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tsiguy96
12-08-2009, 01:14 PM
per denver post

The Joker
12-08-2009, 01:15 PM
****bucket.

tsiguy96
12-08-2009, 01:15 PM
Right tackle Ryan Harris will not play again this season for the Broncos.
Harris dislocated his big toe on his right foot Nov. 1 at Baltimore and re-injured it in the first quarter of Sunday’s game at Kansas City, his first game back in the lineup.
Harris visited a sports medicine specialist in Vail on Tuesday and was told he would not be able to play again this season, even if the Broncos make the playoffs.
Harris was replaced for five games and then again on Sunday by Tyler Polumbus, a graduate of Cherry Creek High and University of Colorado.
Harris, a third-round pick in 2007 out of Notre Dame, started all 16 games at right tackle for the Broncos last season, as well as the first seven games of 2009.


http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2009/12/08/rt-harris-done-for-season/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dp-blogs-broncos+%28Denver+Post%3A+Sports%3A+Broncos%3A+Blo g%29&utm_content=Twitter

polumbus played well against KC it seemed.

vancejohnson82
12-08-2009, 01:17 PM
damnit

Smiling Assassin27
12-08-2009, 01:19 PM
that hurts.

SonOfLe-loLang
12-08-2009, 01:20 PM
well, we've been without him for like 4 weeks now, so at least they are prepped. I dont really watch the line much (as i normally follow the ball), but as a unit they've held up

oubronco
12-08-2009, 01:21 PM
well at least Polumbus has been playing he's not just getting thrown to the wolves

Rohirrim
12-08-2009, 01:21 PM
Damn. That is bad news.

Pony Boy
12-08-2009, 01:22 PM
Toed you so

vancejohnson82
12-08-2009, 01:22 PM
well at least Polumbus has been playing he's not just getting thrown to the wolves

he had some tough games too....Pitt, Baltimore, SD

good way to prep for playoff type conditions (knocking on wood)

cabronco
12-08-2009, 01:26 PM
I didnt have a good feeling about it, when he left the game early against the Queefs.

cousinal11
12-08-2009, 01:33 PM
Mother****er!

kappys
12-08-2009, 01:35 PM
Polumbus started off pretty poorly but he seems to be improving. Then again the whole team is playing much better but I'm hoping its the former

Beantown Bronco
12-08-2009, 01:35 PM
Both of these are appropriate here I think:

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chex
12-08-2009, 01:35 PM
Hmmmm.

That sucks.

Master___Pain
12-08-2009, 01:36 PM
Polumbus has filled in pretty well. Sucks to lose Harris but it won't derail the rest of the year.

gyldenlove
12-08-2009, 01:37 PM
And I was just about to start a thread about how we haven't had any season ending injuries to starters, well mother**** that.

Soul-Bronco
12-08-2009, 01:42 PM
mathis might not play this week, so at least that will equal it out a bit

Borks147
12-08-2009, 01:45 PM
And I was just about to start a thread about how we haven't had any season ending injuries to starters, well mother**** that.

yes it sucks. but it happens. and he'll be good to go for next year, since only time heals this injury but it won't cause permanent damage.

definitely glad we have some good depth though

broncocalijohn
12-08-2009, 01:52 PM
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2009/12/08/rt-harris-done-for-season/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dp-blogs-broncos+%28Denver+Post%3A+Sports%3A+Broncos%3A+Blo g%29&utm_content=Twitter

polumbus played well against KC it seemed.

everyone plays well against KC. This f ing sucks. We know how valuable Harris is to that line. Polumbus is not even close to what Harris gives us.

colonelbeef
12-08-2009, 01:53 PM
Everyone has key injuries this time of year. He is a good player, but OL is a strength, the Broncos can afford to take a hit there. Orton, Dumervil, Bailey, Marshall- these are players that cannot be lost.

