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gyldenlove
12-10-2009, 07:00 PM
Tie breakers for two teams in same division:

1. Head to head (split)
2. Division record (SD 5-1, Den 3-1)
3. Record against shared opponents (SD 8-3, Den 7-4)
4. Conference record (SD 7-3, Den 6-3)
5. Record of teams defeated (SD 44-64, Den 48-48)


I have divided into scenarios based on the outcome of the remaining games we play vs. the games the Chargers play. Each team has 16 different possible outcomes in terms of wins and losses, making for a lot of different combinations, fortunately some can are trivial and some are symmetric so the problem can be reduced somewhat, for reasons of time and effort I have decided to not consider all eventualities for San Diego’s record.

Case 1: Broncos 4-0. If…
San Diego 4-0 SD AFCWC outright
San Diego 3-1 with loss to Tennessee, SD AFCWC on tie breaker 3 (11-3 vs. 10-4)
San Diego 3-1 with loss not to Tenn, TB 3 splits at 10-4. If loss to Dallas then Denver AFCWC TB 5, if loss to neither Tenn nor Dallas Denver AFCWC on TB 4
San Diego 2-2 or worse, Denver AFCWC outright

Case 2:
A)Broncos 3-1. With loss to KC or Oak.
San Diego 4-0 or 3-1 AFCWC outright
San Diego 2-2 SD AFCWC on TB 2.
San Diego 1-3 or worse Den AFCWC outright.
B) Broncos 3-1. With loss to Phi.
San Diego 4-0 or 3-1 AFCWC outright
SD 2-2 loss to Tenn then SD AFCWC on TB 3, win over Tenn then DEN AFCWC on TB 4.
San Diego 1-3 or worse Den AFCWC outright.
C) Broncos 3-1. Loss to Ind.
San Diego 4-0 or 3-1 AFCWC outright
SD 2-2 loss to Dallas Den AFCWC TB5, win over Dallas Den AFCWC TB 4.
San Diego 1-3 or worse Den AFCWC outright.

Case 3:
Broncos 2-2 Loss to either KC or Oak or both
San Diego 2-2 or better AFCWC outright
San Diego 1-3 SD AFCWC on TB 2
San Diego 0-4 Den AFCWC outright
Broncos 2-2 Loss to Phi and Ind
San Diego 2-2 or better AFCWC outright
San Diego 1-3 Win over Tenn Den AFCWC on TB 3, loss to Tenn Den AFCWC on TB 4
San Diego 0-4 Den AFCWC outright

Case 4:
Broncos 1-3
San Diego 1-3 or better wins outright
San Diego 0-4 SD wins on TB 2

Case 5:
Broncos 0-4
San Diego wins outright

SJ Bronco
12-10-2009, 07:31 PM
I just read all that....I need a hobby

Lev Vyvanse
12-10-2009, 07:47 PM
"""So you're saying there's a chance.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cQb2tKyozEQ/SZYb_wfCxqI/AAAAAAAAA3k/cH6BsdLZkFQ/s400/a_chance.jpeg
""""""""""""""""""""Yeah!!!

SJ Bronco
12-10-2009, 07:50 PM
"""So you're saying there's a chance.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cQb2tKyozEQ/SZYb_wfCxqI/AAAAAAAAA3k/cH6BsdLZkFQ/s400/a_chance.jpeg
""""""""""""""""""""Yeah!!!

Hilarious! Smart ass

Gort
12-10-2009, 07:58 PM
Tie breakers for two teams in same division:

1. Head to head (split)
2. Division record (SD 5-1, Den 3-1)
3. Record against shared opponents (SD 8-3, Den 7-4)
4. Conference record (SD 7-3, Den 6-3)
5. Record of teams defeated (SD 44-64, Den 48-48)


I have divided into scenarios based on the outcome of the remaining games we play vs. the games the Chargers play. Each team has 16 different possible outcomes in terms of wins and losses, making for a lot of different combinations, fortunately some can are trivial and some are symmetric so the problem can be reduced somewhat, for reasons of time and effort I have decided to not consider all eventualities for San Diego’s record.

Case 1: Broncos 4-0. If…
San Diego 4-0 SD AFCWC outright
San Diego 3-1 with loss to Tennessee, SD AFCWC on tie breaker 3 (11-3 vs. 10-4)
San Diego 3-1 with loss not to Tenn, TB 3 splits at 10-4. If loss to Dallas then Denver AFCWC TB 5, if loss to neither Tenn nor Dallas Denver AFCWC on TB 4
San Diego 2-2 or worse, Denver AFCWC outright

Case 2:
A)Broncos 3-1. With loss to KC or Oak.
San Diego 4-0 or 3-1 AFCWC outright
San Diego 2-2 SD AFCWC on TB 2.
San Diego 1-3 or worse Den AFCWC outright.
B) Broncos 3-1. With loss to Phi.
San Diego 4-0 or 3-1 AFCWC outright
SD 2-2 loss to Tenn then SD AFCWC on TB 3, win over Tenn then DEN AFCWC on TB 4.
San Diego 1-3 or worse Den AFCWC outright.
C) Broncos 3-1. Loss to Ind.
San Diego 4-0 or 3-1 AFCWC outright
SD 2-2 loss to Dallas Den AFCWC TB5, win over Dallas Den AFCWC TB 4.
San Diego 1-3 or worse Den AFCWC outright.

