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Hercules Rockefeller
12-20-2009, 08:38 PM
Should currently be 8th behind Seattle in the 5-9 group. A win by the Skins tomorrow night would also give them 5, but all that should do is move Seattle to 6th and the Skins to 7th.

LongDongJohnson
12-20-2009, 08:39 PM
man who to get....

so many holes our team has.

Broncoman13
12-20-2009, 08:42 PM
8th pick should be a pretty good spot. McCoy may last to that spot, but I'm not sure if he's a good fit. He'd probably be a 3-4 end and that isn't his natural position... plus it's kind of a waste for a high pick, IMO.

I'd prefer a guy like Berry, Bryant, or a QB (yep, I went there). I don't like the idea of starting rookie OL, even though Clady did great as a rook. I'd prefer we built the OL through FA adding draft picks in the 3rd round and on. Same thing goes for the OL though I think a rookie could adjust more quickly.

What are your thoughts on the draft if we end up with #8?

HAT
12-20-2009, 08:45 PM
Should currently be 8th behind Seattle in the 5-9 group. A win by the Skins tomorrow night would also give them 5, but all that should do is move Seattle to 6th and the Skins to 7th.

The Bears are going to lose out. They have to face a pissed off Minny who is still playing for a bye.....And Detroit can absolutely beat the Bears on the carpet.

Ambiguous
12-20-2009, 08:46 PM
What are your thoughts on the draft if we end up with #8?

Anyone really, as long as they are like A Smith.

Finger Roll
12-20-2009, 08:46 PM
some names I'd like to see.
Berry, Bryant, Claussen, Bradford, Haden, Mcclain.

LongDongJohnson
12-20-2009, 08:46 PM
after watching todays game.. our run defense still sucks. rolando mcclain might be the answer.

or we can go dez bryant. royal sucks and gaffney and stokely are back ups. we could use another beast lining up accross a hopefully resigned and freshly paid beast.

Broncoman13
12-20-2009, 08:48 PM
man who to get....

so many holes our team has.

Lots of holes, but a lot of money to play with too. Plus with another year and some serious coaching I think Ayers can play. He just has to find that killer instinct. He seems timid and actually lets up on plays. He gets in position to make the play which is encouraging. Alphonso Smith was in position to make a play today too... We really need him to show some serious improvement between this year and next. Knowshon is going to show the most improvement. The strength a RB gains from year one in a professional strength program is remarkable. It took DeAngelo Williams two years to really show up in the NFL and now he is a beast, Knowshon will be the exact same way.

Here is a thought, imagine if it were a guy like CJ Spiller that took that slant pass (vice Stokely) today. No catching him and we win going away.

Focus our FA $$$ on DT, OLB, and OL. In the draft you grab a playmaker... never can have too many of those guys.

LongDongJohnson
12-20-2009, 08:50 PM
Lots of holes, but a lot of money to play with too. Plus with another year and some serious coaching I think Ayers can play. He just has to find that killer instinct. He seems timid and actually lets up on plays. He gets in position to make the play which is encouraging. Alphonso Smith was in position to make a play today too... We really need him to show some serious improvement between this year and next. Knowshon is going to show the most improvement. The strength a RB gains from year one in a professional strength program is remarkable. It took DeAngelo Williams two years to really show up in the NFL and now he is a beast, Knowshon will be the exact same way.

Here is a thought, imagine if it were a guy like CJ Spiller that took that slant pass (vice Stokely) today. No catching him and we win going away.

Focus our FA $$$ on DT, OLB, and OL. In the draft you grab a playmaker... never can have too many of those guys.
yeah we do have a lot of money to play with.. but we also have a lot of decisions to make.
keep orton?? Marshall is a must sign. kuper and scheffler is what ever to me. and Elvis Dumervil keeps on disapearing in big games and is getting bulldozed in the run game. is he worth keeping? he's one dimensional.
maybe ayers takes over for dumervil next year.

and
yeah we need more playmakers on offense. thats why i dont have a problem taking a guy like dez bryant.

lex
12-20-2009, 08:51 PM
Lots of holes, but a lot of money to play with too. Plus with another year and some serious coaching I think Ayers can play. He just has to find that killer instinct. He seems timid and actually lets up on plays. He gets in position to make the play which is encouraging. Alphonso Smith was in position to make a play today too... We really need him to show some serious improvement between this year and next. Knowshon is going to show the most improvement. The strength a RB gains from year one in a professional strength program is remarkable. It took DeAngelo Williams two years to really show up in the NFL and now he is a beast, Knowshon will be the exact same way.

Here is a thought, imagine if it were a guy like CJ Spiller that took that slant pass (vice Stokely) today. No catching him and we win going away.

Focus our FA $$$ on DT, OLB, and OL. In the draft you grab a playmaker... never can have too many of those guys.

Imagine Spiller on some of those runs to the outside that Buckhalter made. As fast as Buckhalter seems, its nothing compared to Spiller.

epicSocialism4tw
12-20-2009, 08:52 PM
Cherokee Sam for Broncos QB in 2010.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-20-2009, 08:52 PM
And the range breakdown:

5-11:
2004 (year the draft took place, so based on '03 records): 6-10
2005: 4-7
2006: 8-10
2007: 5-6
2008: 7-8
2009: 7-8

6-10:
2004: 11-13
2005: 8-12
2006: 11-14
2007: 7-9
2008: No 6-10 teams
2009: 9

7-9:
2004: 14-16
2005: 13-15
2006: No 7-9 teams
2007: 10-12
2008: 9-15
2009: 10-11

There are currently 12 teams who are guaranteed to have a better record than Chicago. There are only 3 teams who are guaranteed to have a worse record than Chicago.

While only 12 teams are out of reach of Chicago, there are 8 teams with 7 wins. 1 more loss by Chicago, would obviously put those 8 teams out of reach and guaranteeing that even before the tiebreakers are looked at, the pick could be no lower than 12th. Losing both would guarantee no lower than 10th before tiebreakers.

epicSocialism4tw
12-20-2009, 08:54 PM
Imagine Spiller on some of those runs to the outside that Buckhalter made. As fast as Buckhalter seems, its nothing compared to Spiller.

Um...that's yet to be seen. Buckhalter is an extremely fast back on the field and Spiller has yet to take an NFL snap. People were more egregious with hyperbole about Reggie Bush and that cat is one of the biggest busts in NFL history. I'm impressed with Spiller too, but Buckhalter is a weapon today in the NFL.

