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phillybroncosnut
12-13-2009, 11:33 AM
Fans can call for hillis all they want.... It doesn't matter who is running the ball in short yardage situations, that RB is given ZERO chance by this O-Line....
Sometimes in Football, there are play where skill goes out the window and its about heart and pride. This O-Line has neither when it comes to short yardage. I guess if your calling the plays, you have to call passes but that that isnt the recipe to winning football. This O-Line gives us no choice. From now on, we gotta go to the air on 3rd and 4th downs, no matter how close it is.

cousinal11
12-13-2009, 11:34 AM
Our run blocking blows hard.

frerottenextelway
12-13-2009, 11:35 AM
Why when Moreno clearly got hurt on 1st down, did we run him on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th? He could barely stand.

DHallblows
12-13-2009, 11:37 AM
Why when Moreno clearly got hurt on 1st down, did we run him on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th? He could barely stand.

Seriously. I noticed that, too. A retarded person with no knowledge of the playbook would have a better chance of doing something than someone with one leg. Pass instead or get another RB out there

bronco militia
12-13-2009, 11:45 AM
vs mathis and Freany?

really?

they are playing ok. overall the playcalling is pretty basic

phillybroncosnut
12-13-2009, 11:49 AM
vs mathis and Freany?

really?

they are playing ok. overall the playcalling is pretty basic

I'm talking short yardage bro.... All season it's been fail, fail, fail on short yardage run plays... The O-Line never "Man's up" on heart plays. I'm fine with the O-Line on pass protection and first down runs.

bronco militia
12-13-2009, 11:52 AM
I'm talking short yardage bro.... All season it's been fail, fail, fail on short yardage run plays... The O-Line never "Man's up" on heart plays. I'm fine with the O-Line on pass protection and first down runs.

that's been a problem for years.....

try a\the QB sneak

razorwire77
12-13-2009, 11:52 AM
Time to draft some interior linemen.

Premier-Ace55
12-13-2009, 11:57 AM
The broncos substitution packages on offense are trash why even call timeouts but that is just a monday morning QB opinion

ElwayMD
12-13-2009, 12:03 PM
way to learn your lesson McD!

ElwayMD
12-13-2009, 12:04 PM
nice block Moreno!

/sarcasm

broncobum6162
12-13-2009, 12:10 PM
that's been a problem for years.....

try a\the QB sneak

It was there in 2 quarter when Moreno got stuffed for a 2 yd loss.

Jesterhole
12-13-2009, 12:12 PM
This entire team is just waiting to go 10-6.

Don Flamenco
12-13-2009, 12:17 PM
Our run blocking on short yardage especially at the goal line improved for the first time in i don't know how many years. This is pretty much the same line, but for some reason has regressed. WTF?

Doggcow
12-13-2009, 12:57 PM
We lost this game on 3rd/4th and short...

snowspot66
12-13-2009, 01:09 PM
We lost this game on 3rd/4th and short...

Yep. This loss is on the line. Orton played pretty well. Running game never had a chance.

Drek
12-13-2009, 01:17 PM
Just too weak on the interior. Replacing Harris with Polumbus only magnifies the problem, but the only power we have between the tackles is Kuper, and while he's a good OG he isn't a great OG.

Weigman is a good double team partner and solid in zone blocking, but he can't really take on a powerful DT on his own in either the run or the pass straight up.

Hamilton had the same issues and that is why he's lost playing time to Hochstein, who is doing an ok job but much like Polumbus, he isn't a guy you're happy to have starting at this point.

We need to draft some real interior OLs for this system, then the offense will start to look a whole lot better.

epicSocialism4tw
12-13-2009, 01:21 PM
Just too weak on the interior. Replacing Harris with Polumbus only magnifies the problem, but the only power we have between the tackles is Kuper, and while he's a good OG he isn't a great OG.

Weigman is a good double team partner and solid in zone blocking, but he can't really take on a powerful DT on his own in either the run or the pass straight up.