Master___Pain
12-08-2009, 01:55 PM
everyone plays well against KC. This f ing sucks. We know how valuable Harris is to that line. Polumbus is not even close to what Harris gives us.

Except for Clady;D

Polumbus played well against the G-men too. He's not as good as Harris but the drop off is not as severe as you are making it out to be.

Rulon Velvet Jones
12-08-2009, 01:56 PM
We'll know more on Mathis/Freeney come Wednesday's post-practice report. As of now, Polian doesn't seem to think it's that big of a deal. If he does play, there's no way he could be anywhere near 100% with a quad slowing him down.

uk bronco
12-08-2009, 02:02 PM
i can play right tackle they should sign me i'd play for rookie minimum

Popps
12-08-2009, 02:03 PM
Well this sucks.


I blame McDaniels, Orton and Moreno.

Victor
12-08-2009, 02:04 PM
Ronnie Lott would just cut off the toe. Come on Harris...man up.

BlaK-Argentina
12-08-2009, 02:04 PM
Well this sucks. Like it's been said... we have good depth and Polumbus has been decent. And of course we always have Graham to help out... but still, crap.

bronclvr
12-08-2009, 02:05 PM
I'm thankful that we don't have more Injuries-we could be in MUCH worse shape. Polumbus will do-

bronco militia
12-08-2009, 02:07 PM
this injury sucks because Kyle Orton is the best we've got at QB

BABronco
12-08-2009, 02:11 PM
Polumbus has done an surprisingly well job this year, when he has been needed.

Lolad
12-08-2009, 02:19 PM
Polumbus has played well the past 2 games. But he was embarrassed when he faced speed rushers. He didn't even engage

Anaximines
12-08-2009, 02:21 PM
This hurts Simms too

ward63
12-08-2009, 02:22 PM
Do we sign another OL or try to get something else? Since if we were in desperate need, we could put Hoch out to RT and Hamilton back to LG, if somehow Polumbus and Gorin go down.

oubronco
12-08-2009, 02:24 PM
And I was just about to start a thread about how we haven't had any season ending injuries to starters, well mother**** that.

well I guess you shouldn't have been Mother****ing thinking like that

Bronco Yoda
12-08-2009, 02:25 PM
This bites!

lex
12-08-2009, 02:25 PM
Do we sign another OL or try to get something else? Since if we were in desperate need, we could put Hoch out to RT and Hamilton back to LG, if somehow Polumbus and Gorin go down.

Kuper was ahead of Harris at RT last year until Kuper got hurt. If you look at Kupers combine #s, it suggests he could play tackle too.

broncofan2438
12-08-2009, 02:25 PM
Dam, that hurts, but it seems like the OL is starting to gell with the new unit

bronco militia
12-08-2009, 02:26 PM
This hurts Simms too

simms is done

barryr
12-08-2009, 02:26 PM
Polumbus has done an surprisingly well job this year, when he has been needed.

Agreed, but he will be tested big time with Mathis coming off the edge for the Colts.

ward63
12-08-2009, 02:30 PM
As long as Simms is done for his Bronco career!!!

Mr.Meanie
12-08-2009, 02:35 PM
Well that sucks. Our season may as well be over. The only thing that can salvage it is Peyton Hillis, to be honest.

Rabb
12-08-2009, 02:37 PM
Agreed, but he will be tested big time with Mathis coming off the edge for the Colts.

Mathis is banged up and might not play

ghwk
12-08-2009, 02:41 PM
If he was really a team player he would have just had them cut it off.

ghwk
12-08-2009, 02:43 PM
We could always sign Jamarcus Russell for cheap and put him in at tackle. God knows he's fat enough.

houghtam
12-08-2009, 02:46 PM
Hillis can play RT AND would still rush for more yards than Moreno.