Broncoman13
12-20-2009, 08:56 PM
some names I'd like to see.
Berry, Bryant, Claussen, Bradford, Haden, Mcclain.

I agree with your guys in this order:

Bryant (assuming the 4.6 rumors are false)
Berry (Look at what a stud safety does for the Ravens and Steelers, Berry is in the same league as Polamalu and Reed)
Spiller (my add in, think Percy Harvin with a better attitude..and faster)
McClain (Could have a Aaron Curry like rise by the draft. Problem is, what do you do with Doom and/or Ayers?)
Bradford (Decently mobility, good arm, and great accuracy... 8 might be a little high at this point though)
Claussen (Haven't watched much of him. I know he has a cannon and that's about it)

Bryant is another

Finger Roll
12-20-2009, 08:57 PM
Cherokee Sam for Broncos QB in 2010.

i hope so but doubt it

Broncoman13
12-20-2009, 08:58 PM
after watching todays game.. our run defense still sucks. rolando mcclain might be the answer.

or we can go dez bryant. royal sucks and gaffney and stokely are back ups. we could use another beast lining up accross a hopefully resigned and freshly paid beast.

Royal doesn't suck. He does look lost right now though. I think his best position is probably the #2 or the slot. If we were to draft a guy like Spiller then Royal would stay at the #2. If we were to draft a guy like Bryant then Royal could move to the slot.

Broncoman13
12-20-2009, 09:03 PM
Um...that's yet to be seen. Buckhalter is an extremely fast back on the field and Spiller has yet to take an NFL snap. People were more egregious with hyperbole about Reggie Bush and that cat is one of the biggest busts in NFL history. I'm impressed with Spiller too, but Buckhalter is a weapon today in the NFL.

CJ Spiller is more Chris Johnson than Reggie Bush.

Spiller runs a sub 4.3 like Chris Johnson. He isn't a slasher either, he gets north/south.

Bush was a 4.44 guy and has suffered numerous injuries. He doesn't get the credit he deserves either, he's is a helluva player that makes plays that sometimes don't show up on the stat sheet.

Broncoman13
12-20-2009, 09:05 PM
Another thing to consider, Berry runs in the 4.3-4.4 range and may project to CB in the NFL as well. Very similar to Michael Griffin.

Finger Roll
12-20-2009, 09:07 PM
I'm not a fan of drafting running backs in round 1.

DarkHorse
12-20-2009, 09:21 PM
We need to somehow, using a pick or Brandstater, replace our cement foot QB that looks at 1 receiver 80% of the time.

TDmvp
12-20-2009, 09:22 PM
I'm not a fan of drafting running backs in round 1.

Rep ...

Popps
12-20-2009, 09:24 PM
Rep ...

Rep Rep.


Beef up the lines in the draft. That's a no-brainer.

I'm fine with trying to grab a speedster somewhere in the mid-rounds.

bpc
12-20-2009, 09:26 PM
If we get close enough, McCoy is exactly who we should take. He projects like a Richard Seymore type. Highly active player who is scheme diverse and active enough to generate a pass rush as the 3-4 DE spot.

lex
12-20-2009, 09:30 PM
Um...that's yet to be seen. Buckhalter is an extremely fast back on the field and Spiller has yet to take an NFL snap. People were more egregious with hyperbole about Reggie Bush and that cat is one of the biggest busts in NFL history. I'm impressed with Spiller too, but Buckhalter is a weapon today in the NFL.

Uh, theres really not much to dispute. Spiller can run a 100 m. in the 10.2s.

SoDak Bronco
12-20-2009, 09:35 PM
If we draft another RB with a top 12 pick I will be pissed. Spiller is going to make some team happy but we aren't taking him. I hope we can grab some elite player that slips, the ILB from Alabama would be my choice, unless we can grab a stud linemen

DBroncos4life
12-20-2009, 09:38 PM
CJ Spiller is more Chris Johnson than Reggie Bush.

Spiller runs a sub 4.3 like Chris Johnson. He isn't a slasher either, he gets north/south.

Bush was a 4.44 guy and has suffered numerous injuries. He doesn't get the credit he deserves either, he's is a helluva player that makes plays that sometimes don't show up on the stat sheet.

I would love to get Bush when he is cut. The guy makes plays. Sure he isn't a "true" RB in terms of rushing the ball but the guy is amazing on returns and catching the ball in the RZ and scoring. This has been his least productive season and he still has 8 TDs, 742 total yards, and a 5.4 ypc.

~Crash~
12-20-2009, 09:39 PM
If we draft another RB with a top 12 pick I will be pissed. Spiller is going to make some team happy but we aren't taking him. I hope we can grab some elite player that slips, the ILB from Alabama would be my choice, unless we can grab a stud linemen

Williams is not a MLB simple as that . We should try yo trade Williams

Hercules Rockefeller
12-20-2009, 09:45 PM
They still need to get more talented up front on defense

lex
12-20-2009, 09:48 PM
If we draft another RB with a top 12 pick I will be pissed. Spiller is going to make some team happy but we aren't taking him. I hope we can grab some elite player that slips, the ILB from Alabama would be my choice, unless we can grab a stud linemen

I dont necessarily think we should take Spiller...certainly not at 8. If we're at 8, I agree with many who think we should take McClain. If we traded down a couple of spots, I also wouldnt mind taking Bradford. If we're going to take a QB in rd 1, he would be the guy I would want.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-20-2009, 09:49 PM
Shore up the lines.

lex
12-20-2009, 09:53 PM
Shore up the lines.

Who?

SoDak Bronco
12-20-2009, 09:54 PM
I dont necessarily think we should take Spiller...certainly not at 8. If we're at 8, I agree with many who think we should take McClain. If we traded down a couple of spots, I also wouldnt mind taking Bradford. If we're going to take a QB in rd 1, he would be the guy I would want.

Yeah if we like McClain at 8 I think we should jump on him. if we think Bradford will be a franchise changer, I have no problem with taking him at 8. I prefer him over any of the other QB's, he is accurate, nice frame, and is able to move well in the pocket. We shall see, I think Orton has his limitations but would be a nice guy to groom our QB of the future.

