father turned him in on november 19th) all that was missing was a big red bow on the nigerians head and a sign in his hand that said ( iam a human bomb)

http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2008/12/tsa-outside-of-airport.html

[cutthemdown]

I don't agree this is on our homeland security. They are trying there best but honestly people treat the TSA at airports like crap. Certainly not with respect people show towards fireman and cops.

I will only blame govt for not having enough air marshals on the plane. IMO every plane and flight should have a marshal. I don't fly a lot, so this is hollow, but if tickets need to go up to pay for it so be it. Planes are dangerous and can kill people on the ground. People flying will have to foot the bill IMO.

[cutthemdown]

Bronx is right about it being a joke his dad turned him in and they still couldn't stop him from getting on a plane.

What's funnier is 2-3 yrs ago when I flew with my mom she got patted down at every airport. She's a 65 yr old white lady. But they can't stop a guy whose dad said he is going to do something? That is a total failure of the current people running the show.

IMO the CIA director should maybe lose job over this. He was never qualified to begin with.

[Bronx33]

I don't agree this is on our homeland security. They are trying there best but honestly people treat the TSA at airports like crap. Certainly not with respect people show towards fireman and cops.

I will only blame govt for not having enough air marshals on the plane. IMO every plane and flight should have a marshal. I don't fly a lot, so this is hollow, but if tickets need to go up to pay for it so be it. Planes are dangerous and can kill people on the ground. People flying will have to foot the bill IMO.


An air marshall could have done nothing to stop this senerio they are there to stop a plane from being taken over ( thats it)

[Bronx33]

It gets even better.... Hilarious!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/26/national/main6024386.shtml?tag=stack

An official briefed on the attack on a Detroit airliner said Saturday the U.S. has known for at least two years that the suspect in the attack could have terrorist ties.

The official told The Associated Press that the suspect, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, has been on a list that includes people with known or suspected contact or ties to a terrorist or terrorist organization. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

The Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment list is maintained by the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center. It includes about 550,000 names.

[Fedaykin]

I am quite nearly speechless that you all are just glossing over the fact that the security breach here was the fault of the Dutch, not the TSA or anyone in the U.S.

Again, what are we supposed to do, invade all foreign countries and take over security at their airports to make sure they are appropriately screening passengers?

[Bronx33]

I am quite nearly speechless that you all are just glossing over the fact that the security breach here was the fault of the Dutch, not the TSA or anyone in the U.S.

Again, what are we supposed to do, invade all foreign countries and take over security at their airports to make sure they are appropriately screening passengers?

THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE WORKING TOGETHER don't you think that would be wise? the whole system is useless if they don't work together the dutch should have had this guys name and never should have gotten on the plane ( don't you agree) ? if the dutch don't have the name what can they really do about it?

I understand what you are saying but the front line defense in homeland security being (information) wasn't used.

[peacepipe]

THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE WORKING TOGETHER don't you think that would be wise? the whole system is useless if they don't work together the dutch should have had this guys name and never should have gotten on the plane ( don't you agree) ? if the dutch don't have the name what can they really do about it?

I understand what you are saying but the front line defense in homeland security being (information) wasn't used.Another mess GWB left behind. This was supposed to be fixed years ago when 9/11 happened. Of course, all the bush apologists want to pretend that the last 8 yrs never happened.

[peacepipe]

It gets even better.... Hilarious!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/26/national/main6024386.shtml?tag=stack

An official briefed on the attack on a Detroit airliner said Saturday the U.S. has known for at least two years that the suspect in the attack could have terrorist ties.
The official told The Associated Press that the suspect, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, has been on a list that includes people with known or suspected contact or ties to a terrorist or terrorist organization. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

The Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment list is maintained by the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center. It includes about 550,000 names.
Seems this was a problem GWB & Co. never got around to.

[peacepipe]

An air marshall could have done nothing to stop this senerio they are there to stop a plane from being taken over ( thats it)

Your expect us to believe that a U.S. marshall would've just sat there & watched telling the passengers "sorry,but technicly he's not taking over the plane"? They are there for any situation that may arise.

[peacepipe]

I am reasonabily certain he was being a smartass Rasta. No need to blast him.

