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Denver724
12-20-2009, 07:03 PM
Just something I have been thinking about today after the loss. Orton just isn't dynamic enough to win the big games. I just don't think he has it in him. Unfortunately, I don't think McD would ever draft one early.

tsiguy96
12-20-2009, 07:04 PM
i like orton as much as the rest, i am just starting to believe this too. hes good and can win games in the NFL, its just hard to put the game in his hands.

bpc
12-20-2009, 07:05 PM
This is something we knew when he threw 3 or 4 INT's against SF before halftime in a preseason game.

The guy is gritty. I appreciate that about him. That's where my admiration ends. He'd be a nice backup QB... unfortunately he's a starter. For us. And our playoff aspirations.

Sucks to be us right now.

We should draft a QB rather high in this draft. Unfortunately, we back at square 1 where we were in 2006 with Plummer and then fresh faced Jay. Now we have to re-endure the learning curve all over but that's okay because it's McArrogants turn to nurse a young QB from his tit for two or three years... supposing that he's still here.

rugbythug
12-20-2009, 07:06 PM
Is it just me or Does Orton have like Vertigo or something. A stiff breeze knocks him down. When a play happens like it is drawn up he is all world. If it does n't he is pretty bad.

bpc
12-20-2009, 07:06 PM
i like orton as much as the rest, i am just starting to believe this too. hes good and can win games in the NFL, its just hard to put the game in his hands.

WOW. First good take you've ever posted. Thank ****ing god you saw the light. It's only week 15.

Crushaholic
12-20-2009, 07:19 PM
We would have won if the defense found a way to stop F'N Jamarcus Russell...

Just sayin'...

~Crash~
12-20-2009, 07:22 PM
Orton is the best Back QB in the league .

Finger Roll
12-20-2009, 07:22 PM
I hope we pick one in round 1 or 2. We also need a deep threat and some guards/centers who can block

SoCalBronco
12-20-2009, 07:24 PM
When Locker elected to stay in school it KILLED me. He's the special one. With Chicago losing games, we could have had a shot at him. He's going to be so awesome. He's still raw ofcourse....but he's so gifted its crazy and for the people that believe in the "it"/"charisma" factor (I don't....I don't think its worth anything), he had that in spades, too.

I'm just so bummed out about his absence in this draft. I really wanted that guy. Working with a quality QB coach like Josh, he would have been a one man gang. I dont particularly care for the other prospects too much....I suppose among the others.....Clausen would probably be the best fit, given that he has several years of experience in the same system and has shown tremendous growth as a player in said system. He's still nowhere near as talented as Locker, but I guess we gotta get what we can.

lex
12-20-2009, 07:25 PM
When Locker elected to stay in school it KILLED me. He's the special one. With Chicago losing games, we could have had a shot at him. He's going to be so awesome. He's still raw ofcourse....but he's so gifted its crazy and for the people that believe in the "it"/"charisma" factor (I don't....I don't think its worth anything), he had that in spades, too.

I'm just so bummed out about his absence in this draft. I really wanted that guy. Working with a quality QB coach like Josh, he would have been a one man gang. I dont particularly care for the other prospects too much....I suppose among the others.....Clausen would probably be the best fit, given that he has several years of experience in the same system and has shown tremendous growth as a player in said system. He's still nowhere near as talented as Locker, but I guess we gotta get what we can.

You were a little early with your mea culpa.

tsiguy96
12-20-2009, 07:26 PM
WOW. First good take you've ever posted. Thank ****ing god you saw the light. It's only week 15.

no, youre "take" is 100% different. you think he loses games and is an awful QB. thats simply not the case. hes a good QB and does his job very well, but it would be nice to have a QB who can do a bit more. orton seems very robotic, not fluid back there.

Bronco LB52
12-20-2009, 07:29 PM
I don't think either Bradford or Clausen are worthy of a top-15 pick.

Orton isn't the long-term answer, but I think he might be Denver's best bet for 2010. The 2011 QB class is where you might strike gold, not the upcoming draft.

cabronco
12-20-2009, 07:29 PM
Can we pick a coach too. One that utilizes the talent on the team and gets the most out of them. Or are we stuck with dink, dunk, and stuffed again for no gain.

SoCalBronco
12-20-2009, 07:30 PM
You were a little early with your mea culpa.

Nah....I think Josh has still done a good job, overall. Obviously this loss hurts, but he's having to coach with a line in transition between schemes and with some major injuries. Obviously, they need to be more efficient on the goalline (and maybe get Hillis some carries in those situations) and that's his responsibility, but overall, I'm fine with the coaching on both sides of the ball. From a personnel standpoint, I still would love to have Jay, back...but Josh is still proving me wrong on the coaching side of things. We'll see what happens. I think they still will be able to get in the playoffs. Perhaps we can get your boys (the Pouncey twins) to help us cure these redzone/goalline problems for next year.

Finger Roll
12-20-2009, 07:32 PM
When Locker elected to stay in school it KILLED me. He's the special one. With Chicago losing games, we could have had a shot at him. He's going to be so awesome. He's still raw ofcourse....but he's so gifted its crazy and for the people that believe in the "it"/"charisma" factor (I don't....I don't think its worth anything), he had that in spades, too.

I'm just so bummed out about his absence in this draft. I really wanted that guy. Working with a quality QB coach like Josh, he would have been a one man gang. I dont particularly care for the other prospects too much....I suppose among the others.....Clausen would probably be the best fit, given that he has several years of experience in the same system and has shown tremendous growth as a player in said system. He's still nowhere near as talented as Locker, but I guess we gotta get what we can.

Yeah that pissed me off as well. I wouldn't mind having Clausen or Bradford either. Both bring alot more to the table than Orton.

KipCorrington25
12-20-2009, 07:33 PM
He would be a great back up or if we just want to settle for field goals constantly he is the man to lead you to them!

Finger Roll
12-20-2009, 07:35 PM
I don't think either Bradford or Clausen are worthy of a top-15 pick.

Orton isn't the long-term answer, but I think he might be Denver's best bet for 2010. The 2011 QB class is where you might strike gold, not the upcoming draft.

I doubt we will have the chance to draft a top tier qb in 2011.

Bronco LB52
12-20-2009, 07:36 PM
I doubt we will have the chance to draft a top tier qb in 2011.

Sometimes a decent one like Aaron Rodgers or Dan Marino falls down to the bottom portion of the first round.

lex
12-20-2009, 07:37 PM
Nah....I think Josh has still done a good job, overall. Obviously this loss hurts, but he's having to coach with a line in transition between schemes and with some major injuries. Obviously, they need to be more efficient on the goalline (and maybe get Hillis some carries in those situations) and that's his responsibility, but overall, I'm fine with the coaching on both sides of the ball. I still would love to have Jay, back...but Josh is still proving me wrong on the coaching side of things. We'll see what happens. I think they still will be able to get in the playoffs. Perhaps we can get your boys (the Pouncey twins) to help us cure these redzone/goalline problems for next year.

