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SoonerBronco
12-14-2009, 02:01 PM
http://www.gohuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/121409aaa.html

not in this years draft fellas.

elsid13
12-14-2009, 02:03 PM
Smart move by him. Another year under Shark and he will be the #1 pick.

Pick Six
12-14-2009, 02:05 PM
That's actually pretty smart. With guys like Bradford, Tebow, and McCoy gone, Locker can focus on being one of the premiere guys to watch in 2010...

jhns
12-14-2009, 02:07 PM
That is OK. McDaniels already told me he is trading most of the draft picks to get Suh. Suh would win us a few SBs so I told him that is a great idea.

TheDave
12-14-2009, 02:10 PM
Dumb move from a $ standpoint...

He would have been a top 10 pick this year.

2011 draft will absolutely have a rookie cap in place. This decision will cost him a **** load of money.

Rohirrim
12-14-2009, 02:13 PM
If the NFL and the Players institute a rookie cap this isn't so smart.

elsid13
12-14-2009, 02:14 PM
That's actually pretty smart. With guys like Bradford, Tebow, and McCoy gone, Locker can focus on being one of the premiere guys to watch in 2010...

He beats all those guys now. The reason he able not to come out because he has MLB deal already from the Angles.

broncocalijohn
12-14-2009, 02:16 PM
He bets all those guys now. The reason he able not to come out because he has MLB deal already from the Angles.

exactly! His career will be longer (in his opinion) as a baseball player. Not sure if he will try to do the BO thing, ut this is where i think he stands. I am happy as a clam as an Angels fan. Only bad thing is if he tries two sports, would he press for the Chargers to be close to OC? Maybe Jags in a few years if they move to LA.

SoonerBronco
12-14-2009, 02:17 PM
He beats all those guys now. The reason he able not to come out because he has MLB deal already from the Angles.

Highly debatable...terrible accuracy...he's just like Tebow.

Finger Roll
12-14-2009, 02:21 PM
sucks for the Bills, Redkskins, seahawks and Browns

elsid13
12-14-2009, 02:24 PM
Highly debatable...terrible accuracy...he's just like Tebow.

Haven't watch him alot this season have you? He far from inaccurate. Shark has helped him big time. Low completion rate is due to his WRs and not because of his passes.

NFLBRONCO
12-14-2009, 02:25 PM
Obviously economics wasn't his major at Wash.

elsid13
12-14-2009, 02:25 PM
exactly! His career will be longer (in his opinion) as a baseball player. Not sure if he will try to do the BO thing, ut this is where i think he stands. I am happy as a clam as an Angels fan. Only bad thing is if he tries two sports, would he press for the Chargers to be close to OC? Maybe Jags in a few years if they move to LA.

He going to play pro -football. Right now the money pressure that some of the other JR are facing isn't affecting him.

bpc
12-14-2009, 02:26 PM
He just scratched the surface of what he can do in his last game against Cal. I think this is a great move for Locker.

Sucks for the Broncos so. That means one less talented prospect sliding to us at #9 or 10, possibly one less QB on the board.

NFLBRONCO
12-14-2009, 02:28 PM
He just scratched the surface of what he can do in his last game against Cal. I think this is a great move for Locker.

Sucks for the Broncos so. That means one less talented prospect sliding to us at #9 or 10, possibly one less QB on the board.

While I agree we should draft a QB if possible at 10 I doubt McD wil though.

Pony Boy
12-14-2009, 02:33 PM
I would take Ryan Mallett over all of them .....

spdirty
12-14-2009, 04:04 PM
Stupid. Especially after how much Bradford cost himself by staying at OU. And if they institute the rookie cap its really stupid. Jefatass is smarter than this guy.

bpc
12-14-2009, 05:01 PM
While I agree we should draft a QB if possible at 10 I doubt McD wil though.

You're probably right. If Clausen is still on the board when we come up to draft, he would think about it. I think he would have taken Sanchez this year if he had fallen to us.

gtown
12-14-2009, 07:04 PM
I would take Ryan Mallett over all of them .....