Hamilton had the same issues and that is why he's lost playing time to Hochstein, who is doing an ok job but much like Polumbus, he isn't a guy you're happy to have starting at this point.

We need to draft some real interior OLs for this system, then the offense will start to look a whole lot better.

This team will be better off focusing their free agent dollars on the interior line than drafting and waiting on rooks to get in step.

snowspot66
12-13-2009, 01:28 PM
This team will be better off focusing their free agent dollars on the interior line than drafting and waiting on rooks to get in step.

CBA might make signing players tricky this year. May as well draft some and hope a few of the recent picks can step in and play.

dsmoot
12-13-2009, 02:09 PM
We lost this game on 3rd/4th and short...

My recollection tells me we were rarely in 2cd and short or 3rd and very short. We weren't particularly consistent in any yardage situation. Rarely did we have the Colt defense on their heels where we able to put the Colt's in a disadvantage.

snowspot66
12-13-2009, 02:21 PM
My recollection tells me we were rarely in 2cd and short or 3rd and very short. We weren't particularly consistent in any yardage situation. Rarely did we have the Colt defense on their heels where we able to put the Colt's in a disadvantage.

Your recollection is wrong. We were within a yard of a fresh set of downs numerous times today. At least four or five at critical points in the game and we only converted once on the QB sneak.

dsmoot
12-13-2009, 02:38 PM
Your recollection is wrong. We were within a yard of a fresh set of downs numerous times today. At least four or five at critical points in the game and we only converted once on the QB sneak.

I didn't disagree with you. I am sorry I didn't attach my other post game comments on our OL. We are physically overmatched in short yardage and have been for the last 2 - 3 years. None of this was uncovered today. It just magnifies itself when we play very good teams and are not able to sustain drives or settle for 3 pts instead of 7. What I was commenting on was we were rarely in an advantageous yardage situation all day long.

snowspot66
12-13-2009, 02:39 PM
I didn't disagree with you. I am sorry I didn't attach my other post game comments on our OL. We are physically overmatched in short yardage and have been for the last 2 - 3 years. None of this was uncovered today. It just magnifies itself when we play very good teams and are not able to sustain drives or settle for 3 pts instead of 7. What I was commenting on was we were rarely in an advantageous yardage situation all day long.

It's sad when I was actually happy when we took penalties to get out of down and a yard or less. That should be a given....

bap454
12-13-2009, 05:10 PM
What really gets me is why run Moreno over and over again on short yardage when you have the hammer hillis at your disposal... even Im not that dumb ( It only took me 3years at the hot dog packaging facility before I made supervisor.)

Popps
12-13-2009, 05:10 PM
Harris would have helped today.

BlaK-Argentina
12-13-2009, 05:18 PM
If we could find bigger, better replacements for Hochstein and Weigmann it would be perfect. Tough thing to do.

We are getting ZERO push from the interior oline on short plays. It's awful. No RB can make a play when 3 guys are already in front of him as soon as he gets the ball.

broncocalijohn
12-13-2009, 05:59 PM
that's been a problem for years.....

try a\the QB sneak

we did finally try it and it worked. Why we dont use it more often confuses me. THis part of the game is hard hitted for McD. I am noticing more now (at least in the last two games) that Clady is either not blocking the correct guy or is getting beat. This wasnt like him last year and not sure what the problem is in 2009. He had one sack against him all of last year. If it is a short yardage situation and you dont sneak it up the middle, sweep, sweep and more sweep.....or just pass the ball to Marshall.

bpc
12-13-2009, 06:00 PM
The OL was great last year. Only a few things have changed since then. Coaching, scheme, QB, etc, Harris being hurt although I thought Polumbus did pretty damn well against Mathis today.

I wonder what happened?

Mr.Meanie
12-13-2009, 06:27 PM
The OL was great last year. Only a few things have changed since then. Coaching, scheme, QB, etc, Harris being hurt although I thought Polumbus did pretty damn well against Mathis today.

I wonder what happened?