"Having to"...? This has been full blown stubbornness that has set people up for failure. The defense has held its own for the most part but in order to justify the grand changes, the offense should be a lot better than this. In fact, its not really even as good as last year.

If he is angling at scheme diverse players, I agree but I have the impression he wants to ditch the ZBS because its not his own. And his slavish devotion to his system and totall dismissiveness when it comes to working with the what he has, has put the idea out there that its such a fixation that he is willing to trash a season of opportunity.

Denver724
12-20-2009, 07:37 PM
i like orton as much as the rest, i am just starting to believe this too. hes good and can win games in the NFL, its just hard to put the game in his hands.

Well said. McD cannot put the team on his back and say, "Win the game".

elsid13
12-20-2009, 07:40 PM
When Locker elected to stay in school it KILLED me. He's the special one. With Chicago losing games, we could have had a shot at him. He's going to be so awesome. He's still raw ofcourse....but he's so gifted its crazy and for the people that believe in the "it"/"charisma" factor (I don't....I don't think its worth anything), he had that in spades, too.

I'm just so bummed out about his absence in this draft. I really wanted that guy. Working with a quality QB coach like Josh, he would have been a one man gang. I dont particularly care for the other prospects too much....I suppose among the others.....Clausen would probably be the best fit, given that he has several years of experience in the same system and has shown tremendous growth as a player in said system. He's still nowhere near as talented as Locker, but I guess we gotta get what we can.

Without Locker and Mallet this QB class is so-so. I rather wait on Canfield (OSU) later in the draft then reach for Bradford or Clausen.

Sassy
12-20-2009, 07:42 PM
We would have won if the defense found a way to stop F'N Jamarcus Russell...

Just sayin'...

When you have them at 4th and 10 and give them ten....

DBroncos4life
12-20-2009, 07:55 PM
I don't think either Bradford or Clausen are worthy of a top-15 pick.

Orton isn't the long-term answer, but I think he might be Denver's best bet for 2010. The 2011 QB class is where you might strike gold, not the upcoming draft.

I don't know how you can say Bradford isn't worth a top 15 pick. He would have been the first QB taken last year and had he not got hurt he would be a top two pick in this years draft. You would be hard pressed to find a smarter more accurate QB in the last few drafts then Bradford

lex
12-20-2009, 07:57 PM
I don't know how you can say Bradford isn't worth a top 15 pick. He would have been the first QB taken last year and had he not got hurt he would be a top two pick in this years draft. You would be hard pressed to find a smarter more accurate QB in the last few drafts then Bradford

Are you sure his shoulder is ok? It has some people worried.

BroncoSojia
12-20-2009, 07:58 PM
Look at the accuracy and ball placement on these throws


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A few of them in tight windows.

Orton couldn't make throws like that in his dreams.

Bronco LB52
12-20-2009, 08:04 PM
I don't know how you can say Bradford isn't worth a top 15 pick. He would have been the first QB taken last year and had he not got hurt he would be a top two pick in this years draft. You would be hard pressed to find a smarter more accurate QB in the last few drafts then Bradford

He doesn't have the strongest arm and his foot work and mobility is okay, nothing exceptional. Bradford is still a guy that needs time and a comfortable pocket to orchestrate his accurate throws.

bloodsunday
12-20-2009, 08:09 PM
I don't know where you find one, but it sure seems we need to try. As Bill Parcels says, you can't call a 1-800 # and order a QB. Drafting one in the first round is no guarantee either.

That said, it's pretty obvious that its a QB league. Your other playoff teams: Palmer, Flacco, Peyton, McNabb, Rivers, Brees, Brady, Favre, Romo, Warner, and Rodgers. See the commonality there? To be honest, I don't think San Diego would be a .500 team with Orton at QB. Rivers IS the engine of that team and CARRIES them. I mean that more as a compliment to Rivers than a slight to Orton. San Diego has a below average defense and they don't run the ball near as well as they used to. But Rivers just makes big play after big play.

Ambiguous
12-20-2009, 08:09 PM
When Locker elected to stay in school it KILLED me. He's the special one. With Chicago losing games, we could have had a shot at him. He's going to be so awesome. He's still raw ofcourse....but he's so gifted its crazy and for the people that believe in the "it"/"charisma" factor (I don't....I don't think its worth anything), he had that in spades, too.

I'm just so bummed out about his absence in this draft. I really wanted that guy. Working with a quality QB coach like Josh, he would have been a one man gang. I dont particularly care for the other prospects too much....I suppose among the others.....Clausen would probably be the best fit, given that he has several years of experience in the same system and has shown tremendous growth as a player in said system. He's still nowhere near as talented as Locker, but I guess we gotta get what we can.

Don't get too down on it, we'll probably suck next year too. :)

epicSocialism4tw
12-20-2009, 08:35 PM
Look at the accuracy and ball placement on these throws


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A few of them in tight windows.

Orton couldn't make throws like that in his dreams.

Bradford is a machine. This kid makes throws with all sorts of different touch...from tight-rope lasers to perfectly arched long balls. Slants, outs, fly routes...he throws them all well. His timing is impeccable, his release is quick. He's very smart, a high character kid, and comes from a football family. He's a great hurry-up offense commander. He's tall (6'4") with a medium frame (with room for growth). He's good in the red zone.

The Denver Broncos franchise may have lucked out with his injury. There is a legit possibility that he slips down far enough for Denver to grab.

colonelbeef
12-20-2009, 08:49 PM
Champ to the raiders. I bet we could get gradkowski and a 2nd out of Davis.

Something about that guy. He just needs better coaching and a few receivers

Florida_Bronco
12-20-2009, 08:57 PM
How do you look at Orton after this loss and say we need to draft his replacement early?

epicSocialism4tw
12-20-2009, 09:01 PM
How do you look at Orton after this loss and say we need to draft his replacement early?

Because Orton is not a difference maker, and this is not the 2000 Baltimore Ravens or 1985 Chicago Bears. This isnt even the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or the NY Giants team that beat the Patriots.

Broncos4tw
12-20-2009, 09:03 PM
no, youre "take" is 100% different. you think he loses games and is an awful QB. thats simply not the case. hes a good QB and does his job very well, but it would be nice to have a QB who can do a bit more. orton seems very robotic, not fluid back there If it was a good QB that did his job very well, this wouldn't be an issue. What a laughable comment. "He is great, but he sucks."

