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Broncoman13
12-25-2009, 05:07 PM
Eddie will

not play vs the Iggles.

Neck and hand injuries

lex
12-25-2009, 05:08 PM
He's still on the team?

Requiem
12-25-2009, 05:09 PM
Meanwhile DeSean Jackson keeps kickin' ass. Told ya so.

Florida_Bronco
12-25-2009, 05:15 PM
Well, that sucks.

Baba Booey
12-25-2009, 05:21 PM
****

rastaman
12-25-2009, 05:23 PM
Well, that sucks.

Hell....put Hillis in the slot?8')

DarkHorse
12-25-2009, 05:54 PM
Eddie who?

What is a Hillis?


Don't think we lose much here, since Brandon Marshall is the 1 and only receiver that has been introduced to our QB.

HAT
12-25-2009, 06:07 PM
He's still on the team?

Sophomore slumps sure do suck.

go_broncos
12-25-2009, 06:08 PM
No issues..As we don't involve Eddie Royal and TE's much in the passing game.
The only game i see Eddie and Tony Scheffler both were involved is against SD.

It is really unfortunate that MCD doesn't involve TE's much in the passing game.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-25-2009, 06:11 PM
No issues..As we don't involve Eddie Royal and TE's much in the passing game.
The only game i see Eddie and Tony Scheffler both were involved is against SD.

It is really unfortunate that MCD doesn't involve TE's much in the passing game.

I get the impression you think that coaches actually control the players as if they're playing madden.

UberBroncoMan
12-25-2009, 06:11 PM
Yeah... this would have sucked last year. This year where he's been nonexistent not so much.

Hell... Brandon Stokely hardly even plays a down anymore and he has more production.

snowspot66
12-25-2009, 06:18 PM
Meanwhile DeSean Jackson keeps kickin' ass. Told ya so.

It helps being essentially the teams #1.

He also only has maybe 20 more receptions. Difference is he can't run routes like Eddie so they just tell him to run deep. And he does. Two different players.

go_broncos
12-25-2009, 06:20 PM
I get the impression you think that coaches actually control the players as if they're playing madden.

Patriots never involve TE's in passing game..
Tony Scheffler is a big target. He creates great mismatches.
But, we never seem to involve him.

I believe Tony and Hillis will be gone next year.

Regarding Royal, we never seems to involve him.So, no big deal.

Atleast we get chance to see other receivers.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-25-2009, 06:32 PM
Eddie will

not play vs the Iggles.

Neck and hand injuries

Stupid McPoopypants! He clearly hates Royal because he's a "Shanahan guy".

FIRE HIM!

DHallblows
12-25-2009, 06:37 PM
Oh no, who's gonna return kickoffs 20 yards from the end zone and fair catch every punt for us now?!

BroncoBuff
12-25-2009, 06:45 PM
I predict a Brandon Stokley sighting.

ant1999e
12-25-2009, 06:48 PM
I get the impression you think that coaches actually control the players as if they're playing madden.
a lot of people on this board have this problem.

HEAV
12-25-2009, 07:07 PM
Jabar Gaffney is expected to be the No. 2 receiver this week with Eddie Royal (neck) sidelined.


I pref Gaffney starting. Eddie has regressed from last year. He can't beat jams and gets man-handle. He's going to be Kick Returner/third/fourth wideout. He's a pro, but just still has a lot to learn about playing NFL wideout.

521 1N5
12-25-2009, 07:09 PM
I get the impression you think that coaches actually control the players as if they're playing madden.

:yep:

Broncomutt
12-25-2009, 07:12 PM
Eddie will

not play vs the Iggles.

Neck and hand injuries

Crap!

Who is the back-up fair catch signaler? :wave:

rastaman
12-25-2009, 07:45 PM
Sophomore slumps sure do suck.

Especially when you an inaccurate QB throwing you the ball.....it really magnifies the sophomore jinx.:sunshine:

Popps
12-25-2009, 07:50 PM
McKinley will see more time, and I'd suspect Stokley will get more involved.

BigPlayShay
12-25-2009, 08:00 PM
No Spencer Larsen either, he has a hamstring injury.

HEAV
12-25-2009, 08:01 PM
Especially when you an inaccurate QB throwing you the ball.....it really magnifies the sophomore jinx.:sunshine:

Orton has completed 62.4% of his passes this year.

Jay Cutler completed 62.3% of his passes in 2008.


But Jay has a cannon so it doesn't matter...:wave:

rastaman
12-25-2009, 08:10 PM
No Spencer Larsen either, he has a hamstring injury.

We don't need Larsen b/c we got Moreno to save the day and our secret weapon C-Buck has guaranteed McD and the fans he can handle whatever the load is thrown at him against his ex-team w/o getting injured. No worry here!:sunshine:

IN MORE-BUCK I TRUST!:sunshine:

chadta
12-25-2009, 08:11 PM
Orton has completed 62.4% of his passes this year.

