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oubronco
12-22-2009, 07:43 AM
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When they rolled the game film of Sunday's 20-19 loss to the Oakland Raiders, the Broncos may have thought they were watching a practice tape of yesteryear.

Turns out, the Broncos got beat at their own zone-blocking running game.

There used to be a time when no NFL team ran the zone-blocking scheme like the Broncos. Then a few years ago, Raiders boss Al Davis stole the concept. The Raiders even took some of the Broncos' blocking castoffs Cooper Carlisle, Cornell Green and Erik Pears.

In Sunday's game, the Raiders picked up 160 of their 241 yards rushing on just seven carries. That's a 22.9-yard average on seven carries and a 3.0-yard average on the other 27 rushes.

Zone block this way. The running back cuts back that way. And the Broncos' backside defenders weren't there to help.

"There was a common theme in that they happened on the cutback, all but two of them," Broncos defensive coordinator Mike Nolan said. "It has to do with responsibility to stay home. They can get you flowing fast with their style of running game, and they have a complementary play that cuts back."

So that's why.

That gadget, throwback pass to left tackle Ryan Clady? Turns out it was supposed to be a lateral. The Broncos were penalized for an illegal forward pass to an offensive lineman. Clady didn't report to the official that he was an eligible receiver, which would have been required to make the pass play legal. But he didn't have to report on a lateral.

Kyle Orton's pass did go forward, and Clady caught it and was tackled for a 3-yard loss by cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha. Clady and Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy said the play worked in practice.

Blame game.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said he did second-guess some of his play calls Sunday.

"I think you always look at it and say: 'What could I have done different? Is there a different call that I could've made?' " McDaniels said.
Perhaps the two most curious call sequences were a second-and-4 quarterback sneak from the Raiders' 7-yard line in the first quarter and a pass play on third-and-19 with 3:46 remaining. The sneak gained a yard, which was followed by another run on third-and-3 from the Raiders' 6. Field goal.

On the third-and-19 play late in the fourth quarter, the Broncos were trying to protect a six-point lead, and the Raiders had burned their second and third timeouts on the previous two plays. Instead of calling for a running play that would have ticked 40 seconds off the clock, an incomplete pass stopped it, essentially giving the Raiders a fourth timeout.

Oakland wound up scoring with 35 seconds remaining, rallying for the victory.

Footnotes.

After missing Sunday's game because of an ankle injury, running back Correll Buckhalter said he will play this weekend against Philadelphia, his former team. Free safety Renaldo Hill, whose presence was missed on those cutback runs against the Raiders, will be a bit more questionable to play because of his ankle injury. "I am hopeful on both," McDaniels said. . . . As it stands, the Broncos have a top 10 pick in the April draft. The Broncos acquired the Bears' 2010 first-round pick through the Orton-Jay Cutler trade. With a 5-9 mark, the Bears are in a four-way tie for the NFL's seventh-worst record. They finish at home against Minnesota and on the road at Detroit.


Oh I don't know maybe try something different on short yardage

go_broncos
12-22-2009, 07:49 AM
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On the third-and-19 play late in the fourth quarter, the Broncos were trying to protect a six-point lead, and the Raiders had burned their second and third timeouts on the previous two plays. Instead of calling for a running play that would have ticked 40 seconds off the clock, an incomplete pass stopped it, essentially giving the Raiders a fourth timeout.
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Mcd is showing his inexperience..I would be OK if he is calling these type of plays in the beginning..We can't afford these mistakes now.

If he continues these type of mistakes, he will be gone in couple of seasons.

supermanhr9
12-22-2009, 08:01 AM
I hate Al Davis. Guranteed the Raiders suck the rest of the year and don't do anything to win, just to screw us over. (They play 1 or two of the remaining teams in the Hunt including Baltimore)

lostknight
12-22-2009, 08:22 AM
ahh, but we don't run the ZBS anymore.

It wasn't invented in New England.

bpc
12-22-2009, 08:30 AM
Kinda fitting that the ZBS which is villainous around here now, gashed our playoff hopes for 240 yds rushing vs. mostly backups at QB, HB, and on the OL for the Raiders.