Case 3:
Broncos 2-2 Loss to either KC or Oak or both
San Diego 2-2 or better AFCWC outright
San Diego 1-3 SD AFCWC on TB 2
San Diego 0-4 Den AFCWC outright
Broncos 2-2 Loss to Phi and Ind
San Diego 2-2 or better AFCWC outright
San Diego 1-3 Win over Tenn Den AFCWC on TB 3, loss to Tenn Den AFCWC on TB 4
San Diego 0-4 Den AFCWC outright

Case 4:
Broncos 1-3
San Diego 1-3 or better wins outright
San Diego 0-4 SD wins on TB 2

Case 5:
Broncos 0-4
San Diego wins outright

why so complicated? just ask Magic 8 Ball.

"Magic 8 Ball, Will the Broncos make the playoffs?"

http://masteroftheuniverse.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/magic8ball.jpg

nevermind.

SportinOne
12-11-2009, 08:52 AM
No way San Diego makes it through Dallas, Tennessee, Cinci without a loss.

Washington is playing better but... yeah. I mean it's possible but we pretty much have to beat Indy and Philly, oh and the other two teams.

vancejohnson82
12-11-2009, 09:28 AM
honestly, we need SD to lose to Dallas this week...that brings the common opponent tiebreaker to our side....we MUST beat KC and Oakland....I think both teams will go 3-1 down the stretch. I'd rather beat Indy and lose to Philly if we need to take a loss because they arent in our conference.

Broncoman13
12-11-2009, 09:28 AM
I think it's safe to say that we're going to be a wild card team, or rather, the wild card is our best chance at the playoffs.

Prior to the year I would have told you that the only way I could see us getting in the playoffs was by winning the division. I also thought that the division winner could be 8-8 again and figured 9-7 would likely take it. Now, 10-6 is likely and 11-5 and even 12-4 are possible. These Broncos have really exceeded my expectations. Any post season work this year is gravy. I'd love to see guys like Tony Scheffler, Ryan Clady, Chris Kuper, Brandon Marshall, and Eddie Royal get their shots in the playoffs. They've worked hard these past few years and really deserve to feel the post season... and more importantly get some playoff experience. We still need a few more pieces. We need guys like Alphonso Smith, Robert Ayers, and Eddie Royal to come out like world beaters next year and then we can make a real push. Love the direction this team is heading in.

Dr. Broncenstein
12-11-2009, 09:34 AM
http://playoffstatus.com/nfl/nfl.html

This site is awesome... you can breakdown the playoff picture in just about any concievable manner.

SJ Bronco
12-11-2009, 10:13 AM
I'd love to beat Philly and Indy, for all of the reasons that are stated, and even the ones that go without saying, but the one that is nagging me is that, if we lose to Indy or philly or both, that gives the Cheaps and the Fade the ability to eliminate us. The thing they live for. I don't want to face these teams if they get to play spoiler.

Kaylore
12-11-2009, 10:16 AM
http://playoffstatus.com/nfl/nfl.html

This site is awesome.

So is this one

Furnitureporn
(http://www.furnitureporn.com/furnporn1.html)

broncocalijohn
12-11-2009, 12:45 PM
I think I will just wait a week or two to see if the tiebreaker will matter. Too early to rack my brain.

gyldenlove
12-11-2009, 12:55 PM
I think I will just wait a week or two to see if the tiebreaker will matter. Too early to rack my brain.

I would have done it after week 1 but it required too many character for 1 post.

The Joker
12-11-2009, 02:01 PM
If we lose to either KC or Oakland, we need to win more games than SD to win it.

If we win those two games however and find a way to equal SD's overall record, we own the tiebreaker in most scenarios.

baja
12-11-2009, 02:10 PM
If we lose to either KC or Oakland, we need to win more games than SD to win it.

If we win those two games however and find a way to equal SD's overall record, we own the tiebreaker in most scenarios.

Is it really that simple???

The Joker
12-11-2009, 02:12 PM
Is it really that simple???

More or less. :thanku:

Unless San Diego lose to Washington and we beat Philly.

Or else if we beat Indy and they lose to Tennessee.

Think that's pretty much it...