Jay Cutler completed 62.3% of his passes in 2008.


But Jay has a cannon so it doesn't matter...:wave:



no room for facts in this discussion

lex
12-25-2009, 09:10 PM
Sophomore slumps sure do suck.

...or something else.

bpc
12-25-2009, 09:17 PM
Ha ha. Casino Royal. Just the latest scapegoat for the McD/Orton apologists. He must not be producing because he really isn't that good. Funny what a difference a year makes.

tsiguy96
12-25-2009, 09:19 PM
Ha ha. Casino Royal. Just the latest scapegoat for the McD/Orton apologists. He must not be producing because he really isn't that good. Funny what a difference a year makes.

again, youre an idiot. everyone is an apologist to you. what a ****ing downer you are, do you have friends in real life or do they all hate you too?

youre such an idiot, if a player is haivng a down year (and he is, if he wasnt hed have more receptions, QBs throw to WR who are open and if he was getting open hed get the ball more) its not his fault its orton or Mcds. how do you call yourself a fan if you dont like anyone on the team except those who arent performing?

Rigs11
12-25-2009, 09:22 PM
Orton has completed 62.4% of his passes this year.

Jay Cutler completed 62.3% of his passes in 2008.


But Jay has a cannon so it doesn't matter...:wave:

Ha ha. Too funny. Please post the Ints thrown by them as well.

bpc
12-25-2009, 09:22 PM
Are you blaming Royal like you blamed Dumervil?

Ha ha. More stupidity leaking out of the mouth of Styguy.

lex
12-25-2009, 09:22 PM
again, youre an idiot. everyone is an apologist to you. what a ****ing downer you are, do you have friends in real life or do they all hate you too?

youre such an idiot, if a player is haivng a down year (and he is, if he wasnt hed have more receptions, QBs throw to WR who are open and if he was getting open hed get the ball more) its not his fault its orton or Mcds. how do you call yourself a fan if you dont like anyone on the team except those who arent performing?

Where is the correlation?

tsiguy96
12-25-2009, 09:30 PM
Where is the correlation?

nothing in bronco world is ever, ever good enough for him regardless of how things actually are (not great but pretty damn good), wondering if he hates everthing else too. no one likes debbie downers. no one.

lex
12-25-2009, 09:33 PM
nothing in bronco world is ever, ever good enough for him regardless of how things actually are (not great but pretty damn good), wondering if he hates everthing else too. no one likes debbie downers. no one.

Honesty isnt valued?

tsiguy96
12-25-2009, 09:58 PM
Honesty isnt valued?

theres no honesty in what you morons say, at all. theres honesty in that if royal was getting open more often, hed get the ball more. QBs dont just NOT throw to open receivers, thats not how it works and thats not how these guys became NFL quarterbacks. but then, apparently when you criticize anyone other than orton or mcd, you are a "mcd apologist" when you same doom and gloom morons have been basically been proven wrong and already had to hide in shame once this year.

i swear you guys actually enjoy losing just so you can act this way.

Florida_Bronco
12-25-2009, 10:02 PM
Ha ha. Casino Royal. Just the latest scapegoat for the McD/Orton apologists. He must not be producing because he really isn't that good. Funny what a difference a year makes.

What in the hell are you talking about?

You're starting to border on delusional man.

BlaK-Argentina
12-25-2009, 10:14 PM
theres no honesty in what you morons say, at all. theres honesty in that if royal was getting open more often, hed get the ball more. QBs dont just NOT throw to open receivers, thats not how it works and thats not how these guys became NFL quarterbacks. but then, apparently when you criticize anyone other than orton or mcd, you are a "mcd apologist" when you same doom and gloom morons have been basically been proven wrong and already had to hide in shame once this year.

i swear you guys actually enjoy losing just so you can act this way.

Seriously just stop wasting your time with these guys. I don't even come here that much anymore because all we have left in this board are the doom and gloom crowd of bpc, lex, broncofan7 and rastaman while the fans like us that hope for the best and always root hard are slowly going away.

The stupidity is amazing.

snowspot66
12-25-2009, 10:15 PM
Especially when you an inaccurate QB throwing you the ball.....it really magnifies the sophomore jinx.:sunshine:

Orton has a higher completion % than Cutler did last year.

eddie mac
12-25-2009, 10:16 PM
Ha ha. Casino Royal. Just the latest scapegoat for the McD/Orton apologists. He must not be producing because he really isn't that good. Funny what a difference a year makes.

Just when we thought it was safe to come into a calm and positive environment on Christmas Day of all days.

_Oro_
12-25-2009, 10:23 PM
It's funny some of those same doom and gloom guys are down on xmas in the xmas threads. Ridiculous.

snowspot66
12-25-2009, 10:23 PM
Ha ha. Casino Royal. Just the latest scapegoat for the McD/Orton apologists. He must not be producing because he really isn't that good. Funny what a difference a year makes.