Gaff, for the 90th time counter-terrorism is not police work and attempting to prosecute them falls right in line with thier plans and doctrine of manipulating our legal system. Eye for an eye. If they bomb a night club, airline or shopping center I say level the nieghborhood they came from in retaliation. They understand force.Not according to GWB & Dick, They handed Richard reid,the shoe bomber right over to law enforcement, they even let him lawyer up. To paraphrase donald rumsfeld when asked about reid ,' it's a law enforcement issue' as well as that guy massoui in minn or mich. also handled by law enforcement. Our law enforement has tried & convicted more terrorist than has this "military tribunal" Law enforcement is more than capable,best suited to handle the trials for terrorists.

[ant1999e]

....and what is wrong with being stationed overseas? I loved my time in Korea and the little time I was able to spend in Germany. Most people don't have too much of a choice as to their assignments unless it's part of an enlistment/ re-enlistment agreement.

I had a blast while stationed in Korea. Nothing wrong with being stationed overseas. Once you are overseas, it's pretty easy to stay there jumping back and forth doing continuous overseas tours. Some people stay away from the U.S. too long and get absorbed into the cultures and take on the same anti- American sentiments that freedom hating countries have.

[cutthemdown]

An air marshall could have done nothing to stop this senerio they are there to stop a plane from being taken over ( thats it)

I disagree. A trained air marshal could possible spot the explosives earlier, notice the passenger acting funny, going to the bathroom right before plane lands etc etc. Or he could be in a position to tackle the offender and not let it have to be passengers.

Your wrong a marshal would be a good idea on every plane, and IMO you have no idea what he could or could not have done. For all you know he would have been on to the guy earlier.

[cutthemdown]

Your expect us to believe that a U.S. marshall would've just sat there & watched telling the passengers "sorry,but technicly he's not taking over the plane"? They are there for any situation that may arise.

I agree they should be on every flight. Bronx can't say for sure if a marshal could have helped or not. For one passengers should not be counted on to subdue passengers who try and blow up the plane. We should have pros onboard for that. People trained in hand to hand combat, firearms, explosives, crowd management etc etc.

[Bronx33]

I agree they should be on every flight. Bronx can't say for sure if a marshal could have helped or not. For one passengers should not be counted on to subdue passengers who try and blow up the plane. We should have pros onboard for that. People trained in hand to hand combat, firearms, explosives, crowd management etc etc.

True but lets look at the senerio a guy that already got through security is sitting there gets up goes the bathroom injects the explosive then goes back to his seat and waits for it to blow up.

When exactly is the marshall suppose to intervene to stop a explosives from going off? sure a marshall could possiably have done something and i highly doubt this guy did anything out of the ordinary to raise attention to himself and remember it's one guy among 300 passengers ( chances are slim) the marshall has a small chance at stopping this type of attack. ( This kind of attack needs to be stopped at the airport) before he gets on the flight.

So yes if a terrorist stands up with a weapon and threatens the flight a marshall could be helpful thats mainly why hes there and remember a flight can't always count on fellow passengers being heros so basically the marshall is by himself.

[Bronx33]

Your expect us to believe that a U.S. marshall would've just sat there & watched telling the passengers "sorry,but technicly he's not taking over the plane"? They are there for any situation that may arise.

Didn't say he would just sit there and do nothing but thanks for speculating but try watching 10 kids and then try to imagine watching 300 people in a flying tube and then try to pick out the guy with a bomb in his pants.;D

[peacepipe]

Didn't say he would just sit there and do nothing but thanks for speculating but try watching 10 kids and then try to imagine watching 300 people in a flying tube and then try to pick out the guy with a bomb in his pants.;D

I don't know if you've ever been on a plane but it wouldn't be that dificult to do. 100% of the time everybody sits there patiently or impatiently waiting to leave & get to their destination. There not running around like crased luenatics. You sit in the front of the plane & periodicly walk thruogh the plane looking for any signs of wrong doing. I worked as bouncer for 5 yrs in a club that fit 900-1000 people. If I can walk around in a dark crowded club where everyone is running around doing this & that & spot underagers trying to drink,kids trying sneak somewhere to smoke weed & catch them. A U.S. marshall should have no problem watching over a plane full of calm & colllected people.