Mallett is good but he is a statue in the pocket and has bad bouts of inaccuracy. Reminds me a little of Joe Flacco. But he has a big arm and plays in a pro style offense. If he is there past the second round, I say go get him as another talented project qb.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-14-2009, 07:18 PM
A rookie cap already exists.

SoDak Bronco
12-14-2009, 08:52 PM
NFL needs to adopt the NBA's system for the rookie pay scale. You get drafted here, you get X, you get drafted here, you get XYZ.

SoCalBronco
12-14-2009, 08:53 PM
Well.....that certainly ruined my day. :(

Rock Chalk
12-14-2009, 08:59 PM
He beats all those guys now. The reason he able not to come out because he has MLB deal already from the Angles.

Haha.

The only person on that list Locker beats out in the long run is Tebow because Tebow sucks.

McCoy and Bradford will both be better NFL QBs (in Bradford's case, he may require a bit of a better offensive line than McCoy will need).

theAPAOps5
12-14-2009, 09:03 PM
I love watching the Cutler folks who can't deal with reality and still think he is the franchise who are grasping at air thinking Denver needs to draft a QB in the first round. Orton will more than meet the needs of this team as it builds. So guess what you will be disappointed Denver may draft a QB again in the later rounds but I will promise you it won't be in the first round. Denver will address the real needs on this team, OL and DL.

Locker is making a huge mistake by staying. Any Junior who is talented and has made a name for himself should declare for the draft this year. Its their last chance to get in before the rookie cap comes into play.

gunns
12-14-2009, 09:10 PM
McCoy and Bradford will both be better NFL QBs (in Bradford's case, he may require a bit of a better offensive line than McCoy will need).


Unless Suh is on the other side. :)

theAPAOps5
12-14-2009, 09:20 PM
Unless Suh is on the other side. :)

Eh one good year and he is the best? Count me as complimentary of what he showed but skeptical of what he can do. Didn't even know his name until this year. Don't get me wrong he has a ton of potential but I am far from anointing him.

Broncoman13
12-14-2009, 09:40 PM
Dumb move from a $ standpoint...

He would have been a top 10 pick this year.

2011 draft will absolutely have a rookie cap in place. This decision will cost him a **** load of money.

While I agree there will be a rookie cap in place, you can also bet on there be a lot shorter rookie contracts. I suspect a top 10 pick will only be guaranteed $15m or so, I also believe he will be able to enter his 2nd contract a lot sooner. So, if a guy like Locker comes into the league and produces like a Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco, he will be getting that 2nd Huge contract a lot quicker!!!

Broncoman13
12-14-2009, 09:42 PM
Eh one good year and he is the best? Count me as complimentary of what he showed but skeptical of what he can do. Didn't even know his name until this year. Don't get me wrong he has a ton of potential but I am far from anointing him.

Wasn't he a preseason all American? I certainly thought he and McCoy were the cream of the crop, along with Mt Cody.

theAPAOps5
12-14-2009, 09:52 PM
Wasn't he a preseason all American? I certainly thought he and McCoy were the cream of the crop, along with Mt Cody.

Well lots of players are pre-season All American and they only go on to fade. Don't get me wrong Su is a potential beast but he was a relative no name until the second half of this year in terms of the national media East Coast bias. He could very well be a stud but he could easily be a dud too.

elsid13
12-15-2009, 01:58 AM
Well lots of players are pre-season All American and they only go on to fade. Don't get me wrong Su is a potential beast but he was a relative no name until the second half of this year in terms of the national media East Coast bias. He could very well be a stud but he could easily be a dud too.

People that know college football have been talking about him last two years. He put together this season to very special level, but say he just showed up is casual fan response.

watermock
12-15-2009, 02:14 AM
Who cares?

elsid13
12-15-2009, 02:33 AM
Haha.

The only person on that list Locker beats out in the long run is Tebow because Tebow sucks.

McCoy and Bradford will both be better NFL QBs (in Bradford's case, he may require a bit of a better offensive line than McCoy will need).

