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Gort
12-18-2009, 07:07 AM
#6 BAL (7-6) at #3 CIN (9-4)
#5 DEN (8-5) at #4 NE (8-5)
#2 SD (10-3) bye
#1 IND (14-0) bye

the Broncos have played all of the other playoff teams this year and their record is 3-3 against them.

if things stay like this, DEN could do some damage in the playoffs. victories by BAL and DEN in the WC round would send DEN to SD for the divisional round.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4719928

but we still need to close it out against KC, OAK, and PHI. i'd love to see an 11-5 DEN team going into the playoffs. that should be the goal right now. :)

cmhargrove
12-18-2009, 07:11 AM
We need a healthy Buckhalter, and Safety depth is a little concerning right now. It will be interesting to see if Barrett gets more playtime with McBath out and Hill dinged up.

We also need Elvis to find his groove again in Oakland - at least 2 sacks would be a good sign.

oubronco
12-18-2009, 07:17 AM
I would not want any part of the Chargers Phyllis just has our number

Gort
12-18-2009, 07:19 AM
I would not want any part of the Chargers Phyllis just has our number

pick your poison... would you rather go on the road to SD or INDY? the Broncos won at SD earlier this season. that's gotta count for something.

LonghornBronco
12-18-2009, 07:24 AM
I would not want any part of the Chargers Phyllis just has our number

yea, it's kind of a pick your poison between him and Manning. I think our best chance is agains Phyllis though...

Man-Goblin
12-18-2009, 07:38 AM
Hmmmmm, wouldn't really mind a WC game against the Patriots. I think they can be had.

As for the Colts, you gotta hope they start resting guys now, right? I'd take my chances against a team that just took a month off.

Paladin
12-18-2009, 07:59 AM
I will wait to see how this weekend's round of games play out before I get too excited about the playoffs. Broncos could iht 10 - 6 and the Ravens could hit 10 - 6 and the Broncos would go to Cinnci. Also, Miami is not out of the picture yet. Denver to NE seems more likely. The folks in Bahstun are saying: "Oh, no. Not Denver again!!"

oubronco
12-18-2009, 08:03 AM
pick your poison... would you rather go on the road to SD or INDY? the Broncos won at SD earlier this season. that's gotta count for something.

not really the Jags exposed the entermediate throws last night if we can open the offense up and start playing defense from the start of the game I think we can beat them

Gort
12-18-2009, 08:10 AM
not really the Jags exposed the entermediate throws last night if we can open the offense up and start playing defense from the start of the game I think we can beat them

we had our chance last weekend. i don't expect a replay of that game the second time around. they have tape on us against them now. i like orton. but without a vertical passing game, i don't think too many teams can hang with INDY. we got lucky. Manning had an off day and our D had a great game (minus the 1st quarter) and we couldn't get it done. unless McD has orton going downfield, i don't see how we beat an INDY team in the playoffs. we'd have to play perfectly and they'd have to make a few mistakes. we just don't have the players or depth on our team to hang with them yet.

Garcia Bronco
12-18-2009, 08:11 AM
pick your poison... would you rather go on the road to SD or INDY? the Broncos won at SD earlier this season. that's gotta count for something.

I think we can beat either one on the road.

oubronco
12-18-2009, 08:13 AM
we had our chance last weekend. i don't expect a replay of that game the second time around. they have tape on us against them now. i like orton. but without a vertical passing game, i don't think too many teams can hang with INDY. we got lucky. Manning had an off day and our D had a great game (minus the 1st quarter) and we couldn't get it done. unless McD has orton going downfield, i don't see how we beat an INDY team in the playoffs. we'd have to play perfectly and they'd have to make a few mistakes. we just don't have the players or depth on our team to hang with them yet.

yes we would definitely have to throw the ball downfield and Manning is tough but I didn't think we had a chance against New England and we beat them so who knows

Paladin
12-18-2009, 08:17 AM
At least the Broncos would be competitive with a chance to win.....

Dedhed
12-18-2009, 08:22 AM
I would love a tie-breaker with the Chargers. If Orton could have started against SD at home, I think we win that game. I also think we win that game if Moreno doesn't fumble.