[Bronx33]

I don't know if you've ever been on a plane but it wouldn't be that dificult to do. 100% of the time everybody sits there patiently or impatiently waiting to leave & get to their destination. There not running around like crased luenatics. You sit in the front of the plane & periodicly walk thruogh the plane looking for any signs of wrong doing. I worked as bouncer for 5 yrs in a club that fit 900-1000 people. If I can walk around in a dark crowded club where everyone is running around doing this & that & spot underagers trying to drink,kids trying sneak somewhere to smoke weed & catch them. A U.S. marshall should have no problem watching over a plane full of calm & colllected people.

And a person getting up to go to the bathroom and coming back tells him to do what? A- Pick a movie or B- ask for another magazine, listen i hear what your saying but an air marshall can't do shyt in this situiation hes not magic i don't care how you try and twist it up. ( this type of attack needs to be stopped at the airport via airport security or via intelligence.)

And the sentence in bold is pure speculation at best also the marshall is the last line of defense/insurance he should be dealing with a clean plane with zero bombs/weapons and if he is dealing with any of those ( somebody ****ed up) on the ground.

[cutthemdown]

And a person getting up to go to the bathroom and coming back tells him to do what? A- Pick a movie or B- ask for another magazine, listen i hear what your saying but an air marshall can't do shyt in this situiation hes not magic i don't care how you try and twist it up. ( this type of attack needs to be stopped at the airport via airport security or via intelligence.)

And the sentence in bold is pure speculation at best also the marshall is the last line of defense/insurance he should be dealing with a clean plane with zero bombs/weapons and if he is dealing with any of those ( somebody ****ed up) on the ground.

Well the thing is you don't know that. Regardless of whether this could have been helped by a marshal they still belong on every, or at least 80% of flights.

I also agree the CIA should be better. I also agree more airport security. It's everything not just one thing.

Don't go blaming Obama though it's hard for a president to manage things that go down to the level of a boarding agent at a gate in the Netherlands ETC.

What we do need is to tell ACLU to screw it everyone goes through the backscatter xray before boarding any plane they travel on. Even when you have already been screened at another airport.

That, coupled with a marshal on the plane, IMO would end this problem.

[cutthemdown]

Bronx I feel you are trying to blame Obama in some way when IMO things like this are really hard for a President to control.

CIA needs to get better, air security needs to be better, but IMO finger pointing on stuff like this isn't what is needed.

I agree with you though that Obama is putting stimulus, health care, in front of security, and he almost paid a huge price. As it is he got lucky as did we all.

[Bronx33]

Bronx I feel you are trying to blame Obama in some way when IMO things like this are really hard for a President to control.
CIA needs to get better, air security needs to be better, but IMO finger pointing on stuff like this isn't what is needed.

I agree with you though that Obama is putting stimulus, health care, in front of security, and he almost paid a huge price. As it is he got lucky as did we all.


Ummmm no nothing can be further from the truth i blame HLS, obama has nothing to do with terrorist intelligence or information gathering or the systems implemented to do it janet N does....

edit: Obama better be tearing that fred flintstone looking b**** a new ass if not replacing her ass altogether.

[gyldenlove]

It is a good thing terrorists are stupid, this reminds me of the shoe guy a number of years ago, you go through all that trouble to smuggle a miniscule amount of explosive aboard a plane and then you are too stupid to set it off. This my friends, is something evolution would have cured if we had not gone and invented modern medicine.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Thank goodness for quick-acting Dutch. Lord knows that our Homeland Security obviously wasnt doing its job here. Obamawaffle needs to grow a spine.

[rastaman]

Thank goodness for quick-acting Dutch. Lord knows that our Homeland Security obviously wasnt doing its job here. Obamawaffle needs to grow a spine.

Like Bush and Cheney failed to grow a spine 9 months before 9-11. How much spine does it take to ignore all the warnings before 9-11.

Despite all he multitudes of warning the Bush Admin received and were briefed on....Bush still managed to take more vactions than any President in recent memory.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Like Bush and Cheney failed to grow a spine 9 months before 9-11. How much spine does it take to ignore all the warnings before 9-11.

Despite all he multitudes of warning the Bush Admin received and were briefed on....Bush still managed to take more vactions than any President in recent memory.

^ Amen!

Not only that, but the court-appointed fraud and his admin didn't even have a CT program in place before 9/11. The bush junta gutted Clinton's CT program and replaced it with NOTHING.