Take off the Big 12 glasses and look at the guys and how they project as QBs in the NFL. Of the three, Locker has best upside and most talent to play and start for long time. The other two have more faults with their game then Locker does.

watermock
12-15-2009, 02:39 AM
McDummy will give Orton 20 million over 3 if we make the playoffs.

Bronco Yoda
12-15-2009, 02:59 AM
I don't see him signing a 3 year deal even if we don't make the playoffs. We could miss the playoffs and it still really not being directly on his shoulders.

Call me crazy but I'd say nearly double the amount you have and tack on a couple years. Some here will freak!

Broncos_OTM
12-15-2009, 06:02 AM
Eh one good year and he is the best? Count me as complimentary of what he showed but skeptical of what he can do. Didn't even know his name until this year. Don't get me wrong he has a ton of potential but I am far from anointing him.

Obviously you dont follow the draft very closely or you would have known that suh coming into this year was a first round pick. What he did this year is made him a sure fire top five pick. He was solid his junior year.

SoonerBronco
12-15-2009, 07:02 AM
Take off the Big 12 glasses and look at the guys and how they project as QBs in the NFL. Of the three, Locker has best upside and most talent to play and start for long time. The other two have more faults with their game then Locker does.

Really? Big XII glasses aside, I think you have been listening to Todd McShay a little too much.

Broncoman13
12-15-2009, 07:10 AM
Well lots of players are pre-season All American and they only go on to fade. Don't get me wrong Su is a potential beast but he was a relative no name until the second half of this year in terms of the national media East Coast bias. He could very well be a stud but he could easily be a dud too.

Assuming you haven't been paying attention to college football too much. He was very well known last year and you don't get named to pre-season All American teams without having a pretty good year prior to.

No biggee, he certainly wasn't in the conversation for Heisman though.

oubronco
12-15-2009, 07:19 AM
Eh one good year and he is the best? Count me as complimentary of what he showed but skeptical of what he can do. Didn't even know his name until this year. Don't get me wrong he has a ton of potential but I am far from anointing him.

Line his stats against Carlton Powell's and see where he stands he is not All world but would be nice to have

Broncoman13
12-15-2009, 07:19 AM
I don't see him signing a 3 year deal even if we don't make the playoffs. We could miss the playoffs and it still really not being directly on his shoulders.

Call me crazy but I'd say nearly double the amount you have and tack on a couple years. Some here will freak!

I agree, I'm thinking a "friendly" deal for a QB that takes his team to a 10-5 or maybe even 11-4 record (one game out for injury I don't count), played injured through serious pain, is the consummate pro and leader... What Orton has against him is that he (and his agent) have to know that McD is the best thing for Orton's game. He's not going anywhere else in the NFL to a system as friendly as this one for his athletic capability. So, with that in mind I'm guessing he'll get a contract that is right around 4 years and $32m and about half will be bonus money and therefor guaranteed.

misturanderson
12-15-2009, 07:19 AM
McDummy will give Orton 20 million over 3 if we make the playoffs.

And he will finally be paid on par with average starting NFL QBs instead of less than his backup. Not sure why that makes McDaniels dumb.

FantomForce
12-15-2009, 07:58 AM
Damn

TheChamp24
12-15-2009, 02:03 PM
I find it funny the people proclaiming Suh isn't "that good" and such.
Listen folks, when was the last time a defensive linemen, heck just defensive player was invited to the Heisman presentation as a finalist?
He was the best college football player this past season, by far.

oubronco
12-15-2009, 02:08 PM
I find it funny the people proclaiming Suh isn't "that good" and such.
Listen folks, when was the last time a defensive linemen, heck just defensive player was invited to the Heisman presentation as a finalist?
He was the best college football player this past season, by far.

I asked earlier if someone could line his stats against Carlton Powell's so we could see how his stats measured up because wasn't Powell like an unbelievable run stopping DT who made most of his plays behind the line?