As has been said he must not be getting open enough or he would get more shots. Oh yeah. At the moment we've thrown around 170 fewer pass attempts than last year. By the end of the year that will probably be around 100 to 120 fewer attempts. At a 62.4 completion % that's around 60 to 70 fewer completions.

But hey, if you're a proponent of an approximately 250 play disparity (like we had in 08) in pass to run attempts then by all means keep bashing.

BlaK-Argentina
12-25-2009, 10:25 PM
BTW I love how you're labeled an "apologist" if you support our QB and coach but not if you dream about Jay Cutler and Mike Shanahan every night like some here, even though they have nothing to do with the Broncos anymore. (and in the case of Cutler, I wish he had never been a Bronco) ??? I don't even understand why they keep coming here.

lex
12-25-2009, 10:45 PM
theres no honesty in what you morons say, at all. theres honesty in that if royal was getting open more often, hed get the ball more. QBs dont just NOT throw to open receivers, thats not how it works and thats not how these guys became NFL quarterbacks. but then, apparently when you criticize anyone other than orton or mcd, you are a "mcd apologist" when you same doom and gloom morons have been basically been proven wrong and already had to hide in shame once this year.

i swear you guys actually enjoy losing just so you can act this way.

Well, youre wrong. I dont think people are enjoying the possibility of almost missing the playoffs after starting 6-0...I also dont think people enjoy the obvious struggles on offense that seems to get less out of more. Its funny how you suddenly think Royal can no longer get open. Did he come into the offseason out of shape? I seem to remember McDaniels saying that he loved Eddie Royal in TC. Was it that Royal suddenly forgot how to get open, especially with Marshall on the other side...? LOL

Popps
12-25-2009, 10:51 PM
Just when we thought it was safe to come into a calm and positive environment on Christmas Day of all days.

It's safe, brother. People around here are overwhelmingly optimistic about this team, as the recent poll showed. There are a few bitter, squeaky wheels that want to bring things down... but you're always going to have malcontents.

Enjoy the rest of the season, man. I know I will.

Ratboy
12-25-2009, 11:25 PM
Orton has completed 62.4% of his passes this year.

Jay Cutler completed 62.3% of his passes in 2008.


But Jay has a cannon so it doesn't matter...:wave:

Jay Cutler also threw it more than 5 yards down field.

Why even compare? We both know Orton sucks major dick at his job.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-25-2009, 11:52 PM
Jay Cutler also threw it more than 5 yards down field.

Why even compare? We both know Orton sucks major dick at his job.

And is Cutler succeeding at his?

snowspot66
12-26-2009, 12:18 AM
Jay Cutler also threw it more than 5 yards down field.

Why even compare? We both know Orton sucks major dick at his job.

Orton can throw it down field too. Denying that just shows your bias.

If you look at Orton's stats they have improved every year he's played. Cutler's started falling after the 07 season. Not the 08 season. The 07 season was his peak for the majority of his % stats. For some reason the next year with the same ****ty defense but improved line and receiver play he statistically regressed or stagnated.

Right now Orton is equaling or nearly equal to Cutlers averages (while he was here). Except in the turnovers of course. QB is not this teams problem.

DBroncos4life
12-26-2009, 01:38 AM
theres no honesty in what you morons say, at all. theres honesty in that if royal was getting open more often, hed get the ball more. QBs dont just NOT throw to open receivers, thats not how it works and thats not how these guys became NFL quarterbacks. but then, apparently when you criticize anyone other than orton or mcd, you are a "mcd apologist" when you same doom and gloom morons have been basically been proven wrong and already had to hide in shame once this year.

i swear you guys actually enjoy losing just so you can act this way.

It sucks that Royal could only run routes to get open last year......

Popps
12-26-2009, 01:53 AM
It's funny some of those same doom and gloom guys are down on xmas in the xmas threads. Ridiculous.

What a blind homer you are. Don't you understand that McDaniels destroyed Christmas?

Ratboy
12-26-2009, 02:03 AM
Orton can throw it down field too. Denying that just shows your bias.

If you look at Orton's stats they have improved every year he's played. Cutler's started falling after the 07 season. Not the 08 season. The 07 season was his peak for the majority of his % stats. For some reason the next year with the same ****ty defense but improved line and receiver play he statistically regressed or stagnated.

Right now Orton is equaling or nearly equal to Cutlers averages (while he was here). Except in the turnovers of course. QB is not this teams problem.

I have zero desire talking about Cutler.

and I disagree, QB is part of the team's problem. Although Orton would suffice if we actually had a dominate run game, hell.. look at Vince Young.

Quoydogs
12-26-2009, 03:36 AM
Orton has a higher completion % than Cutler did last year.

Not standing up for the cry baby jay but Orton better have better stats cause he only passes the ball 5 yards. Just saying. Royal need to pick it the hell up though.