Both the Pats and Chargers are beatable at home. NE worries me because it's always tougher to beat a team the 2nd time in a season, and they took us to the brink in our building.

I would just love to see them get into the playoffs, and a win would be icing on the cake. We're not good enough yet to get past Indy in their house, but we can beat anyone else in the AFC playoff picture if we play a great game.

Paladin
12-18-2009, 08:30 AM
Even a one and done appearance would be a real kickin the nuts to the local doubters and the national "experts". It is a season to remember as the one of the Rebirth of Bronco Football.....

epicSocialism4tw
12-18-2009, 08:33 AM
#6 BAL (7-6) at #3 CIN (9-4)
#5 DEN (8-5) at #4 NE (8-5)
#2 SD (10-3) bye
#1 IND (14-0) bye

the Broncos have played all of the other playoff teams this year and their record is 3-3 against them.

if things stay like this, DEN could do some damage in the playoffs. victories by BAL and DEN in the WC round would send DEN to SD for the divisional round.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4719928

but we still need to close it out against KC, OAK, and PHI. i'd love to see an 11-5 DEN team going into the playoffs. that should be the goal right now. :)

Wouldnt the game be @ Denver?

I thought that the tie breaker for home field was head-to-head before conference winner status?

Paladin
12-18-2009, 08:38 AM
Wild cards cannot have home games unless the two teams ae WC teams. Only possibility woukld be in teh AFCC if both teams were WC teams. Diviison winners get home field......

oubronco
12-18-2009, 08:38 AM
No because New England would be a division winner

baja
12-18-2009, 09:07 AM
yea, it's kind of a pick your poison between him and Manning. I think our best chance is agains Phyllis though...

I think if we get our running game going especially 3rd and short we can beat either team, Josh has to call a more creative game than last week though.

Gort
12-18-2009, 10:04 AM
Wouldnt the game be @ Denver?

I thought that the tie breaker for home field was head-to-head before conference winner status?

wildcard team is always a worse seed than any divisional team.

Blart
12-18-2009, 10:10 AM
Baltimore is the only team I'd worry about.

Pick Six
12-18-2009, 10:13 AM
Baltimore is the only team I'd worry about.

Yesterday's loss by the Jaguars made it more of a reality that Baltimore could sneak into the playoffs. If that's the case, we could be the 6th seed...if we make the playoffs at all. It's a scary thought...

cutthemdown
12-18-2009, 10:15 AM
Broncos having to face NE after Mcdaniels song and dance victory celebration would not be easy. Indy always beats us. SD playing way better then Broncos right now. Cincy we beat, hard to beat a team twice in one yr.

It's a tough rgular season, and would be a tougher postseason. Just not an easy road to haul IMO but Broncos hanging in there and playing very hard. A couple more wins and maybe they can talk playoffs.

broncofan2438
12-18-2009, 10:16 AM
I just want to get to the dam playoffs.
Screw who we play

BlaK-Argentina
12-18-2009, 10:21 AM
Broncos having to face NE after Mcdaniels song and dance victory celebration would not be easy. Indy always beats us. SD playing way better then Broncos right now. Cincy we beat, hard to beat a team twice in one yr.

It's a tough rgular season, and would be a tougher postseason. Just not an easy road to haul IMO but Broncos hanging in there and playing very hard. A couple more wins and maybe they can talk playoffs.

Broncos can beat ANYONE on a good day. When the offense and defense are both playing well, we're as tough as any team in the league. I think we have a good chance against anyone... but we could just as easily get blown up.

atomicbloke
12-18-2009, 10:25 AM
Wouldnt the game be @ Denver?

I thought that the tie breaker for home field was head-to-head before conference winner status?

Are you new to the NFL?

cutthemdown
12-18-2009, 10:28 AM
Broncos can beat ANYONE on a good day. When the offense and defense are both playing well, we're as tough as any team in the league. I think we have a good chance against anyone... but we could just as easily get blown up.