NFLBRONCO
12-15-2009, 02:12 PM
Did you see the money we gave Simms? We assume Denver won't overpay with Orton yeah right.

elsid13
12-15-2009, 02:31 PM
Really? Big XII glasses aside, I think you have been listening to Todd McShay a little too much.

I think McShay is idiot and I always thought Locker would be a guy that Broncos should look at. That was before he "blew" up. Locker has always shown flashes of having potential to be special, even his freshman year, he just needed the right coach to help him develop his skills

When compare the three this season, Locker because of what he can do, has the best ability to be successful in the NFL. Bradford and McCoy are very good college QB but it is a different game between the levels.

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DBroncos4life
12-15-2009, 02:41 PM
I asked earlier if someone could line his stats against Carlton Powell's so we could see how his stats measured up because wasn't Powell like an unbelievable run stopping DT who made most of his plays behind the line?

Suh 82 tackles 19.5 TFLs 12 sacks
Powell 39 tackles 7 TFL and 3.5 sacks


Suh also had 10 pass defends, one forced fumble, 19 QB hurries, and 3 blocked kicks.

For the poster that claimed he only had one good year, his junior season he had 76 tackles, 7 sacks and 2 int's

elsid13
12-15-2009, 03:03 PM
Suh 82 tackles 19.5 TFLs 12 sacks
Powell 39 tackles 7 TFL and 3.5 sacks


Suh also had 10 pass defends, one forced fumble, 19 QB hurries, and 3 blocked kicks.

For the poster that claimed he only had one good year, his junior season he had 76 tackles, 7 sacks and 2 int's

When Nebraska showed up to play VT back here, Frank Beamer (HC VT) came on the pregame show and stated that Suh was best DL he seen play in last 20 years.

WABronco
12-15-2009, 03:07 PM
Really? Big XII glasses aside, I think you have been listening to Todd McShay a little too much.

Locker could be a transcendent talent. Built like a linebacker, far more athletic than Tebow, can actually throw the ball and has a total cannon. Just imagine if he learns how to actually play quarterback.

McCoy and Bradford are standard fare.

epicSocialism4tw
12-15-2009, 05:59 PM
Locker could be a transcendent talent. Built like a linebacker, far more athletic than Tebow, can actually throw the ball and has a total cannon. Just imagine if he learns how to actually play quarterback.

McCoy and Bradford are standard fare.

ROFL!

Bradford is the best pocket QB to come through the college game since Peyton Manning. You'll be hearing alot of those comparisons as the draft gets closer.

I saw the same thing happen with Adrian Peterson. AD was hurt, and people started questioning his ability. He was so transcendent (to use your word) that scouts still wouldnt allow him to slip too far. Bradford transcends the college game as well. He's a big, athletic kid (more athletic than Manning) with a strong arm. When you're talking about pure passing ability, we arent waiting for Bradford to come around behind some magical coaching...the guy is super-accurate with every throw in the playbook. He is already there. He is mature, a natural leader, and probably the most intelligent football player (football IQ) to be drafted in the first round of next year's draft.

Bradford has been brilliant since his freshman season. He hasnt been okay or a game manager or just barely getting it done since his freshman season, he has been a star QB.

Just as with AD, the teams that pass on Bradford will rue the day.

WABronco
12-15-2009, 06:10 PM
Cough*

No, sorry, Locker=Alaskan King Crab. McCoy+Bradford=Red Rock Crabs.

epicSocialism4tw
12-15-2009, 06:14 PM
Cough*

No, sorry, Locker=Alaskan King Crab. McCoy+Bradford=Red Rock Crabs.

The simple fact that you group McCoy and Bradford together tells me that you havent the slightest clue as to what the difference between either of them and any other player in the draft is. 1) McCoy has a completely different game than Bradford, 2) Bradford is a superior prospect.

I hope that Denver makes a move to get McCoy if he lasts to the second round. Bradford is probably out of reach.

WABronco
12-15-2009, 06:23 PM
Good assumption! Haven't the slightest, professor.

Thanks!

epicSocialism4tw
12-15-2009, 06:42 PM
Good assumption! Haven't the slightest, professor.