Fitting that McDaniels second guesses himself on things other than trying Hillis in short yardage situations and that stupid ass OT screen pass.

Also, the 3rd down play which Orton sailed over a flailing, unathletic Lamont Jordan was terrible. I'm ardent about going for 6 when you need 5 but even I thought that was stupid. Run the clock. Play to the tendencies. Which is another reason not blitzing JaLardcus on the last try was utterly ridiculous on Mike Nolan's behalf.

tsiguy96
12-22-2009, 09:16 AM
Kinda fitting that the ZBS which is villainous around here now, gashed our playoff hopes for 240 yds rushing vs. mostly backups at QB, HB, and on the OL for the Raiders.

Fitting that McDaniels second guesses himself on things other than trying Hillis in short yardage situations and that stupid ass OT screen pass.

Also, the 3rd down play which Orton sailed over a flailing, unathletic Lamont Jordan was terrible. I'm ardent about going for 6 when you need 5 but even I thought that was stupid. Run the clock. Play to the tendencies. Which is another reason not blitzing JaLardcus on the last try was utterly ridiculous on Mike Nolan's behalf.

michael bush, darren mcfadden are backup HBs? do you know anything about football?

Broncoman13
12-22-2009, 09:23 AM
michael bush, darren mcfadden are backup HBs? do you know anything about football?

Bush is their 3rd RB behind Fargas and McFadden. Frye is their 3rd QB and they are calling Jamarcus Russell's game play, "His defining moment". Probably shouldn't argue this win bro...

ZBS can be very effective, but if you don't score from 20 out it's not going to help you a whole lot in the redzone. At some point, you have to be able to play power football and cram the running game right up the defense's ass. We're not there yet but I have faith that McD will bring in players with that ability. Just awkward right now b/c we have always been able to run the ball... even when we were down to our 5th or 6th RB last year we were able to run the ball. Hell, when we were down to Pope we could run the ball, Shanny just wouldn't call the play.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-22-2009, 09:25 AM
ahh, but we don't run the ZBS anymore.

It wasn't invented in New England.

uhhh, we still do run ZBS and that wasn't working against oakland either. Not to mention, for the past number of years we couldnt stop ANY RUNNING GAME

bpc
12-22-2009, 09:26 AM
Oh god, here comes Tsiguy and his stupidity parade.

Bush has started 7 games out of 14, rushing for 500 yds... McFadden has start 5 out of 14 and has rushed for 300 yds....

Are they both starters or do the Raiders have a turnstyle backfield and aren't really happy with any of them? More important how damn stupid are you? Must I explain everything to you?

Broncoman13
12-22-2009, 09:30 AM
uhhh, we still do run ZBS and that wasn't working against oakland either. Not to mention, for the past number of years we couldnt stop ANY RUNNING GAME

We haven't run the ZBS in several weeks, not sure what you're watching???

SonOfLe-loLang
12-22-2009, 11:51 AM
We haven't run the ZBS in several weeks, not sure what you're watching???

Anytime you see us running a stretch play, its zone blocking.

WolfpackGuy
12-22-2009, 12:05 PM
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On the third-and-19 play late in the fourth quarter, the Broncos were trying to protect a six-point lead, and the Raiders had burned their second and third timeouts on the previous two plays. Instead of calling for a running play that would have ticked 40 seconds off the clock, an incomplete pass stopped it, essentially giving the Raiders a fourth timeout.
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Mcd is showing his inexperience..I would be OK if he is calling these type of plays in the beginning..We can't afford these mistakes now.
If he continues these type of mistakes, he will be gone in couple of seasons.

That was a dumb mistake. Three straight runs should've been called there.

Well, at least the Broncos will be playing the master of clock mismanagement this week. Andy Reid.

DBroncos4life
12-22-2009, 01:08 PM
michael bush, darren mcfadden are backup HBs? do you know anything about football?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/depth?team=oak

It's called a depth chart, look into it.