Cheney was tasked with heading a new CT team, and that new team didn't even meet once until 9/10/2001 (this after being warned by the outgoing admin that Bin Laden and terrorism should be top priorities.)

[Bronx33]

Question can rasta and his sister go one post without bringing up bush? time to move on ladies this is obamas show now so put your love for bush on hold and try to stay on topic cause you both look like fools everytime you use bush as an excuse for obama and his administrations mistakes.

[Laramie]

Question can rasta and his sister go one post without bringing up bush? time to move on ladies this is obamas show now so put your love for bush on hold and try to stay on topic cause you both look like fools everytime you use bush as an excuse for obama and his administrations mistakes.

they too busy sucking each outher off

[Bronx33]

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6853/napalatano.jpg

[rastaman]

Question can rasta and his sister go one post without bringing up bush? time to move on ladies this is obamas show now so put your love for bush on hold and try to stay on topic cause you both look like fools everytime you use bush as an excuse for obama and his administrations mistakes.

Shut up Bronx. Its utterly amazing how stupid people like you truly are. You guys never see the big picture on terrorism. You have fallen into the belief that the terrorist hate us for our freedoms vs realizing that it has been our country terrorizing the ME and its citizens for over 50 plus years. We have killed their leaders, supported dictators, meddled in their elections and politics, killed innocent women and children, and invaded and occupied the ME.

Now the chickens are finally coming home to roost! Case in point, the current criminal who tried to destroy the plane in Detroit was 14 years old on 9-11! Was he a terrorist then? Why is it that the terrorist today are so young? Could it be this young man was recruited b/c of what the behavior U.S. is currently demonstrating with our foreign policies and heavy handed military presence in the ME and in North Africa?

The current strategies and methods used to fight the so called war on terror/winning the war on terror is a complete fraud and circle JERK. All we are doing is creating more terrorist with no end in site. Ten years from now when my son is in his 20's......CNN, MS NBC, and Fox will still continue to broadcast their propaganda of fear.

Meanwhile we as American Citizens are losing more and more of our freedoms, privacy, and civil liberties incrementally, day-by-day and step by step.

The U.S. had better find a way to get out of every ME country and stop killing innocent ME, Afghan, and Pakistani innocent men, women, or children or all hell is going to break lose in our cities in the near future. Already, our smart bombs, Drones, and Predators are killing innocent Pakistani and Afghan citizens, and for what! These children in these countries who have seen their love one kill by the U.S. will one day seek revenge and come to American as suicide bombers.

All the security in the world will not keep my family and your family safe from determined human beings wanting to be suicidal bombers to exact revenge on ordinary U.S. citizens b/c of the damage, chaos, murder and killing our foreign policies and U.S. military has done in our name.

The U.S. is rapidly sliding down the slippery slope of Becoming Fortress America and a Police State.

[rastaman]

they too busy sucking each outher off

You are evidently a product of incest.....why should anyone listen to you....Nim Rod.:peace:

[Bronx33]

Shut up Bronx. Its utterly amazing how stupid people like you truly are. You guys never see the big picture on terrorism. You have fallen into the belief that the terrorist hate us for our freedoms vs realizing that it has been our country terrorizing the ME and its citizens for over 50 plus years. We have killed their leaders, supported dictators, meddled in their elections and politics, killed innocent women and children, and invaded and occupied the ME.

Now the chickens are finally coming home to roost! Case in point, the current criminal who tried to destroy the plane in Detroit was 14 years old on 9-11! Was he a terrorist then? Why is it that the terrorist today are so young? Could it be this young man was recruited b/c of what the behavior U.S. is currently demonstrating with our foreign policies and heavy handed military presence in the ME and in North Africa?

The current strategies and methods used to fight the so called war on terror/winning the war on terror is a complete fraud and circle JERK. All we are doing is creating more terrorist with no end in site. Ten years from now when my son is in his 20's......CNN, MS NBC, and Fox will still continue to broadcast their propaganda of fear.

Meanwhile we as American Citizens are losing more and more of our freedoms, privacy, and civil liberties incrementally, day-by-day and step by step.

The U.S. had better find a way to get out of every ME country and stop killing innocent ME, Afghan, and Pakistani innocent men, women, or children or all hell is going to break lose in our cities in the near future. Already, our smart bombs, Drones, and Predators are killing innocent Pakistani and Afghan citizens, and for what! These children in these countries who have seen their love one kill by the U.S. will one day seek revenge and come to American as suicide bombers.