Why don't you admit it. He is AVERAGE. >>A-v-e-r-a-g-e<<

If he has good protection, he can make normal throws that hell, you'd expect ANY QB in the league to make, including backups. His downfield throws have been to players completely open. As in, no one within 10 yards of them. Most of his longer passes this year have been YAC. He can thank Marshall for inflating his #'s. He strongly reminds me of a less sulky Griese.

Cutler was too erratic. Orton is too safe. The first hint of a sack, and he collapses in a heap. This is something that will never win the important games. Good QBs can step up and make plays. Like Big Ben stepping up with two guys hanging on him, and completing a shovel pass for a first down. Intuition, guts, and a desire to win no matter what. He does not have this. He has a strong desire to not make a mistake no matter what. This will not win championships.

I like his personality. Not necessarily his attitude. I don't think he has a winner's mentality. Remember Elway playing? When it got tough, his eyes got as big as saucers, and you KNEW something very cool was about to happen. On third and long, you had a feeling you were going to get it more often than not. It's the exact opposite with Orton.

All that said.. we should not replace him unless we can get someone significantly better. Why bother? Waste of money and time. Get a QB we can actually train up and live with for years. Don't get a filler for our filler. But omg.. do NOT offer this guy a huge contract, that would be a disaster.

MplsBronco
12-20-2009, 10:15 PM
Well ****, I thought we gave up 240 yards on the ground today, were unable to convert any kind of a consistent run game (esp short yardage), and couldn't stop the ****tiest QB in the league with the game on the line. But yeah, let's draft a QB!

DBroncos4life
12-20-2009, 10:18 PM
Well ****, I thought we gave up 240 yards on the ground today, were unable to convert any kind of a consistent run game (esp short yardage), and couldn't stop the ****tiest QB in the league with the game on the line. But yeah, let's draft a QB!

We did give up 240 yards and lost by a point. A better QB scores us TDs in the RZ and we win simple as that. How often do you see Manning, Rivers, Brees, Brady and Favre not score TDs in the RZ?

Chris
12-20-2009, 10:20 PM
We need a center and a left guard before we talk about a QB.

Florida_Bronco
12-20-2009, 10:23 PM
We need a center and a left guard before we talk about a QB.

Agreed, although Olsen looked like he might have a future here and I would like to see Gorin replace Polumbus.

penguintheory
12-20-2009, 10:26 PM
When Locker elected to stay in school it KILLED me. He's the special one.

Totally disagree. No brains, all body. Then again, you loved Cutler till the bitter end.

DBroncos4life
12-20-2009, 10:29 PM
We need a center and a left guard before we talk about a QB.

Because guards and centers have such a huge history of being picked in the top ten. On Draft countdown the top guard is the 31st rated player. That seems like a reach at the number 5-10 range.

ZONA
12-20-2009, 10:31 PM
I don't know how you can say Bradford isn't worth a top 15 pick. He would have been the first QB taken last year and had he not got hurt he would be a top two pick in this years draft. You would be hard pressed to find a smarter more accurate QB in the last few drafts then Bradford

In fact, I hope his injury makes him fall this year. He would be a steal if we landed him. I still like the upside of Brandstater but having Bradford also would be sweet. But if we keep Orton, that means we are paying him and I don't think we would draft a QB in the first few rounds just because of salary. We might cut Simms and pick up another QB later to compete with Brandstater.

MplsBronco
12-21-2009, 06:59 AM
We did give up 240 yards and lost by a point. A better QB scores us TDs in the RZ and we win simple as that. How often do you see Manning, Rivers, Brees, Brady and Favre not score TDs in the RZ?

I haven't looked at the numbers, but how many running TDs do those teams have compared to Denver? It's a copout to blame Orton. He could be better, no doubt, but it would be nice to have a power running game for once. I also don't see the coaches creating mismatches or misdirection type stuff in the RZ. Orton is the least of our worries, imo.

colonelbeef
12-21-2009, 07:30 AM
If it was a good QB that did his job very well, this wouldn't be an issue. What a laughable comment. "He is great, but he sucks."

Why don't you admit it. He is AVERAGE. >>A-v-e-r-a-g-e<<

If he has good protection, he can make normal throws that hell, you'd expect ANY QB in the league to make, including backups. His downfield throws have been to players completely open. As in, no one within 10 yards of them. Most of his longer passes this year have been YAC. He can thank Marshall for inflating his #'s. He strongly reminds me of a less sulky Griese.

Cutler was too erratic. Orton is too safe. The first hint of a sack, and he collapses in a heap. This is something that will never win the important games. Good QBs can step up and make plays. Like Big Ben stepping up with two guys hanging on him, and completing a shovel pass for a first down. Intuition, guts, and a desire to win no matter what. He does not have this. He has a strong desire to not make a mistake no matter what. This will not win championships.

I like his personality. Not necessarily his attitude. I don't think he has a winner's mentality. Remember Elway playing? When it got tough, his eyes got as big as saucers, and you KNEW something very cool was about to happen. On third and long, you had a feeling you were going to get it more often than not. It's the exact opposite with Orton.

All that said.. we should not replace him unless we can get someone significantly better. Why bother? Waste of money and time. Get a QB we can actually train up and live with for years. Don't get a filler for our filler. But omg.. do NOT offer this guy a huge contract, that would be a disaster.

Fantastic post, cosign 100% on all accounts.

colonelbeef
12-21-2009, 07:32 AM
I haven't looked at the numbers, but how many running TDs do those teams have compared to Denver? It's a copout to blame Orton. He could be better, no doubt, but it would be nice to have a power running game for once. I also don't see the coaches creating mismatches or misdirection type stuff in the RZ. Orton is the least of our worries, imo.

Unless you have an absolutely roadgrading OL, the running game is a product of the defense and it's level of respect for the QB and his ability to force defenders away from the line of scrimmage and into the defensive backfield.

Defenses don't respect Orton and his ability to beat them, so they are able to clog up the line with extra defenders to rush both him and the running game.

Need a balance to succeed. Broncos do not possess this balance.

jhns
12-21-2009, 08:08 AM
You guys don't get it though. He is a nice guy. That means we are going to win at least 3 SBs with him. Don't you see how he rallies the team and gets them all to play hard for him. He is a winner that does it all on his own. That is exactly why we beat this crap team yesterday. Don't you guys listen to the fans around here at all?

Orton needs replaced. I get that the line and run game need work. Some act like the passing game was working while the run wasn't though. Were all of those 3-5 play drives all on the run game? How about that sack when Orton had a hand brush him and he fell down? Was that the run game? No? Maybe it was the line. The line that created a perfect pocket for Orton that Orton figured he was to good for and refused to step into.