DBroncos4life
12-20-2009, 09:57 PM
They still need to get more talented up front on defense

More then a few of us said that we just brought in cast offs during the off-season. They played very well but the fact of the matter is we rely on ONE guy in the front 7 to make plays. We very much need Ayers to get better next year to take pressure off Doom should we resign him. He jumps off sides often and he got that roughing call because he is forced to make plays in the front seven by himself. Pitt has Lawrence Timmons 6 sacks and LaMarr Woodley 9 sacks to help James Harrison out. Our second best sack player is Reid a DE with 4. I'm no expert but I pretty certain that the sacks are more often then not from LBs in the 3-4.

bpc
12-20-2009, 10:00 PM
If we draft another RB with a top 12 pick I will be pissed. Spiller is going to make some team happy but we aren't taking him. I hope we can grab some elite player that slips, the ILB from Alabama would be my choice, unless we can grab a stud linemen

Spiller is good, but he isn't the player that CJ was coming from ECU, despite his many years of pedigree. You are right. We would be wise to pass on him.

TheChamp24
12-21-2009, 06:56 AM
Too bad we had to trade our 1st for Smith, otherwise we'd be in position to take both Alabama boys in McClain and Cody, or get an OG late in the 1st or whatever.
Unless the Bears lose out and their pick gets in the top 5 range, I don't see us being able to get Berry.
Also, please note everybody said Aaron Curry was the "safest and sure thing" pick last year, and he was outperformed by nearly every LB taken after him in the 1st and 2nd rounds.
I like McClain, and also Dez Bryant as well with the possible picks for us. Maybe Gerald McCoy if he can project well to a 3-4 DE. He did play DE at times at OU, who ran a 3 down linemen look sometimes during the season.
Anyways, I think we have a lot of options to look at, but no CJ Spiller.

Denver724
12-21-2009, 07:16 AM
There is no way McD takes Spiller. That would point to Moreno as a fail and McD would never let that happen.

bloodsunday
12-21-2009, 07:22 AM
Chicago should lose to Minny and beat Detroit to finish the season. Although they look like a team that is quitting, so maybe they finish 5 - 11.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-22-2009, 03:22 PM
http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html

It is 8th, only Seattle has a weaker SOS out of the 5-9 teams.

outdoor_miner
12-22-2009, 03:50 PM
http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html

It is 8th, only Seattle has a weaker SOS out of the 5-9 teams.

This is pretty sweet... Assuming that Chicago at least loses one more (Minnesota), it appears that the lowest the pick could be would be 11, since Carolina's SOS is so much tougher than Chicago's. Given the other team's remaining schedules, the pick appears destined to come in at 9 or 10.

Paladin
12-22-2009, 04:03 PM
If we get close enough, McCoy is exactly who we should take. He projects like a Richard Seymore type. Highly active player who is scheme diverse and active enough to generate a pass rush as the 3-4 DE spot.

I heard he is a two down player, and takes plays off regularly. No stamina. Too much weight to play at the high speed level of the pros. Suh is better.

But, I think they trade down if they can and get more first day picks. Biggest name is likely to be a guard or a C or even a LB.

Breaker
12-22-2009, 10:01 PM
Well if we are 8 we and we REALLY like someone higher we could trade up, we would have the ammunition to get up into the top three spots.

Paladin
12-22-2009, 10:07 PM
Only if the Oline is addressed in FA.

anton
12-22-2009, 10:16 PM
I heard he is a two down player, and takes plays off regularly. No stamina. Too much weight to play at the high speed level of the pros. Suh is better.

But, I think they trade down if they can and get more first day picks. Biggest name is likely to be a guard or a C or even a LB.

You are describing Terrence Cody, not Gerald McCoy. McCoy is a fantastic, conditioned athlete that will be a top 5 (probably top 3) pick. His explosiveness from the DT position is better than most DEs in the country.

ZONA
12-22-2009, 11:27 PM
It's fun speculating all this 1st and 2nd round stuff and if we trade up or down and I usually do that closer to draft time but there is one guy I think this team NEEDS to get and his name is JD Walton and we could probably land him in the late 2nd round or early 3rd round.

Replacing a small (280) Casey Wiegmann is where it starts for me. The defense does need help and I do think we need a brute at DT but the defense, for the most part, does it's job. The interior OL has proven this season to be the weakness and I think Olsen could actually grab that LG spot. The reason I love Walton so much is that for one, he's a big center at 305 (20 pounds bigger then Casey). Also, he plays on a team that runs a ton of Shotgun and that's what we do. I've highlighted some key things I like about him, mostly that he's smart, rough and tries to agitate defenders and gives everything he has on every play and really shines in short yardage situations. If you ask me, this is the guy we want under center.





JD Walton (Baylor) 6-3 305 Center

Pass blocking: Quick set after the snap, getting hands into the tackle's jersey. Works hard to keep contact with nose tackle, maintaining his anchor against bigger, stronger defenders. Keeps his feet moving and arms punching to assist on double-teams. Adept on shotgun (which Baylor uses often) and direct snaps. Will lean into his man, making him lose his balance and body control on occasion.

Run blocking: Short arms make it difficult to sustain against defensive tackles with above-average length. Strong on double-teams, getting leverage to maintain big hole/passing lane inside. Works hard throughout the play, and agitates his defender even when on the ground. Gets low in goal-line and short-yardage situations to take out his man.

Pulling/trapping: Best in close quarters. Adequate footwork to get the correct angles when on the move. Not overly quick or smooth as a runner, his feet get caught up in trash inside. Lacks agility to adjust to oncoming defenders, although he manages to stop them, anyway, using strength and will.

Initial Quickness: Good pop off the snap when run blocking and in pass pro, though Baylor doesn't drive block very often. Adjusts to late line shifts, uses angles to his advantage. Must improve his ability to cut block on quick throws.

Downfield: Not especially agile at the second level. Effective at taking out inside-out defenders, however, by using any available part of his body. Will usually find a second man after coming off a double but won't dominate him. Plays through the whistle, and will take out a man if he's not playing aware.

Intangibles: Typical mauler inside, giving everything he has on every play. Leader of the offensive line. Just the type of tough, intelligent, durable pivot man NFL teams like.

watermock
12-22-2009, 11:41 PM
Who cares, Beavis will have his index card and that's that.

bpc
12-23-2009, 12:35 AM
I heard he is a two down player, and takes plays off regularly. No stamina. Too much weight to play at the high speed level of the pros. Suh is better.