All the security in the world will not keep my family and your family safe from determined human beings wanting to be suicidal bombers to exact revenge on ordinary U.S. citizens b/c of the damage, chaos, murder and killing our foreign policies and U.S. military has done in our name.

The U.S. is rapidly sliding down the slippery slope of Becoming Fortress America and a Police State.

Congrats on going one post without saying the word bush. ;) iam also glad you have noticed where obama is taking the US.

[rastaman]

Congrats on going one post without saying the word bush. ;) iam also glad you have noticed where obama is taking the US.

Figures idiots like you can't see or refuse to come to terms with the damages the Bush Crime Family did to this country over an 8 year period.

In your ignorant mind all is forgotten.....and lets target Obama who has yet to be in Office long enough to begin correcting the damages of the Supreme Court SELECTED GW Bush.

So yes I'll continue to mention the DAMAGES of GW Bush until his crimes are brought to justice or a President(s) over the next 8 to 16 years can correct the damages from 8 years of the Bush Crime Family.

If you didn't speak out/protest over the deadly direction and path the Supreme Court set this nation on by selecting GW Bush during his 8 year of incompetencies and crimes.....then you can't biitch moan and complain on the direction Obama is taking the county. Just enjoy the F*#king ride....Nim Rod!

Enjoy the Obama Presidency.....after all the this country and the entire world endured the Supreme Court Selected Bush-Cheney Crime for 8 long years.:sunshine:

[Bronx33]

Like i said congrats on (one post) ROFL!

[Bronx33]

There appears to be a battle raging within Barack Obama. How this war is resolved will decide how we fight the war on terror and determine if we win it at all. In his speech last spring in Cairo, Mr. Obama said, "I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear." Defending the honor of Islam and protecting Muslims is one of the goals that Barack Obama has set for himself. It constitutes a personal definition of his presidency. But is he doing so to the point of misleading the public in general, and at the risk of jeopardizing the American people in particular?


The near-deaths of three hundred people on Christmas due to an Islamic terrorist plot -- an act of war against America -- did not rouse Obama from golf and relaxation until three days later. When he finally spoke, he disrespected us, as before, by claiming that this was a "lone event" disconnected from anything larger. But most Americans knew what it was, and the subsequent reports and al-Qaeda announcement told us that this was an act of jihad, a part of the larger scheme of radical Islam in its war against America.


After the Fort Hood massacre, the president's first reaction was to intone the silly assertion that we "do not know what prompted this outrage." In fact, everyone immediately intuited what was verified more each day after the carnage: that devotion to the Islamic cause generated Nidal Hasan's decision to kill American infidels. The president was strangely unwilling to tie these murders to Islam or jihad or imams, even knowing that the jihadist yelled "Allah aqbar" as he mowed down innocent Americans.


In all these matters, Mr. Obama's first concern seems to protect things Islamic rather than name and fight the Islamism intent on destroying us. This attitude predates his presidency, and it is one of the animating and personal goals of his worldview. Even before becoming senator of Illinois, he tells us in The Audacity of Hope (pp.261) of his earlier decision: "I will stand with them [Muslims] should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." For Barack Obama, the recognition that this is not simply generic "extremism," as he likes to call it, but specific to Islam and carried out by devout young Muslim men borders on the "ugly direction" against which he promised to stand. But by so doing, Mr.Obama is misleading the country and standing in the way of the measures needed to protect the American people and win the war on terror.


What we get from the president after each incident is not a tough, impassioned call to wipe out jihadists, but the warning that we "should not rush to judgment" or draw any conclusions regarding Islam or Muslims. The more Islamic terrorism, the more warnings we receive from him not to mischaracterize Islam. But how can the American public be accused of "rushing" to judgment when this has been happening before our eyes for thirty years already? After decades of these incidents -- and they are coming quicker now -- Obama expects us to participate in his cover-up for Islam by immediately agreeing that these attackers are either "alone," or "misfits," or "crazy." They are not crazy, but devoted to a cause; not misfits, but fit into a very large Islamist groupthink; not alone, but part of an ideology, most often coordinated by Islamists and clerics higher up. These are agents of Islamism on the same level as the German agents of Nazism who tried to do damage within our borders during WWII. At least back then, the safety of the home-front was more important to our leaders than protecting "feelings."