The people still defending Orton need to pull their heads out... Just look at the passing game plans. They are game plans designed to cover up a weakness at QB. They don't work because we aren't great everywhere else, which is needed with average or below average QB play. This team still has a lot to work on and the QB position is included in that.

randomtask
12-21-2009, 08:11 AM
Does anyone know if Ryan Mallett is going to declare for the draft this year? He's still a little rough around the edges, but has outstanding mid to deep accuracy and arm strength. If he does declare, we should consider him.

Rabb
12-21-2009, 08:12 AM
We did give up 240 yards and lost by a point. A better QB scores us TDs in the RZ and we win simple as that. How often do you see Manning, Rivers, Brees, Brady and Favre not score TDs in the RZ?

pretty sure Orton isn't calling the plays either, McD goes way too conservative in the RZ

that isn't on Kyle

TheElusiveKyleOrton
12-21-2009, 08:14 AM
WOW. First good take you've ever posted. Thank ****ing god you saw the light. It's only week 15.

Ah, so he finally agrees with you, so NOW he has a good take.

What business do you have calling ANYONE arrogant?

And why oh why are you rooting for this to happen rather than rooting for your team to have success? You're a real piece of ****, bpc. Wow.

oubronco
12-21-2009, 08:17 AM
I hope we pick one in round 1 or 2. We also need a deep threat and some guards/centers who can block

sorry but Marshall, Royal, and Stokeley aren't good enough for you Hilarious!

SoonerBronco
12-21-2009, 10:47 AM
He doesn't have the strongest arm and his foot work and mobility is okay, nothing exceptional. Bradford is still a guy that needs time and a comfortable pocket to orchestrate his accurate throws.


It's apparent that you did not see the games he DID play in this year. I've said it a million times, he will be a star in the NFL where ever he goes. I hope he is there when we are on the clock this year.

Denver724
12-21-2009, 11:43 AM
It's apparent that you did not see the games he DID play in this year. I've said it a million times, he will be a star in the NFL where ever he goes. I hope he is there when we are on the clock this year.

I heard Shanny may be looking at him for the Skins if he takes this job. Read on ESPN insider. Probably speculation, but it would be interesting if he did that right in front of us. Here is hoping the Skins win out and Bears lose out. Anyone know where we would pick if the Bears lose the next two games? Of course, depends on other teams performance. What is the best case scenario?

Rohirrim
12-21-2009, 11:56 AM
Yeah, let's bring in a rookie QB so this line can block for him...


wait a minute...


I think I'm getting a signal...

Bronco LB52
12-21-2009, 12:04 PM
It's apparent that you did not see the games he DID play in this year. I've said it a million times, he will be a star in the NFL where ever he goes. I hope he is there when we are on the clock this year.

I watched his games this year. The one game though that still stands out in my mind is his performance against Florida last January when he got pressured all night and couldn't make the plays to help the Sooners win a close game.

I like him in the middle portion of the first round. I think he's a good QB, just not worth a top 12 pick.

BTW, you a Sooner homer who only makes opinions on OU players and you are usually blowing them. You are the one who still believes Jason White should have won the Heisman over Larry Fitzgerald

epicSocialism4tw
12-21-2009, 12:16 PM
I watched his games this year. The one game though that still stands out in my mind is his performance against Florida last January when he got pressured all night and couldn't make the plays to help the Sooners win a close game.

I like him in the middle portion of the first round. I think he's a good QB, just not worth a top 12 pick.

BTW, you a Sooner homer who only makes opinions on OU players and you are usually blowing them. You are the one who still believes Jason White should have won the Heisman over Larry Fitzgerald

Bradford had a strong game against Florida. I'm not sure what you are criticizing.

Bronco LB52
12-21-2009, 12:26 PM
Bradford had a strong game against Florida. I'm not sure what you are criticizing.

Strong game?!!!! He tossed two picks and had a mediocre 122.2 QB rating!

SoonerBronco
12-21-2009, 12:26 PM
I watched his games this year. The one game though that still stands out in my mind is his performance against Florida last January when he got pressured all night and couldn't make the plays to help the Sooners win a close game.

I like him in the middle portion of the first round. I think he's a good QB, just not worth a top 12 pick.

BTW, you a Sooner homer who only makes opinions on OU players and you are usually blowing them. You are the one who still believes Jason White should have won the Heisman over Larry Fitzgerald

Big words from a message board "expert" like yourself.

OU should have been up against Florida in that game 21-7 at half had it not been for some horrendus calls by Kevin Wilson. The two ints he threw were awesome plays by the Florida DB's.

I only make opinions on OU players who continue to get beat down by experts like you. The same experts that said AD would be injury prone and a non factor, not worth a draft pick...etc...

So, throw your personall attacks internet bad boy...I guarantee you would not say that to my face, and that's fine. Whatever makes you feel better.

SoonerBronco
12-21-2009, 12:27 PM
Strong game?!!!! He tossed two picks and had a mediocre 122.2 QB rating!

WTF are you kidding me...keep digging a hole for youself.

epicSocialism4tw
12-21-2009, 12:32 PM
Strong game?!!!! He tossed two picks and had a mediocre 122.2 QB rating!

He completed 64% of his passes for 256 yards and both of Oklahoma's TD's.

If you watched that game like you said you did, you would have seen Oklahoma's WR's (including the one-armed #1) dropping balls all over the field.

That wasnt the only big game that Bradford has played in either, so you can nit-pick away but you really have no idea what youre talking about.

SoonerBronco
12-21-2009, 12:33 PM
and the guy has the douche bag Dale Carter as his avatar nonetheless...

SoonerBronco
12-21-2009, 12:33 PM
He completed 64% of his passes for 256 yards and both of Oklahoma's TD's.

If you watched that game like you said you did, you would have seen Oklahoma's WR's (including the one-armed #1) dropping balls all over the field.

That wasnt the only big game that Bradford has played in either, so you can nit-pick away but you really have no idea what youre talking about.

He's like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest....

Bronco LB52
12-21-2009, 12:40 PM
Big words from a message board "expert" like yourself.

OU should have been up against Florida in that game 21-7 at half had it not been for some horrendus calls by Kevin Wilson. The two ints he threw were awesome plays by the Florida DB's.

I only make opinions on OU players who continue to get beat down by experts like you. The same experts that said AD would be injury prone and a non factor, not worth a draft pick...etc...

So, throw your personall attacks internet bad boy...I guarantee you would not say that to my face, and that's fine. Whatever makes you feel better.

I picked All Day with the fourth overall pick in the 2007 Orange Mane mock draft so you are talking to the wrong person.

BTW, I have said Sam Bradford is worthy of a mid-first round pick, which is hardly a slap to his face or an indictment of his skills or talent.

Bronco LB52
12-21-2009, 12:41 PM
He completed 64% of his passes for 256 yards and both of Oklahoma's TD's.