Coaching, scheme, QB, RT and LG is not exactly small...

bpc
12-13-2009, 06:40 PM
Guess you missed the sarcasm about the first three.

Once again, OL was great last year. Bad coaching?

ColoradoBuff
12-13-2009, 06:48 PM
Weigman sucks in this running scheme. Flat out sucks!

snowspot66
12-13-2009, 07:02 PM
Any good centers and left guards in the draft or FA? How big are our backups? Maybe one of our recent draft picks can step in.

broncocalijohn
12-13-2009, 07:07 PM
This entire team is just waiting to go 10-6.

that means 2 wins out of the next 3.... I will take that.

lex
12-13-2009, 07:13 PM
Weigman sucks in this running scheme. Flat out sucks!

The same Wiegmann that dominated Kris Jenkins last year?

lex
12-13-2009, 07:14 PM
Any good centers and left guards in the draft or FA? How big are our backups? Maybe one of our recent draft picks can step in.

Its not a great year for centers. It would really help if a few juniors would enter the draft.

snowspot66
12-13-2009, 07:19 PM
Its not a great year for centers. It would really help if a few juniors would enter the draft.

That Olsen is a big boy. Was he drafted as a G or a C? Wasn't he a second or third round guy too? Maybe we'll get lucky and he can step in next year. At 308 he could get some push going.

lex
12-13-2009, 07:32 PM
That Olsen is a big boy. Was he drafted as a G or a C? Wasn't he a second or third round guy too? Maybe we'll get lucky and he can step in next year. At 308 he could get some push going.

Olsen was a lower round pick (I think 6th or 5th), not a 3rd. He is also an OG that played in the ZBS in college. I really hope, we sign Mawae for a year and the juniors turn pro.

Beantown Bronco
12-13-2009, 07:51 PM
Guess you missed the sarcasm about the first three.

Once again, OL was great last year. Bad coaching?

Same as last year. Great against scrubs. Struggle more against the good teams. Problem is, we're facing more top 5 defenses this year than top 15 defenses last year.

Add in the injuries this year that we didn't have last year + all of the other variables that have already been mentioned, and you have what you see now.

snowspot66
12-13-2009, 08:41 PM
Olsen was a lower round pick (I think 6th or 5th), not a 3rd. He is also an OG that played in the ZBS in college. I really hope, we sign Mawae for a year and the juniors turn pro.

Who was it we drafted in the 2nd or 3rd? I could have sworn we drafted a lineman there. Maybe I'm just dreaming.

lex
12-13-2009, 08:49 PM
Who was it we drafted in the 2nd or 3rd? I could have sworn we drafted a lineman there. Maybe I'm just dreaming.

It was the 4th.

http://blog.denversportsblog.com/2009/04/25/denver-broncos-2009-draft-picks.aspx

They used the 2 thirds to move up to take Quinn.

TheReverend
12-13-2009, 09:01 PM
I'll bet every team/fan message board in the league has many, many threads knocking their teams short yardage rushing.

bpc
12-13-2009, 09:37 PM
Same as last year. Great against scrubs. Struggle more against the good teams. Problem is, we're facing more top 5 defenses this year than top 15 defenses last year.

Add in the injuries this year that we didn't have last year + all of the other variables that have already been mentioned, and you have what you see now.

Scheme looked fine last year. Maybe it's coaching?

snowspot66
12-13-2009, 09:40 PM
I'll bet every team/fan message board in the league has many, many threads knocking their teams short yardage rushing.

I'm sure they do. But ours is clearly bad. And has been for some time. Nobody can deny that. We simply cannot run for 1 yard when we absolutely need to. That is not a recipe for success.

Paladin
12-13-2009, 09:49 PM
Scheme looked fine last year. Maybe it's coaching?

Of course it is --according to your biased attitudes. It is also the coaching that has the Broncso at 8-5 and on the cusp of the playoffs. What in the holy h3ll does a team have to do to get people off their backs? There is strong correlation between people who pounded the McD hire and the current b7^ching session. Also, the Cutler trade is still the underlying cause of much of the BS posting you see here.