/broncosfan7'd

barryr
12-08-2009, 02:46 PM
Mathis is banged up and might not play

If so, that is huge.

snowspot66
12-08-2009, 03:01 PM
Well this does suck but it also might force us into more two tight end packages and we've actually done really well in those packages. There was an article posting the stats and it's actually really good for both the pass and run game.

snowspot66
12-08-2009, 03:02 PM
If so, that is huge.

Quad injury. He won't play. They won't risk it. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Freeney plays sparingly or not at all. He's been hurt too and missed a chunk of time.

ZONA
12-08-2009, 03:05 PM
Funny but this could really help us come next year. I think we could slide Polumbus into the LG slot next year and this playing time could help him win that job. Just a thought.

ZONA
12-08-2009, 03:10 PM
Polumbus has played well the past 2 games. But he was embarrassed when he faced speed rushers. He didn't even engage

That's partly the coaches fault. If you watched the Sunday night game between the Cards and the Vikings, they used a back ALL NIGHT LONG to chip block on Allen and they contained him very well and they ended up slaughtering the Vikings. We would just need to do the same thing when we face a top DE. Granted, Orton is no Kurt Warner but chip blocking will give Orton that second or 2 extra we might need.

Also, seeing Harris re-injure that toe could send a message to the Colts about Freeney. Rush him back too soon and he could be lost for the playoffs.

snowspot66
12-08-2009, 03:13 PM
Funny but this could really help us come next year. I think we could slide Polumbus into the LG slot next year and this playing time could help him win that job. Just a thought.

Well he's big enough. If he pans out that would be great.

Los Broncos
12-08-2009, 03:40 PM
****!

watermock
12-08-2009, 03:53 PM
Overall Denver is quite healthy.

We can run left with Holstein, Clady, Graham and Marshall.

All day long and twice on Sundays.

We should start running the pitch that made TD famous.

fdf
12-08-2009, 03:55 PM
Except for Clady;D

Polumbus played well against the G-men too. He's not as good as Harris but the drop off is not as severe as you are making it out to be.

All those people who wanted to trade Foster and get rid of Pears are pretty sorry now, I bet.

lex
12-08-2009, 03:56 PM
Overall Denver is quite healthy.

We can run left with Holstein, Clady, Graham and Marshall.

All day long and twice on Sundays.

We should start running the pitch that made TD famous.

I love that play...Ill post it at the slightest mention.

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bpc
12-08-2009, 05:18 PM
This sucks. Hardly shakes his injury prone label.

The nice thing is Polumbus has nice upside, great size and has done a much better job than most think over the past 5 games.

I wonder if this rachets up interest in drafting OL earlier this coming April.

snowspot66
12-08-2009, 05:28 PM
This sucks. Hardly shakes his injury prone label.

The nice thing is Polumbus has nice upside, great size and has done a much better job than most think over the past 5 games.

I wonder if this rachets up interest in drafting OL earlier this coming April.

I'm sure the interest is already high. We need some big boys for the middle badly.

baja
12-08-2009, 05:35 PM
Question is why did we hurry back Harris against Kansas f**king City?

Florida_Bronco
12-08-2009, 05:38 PM
This sucks. Hardly shakes his injury prone label. Harris being labeled "injury prone", especially over this, is about the most intellectually vacant **** I've ever seen.

PRBronco
12-08-2009, 05:45 PM
I love that play...Ill post it at the slightest mention.

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:( Makes me miss Nails and Griffith too.

Great13
12-08-2009, 05:49 PM
Are we better with Kuper at RT and Olsen at RG or Polumbus at RT and Kuper at RG?

Bronco Yoda
12-08-2009, 05:52 PM
Howard Griffith. One of my ALL TIME favorites.

sixtimeseight
12-08-2009, 06:47 PM
That's partly the coaches fault. If you watched the Sunday night game between the Cards and the Vikings, they used a back ALL NIGHT LONG to chip block on Allen and they contained him very well and they ended up slaughtering the Vikings. We would just need to do the same thing when we face a top DE. Granted, Orton is no Kurt Warner but chip blocking will give Orton that second or 2 extra we might need.