But, I think they trade down if they can and get more first day picks. Biggest name is likely to be a guard or a C or even a LB.

I've watched him several times and I can verify this is not the case. He's a better run defender than he is as a pure pass rusher, but that benefits him in the 3-4. His motor though was consistently running from what I saw and he was a rock at the POA.

I'm not against trading back but it's hard to find front line guys that have the talent of a guy like McCoy. That would be a bitter pill to swallow but the case can be made that we have tons of holes all over the field and could use additional draft picks.

watermock
12-23-2009, 12:51 AM
It's an uncapped year, and money is free, at least in washington.

Maybe that's why Shanny is heading there.

BroncoBen
12-23-2009, 09:57 AM
I think the Broncos should trade back a few spots to say 12.. pick up a 3rd round pick.

Then draft QB Jimmy Clausen, I like him because he has played in Charlie Wies system which is similar to a pro-set offense.

Then the Broncos should use their 2nd round pick on a defensive player.. defensive line. Then with two picks in the 3rd round.. draft offense line.

bloodsunday
12-24-2009, 10:23 AM
Beef up the lines in the draft. That's a no-brainer.

I hope so. Mike Shanahan certainly never believed in building your team from the line of scrimmage out. He thought he could win with "system" guys on OL and overpriced-FA on DL.

ward63
12-24-2009, 09:28 PM
Are KC and NE the only two teams w/two picks in the second round?

27atwater
12-25-2009, 11:51 AM
If we pick top 10, there are really only 3 names I'd want...Berry (dream scenario), McClain or Dez Bryant.

I say we actually give Brandstater a chance to develop and not draft a QB.

I also think we franchise BMarsh, if for no other reason than to see how he handles it. many think he has been "fixed" in 3 months. I'm leery.

Play2win
12-25-2009, 03:06 PM
I still wouldn't be apposed to CODY-- maybe trade back a few spots to get him. I mean is there a big difference in perception between him and when WILFORK was taken back in 2004. I know their measurements are a little different, but they seem to be the same kind of player. I would definitely give up a top ten pick to get a Wilfork (or Wilfork-type player/results) in his prime.

Requiem
12-25-2009, 03:10 PM
Cody is a pile of ****. That guy can barely play back-to-back downs in college without needing to be hooked up to a respirator when he trots (more like stumbles) off the field. Pass.

snowspot66
12-25-2009, 03:34 PM
I think the Broncos should trade back a few spots to say 12.. pick up a 3rd round pick.

Then draft QB Jimmy Clausen, I like him because he has played in Charlie Wies system which is similar to a pro-set offense.

Then the Broncos should use their 2nd round pick on a defensive player.. defensive line. Then with two picks in the 3rd round.. draft offense line.

Why not stick with Orton then? He's played in our system for a year. You seem to be making the case for any QB but Orton as long as they have experience in the system which doesn't really make any sense.

Requiem
12-25-2009, 03:36 PM
Snow,

My guess would be that BroncoBen sees more longevity and better opportunity with Clausen under the helm in the future, as opposed to Orton now and in the future. It makes sense to me, considering Clausen is more talented than Orton, and probably has more upside long-term.

bap454
12-25-2009, 08:30 PM
Williams is not a MLB simple as that . We should try yo trade Williams

"yo", trading our best linebacker doesnt make any sense. Davis is a 1-2 year stopgap. Hagan is adequate but not spectacular. Woodyard young/undersized. IMO our most glaring needs include both interior lines, and LB(-1). --Mclain is looking more and more like a possiblility next April.

bap454
12-25-2009, 08:34 PM
Snow,

My guess would be that BroncoBen sees more longevity and better opportunity with Clausen under the helm in the future, as opposed to Orton now and in the future. It makes sense to me, considering Clausen is more talented than Orton, and probably has more upside long-term.

I think Clausen gets pushed up the board and is gone before we pick, mute point. If somehow he is there at 10-15, you definately pick him. Its the whole Plummer/ Cutler debate all over again, once we get bounced out of the AFC Championship game..:wiggle:

baja
12-25-2009, 08:47 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/member.php?u=6122

Damn there is some serious anger residing in that dude.

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Hercules Rockefeller
12-27-2009, 08:28 PM
With the Dallas-Washington game pretty much over, an update:

There are 17 teams with 8 or more wins, the pick absolutely cannot be lower than 15th at this point. That's before the SOS tiebreaker is applied also. Going off of last week's SOS #'s for the current 7-win teams, Chicago and San Fran are tied with the weakest SOS.

If the Bears lose tomorrow night, the pick can be no lower than 10th before the tiebreaker.

If the SOS numbers don't change too much after this weekend, a loss tomorrow night would still leave the pick at 8th.

The two 4 win teams (Wash and Cle) have a stronger SOS going into next weekend.

KC's loss means they cannot reach 5 wins (also had a stronger SOS).

The highest the pick can be is 5th, to get there:
Chicago loses both games to go 5-11
Cleveland wins at home vs Jax (maybe)
Washington wins at SD (no chance)
Seattle (weaker SOS) at home against Tenn (not with CJ going for 2k)

KevinJames
12-27-2009, 08:29 PM
CJ Spiller

colonelbeef
12-27-2009, 08:33 PM
No way they draft a WR. WR is hardly the problem.

bpc
12-27-2009, 08:35 PM
This is the only thing that has consistently made me happy over the last 7-9 weeks.

DBroncos4life
12-27-2009, 08:36 PM
Honestly if we do make Wies the OC in the off-season then I think Clausen is our first pick.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-27-2009, 08:48 PM
I think the pick is 10th in the end. They lose tomorrow, win next weekend, and none of the other current 5-10 teams come through with a victory next weekend.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-27-2009, 08:49 PM
Honestly if we do make Wies the OC in the off-season then I think Clausen is our first pick.

Doubt he falls past the Skins or Seattle, and both are ahead of Denver right now.

Finger Roll
12-27-2009, 08:52 PM
With the Dallas-Washington game pretty much over, an update:

There are 17 teams with 8 or more wins, the pick absolutely cannot be lower than 15th at this point. That's before the SOS tiebreaker is applied also. Going off of last week's SOS #'s for the current 7-win teams, Chicago and San Fran are tied with the weakest SOS.

If the Bears lose tomorrow night, the pick can be no lower than 10th before the tiebreaker.

If the SOS numbers don't change too much after this weekend, a loss tomorrow night would still leave the pick at 8th.