Until President Obama acknowledges the Islamic context behind these acts of worldwide jihad, we Americans remain at great risk. One cannot vanquish what he does not believe is a culprit. And thus, the most likely candidates setting out to kill us -- Islamic young and mostly single men under 40 -- are not routinely checked, nor are the mosques where many of these plans are hatched and coordinated. Obama and his people are elevating and sanctifying the doctrine of "no profiling" as if it were a fundamental principle of humankind more important than life itself. A society that suspends analytical and rational judgment in favor of a politically correct fantasy is on the road to unscientific darkness and eventual suicide. One hopes that Mr. Obama is guided by foolishness only and nothing more.


Barack Obama's failure to tell the truth about Islamism goes beyond the routine excuse-making of the politically correct ideology that has negatively infected our country. Mr. Obama's preoccupation here is personal. Though not a practicing Muslim, nor a visibly practicing Christian, in office, he has a cultural and ethnic fidelity to Islam that skews common sense and is resulting in harm to our nation. After all, Islam is a culture in which Obama was raised. It represents to him what Americanism and the Judeo-Christian ethos represent to us who were raised in them. Obama grew up in Islamic Indonesia from age 6 to 12 -- formative years, the years in which the subconscious is molded --and he seems to have liked it very much.


"One of the prettiest sounds on Earth," as Obama told The New York Times in March of 2007, "is the Moslem call to prayer." Such warmth of identification is to be expected concerning those things that supply a childhood. As a youngster, Obama was identified as a Muslim, and he spent two hours a day in elementary school studying Islam. He seems unwilling to move beyond his youthful, rose-colored view of a more-secular Islam to today's facts. He remains fixed in his adoration, as demonstrated during his Cairo tour, when he referred to the Quran as the "Holy Quran." He never waxes that way about our Constitution, for that was not his mother's milk. The dozens of citations in the Quran allowing murder and mayhem are to Obama not organic, whereas the allowance in our Constitution for the now-defunct system of slavery sours him on its entirety. Yet for Obama, the Quran is not stigmatized, even with its numerous references and validations of slavery and its continuance of slavery even today by those who cite its authority.


In another address, Obama spoke not of Islam as a religion, but The Islam, The Path, as would someone who sees in it something transcendent. Never has he waxed reverent about America's accomplishments as he has about Islam's contributions to the world or his concoction of Islam's enormous contribution to the development of the United States.


The utter lack of pain and passion in Obama's non-emotional responses to both the Fort Hood massacre and the Christmas scare was striking. He spoke of it as he would a highway bill. I'm sure he is not happy, yet it doesn't seem to be personal. Contrast this with how he reacted and condemned the Cambridge police at Harvard regarding Professor Gates. He appeared to be affected -- because he was. And yet, Professor Gates was not terrorized as were the passengers aboard the Delta flight, who thought they would soon die.


All this rhetoric about not "profiling" (which is simply the use of rational judgment) and about not blaming Islam may sound "enlightened," but for Obama, it constitutes verbal weapons in defense of Islam. His war is not for victory over jihadism, but to defend the honor of Islam under today's difficult circumstances. For him, it is a balancing act between the Islam he loves and the duties imposed on him by the presidency.


It is hard to shed the teachings, culture, and religious life of one's youth. And the Islamic world is Obama's world. Much of his ethnicity and the people that are natural to him derive from it. Obama cannot conceive of a clash of civilizations where the one intent on destroying the civilization he's supposed to protect is Islam, his Islam. Obama will not allow sensible military rules of engagement that give maximum and routine protection for our soldiers if by so doing, some Afghan Muslims will lose their lives. He seems to identify with those people as much as he does our young Americans. He does not allow the necessary profiling of young, single Islamic men because he thinks of how that would make some of his own family members feel, as well as how the young Barack Obama would have felt. Those feelings are understandable for Barack Obama, private citizen, but not for a president of the United States.


Today's global mayhem and chaos is not from Basque terrorism. We Americans tolerate intrusive measures at airport check-ins not out of fear of another Timothy McVeigh or white neo-Nazis, as the ACLU wants us to believe. That's a deliberate obfuscation -- one that the president is endorsing -- and such obfuscation and denial invite danger. The jihadist relishes striking on Christmas specifically, since it is the goal of jihad to profane and degrade Christian and Jewish sacred time and sacred objects. Islam sees this as a contest between religions. Had we been allowed to acknowledge the Islamic content behind current terrorism, we would have been on especially high alert on Christmas Day.