Thanks!

All of the rain up there gets to people. ;D

WABronco
12-18-2009, 05:38 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/18/locker-didnt-get-a-first-round-grade-from-advisory-committee/

Despite a proclamation by ESPN's Todd McShay that Locker would/should/could be the first overall pick (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/14/husky-nation-rejoice-locker-returning/), a league source tells us that Locker didn't receive a first-round grade from the Advisory Committee.

Hahahaha.

Honestly though, I don't have that hard of a time believing this. While his workouts would have put him in the conversation, without question, if you actually watch him you can see he still has rough edges. In his sophomore year he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, at times. The difference between him and others of his ilk...he has all the tools to be a passer.

TonyR
12-19-2009, 08:31 AM
Hahahaha.


I liked this quote from the article about McShay calling him a first rounder:

"That's the problem," the source opined. "McShay is clueless. Up until three weeks before the 2008 draft, he said that [Kentucky's] Andre Woodson would be a first-round pick. He went in the sixth and is out of the league."

"The problem I have with people like McShay saying stupid things is parents and others who 'advise' these kids think McShay knows what he is talking about," the source said. "And they believe him before they believe the Advisory Committee. Then, when the kids go a lot lower than projected they are pissed and/or depressed. . . . This stuff happens every year and we have to deal with the broken hearts because people who don't know what they are talking about put visions of grandeur into young players' heads."

elsid13
12-19-2009, 11:14 AM
Looks like Florio is making **** up again. From the Seattle paper


"He called me pretty much first thing Monday morning and said he was writing a paper, and then we yakked a little bit and he said 'yeah, I've decided what I'm going to do,''' Scott Locker said. "I knew at that point what his decision was going to be.''

Scott Locker said his first reaction was to ask if Jake didn't want to wait to see what the NFL Advisory Committee would say.


"He said 'that's really not part of it for me, Dad. It really doesn't matter where they had me,''' Scott Locker said.



Instead, what Jake Locker told his father is that what was important was that "I want to go back and play one more year of college and experience it to the fullest so I can be there for the full time and then move on to basically getting a job and doing what I'm meant to do.''


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/huskyfootballblog/2010527390_scott_locker_talks_about_jakes.html

Inkana7
12-19-2009, 12:34 PM
Colt McCoy would be perfect in this offense.

DBroncos4life
12-19-2009, 01:53 PM
Colt McCoy would be perfect in this offense.

Only if we can get him in the second round.

Lolad
12-19-2009, 03:07 PM
ROFL!

Bradford is the best pocket QB to come through the college game since Peyton Manning. You'll be hearing alot of those comparisons as the draft gets closer.

I saw the same thing happen with Adrian Peterson. AD was hurt, and people started questioning his ability. He was so transcendent (to use your word) that scouts still wouldnt allow him to slip too far. Bradford transcends the college game as well. He's a big, athletic kid (more athletic than Manning) with a strong arm. When you're talking about pure passing ability, we arent waiting for Bradford to come around behind some magical coaching...the guy is super-accurate with every throw in the playbook. He is already there. He is mature, a natural leader, and probably the most intelligent football player (football IQ) to be drafted in the first round of next year's draft.

Bradford has been brilliant since his freshman season. He hasnt been okay or a game manager or just barely getting it done since his freshman season, he has been a star QB.

Just as with AD, the teams that pass on Bradford will rue the day.

I'm hoping they do pass on him and we pick him up in the 1st round!

TonyR
12-19-2009, 04:22 PM
Bradford is the best pocket QB to come through the college game since Peyton Manning. You'll be hearing alot of those comparisons as the draft gets closer.

I saw the same thing happen with Adrian Peterson. AD was hurt, and people started questioning his ability.

It is interesting how Bradford was thought to be not only the top QB prospect but perhaps the top pro prospect period before the season, and with the injury derailing his season he's now falling out of the top 5 and behind some QB's like Locker, Clausen, and even Mallett in some mocks. Is it all the injury scaring people or have people forgotten how good he is?