Caveat Lector
12-26-2009, 04:01 AM
With Eddie out, does this mean Brandon Lloyd will be active? Heck, the dude has to earn his money some way other than mixing Gatorade...

elsid13
12-26-2009, 06:21 AM
In regards to Royal lack of performance. Royal is playing 2nd outside WR in this base 3 wide look. The WR that usually runs the deep routes in this system.

Those routes are what Gaffney ran in NE last season, and are designed to pull the over the top coverage away from the slot and #1 WR. If you look at Royal's number (37 catches 345 yrd) they are very similar to what Gaffney did in NE last season (38 catches 468). The low completion is because of Orton inaccuracy on deep routes.

The question please should be asking is why no production from slot WR in this offense?

lex
12-26-2009, 07:59 AM
In regards to Royal lack of performance. Royal is playing 2nd outside WR in this base 3 wide look. The WR that usually runs the deep routes in this system.

Those routes are what Gaffney ran in NE last season, and are designed to pull the over the top coverage away from the slot and #1 WR. If you look at Royal's number (37 catches 345 yrd) they are very similar to what Gaffney did in NE last season (38 catches 468). The low completion is because of Orton inaccuracy on deep routes.

The question please should be asking is why no production from slot WR in this offense?

And if so, it becomes a question whether this is best use of Royal.

BTW, if you want a theory on why Gaffney isnt getting more action, it could be how over reliant Orton is on presnap reads and also how much he struggles with scanning the field and general pocket presence. And because he's overreliant on pre snap looks, as the season progresses, this becomes more difficult because of the cat and mouse stuff that defensive coordinators are doing based on seeing film on Orton. If you can confuse him on pre snap reads, it forces him to rely on something that is a relative weakness.

Again, Ill go back to the commentary by Collinsworth in the Sainst-Bears game last year where it was pointed out that scanning the field is a major difference between Orton and Brees.

tsiguy96
12-26-2009, 08:34 AM
It sucks that Royal could only run routes to get open last year......

it sucks that orton must be the only QB in the league who doesnt throw to open WR huh?

DBroncos4life
12-26-2009, 08:47 AM
it sucks that orton must be the only QB in the league who doesnt throw to open WR huh?

So everyone of Marshall's catches he was wide open then?

rastaman
12-26-2009, 09:24 AM
So everyone of Marshall's catches he was wide open then?

Bmarsh has had to make many amazing circus catches just to compensate for Orton's inaccurate passes. Some of the those catches Brandon has made are border career ending catches. Point is, Orton is subjecting Brandon to season/career ending injuries due to his lousy inaccurate passes.

A QB should want to protect his receivers as much as possible from vicious hits by ensuring their passes are accurate and with enough zip so the receivers can protect themselves from the oncoming hit.

tsiguy96
12-26-2009, 09:29 AM
So everyone of Marshall's catches he was wide open then?

when you are under pressure or need something to happen, you throw it to your star WR. not an undersized speed runner, who i like as much as the next guy, but if he was getting open hed get the ball more, its that simple.

jhns
12-26-2009, 09:53 AM
I like that if you say Orton sucks, you are a downer. Then these same people say everyone else sucks, who have proven they are very good, and these guys are the positive fans......

Royal didn't suddenly forget how to run a route. He didn't suddenly forget how to beat a jam, which is something he was said to be the best in his class at. He didn't forget how to catch a ball. The line did not forget how to pass block either. They have always had the trouble run blocking in short yardage or against big teams and that trouble is amplified by the switch to a run scheme they aren't made for. The pass blocking is the same and suddenly everyone sucks. Even Clady has regressed. Simple fact is, Orton does not elevate the play of those around him. His limited abitlity actually makes it harder on those around him and that is why you see a regression from everyone on the team other than Marshall. I find it funny how much people act like Orton is the bright spot of the team....

lex
12-26-2009, 10:01 AM
when you are under pressure or need something to happen, you throw it to your star WR. not an undersized speed runner, who i like as much as the next guy, but if he was getting open hed get the ball more, its that simple.

So basically, if you say "I appreciate what Shanahan did, but.." or "I like Royal as much as the next guy, but.." before you proceed to rip them, then you maintain your positive posture. But if you dispense with such formalities before being critical, then you are a downer? OK, as usual, that makes a lot of sense.

tsiguy96
12-26-2009, 10:13 AM
So basically, if you say "I appreciate what Shanahan did, but.." or "I like Royal as much as the next guy, but.." before you proceed to rip them, then you maintain your positive posture. But if you dispense with such formalities before being critical, then you are a downer? OK, as usual, that makes a lot of sense.

ripping them and true criticisms are different things, but i wouldnt expect you to understand that.

broncofan7
12-26-2009, 10:17 AM
Eddie will

not play vs the Iggles.