The two 4 win teams (Wash and Cle) have a stronger SOS going into next weekend.

KC's loss means they cannot reach 5 wins (also had a stronger SOS).

The highest the pick can be is 5th, to get there:
Chicago loses both games to go 5-11
Cleveland wins at home vs Jax (maybe)
Washington wins at SD (no chance)
Seattle (weaker SOS) at home against Tenn (not with CJ going for 2k)

if San Diego rests players Washington can win.

STBumpkin
12-27-2009, 09:24 PM
Honestly if we do make Wies the OC in the off-season then I think Clausen is our first pick.

God I hope not. Wies did nothing with Clausen against college kids, let alone professionals. We won't get Wies anyway, it just doesn't make sense. I don't want either of them anyway.

Popps
12-27-2009, 11:04 PM
Great stuff.

I hope we end up in the 8-12 range, at this point... and it sounds like we will.

Choices, galore!

Denver724
12-27-2009, 11:10 PM
Only one thing better. Have our own pick as well. Yes, I am still bitter. And by the way, Alphonso looked slow and sluggish today returning punts. I think he needs to lose some weight (or move the safety).

bpc
12-27-2009, 11:14 PM
No way they draft a WR. WR is hardly the problem.

I'd say all options are available at this point. QB, OL, WR, heck, maybe even HB if they think CJ Spiller is another Chris Johnson.

One of the bigger problems on offense right now is Eddie Royal is miscast on the outside within this offensive scheme. I think his talents are better utilized on the inside. This poses an interesting quandary. If the team likes a guy like Dez Bryant enough, they may make a move for him and bump Royal inside to the slot. Personally I think this would help our offense out a lot.

Still, this doesn't solve our issues under center. Orton is always going to be Orton. You can't turn chicken **** into chicken salad. Eventually we will have to fix that problem.

NFLBRONCO
12-27-2009, 11:24 PM
I'd say all options are available at this point. QB, OL, WR, heck, maybe even HB if they think CJ Spiller is another Chris Johnson.

One of the bigger problems on offense right now is Eddie Royal is miscast on the outside within this offensive scheme. I think his talents are better utilized on the inside. This poses an interesting quandary. If the team likes a guy like Dez Bryant enough, they may make a move for him and bump Royal inside to the slot. Personally I think this would help our offense out a lot.

Still, this doesn't solve our issues under center. Orton is always going to be Orton. You can't turn chicken **** into chicken salad. Eventually we will have to fix that problem.

Why not put Gaffney at 2 and Royal at 3 Gaffney has more exp in this offense. I do think more speed is needed on offense,

bpc
12-27-2009, 11:28 PM
Why not put Gaffney at 2 and Royal at 3 Gaffney has more exp in this offense. I do think more speed is needed on offense,

It would make a lot more sense than the other way around. Then again, I don't know why McDaniels does a lot of the things he does so I quit trying to understanding.

I'm just going to try and let this wave roll over me and miraculously hope we'll have Moss and Welker lining up on the corners carrying our QB down the field since that's the offense McD runs best.

~Crash~
12-27-2009, 11:29 PM
Cody is a pile of ****. That guy can barely play back-to-back downs in college without needing to be hooked up to a respirator when he trots (more like stumbles) off the field. Pass.

yep that blocked Field goal that saved there season against Tenn sure would of been nice today ..but I get it you have no clue now go smoke a fatty and **** a sheep

~Crash~
12-27-2009, 11:31 PM
It would make a lot more sense than the other way around. Then again, I don't know why McDaniels does a lot of the things he does so I quit trying to understanding.

I'm just going to try and let this wave roll over me and miraculously hope we'll have Moss and Welker lining up on the corners carrying our QB down the field since that's the offense McD runs best.

yep that is because he is a dip ****.

Broncos4tw
12-28-2009, 12:03 AM
I don't honestly care at this point. We'll probably trade this pick away for a fourth round, and a backup kicker or something.

27atwater
12-28-2009, 03:47 PM
After watching DJ and Davis struggle yesterday, it has to be McClain. DJ is the man, but he needs more help than what Davis can currently give him. I also think DJ is better suited for 4-3, but maybe it's just a learning curve. Call me crazy, but I didn't hate Ayers play and effort yesterday. It'll take time for him to adjust, but he appears to be improving rather quickly.

Inkana7
12-28-2009, 03:54 PM
Ayers played good yesterday. Good pressures, good effort.

gtown
12-28-2009, 04:21 PM
After watching DJ and Davis struggle yesterday, it has to be McClain. DJ is the man, but he needs more help than what Davis can currently give him. I also think DJ is better suited for 4-3, but maybe it's just a learning curve. Call me crazy, but I didn't hate Ayers play and effort yesterday. It'll take time for him to adjust, but he appears to be improving rather quickly.

Ayers stood out yesterday. Looks like things are finally slowing down for him. Would like to see a bit more explosiveness off the snap, but he is probably the strongest of the OLBs we have and has been great against the run.

Davis has had a great year and while not flashy, does not overpersue and pick the wrong fricking hole like DJ does. DJ will give you some highlight film plays, but is not geared for the middle. I think we trade him this offseason to a 4-3 team. If that is the case, Rolando McClain come on down!!

eddie mac
12-28-2009, 04:26 PM
It would make a lot more sense than the other way around. Then again, I don't know why McDaniels does a lot of the things he does so I quit trying to understanding.

I'm just going to try and let this wave roll over me and miraculously hope we'll have Moss and Welker lining up on the corners carrying our QB down the field since that's the offense McD runs best.

If anything though his performace down the stretch this season means that Pat will not blow any big $$ on an extension for him, more than likely Marshall and Dumervil will see the money first this offseason.

Scheffler will most likely be tendered with the draft pick tender (2nd rd) in the hope that someone offers a 3rd rounder.

Depending on how McD evaluates Kuper's performance down the stretch he'll either get the 2nd rd tender or lower IMO (Draft pick one is a 5th)

Orton will get the 1st and 3rd rd one.

MABroncoFan
12-28-2009, 04:35 PM
if San Diego rests players Washington can win.

SD has nothing to play for - they're locked into the 2 seed - so it's possible.

Didn't the Bears beat the Seahawks? So even if they tied, the Seahawks would have the earlier pick.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-28-2009, 04:47 PM
Didn't the Bears beat the Seahawks? So even if they tied, the Seahawks would have the earlier pick.