If you watched that game like you said you did, you would have seen Oklahoma's WR's (including the one-armed #1) dropping balls all over the field.

That wasnt the only big game that Bradford has played in either, so you can nit-pick away but you really have no idea what youre talking about.

It was a decent showing, but not a "great" performance like you indicated before.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-21-2009, 12:44 PM
Here is hoping the Skins win out and Bears lose out. Anyone know where we would pick if the Bears lose the next two games? Of course, depends on other teams performance. What is the best case scenario?

Absolute best case scenario for just the draft pick, regardless of Denver's playoff chances since it would require a KC win in Week 16?

Skins win 2 of 3 (NYG, Dal, @SD): 6-10
Cleveland wins out (Oak, Jax): 5-11, SOS is currently stronger
KC wins out (@Cincy, @Den): 5-11, SOS is currently stronger
Seattle win 1 of 2 (@GB, Tenn): 6-10

They pick 4th if that happens, assuming that there are no 5-11 teams whose SOS is currently stronger than Chicago's that then becomes weaker based on the last 2 games.

Realistic is Chicago going 6-10 (L-Minn and W-@Det).

San Fran is 6-8, should be 8-8 after Detroit and StL.
Oakland should beat Cleveland giving them 6, they'll have a better SOS.

My guess is 8th or 9th at this point. Chicago going 1-1 over the last two games isn't going to move the pick that much. 0-2 probably won't move it up much because there's really no one that can jump them. 2-0 would move it outside the Top 10.

SoonerBronco
12-21-2009, 12:47 PM
I picked All Day with the fourth overall pick in the 2007 Orange Mane mock draft so you are talking to the wrong person.

BTW, I have said Sam Bradford is worthy of a mid-first round pick, which is hardly a slap to his face or an indictment of his skills or talent.

Now you back track...how nice.

Bronco LB52
12-21-2009, 12:49 PM
Now you back track...how nice.

Back track???

Post 52

I like him in the middle portion of the first round. I think he's a good QB, just not worth a top 12 pick.

DBroncos4life
12-21-2009, 12:57 PM
I a Husker fan and I think Bradford is the type of QB that could come in and run a system like the Colts use with Manning with great success. He strikes me as a guy that is smart enough to make calls at the line in a hurry up O.

DBroncos4life
12-21-2009, 12:59 PM
Yeah, let's bring in a rookie QB so this line can block for him...


wait a minute...


I think I'm getting a signal...

So you feel there is a OG or a C in the draft worthy of a top ten pick? Could you give the name of said player?

Chris
12-21-2009, 01:12 PM
Because guards and centers have such a huge history of being picked in the top ten. On Draft countdown the top guard is the 31st rated player. That seems like a reach at the number 5-10 range.

I'm saying trade down.

Rabb
12-21-2009, 01:14 PM
package our pick with a player to St Louis for Suh baby

jhns
12-21-2009, 01:17 PM
I'm saying trade down.

Who is the last team you remember trading from top 10 to out of the first? The top centers and top guards go in the second-fourth rounds. This is not something teams use high picks on. Also, of we are looking for instant starters at multiple o-line spots, the draft probably isn't the best option for that.

jhns
12-21-2009, 01:19 PM
package our pick with a player to St Louis for Suh baby

I say give up about half the draft for him. We don't need an offense if we have Suh.

DBroncos4life
12-21-2009, 01:20 PM
I'm saying trade down.

This is the NFL not Madden.

cutthemdown
12-21-2009, 01:24 PM
There just aren't any sure things in the draft. Broncos can't force looking for a new QB. Take a QB if he's available and you think he will be a good nfl player. Brandstater hopefully not the first. You always search and groom. If you end up being able to land someone you think will be the next Brady, Roth, Brees, Rivers, Manning, Mcnabb etc etc then yeah draft him. What you dont want to do is say we need one this yr, and hope some guy is that when he isn't.

Rabb
12-21-2009, 01:26 PM
This is the NFL not Madden.

:oyvey:

sorry but that is stupid to say

trading down is not a Madden thing, if a team doesn't see a player they want at the slot they have, they can trade down for more picks

it happens all the time, in the NFL

Hercules Rockefeller
12-21-2009, 01:26 PM
This is the NFL not Madden.

But, but, they're one and the same.

Just like any trade is feasible if it works out based on the draft pick value chart. There's always some team that will target some player, allowing the Broncos to trade down and eventually acquire 17 picks.

If Denver really wants to move down, they better hope at the end they're picking ahead of Seattle and Oakland, 2 teams that seriously should be looking @ a QB.

oubronco
12-21-2009, 01:30 PM
Strong game?!!!! He tossed two picks and had a mediocre 122.2 QB rating!

:rofl: It keeps getting better

DBroncos4life
12-21-2009, 01:36 PM
But, but, they're one and the same.

Just like any trade is feasible if it works out based on the draft pick value chart. There's always some team that will target some player, allowing the Broncos to trade down and eventually acquire 17 picks.

If Denver really wants to move down, they better hope at the end they're picking ahead of Seattle and Oakland, 2 teams that seriously should be looking @ a QB.

Well I want to be the first to say Denver should trade Royal, Hillis, and our first round pick for the Panthers 11 first round pick, their 10 2nd round pick, Steve Smith, and DeAngelo Williams. That should give the Panthers the ability to draft a new QB and get Jonathan Stewart involved in the O full-time.

azbroncfan
12-21-2009, 01:37 PM
He completed 64% of his passes for 256 yards and both of Oklahoma's TD's.

If you watched that game like you said you did, you would have seen Oklahoma's WR's (including the one-armed #1) dropping balls all over the field.

That wasnt the only big game that Bradford has played in either, so you can nit-pick away but you really have no idea what youre talking about.

The cock sucking you would do if we drafted Bradford would be disgusting. That being said I'd take a flyer on him even though I doubt his paper thin shoulder would ever hold up.

Rohirrim
12-21-2009, 01:46 PM
So you feel there is a OG or a C in the draft worthy of a top ten pick? Could you give the name of said player?

Like I've said before, this might be a very good draft to trade down in. It depends who the Broncos see as their target players. The players I would like to see drafted (so far) are Dan Williams, Iaputi, Matt Tennant, and Sean Canfield. This could be a very good draft to have a low first, two seconds and two thirds in.

broncolife
12-21-2009, 01:52 PM
We would have won if the defense found a way to stop F'N Jamarcus Russell...

Just sayin'...

We also would have won if the the O could score TDs instead of field goals.

10 points came with the Ds help. O only got 3 field goals without them.

Paladin
12-21-2009, 02:13 PM
This is something we knew when he threw 3 or 4 INT's against SF before halftime in a preseason game.