Inkana7
12-19-2009, 09:26 PM
It is interesting how Bradford was thought to be not only the top QB prospect but perhaps the top pro prospect period before the season, and with the injury derailing his season he's now falling out of the top 5 and behind some QB's like Locker, Clausen, and even Mallett in some mocks. Is it all the injury scaring people or have people forgotten how good he is?

I think it was the fact that not having 7 seconds to throw every pass highlighted his flaws this season.

epicSocialism4tw
12-20-2009, 11:29 AM
It is interesting how Bradford was thought to be not only the top QB prospect but perhaps the top pro prospect period before the season, and with the injury derailing his season he's now falling out of the top 5 and behind some QB's like Locker, Clausen, and even Mallett in some mocks. Is it all the injury scaring people or have people forgotten how good he is?

It is the injury situation.

There were no flaws to highlight as one poster commented about. His rating was through the roof in the games that he played in. The issue with scouts is the same that was tagged on Adrian Peterson..."can he hold up?"

This is Bradford's first real injury. Adrian had ankle problems off and on throughout his OU career.

Bradford is legit. If you put him behind a good LT, he'll light up a secondary every week.

epicSocialism4tw
12-20-2009, 11:32 AM
I think it was the fact that not having 7 seconds to throw every pass highlighted his flaws this season.

Not really.

Sam Bradford's stats:
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188934

Bronco Warrior
12-20-2009, 11:56 AM
Locker will be a top 5 NFL pick next year, especially under Sarkesian for another year! Sark is happier than a puppy with two peters! (he told my bro in law and BIL's Dad (Ex BYU DC Ken Schmidt). If Locker plays Baseball I'll get to see him here..we have the Angels AA team, but the guy will be in the NFL after next year bank on it! The guy has the most raw talent of anybody at QB on the radar!

PS Everybody go back and watch Brandstater's college tape, and see if you think we have a great starter in the making ;) The guy is big mobile and has a cannon bigger than Cutler's

Inkana7
12-20-2009, 11:58 AM
Not really.

Sam Bradford's stats:
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188934

Woo stats. Hi Bob.

The Sam Bradford I saw this year looked nothing like the one I watched last year.

Bronco Warrior
12-20-2009, 12:03 PM
Bradford is legit! He has all the tools a Pro QB needs...Oh wait except size, arm strength, mobility, and oh yeah toughness/durability! Other than that he is a top 5 pick!

PS Max Hall is a better prospect by a mile and he chokes sometimes in big games! On the plus side he comes from a pro style offense and could play right away! Bradford doesn't and couldn't ;)

Bronco Warrior
12-20-2009, 12:05 PM
Woo stats. Hi Bob.

The Sam Bradford I saw this year looked nothing like the one I watched last year.

I totally agree! Bradford was average at best against my Cougars and paid for his holding the ball too long with an injury. Take it from a guy who has had 3 grade 1 and a grade 2 seperation of my right shoulder...surgery or not it will always be suspect!

epicSocialism4tw
12-20-2009, 12:27 PM
Woo stats. Hi Bob.

The Sam Bradford I saw this year looked nothing like the one I watched last year.

You mean the one that got hurt in the first game of the season? ROFL!

Could that possibly be the reason? Ha!

Well, if nothing else can prove you to be wrong then certainly the realization that you are in full agreement with "Bronco Warrior" should do the trick.

Bronco Warrior
12-20-2009, 12:43 PM
You mean the one that got hurt in the first game of the season? ROFL!

Could that possibly be the reason? Ha!

Well, if nothing else can prove you to be wrong then certainly the realization that you are in full agreement with "Bronco Warrior" should do the trick.

I watched my Cougars rattle him like he had shaken baby syndrome. Just because some of us don't suck on Bradfords sack like the rest of you don't make a good man bad! :D

wwwwhen he sucks as a pro you gonna blame it on the shoulder too? If we want a immobile, skinny weak armed, first read passer we should just keep Orton!

epicSocialism4tw
12-20-2009, 12:45 PM
I watched my Cougars rattle him like he had shaken baby syndrome. Just because some of us don't suck on Bradfords sack like the rest of you don't make a good man bad! :D

wwwwhen he sucks as a pro you gonna blame it on the shoulder too? If we want a immobile, skinny weak armed, first read passer we should just keep Orton!