SOS is the first tiebreaker

alchemize
12-28-2009, 05:27 PM
I don't honestly care at this point. We'll probably trade this pick away for a fourth round, and a backup kicker or something.
backup long-snapper.

NFLBRONCO
12-28-2009, 09:23 PM
how far do we drop now assume 7-9

Popps
12-28-2009, 09:26 PM
Davis has had a great year and while not flashy, does not overpersue and pick the wrong fricking hole like DJ does. DJ will give you some highlight film plays, but is not geared for the middle.

Don't get me started.

TheDave
12-28-2009, 09:27 PM
how far do we drop now assume 7-9

as of right now we are #10... if they go 7-9 probably #12

Finger Roll
12-28-2009, 09:29 PM
not so bad

Hercules Rockefeller
12-28-2009, 09:32 PM
how far do we drop now assume 7-9

At 6-9, it's now 10th.

http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html

Out of the 7 win teams, San Fran (weaker SOS) is home to StL. So hopefully that's win #8 for them and removes them from the equation.

Jax has the same SOS, and are playing the Browns. Root for Jax next week.

All the other 7-8 teams (Carolina, Miami, and Tennessee) have significantly stronger SOS.

Assuming San Fran takes care of business, and I'd be Jax wins as well, that pick won't change even if the Bears win. Longshot they move up a slot or two if they lose and either Oakland or Buffalo win.

I think 10th is where the pick ends up.

Paladin
12-28-2009, 09:34 PM
At 6-9, it's now 10th.

http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html

Out of the 7 win teams, San Fran (weaker SOS) is home to StL. So hopefully that's win #8 for them and removes them from the equation.

Jax has the same SOS, and are playing the Browns. Root for Jax next week.

All the other 7-8 teams (Carolina, Miami, and Tennessee) have significantly stronger SOS.

Assuming San Fran takes care of business, and I'd be Jax wins as well, that pick won't change even if the Bears win. Longshot they move up a slot or two if they lose and either Oakland or Buffalo win.

I think 10th is where the pick ends up.

Still a decent pick to trade......

Finger Roll
12-28-2009, 09:34 PM
the 10th pick with a 7-9 record?

watermock
12-28-2009, 09:35 PM
How is that Seattle pick doing poops?

TheDave
12-28-2009, 09:38 PM
<TABLE style="WIDTH: 524px; HEIGHT: 883px" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">#
</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Team
</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>W-L
</SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>Opp W-L %</SMALL>
</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD>1</TD><TD>St. Louis</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center">1-14
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center">.525
</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD>2</TD><TD>Detroit </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center">2-13 </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center">.517 </TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD>3
</TD><TD>Kansas City </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>3-12 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.521</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD><DT>4
</DT></TD><TD><DT>Tampa Bay </DT></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>3-12</SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.558</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD><DT>5 </DT></TD><TD><DT>Washington </DT></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>4-11</SMALL> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.500</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD><DT>6 </DT></TD><TD><DT>Cleveland </DT></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>4-11</SMALL> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.504</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)">7</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)">Seattle</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>5-10 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.475</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)"><TD><DT>8
</DT></TD><TD>Buffalo</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>5-10 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.517</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)"><TD>9
</TD><TD>Oakland</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>5-10 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.521</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">10
</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL></SMALL>Denver (from Chicago)</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>6-9 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.492</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)">11</TD><TD>San Francisco<SMALL> </SMALL><SMALL></SMALL><SMALL></SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>7-8
</SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.483</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD>12</TD><TD><SMALL></SMALL>Jacksonville<SMALL></SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>7-8 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.492</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: left">13
</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL></SMALL><SMALL></SMALL><SMALL></SMALL><SMALL></SMALL>Tennessee</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>7-8 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.546</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL>14</SMALL> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL></SMALL>San Francisco (<SMALL>from Carolina)</SMALL>
<SMALL></SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">7-8</SMALL> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">.550</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD>15</TD><TD><SMALL></SMALL><SMALL></SMALL><SMALL>Miami</SMALL><SMALL></SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>7-8 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.554</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">16
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL></SMALL>Pittsburgh<SMALL></SMALL></TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>8-7 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.479</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL>17</SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Atlanta</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>8-7 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.508</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL>18</SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL></SMALL><SMALL></SMALL><SMALL>Houston</SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL>8-7</SMALL>
</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.517 </SMALL></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL>19
</SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL>Baltimore</SMALL> </TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>8-7
</SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">.521</SMALL>
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL>20</SMALL>
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL></SMALL><SMALL style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">New York Jets</SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>8-7 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.525</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">21 </TD><TD>Seattle (from Denver)<SMALL></SMALL> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>8-7 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.529</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">22 </TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL></SMALL><SMALL></SMALL>New York Giants</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>8-7 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.542</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL>23</SMALL>
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Green Bay</SMALL> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>10-5</SMALL> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.433</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">24 </TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Arizona</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>10-5 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.442</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD>25</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Cincinnati<SMALL></SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>10-5 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.471</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">26
</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Dallas</SMALL> </TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>10-5 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.500</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">27
</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL></SMALL>New England</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>10-5 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">.513</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD>28</TD><TD><SMALL>Minnesota</SMALL><SMALL></SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>11-4 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.433</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">29</SMALL>
</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top"><SMALL>Philadelphia</SMALL> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>11-4</SMALL> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.483</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD>30
</TD><TD>San Diego<SMALL></SMALL> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>12-3 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.454</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold"><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">31
</TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">New Orleans </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>13-2</SMALL> </TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.425</SMALL> </TD></TR><TR><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">32
</TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top">Indianapolis
<SMALL></SMALL></TD><TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>14-1 </SMALL></TD><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; TEXT-ALIGN: center"><SMALL>.471</SMALL> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

RhymesayersDU
12-28-2009, 09:38 PM
This will be one of the most important offseasons in team history.

A high pick disproportionate with where we finished. An average or slightly above-average team that has some holes but by no means is terrible. A new coach trying to fit the pieces together and mold the team in his image.

Some players who will need to be signed as well, Doom, BMarsh, etc. There will be a lot of moving pieces to this offseason, but then again I suppose there always are.

NFLBRONCO
12-28-2009, 09:39 PM
At 6-9, it's now 10th.

http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html

Out of the 7 win teams, San Fran (weaker SOS) is home to StL. So hopefully that's win #8 for them and removes them from the equation.