Also, seeing Harris re-injure that toe could send a message to the Colts about Freeney. Rush him back too soon and he could be lost for the playoffs.

Hate to break this to you bro, but you don't know more about football than McD and the rest of the coaching staff. It's pretty obvious you think you do based on this thread and the Hillis thread. Newsflash: if you were some sort of football genius, you'd be a football coach making money, not some broke middle-aged fatass sitting on his couch posting on message boards.

broncogary
12-08-2009, 06:59 PM
Hate to break this to you bro, but you don't know more about football than McD and the rest of the coaching staff. It's pretty obvious you think you do based on this thread and the Hillis thread. Newsflash: if you were some sort of football genius, you'd be a football coach making money, not some broke middle-aged fatass sitting on his couch posting on message boards.

Hey, he's only 40. That's not middle-aged.

And I thought he made a good post. That's what we do here-talk about football.

mhgaffney
12-08-2009, 07:12 PM
Was that the great playoff win -- when the jets played Denver tough in the first half?

Then Elway -- in the 3rd quarter -- backed up in Denver territory -- busted the game open with a long pass to -- who was it?

Wow. What a game.

broncosteven
12-08-2009, 07:13 PM
Are we better with Kuper at RT and Olsen at RG or Polumbus at RT and Kuper at RG?

If Hamilton didn't lose his job and we had depth at guard and Kuper played Tackle before I could kinda see this logic but Hamilton is terrible and putting him on the field at RG in order to move Kuper to RT makes no sense.

I say let the chips fall where they may with the current line. We need to draft a Center at the minimum next year, Khan has said some good things about Olsen but does not appear to want to perform sodomy with Olsen, at the present time.

P.S. the sodomy thing is an inside joke with Kahn and I...

broncogary
12-08-2009, 07:19 PM
If Hamilton didn't lose his job and we had depth at guard and Kuper played Tackle before I could kinda see this logic but Hamilton is terrible and putting him on the field at RG in order to move Kuper to RT makes no sense.

I say let the chips fall where they may with the current line. We need to draft a Center at the minimum next year, Khan has said some good things about Olsen but does not appear to want to perform sodomy with Olsen, at the present time.

P.S. the sodomy thing is an inside joke with Kahn and I...

A shared hobby? :rofl:

BroncoLifer
12-08-2009, 07:25 PM
:( Makes me miss Nails and Griffith too.

How about the guy who took the snap?

broncosteven
12-08-2009, 07:25 PM
A shared hobby? :rofl:

Gene told me the mancrush has to remain platonic.

broncosteven
12-08-2009, 07:26 PM
how about the guy who took the snap?

sob?

LOL

PRBronco
12-08-2009, 07:28 PM
How about the guy who took the snap?

Doesn't look familiar :angel:

Kaylore
12-08-2009, 07:31 PM
I've given Polumbus crap for his earlier struggles, but he's been decent for a RT of late. Hopefully we can limp our way through the rest of the season. As long as Clady and Kuper are still anchoring this line, we'll be fine.

spdirty
12-08-2009, 07:45 PM
Well this sucks.


I blame McDaniels, Orton and Moreno.

You have to also throw in the gutless drunk, Joe Elliis, Lonnie Paxton, and Brian Griese.

KevinJames
12-08-2009, 09:06 PM
seems like we have been running better with Polumbus in the line up tho our pass protection has taken a significant hit

Beantown Bronco
12-08-2009, 09:17 PM
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ZONA
12-08-2009, 09:25 PM
Hate to break this to you bro, but you don't know more about football than McD and the rest of the coaching staff. It's pretty obvious you think you do based on this thread and the Hillis thread. Newsflash: if you were some sort of football genius, you'd be a football coach making money, not some broke middle-aged fatass sitting on his couch posting on message boards.