Dont you have some jeans that need stonewashing?

The air guitar finals are coming up and you need to get into form.

Inkana7
12-20-2009, 12:49 PM
You mean the one that got hurt in the first game of the season? ROFL!

Could that possibly be the reason? Ha!

Well, if nothing else can prove you to be wrong then certainly the realization that you are in full agreement with "Bronco Warrior" should do the trick.

Yeah, and he looked awesome that first game. Leading OU to what, 10 points? What a champ.

Bronco Warrior
12-20-2009, 12:58 PM
Dont you have some jeans that need stonewashing?

The air guitar finals are coming up and you need to get into form.

You can always tell the losers who don't have a football point cause they take personal shots at their betters!
PS never wore stonewashed even back in the day, and you fags are paying 200 bucks a pair today for the style us "80's Rockers" invented 25 years ago.. How stupid are you?

Oh and I get paid to actually preform on stage with a real band so my air guitar practive has had to be cut way back!:clown:
Keep playing Madden cause you could never play the game and playing RockBand cause nobody would pay to have you perform ;)!

Bronco Warrior
12-20-2009, 01:00 PM
Yeah, and he looked awesome that first game. Leading OU to what, 10 points? What a champ.

Back on POINT: One of those scores was his backup! Bradford was Sadford against my Cougars!!

epicSocialism4tw
12-20-2009, 01:00 PM
Yeah, and he looked awesome that first game. Leading OU to what, 10 points? What a champ.

Ah...I see. You dont really know what happened and are reaching for anything you can to try to diminish Bradford's reputation.

Bradford didnt play in the second half of that game and was 10/14 for 96 yards and a TD in the first half. Oklahoma fumbled the ball a couple of times...I believe it was Murray and one of the WR's.

Lets get the facts straight. I dont think that yourself and Bronco Warrior are into facts though, so whatever.

TheChamp24
12-21-2009, 08:12 AM
So, to go back about Inkana and Bronco Warrior's smacking of Bradford, lets point a couple things out.
One of these is Bradford, the other Peyton Manning
6'4", 223 pounds
6'5", 230 pounds

Not much difference there.
As for his mobility, that is a completely false. He has good mobility, not his fault people don't think so because he got hurt on two blitzes that went unblocked. Heck, the Texas hit was a designed rollout right into a safety blitz, tell me how you avoid a safety right in your face as you roll out.

Arm strength, no he doesn't have a cannon, but neither does Brady. Bradford can hit the deep ball just fine, he did it plenty last year.

Accuracy, the guy is spot on with his passes.

Guy is brilliant and has the right attitude to work and get things done, watch tape to get better. He won't be a Jamarcus Russell.

I love people questioning his toughness/durability. He got shots taken last year(2008) that people forget and he came back from them just fine. Heck, he played with torn thumb ligaments as well that year. He played well in the Championship game against Florida but his WR's decided to lay an egg on him. His 2 picks were result of dropped passes.

Anyways, he will be a great prospect and I think he will succeed in the NFL. Some people just like to nitpick against prospects, trying to find flaws in a player that aren't there.

elsid13
12-21-2009, 08:21 AM
Bradford isn't 6'4. That collage inflation of height/weight. I would put him in about 6'2 and in low 200. His accuracy is vastly overrated because of the spread offense, a very good collage oline over the his career and NFL talent in skill positions. I am concerned if can he make the NFL throws, because that spread offense doesn't require him too. There not many mid/deep outs or skinny post. Also he doesn't have great release and is going to struggle playing under center at the beginning of his career.