Jax has the same SOS, and are playing the Browns. Root for Jax next week.

All the other 7-8 teams (Carolina, Miami, and Tennessee) have significantly stronger SOS.

Assuming San Fran takes care of business, and I'd be Jax wins as well, that pick won't change even if the Bears win. Longshot they move up a slot or two if they lose and either Oakland or Buffalo win.

I think 10th is where the pick ends up.

Thanks Herc 10 is ok

Hercules Rockefeller
12-28-2009, 09:47 PM
Worst case is probably 12th, that would be if SF loses and Jax loses.

bpc
12-28-2009, 09:56 PM
Damn. We could have had the 10th and 21st picks.

Flip the trade and we could have Haden, CB from UF who is a much better every down player with size, speed, and playmaking ability vs. A. Smith.

I've watched McClain a bunch. I'm not as high on him as some. Motor runs too hot and cold. He actually reminds me a little bit of DJ... more like a Chris Claiborne though. Vastly talented, I don't always see him running to the whistle.

Denver needs to draw a line in the sand and find out what we want to build this team around. From last offseason, we pointed towards the defensive side of the ball. I'm fine with that, but it means we should probably be looking front 7 defender with our first overall pick. I'd gladly take Derrick Morgan and kick Robert Ayers down to one of the DE spots.

Play2win
12-29-2009, 05:40 AM
The #10 + #21 would still make SUH out of touch-- I think. So, other than that, who knows, Fonzie Smith might turn into the real deal next year and be worth the pick.

If we had a chance to nab SUH with both of our first round picks, that would have been a much more bitter pill to swallow.

Play2win
12-29-2009, 05:46 AM
If we just drafted almost exclusively in the trenches, both offensively and defensively, we could probably make major waves real soon. Oline and Dline. No skill players on offense or defense (including TE, LBs), just fill out the lines with starter material, and then depth.

That would change the whole complexity of our entire team. TRENCHES...

Denver724
12-29-2009, 07:27 AM
If we just drafted almost exclusively in the trenches, both offensively and defensively, we could probably make major waves real soon. Oline and Dline. No skill players on offense or defense (including TE, LBs), just fill out the lines with starter material, and then depth.

That would change the whole complexity of our entire team. TRENCHES...

I think that DL are the hardest to evaluate and hit on. Easier said than done.

spdirty
12-29-2009, 07:38 AM
If we just drafted almost exclusively in the trenches, both offensively and defensively, we could probably make major waves real soon. Oline and Dline. No skill players on offense or defense (including TE, LBs), just fill out the lines with starter material, and then depth.

That would change the whole complexity of our entire team. TRENCHES...
yeah I think priority number 1 should be interior o-line, which should be addressed through free agency and start at round 2 in the draft, after that go front 7. Havent paid any attention to McClain but I just want a front 7 stud or safety stud with that first pick.

HILife
12-29-2009, 08:54 AM
Worst case is probably 12th, that would be if SF loses and Jax loses.

Actually at worse it would be 11th. Jax's S.O.S. is .492 and so is chicago's.

Chicago plays 2-13 Lions
Jax play 4-11 Cleveland.

Even if Bears win (making Lions 2-14) and Jax lose (making Cleveland 5-11) Bears S.O.S. will drop more then Jax.

And there you have it.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-29-2009, 08:55 AM
yeah I think priority number 1 should be interior o-line, which should be addressed through free agency and start at round 2 in the draft, after that go front 7. Havent paid any attention to McClain but I just want a front 7 stud or safety stud with that first pick.

I'd take a front 7 guy, though im not opposed to drafting a QB if McD loves one in that spot.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-29-2009, 09:24 AM
Actually at worse it would be 11th. Jax's S.O.S. is .492 and so is chicago's.

Chicago plays 2-13 Lions
Jax play 4-11 Cleveland.

Even if Bears win (making Lions 2-14) and Jax lose (making Cleveland 5-11) Bears S.O.S. will drop more then Jax.

And there you have it.

GBN uses the entire schedule when they calculate SOS, the final game has already been incorporated into the SOS they published.

You also have to add in that all their other prior opponents' records will change one more time, the SOS thing is not so cut and dry at this point with teams who have the same SOS.

HILife
12-29-2009, 10:30 AM
GBN uses the entire schedule when they calculate SOS, the final game has already been incorporated into the SOS they published.

You also have to add in that all their other prior opponents' records will change one more time, the SOS thing is not so cut and dry at this point with teams who have the same SOS.

Good point. I didn't think about that.

KevinJames
12-29-2009, 10:34 AM
I think we need to draft another offensive weapon if we miss out on a defensive stud.

Rabb
12-29-2009, 10:42 AM
and I thought this place melted down last draft, can't wait to see this season

Dagmar
12-29-2009, 10:47 AM
I've noticed most mock drafts have us taking a LB. McClain usually (except one that predicted the Bears pick would be 21!!)

Old Dude
12-29-2009, 10:48 AM
Do the Broncos have all of their picks for the remaining rounds, or were one or more of those traded away already?

Ray Finkle
12-29-2009, 10:50 AM
Do the Broncos have all of their picks for the remaining rounds, or were one or more of those traded away already?

I believe they are only missing their 1st.

Dagmar
12-29-2009, 10:58 AM
Do the Broncos have all of their picks for the remaining rounds, or were one or more of those traded away already?

Bleacher report says we do.

And this was their mock

1. Sam Bradford, Quarterback, Oklahoma
2. Corey Wootton, Defensive End, Northwestern
3. Vince Oghobaase, Defensive End, Duke
4. Myron Rolle, Safety, Florida State
5. Walter Thurmond, Cornerback, Oregon
6. Tony Moeaki, Tight End, Iowa
7. Justin Walton, Center, Baylor

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-29-2009, 11:02 AM
Bleacher report says we do.

And this was their mock

1. Sam Bradford, Quarterback, Oklahoma
2. Corey Wootton, Defensive End, Northwestern
3. Vince Oghobaase, Defensive End, Duke
4. Myron Rolle, Safety, Florida State
5. Walter Thurmond, Cornerback, Oregon
6. Tony Moeaki, Tight End, Iowa
7. Justin Walton, Center, Baylor

I would have babies if that panned out.

ward63
12-29-2009, 11:05 AM
QB wins championships now! Get a great QB and I believe McD will find one he loves

Hercules Rockefeller
12-29-2009, 11:37 AM
No pick in the 5th

2 7ths- the Pats

Undisclosed pick traded to the Pats for Hochstein, which I would guess is one of those 7ths

Hercules Rockefeller
12-29-2009, 11:37 AM
Get a great QB and I believe McD will find one he loves

Because those are just so easy to find

Beantown Bronco
12-29-2009, 11:38 AM
No pick in the 5th


?