IMO because we lack size upfront on oline and real talent on the dline, it make it tough for us sometimes.

If Broncos add a big stud DT or DE, Maybe a big OG, and kept all the good players they have this yr they could be really strong.

Not sure whats out there in FA, or if Broncos have any money to spend, but I think until they get better in the trenches they will continue to struggle in short yardage.

atomicbloke
12-18-2009, 10:34 AM
Does anyone know who has the tiebreaker between the Broncos and the Dolphins?

Currently, the Broncos conference record is 6-4 and the Dolphins are at 5-4.

Assuming, Dolphins win out, they'll be 10-6 with a 8-4 conference record. If the Broncos beat the Raiders and Chiefs, but lose to Philly, they'll be 10-6 with a 8-4 conference record.

So who has the better common opponents tie-breaker between Denver and Miami now?

If Denver does, then beating Raiders and Chiefs guarantees a playoff spot, regardless of other results (since Jets have 5 conference losses and can't catch the Broncos even if they win out).

But if Miami has the common opponents tiebreaker over Denver, then either the Broncos have to win out, or hope Miami drops one.

atomicbloke
12-18-2009, 10:41 AM
Does anyone know who has the tiebreaker between the Broncos and the Dolphins?

Currently, the Broncos conference record is 6-4 and the Dolphins are at 5-4.

Assuming, Dolphins win out, they'll be 10-6 with a 8-4 conference record. If the Broncos beat the Raiders and Chiefs, but lose to Philly, they'll be 10-6 with a 8-4 conference record.

So who has the better common opponents tie-breaker between Denver and Miami now?

If Denver does, then beating Raiders and Chiefs guarantees a playoff spot, regardless of other results (since Jets have 5 conference losses and can't catch the Broncos even if they win out).

But if Miami has the common opponents tiebreaker over Denver, then either the Broncos have to win out, or hope Miami drops one.

And related questions, how is the common opponents tie-breaker calculated if a one team has played a common opponent once, but the other team has played them twice?

For example, Miami played SD once and lost, but the Broncos played SD twice and are 1-1.

Similarly, Denver played NE once and won, but Miami played them twice and are 1-1.

How is this factored in common opponents?

The only other common opponents are Pittsburgh, who the Broncos lost to, and Miami will play them in the last week of the season, and Indy, who both Denver and Miami lost to.

epicSocialism4tw
12-18-2009, 10:55 AM
wildcard team is always a worse seed than any divisional team.

I know that they are a "worse" seed, but if their record is the same and the Broncos have the better of the head-to-head, don't they get home field?

atomicbloke
12-18-2009, 10:58 AM
I know that they are a "worse" seed, but if their record is the same and the Broncos have the better of the head-to-head, don't they get home field?

Then why would they have seedings in first place?

Gort
12-18-2009, 11:06 AM
I know that they are a "worse" seed, but if their record is the same and the Broncos have the better of the head-to-head, don't they get home field?

playoff matchups and home fields are designed so that the higher seed always has every advantage over a lower seed.

#6 vs #2 will always be played at #2
#1 vs #2 will always be played at #1

doesn't matter who the teams are or what divisions they are in. once the seeding is set to start the playoffs, everything is dictated strictly by seed.

Paladin
12-18-2009, 11:06 AM
I know that they are a "worse" seed, but if their record is the same and the Broncos have the better of the head-to-head, don't they get home field?

No. Division winners get home field.

epicSocialism4tw
12-18-2009, 11:08 AM
playoff matchups and home fields are designed so that the higher seed always has every advantage over a lower seed.

#6 vs #2 will always be played at #2
#1 vs #2 will always be played at #1

doesn't matter who the teams are or what divisions they are in. once the seeding is set to start the playoffs, everything is dictated strictly by seed.

It may be the NBA that I'm thinking of.

I would like to think that the better team gets home field, but the NFL arent logical about such things.

Mr.Meanie
12-18-2009, 11:13 AM
It may be the NBA that I'm thinking of.

I would like to think that the better team gets home field, but the NFL arent logical about such things.