Orton. He's the QB now. Cutler isn't here. McD is the coach. He has been moving this team to a much better profile than last year and the previous two. Try and get behind the team, okay? If you can't, go cheer for the Bears or the Cowboys or somebody else. All the negative energy just sucks and is unnecessary........

Bronco Yoda
12-13-2009, 09:56 PM
I can't wait to see what we do this offseason with the O-line. If we really are going to go away from the ZBS, then big changes will need to be made.

Durango
12-13-2009, 09:57 PM
We lost this game on 3rd/4th and short...

Add in Ortons' goal-line pick and I'd agree. 6 for 17 on 3rd down is terrible. 0 for whatever on fourth down is suicide. This running game just isn't getting it done, and whether or not it's largely the fault of the O-line is somewhat debatable. I guess an observer like me knows few of the film cues the coaches study, but it just seems to me that Moreno is just a journeyman RB. Not bad, but not great either.

The defense did it's part. I was thinking this game was headed for a blow-out when the score ran up to 21-0 in the second quarter, but Nolan changed things up and the players never let up.

We need some players to move up to the level of the Colts, but it doesn't seem that far off any longer.

ZONA
12-13-2009, 10:00 PM
I agree the offensive line did not run block well today but some of the blame has to go to Moreno also. Yes, many of the times there was not alot of room to run but there were also some plays where he hesitated while trying to figure out where he was going and on a few I thought he showed poor vision. Combine the two and you have an awful day of running. What's very sad is that the Colts are not a great run stopping team.

Fore sure this team has got to find a few new interior linemen for next year. I would actually draft a few and sign a few in FA.

But hey, all said and done, we had our chances to win this game and blew it. 3 time in the red zone we cam away empty (missed FG, INT, Downs).


Side note: Congrats Marshall, you were a beast out there today. To bad the defense couldn't stop the Colts on that last drive or he probably would have ended up with like 25 catches.

bpc
12-13-2009, 11:28 PM
Of course it is --according to your biased attitudes. It is also the coaching that has the Broncso at 8-5 and on the cusp of the playoffs. What in the holy h3ll does a team have to do to get people off their backs? There is strong correlation between people who pounded the McD hire and the current b7^ching session. Also, the Cutler trade is still the underlying cause of much of the BS posting you see here.

Orton. He's the QB now. Cutler isn't here. McD is the coach. He has been moving this team to a much better profile than last year and the previous two. Try and get behind the team, okay? If you can't, go cheer for the Bears or the Cowboys or somebody else. All the negative energy just sucks and is unnecessary........

I'm firmly behind the team and I support Orton as the starter this year, because we have nothing else. If we are to take the proper steps next season, that should change. I'm happy about this team. We won't make it far into the playoffs if we get there but I think playoffs in the first year is the proper step.

We have to retool next year at a few positions. Overall i'm happy about the product on the field. Defense has looked great. Offense is mainly Marshall, whenever they can get him the ball. Gotta keep getting better.

azbroncfan
12-14-2009, 07:57 AM
Hillis can run through brick walls they should of given it to him right?

Kaylore
12-14-2009, 08:17 AM
We need to get bigger and better on the inside. The Colts were more powerful and phyiscal than us yesterday. And that contributed to all the penalties.

Rabb
12-14-2009, 08:23 AM
I agree the offensive line did not run block well today but some of the blame has to go to Moreno also. Yes, many of the times there was not alot of room to run but there were also some plays where he hesitated while trying to figure out where he was going and on a few I thought he showed poor vision. Combine the two and you have an awful day of running. What's very sad is that the Colts are not a great run stopping team.

Fore sure this team has got to find a few new interior linemen for next year. I would actually draft a few and sign a few in FA.

But hey, all said and done, we had our chances to win this game and blew it. 3 time in the red zone we cam away empty (missed FG, INT, Downs).