Last November, we elected our first president with Islamic affinities and familial ties. The problem is that today's clash is with Islam. We need a president whose first loyalty and cultural empathy is to and with Americans. We don't have that in President Obama. He cannot forever dally and hide behind new "commissions" that have nothing new to tell us regarding what must be done. Obama must soon choose between his emotional need to protect Islam and his presidential requirement to protect the American people. Unfortunately for him, the two are not compatible.

[rastaman]

Like i said congrats on (one post) ROFL!

Your're welcome "F*@k Head. Thanks for voting for GW Bush......you done your Nazi-Facist Conservative Party Proud.....But you let down our country and our democracy.

Have a nice day "Brown Shirt"! :clown:

[Bronx33]

Your're welcome "F*@k Head. Thanks for voting for GW Bush......you done your Nazi-Facist Conservative Party Proud.....But you let down our country and our democracy.

Have a nice day "Brown Shirt"! :clown:

Iam a nazi now Hilarious! Damn dude iam real sorry your hope and change turned into crap and lies don't blame me for this cluster ****.

[rastaman]

By Frank Schaeffer.

Dear Republicans: I used to be one of you. In fact you'd likely have no "Tea Bag" movement if it hadn't been for my dad and me, and many others who, back in the 1970s and 80s, instigated the rise of the Religious Right. Dad and I were leaders of that movement. Then, after 1985, I got out, quit, left. But I hadn't given up on the Republican Party altogether. As late as 2000 I worked to get McCain elected in the primaries instead of W Bush. (Later, as a "thank you", McCain wrote a long and wonderful endorsement of one of my books about the military family.) When I saw the lies told about McCain --- and others --- by the Bush people and my old buddies on the Religious Right I finally quit.

These days I'm an Obama supporter. I'm also horribly aware that what we did, in bringing the Republican Party together with the Religious Right, is the root of one of the great American tragedies: the takeover of the Republican Party by very sick, simple and religiously deluded fundamentalists. And now you are out of ideas to the extent that all Republicans stand for is, well, nothing but obstruction.

What you've been doing in the Senate to stall health care reform is just too sad for words. And I take it personally. Who should I send my rising impossible-to-pay health insurance premiums to? Dick Armey?...

To the Republican jokesters in the Senate spending hours reading amendments out loud while trying to quash my health care by stalling, I add my voice to Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) who said from the floor of the Senate: "We have two wars, global warming, we have a twelve trillion national debt and the best the Republicans can do is try to bring the United States Government to a halt!"

After that stalling nonsense you Republicans turned to a "Prayer cast" to pray the health care reform to a halt. And, in that, we saw the absurdity of the convergence of all that is wrong with you. You are in bed with religious flakes from C-Street ("The Family") to the whole evangelical, amorally bankrupt, and hate-driven anti-gay movement and its whole cast of "characters". You are the people who like torture to be legal but not health care that's affordable. So to stall action in the Senate you brought in a bunch of right wing flake preachers who'd pray for defeat of health care for the poor!

Well, it's time to call it truthfully: the Republican Party is the enemy of America. You aren't just another party; you are an insurrection against law, living and love. You trade in hate and fear and religious mumbo-jumbo. You trade in "death panel" lies. You do all this instead of the job you were elected to do, which is govern.

You are doing to our whole country what Bush did to New Orleans after Katrina: looking the other way and playing politics while the rest of us go down.

You Republicans are the ones who --- to use your very own Sarah Palin's words --- are not the "real Americans." You are members of a lie-based evangelical paranoid cult.

Enough! If prayer is what you call for now, here's my prayer: May the Republican Party with its lies, hate, stagnation and obstructionism be swept away by our first black President's success against all odds!

[rastaman]

Iam a nazi now Hilarious! Damn dude iam real sorry your hope and change turned into crap and lies don't blame me for this cluster ****.

Fair Weather Bronx....you're just the average run of the mill instigator who straddles the fence with your special forces covert politics.LOL

[Bronx33]

Hook me up with your dealer he obviously has better stuff than my dealer.