Neck and hand injuries

Eddie fears being compared with DeSean Jackson........the injuries are a cover--the only thing injured is his pride. Eddie Royal is not 1/5th the wr that DeSean Jackson is. even with our noodle armed current QB--he would stretch the field with his speed--speed that Eddie Royal does not posses. But keep those orange colored glasses on peeps........

lex
12-26-2009, 10:29 AM
ripping them and true criticisms are different things, but i wouldnt expect you to understand that.

Ha. Double talk.

TonyR
12-26-2009, 10:35 AM
Eddie fears being compared with DeSean Jackson........the injuries are a cover--..

Although I agree that DeSean is better, please tell me you're not serious with this nonsense.

lex
12-26-2009, 10:40 AM
Although I agree that DeSean is better, please tell me you're not serious with this nonsense.

Why does he need to tell you that? Are you not emotionally equipped to deal with the possibility that he might be serious?

broncofan7
12-26-2009, 10:45 AM
Although I agree that DeSean is better, please tell me you're not serious with this nonsense.

LOL....of course I am not......but it's to honor an old thread of mine.....

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=70396&highlight=desean+jackson

HEAV
12-26-2009, 10:59 AM
Jay Cutler also threw it more than 5 yards down field.

Why even compare? We both know Orton sucks major dick at his job.

OK boys & girls heres another lesson in being a dummy. Talking out your ass without any clear knowledge...

In 2008 Jay (BIG ARM) Cutler averaged 7.3 yards per pass attempt.

Kyle Orton in 2009....wait for it....wait for it..... 7.2 yards per pass attempt.


Also in 2009 Jay(Big Arm) Cutler yards per attempt....you all will love this...6.4.

broncofan7
12-26-2009, 11:03 AM
OK boys & girls heres another lesson in being a dummy. Talking out your ass without any clear knowledge...

In 2008 Jay (BIG ARM) Cutler averaged 7.3 yards per pass attempt.

Kyle Orton in 2009....wait for it....wait for it..... 7.2 yards per pass attempt.


Also in 2009 Jay(Big Arm) Cutler yards per attempt....you all will love this...6.4.

Those stats TAKES YAC INTO CONSIDERATION, NO? and if so--that just speaks more highly of Denver's receivers....

HEAV
12-26-2009, 11:21 AM
Eddie needed/needs the ball in his hands to have succes. He's got speed and moves, but his lack of size works against him when Corners press him.

Most of his draft profiles stated he was an inconsistent receiver. Great speed and vertical threat. But struggled with physical jams and got frustrated when his speed wasn't good enough to get open.

Last year (2008) Royal really only had 2 good games Raiders (Marshall suspen) and then the Browns game. He had good games verse the Cheifs (1st game) and the Jets. But his highest catch game (11 grabs) came in a blowout loss to the Chargers.

Again what we have here is a fanbase over hype'n a player to a point that he never was at nor never will be.

DBroncos4life
12-26-2009, 11:22 AM
when you are under pressure or need something to happen, you throw it to your star WR. not an undersized speed runner, who i like as much as the next guy, but if he was getting open hed get the ball more, its that simple.

Eddie Royal was the best route runner on our team last year. Can you break down why all of the sudden he is unable to run a route to get open?

DBroncos4life
12-26-2009, 11:30 AM
Eddie needed/needs the ball in his hands to have succes. He's got speed and moves, but his lack of size works against him when Corners press him.

Most of his draft profiles stated he was an inconsistent receiver. Great speed and vertical threat. But struggled with physical jams and got frustrated when his speed wasn't good enough to get open.

Last year (2008) Royal really only had 2 good games Raiders (Marshall suspen) and then the Browns game. He had good games verse the Cheifs (1st game) and the Jets. But his highest catch game (11 grabs) came in a blowout loss to the Chargers.

Again what we have here is a fanbase over hype'n a player to a point that he never was at nor never will be.
I love the fact that you say he only had two good games then go on to list four games that he played well in. Royal had atleast 5 catches in 11 games last year. That is what you want from a number two WR playing next to a top talent like Marshall. This year Royal has caught 5 or more passes two times. I think it has little to do with us over-hyping him.

DBroncos4life
12-26-2009, 11:35 AM
People should really check out Eddie Royal's stats after the halfway point last year (Game 9 onward)... His slump started last year.

7,6,4,2,5,6,6,5,11 I wish he would fall into another slump.

bombquixote
12-26-2009, 11:36 AM
Seriously just stop wasting your time with these guys. I don't even come here that much anymore because all we have left in this board are the doom and gloom crowd of bpc, lex, broncofan7 and rastaman while the fans like us that hope for the best and always root hard are slowly going away.

The stupidity is amazing.

Your avatar gives me hope.

HEAV
12-26-2009, 11:36 AM
Eddie Royal was the best route runner on our team last year. Can you break down why all of the sudden he is unable to run a route to get open?