The guy is gritty. I appreciate that about him. That's where my admiration ends. He'd be a nice backup QB... unfortunately he's a starter. For us. And our playoff aspirations.

Sucks to be us right now.

We should draft a QB rather high in this draft. Unfortunately, we back at square 1 where we were in 2006 with Plummer and then fresh faced Jay. Now we have to re-endure the learning curve all over but that's okay because it's McArrogants turn to nurse a young QB from his tit for two or three years... supposing that he's still here.

So what are you going to do about it?





So, why b*tch about it?

barryr
12-21-2009, 02:13 PM
Drafting a QB in the 1st round solves the cruddy o-line play? It has taken some time, but the o-line is no longer a strength and it's on Dennison. I have never been a fan of this boob, whose special teams stunk when he coached as well with anything else he has touched. Even when Harris was in there, the o-line was hardly playing great. I don't give a damn what QB who have, with this shoddy o-line play, it wouldn't matter.

Ss for QB's, Sam Bradford is a bust waiting to happen. He isn't vey athletic and for all the talk of Orton having a weak arm, this guy hardly has a rocket himself. Taking him with the top pick would be a stupid move and really, they can get a QB later anyway if they want one.

But reality is until the OL and DL gets fixed, they aren't going far anyway.

Chris
12-21-2009, 02:42 PM
Who is the last team you remember trading from top 10 to out of the first? The top centers and top guards go in the second-fourth rounds. This is not something teams use high picks on. Also, of we are looking for instant starters at multiple o-line spots, the draft probably isn't the best option for that.

Logan Mankins went at the bottom of the 1st. I'm not familiar with the prospects but that might land us at a spot for getting the best interior lineman in the draft.

Chris
12-21-2009, 02:46 PM
Well I want to be the first to say Denver should trade Royal, Hillis, and our first round pick for the Panthers 11 first round pick, their 10 2nd round pick, Steve Smith, and DeAngelo Williams. That should give the Panthers the ability to draft a new QB and get Jonathan Stewart involved in the O full-time.

Who's playing Madden now? ;)

Love that idea but how often do you see massive trades like that in the NFL? Plus, very few people have seen a lot of Hillis's talent and Royal looks like a one hit wonder (until people learnt how to cover him).

TDmvp
12-21-2009, 02:58 PM
Sorry you only get a chance at a franchise qb once a decade . We pi$$ed it away this decade so we get to suck for awhile ....

NYBronco
12-21-2009, 02:58 PM
We would have won if the defense found a way to stop F'N Jamarcus Russell...

Just sayin'...

Couldn't agree more.

Many here were ecstatic when they heard Gradkowski couldn't play and J Russ may be starting, it was an automatic W. Run defense was befuddled.

mattob14
12-21-2009, 04:11 PM
Like I've said before, this might be a very good draft to trade down in. It depends who the Broncos see as their target players. The players I would like to see drafted (so far) are Dan Williams, Iaputi, Matt Tennant, and Sean Canfield. This could be a very good draft to have a low first, two seconds and two thirds in.

Agreed 100%. Williams would be a great pick-up, and I like the other three too. The best thing about this draft is there are solid options at both OL and QB if you can't pick up Iaputi, Tennant, or Canfield. Tony Pike, John Skelton, or Dan LeFevour are all solid options at QB and I'd be happy with JD Walton or one any of the top junior C's as well (Pouncey, Wisniewski, Dowd) if they declare.

epicSocialism4tw
12-21-2009, 04:22 PM
It was a decent showing, but not a "great" performance like you indicated before.

I said that he had a strong game, which he clearly did.

DBroncos4life
12-21-2009, 04:22 PM
Drafting a QB in the 1st round solves the cruddy o-line play? It has taken some time, but the o-line is no longer a strength and it's on Dennison. I have never been a fan of this boob, whose special teams stunk when he coached as well with anything else he has touched. Even when Harris was in there, the o-line was hardly playing great. I don't give a damn what QB who have, with this shoddy o-line play, it wouldn't matter.

Ss for QB's, Sam Bradford is a bust waiting to happen. He isn't vey athletic and for all the talk of Orton having a weak arm, this guy hardly has a rocket himself. Taking him with the top pick would be a stupid move and really, they can get a QB later anyway if they want one.

But reality is until the OL and DL gets fixed, they aren't going far anyway.

For the BILLIONTH time we are not going to draft a OL player in the top ten. If we can land a top flight QB then you do it. Lord knows when we are going to be in the top ten again. Should there not be a QB that we like then we should be able to get a IMPACT player but it will not be a O-linemen. Lets not forget that we have plenty of cap room and there are more then a handful of quality OG that are FA's like Logan Mankins, Chris Snee, David Baas, Jahri Evans, and Deuce Lutui.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/ol.html
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=OL&y=2010

SoDak Bronco
12-21-2009, 04:25 PM
Sorry you only get a chance at a franchise qb once a decade . We pi$$ed it away this decade so we get to suck for awhile ....

whendid we have a franchise qb??? :kiddingme

oubronco
12-21-2009, 04:29 PM
whendid we have a franchise qb??? :kiddingme

Elway?

skmoser
12-21-2009, 04:33 PM
if Ryan Mallett declares put your money there. Tall, strong arm, checks down, played in a tough conference, had the worst receivers and o-line in the conference and yet some how had the best season of any QB in the SEC... hes the best QB to come out of this draft (if he declares of course)

TDmvp
12-21-2009, 04:51 PM
Come on guys Cutler hate aside ... With the right coaching and IF he grows up which takes most great QBs time Cutler could be a great QB ... All the god given gifts just young and stupid.

No one to me will ever be John ... But Cutler did have a skill set that was at least close.
Now we are far worse off then we was with Jake, who i also liked but Jake's age among other things made him sorta a stop gap ...

I love Kyles heart and will but he is just not very gifted ... and you don't get many shots at gifted Qbs in the NFL ...

SoDak Bronco
12-21-2009, 04:58 PM
Elway?

he said this decade...so I assume he means the guy that is leading the league in INTS.

orange 4 life
12-21-2009, 06:35 PM
Just something I have been thinking about today after the loss. Orton just isn't dynamic enough to win the big games. I just don't think he has it in him. Unfortunately, I don't think McD would ever draft one early.

Sorry pal, but this is the ridiculous and utterly nonsensical garbage I was afraid I would see.

You mean kinda like we did after the '05 season?

That went well didn't it? (sarcasm alert)

Bottom line is trading crybaby wasn't a mistake. The mistake was drafting him in the first place when we already had a solid qb that was a top notch leader.

We're in PRECISELY the same spot now. Solid (if unspectacular) qb who's tough, talented (face it, he can make all the throws), respected, and a leader on and off the field.

Let's not make the same mistake.....again.