Hercules Rockefeller
12-29-2009, 11:39 AM
?

Denver 5th to NE for LeKevin Smith and the Pats 7th

Dagmar
12-29-2009, 11:41 AM
Denver 5th to NE for LeKevin Smith and the Pats 7th

Ah.

elsid13
12-29-2009, 11:41 AM
Do the Broncos have all of their picks for the remaining rounds, or were one or more of those traded away already?

We don't have a 5th.

Beantown Bronco
12-29-2009, 11:41 AM
Denver 5th to NE for LeKevin Smith and the Pats 7th

Ah, yes. Forgot about LeKevin. Yuck.

Thanks.

NFLBRONCO
12-29-2009, 11:50 AM
How do we approach draft if Bowlen is major penny pincher in 2010. Do we trade down for more picks? Or take a flier on a QB?

Pat Bowlen
12-29-2009, 12:54 PM
I'm prepared to go balls-out this year, even if it means I have to sell a couple of the yachts.

Garcia Bronco
12-29-2009, 01:01 PM
I'm prepared to go balls-out this year, even if it means I have to sell a couple of the yachts.

Give'em hell PAt.

HILife
12-29-2009, 01:34 PM
I'm prepared to go balls-out this year, even if it means I have to sell a couple of the yachts.

Pat, where's that $2 mil I loaned you a few months back when you were low on cash? It's time to pay up with interest. I only accept unmarked bills.

TonyR
12-29-2009, 02:24 PM
...if Bowlen is major penny pincher in 2010...

Keep in mind that he have most, or all, of Shanahan's salary off the books next year.

NFLBRONCO
12-29-2009, 02:47 PM
Keep in mind that he have most, or all, of Shanahan's salary off the books next year.

If Shanny wants to stick it to Bowlen and a smart new employer would be well aware of contract and get him at a huge bargain for 2 yrs. I'll still not sure Bowlen will open his wallet real wide in 2010 we'll see.

Breaker
12-29-2009, 03:03 PM
Bleacher report says we do.

And this was their mock

1. Sam Bradford, Quarterback, Oklahoma
2. Corey Wootton, Defensive End, Northwestern
3. Vince Oghobaase, Defensive End, Duke
4. Myron Rolle, Safety, Florida State
5. Walter Thurmond, Cornerback, Oregon
6. Tony Moeaki, Tight End, Iowa
7. Justin Walton, Center, Baylor

Rolle will not last until the 4th round. The kid would have been a 2cnd if he had not gone to do the Rhodes Scholar thing. He is a least a third and probably a second.

Paladin
12-29-2009, 03:37 PM
i'm prepared to go balls-out this year, even if it means i have to sell a couple of the yachts.

lol!!!!

Paladin
12-29-2009, 03:40 PM
If Shanny wants to stick it to Bowlen and a smart new employer would be well aware of contract and get him at a huge bargain for 2 yrs. I'll still not sure Bowlen will open his wallet real wide in 2010 we'll see.

I don't think Shanahan is that conniving and would not bust his friend that way.

baja
12-29-2009, 06:47 PM
I'm prepared to go balls-out this year, even if it means I have to sell a couple of the yachts.

You gave those yachts to Shanahan and me, remember?

NFLBRONCO
01-03-2010, 10:25 AM
Who do we want to win today SF Jax Det

With the 12th pick in 2010 draft Den selects:

SoDak Bronco
01-03-2010, 05:32 PM
where did we end up with the Bears winning?

TheDave
01-03-2010, 05:35 PM
where did we end up with the Bears winning?

10 if the jets win... 10/11 coin flip if cinci wins.

SoDak Bronco
01-03-2010, 05:38 PM
Thanks Dave..I saw we are at 14 with the Phonz pick...I thought that was he was a solid player when we got him, this year he didn't do ****. hopefully he can bring his game to a diff. level next season. Go JETS!!

colonelbeef
01-03-2010, 05:39 PM
10 if the jets win... 10/11 coin flip if cinci wins.

Watch McDaniels take a receiver.

:hitself: ::)

TheDave
01-03-2010, 05:40 PM
Thanks Dave..I saw we are at 14 with the Phonz pick...I thought that was he was a solid player when we got him, this year he didn't do ****. hopefully he can bring his game to a diff. level next season. Go JETS!!

14th pick in this draft is going to hold a lot of value... Phonz better be a player next season.

TheDave
01-03-2010, 05:41 PM
Watch McDaniels take a receiver.

:hitself: ::)

If he trades Brandon Marshall, don't be surprised.

bpc
01-03-2010, 05:42 PM
3rd or 4th rated CB, who got little playing time down the stretch when we could have held the 1st round pick and had a chance to draft a better overall prospect, the 1st CB on the board in Haden.

Genius McD.

SureShot
01-03-2010, 05:43 PM
I will take Dez Bryant. The next QB will be able to utilize him.

Denver724
01-03-2010, 05:51 PM
14th pick in this draft is going to hold a lot of value... Phonz better be a player next season.

Giving up this pick for Smith is a ****ing joke. I can't believe it. I have always wanted the Broncos to be on the receiving end of one of these trades. We are now on the giving end and I don't like it at all. #14. Absolute BS. **** you MCD!

bpc
01-03-2010, 05:53 PM
We would have held a bunch of cards in the draft with those two picks plus one potentially coming up for Marshall.

The MVPlaya
01-03-2010, 05:53 PM
Dez Bryant... if we don't keep Marshall. If we do... let's trade up for Berry/Suh

Finger Roll
01-03-2010, 05:59 PM
at least we get to pick a few spots higher up in round 2

epicSocialism4tw
01-03-2010, 06:04 PM
Watch McDaniels take a receiver.

:hitself: ::)

If he passes over Sam Bradford, I'm officially at odds with Josh McD.

Ambiguous
01-03-2010, 06:06 PM
at least we get to pick a few spots higher up in round 2

Now I feel better. :)