He's being jammed/grabbed/out muscled by defenders. Then in other cases he's being used to draw the safety away from the middle by running deep routes to clear the middle for Marshall and others.

HEAV
12-26-2009, 11:41 AM
I love the fact that you say he only had two good games then go on to list four games that he played well in. Royal had atleast 5 catches in 11 games last year. That is what you want from a number two WR playing next to a top talent like Marshall. This year Royal has caught 5 or more passes two times. I think it has little to do with us over-hyping him.

I meant two great games, my error there, and 2 good games.

Last years passing numbers where over inflated by:

A. Lack of a running game.

B. Having to out score teams because the defense was a sieve.


Yes you and the others have over hyped Royal, just as many over hyped Cutler.

HEAV
12-26-2009, 11:42 AM
7,6,4,2,5,6,6,5,11 I wish he would fall into another slump.

Show/look at the yards and TDs... Also that 11 catch gaem came in a blowout loss to the Chargers.

DBroncos4life
12-26-2009, 12:14 PM
Show/look at the yards and TDs... Also that 11 catch gaem came in a blowout loss to the Chargers.

588 yards and three TD's. He finished with 980 yards and five TD's. So his slump that started at week 9 gave him more then half his receiving yards and half his TD's for the year. So again I hope he falls into one of those slumps again.

DBroncos4life
12-26-2009, 12:18 PM
I meant two great games, my error there, and 2 good games.

Last years passing numbers where over inflated by:

A. Lack of a running game.

B. Having to out score teams because the defense was a sieve.


Yes you and the others have over hyped Royal, just as many over hyped Cutler.

I haven't over hyped Royal. I laughed at the posters that thought he was better or more important to the team then Marshall. In the right system Royal is productive. His stats from last year prove it. He is a very good number 2 WR.

lex
12-26-2009, 12:20 PM
OK boys & girls heres another lesson in being a dummy. Talking out your ass without any clear knowledge...





588 yards and three TD's. He finished with 980 yards and five TD's. So his slump that started at week 9 gave him more then half his receiving yards and half his TD's for the year. So again I hope he falls into one of those slumps again.

?

ouch!

HEAV
12-26-2009, 12:34 PM
588 yards and three TD's. He finished with 980 yards and five TD's. So his slump that started at week 9 gave him more then half his receiving yards and half his TD's for the year. So again I hope he falls into one of those slumps again.

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7876/captureku.jpg

lex
12-26-2009, 12:35 PM
Your stuff is missing weeks 6 and 14. LOL

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7876/captureku.jpg

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/2008.htm

OK boys & girls heres another lesson in being a dummy. Talking out your ass without any clear knowledge...

Requiem
12-26-2009, 12:38 PM
Eddie hasn't gotten nearly as many targets as he did last year. I think he's about 30-40 less than what he ended up with last season. However, Orton has been absolutely terrible with errant throws. The Washington Post has some nice stats in that regard. I'll try and bring them up. No doubt Eddie's lack of success comes from some Orton's inabilities as a QB. I still think he has had a decent year, especially given his role in the return game.

Still would take DeSean Jackson 8 days out of the week over Eddie though. He does all sorts of work.

HEAV
12-26-2009, 12:48 PM
Your stuff is missing weeks 6 and 14. LOL



http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/2008.htm

You can't count idiot...

Week 14 is there... Week 6 is empty becuase he didn't catch a pass moron!


It's funny watching Lex fail everyday:welcome:

lex
12-26-2009, 12:52 PM
You can't count idiot...

Week 14 is there... Week 6 is empty becuase he didn't catch a pass moron!


It's funny watching Lex fail everyday:welcome:

In case you couldnt tell, Miami was actually week 9 and Cleveland was week 10. Whatever it is youre doing is wrong. The jokes on you.

OK boys & girls heres another lesson in being a dummy. Talking out your ass without any clear knowledge...

HEAV
12-26-2009, 12:55 PM
In case you couldnt tell, Miami was actually week 9 and Cleveland was week 10. Whatever it is youre doing is wrong. The jokes on you.

So the site has the weeks flipped? It's still the correct stats. It still shows all his game logs and still screams that you are a moron that only succeeds at failing!

lex
12-26-2009, 12:57 PM
So the site has the weeks flipped? It's still the correct stats. It still shows all his game logs and still screams that you are a moron that only succeeds at failing!

No ****head, your error affects what you include considering that you said from week 9 on. It helps if youd actually know when and and against whom it started. Assclown.



...but regardless, even if you want to only include the last 8 games, thats still 519 yards which is still more than half of his total output on the year.

Oh, but I want to hear more about this failing considering this is exploding in your face.

OK boys & girls heres another lesson in being a dummy. Talking out your ass without any clear knowledge...

Bronx33
12-26-2009, 12:59 PM
Are we hatin on taco eddie?