Sign Orton long term (given his age it's even MORE of a no brainer) and build around him.
Beef up the line, continue to improve the front seven on D, and get some youth in the secondary to spell Dawk, Bailey, and Co.

By all means change the playcalling (which has been downright AWFUL in short yardage and redzone), but for the love of God and everything holy DO NOT let another VERY good qb be the fall guy.

strafen
12-21-2009, 07:18 PM
WOW. First good take you've ever posted. Thank ****ing god you saw the light. It's only week 15.:rofl:

Denver724
12-21-2009, 08:57 PM
Sorry pal, but this is the ridiculous and utterly nonsensical garbage I was afraid I would see.

You mean kinda like we did after the '05 season?

That went well didn't it? (sarcasm alert)

Bottom line is trading crybaby wasn't a mistake. The mistake was drafting him in the first place when we already had a solid qb that was a top notch leader.

We're in PRECISELY the same spot now. Solid (if unspectacular) qb who's tough, talented (face it, he can make all the throws), respected, and a leader on and off the field.

Let's not make the same mistake.....again.

Sign Orton long term (given his age it's even MORE of a no brainer) and build around him.
Beef up the line, continue to improve the front seven on D, and get some youth in the secondary to spell Dawk, Bailey, and Co.

By all means change the playcalling (which has been downright AWFUL in short yardage and redzone), but for the love of God and everything holy DO NOT let another VERY good qb be the fall guy.

I just can't believe in Orton. Sorry. I hope we let him walk.

lex
12-21-2009, 10:42 PM
I just can't believe in Orton. Sorry. I hope we let him walk.

I have a lot of respect for Orton (for personal reasons and othewise) but it just seems like there are too many plays left on the field with him. He seems to be really good at presnap reads but he overrelies on that. Once the play unfolds and improvisation is required, he seems to struggle going through progressions without totally losing his pocket presense. You hear the team "manipulating the pocket" from time to time. This isnt exactly a strength. Part of it can be play calling but still...

Lolad
12-21-2009, 10:46 PM
The cock sucking you would do if we drafted Bradford would be disgusting. That being said I'd take a flyer on him even though I doubt his paper thin shoulder would ever hold up.

there was talk about Brees shoulder being done for. We see that was farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr from the truth

outdoor_miner
12-21-2009, 10:52 PM
I have a lot of respect for Orton (for personal reasons and othewise) but it just seems like there are too many plays left on the field with him. He seems to be really good at presnap reads but he overrelies on that. Once the play unfolds and improvisation is required, he seems to struggle going through progressions without totally losing his pocket presense. You hear the team "manipulating the pocket" from time to time. This isnt exactly a strength. Part of it can be play calling but still...

Some of what you are saying should improve as he becomes more and more familiar with the system. These guys have only been running it for 14 games now.

lex
12-21-2009, 10:54 PM
there was talk about Brees shoulder being done for. We see that was farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr from the truth

Yeah, as rampant and laughable as the homerism of the Sooner fans is, in the end, Bradford doesnt seem so bad when you pull away all of the big 12 homerism. Theres a lot to like about Bradford relative to the other QBs. Hes accurate and isnt a punk like Clausen. Plus, QBs are probably more protected by the overregulation in the NFL than they are in college. You cant even breath on QBs in the NFL, which kind of diminishes injury risk somewhat.

Lolad
12-21-2009, 10:54 PM
Sorry pal, but this is the ridiculous and utterly nonsensical garbage I was afraid I would see.

You mean kinda like we did after the '05 season?

That went well didn't it? (sarcasm alert)

Bottom line is trading crybaby wasn't a mistake. The mistake was drafting him in the first place when we already had a solid qb that was a top notch leader.

We're in PRECISELY the same spot now. Solid (if unspectacular) qb who's tough, talented (face it, he can make all the throws), respected, and a leader on and off the field.

Let's not make the same mistake.....again.

Sign Orton long term (given his age it's even MORE of a no brainer) and build around him.
Beef up the line, continue to improve the front seven on D, and get some youth in the secondary to spell Dawk, Bailey, and Co.

By all means change the playcalling (which has been downright AWFUL in short yardage and redzone), but for the love of God and everything holy DO NOT let another VERY good qb be the fall guy.

For the love of all that might be good in this world. HE CAN NOT MAKE ALL THE THROWS!! Give it up!

lex
12-21-2009, 10:58 PM
Some of what you are saying should improve as he becomes more and more familiar with the system. These guys have only been running it for 14 games now.

Are you even seeing gradual improvement? Im not. In fact, it seems like there is regression. It seems like weve fallen back to targeting Marshall more, which isnt necessarily a bad thing. He's probably the only player we have that is so good he can transcend the system.

Besides, 14 games actually long enough. Im not buying the "its a new system" nonsense where the players are concerned. To wait around and hope for a eureka moment without hedging your bets seems foolhardy.

lex
12-21-2009, 11:01 PM
For the love of all that might be good in this world. HE CAN NOT MAKE ALL THE THROWS!! Give it up!

Its amazing that there are still people with ponytails and sweaters made out of hemp fiber coming out of the hills to express their love for Jake. I wonder if this demographic still writes him? Maybe Jake will run for office one day?

outdoor_miner
12-21-2009, 11:12 PM
Are you even seeing gradual improvement? Im not. In fact, it seems like there is regression. It seems like weve fallen back to targeting Marshall more, which isnt necessarily a bad thing. He's probably the only player we have that is so good he can transcend the system.

Besides, 14 games actually long enough. Im not buying the "its a new system" nonsense where the players are concerned. To wait around and hope for a eureka moment without hedging your bets seems foolhardy.

That's not exactly what I'm saying. I agree the offense as a whole is regressing. For that, I'm far more disappointed in McDaniels than Orton.

I was referring more to your talk about "improvisation" and going quickly through his reads, and I assumed you weren't only talking about this week, but on the season in general. I think Orton can and will improve on those things next year. With that being said, Orton is certainly never going to "improvise" from an athletic standpoint. He's not going to have a play break down, and make something happen using his awesome athletic ability. That's his biggest weakness, in my opinion. However, I think he can learn to improvise more within the system. That comes more from being experienced with his wideouts...

lex
12-21-2009, 11:30 PM
That's not exactly what I'm saying. I agree the offense as a whole is regressing. For that, I'm far more disappointed in McDaniels than Orton.

I was referring more to your talk about "improvisation" and going quickly through his reads, and I assumed you weren't only talking about this week, but on the season in general. I think Orton can and will improve on those things next year. With that being said, Orton is certainly never going to "improvise" from an athletic standpoint. He's not going to have a play break down, and make something happen using his awesome athletic ability. That's his biggest weakness, in my opinion. However, I think he can learn to improvise more within the system. That comes more from being experienced with his wideouts...