The entire structure of the NFL playoffs is based on winning your division. Overall record is more to determine who wins the division than it is to determine the better team. Only after the division winners are picked does the win/loss record seed the wildcard teams.

Gort
12-18-2009, 11:13 AM
for example,

let's say we have these 6 playoff teams.

DEN 12-4
SD 11-5

BAL 10-6

INDY 16-0
TEN 15-1

MIA 9-7

as far as the NFL is concerned, seeding by record would proceed as follows... note that division winners > wc teams.

#1 INDY > #2 DEN > #3 BAL > #4 MIA > #5 TEN > #6 SD

here you have 3 teams with worse records seeded higher than TEN and 2 teams with worse records seeded higher than SD.

the top 2 seeds get rewarded with byes, so in the WC round, the top remaining seed always matches up against the worse remaining seed (#6 at #3) because that give maximum advantage to the division winners over the WC team. in this case, #6 SD (11-5) at #3 BAL (10-6). the remaining game would be #5 TEN (15-1) at #4 MIA (9-7). not really fair to either visiting team, but that's the price they pay for NOT winning their respective divisions.

and this is why it's so hard for a #6 WC team to advance to the SB. the deck is stacked against them in every game. even if they win at #3, they then have to go on the road against #1. should they survive that, they have an away game for the AFC championship no matter who else survives.

being the #5 seed is a MUCH better position than the #6 seed. you avoid the #1 team in the divisional round, and there is some small chance you could end up at home for the AFC championship game.

make sense?

BigPlayShay
12-18-2009, 11:14 AM
It may be the NBA that I'm thinking of.

I would like to think that the better team gets home field, but the NFL arent logical about such things.

That is why last year the 9-7 Cardinals hosted the 11-5 Falcons. Division winners get the 4 highest seeds. Seeds 5 and 6 travel.

BroncoMan4ever
12-18-2009, 01:05 PM
my personal choice for the playoffs if we got to the super bowl would be to go through, NE, SD, and then Indy.

we have proven we can beat NE, we beat SD at home earlier this season, and had we put together a few drives that the Defense gift wrapped for us, we would have beaten Indy.

2KBack
12-18-2009, 01:23 PM
Sd and Indy are Denver biggest annoyances. I might be a glutton for punishment, but I'd kinda like going through one of them.

rastaman
12-18-2009, 01:44 PM
Broncos having to face NE after Mcdaniels song and dance victory celebration would not be easy. Indy always beats us. SD playing way better then Broncos right now. Cincy we beat, hard to beat a team twice in one yr.

It's a tough rgular season, and would be a tougher postseason. Just not an easy road to haul IMO but Broncos hanging in there and playing very hard. A couple more wins and maybe they can talk playoffs.

We just need to make the playoffs....period! I'm not really concerned who we play. I just want a healthy running attack consisting of C-Buck, Moreno, Hillis, and Larsen.

rastaman
12-18-2009, 01:44 PM
Sd and Indy are Denver biggest annoyances. I might be a glutton for punishment, but I'd kinda like going through one of them.

It can be done.

Gort
12-18-2009, 01:49 PM
Sd and Indy are Denver biggest annoyances. I might be a glutton for punishment, but I'd kinda like going through one of them.

it's waaaaay too early for this, but just for fun...

here's a scenario that works. BAL wants payback against both INDY and CIN. they could win both of those games. DEN is confident against a rebuilding NE team. DEN at SD might be tough, but McD could get this team ready for the challenge. then we get an AFC championship game at home against a team we want some payback against.

WC round:

BAL at CIN... BAL wins
DEN at NE... DEN wins

Divisional round:

BAL at INDY... BAL wins
DEN at SD... DEN wins

AFC championship:

BAL at DEN... DEN wins (superbowl bound)

this could happen. stranger things have...

Hogan11
12-18-2009, 02:21 PM
Baltimore is the only team I'd worry about.

I'm on board with this. The Ravens, despite their seeding, would be a major cause of concern.

I would love to destroy Cincy or SD in the playoffs....I believe they can beat Indy another time around as well, but when it comes to the Ravens...my confidence is shaken a bit.