Bradford is not bad, but he far from best QB prospect that people make him out to be. He remind me of Matt Lienert or Quinn coming out.

epicSocialism4tw
12-21-2009, 09:37 AM
Bradford isn't 6'4. That collage inflation of height/weight. I would put him in about 6'2 and in low 200. His accuracy is vastly overrated because of the spread offense, a very good collage oline over the his career and NFL talent in skill positions. I am concerned if can he make the NFL throws, because that spread offense doesn't require him too. There not many mid/deep outs or skinny post. Also he doesn't have great release and is going to struggle playing under center at the beginning of his career.

Bradford is not bad, but he far from best QB prospect that people make him out to be. He remind me of Matt Lienert or Quinn coming out.

How are you so sure that Bradford isnt listed correctly? Bradford looks plenty tall on the field.

elsid13
12-21-2009, 09:56 AM
How are you so sure that Bradford isnt listed correctly? Bradford looks plenty tall on the field.

A) because OU has history (like most major colleges) has history of adding to the weight and height of player.

B) During ESPN college day segment between Bradford and McCoy they were about the same height. McCoy is listed at 6'3. (right)

C) http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2009/0811/ncf_g_tebow_mccoy_bradford_300.jpg

Tebow is also listed at 6'3 but dwarfs McCoy and is on par with Bradford

epicSocialism4tw
12-21-2009, 09:58 AM
A) because OU has history (like most major colleges) has history of adding to the weight and height of player.

B) During ESPN college day segment between Bradford and McCoy they were about the same height. McCoy is listed at 6'3. (right)

C) http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2009/0811/ncf_g_tebow_mccoy_bradford_300.jpg

Tebow is also listed at 6'3 but dwarfs McCoy and is on par with Bradford

On par? Seriously? Bradford looks like he's almost two inches taller in that picture.

SoonerBronco
12-21-2009, 10:50 AM
A) because OU has history (like most major colleges) has history of adding to the weight and height of player.

B) During ESPN college day segment between Bradford and McCoy they were about the same height. McCoy is listed at 6'3. (right)

C) http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2009/0811/ncf_g_tebow_mccoy_bradford_300.jpg

Tebow is also listed at 6'3 but dwarfs McCoy and is on par with Bradford


Are you blind? Bradford looks 2 inches taller than McCoy and about an inch taller than Tebow.

SoonerBronco
12-21-2009, 11:09 AM
So, to go back about Inkana and Bronco Warrior's smacking of Bradford, lets point a couple things out.
One of these is Bradford, the other Peyton Manning
6'4", 223 pounds
6'5", 230 pounds

Not much difference there.
As for his mobility, that is a completely false. He has good mobility, not his fault people don't think so because he got hurt on two blitzes that went unblocked. Heck, the Texas hit was a designed rollout right into a safety blitz, tell me how you avoid a safety right in your face as you roll out.

Arm strength, no he doesn't have a cannon, but neither does Brady. Bradford can hit the deep ball just fine, he did it plenty last year.

Accuracy, the guy is spot on with his passes.

Guy is brilliant and has the right attitude to work and get things done, watch tape to get better. He won't be a Jamarcus Russell.

I love people questioning his toughness/durability. He got shots taken last year(2008) that people forget and he came back from them just fine. Heck, he played with torn thumb ligaments as well that year. He played well in the Championship game against Florida but his WR's decided to lay an egg on him. His 2 picks were result of dropped passes.

Anyways, he will be a great prospect and I think he will succeed in the NFL. Some people just like to nitpick against prospects, trying to find flaws in a player that aren't there.


it's the same "Omane Masterminds" that give these same great cirtiques every year. I wish I could find the poll I started about who would be the better pro, Adrian Peterson or Reggie Bush. Bush was the overwhelming choice the the Omane Masterminds.

They dog Bradford and want a guy who went from "couldn't hit the broadside of a barn" last year to 2800 yards, 21 TD's and 11 INT's against that tough PAC-10 conference this year.

Like Skillet said, Bradford was 10/14 for 96 yards 1 TD and was throwing for the End Zone when he got hurt. So, how folks can say that BYU was "beating him senseless" is simply wishfull thinking.

It's obvious that NONE of us are NFL scouts, but some of us are way worse than others.