Put down the bottle there punk boy. All I did was say it's wise to chip block on better DE's. That's hardly being a football genius. And I probably look better at 40 then you do at whatever age you are. I work out 5 times a week and you probably are some short fat bastard trying to be all internet tough. And broke? I don't have a job right now but my $300K house has only 5 years left on the mortgage and I have just under $100K in my 401K so once again, you got it wrong. So go finish yanking yourself to your favorite porn clip and let us talk football.

bpc
12-08-2009, 09:52 PM
Harris being labeled "injury prone", especially over this, is about the most intellectually vacant **** I've ever seen.

Call it vacant. I think there is reason to be concerned.

He's missed the greater portions of 3 out of the last 4 years. He had back issues at ND, his rookie year, and now this injury.

broncocalijohn
12-08-2009, 09:59 PM
Well that sucks. Our season may as well be over. The only thing that can salvage it is Peyton Hillis, to be honest.

So who gave you rep first, Rasta or Draglady69? Here is a thought. Put Hillis in Harris spot. Now that is the idea we have been waiting for.

broncocalijohn
12-08-2009, 10:00 PM
Put down the bottle there punk boy. All I did was say it's wise to chip block on better DE's. That's hardly being a football genius. And I probably look better at 40 then you do at whatever age you are. I work out 5 times a week and you probably are some short fat bastard trying to be all internet tough. And broke? I don't have a job right now but my $300K house has only 5 years left on the mortgage and I have just under $100K in my 401K so once again, you got it wrong. So go finish yanking yourself to your favorite porn clip and let us talk football.

If Broncofan7 was unbanned, he would say, "YOU FAIL AT LIFE!" He is just sayin'.

Durango
12-08-2009, 10:04 PM
I think the recurring injuries are cause for concern as well. Didn't Harris come into the league with nagging back problems, then his knee or ankle this summer and now the toe.

I've read here entire threads blasting the 'poor play' of Tyler Polumbus, but everytime I've watched the guy, he has looked very good, especially in the run game. Then again, some of you folks here sit on couches with charts or something and watch every movement, so my casual observations are probably not nearly the depth of the 'true' fan.

SouthStndJunkie
12-08-2009, 10:08 PM
The team will be better off in the future with the experience that Polumbus is getting this year.

The only way to get these young guys real experience is game action....and Polumbus is getting plenty of it this year.

kappys
12-08-2009, 10:27 PM
I think the recurring injuries are cause for concern as well. Didn't Harris come into the league with nagging back problems, then his knee or ankle this summer and now the toe.

I've read here entire threads blasting the 'poor play' of Tyler Polumbus, but everytime I've watched the guy, he has looked very good, especially in the run game. Then again, some of you folks here sit on couches with charts or something and watch every movement, so my casual observations are probably not nearly the depth of the 'true' fan.

Tyler is solid but not at the level of Ryan Harris. I do think that he is at the level of some of the more mediocre starting tackles in the league however, which makes him an extremely valuable asset as a backup.

strafen
12-08-2009, 10:34 PM
per denver post

I've heard it on the radio today...
That's a bummer.
Whoever is going to be at RT has 4 games left to get it down pat.
We should be fine, I think...

Hulamau
12-08-2009, 10:36 PM
Polumbus seems to be getting better and it would be great to have a guy that could really challenge Harris for the job, just for solid depth,. Hopefully Polumbus is starting to really gel with the first unit now and will prove to be just that in the coming games.

Losing Harris is a blow though against teams like the Colts with two tough pass rushers. Orton can win with protection but is not mobile enough if and when things really break down.

Of course, popping off 200 + yards a game on the ground is the best cure for an over eager pass rush and a backup lineman ... so carry on :-)

Florida_Bronco
12-08-2009, 11:06 PM
Call it vacant. I think there is reason to be concerned.

He's missed the greater portions of 3 out of the last 4 years. He had back issues at ND, his rookie year, and now this injury.