HEAV
12-26-2009, 01:03 PM
No ****head, your error affects what you include considering that you said from week 9 on. It helps if youd actually know when and and against whom it started. Assclown.

Originally Posted by outdoor_miner
People should really check out Eddie Royal's stats after the halfway point last year (Game 9 onward)... His slump started last year.


Wrong poster dipS*it! Hilarious!

You fail at fail'n!

You need to read, not just skim posts and start you Lex'n...

DBroncos4life
12-26-2009, 01:06 PM
So the site has the weeks flipped? It's still the correct stats. It still shows all his game logs and still screams that you are a moron that only succeeds at failing!

The site has every game a week off after the Tampa Bay game. He didn't play week six against the Jags. Week seven was the Pats game. From week nine when that poster claimed Royal's slump started, Royal had 540 yards 3 TD's and 52 catches. Royal failed to catch five or more passes just twice in the finial nine games.

lex
12-26-2009, 01:16 PM
Originally Posted by outdoor_miner
People should really check out Eddie Royal's stats after the halfway point last year (Game 9 onward)... His slump started last year.


Wrong poster dipS*it! Hilarious!

You fail at fail'n!

You need to read, not just skim posts and start you Lex'n...



http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2688544&postcount=80

...maybe you were replying to the wrong post?

HEAV
12-26-2009, 01:23 PM
The site has every game a week off after the Tampa Bay game. He didn't play week six against the Jags. Week seven was the Pats game. From week nine when that poster claimed Royal's slump started, Royal had 540 yards 3 TD's and 52 catches. Royal failed to catch five or more passes just twice in the finial nine games.

Fine then here is the NFL Official game logs.

http://www.nfl.com/players/eddieroyal/gamelogs?id=ROY461040&season=2008

AGAIN Royal had one great catch game (Chargers) in a blowout loss at the end of the season.

Also (Again) last season this was a pass happy offense due to Running back injuries and a poor,poor defense that gave up just as many points as the offense scored.

Fact still remain that Eddie is being used as a deep route decoy and is getting jamed/pressed more this year than last.

Eddie is at best a KR/third wideout at this stage of his game. Can he get better? Sure, will he?

HEAV
12-26-2009, 01:26 PM
What also should be taken in to account is that the RB catches have gone up this year as opposed to last year. This offense use's the RB more as recievers.

tsiguy96
12-26-2009, 01:34 PM
What also should be taken in to account is that the RB catches have gone up this year as opposed to last year. This offense use's the RB more as recievers.

just give up, its because mcd and orton are idiots and eddie is flawless, didnt you know?

DBroncos4life
12-26-2009, 01:40 PM
Fine then here is the NFL Official game logs.

http://www.nfl.com/players/eddieroyal/gamelogs?id=ROY461040&season=2008

AGAIN Royal had one great catch game (Chargers) in a blowout loss at the end of the season.

Also (Again) last season this was a pass happy offense due to Running back injuries and a poor,poor defense that gave up just as many points as the offense scored.

Fact still remain that Eddie is being used as a deep route decoy and is getting jamed/pressed more this year than last.

Eddie is at best a KR/third wideout at this stage of his game. Can he get better? Sure, will he?
We did have injuries to 7 RB's but we still finished with 1800 yards rushing. This years Broncos team will finish about the same as last years with less rushing TD's. Royal isn't the number one targeted WR on this years team or last years team. So the fact that he only had one good catch total game as you keep claiming is on par with the number two WR on the team. Marshall from week nine on had 55 catches, 667 yards, and 3 TDs. That is on par with Royal.

Our two TE's had 72 catches, 1034 yards, and 7 TD's last year. This year they are at 52, 646, and 5. Production is down from every phase of the passing game but Marshall.

tsiguy96
12-26-2009, 01:43 PM
We did have injuries to 7 RB's but we still finished with 1800 yards rushing. This years Broncos team will finish about the same as last years with less rushing TD's. Royal isn't the number one targeted WR on this years team or last years team. So the fact that he only had one good catch total game as you keep claiming is on par with the number two WR on the team. Marshall from week nine on had 55 catches, 667 yards, and 3 TDs. That is on par with Royal.