Side note: Congrats Marshall, you were a beast out there today. To bad the defense couldn't stop the Colts on that last drive or he probably would have ended up with like 25 catches.

yep, exactly...it is on the line and the back in this case

this might have been the first game this year where I was literally screaming at the TV because I don't understand the stubbornness with Hillis

Buck was getting it done before he was hurt, we needed a power back in there

McD was way freaking stubborn with the play calling also, I kept waiting for that 3rd down play action in short yardage situations and wanted to tear my eyes out with some of the play selection

Moreno was terrible picking up blitzers and it hurt as well, overall it was a terrible offensive line game

baja
12-14-2009, 08:40 AM
Guess you missed the sarcasm about the first three.

Once again, OL was great last year. Bad coaching?

They have the same coach (Dennison) what is most different is we got away from the ZBS

cartel
12-14-2009, 08:40 AM
we've always struggled with the power run because of our small interior oline so why do we always seem to run up the middle? I just don't get it, pitch it out wide and let clady plow somebody. if mcd wants more of a power running game, draft some bigger guys but don't fool yourself this year and think you can get away with it. as we transition, do you think dennison stays since he's a zbs disciple?

lazarus4444
12-14-2009, 08:48 AM
The reason we didn't run wide was because the Colts have the fastest defense in the league and it's almost impossible to get the edge on them.

broncosteven
12-14-2009, 09:32 AM
I agree the offensive line did not run block well today but some of the blame has to go to Moreno also. Yes, many of the times there was not alot of room to run but there were also some plays where he hesitated while trying to figure out where he was going and on a few I thought he showed poor vision. Combine the two and you have an awful day of running. What's very sad is that the Colts are not a great run stopping team.

Fore sure this team has got to find a few new interior linemen for next year. I would actually draft a few and sign a few in FA.

But hey, all said and done, we had our chances to win this game and blew it. 3 time in the red zone we cam away empty (missed FG, INT, Downs).


Side note: Congrats Marshall, you were a beast out there today. To bad the defense couldn't stop the Colts on that last drive or he probably would have ended up with like 25 catches.

Our run game crapped out once Buckhalter got hurt. Moreno would have a decent carry then get pummeled for a 4 yard loss. Deep in the game he had a 2 yard avg.

I know Moreno played through some pain in the 3rd quarter but why did he have to be in there picking up 2-3 YPC when you had a backup RB on the bench who is fresh?

The Oline is above avg in pass pro but is avg to below avg in run blocking. We need a new Center, a LG and a healthy Harris at RT.

Rabb
12-14-2009, 09:33 AM
Our run game crapped out once Buckhalter got hurt. Moreno would have a decent carry then get pummeled for a 4 yard loss. Deep in the game he had a 2 yard avg.

I know Moreno played through some pain in the 3rd quarter but why did he have to be in there picking up 2-3 YPC when you had a backup RB on the bench who is fresh?

The Oline is above avg in pass pro but is avg to below avg in run blocking. We need a new Center, a LG and a healthy Harris at RT.

isn't that odd?

:wiggle:

Hulamau
12-14-2009, 01:12 PM
Scheme looked fine last year. Maybe it's coaching?

Yeah, let's fire McD and Dennison and bring back Shanny, that's the ticket :-) Ha!

TonyR
12-14-2009, 01:33 PM
Colts are ranked 18th in D against the run. We sure made them look better than that.

Cito Pelon
12-14-2009, 02:00 PM
I'll bet every team/fan message board in the league has many, many threads knocking their teams short yardage rushing.

Yeah.

Any thread concerning this 2009 team that has "disgrace" in the title should be in the Butt.

WolfpackGuy
12-14-2009, 02:03 PM
The line is fine.

The inline power running game that "The Coach" is force feeding them is not so fine.

Dennison and Turner are probably gone as soon as Shanahan gets his next job.

mhgaffney
12-14-2009, 04:06 PM
I heard Shanny will go to Dallas...

Just a rumor.