Are the injuries related? No.

Are any of the injuries recurring? No.

With that in mind, explain why you feel there is a reason for concern.

Florida_Bronco
12-08-2009, 11:07 PM
Polumbus seems to be getting better and it would be great to have a guy that could really challenge Harris for the job, just for solid depth,. Hopefully Polumbus is starting to really gel with the first unit now and will prove to be just that in the coming games.

Losing Harris is a blow though against teams like the Colts with two tough pass rushers. Orton can win with protection but is not mobile enough if and when things really break down.

Of course, popping off 200 + yards a game on the ground is the best cure for an over eager pass rush and a backup lineman ... so carry on :-)

Both Freeney and Mathias are banged up, and Mathias may not play at all. I think our O-line will be just fine.

Popps
12-08-2009, 11:10 PM
Are the injuries related? No.

Are any of the injuries recurring? No.

With that in mind, explain why you feel there is a reason for concern.

I'm not sure injuries have to be related for a guy to be injury prone, for what it's worth.

I'm not saying he is, and perhaps it's all bad luck, but it's worth keeping an eye on.

We should continue to build the lines, anyway. Hopefully he comes back strong next season. I hope we didn't try to rush him back. It sure didn't seem like we did. Seemed like he was out forever.

Florida_Bronco
12-08-2009, 11:16 PM
I'm not sure injuries have to be related for a guy to be injury prone, for what it's worth. Probably not, but I sure wouldn't throw around the injury prone label for a guy who has basically had two separate and unrelated injuries in the past 4 years.

But then again, I hate the term "injury prone". I think it's a very generic cliche that is misused more often than not.

Durango
12-08-2009, 11:21 PM
I remember an O-lineman, Jim Juriga, we had years ago who was so very talented that he looked every bit the anchor LT this team tried so often and failed to find in the Dan Reeves era, but the guy couldn't buy a break. If it wasn't his back, it was his knee, or ankle or neck and finally the back again that did him in.

No, it's not really fair to throw around the injury prone label, but it does seem like a cycle the short-lived guys go through with injuries that eventually add up to a short career.

snowspot66
12-08-2009, 11:48 PM
Call it vacant. I think there is reason to be concerned.

He's missed the greater portions of 3 out of the last 4 years. He had back issues at ND, his rookie year, and now this injury.

I believe the back issue at ND was the same as his rookie year. It wasn't multiple injuries it was just one long problem.

Now the toe.

That's it.

Broncos_OTM
12-09-2009, 02:09 AM
Are the injuries related? No.

Are any of the injuries recurring? No.

With that in mind, explain why you feel there is a reason for concern.
injury prone doesnt always mean the same injury to the same place. He gets injured alot. When he came out of college he was known to be injured alot. The main Concern is he is injured regularly.
Anyhow you spin it how you want.

Ray Finkle
12-09-2009, 03:56 AM
I remember Wabbit saying last year that Harris barely beat out Polumbus for the RT and the team was high on him....I haven't seen that great a drop off...

fontaine
12-09-2009, 04:34 AM
Polumbus is ok. Not great, not the worst. He just doesn't get enough knee bend to take on the speed rushers correctly and if he's asked to run block in space he just falls over instead of sealing out his man.

Other than that, he'll be fine.

cutthemdown
12-09-2009, 04:36 AM
Bummer. Polumbus will have to step up.

dbfan21
12-09-2009, 05:25 AM
When Harris goes on IR, I wonder who we sign to take that roster spot.

cutthemdown
12-09-2009, 05:31 AM
When Harris goes on IR, I wonder who we sign to take that roster spot.

hmmm maybe someone from practice squad?

dbfan21
12-09-2009, 06:07 AM
hmmm maybe someone from practice squad?

Maybe. The only o-lineman we have on the PS is Mitch Erickson, who's listed as a Guard. Anyone have any insight/thoughts?