I live in Chicago. Leading up to this season I accessed my On Demand menu, which had the Chicago-NO game from last year. One of the criticisms in the commentary was that Orton doesnt cycle through his progressions very well. This was Chris Collinsworth who said this. I watched a lot of their games but Im not locked into what Orton is doing all the time. So, basically, improvisation issue has been there prior to coming here. When you cant manipulate the pocket, it makes it hard to improvise, since improvising often involves creating more time. And pocket manipulation is also something he seems to struggle with. Its often the case that Orton has a ton of time and yet, he'll still get sacked.

Ratboy
12-22-2009, 01:34 AM
I am sure it's been said, but I want Suh.

TDmvp
12-22-2009, 04:47 AM
Sorry pal, but this is the ridiculous and utterly nonsensical garbage I was afraid I would see.

You mean kinda like we did after the '05 season?

That went well didn't it? (sarcasm alert)

Bottom line is trading crybaby wasn't a mistake. The mistake was drafting him in the first place when we already had a solid qb that was a top notch leader.

We're in PRECISELY the same spot now. Solid (if unspectacular) qb who's tough, talented (face it, he can make all the throws), respected, and a leader on and off the field.

Let's not make the same mistake.....again.

Sign Orton long term (given his age it's even MORE of a no brainer) and build around him.
Beef up the line, continue to improve the front seven on D, and get some youth in the secondary to spell Dawk, Bailey, and Co.

By all means change the playcalling (which has been downright AWFUL in short yardage and redzone), but for the love of God and everything holy DO NOT let another VERY good qb be the fall guy.



Yea sorry man neither Jake who I loved and thought was a above average Qb with some flaws or Kyle who I respect but don't think is that talented can make all the throws ...

Jake struggled with deep balls that needed to be on a chosen shoulder among other things that made him on 3rd and + 8 yards to go just a pick waiting to happen ...

When teams knew we had to pass and there was no fear of the boot and DEs kept him in the pocket it was just scary . He was really prone to throwing balls behind guys on quick passes in this circumstance .


Kyle Who knows all the reads and never seems to make a bad mental mistake just can't seem pass the ball farther than 15 yards down field and when he does it's just sad to watch ... hence why we only throw the ball long in the last 2 mins of a half ... I think the only long pass we throw vs the raiders this week was on the very last drive with like nothing on the clock...
He is Chad Pennington version 2.0 ...


But neither of those guys can make all the throws .

bpc
12-22-2009, 04:58 AM
Tough call on Sam Bradford. It's hard not to like his gamefilm. The guy has good arm strength, great accuracy and he can disperse the ball all over the field. As that is, he's a statue in the pocket and is coming off a shoulder injury. I had legitimate concerns about how he could take a hit in the first place because during his sophomore year, he had an NFL offensive line sitting in front of him and never really got touched. The very next season in the first game, he jacks up his shoulder. He comes back later in the season and it happens again.

I'm leery about taking a blue chip QB with a bum shoulder coming out of college. Tough to say what his arm will be at the next level, if he can still take a pounding in the pocket, or if he can process info on the next level. OU hasn't exactly been the breeding ground for great NFL QB's, even with their uptempo passing system.

I'd probably lean towards Jimmy Clausen or waiting for a QB until round 2 or 3. There should be tons of talent out there at there at QB this year.

Broncos_OTM
12-22-2009, 06:36 AM
In fact, I hope his injury makes him fall this year. He would be a steal if we landed him. I still like the upside of Brandstater but having Bradford also would be sweet. But if we keep Orton, that means we are paying him and I don't think we would draft a QB in the first few rounds just because of salary. We might cut Simms and pick up another QB later to compete with Brandstater.

Not true we could tender him as a RFA. Draft a QB play orton this year. Much like we did with Cutler if he shows the ability play him in the middle of the year if you want to wait a year i am cool with that. But all we have to do is tender Orton Draft a QB and we should be in fairly decent shape. It will really be telling what are our plans are this year with Orton. We give him a contract after the season. Forget the QB. if we just tag him look for denver to draft a QB. I like Bradford, and we could conceiveably Trade down in the first. Draft McCoy and with the extra pick select a player DE G C in the 2 3 4 rounds where we can still get a really quality player.

rastaman
12-22-2009, 07:49 AM
If it was a good QB that did his job very well, this wouldn't be an issue. What a laughable comment. "He is great, but he sucks."

Why don't you admit it. He is AVERAGE. >>A-v-e-r-a-g-e<<

If he has good protection, he can make normal throws that hell, you'd expect ANY QB in the league to make, including backups. His downfield throws have been to players completely open. As in, no one within 10 yards of them. Most of his longer passes this year have been YAC. He can thank Marshall for inflating his #'s. He strongly reminds me of a less sulky Griese.

Cutler was too erratic. Orton is too safe. The first hint of a sack, and he collapses in a heap. This is something that will never win the important games. Good QBs can step up and make plays. Like Big Ben stepping up with two guys hanging on him, and completing a shovel pass for a first down. Intuition, guts, and a desire to win no matter what. He does not have this. He has a strong desire to not make a mistake no matter what. This will not win championships.

I like his personality. Not necessarily his attitude. I don't think he has a winner's mentality. Remember Elway playing? When it got tough, his eyes got as big as saucers, and you KNEW something very cool was about to happen. On third and long, you had a feeling you were going to get it more often than not. It's the exact opposite with Orton.

All that said.. we should not replace him unless we can get someone significantly better. Why bother? Waste of money and time. Get a QB we can actually train up and live with for years. Don't get a filler for our filler. But omg.. do NOT offer this guy a huge contract, that would be a disaster.

Great unbias analysis. I think McD needs to bring in at least one QB who has been on NFL rosters for 2 to 6 years who has great upside and who has been
well coached and let Orton battle it out for the starting job next year. No way in HELL should McD just hand over the starting job to Orton.

Rohirrim
12-22-2009, 07:52 AM
Claussen = Cutler; Phase II (without the cannon-arm) ;D

bpc
12-22-2009, 08:05 AM
Claussen = Cutler; Phase II (without the cannon-arm) ;D

Care to give us your expertise analysis or are you just throwing out bull**** as usual?

Broncos_OTM
12-22-2009, 08:08 AM
Great unbias analysis. I think McD needs to bring in at least one QB who has been on NFL rosters for 2 to 6 years who has great upside and who has been
well coached and let Orton battle it out for the starting job next year. No way in HELL should McD just hand over the starting job to Orton.

Alot of people think that Orton and Campbell are the top notch QB's this offseason. Who is it you think it will be. I am looking at the list of FA qbs and i am underwhelmed any of them could even give Orton a run for his money.