Our two TE's had 72 catches, 1034 yards, and 7 TD's last year. This year they are at 52, 646, and 5. Production is down from every phase of the passing game but Marshall.

and so is the number of throws cool guy, of course production will go down for aslmot everyone if you arent throwing near as much. you dont need to throw for 4500 yards to be successful, in fact that generally means you arent winning because you cant run or are always playing from behind (except in certain cases)

DBroncos4life
12-26-2009, 01:58 PM
and so is the number of throws cool guy, of course production will go down for aslmot everyone if you arent throwing near as much. you dont need to throw for 4500 yards to be successful, in fact that generally means you arent winning because you cant run or are always playing from behind (except in certain cases)

I'm trying to figure out how the best two teams record wise in the NFL have QB's on pace for 4500 yards. Rivers is too. Hell Manning has yet to lose a game and he leads the NFL in passing attempts. Only ONE player is in the top ten in passing attempts with a sub .500 record. Who needs facts and stats when you can just post a bunch of crap. I guess Manning, Rivers, Brady, Rodgers, Romo, Warner, Favre, and Brees are the certain cases that your post is referring too.

tsiguy96
12-26-2009, 02:08 PM
I'm trying to figure out how the best two teams record wise in the NFL have QB's on pace for 4500 yards. Rivers is too. Hell Manning has yet to lose a game and he leads the NFL in passing attempts. Only ONE player is in the top ten in passing attempts with a sub .500 record. Who needs facts and stats when you can just post a bunch of crap. I guess Manning, Rivers, Brady, Rodgers, Romo, Warner, Favre, and Brees are the certain cases that your post is referring too.

last year, brees and cutler and warner combined for 25 wins. thanks though....historically the highest passing teams dont fare well, just because the league is changing to be pass friendly doesnt change how it has always been.

watermock
12-26-2009, 02:09 PM
The fact is he NFL figured the passing game was mor exciting/ondusive to commercials and replays/sacks ect.

I don't have the fingers or toes to count how many changes have been made to help the offense/stymie the defense.

GeniusatWork
12-26-2009, 03:11 PM
Jay Cutler also threw it more than 5 yards down field.

Why even compare? We both know Orton sucks major dick at his job.

When someone says something like this, it confirms without a doubt that person knows very little about football.

snowspot66
12-26-2009, 03:56 PM
Those stats TAKES YAC INTO CONSIDERATION, NO? and if so--that just speaks more highly of Denver's receivers....

Oh bull ****. Cutler had the same receivers. Same YAC abilities.

Tom G
12-26-2009, 03:58 PM
Before we throw Royal under the bus, remember that he's not the only Bronco who is underachieving. There's Scheffler, Stokley, Hamilton, Wiegmann and, yes, Hillis. And from this year, I guess we can add Moreno. He is, after all, a #12 overall draft choice. You say he's a rookie and to patient with his sub par 3.9 yds per, but Hillis, who was a 7th rounder and also a rookie last year, who even had to change positions from FB to RB mid season, averaged 5.0.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Royals performance is simply a reflection of a bigger problem with our O (and I suppose if that's correct, then it shows how truly outstanding an athlete Marshall really is - but we all know that).

It can't just be Orton. System, possibly? Age and injuries with the OL, maybe? McDs ego? I don't really believe that, but it could be a factor. How about all the above?

But my point is, it's not only Royal. Up until well into mid season, I kept saying that the offense was going to explode and then look out NFL 'cause the defense looked real.

Well, not the case and I am have no easy answer. But give Royal some slack, 'cause he's not alone.

cutthemdown
12-26-2009, 03:59 PM
Weird because Orton and Royal looked like they were clicking some in preseason didn't they?

Oh well sophomore slump if you ask me.

cutthemdown
12-26-2009, 04:01 PM
Actually Ortons YPA and Cutlers from last yr are almost identical. So no Cutler wasn't better at YPA, just threw the ball twice as much.

cutthemdown
12-26-2009, 04:05 PM
Before we throw Royal under the bus, remember that he's not the only Bronco who is underachieving. There's Scheffler, Stokley, Hamilton, Wiegmann and, yes, Hillis. And from this year, I guess we can add Moreno. He is, after all, a #12 overall draft choice. You say he's a rookie and to patient with his sub par 3.9 yds per, but Hillis, who was a 7th rounder and also a rookie last year, who even had to change positions from FB to RB mid season, averaged 5.0.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Royals performance is simply a reflection of a bigger problem with our O (and I suppose if that's correct, then it shows how truly outstanding an athlete Marshall really is - but we all know that).

It can't just be Orton. System, possibly? Age and injuries with the OL, maybe? McDs ego? I don't really believe that, but it could be a factor. How about all the above?

But my point is, it's not only Royal. Up until well into mid season, I kept saying that the offense was going to explode and then look out NFL 'cause the defense looked real.

Well, not the case and I am have no easy answer. But give Royal some slack, 'cause he's not alone.

Well I think Stokes getting pretty old. It's safe to assume he could do less each yr from here out.

Wiegaman- See above, same thing

Hamilton- used up and small

Hochstien- journeyman bkup not a starter

so I think we can stop right there don't you? No reason to move to Royal, Moreno, Sheff. PLayers like that don't do there work until the oline plays better.

I haven't see this much penetration on Bronco oline since before Shanny was coach.

Kuper hasn't played as well. We don't talk about it but he went from pushing people around to seeing average to me again. Not sure what Broncos will offer him.

Wiegman will be gone
Hamilton will be gone

so next yrs Oline IMO could have 2 maybe 3 new players on it