[rastaman]

Hook me up with your dealer he obviously has better stuff than my dealer.

My dealer is non other than GW Bush! :wiggle:

[Bronx33]

President Obama tried to look a little more presidential by playing a little fast and loose with the truth. And the Allied Pilots Association called him on it.

Here’s what the President said in his comments about the would-be Christmas airline bomber:

First, I directed that we take immediate steps to ensure the safety of the traveling public. We made sure that all flights still in the air were secure and could land safely. We immediately enhanced screening and security procedures for all flights, domestic and international. We added federal air marshals to flights entering and leaving the United States. And we’re working closely in this country, federal, state and local law enforcement, with our international partners.

Not so fast there, buckeroo. Turns out the Allied Pilots Association thinks the president is taking off on, shall we say, flights of fancy. They disputed his comments in an official statement:

The Allied Pilots Association, which represents American Airlines pilots, says most airborne flight crews weren’t notified of the Christmas Day terrorist attack on a Northwest Airlines A330. The group is calling for changes after what it describes as “communications failures” left the majority of airborne flight crews in the dark about the attempted bombing. In a message to members, the APA’s security committee said the Transportation Security Administration specifically told airlines to notify only the crews of airborne westbound trans-Atlantic flights of the attack on the Northwest flight on approach to Detroit. “The TSA should have mandated that information about this security event be passed on to all airborne flights,” says the message, which was passed to AVweb by a reader. The note says American complied with the directive but the APA says the airline should have told all of its in-flight crews of the incident “so that all of our captains would have been aware of the threat and could have made the proper adjustments to their in-flight security procedures.” The APA says it noted other communications failures in the chain of events.

The APA claims the initial notification of the incident came from the FAA and that the first direct contact between the airline and the TSA was about 12 hours after Umar Farouk Abdulmatallab allegedly injected an ignition substance into a package of PETN explosive sewn into his underwear. “Clearly, we have seen a large-scale communications breakdown concerning this terrorist event,” the note says. The APA says it has contacted the House Committee on Homeland Security with an eye toward making it policy that all airborne flight crews be notified immediately when there are serious security threats (Level 3 or Level 4). “It is essential in times like these that we act swiftly to ensure our crews are prepared to thwart any terrorist attack,” the association said.

Bottom line: The TSA only notified flights westbound for the United States, but no flights originating in the Unites States nor elsewhere.

In effect, it left hundreds of pilots flying blind. Because, apparently Janet Napolitano has already forgotten that homegrown terrorists like the Fort Hood shooter are out there.

Consider it more evidence that “the system worked.”

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Quotes

"We had no domestic attacks under Bush; we've had one under Obama."

- Rudy Giuliani, pretending 9-11 never happened Link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/08/rudy-giuliani-we-had-no-d_n_416033.html)

But Rudy: Since 2001 every sentence out of your mouth has been about 9-11.
Now you're pretending that didn't happen when Bush was president? Hilarious!

http://www.bartcop.com/gop-politics-of-terror.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Rove Backs Off His Criticism Of Counterterrorism Center, Perhaps Remembering Chief Is A Bush Holdover (http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/07/rove-leiter/)

[peacepipe]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/11/obama-praised-by-57-perce_n_419246.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

57% approval for handling of security scare.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_419246.html

Ooops! :giggle:

Another conservatard FAIL.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Quotes

"Uultimately, the buck stops with me. And when the system fails, it is my responsibility."

- Obama, acting like a man Link (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-strengthening-intelligence-and-aviation-security)

"Hmm. I wish you had given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it. Ahhh... I'm sure historians will look back and say gosh we could have done it better this way or that way. Ahhh. You know I just, ahhh, I'm sure something will pop into my head here...with all the pressure of trying to
come up with an answer but it hadn't yet...."

- Bush in 2004 Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haQzdW7hg4A&feature=player_embedded)

[Bronx33]

So some time has past has your opinion on obama changed, sadly LA he pointed his fingers a the republicans again to avoid responsibility in fact hes assumed no responsibility for anything he touched.

[Bronx33]

Ooops! :giggle:

Another conservatard FAIL.


Hes in the 40% area ( today) but maybe he can kill osama bin ladan again for some brownie points from the real idiot voting base which is his bread and butter the bad news is they are pissed that they got lie to back in 08.